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General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Energy => Topic started by: OfTheCross on September 23, 2019, 02:53:08 pm
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Technological improvements in hydraulic fracking are making ‘America Great Again’ when it comes to its energy sector. Unconventional oil and gas reserves, which previously were deemed as ‘uneconomic to produce’, are being exploited on a massive scale.
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Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.
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The transformation of the U.S.’ power sector is coming much sooner than incumbent producers were expecting. Currently, the combination of solar, wind, storage, and demand response are already more efficient, and therefore cheaper, than the use of fossil fuels.
oilprice (https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Natural-Gas-Could-Be-Replaced-Within-15-Years-From-Now.html)
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LOL!
Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.
It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
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You've got to warn me when you're going to post ridiculous bullcrap like this...
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
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You've got to warn me when you're going to post ridiculous bullcrap like this...
:silly:
You can always tell when the source is OilPrice.com
National Enquire for the energy news. With less accuracy...
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Sure, ok.
Put up solar panels in Seattle or windmills in Florida. See how that works for ya.
Maybe first understand the concept of 'marginal returns' to understand why alternatives can't replace nat gas, coal, and nuke.
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You can always tell when the source is OilPrice.com
National Enquire for the energy news. With less accuracy...
Nah, the title of crap belongs to Forbes.
Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3)
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Nah, the title of crap belongs to Forbes.
Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3)
And no where in that article is the claim in the OilPrice title.
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Technological improvements in hydraulic fracking are making ‘America Great Again’ when it comes to its energy sector. Unconventional oil and gas reserves, which previously were deemed as ‘uneconomic to produce’, are being exploited on a massive scale.
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Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.
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The transformation of the U.S.’ power sector is coming much sooner than incumbent producers were expecting. Currently, the combination of solar, wind, storage, and demand response are already more efficient, and therefore cheaper, than the use of fossil fuels.
oilprice (https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Natural-Gas-Could-Be-Replaced-Within-15-Years-From-Now.html)
Mother Jones writes the funniest damn stuff, I tell ya.
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Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.
And BTW, the next time some envirowhacko exudes the wonderment of wind energy, ask them how many birds are killed annually.
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And BTW, the next time some envirowhacko exudes the wonderment of wind energy, ask them how many birds are killed annually.
Whoa buddy. Not just generic birds. Eagles and condors, peregrines, and hawks of all kinds.
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And monkeys could fly out of my butt.
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And monkeys could fly out of my butt.
Well dims are interested in natural gas from cow butts.
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What a bunch of Hooey!
Author:
Vanand Meliksetian
Vanand Meliksetian is an energy and utilities consultant who has worked with several major international energy companies. He has an LL.M. from VU Amsterdam University Law and Politics of International Security where he wrote his thesis on Russian-European energy relations. He specializes in international legal and political developments.
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And no where in that article is the claim in the OilPrice title.
And why should it?
The point is you claimed that OilPrice is crap.
I claim Forbes is crappier crap.
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And why should it?
The point is you claimed that OilPrice is crap.
I claim Forbes is crappier crap.
In an ocean of crap, and a lot of that sewage has been washing up on the TBR shores lately. 333cleo
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In an ocean of crap, and a lot of that sewage has been washing up on the TBR shores lately. 333cleo
Wish I could find that article on how much the ultra-left is financing the lies around AGW, and green movement in general.
Maybe be the biggest swindle and wealth distribution project in history.
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Wish I could find that article on how much the ultra-left is financing the lies around AGW, and green movement in general.
Maybe be the biggest swindle and wealth distribution project in history.
@catfish1957
Follow the (Climate Change) Money
The Heritage Foundation by Stephen Moore 12/18/2018
https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money (https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money)
The first iron rule of American politics is: Follow the money. This explains, oh, about 80 percent of what goes on in Washington.
Shortly after the latest Chicken Little climate change report was published last month, I noted on CNN that one reason so many hundreds of scientists are persuaded that the sky is falling is that they are paid handsomely to do so.
I noted that “In America and around the globe governments have created a multi-billion dollar Climate Change Industrial Complex.†And then I added: “A lot of people are getting really, really rich off of the climate change industry.†According to a recent report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, “Federal funding for climate change research, technology, international assistance, and adaptation has increased from $2.4 billion in 1993 to $11.6 billion in 2014, with an additional $26.1 billion for climate change programs and activities provided by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009.â€
How big is the Climate Change Industrial Complex today? Surprisingly, no one seems to be keeping track of all the channels of funding. A few years ago Forbes magazine went through the federal budget and estimated about $150 billion in spending on climate change and green energy subsidies during President Obama’s first term.
That didn’t include the tax subsidies that provide a 30 percent tax credit for wind and solar power — so add to those numbers about $8 billion to $10 billion a year. Then add billions more in costs attributable to the 29 states with renewable energy mandates that require utilities to buy expensive “green†energy.
Worldwide the numbers are gargantuan. Five years ago, a leftist group called the Climate Policy Initiative issued a study which found that “Global investment in climate change†reached $359 billion that year. Then to give you a sense of how money-hungry these planet-saviors are, the CPI moaned that this spending “falls far short of what’s needed†a number estimated at $5 trillion.
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@catfish1957
Follow the (Climate Change) Money
Staggering isn't it? Socialism via the back door.
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What a bunch of Hooey!
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Hmm..............so VM has a credential(degree) from some institution in Amsterdam.
Well in that case, he's obviously an expert!!!
Just reflect how deprived those poor old ancients, like Archimedes, were w/o degrees!
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LOL!
Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.
It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.
Compelling and wise retort, exposing the first post as utter nonsense!!!
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LOL!
Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.
It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner here folks! No more calls please!
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OTOH Nuclear has the potential for low cost, clean, safe, energy production with mostly existing technology.
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OTOH Nuclear has the potential for low cost, clean, safe, energy production with mostly existing technology.
Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.
As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.
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Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.
As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.
If you mean Geothermal, the precipitants from that steam is some of the nastiest stuff found on earth.
It accumulates at a rapid rate, and hard to dispose of.
Ever heard of NORM?
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If you mean Geothermal, the precipitants from that steam is some of the nastiest stuff found on earth.
It accumulates at a rapid rate, and hard to dispose of.
Ever heard of NORM?
Nope.
But I do know downtown Spokane Wa has been heated by geothermal for decades. And most of the equipment is original to the project all those decades ago.
Where geothermal is a feature, that it is not used to generate power is a ridiculous oversight.
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Nope.
But I do know downtown Spokane Wa has been heated by geothermal for decades. And most of the equipment is original to the project all those decades ago.
Where geothermal is a feature, that it is not used to generate power is a ridiculous oversight.
Not an oversight. There ain't gummint graft to be made trying to build a geothermal plant where there are no volcanoes around. They can pretend the sun is shining in Seattle if that's what it takes to pump cash in a Rat's Congressional District.
Geothermal and Nukes are the red-headed stepchildren at the taxpayer trough.
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Not an oversight. There ain't gummint graft to be made trying to build a geothermal plant where there are no volcanoes around. They can pretend the sun is shining in Seattle if that's what it takes to pump cash in a Rat's Congressional District.
Geothermal and Nukes are the red-headed stepchildren at the taxpayer trough.
You're right about that... Hard to make graft out of what comes out of the ground for free...
My favorite is hydro... Been playing with it for years. Dunno if I ever said it here, but my bucket list was supposed to end in a holler by a fast creek with a wood shop powered by a water wheel... I mean old school, belts and drive shafts... But throwing a generator in that wheel is nearly an afterthought.
The wheel would never even know it is there.
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Nope.
But I do know downtown Spokane Wa has been heated by geothermal for decades. And most of the equipment is original to the project all those decades ago.
Where geothermal is a feature, that it is not used to generate power is a ridiculous oversight.
Then Spokane has adapted to handling the NORM and other accumulated buildup.
I used to work geothermal in Indonesia and my brother worked it in California and Nevada.
The solids on those pipes are far worse to deal with than oil field piping.
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Then Spokane has adapted to handling the NORM and other accumulated buildup.
I used to work geothermal in Indonesia and my brother worked it in California and Nevada.
The solids on those pipes are far worse to deal with than oil field piping.
Don't know - I do know more than passing, having spent some time on the porch with a civil engineer who was part and parcel with it... I seem to recall that the steam is exchanged and the main system is not the geothermal water. Don't hold me down and beat me with that - That conversation was decades ago.
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The United States leads the world in the amount of electricity generated with geothermal energy. In 2018, there were geothermal power plants in seven states, which produced about 16.7 billion kilowatthours (kWh), equal to 0.4% of total U.S. utility-scale electricity generation.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/geothermal/use-of-geothermal-energy.php (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/geothermal/use-of-geothermal-energy.php)
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Don't know - I do know more than passing, having spent some time on the porch with a civil engineer who was part and parcel with it... I seem to recall that the steam is exchanged and the main system is not the geothermal water. Don't hold me down and beat me with that - That conversation was decades ago.
If one can develop a system that does not transport geothermal fluids but instead closed-loop circulated fluids that transfer heat, then I agree that appears a very environmentally friendly solution.
(http://blog.teachersource.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Closed.gif)
Most geothermal energy systems are instead done by injection and producing geothermal fluids from the earth which flash out as steam at surface conditions. These fluids contain a lot of minerals which produce solids when flashed, including NORM.
(https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/drysteam.gif.pagespeed.ce.UeHxUJvdXC.gif)
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Nope.
But I do know downtown Spokane Wa has been heated by geothermal for decades. And most of the equipment is original to the project all those decades ago.
Where geothermal is a feature, that it is not used to generate power is a ridiculous oversight.
Take a look at the equipment replacement rates at the Geysers Geothermal plant. Very high with the sulfuric and nitric acids and salts in the steam coming up from the ground.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that there's a huge difference between geothermal used to extract some heat to warm up a building vs used to make steam?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that there's a huge difference between geothermal used to extract some heat to warm up a building vs used to make steam?
Regardless of the application, the major difference is closed loop versus open loop.
Open loop you bring up steam from natural sources.
Closed loop you pipe clean material only in the pipe to the heat source and bring it back up.
As described above in IsailedawayfromFR posts.
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Regardless of the application, the major difference is closed loop versus open loop.
Open loop you bring up steam from natural sources.
Closed loop you pipe clean material only in the pipe to the heat source and bring it back up.
As described above in IsailedawayfromFR posts.
I do not know of any closed loop power generation applications, but there might be. The ones I have seen are simply heat exchangers to warm or cool.
Since we are talking about power generation, the point is that Geothermal generated power is not an environmentally friendly way to get it.
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If you mean Geothermal, the precipitants from that steam is some of the nastiest stuff found on earth.
It accumulates at a rapid rate, and hard to dispose of.
Ever heard of NORM?
Yep (Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials). That is site dependent, though.
But the geothermal that makes the most sense is the ground loop sort for large buildings that simply uses heat exchange with the ground underneath them, and can impart considerable savings in heating and cooling, especially at higher latitudes.
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Since we are talking about power generation, the point is that Geothermal generated power is not an environmentally friendly way to get it.
Right, unless the geothermal vent is already there - and already a naturally occurring contaminant. I had specified an existing feature...
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Right, unless the geothermal vent is already there - and already a naturally occurring contaminant. I had specified an existing feature...
And like I said, I was not aware of any closed loop that generate power rather than just heating space.
You must aware of some then?
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And like I said, I was not aware of any closed loop that generate power rather than just heating space.
You must aware of some then?
Not in particular - But steam turning an impeller is not a novel idea :shrug:
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Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.
As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.
The technology for safe disposal is already here. The enviroweenies simply oppose any power generation that isn’t wind or solar and won’t even give it a second look. Heck, I don’t know what’s wrong with them. :shrug:
Nuclear Waste Disposal Methods
Geological Disposal. The process of geological disposal centers on burrowing nuclear waste into the ground to the point where it is out of human reach. ...
Reprocessing. Reprocessing has also emerged as a viable long term method for dealing with waste. ...
Transmutation. ...
Space Disposal. ...
Conclusion. ...
References.
Mar 9, 2011
Stanford University › large › ali2
Nuclear Waste Disposal Methods - Stanford University
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The technology for safe disposal is already here. The enviroweenies simply oppose any power generation that isn’t wind or solar and won’t even give it a second look. Heck, I don’t know what’s wrong with them. :shrug:
Nuclear Waste Disposal Methods
Geological Disposal. The process of geological disposal centers on burrowing nuclear waste into the ground to the point where it is out of human reach. ...
Reprocessing. Reprocessing has also emerged as a viable long term method for dealing with waste. ...
Transmutation. ...
Space Disposal. ...
Conclusion. ...
References.
Mar 9, 2011
Stanford University › large › ali2
Nuclear Waste Disposal Methods - Stanford University
Not my gig, so I will defer... But all I hear about is salt mines... And warnings in pictures around them because the crap will be hot longer than present languages will be around... :shrug:
If you can get it inert, or even inert in a few decades, That I think is a doable thing.
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And like I said, I was not aware of any closed loop that generate power rather than just heating space.
You must aware of some then?
It is a new thing.
GreenFire Energy Completes Construction of the First Field-Scale Demonstration of Closed-Loop Geothermal Power Generation
https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/greenfire-energy-completes-construction-of-the-first-field-scale-demonstration-of-closed-loop-geothermal-power-generation/ (https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/greenfire-energy-completes-construction-of-the-first-field-scale-demonstration-of-closed-loop-geothermal-power-generation/)
04/16/2019
GreenFire Energy Inc. today announced the completion of construction and the beginning of testing of the world’s first field-scale demonstration of a closed-loop geothermal power system. The project uses an inactive well in the Coso, California, geothermal field. Acceptance testing of key components is in process and active flow testing will begin in early May. A final report of testing results will be made available to the California Energy Commission and project participants later this year....
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It is a new thing.
GreenFire Energy Completes Construction of the First Field-Scale Demonstration of Closed-Loop Geothermal Power Generation
https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/greenfire-energy-completes-construction-of-the-first-field-scale-demonstration-of-closed-loop-geothermal-power-generation/ (https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/greenfire-energy-completes-construction-of-the-first-field-scale-demonstration-of-closed-loop-geothermal-power-generation/)
04/16/2019
GreenFire Energy Inc. today announced the completion of construction and the beginning of testing of the world’s first field-scale demonstration of a closed-loop geothermal power system. The project uses an inactive well in the Coso, California, geothermal field. Acceptance testing of key components is in process and active flow testing will begin in early May. A final report of testing results will be made available to the California Energy Commission and project participants later this year....
I'd bet that the capital costs per kW are probably higher than nuclear....
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Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.
As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.
The waste is much less that you might think and fairly handleable now.
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The waste is much less that you might think and fairly handleable now.
The Environmental wackos made it fashionable to hate nukes. Three Mile Island was an early example of not letting a crisis go to waste.
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The waste is much less that you might think and fairly handleable now.
I'm fairly certain that there are some newer designs that produce no nuclear waste at all @Sanguine.
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I'm fairly certain that there are some newer designs that produce no nuclear waste at all.
A breeder reactor? I would be interested in reading more about those.
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I'm fairly certain that there are some newer designs that produce no nuclear waste at all @Sanguine.
Yes, I'd forgotten those.
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This Nuclear Reactor Eats Nuclear Waste
https://www.fastcompany.com/3043099/this-nuclear-reactor-eats-nuclear-waste (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043099/this-nuclear-reactor-eats-nuclear-waste)
Nuclear power provides the promise of carbon-free electricity, but there are just too many “buts†for many people to accept. No one wants another Fukushima and the United States still doesn’t know what to do with more than 60,000 tons of radioactive waste that has accumulated at its reactor sites. Then there’s the issue of nuclear weapons proliferation and national security to worry about, not to mention the environmental toll of mining for uranium.
A startup–itself a rare concept in the nuclear industry–is working on designs for a new reactor that could address many of these concerns. Transatomic Power’s molten salt reactor design could run on either spent nuclear waste (for countries like the U.S. that have a lot of it) or fresh fuel enriched to lower, cheaper, and safer levels of uranium compared to traditional reactors.
“We have a type of nuclear reactor that environmentalists can really get behind,†says CEO Leslie Dewan, a 30-year-old graduate of MIT’s nuclear engineering PhD program and co-founder of the company.
Molten salt reactors aren’t new; designs for them have been around since the 1950s. They have advantages over the light water reactors in use today because they can be operated at normal pressures and shutdown safely even during a power failure. However, previous designs have required very highly enriched uranium to operate. Transatomic’s new design would require much lower-level uranium enrichment or could simply operate on radioactive waste. The reactor core would also be smaller and able to burn up to 96% of the energy from the fuel over long periods of time–a far higher efficiency than reactors today.
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The waste is much less that you might think and fairly handleable now.
Chernobyl, anyone?
Japan?
Nuclear is fine, till it ain't - And then it's a disaster. For decades.
A dam breaks, that sucks... But you are rebuilding in months, no aftereffects to the land at all...
That is the kind of comparison I am drawing.
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Chernobyl, anyone?
Japan?
Nuclear is fine, till it ain't - And then it's a disaster. For decades.
A dam breaks, that sucks... But you are rebuilding in months, no aftereffects to the land at all...
That is the kind of comparison I am drawing.
You're exactly right - we need to make sure the Russians don't build them and that they're not built over a major, active faultline.
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This Nuclear Reactor Eats Nuclear Waste
https://www.fastcompany.com/3043099/this-nuclear-reactor-eats-nuclear-waste (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043099/this-nuclear-reactor-eats-nuclear-waste)
That is cool... truly. But then, why aren't we doing that?
And it still does not rid us of the disaster sites when things go horribly wrong...
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You're exactly right - we need to make sure the Russians don't build them and that they're not built over a major, active faultline.
Riiight. There is no safe place. nothing is impervious.
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Riiight. There is no safe place. nothing is impervious.
And, there is no 100% safe fuel. I'm surprised you take this viewpoint.
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...why aren't we doing that?....
Because it is only a concept so far and not an actual design, let alone a working prototype.
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And, there is no 100% safe fuel. I'm surprised you take this viewpoint.
Well right... I would rather stay in petroleum products, where the damages can be repaired. A tanker spill or a refinery fire are awful things... but those disasters pale by comparison.
I am not against nuclear. But until there is a definitive way to clean up after it, to include disasters, it is unwise... Children should not play with fire.
There has to be a way to render it inert. when that happens, I am all for it.
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Because it is only a concept so far and not an actual design, let alone a working prototype.
Well I do hope for a better way. It is a brilliant technology, if it can be safely harnessed.
They were working with a bacteria that could render nuke waste inert... That was a while back. I wonder how that turned out...
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Well I do hope for a better way. It is a brilliant technology, if it can be safely harnessed.
They were working with a bacteria that could render nuke waste inert... That was a while back. I wonder how that turned out...
Not inert. Immobilized. Still just as radioactive.
LET them eat waste. Bacteria could thrive on nuclear waste dumped deep underground and immobilise it to make it safer.
Certain microbes can use radionuclides such as uranium and neptunium in place of oxygen, studies have found. In doing so, they convert them from soluble to insoluble forms, making them less mobile.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23431211-300-radiation-eating-bacteria-could-make-nuclear-waste-safer/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23431211-300-radiation-eating-bacteria-could-make-nuclear-waste-safer/)
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Emerging nuclear technologies (https://nuclear.ontariotechu.ca/piro/research/emerging-nuclear-technologies.php)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATd6MbiPtCI#)
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Well right... I would rather stay in petroleum products, where the damages can be repaired. A tanker spill or a refinery fire are awful things... but those disasters pale by comparison.
I am not against nuclear. But until there is a definitive way to clean up after it, to include disasters, it is unwise... Children should not play with fire.
There has to be a way to render it inert. when that happens, I am all for it.
Petroleum will be the go-to fuel for cars and trucks for the foreseeable future. Nothing is as portable as gasoline and CNG. Electric will never be able to fill the bill for long-distance driving, and Hydrogen is still a pipe dream.
Why do you suppose the Green Wackos are so hot on taking us all off their roads?
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Well right... I would rather stay in petroleum products, where the damages can be repaired. A tanker spill or a refinery fire are awful things... but those disasters pale by comparison.
I am not against nuclear. But until there is a definitive way to clean up after it, to include disasters, it is unwise... Children should not play with fire.
There has to be a way to render it inert. when that happens, I am all for it.
I think the biggest difference is simple enough to figure out. You can smell gasoline, although methane (most commonly called "Natural Gas" on the consumer end) has no smell, by the time the consumer gets it, it has the mercaptans added in so it stinks, Oil puts slicks or rainbows on the water and can be seen...but radiation really doesn't glow in the dark for the most part, you can't see or smell it, and can absorb a lethal dose and not even know it hit you.
That's scary. Add in long decay lives for significant amounts, and it gets scary for those who come after us, especially those a few hundred or thousand years out, just because we don't know what level they will be operating at, scientifically.
So, better the debbil you now...
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Well I do hope for a better way. It is a brilliant technology, if it can be safely harnessed.
That has the makings of a sci-fi movie.
"The Atomic Bacteria that terrorized Manhatten"
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Not inert. Immobilized. Still just as radioactive.
Thank you :)
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So, better the debbil you now...
That's where I'm at too.
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That has the makings of a sci-fi movie.
"The Atomic Bacteria that terrorized Manhatten"
LOL! It is a wonder if it hasn't been done. :D
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So much for this crap solar is the way to go.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379186.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379186.0.html)
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So much for this crap solar is the way to go.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379186.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379186.0.html)
@IsailedawayfromFR
That is not entirely fair. That problem is in the rigging. No batteries, and no switch. The solar array is tied exclusively to the grid.
Off-grid solar is wholly self-contained, and works fairly well. So long as you are after 110v, the investment in solar is comparable to the cost of going to the grid (albeit all down, no easy payments)... Except in remote locations, the cost of a solar system is often cheaper than the cost of installation alone in order to hook up to the grid.
And in gray areas, where the grid is available to the property, but often unreliable, a fully independent system can charge/cycle itself and shunt extra power out to the grid - The balance often going to the owner wrt monthly cost, with the convenience of on-grid power for 220v (which is really not very available in solar at a reasonable cost), and a normal abundance that would allow for higher draws (electric heaters as an instance). But as a matter of course, these systems are switched back to independent during power outage by way of a manual switch, mainly to protect linemen working on the problem... The same way fallback generators divorce themselves from the grid when active... Properly wired, you cannot get at the local power without switching to independent.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
That is not entirely fair. That problem is in the rigging. No batteries, and no switch. The solar array is tied exclusively to the grid.
Off-grid solar is wholly self-contained, and works fairly well. So long as you are after 110v, the investment in solar is comparable to the cost of going to the grid (albeit all down, no easy payments)... Except in remote locations, the cost of a solar system is often cheaper than the cost of installation alone in order to hook up to the grid.
And in gray areas, where the grid is available to the property, but often unreliable, a fully independent system can charge/cycle itself and shunt extra power out to the grid - The balance often going to the owner wrt monthly cost, with the convenience of on-grid power for 220v (which is really not very available in solar at a reasonable cost), and a normal abundance that would allow for higher draws (electric heaters as an instance). But as a matter of course, these systems are switched back to independent during power outage by way of a manual switch, mainly to protect linemen working on the problem... The same way fallback generators divorce themselves from the grid when active... Properly wired, you cannot get at the local power without switching to independent.
you and I know this, but that us not the way it is regulated in California.
The people there who installed solar for the most part thought they would still have the lights on and be able to plug into their EVs using that generated juice.
I like your way: off the grid.
Being on it exposes the risk the power may not be there when needed.
Never depend on others for what u need if you can avoid it.
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I like your way: off the grid.
Being on it exposes the risk the power may not be there when needed.
Never depend on others for what u need if you can avoid it.
That's right. But to be honest, I would prefer a hybrid system - Or a hydro system, because 220v is very important to my shop, and at least relevant to a home... A big jenny can make that happen (which should be there too, I would admit), but grid power makes that much easier to possess. As a tinker, I need that.
And besides, who am I kidding? I have to be close enough to at least get at a DSL line, which means there will also be power to the property :laugh:
But yeah, a passive system in reserve to remain independent in a failure would be necessary to me... At least 110v... Which solar would provide.