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Title: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2021, 02:45:21 pm
Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars

The announcement came a day after the company appeared to accidentally reveal the rebranding of its name on its website before quickly removing the press release.
By
Joseph Guzman | March 30, 2021




Story at a glance

    The automaker officially announced on Tuesday it will change the name of its operations in the United States from Volkswagen of America to Voltswagen.
    “We might be changing out our K for a T, but what we aren’t changing is this brand’s commitment to making best-in-class vehicles for drivers and people everywhere,” Scott Keogh, president and CEO of Voltswagen of America, said in a statement.
    The company plans to rollout more than 70 electric vehicle models across its brands worldwide by 2029 with a goal of selling one million EVs by 2025.

Volkswagen is changing its brand name in the U.S. to “Voltswagen” as the car company makes its shift toward investments in electric vehicles.

The automaker officially announced on Tuesday it will change the name of its operations in the United States from Volkswagen of America to Voltswagen. The announcement came a day after the company appeared to accidentally reveal the rebranding of its name on its website before quickly removing the press release.

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https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/environment/545529-volkswagen-changing-its-name-to-voltswagen-as-it
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 30, 2021, 02:53:45 pm
That's hilarious. I had a Volkswagen GTI, brand new, that broke. VW was unable to fix it, and they ended up buying it back. I bought a Tesla with the money I got back. I named my Tesla "Voltwagen". I guess now I need another name.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 30, 2021, 11:16:11 pm
Ironic, coming from the company that cheated on diesel emissions.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 04:22:14 am
Ironic, coming from the company that cheated on diesel emissions.

I haven't looked into it, but I suspect they are in horrible shape financially. The experience I had with my GTI was unreal. I mean how can you ship cars that your dealers are unable to repair? The issue turned out to be a cable with some crappy connectors. Their engineering team apparently decided to replace the connectors, but they stopped making the old ones months before the new ones were due to be available. The service manager at the dealer told me that they told him privately it might be 4-5 months before they could even ship the part to repair my car.  They have a whole department just to deal with customer compensation of the diesel-gate thing.

And icing on the cake - their new electric cars are getting panned badly in reviews. The name change seems like an act of desperation.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 01:31:40 pm
I can't express how much I detest Envirowhackos. 

At least in my case, I will be driving a V8 truck the rest of my life, even if gas gets near outlawed, or if I have to pay $10/gallon.
Futhermore, the companies who hold out and keep a production line of gas/diesel vehicles will thrive.  There is going to be a mass disappointment when the faux shine of being an enviromental firendly (faux) EV owner turns into real life hassles, and repair sticker shocks.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: thackney on March 31, 2021, 02:27:17 pm
I can't express how much I detest Envirowhackos. 

At least in my case, I will be driving a V8 truck the rest of my life, even if gas gets near outlawed, or if I have to pay $10/gallon.
Futhermore, the companies who hold out and keep a production line of gas/diesel vehicles will thrive.  There is going to be a mass disappointment when the faux shine of being an enviromental firendly (faux) EV owner turns into real life hassles, and repair sticker shocks.

Similar with me but I won't rule out a good V6.  My wife's 3.5L twin turbo V6 truck has more torque of my 6.2L V8.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 02:30:10 pm
Similar with me but I won't rule out a good V6.  My wife's 3.5L twin turbo V6 truck has nearly twice the torque of my 6.2L V8.

Won't you miss the roar and snarl of a V8 while pressing the pedal?
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 02:40:18 pm
I can't express how much I detest Envirowhackos. 

At least in my case, I will be driving a V8 truck the rest of my life, even if gas gets near outlawed, or if I have to pay $10/gallon.
Futhermore, the companies who hold out and keep a production line of gas/diesel vehicles will thrive.  There is going to be a mass disappointment when the faux shine of being an enviromental firendly (faux) EV owner turns into real life hassles, and repair sticker shocks.

Lots of reasons to drive an EV for non enviro-whackos. I love my Tesla Model 3. It drives like a high end sports car - in fact it will beat most of those in 0-60MPH. I never have to stop at a gas station. Ever. Almost zero maintenance. When I'm stopped somewhere, waiting, I can watch movies on the screen in the car.

Would I own it as my only car? No way. We also have an SUV. But for a car to go back and forth to work everyday, it's ideal.

Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: thackney on March 31, 2021, 02:45:18 pm
Won't you miss the roar and snarl of a V8 while pressing the pedal?

My wife's leaps when I press the pedal flat starting from 60 mph to pass someone.  Mine winds up but nothing like hers.  I look forward to inheriting it in another year or so to make my daily driver.

I will keep my F250 for the larger towing capacity as an occasional farm truck, but her 9,000 lbs takes care of almost anything we typically do.

Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 02:53:39 pm
My wife's leaps when I press the pedal flat starting from 60 mph to pass someone.  Mine winds up but nothing like hers.  I look forward to inheriting it in another year or so to make my daily driver.

I will keep my F250 for the larger towing capacity as an occasional farm truck, but her 9,000 lbs takes care of almost anything we typically do.

When accelerating hard in my Tesla it makes a turbine-like whine (not as loud, but same sound) that is very satisfying. Now grant you - it's not nearly as satisfying as some ICE vehicles. I remember a Triumph 3-cylinder motorcycle that I rode once - amazing sound.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 31, 2021, 02:54:00 pm
What's the dollar cost of the kilowatt hours of electricity used to charge the car?
What's the trasmission cost of electricity used to charge the car, in dollars?
What % of generated electricity is lost during transmission?
What's the generation cost of electricity used to charge the car in dollars, BTU's/therms, carbon footprint, and greenhouse gasses?
How much will the US generation capacity need to be increaseed, and how much will need to be invested in trasmission and storage to meet the increased need?

The electricity needed to charge electric vehicles has a cost.  The EV-heads haven't been calculating nor measuring it.  EV's make them good, and that's all the proof they need.


Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: thackney on March 31, 2021, 02:55:43 pm
When accelerating hard in my Tesla it makes a turbine-like whine (not as loud, but same sound) that is very satisfying. Now grant you - it's not nearly as satisfying as some ICE vehicles. I remember a Triumph 3-cylinder motorcycle that I rode once - amazing sound.

For speed and torque, EV are impressive, for the first few hundred miles.  My needs are too often greater.  I know it works for others.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: Bigun on March 31, 2021, 02:59:47 pm
Lots of reasons to drive an EV for non enviro-whackos. I love my Tesla Model 3. It drives like a high end sports car - in fact it will beat most of those in 0-60MPH. I never have to stop at a gas station. Ever. Almost zero maintenance. When I'm stopped somewhere, waiting, I can watch movies on the screen in the car.

Would I own it as my only car? No way. We also have an SUV. But for a car to go back and forth to work everyday, it's ideal.

It's your $$ and you are entitled to spend it as you choose but you better have lost of it on hand when the battery pack in that thing goes kaput.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: thackney on March 31, 2021, 03:10:27 pm
What's the dollar cost of the kilowatt hours of electricity used to charge the car?

Typically between 8~18¢ depending on your state and including taxes.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/

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What's the trasmission cost of electricity used to charge the car, in dollars?

Included in the price above.  Nobody breaks it down for the retail level.

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What % of generated electricity is lost during transmission?

Typically 6% but varies by region.  It used to run 7~9% but has gotten better with more high voltage lines and higher efficiency transformers over the decades.

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/flow-graphs/electricity.php

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What's the generation cost of electricity used to charge the car in dollars, BTU's/therms, carbon footprint, and greenhouse gasses?

Generation cost is also included above and not broken down at the retail level.  BTU's/therm?  That ratio is energy over energy?  Carbon and greenhouse are enviroweenies concerns but gasoline/diesel are not any better.

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How much will the US generation capacity need to be increaseed, and how much will need to be invested in trasmission and storage to meet the increased need?

This is more complicate.  When you consider most charging would happen at night, very little needs to grow and would help flatten out the load cycle and increase the utilization ratio of the electric infrastructure.

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The electricity needed to charge electric vehicles has a cost.

Yes, people and business pay it in their monthly bills.

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The EV-heads haven't been calculating nor measuring it.

The electric companies are sure measuring and getting paid for delivery the electricity to the chargers.  Some companies like Tesla will provide opportunities to charge for free when you buy their cars, but that is just prepaying the electric bill when you make a purchase.

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  EV's make them good, and that's all the proof they need.

You confuse me in that.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 03:12:41 pm
for the first few hundred miles.

With all the talk of government control upcoming.  How better to tame the masses than keep their movement contained to 200 miles a day.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 03:16:34 pm
Typically between 8~18¢ depending on your state and including taxes.



I remember finding and reading a pretty detailed report, that sadly I wish I had bookmarked.  Study and report stated that a full conversion to EV would increase GHG emissionss nation wide by about 10%,  Do you remember seeing that study or something to that effect?
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: thackney on March 31, 2021, 03:39:37 pm
I remember finding and reading a pretty detailed report, that sadly I wish I had bookmarked.  Study and report stated that a full conversion to EV would increase GHG emissionss nation wide by about 10%,  Do you remember seeing that study or something to that effect?

I do not remember and I suspect it is not true.  While there would be an increase in GHG from the electric power industry, there would be a substantially larger decrease coming from the vehicles directly.

The mobile power plant of an ICE is less efficient than the larger scale power plant.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2021, 03:51:35 pm
Volkswagen's 'Voltswagen' rebrand was an April Fool's joke

The company doubled-down on a name change to mark its shift to electric cars. It was a premature prank.
By
Joseph Guzman | March 31, 2021




Story at a glance

    The automaker on Monday seemed to accidentally reveal a press release on its website announcing it was changing the name of its U.S. subsidiary to “Voltswagen” as a way to mark its shift toward electric cars.
    The release was swiftly deleted, but on Tuesday, Volkswagen posted it again, insisting it was legitimate and the name change was real.
    Volkswagen later fessed up and said the announcement was a marketing campaign for its new electric SUV.

more
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/environment/545741-volkswagens-voltswagen-rebrand-was-an-april-fools
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: Hoodat on March 31, 2021, 05:09:23 pm
I just bought a Jetta.  It gets nearly 50 mpg.  Not sure why they would want to retreat away from their high success at fuel efficiency.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 05:30:25 pm
For speed and torque, EV are impressive, for the first few hundred miles.  My needs are too often greater.  I know it works for others.

Yep, I wouldn't have one as my only vehicle for that reason. Nor would I have one if I was frequently commuting hundreds of miles. But the vast majority of the population lives close enough to their work where they are practical.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 05:31:00 pm
Volkswagen's 'Voltswagen' rebrand was an April Fool's joke

The company doubled-down on a name change to mark its shift to electric cars. It was a premature prank.
By
Joseph Guzman | March 31, 2021




Story at a glance

    The automaker on Monday seemed to accidentally reveal a press release on its website announcing it was changing the name of its U.S. subsidiary to “Voltswagen” as a way to mark its shift toward electric cars.
    The release was swiftly deleted, but on Tuesday, Volkswagen posted it again, insisting it was legitimate and the name change was real.
    Volkswagen later fessed up and said the announcement was a marketing campaign for its new electric SUV.

more
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/environment/545741-volkswagens-voltswagen-rebrand-was-an-april-fools

Ok, that's good to know. I can keep my car name  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: BassWrangler on March 31, 2021, 05:31:42 pm
I just bought a Jetta.  It gets nearly 50 mpg.  Not sure why they would want to retreat away from their high success at fuel efficiency.

While VW was attempting to fix my car (this went on for months), they gave me a Jetta as a loaner. Nice little car.
Title: Re: Volkswagen changing its name to 'Voltswagen' as it shifts to electric cars
Post by: Fishrrman on March 31, 2021, 10:26:59 pm
catfish wrote:
"I will be driving a V8 truck the rest of my life, even if gas gets near outlawed, or if I have to pay $10/gallon."

Will you still be fillin' it up when diesel costs $48 per gallon?

Don't laugh. If the communists/greenunists get their way, it could easily get that high...