Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
And you think that some guy spouting contradictory words is going to save you.
Let me ask this. Did you vote for Romney? Support Bhoner/Mitch/Lesser evil candidates in the past like you're doing here? Because those people that did are the primary reason that ilegals damn near killed your family. It's those people that kicked the can because standing on principles like having a border was something for next time.
The OP's real world experience is like the story "a conservative, is a liberal that has been mugged."
I know Romney was the first one I did not hold my nose for. Happy to make trump #Number_Two.
I know Romney was the first one I did not hold my nose for. Happy to make trump #Number_Two.We collectively made this mess and it's time to pay the piper. Fortunately some of us woke up to the reality and stopped playing the game.
[...] trump #Number_Two.
Because Hitlery will be so much better. Psychotic Hate-filled Socialist kook vs loud businessman of dubious ethics, yeah, that's a real toss up.
And you think that some guy spouting contradictory words is going to save you.
Let me ask this. Did you vote for Romney? Support Bhoner/Mitch/Lesser evil candidates in the past like you're doing here? Because those people that did are the primary reason that ilegals damn near killed your family. It's those people that kicked the can because standing on principles like having a border was something for next time.
Just sayin.
Psychotic Hate-filled Socialist kook vs loud businessman of dubious ethics, yeah, that's a real toss up.
LOL! Took the words right out of my keyboard.My daughter was hit by an apparent illegal, years ago. She was very shaken and her car was totaled.
Because Hitlery will be so much better. Psychotic Hate-filled Socialist kook vs loud businessman of dubious ethics, yeah, that's a real toss up.
My daughter was hit by an apparent illegal, years ago.
The #nevertrumps are comprised of a variety of types, some being supporters of unrestricted immigration; others simply OCD with too much spare time, and not enough common sense.
Same coin.. maybe not even different sides.
I go with Hamilton on this one... "If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures."
Congress can hold the line..if trump does not destroy the center. The 2018 will be epic. Setting the stage for clear vision in 2020...I hope.
trump is not Trustworthy.
If you want to start throwing around generalizations, I have a few about Trump supporters that I've been holding back.... :nono:
If you want to start throwing around generalizations, I have a few about Trump supporters that I've been holding back.... :nono:
The #nevertrumps are comprised of a variety of types, some being supporters of unrestricted immigration; others simply OCD with too much spare time, and not enough common sense.
Well you could just vote for a conservative like the rest of us instead of continuing the liberal march of the 'right'.
The issue you describe needs to be dealt with appropriately. Dastardly Donald is not the answer.
The first order of business is ensuring our continuing survival. Allowing Hitlery to win will bring down the terror upon us.
I think living outside of the confines of a Gulag is a pretty appealing argument.
And you think that some guy spouting contradictory words is going to save you.
Let me ask this. Did you vote for Romney? Support Bhoner/Mitch/Lesser evil candidates in the past like you're doing here? Because those people that did are the primary reason that ilegals damn near killed your family. It's those people that kicked the can because standing on principles like having a border was something for next time.
Same coin.. maybe not even different sides.
I go with Hamilton on this one... "If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures."
Congress can hold the line..if trump does not destroy the center. The 2018 will be epic. Setting the stage for clear vision in 2020...I hope.
trump is not Trustworthy.
Cmon Norm, what were the options last time?
Politics is the art of compromise. EVERY election is a compromise in some way. Its the utopian fantasy of a perfect conservative that is leading to our destruction. Its what has led us to having the choice between tweeedle dee and tweedle dummer. Both corrupt and evil.
You must think surviving a Hitlery is an option. Just imagine how much hatred Obama feels towards you. Now square it, and you get an idea of what a Hitlery is.
Hillary has committed dozens of illegal acts as first lady, more as Senator, and more still as Secretary of state.
All of you people need to read up on just how much of a lying evil witch-b*tch is Hillary. You cannot imagine what sort of sh*t storm that hate-filled evil harpy will unleash on us.
Read up on Hillary. Just do it. You people need to understand that this one is different. She is vile on a level that is beyond the comprehension of most.
All of you people need to read up on just how much of a lying evil witch-b*tch is Hillary. You cannot imagine what sort of sh*t storm that hate-filled evil harpy will unleash on us.
Read up on Hillary. Just do it. You people need to understand that this one is different. She is vile on a level that is beyond the comprehension of most.
If you want to start throwing around generalizations, I have a few about Trump supporters that I've been holding back.... :nono:
DO YOU THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS?
Last time Obama was gonna bring down the terror. The time before that Obama was gonna bring down the terror.
Last election was the most important ever in the history of ever. The one before was also the most important ever in the history of ever.
So when is standing up like a man good for you?
Come on Drift. You know you had more than one choice on your ballot. You could have chosen not to empower the very GOP that has given Obama the stoor. The very GOP that took the so called mandate and did exactly the opposite. The compromise of basic principles every election got us here. No one here or anywhere asks for perfection. But if you are intent on electing a lifetime liberal to combat another lifetime liberal then please, do your country a service by not voting at all.
We have already heard yours ad infinitum. These threads often look like creative writing contests, in search of the prize for the ultimate put down.
But if you have some new material you want published, have at it.
DO YOU THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS?
Words on a screen. Blah and meh.
We HAD more than one choice but we've allowed ourselves to be painted into a corner. Now there are only bad choices.
You speak as if Democracy can be reasoned with or something. How did we allow ourselves to be painted into a corner?
We were in a corner when we started. The very system has become rigged against rationality or sanity.
I think you obviously do not have the slightest F***ing clue, or you would not be suggesting Trump is just as bad.
No, Trump is not as bad. Trump is not even in the same class as bad. Trump would have to take up baby butchering and Satanic worship just to approach the league of evil in which Hillary currently exists.
No, I do not think you know what she is.
Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
You speak as if Democracy can be reasoned with or something. How did we allow ourselves to be painted into a corner?
We were in a corner when we started. The very system has become rigged against rationality or sanity.
What democracy are you referring to?
I think you obviously do not have the slightest clue, or you would not be suggesting Trump is just as bad.
No, Trump is not as bad. Trump is not even in the same class as bad. Trump would have to take up baby butchering and Satanic worship just to approach the league of evil in which Hillary currently exists.
No, I do not think you know what she is.
Thank you so much for confirming my opinion of Trump supporters.
This Diogenes dude is a real piece of work.
I don't expect him to last here very long.
It's the same mentality that destroyed the political right overall. Elect the liberal running under the GOP banner no matter what and lie about it being the only option we have.
What it is, is a self fulfilling prophecy that does not broke heretics to the belief.
What democracy are you referring to?
The one he thinks he lives in I guess. It's always entertaining how the zealot types that are gonna save America through liberal voting don't realize or know enough about Civics to understand America isn't and never was a democracy.
So, you are in a de facto sanctuary city?
You can be as heretical as you like. I just interpret it as someone who lacks the requisite reasoning skills.
I am not a pragmatist and I detest pragmatism, but this is an example of where people want to stand on the wrong principles. Trying to make certain my children can survive in the future is a pretty important principle to me.
If you are not afraid of Hillary, then you haven't been paying attention.
Then oh wise one, explain to us all the difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
Tell us how we are still a Republic.
Simple. Until someone officially changes the Constitution, we are in a Republic.
Some people refuse to act like it, but then again, thats why we are in this mess. They believe things that just arent so.
This is one disgusting thread. ...........Some of you are doing exactly what you came over here complaining about how it was being done to you over at TOS.
Please don't bring this forum down to the level of TOS. Thank you.
This is one disgusting thread. Some of you brought TOS with you. Telling members here they are plants. Using shortened profanity and insults to make a point. And some who aren't recently welcomed transplants letting everyone know that those who are willing to cast a vote for Trump won't last long here? This was a really decent forum for several years. There are those who are never going to vote for Trump; those who gladly support him, and those who will vote for him because they feel Hillary is worth defeating. You all have your points to make. But get over it! Arguments based on insults, stupid names and crude comparisons are not intellectual arguments. Some of you are doing exactly what you came over here complaining about how it was being done to you over at TOS.
Please don't bring this forum down to the level of TOS. Thank you.
Nope, and not where the grandkids are either.
The vermin are spread everywhere/
I am not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I got suspended at Free Republic for being a Cruz supporter.
I think you are engaging in confirmation bias.
If I have a person that’s not going to support me, I have no obligation. Politically, I may be right, I may be wrong, but that’s who I am. I’m a very honest person. If somebody is going to say a little bit negative or a lot negative about me, and if they happen to be a Republican, I may choose to hit them back. Not always, but I may choose to hit them back.
Oh my, Norm. Surely not the Trump defense. :shrug:
This is one disgusting thread. Some of you brought TOS with you. Telling members here they are plants. Using shortened profanity and insults to make a point. And some who aren't recently welcomed transplants letting everyone know that those who are willing to cast a vote for Trump won't last long here? This was a really decent forum for several years. There are those who are never going to vote for Trump; those who gladly support him, and those who will vote for him because they feel Hillary is worth defeating. You all have your points to make. But get over it! Arguments based on insults, stupid names and crude comparisons are not intellectual arguments. Some of you are doing exactly what you came over here complaining about how it was being done to you over at TOS.
Please don't bring this forum down to the level of TOS. Thank you.
Excellent commentary MAC. With the wave of new members, I suppose some blending of cultures is inevitable. But those negative behaviors you mention should not welcome to any of us. We "long-timers" too can bicker, and we have done more than our share in recent times. I think it is fair to say that has been disappointing. But, the intellect and knowledge arriving here recently is impressive. Surely there is no need to resort to pettiness, name-calling or ad hominem insults. The quality of the discourse should go up - for the benefit of us all.
At least, I would hope.
I think the vast majority of us newnz would vastly prefer to argue facts. But here, as on FR, some people simply refuse to do that. The simplest way to avoid it is of course, to argue facts. The problem is that the facts do not support the pro trump position. The FR scream squad went down the path of calling us everything but white men over there. So we are pretty attuned when the very same pattern emerges wharever we go. We are simply used to it.
So in sum, we will be happy to argue based on fact. And when the poo gets flung, we'll go down that road as well. Not by choice, but we arent going to stand there and let a handful of people and their leftist crap do to us here what they did there whether the same people are involved or not.
Excellent commentary MAC. With the wave of new members, I suppose some blending of cultures is inevitable. But those negative behaviors you mention should not welcome to any of us. We "long-timers" too can bicker, and we have done more than our share in recent times. I think it is fair to say that has been disappointing. But, the intellect and knowledge arriving here recently is impressive. Surely there is no need to resort to pettiness, name-calling or ad hominem insults. The quality of the discourse should go up - for the benefit of us all.
At least, I would hope.
Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
Well you could just vote for a conservative like the rest of us instead of continuing the liberal march of the 'right'.
Don't let anyone dissuade you. I'm not a Trump fan, but I'm not really an anyone fan, and stories like this may help me make up my mind before election.
Who you vote for is your business and your's alone.
Hopefully you got his plates?
Who would that be?
This is one disgusting thread. Some of you brought TOS with you. Telling members here they are plants. Using shortened profanity and insults to make a point. And some who aren't recently welcomed transplants letting everyone know that those who are willing to cast a vote for Trump won't last long here? This was a really decent forum for several years. There are those who are never going to vote for Trump; those who gladly support him, and those who will vote for him because they feel Hillary is worth defeating. You all have your points to make. But get over it! Arguments based on insults, stupid names and crude comparisons are not intellectual arguments. Some of you are doing exactly what you came over here complaining about how it was being done to you over at TOS.
Please don't bring this forum down to the level of TOS. Thank you.
Pick anyone on the ballot not named Donald Trump and these's better than even odds that that person is more conservative. Then vote for them.
Easy/peasy.
Love ya' Norm but this is not a courageous answer IMO. I want specifics.
Not my yob mang. You have access to the same internet I do. Use it, research and discover who lines up with your vision for America.
If you want someone to tell you who you should vote for rather than discovering who you should vote for through research, just vote for Donald as so many tell you and be done with it. Personally I have more self worth than going down that road but to each their own.
All of you people need to read up on just how much of a lying evil witch-b*tch is Hillary. You cannot imagine what sort of sh*t storm that hate-filled evil harpy will unleash on us.
Then bring it, I say - Better now than upon my children or grandchildren.
I am genuinely pleading ignorance to any conservatives running. I literally know of none. Gary Johnson might come closest, is that who you're talking about?I'm not talking about anyone in particular actually. I'm just saying the same thing I have said for years now.
I would vote for this French guy I guess. The border is an important topic to me, very important. I will have to see how he stands there.
Her Supreme Court picks could last that long...
Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
And Donald said everything is negotiable.
This site us getting as bad as TOS I abandoned months ago.
People - stand on principle of ideas. Do not become JR.
Was taking my grandkids out over the weekend when I get sideswiped by another car.
When we exchanged information, I asked for his driver's license. He did not have one, only a Mexican ID, which I have no idea is a real license or not.
The policeman on the scene simply shrugged his shoulders and said 'Just report it to the insurance company, as the police will not do anything about it'.
I do not know if the Donald will come through if elected with his promises, but I sure as hell need SOMEONE to stand up and tell these people to go back to where they came from. This illegal(I guess) almost took away the most precious things in the world to me.
Yeah, so with Trump it's unknown, with Hillary it's not. We know what we'll get and that it'll be terrible.
Yeah, so with Trump it's unknown, with Hillary it's not. We know what we'll get and that it'll be terrible.
Are you advocating that people vote for Mr. Trump? If so, then you are, ipso facto, a supporter of Donald Trump.
If you are not so advocating, then I apologize for lumping you in with that lot.
So would you prefer the knife in your chest (Hillary) prefer playing Cesar to Donald's Brutus and wondering when the knife will strike, or not getting stabbed at all?
Hopeandchange wasn't a strategy for Obamazombies. We mocked the crap out of them for it. This is exactly the same. Do you really want to elect a guy like Trump? A guy with his history? Based on the 'logic' that we simply don't know what he'll do once elected?
Really?
Then lets just save the inevitable and call an end to what little remains of America right now.
Her Supreme Court picks could last that long...
I'm not sold on Trump, just open to him. Would you rather have a scratched losing lottery ticket or an unscratched one? ^-^
I realize that gambling is stupid but I'll go with the latter.
Not a valid argument, as there is no promise that his SCOTUS picks would be any better at all.
You make a good point.
If one is advocating voting for Trump (as this one is), and attempting to bully others into voting for Trump (as this one is) then one IS a supporter of Trump.
Period.
I am genuinely pleading ignorance to any conservatives running. I literally know of none. Gary Johnson might come closest, is that who you're talking about?
I would vote for this French guy I guess. The border is an important topic to me, very important. I will have to see how he stands there.
The lottery is a tax for people who are bad at math.
True, and I never go that way. Just saying that is how I see things. No I'm not a Trump supporter yet. Probably won't decide until November.
I suggest that you go to the website of the Secretary of State's office for your state. They usually have a list of parties that have qualified to be on the ballot in your state. From there, you can check out the websites of each party to read about the party's positions, and the candidate the party is putting forward.
In some states, like Texas, there will also be a list of approved write-in candidates, although depending on the deadline to submit signatures, that list might not be available yet.
Writing in a candidate is a ridiculous waste of time IMO, I'd rather sit at home than do that nonsense.
OK... what about the rest of it? Do you also consider it a waste of time to investigate parties other than the Big 2? If so, why pretend you might not vote for Mr. Trump?
But you know that Hillary's will be horrible.
I voted for President 3 times in my life once for Nader, once for Bob Barr in 2008, and once for Mitt Romney in 2012. So I have no problem voting 3rd party. Just want to know who is actually "conservative" based on the popular definition of it here. I haven't heard of any candidates.
I voted for President 3 times in my life once for Nader, once for Bob Barr in 2008, and once for Mitt Romney in 2012. So I have no problem voting 3rd party. Just want to know who is actually "conservative" based on the popular definition of it here. I haven't heard of any candidates.
Rather than depending on someone else's definitions, why not read the stated positions of the parties and candidates and make up your own mind which one best aligns with your own beliefs? That's how it's supposed to work in a representative republic.
I am genuinely pleading ignorance to any conservatives running. I literally know of none. Gary Johnson might come closest, is that who you're talking about?
I would vote for this French guy I guess. The border is an important topic to me, very important. I will have to see how he stands there.
Austin Peterson is running on the Constitution ticket.
See I did not know that, thought he was only libertarian. I took a test and my views came out closest to his, and I had no idea who he was. Ted Cruz was my #2 I think. Trump wasn't far behind.
Glad you made a useful reply.
Austin Peterson is running on the Constitution ticket.
What makes you think I don't do that?
??
We're crossed up some how.
Constitution Party is Darrell Castle/Scott Bradley
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Are y'all talking of another other 'Constitution ticket'?
... I was ready to type out a long detailed response, but what's the point. I think I'm done here. I could say why, but that would border on being more impolite than the keepers of the board want. So I won't say it.
Austin Peterson is running on the Constitution ticket.
Well fiddlysticks to you too sir. I now my bare my quivering ghost white buttcheeks in anticipation of our next meeting.
Don't let anyone dissuade you. I'm not a Trump fan, but I'm not really an anyone fan, and stories like this may help me make up my mind before election.
Who you vote for is your business and your's alone.
Hopefully you got his plates?
Wow. And, the police would do nothing?
This is one disgusting thread. Some of you brought TOS with you. Telling members here they are plants. Using shortened profanity and insults to make a point. And some who aren't recently welcomed transplants letting everyone know that those who are willing to cast a vote for Trump won't last long here? This was a really decent forum for several years. There are those who are never going to vote for Trump; those who gladly support him, and those who will vote for him because they feel Hillary is worth defeating. You all have your points to make. But get over it! Arguments based on insults, stupid names and crude comparisons are not intellectual arguments. Some of you are doing exactly what you came over here complaining about how it was being done to you over at TOS.
Please don't bring this forum down to the level of TOS. Thank you.
The issue you describe needs to be dealt with appropriately. Dastardly Donald is not the answer.
Well fiddlysticks to you too sir. I now my bare my quivering ghost white buttcheeks in anticipation of our next meeting.
Thanks for that note. I actually had one of those attacking me send me a note elsewhere to ask me why I pulled the thread.
I am a strong Cruz supporter but he will just not make it this time around. In meantime, I will look toward DT to solve the mess of an open border than encourages lawlessness. I have my doubts in whether he will, but it is certainly worth the try.
Austin Peterson is running on the Constitution ticket.
Yes I did. He seemed an ok fellow, but no one should be driving without a license. Wish I knew whether the Mexican ID he showed me qualified as a legitimate license, and whether Texas has a reciprocal agreement with Mexico re drivers.
The OP's real world experience is like the story "a conservative, is a liberal that has been mugged."
My daughter was hit by an apparent illegal, years ago. She was very shaken and her car was totaled.I was hit by an apparent illegal years ago too, he had fake ID with a bogus address, my Wife and small children were in the car, the apparent illegal was a drunk Irishman. No lie!
The cop on the scene was also a neighbor and running friend of mine. He actually went to the address the offender provided, when off duty.
The address was faked, as were probably the other identification documents. Licenses and other ID documents are very easy to come by, and employers do not scrutinize them much at all.
The #nevertrumps are comprised of a variety of types, some being supporters of unrestricted immigration; others simply OCD with too much spare time, and not enough common sense.
Matricula Consular's are NOT drivers licenses
My daughter was hit by an apparent illegal, years ago. She was very shaken and her car was totaled.
The cop on the scene was also a neighbor and running friend of mine. He actually went to the address the offender provided, when off duty.
The address was faked, as were probably the other identification documents. Licenses and other ID documents are very easy to come by, and employers do not scrutinize them much at all.
The #nevertrumps are comprised of a variety of types, some being supporters of unrestricted immigration; others simply OCD with too much spare time, and not enough common sense.
You are on the right track my friend. I also like Cruz as a Constitutionalist, and would support him as a
Supreme. Ask the plants if they support Cruz as a Supreme. They are strangely silent.
There seems to be more trolls than when I posted on a regular basis long before the election.
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Trump is a Clinton I don't think America will survive either one. You want someone to colloborate with the destruction of this country you find somebody else.
You must think surviving a Hitlery is an option. Just imagine how much hatred Obama feels towards you. Now square it, and you get an idea of what a Hitlery is.
Hillary has committed dozens of illegal acts as first lady, more as Senator, and more still as Secretary of state.
All of you people need to read up on just how much of a lying evil witch-b*tch is Hillary. You cannot imagine what sort of sh*t storm that hate-filled evil harpy will unleash on us.
Read up on Hillary. Just do it. You people need to understand that this one is different. She is vile on a level that is beyond the comprehension of most.
Trolls, plants? Lord, I hope we're not back to that one again. :laugh:
Trump is a Clinton I don't think America will survive either one. You want someone to colloborate with the destruction of this country you find somebody else.
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