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Title: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: endicom on June 20, 2018, 09:59:35 pm
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Sam McEachern
June 20, 2018

J.D. Power has released its Initial Quality Study for 2018.  The annually conducted study examines problems experienced by original vehicle owners during the first 90 days of ownership, J.D. Power says. The ‘initial quality’ is determined by recording the number of problems a certain model experiences per 100 vehicles (PP100). The lower score, the higher the vehicle’s initial quality is.

While not an indicator of long-term reliability, a vehicle’s initial quality is a good measure of how many small issues and problems it may experience over its lifetime. It’s worth noting that J.D. Power’s study takes into account tech-related issues, which account for many of the vehicle’s problems in the first 90 days of ownership. Problems related to infotainment systems were down in frequency compared to last year, although active safety systems, which are becoming increasingly popular in new vehicles, still proved to be a bit finicky on many new vehicles.

More... https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/06/top-10-best-car-brands-in-initial-quality-for-2018.html (https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/06/top-10-best-car-brands-in-initial-quality-for-2018.html)
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: goodwithagun on June 20, 2018, 10:13:35 pm
Hmm. I’ve been looking at Rovers. This news is not settling.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 20, 2018, 10:29:52 pm
Hmm. I’ve been looking at Rovers. This news is not settling.


I've owned/own many Rovers. Some are great, some are shit. Whatever you do never ever ever buy a Disco II. LR2/LR3/LR4 are pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: endicom on June 20, 2018, 10:30:41 pm
Hmm. I’ve been looking at Rovers. This news is not settling.


I don't think they've ever had a good reputation for reliability.

That said, J. D. Power scores everything from the engine to the radio. Petty problems are annoyances while losing the transmission will leave me stranded.

 
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 20, 2018, 11:04:34 pm

I don't think they've ever had a good reputation for reliability.

That said, J. D. Power scores everything from the engine to the radio. Petty problems are annoyances while losing the transmission will leave me stranded.

JD Powers charges to have their name used by companies who get their award. Couple that with the fact that these issues they cite are in the first 90 days of ownership and the whole thing is about as worthless as Motor Trend Car of the Year, which is openly purchased by the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 20, 2018, 11:10:31 pm
JD Powers charges to have their name used by companies who get their award. Couple that with the fact that these issues they cite are in the first 90 days of ownership and the whole thing is about as worthless as Motor Trend Car of the Year, which is openly purchased by the highest bidder.

Yes!   Nailed it.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 20, 2018, 11:12:06 pm
I've never heard of a Genesis before.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 20, 2018, 11:13:35 pm
I've never heard of a Genesis before.

As Frank will tell you.  It is a POS.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: driftdiver on June 20, 2018, 11:15:53 pm
As Frank will tell you.  It is a POS.

Worked for Capt kirk
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 20, 2018, 11:22:21 pm
As Frank will tell you.  It is a POS.

I looked one up on Auto Trader.  I was not impressed with the pictures.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 20, 2018, 11:24:18 pm
I looked one up on Auto Trader.  I was not impressed with the pictures.

It was a Korean idea that sounded good but they failed at the execution.  You can pick them up for a song.  But why would you.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 20, 2018, 11:29:45 pm
It was a Korean idea that sounded good but they failed at the execution.  You can pick them up for a song.  But why would you.

The ones on Auto Trader were, for the most part, not cheap.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: endicom on June 20, 2018, 11:30:23 pm
I've never heard of a Genesis before.


Word.

Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 20, 2018, 11:33:37 pm
The ones on Auto Trader were, for the most part, not cheap.

Asking and getting are two different things in the car world.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Oceander on June 20, 2018, 11:34:55 pm
I've never heard of a Genesis before.

It’s Hyundai’s new upscale brand. 
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 20, 2018, 11:35:18 pm
I looked one up on Auto Trader.  I was not impressed with the pictures.

It a luxury car from people who think vomit is good to eat. That is all you need to know.

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/5fd540b8-ce65-447d-b218-421553b322cf_1.c547102c0c4772739c41788cb48e091f.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 20, 2018, 11:35:55 pm
It’s Hyundai’s new upscale brand.

It's not a brand. It's a model.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 20, 2018, 11:40:56 pm
It's not a brand. It's a model.

Hubris, arrogance and serial incompetence have defined the Hyundai modus operandi for so long that I’ve lost track. They operate in this vacuous netherworld of two steps forward and five back, and yet they insist on singing the “we got it goin’ on” song to themselves in a aria that is relentlessly off-key and stale. That Hyundai operatives have blown the launch and now re-launch of the Genesis brand was surprising only in its scope and its rapid descent into mediocrity.

I am reminded of those ominous words of narration by Joe Pesci’s character – Nicky Santoro – in “Casino.” I’m paraphrasing him here, but I can imagine Hyundai operatives sitting around a conference room table right now saying, reluctantly: “We bleep it all up.”

=Peter M. DeLorenzo
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: truth_seeker on June 21, 2018, 12:02:15 am
It’s Hyundai’s new upscale brand.
Correct. There appears to be more than just one model for Genesis.

As I understand it, Genesis is to be to Hyundai, as Lexus is to Toyota, Infiniti is to Nissan, and Acura is to Honda.

Remember Edsels, Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles, Mercuries,
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 21, 2018, 12:08:00 am
It's not a brand. It's a model.

The posted article calls it a "sub-brand".
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Silver Pines on June 25, 2018, 06:08:09 pm
Where is Honda??
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: cato potatoe on June 29, 2018, 07:59:23 am
OK, I actually drove a Genesis G90.  Exterior is bland, but it's a nice car for old people (i.e. people who can afford nice things).  What's the problem with this company?  Bad marketing?
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 30, 2018, 02:13:52 am
The posted article calls it a "sub-brand".

For never trumpers. 
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 30, 2018, 02:17:37 am
For never trumpers.

Not sure what that means.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 30, 2018, 02:25:12 am
Not sure what that means.

Never trumpers are a sun brand. 
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 30, 2018, 02:28:07 am
Never trumpers are a sun brand.
They sure get a lot of attention for being a sub brand.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 30, 2018, 02:28:59 am
They sure get a lot of attention for being a sub brand.

All safety recalls do.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 30, 2018, 04:54:38 am
They sure get a lot of attention for being a sub brand.

It's because of the lack of deodorant.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: RoosGirl on June 30, 2018, 04:57:20 am
It's because of the lack of deodorant.

Finally someone is making some sense.
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 30, 2018, 10:52:31 pm
It's because of the lack of deodorant.

When they took Aluminum out of deodorant everything when to hell....
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 30, 2018, 11:40:15 pm
When they took Aluminum out of deodorant everything when to hell....

I thought it was antiperspirant that had Aluminum?
Title: Re: Top 10 Best Car Brands in Initial Quality for 2018
Post by: WingNot on June 30, 2018, 11:43:21 pm
I thought it was antiperspirant that had Aluminum?

Okay Okay....Rub it in..  :)   Tit was