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Title: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2017, 03:30:24 pm

Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan

By Cristiano Lima

03/26/17 11:09 AM EDT


Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he planned to introduce a single-payer health care plan to Congress, inviting Republican leaders to negotiate the measure.

“I'm going to introduce a Medicare-for-all single-payer program," Sanders told anchor Dana Bash on CNN's "State of the Union." The Vermont senator, who has repeatedly stated his support for such a plan in the past, said he hoped to garner bipartisan support for the plan.

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Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2017, 03:38:00 pm
Ronald Reagan once said something to the effect that Liberals measure success in the number of people that require welfare. Conservatives measure success by the number of people that can get off welfare.

I know Sanders is economically  illiterate , but can he explain how a program that's facing insolvency  will somehow be made solvent by enrolling even more people on it?
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: andy58-in-nh on March 26, 2017, 03:42:00 pm
Here it comes...
It's coming soon our way,
It's the socialist health plan
Promised to save the day...

Hey, hey we're The Junkies,
Addicted to the state just like crack
But we're too busy texting,
To try and take our country back....

(Apologies to Michael Nesmith)
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
The chances of this nonsense passing is 0%. Crazy Bernie is just trying to be relevant
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 26, 2017, 05:04:51 pm
I know Sanders is economically  illiterate , but can he explain how a program that's facing insolvency  will somehow be made solvent by enrolling even more people on it?

Well, wouldn't enrolling more healthy people in Medicare water down the percentage of geezers who require more health care?  Theoretically, enrolling non-elderly people should help it become more solvent.

I thin the real problem is that Medicare only manages to stagger along because its reimbursement rates are so low.  The limited number of physicians who do participate in it generally can afford to do so only because they take other outside patients who pay normal rates.  And I think that's the point where expansion fails -- the cost savings that exist from lower reimbursement rates cannot be expanded to significantly more people, because there aren't enough doctors willing to work at those rates.
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: Fishrrman on March 26, 2017, 11:33:30 pm
"Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he planned to introduce a single-payer health care plan to Congress, inviting Republican leaders to negotiate the measure."

Gee, Bernie, if you're so up for single-payer, why not try it up in your own state of Vermont, to show the rest of us how well it works?

Oops, they did -- and it didn't work.
Never got out of the starting gate.
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 26, 2017, 11:42:20 pm
Well, wouldn't enrolling more healthy people in Medicare water down the percentage of geezers who require more health care?  Theoretically, enrolling non-elderly people should help it become more solvent.
No.

Medicare isn't paid for by the geezers. Medicare is paid for just like social security: money is taken from the young to pay for the old. Three percent of the FICA taxes goes to Medicare.

So, if EVERYONE is forced into single-payer Medicare (a proposal so radical only Canada has dared try it), you now have, instead of the young paying for the old, the young paying for both the old AND the rest of the young, and like most other countries with universal health care schemes, that tax would have to go from 3% to somewhere around 30%.

Hence why Sanders also pushes for upping the minimum wage so that the tax hike doesn't get noticed... except, of course, for the increases in automation.
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: Hoodat on March 26, 2017, 11:43:23 pm
Where will rich Canadians now go for healthcare?
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: skeeter on March 27, 2017, 12:45:27 am
Whatta crank. In another time Sanders would be good for nothing but comic relief.

Now he and a few like minded weirdos lead the democrat party
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: libertybele on March 27, 2017, 02:27:15 pm
No.

Medicare isn't paid for by the geezers. Medicare is paid for just like social security: money is taken from the young to pay for the old. Three percent of the FICA taxes goes to Medicare.

So, if EVERYONE is forced into single-payer Medicare (a proposal so radical only Canada has dared try it), you now have, instead of the young paying for the old, the young paying for both the old AND the rest of the young, and like most other countries with universal health care schemes, that tax would have to go from 3% to somewhere around 30%.

Hence why Sanders also pushes for upping the minimum wage so that the tax hike doesn't get noticed... except, of course, for the increases in automation.

Medicare isn't paid for by the geezers?  Really?  What about those that have paid into Medicare their entire working lives? Once you turn 65 years of age you really have no choice; Medicare becomes your primary insurance and your private health insurance becomes your secondary insurance. 
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: Suppressed on March 27, 2017, 02:48:16 pm
The chances of this nonsense passing is 0%. Crazy Bernie is just trying to be relevant

The millennials love him.  He's just boosting support.
Title: Re: Sanders to offer single-payer health care plan
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2017, 03:11:01 pm
Here lies the reason for demonizing Conservatives.
Here lies the way forward when Trump turns to the Dems to 'fix' health care.
Here it comes.