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General Category => World News => Topic started by: EC on April 23, 2017, 07:40:25 am
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Won't be any results for hours yet, polls opened 90 minutes ago. This is the Live Thread, so post if you find anything interesting, as well as comments etc.
France votes in presidential election after eventful campaign
(CNN)French voters go to the polls Sunday after a presidential election campaign that was notable for its volatility and overshadowed in its final days by a terror attack on police in Paris.
While there are 11 names on the ballot, only four leading contenders are seen as having a realistic prospect of making it through to the second round of voting.
They are far-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen, scandal-hit conservative François Fillon, centrist newcomer Emmanuel Macron and far-left wildcard Jean-Luc Mélenchon.
The top two in Sunday's vote will face off on May 7 for the second and final round of voting.
Latest polls suggest the results are too close to call, meaning France could end up with a choice between candidates from the far-left and far-right, or a far-right stalwart facing off against a political novice. With such a fractured field, no one is expected to win a majority in Sunday's first round.
More plus Video: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/23/europe/french-presidential-election-vote/
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The French Election Is Way Too Close To Call (538)
The first part of one of the most topsy-turvy presidential elections in modern French history will come to a head on Sunday. That’s when voters in France head to the polls for the first round of voting. The top two finishers will proceed to a runoff election unless the top vote-getter receives more than 50 percent of the vote, in which case he or she wins outright. But if the polls are to be believed, that’s not going to happen. Instead, candidates representing the far right, far left, center and center-right all have a shot at securing one of the two spots in the runoff on May 7.
In short, the French presidential election is a mess.
Through much of 2017, Sunday’s contest looked like it was going to be a race to see who was going to advance to the runoff against the far-right National Front candidate Marine Le Pen. Originally, Le Pen’s most likely opponent appeared to be center-right Republican François Fillon. Given Le Pen’s poor showing in runoff polls, this would have made Fillon a strong favorite to become president. Fillon, though, became the center of a scandal in which he was accused of using public funds to pay his wife and adult children for fictitious jobs. He refused to drop out of the race and plummeted in the polls. That’s when former left-wing Socialist and now En Marche! centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron climbed into a first-place tie with Le Pen and looked destined to end up in a runoff with her.
More: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-french-election-is-way-too-close-to-call/
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There is a poll here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,259661.msg1294414/boardseen.html#new) for your top two picks, thanks to @Freya
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And, for those of you who prefer news from the media of the nation involved:
France votes in hotly contested presidential race amid tight security
Voters on Sunday are casting their ballots in the first election in France’s modern history to take place under a state of emergency. Security has been tightened across the country with many polling stations guarded by armed police and soldiers.
Polls opened at 8am local time across the country in the first round of a high-stakes presidential election that is being closely watched by the international community.
Around 46.87 million voters are registered to vote in 66,546 polling stations, several of them protected – for the first time in recent memory -- by armed police and soldiers.
The tightened security measures follow an attack on the world famous Champs-Élysées Thursday night, when a gunman killed a policeman and wounded three others, including two policemen. The attack was claimed by the Islamic State group.
"The government is fully mobilised,” French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said after an emergency meeting of top security officials on Friday. “Nothing must be allowed to impede the fundamental democratic process of our country.”
Around 50,000 policemen and 7,000 soldiers have been deployed to protect the nation’s voting sites, both Sunday and in the May 7 second round.
Another test of post-war liberal order
French voters are choosing from 11 presidential candidates in a hotly contested race that is widely viewed as yet another test of the post-war liberal economic order following the shock victory of Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election and the Brexit vote in the UK.
The favourites in the first round are far-right’s Marine Le Pen, centrist Emmanuel Macron, the centre-right’s François Fillon and extreme left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon.
More: http://www.france24.com/en/20170421-security-heightened-french-polling-stations-amid-terror-fears-france
The named candidates (in the article, not here cause I'm lazy) have links to news items from France24 on each candidate. for anyone curious.
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Bookmarking
Merci @EC
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De rien, madmoiselle. :laugh:
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De rien, madmoiselle. :laugh:
Gee, I feel like I should start singing an Edith Piaf song all of a sudden. :)
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Gee, I feel like I should start singing an Edith Piaf song all of a sudden. :)
Great, now you have "La Vie en Rose" going through my little pea-sized brain!
Meanwhile, in France: PARIS — The Latest on the first round of France’s presidential election (all times local):
1 p.m.
France’s Interior Ministry says the voter turnout so far in the first round of the presidential election is about the same as it was in 2012, when turnout was high.
At midday Sunday, the ministry said that 28.54 percent of eligible voters had cast their ballot, compared with 28.29 percent in 2012.
Commentators have said a low voter turnout would benefit far-right candidate Marine Le Pen, whose voters are seen to have more enthusiasm and are more certain to vote in a low turnout election than supporters of some other candidates.
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12:20 p.m.
A voting station in eastern France has reopened after being evacuated because of a suspicious vehicle parked nearby.
Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet told The Associated Press that the voting station in Besancon was evacuated while explosives experts examined the car, but they deemed there to be no risk.
He said no other incidents have been reported in Sunday’s first-round presidential election.
Tens of thousands of security forces are guarding voting stations across France after an attack in Paris on Thursday revived security concerns. France remains under a state of emergency after deadly Islamic extremist attacks in recent years.
The top two winners on Sunday will advance to a May 7 runoff.
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11:30 a.m.
Topless demonstrators from the Femen activist group have caused a commotion as they staged a stunt against Marine Le Pen outside a polling station where the far-right presidential candidate was heading to vote.
Around six topless Femen activists were detained Sunday morning after jumping out of an SUV limo wearing masks of Le Pen and United States President Donald Trump.
Police and security forces quickly forced them into police vans, confiscating their signs.
Le Pen voted at the station shortly after without further disruption.
The election is taking place amid heightened security. The government has mobilized more than 50,000 police and gendarmes to protect polling stations. ...
More from WashPost (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-first-candidates-cast-vote-in-french-election/2017/04/23/89c2ef6a-27f8-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_story.html?utm_term=.5f4a0e0e21a6)
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French elections 2017: disintegrating left-right divide sets stage for political upheaval
Squeezed by Jean-Luc Mélenchon on one side and Emmanuel Macron on the other, the presidential contest could mean destruction for the Socialist party
French voters go to the polls on Sunday in the first round of a presidential election that to the very end has brought little consensus or comfort and only one certainty: the result will be a political upheaval, whoever wins.
Even as they walk into their bureau de vote, many will still be undecided, faced with paper slips for an unprecedented 11 candidates, only four of them thought to be serious contenders for the Elysée palace. There is a nail-biting sense that anything could happen.
Do they vote for or against? Do they choose a candidate who represents their politics or one who, opinion polls suggest, is most likely to defeat the woman whose presence as one of two candidates in the second-round runoff in a fortnight seems a given, but whose name still provokes a frisson of fear for many: the far-right Front National leader Marine Le Pen, with her anti-Europe, anti-immigration, “French-first” programme?
As election day has approached, and with the added complication of the terrorist threat following the shooting of a police officer on the Champs-Elysées in Paris, the dilemma has caused particular anguish for France’s mainstream leftwing voters, whose candidate is trailing in fifth place.
There are no certainties, but barring all other candidates “dropping from a nasty virus”, as one political analyst put it, Benoît Hamon is facing a crushing defeat in the first round, ending his leadership dreams and putting the future of the country’s Socialist party (PS) in question....
Even worse, and even more unthinkable, if leftwing voters turn en masse to Jean-Luc Mélenchon as their best hope of a place in the second round against the frontrunners – independent centrist Emmanuel Macron, Le Pen or the conservative François Fillon – and Hamon polls less than 5%, none of Hamon’s campaign expenses will be reimbursed, bankrupting the PS. ...
More at The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/22/france-presidential-election-le-pen-macron-socialists).
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Looking forward to this
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Looking forward to this
Me too. I do like politics.
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Great, now you have "La Vie en Rose" going through my little pea-sized brain!
Meanwhile, in France: More from WashPost (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-first-candidates-cast-vote-in-french-election/2017/04/23/89c2ef6a-27f8-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_story.html?utm_term=.5f4a0e0e21a6)
It's a very pretty song, I think.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-obama-adviser-ben-rhodes-a-win-for-marine-le-pen-in-france-would-be-devastating/article/2620987
Former Obama adviser Ben Rhodes: A win for Marine Le Pen in France would be 'devastating'
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Drudge headline says winner announced at 2pm EST today.
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Marine Le Pen: Deport the S-Files!
Posted on April 23, 2017 by Baron Bodissey
France goes to the polls today to vote in the first round of the presidential election. Below is the first part of an interview conducted by an annoying progressive media snoid with one of the candidates, Marine Le Pen.
Note: when Ms. Le Pen and her interlocutor discuss “S-files”, they are referring to residents of France with known terrorist connections for whom a dossier known as an S-file has been compiled by French intelligence.
Many thanks to Ava Lon for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/04/marine-le-pen-deport-the-s-files/
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What time to the polls close (Paris time)?
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-obama-adviser-ben-rhodes-a-win-for-marine-le-pen-in-france-would-be-devastating/article/2620987
Former Obama adviser Ben Rhodes: A win for Marine Le Pen in France would be 'devastating'
Ben Dover is a Obama toady and should not be listened to.
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Ben Dover is a Obama toady and should not be listened to.
It behooves us to listen to him sometimes just to get an idea of what kind of fertilizer he's spreading...
They've been saying the "far-right candidate would be a world crime" for years, but we've never seen it happen so who knows? I imagine their snowflakes would be eating pepper spray in the streets too.
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It behooves us to listen to him sometimes just to get an idea of what kind of fertilizer he's spreading...
I imagine their snowflakes would be eating pepper spray in the streets too.
:2popcorn:
They will get a reprieve in between the bi-monthlysuicide bombings/Machete/AK and truck swerving attacks.
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LIVE FROM PARIS: Suspense, Anticipation and a Feeling that Anything Could Happen
Damien Cowley Apr 23rd, 2017 12:57 am Leave a Comment
The normal Sunday morning is a lazy affair in the French capital. Streets are quiet bar neighborhoods where the market day is held on Sunday. Early-riser tourists make their way to the city’s attractions to beat the crowds. Most businesses remain closed and the busiest places are still the boulangerie and the church – proof that some traditions refuse to die-out.
Election day is no lazy Sunday however. Roughly 80% of registered voters ordinarily turn out to vote. 2007 saw the figure as high as 84%, even greater in Paris. It is a duty the French take seriously and many are rising early to vote in order to free up the rest of the day.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/live-paris-suspense-anticipation-feeling-anything-happen/
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Thanks for starting this thread, EC.
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MARINE LE PEN Leads All Candidates in Last Minute Leaked French Poll
Jim Hoft Apr 23rd, 2017 9:41 am 80 Comments
Marine Le Pen leads all French candidates in a last minute leaked poll published by La Libre.
Westmonster reported:
A shock leaked poll obtained by Belgian newspaper La Libre shows Marine Le Pen leading the French Presidential race on 26%, with conservative Francois Fillon in second place on 22%.
If that result played out today it would mean that establishment favourite Emmanuel Macron would be knocked out and that Le Pen would take on Fillon one-on-one.
That would be highly significant as Le Pen has polled best against Fillon, as high as 47%.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/marine-le-pen-leads-candidates-last-minute-leaked-french-poll/
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MARINE LE PEN Leads All Candidates in Last Minute Leaked French Poll
Jim Hoft Apr 23rd, 2017 9:41 am 80 Comments
Marine Le Pen leads all French candidates in a last minute leaked poll published by La Libre.
Westmonster reported:
A shock leaked poll obtained by Belgian newspaper La Libre shows Marine Le Pen leading the French Presidential race on 26%, with conservative Francois Fillon in second place on 22%.
If that result played out today it would mean that establishment favourite Emmanuel Macron would be knocked out and that Le Pen would take on Fillon one-on-one.
That would be highly significant as Le Pen has polled best against Fillon, as high as 47%.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/marine-le-pen-leads-candidates-last-minute-leaked-french-poll/
If Fillon loses we all lose. Le Pen is a Leftist nutbag.
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Socialist, Globalist, Holocaust Denier, Russian Stooge. What's there not to love? /sark
...This is a really bad habit American conservatives have picked up. We watch European politicians take positions on a few cherry picked issues, and rush to celebrate them, no matter what their views on other issues are.......
....Marine Le Pen is the head of the National Front (Front National) in France, a party founded by Holocaust Denier-Vichy Apologist Jean-Marie Le Pen. Marine is his daughter, and has now taken over the party.....
...But let’s be clear on this: She’s not just her father’s daughter. She chose to join his party. She chose to work beneath him. She’s built a career trying to advance his party and his agenda. That she now uses him as a scapegoat doesn’t absolve her of that.....
...Under her, the party has taken large payouts from Vladimir Putin’s Russia, allowing itself to be used as a foreign agent. For her part, she’s praised Putin, calling him the defender of Christian values.
In Greece, she supported SYRIZA, the extreme left coalition that’s been trying to tear that country down. This itself is a key sign that she literally is a National Socialist. Even Socialist President François Hollande has compared her with a “leaflet of the Communist Party.”....
...In her current Presidential run, she’s declared herself against privatization, and supports a large, strong state apparatus.
She’s backed John Maynard Keynes’s Havana Charter for international economy.
In the US she’s joined the extreme left of the Democrats, and called for Glass-Steagall to return.
She’s called for something even stronger than Too Big To Fail: Nationalization of banks......
http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2016/11/16/marine-le-pen-isnt-okay-matter-view-islam/
...but heck, she hates Islam so hop on board..
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If Fillon loses we all lose. Le Pen is a Leftist nutbag.
Can't be helped, Frank. They're all French. :shrug:
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If Fillon loses we all lose. Le Pen is a Leftist nutbag.
THANK YOU FRANK!!!!!
Someone has to say it. She is a Socialist, Globalist, Holocaust Denier, Putin Puppet. I just posted a very disturbing article about her. Other than her view on immigration and Islam, she is even to the left of American Liberals on many issues.
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Le Pen is not our ally and she shouldn't be celebrated.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,259746.0.html
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THANK YOU FRANK!!!!!
Someone has to say it. She is a Socialist, Globalist, Holocaust Denier, Putin Puppet. I just posted a very disturbing article about her. Other than her view on immigration and Islam, she is even to the left of American Liberals on many issues.
That's a big problem with her. Because she is a bit of a nationalist everyone thinks she is Right wing. She is the opposite.
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Fillon was Putin's man originally but there could be various reasons for that and perhaps that is just from some judging it per a campaign contribution.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-29/fillon-win-gives-putin-hope-for-new-ally-as-sanctions-zeal-fades
Sometimes, you have to prioritize and right now, I'm sure what is most important is the war on terror. Vote one's conscience but realize the ramifications as well.
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Drudge has this link up. It's a live link to French TV in English
https://youtu.be/1Ydto3Iyzic
You can see the election live through it. It's quite good.
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So basically, the French had the same sort of choice the US had: Pick one from two liberals.
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THANK YOU FRANK!!!!!
Someone has to say it. She is a Socialist, Globalist, Holocaust Denier, Putin Puppet. I just posted a very disturbing article about her. Other than her view on immigration and Islam, she is even to the left of American Liberals on many issues.
I can live with that. And I'm boning up on my French.
https://www.vagabomb.com/French-Insults/
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So basically, the French had the same sort of choice the US had: Pick one from two liberals.
Yeah, one must be one of those Conservatives who advanced the cause of abortion and speak against Trump whenever possible.
:silly:
Securing borders, open up drilling, all very liberal principles.
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exactly
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I can live with that. And I'm boning up on my French.
https://www.vagabomb.com/French-Insults/
The French like being boned. They are the prison bitches of the Western world.
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/surrender-monkey.jpg)
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She isn't predicted to win the main election runoff but surprises do happen.
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Yeah, one must be one of those Conservatives who advanced the cause of abortion and speak against Trump whenever possible.
:silly:
Securing borders, open up drilling, all very liberal principles.
Depends on who you talk to, Tom.
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I don't know what the big deal is. Its just France after all. They always have shitty leaders.
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Trump has placed a Judge on the Supreme Court that almost all pro-life organizations endorse, he defunded planned parenthood international, the UN population fund, has given states rights to defund planned parenthood.
Those putting down Trump; then, really turned their back on the unborn, vote your conscience but don't expect to not be challenged on points and vice-versa.
They are the same reasons to defend Romney in '12.
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The French like being boned. They are the prison bitches of the Western world.
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/surrender-monkey.jpg)
LOL!
The French are sawed-off sissies who eat snails and slugs and cheese that smells like people's feet. Utter cowards who force their own children to drink wine, they gibber like baboons even when you try to speak to them in their own wimpy language.
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I don't know what the big deal is. Its just France after all. They always have shitty leaders.
Sarkozy's the only one I remember ever being worth a bucket of spit.
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Sarkozy's the only one I remember ever being worth a bucket of spit.
True...And what did they follow up with after him. François Hollande. A dick with ears.
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Trump has placed a Judge on the Supreme Court that almost all pro-life organizations endorse, he defunded planned parenthood international, the UN population fund, has given states rights to defund planned parenthood.
Those putting down Trump; then, really turned their back on the unborn, vote your conscience but don't expect to not be challenged on points and vice-versa.
They are the same reasons to defend Romney in '12.
I don't think a thread about the French Election today is the best place to re-litigate the Trump War. If I started it, then my bad.
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Early results :
MAcron 23.7%
LePen 21.7%
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HbIXfXYAAJRpl.jpg)
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Didn't the polls close about eight minutes ago?
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Didn't the polls close about eight minutes ago?
I'm reading some that says this is the result, some are calling them projections. Not knowing how they do the count, I'm not sure these are final or not.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HczpuXgAEDGcQ.jpg)
The other angle is that Melenchon and Fillon weren't far behind. Large bloc of votes up for grabs in June.
Correction: Runoff is May 7, parliamentaries are June.
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I don't think a thread about the French Election today is the best place to re-litigate the Trump War. If I started it, then my bad.
:chairbang:
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Marine Le Pen made it into the second round of nation’s presidential elections, according to exit polls.
They better hope France has better exit polling than us.
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France faces its own EU referendum as far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who supports an exit, and Europhile Emmanuel Macron split the first-round vote to go head to head in presidential elections
Daily Mail/UK, Apr 23, 2017
French centrist Emmanuel Macron has come out on top in the first round of France's presidential election with far right leader Marine Le Pen in second place, which means both have qualified for the May 7 runoff vote, pollsters projections from partial results showed on Sunday.
Macron won 23.7 percent of the vote and Le Pen 21.7 percent, an Ipsos/Sopra Steria estimate showed.
Former favourite Francois Fillon got only 19.5 per cent, while communist-backed firebrand Jean-Luc Melanchon got 19.5 per cent of the vote.
Earlier this evening, Le Pen and her supporters were celebrating the projection results in the northern town of Henin-Beaumont, 120 miles north of Paris.
The far right leader had security authorities on high alert, with rioting expected across the country in protest due to her election success.
More than 50,000 police and gendarmes were deployed to the 66,000 polling stations for Sunday's election, which comes after Thursday's deadly attack on the Champs-Elysees in which a police officer and a gunman were slain.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html#ixzz4f69mKC00
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The far right leader had security authorities on high alert, with rioting expected across the country in protest due to her election success.
Sound familiar?
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I don't think a thread about the French Election today is the best place to re-litigate the Trump War. If I started it, then my bad.
Little Tommy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Sound familiar?
Who will be rioting. Paris Muzzies?
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Latest according to Bloomberg, Le Pen is now ahead, with 24,9% of the vote. Macron has 21.1%.
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Who will be rioting. Paris Muzzies?
We won't know for certain until we see how many cars are burned. :whistle:
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TFL has Macron and le Pen almost even, per the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-39683594
Well, unless there is a surprise upset as the city votes start coming in, the runoff is Macron/le Pen, and le Pen is going to lose by around 10 points.
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OFFICIAL: 9.2 million votes counted, Le Pen 25%, Macron 21% https://t.co/lkqZxWAaQs pic.twitter.com/paqYsXnAGk— Westmonster (@WestmonsterUK) April 23, 2017
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HiJXTXcAIdiTF.jpg)
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I just read that The exit projections are based on vote counts in select constituencies, then extrapolated nationwide. If Le Pen and Macron's leads hold, it would be the first time in modern French history that no major-party candidate has advanced.
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Protesters have taken to the streets of Paris to hold a rally called “night of the barricades” after the first round of voting in France’s presidential election on Sunday April 23.
https://www.rt.com/on-air/385800-paris-protest-presidential-election/
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We won't know for certain until we see how many cars are burned. :whistle:
As good a way as any is suppose! ^-^
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...hmmm...from what I have quickly read it seems they have a choice between a liberal and a socialist...don't see a whole lot of difference between the Le Pen and Macron other than their stance on open borders.
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If anyone's following, I think these are the live results from the French Interior Ministry:
http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html
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If anyone's following, I think these are the live results from the French Interior Ministry:
http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html
Do they have the results for the Ministry of Silly Walks?
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If anyone's following, I think these are the live results from the French Interior Ministry:
http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html
According to that source, she leads by less than one percent.
BTW Le Pen is NOT a Holocaust denier, as has been falsely claimed. She merely said the French nation did not bear responsibility for the roundup by Vichy, puppets of the Nazis.
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This is why we have an electoral college.
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...hmmm...from what I have quickly read it seems they have a choice between a liberal and a socialist...don't see a whole lot of difference between the Le Pen and Macron other than their stance on open borders.
Here's one:
(http://api.ning.com/files/k6yykKLHVEOh--yJrtPsQXOX3Sl939xUhkHCCyPJ8Hlkdk-DupsxsCLB41wWd5V8czpfR8UcNeiffs3tp9F*xTxiJWzcgKWI/MarineLePenTheDivide.jpg)
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Here's one:
(http://api.ning.com/files/k6yykKLHVEOh--yJrtPsQXOX3Sl939xUhkHCCyPJ8Hlkdk-DupsxsCLB41wWd5V8czpfR8UcNeiffs3tp9F*xTxiJWzcgKWI/MarineLePenTheDivide.jpg)
Yet the irony is she signed on to the Havana Charter for international economy which is about as globalist as you get (global economic agreement that makes the IMF and ITO seem small.)
Of course, some of the biggest promoters of their own international empire painted themselves as nationalistic patriots.
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...hmmm...from what I have quickly read it seems they have a choice between a liberal and a socialist...don't see a whole lot of difference between the Le Pen and Macron other than their stance on open borders.
This is between a National Socialist and an International Socialist.
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Here's one:
(http://api.ning.com/files/k6yykKLHVEOh--yJrtPsQXOX3Sl939xUhkHCCyPJ8Hlkdk-DupsxsCLB41wWd5V8czpfR8UcNeiffs3tp9F*xTxiJWzcgKWI/MarineLePenTheDivide.jpg)
Le Pen is human debris.
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Here's one:
(http://api.ning.com/files/k6yykKLHVEOh--yJrtPsQXOX3Sl939xUhkHCCyPJ8Hlkdk-DupsxsCLB41wWd5V8czpfR8UcNeiffs3tp9F*xTxiJWzcgKWI/MarineLePenTheDivide.jpg)
She is a Russian Stooge..
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She is a Russian Stooge..
I think they said/say that about Trump.
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Le Pen is best for France today, given that the Islamic terrorist invasion is the single most important subject.
Fail with that one, and you have no nation to split hairs over.
(Of course I don't expect understanding, much less agreement here; but will point out that "here" has gotten almost everything wrong during the past year)
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The frogs are starting a #NeverTrump style campaign against Le Pen. Looks like some of the posters here are charter members of movement and are lending their expertise on how well it worked inthe last election.
:whistle:.
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This is between a National Socialist and an International Socialist.
Pretty much.
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Yet the irony is she signed on to the Havana Charter for international economy which is about as globalist as you get (global economic agreement that makes the IMF and ITO seem small.)
Of course, some of the biggest promoters of their own international empire painted themselves as nationalistic patriots.
I've seen that Movie too, without Sub-Titles.
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French centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right candidate Marine Le Pen have qualified for the second round in the French presidential election with 23.7 percent and 21.7 percent of the vote respectively. Follow our live coverage below.
Centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right candidate Marine Le Pen have qualified for the second round of the French presidential election, according to early results.
French President François Hollande has called Macron to congratulate him.
Conservative leader François Fillon conceded defeat and called on supporters to vote Macron.
Socialist Party candidate Benoît Hamon, who got just 6.2% of the vote, said he took full responsibility for the election drubbing.
Update:
The French Interior Ministry has published results with 90 percent of ballots counted. The figures show the gap between Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen widening, and the gap between François Fillon and Jean-Luc Mélenchon narrowing.
At 1:30am on Monday morning the results are:
Emmanuel Macron 23.50%
Marine Le Pen 22.07%
François Fillon 19.74%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon 19.47%
http://www.france24.com/en/20170423-france-liveblog-presidential-election-first-round-results-follow-live
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Russia stands by Le Pen
Posted at 0:19
The chairman of the foreign relations committee of the Russian Lower House, Konstantin Kosachev, voiced support for Marine Le Pen in a Facebook post. Hope dies last, he says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-39683594
Can't post the tweet cause no link and the screengrab doesn't have a seperate URL. Got to the address above and scroll to 00:19 on the live feed.
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@EC , You're closer to the firing line. How you you think le Pen's voters count out? How much of that is because of another famous le Pen, and how much is because people are pissed about the Islamists and just want somebody to shut off the flow of terrorism?
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Some of her support is certainly baked in from her old man. The French have long memories. Most of it is recent and as a direct result of the various terrorist attacks, as well as the bimonthly unrest in the cities (the bimonthly unrest of the farmers and the annual tantrum of the air traffic controllers is just a part of life). Still more is due to the influx of refugees into what is still a very insular nation.
Without the terrorist attacks AND the refugee problem, her showing would have been about 7% - 9%
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The polls had this one almost dead to rights.
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With 76 of 107 departements counted, the results stand at:
Macron 23.17%
Le Pen 22.67%
Mélenchon 19.22%
Fillon 19.14%
Hamon 6.33%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/23/french-election-live-results-exit-polls/
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Notice that there is only .5% difference between Le Pen and the Squish.
NOT the 2% difference that the other Media outlets have been reporting.
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I, too, would like to see Le Pen to win.
I've said it before most of the ne'ertrumpers arrived here (after being run out of TOS), and I'll repeat:
The ONLY political faction that will ever make an attempt to confront and expel islam from Western Europe are those considered to be generally of the far right.
Le Pen hails from that spectrum, even though she makes noises to soothe the inner socialists that the French are (and have been since "Liberté, égalité, fraternité").
I don't really expect Le Pen to win -- this time.
But four more years of doing essentially nothing against islam's putsch in France is probably going to produce a different result NEXT time...
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French vacation guide. Dark blue is better...
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/04/23/aafrancemap-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-3EWhlPdPNfJnMxiEPBacpIKVwKpOJvEsMaT2Od4FUQ.png)
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with 97% in...
M. Emmanuel MACRON 8 528 585 23,86%
Mme Marine LE PEN 7 658 990 21,43%
M. François FILLON 7 126 632 19,94%
M. Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON 7 011 856 19,62%
M. Benoît HAMON 2 268 838 6,35%
Polls were near dead on accurate.
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When is the last time they had a good leader? Cuz they ain't getting one this time.
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@EC, when it's all over at least we can say we live in interesting times.
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That we can. @Freya :laugh:
From the France 24 link above, and just to finish off the thread:
The leaders of France's battered Socialist Party have been gathering for a crisis meeting. Their secretary-general, Jean-Christophe Cambadélis, says they have "unanimously" agreed to back Macron in the second round, which is no surprise.
It's unlikely they'll agree on much else though, with critics of humbled presidential candidate Benoît Hamon (who scored just over 6%) likely to seize the opportunity to blast his left-wing lurch. Hamon's backers, meanwhile, will be eager to settle scores with those who betrayed the party's nominee by backing Macron ahead of the first round.
What, if anything, is left of the once mighty Socialists by the June parliamentary polls will be one of the big questions over the coming weeks.
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Barack Obama Caught Meddling in French Election
By Onan Coca May 5, 2017
Uh-oh. Another Presidential American has just been accused of meddling in foreign affairs, but this time there is definitive proof of his malfeasance.
No, i’m not talking about President Trump… it was former President Obama! (Gasp!) The former president just announced, publicly, that he was supporting Emmanuel Macron in the race for the French presidency.
http://constitution.com/barack-obama-caught-meddling-french-election/
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He also meddled in Israel's election only Bebe still won!
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Awaken, moribund thread. The day is at hand!
French Presidential Election day.
French elections: Voters decide between Le Pen and Macron
French voters are choosing their next president after an unpredictable campaign that has divided the country.
The second round contest pits centrist Emmanuel Macron, a 39-year-old former investment banker, against the far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen, 48.
Citizens in some overseas territories and many French expats abroad have begun voting.
The polls opened in metropolitan France at 08:00 local time (06:00 GMT) on Sunday and close at 19:00 (17:00 GMT).
Polling stations will remain open in some big cities until 20:00 local time (18:00 GMT), with early estimates of the result due to be reported immediately after they close.
The two candidates, who topped a field of 11 presidential hopefuls in the first round election on 23 April, have offered voters starkly different visions of France.
More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39833831
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@EC
Who do you think will win? Should we do another poll?
I think we might be polled out.....
But it will be interesting.
Merci Beacoup for the bump!
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I'm going to stick with my prediction from the first round - Macron by ~10 points.
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I'm going to stick with my prediction from the first round - Macron by ~10 points.
It's the top story on Drudge right now. He's saying the far left will decide.
I gotta go back to bed....I have a long day with family today I'm dreading. I'll follow this again in a few hours.
Good night.
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Sleep well, dear friend. :laugh:
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I see almost 100 people are guests on World News; so let's keep all of our comments on topic.
Also, the "French election" related threads could go into this one big one.
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And the liveblog from France 24, who'll keep more on top of things.
Live: Macron and Le Pen face off in French presidential run-off
French voters on Sunday began casting ballots in the presidential run-off between independent centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen. Follow FRANCE 24’s live blog below for all the latest Election Day news.
Voting stations opened at 8am (6am GMT) in mainland France Sunday, and most close at 7pm, with those in some large cities remaining open until 8pm. Voters overseas began voting Saturday.
A first estimate of the results will be published around 8pm.
It is a historic election by several measures: both candidates are from parties outside the political mainstream. It follows an unprecedented campaign marked by scandal and repeated surprises.
If elected, Macron, 39, would be the youngest president of France's Fifth Republic. Marine Le Pen, 48, would be the first female president.
France's 47 million voters will choose between radically different platforms: the free-trade, pro-EU policies of Macron's En Marche! (Forward!) party, and the protectionist nationalism of Le Pen's National Front.
French law prohibits French media from quoting the presidential candidates or their supporters until polls close at 8pm Sunday.
More plus continual updates: http://www.france24.com/en/20170507-liveblog-live-france-presidential-election-macron-le-pen-second-round-run-off
The bit I bolded is important. The first thing you are going to hear from Macron or le Pen or any of their campaign today is when one gives their concession speech, likely around midnight Paris time (18:00 EDT).
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... This election marks a new phase in French politics with for the first time neither of the main parties - the socialists and the republicans - having a candidate in the run-off.
The two candidates have offered voters starkly different visions of France.
Mr Macron, a liberal centrist, is pro-business and a strong supporter of the European Union (EU), while Ms Le Pen campaigned on a France-first, anti-immigration programme.
She wants France to abandon the euro in the domestic economy, and hold a referendum on France's EU membership.
Polls suggest Mr Macron will win the vote, but analysts have said high abstention rates could damage his chances.
By noon, the turnout was lower than that of the 2012 elections (30.7%) and the 2007 elections (34.11%) at the same point. ...
BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39833831?SThisFB)
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Associated Press (https://apnews.com/d53b11720137407ca1c8b7f665e5602c/The-Latest:-Election-night-site-at-Paris-museum-evacuated)
PARIS (AP) — The Latest on France’s presidential runoff between centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right candidate Marine Le Pen (all times local):
1:20 p.m.
Emmanuel Macron’s campaign press office says the courtyard outside the Louvre museum where the centrist French presidential candidate has planned to celebrate election night has been evacuated because of a security alert.
Campaign spokeswoman Pauline Calmes told The Associated Press that the Esplanade du Louvre, in downtown Paris, was evacuated on Sunday as a precaution. She did not specify the nature of the threat, but says police ordered the evacuation.
Macron picked the dignified internal courtyard of the renowned palace-turned-museum as the location for his celebration party.
The Louvre already was being heavily guarded after an extremist attacker targeted soldiers near the museum during the presidential campaign.
*****rollingeyes*****
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More completely objective reporting from AP (https://apnews.com/91f64d23a96d46098fe2e4c8eb7ca493/Tense-France-chooses-new-president,-deciding-Europe's-fate):
PARIS (AP) — French voters decided Sunday whether to back pro-business independent Emmanuel Macron or far-right populist Marine Le Pen as their next president, casting ballots in an unusually tense and important presidential election that also could decide Europe’s future.
With Macron the pollsters’ favorite, voting stations opened across mainland France at 8 a.m. (0600 GMT) under the watch of 50,000 security forces guarding against extremist attacks. Polling agency projections and initial official results are expected as soon as the final stations close at 8 p.m. (1800 GMT.) ...
:pondering:
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BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39833831?SThisFB)
Associated Press (https://apnews.com/d53b11720137407ca1c8b7f665e5602c/The-Latest:-Election-night-site-at-Paris-museum-evacuated) *****rollingeyes*****
More completely objective reporting from AP (https://apnews.com/91f64d23a96d46098fe2e4c8eb7ca493/Tense-France-chooses-new-president,-deciding-Europe's-fate): :pondering:
The press is so in the tank for the Macaroon.
Reminds me of another election that just passed.
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When is the last time they had a good leader? Cuz they ain't getting one this time.
Probably early 1700's. The French are like a battered woman going back for abuse over and over again.
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Probably early 1700's. The French are like a battered woman going back for abuse over and over again.
That is why Frenchmen have so many mistresses.
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27%, very low turnout, that means also that if one of the candidates can get their constituents to turn out, they could win.
That poll the other day that showed Le Pen far behind was a "snap" poll taken right after the debate. So we will see.
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27%, very low turnout, that means also that if one of the candidates can get their constituents to turn out, they could win.
That poll the other day that showed Le Pen far behind was a "snap" poll taken right after the debate. So we will see.
No idea how it will turn out. Polls in Europe are just as effed up as the polls here because of the media bias, and people have learned to lie to pollsters. That said, never underestimated the ability of the French to vote for their own self destruction.
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27%, very low turnout, that means also that if one of the candidates can get their constituents to turn out, they could win.
BBC reporting the turnout was 63.5%. Polls closing now.
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BBC reporting the turnout was 63.5%. Polls closing now.
See? You can't believe a freakin' poll out there, none. France is terrible among terribles that way. I don't even have faith they'll count the votes properly. The Aristocrats have their preferred candidate, and that will be who wins.
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C-Span is carrying France 24 live now until 3:30 pm ET.
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Well whoever wins, everyone loses. They are both garbage.
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BBC reporting the turnout was 63.5%. Polls closing now.
This is all my fault, I briefly saw a headline, it was about a quarter of the people who abstained. My error.
Too bad, Macron wins in a landslide.
However it goes, I hope it goes better for France.
I understand the EU brings in lots of money; whether I agree with it or not.
Sorry folks, I didn't mean to misstate things. :nono:
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This is all my fault, I briefly saw a headline, it was about a quarter of the people who abstained. My error.
Too bad, Macron wins in a landslide.
However it goes, I hope it goes better for France.
I understand the EU brings in lots of money; whether I agree with it or not.
Sorry folks, I didn't mean to misstate things. :nono:
EU is going to Hell in a handbag, and France is leading the way. With Obama's chosen candidate winning it will be a faster trip. That's not on you, Tom.
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Macron elected French president: estimates
[AFP]
Adam PLOWRIGHT
AFPMay 7, 2017
Paris (AFP) - Pro-European centrist Emmanuel Macron resoundingly won France's landmark presidential election, first estimates showed Sunday, heading off a fierce challenge from the far-right in a pivotal vote for the future of the divided country and Europe.
The victory caps an extraordinary rise for the 39-year-old former investment banker, who will become the country's youngest-ever leader.
He has promised to heal a fractured and demoralised country after a vicious campaign that has exposed deep economic and social divisions, as well as tensions around identity and immigration.
more
https://www.yahoo.com/news/macron-elected-french-president-estimates-180335036.html
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The better of the two choices, even if not by much.
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Looks like the Frogs picked the man child with mommy issues to run their basket case of a country.
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France loses wither way, but it was their bed to make.
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Looks like the Frogs picked the man child with mommy issues to run their basket case of a country.
Well, they had a choice between a bleep and a twit, so they chose as Frenchmen. :shrug:
(I see the posting software didn't like my first choice, so imagine the second choice with an alternate vowel for a second letter.)
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France surrenders to Germany, again.
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France surrenders to Germany, again.
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Looks like the Frogs picked the man child with mommy issues to run their basket case of a country.
Apparently @Frank Cannon you are correct.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/macron-merkel.jpg?w=640&h=426)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/04/former-president-obama-officially-endorses-emmanuel-macron-in-french-election/
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France loses wither way, but it was their bed to make.
Everybody needs to stay the hell out of everybody eles's elections.
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Everybody needs to stay the hell out of everybody eles's elections.
I think Abraxas was just commenting on the the French elections; not trying to influence them.
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I think Abraxas was just commenting on the the French elections; not trying to influence them.
Obviously. The election is already over but the "anti globalists" certainly tried to manipulate it from afar.
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Well, they had a choice between a bleep and a twit, so they chose as Frenchmen. :shrug:
(I see the posting software didn't like my first choice, so imagine the second choice with an alternate vowel for a second letter.)
What......You didn't really say that ...did you? :whistle:
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Obviously. The election is already over but the "anti globalists" certainly tried to manipulate it from afar.
"Anti-globalists"? Isn't it the other way around?
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What......You didn't really say that ...did you? :whistle:
Not according to the posting software, nope... 22222frying pan
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Well this thread has started nicely. :pondering:
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"Anti-globalists"? Isn't it the other way around?
Let's stick to the topic.
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Holy Macron, Batman!
(https://i.imgur.com/bqs6w8D.jpg)
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"Anti-globalists"? Isn't it the other way around?
It went both ways.
Obama injected himself on behalf of Macron.
The international hackers tried to inject themselves on behalf of Le Pen.
Naturally, given France's notorious progressivism and the fact that the Le Pen name is synonymous with perennial fringe candidacy, Macron already had the edge.
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'A woman will be president of France either way, either Angela Merkel or Me.'
Marine Le Pen. (Paraphrased comment made during the last debate.)
Globalists 1, France 0
The jihad will continue.
Just keeping score.
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France elected a Macaroon for President.
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'A woman will be president of France either way, either Angela Merkel or Me.'
Marine Le Pen. (Paraphrased comment made during the last debate.)
Globalists 1, France 0
The jihad will continue.
Just keeping score.
LePen was a globalist in her own right. She vocally supports John Maynard Keynes’s Havana Charter for international economy and trade. This is even to the left of American leftists.
https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/havana_e.pdf
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LePen was a globalist in her own right. She vocally supports John Maynard Keynes’s Havana Charter for international economy and trade. This is even to the left of American leftists.
https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/havana_e.pdf
Anyone outside of France who was pulling for one side or the other to win was behaving in a globalist manner.
I see American idiots on twitter already calling for a "worldwide" conservative party to promote and support "conservatives" like LePen worldwide. Apparently if you say "worldwide" nobody will notice the promotion of globalism.
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LePen was a globalist in her own right. She vocally supports John Maynard Keynes’s Havana Charter for international economy and trade. This is even to the left of American leftists.
https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/havana_e.pdf
Neither is perfect, but LePen seemed to understand that continued Muslim invasion is the greatest threat. Macron has bought into the 'multiculturalism' that will erase Europe. It is a more insidious form of globalism.
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They said Fillon stood a chance if he got in there and then, the scandals hit Fillon. In the election of a few weeks ago, he got 19%, Le Pen something like 24%? 21? In that general area.
Unfortunate but this fellow, Macron, has a JFK type of youth, younger. Sometimes leaders turn out different than we expect.
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Lots of interesting post analysis here: https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
One very interesting graphic:
(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2F6c47766a-3377-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=700)
(link, in case it doesn't display: https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2F6c47766a-3377-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=700)
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La France est morte.
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With that margin of victory, Macron appears he would have routed any of his competitors.
Though, Hollande is a socialist, France has been taking the fight to the terrorists.
The most important thing is immigration, hopefully, they will not be taking in a whole lot.
Just trying to discern the differences.
Wanting to leave NATO and the EU probably didn't strike the public favorably with Le Pen, her immigration stances were probably acceptable.
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Excerpts:
Five reasons why Macron won the French election
He got lucky
He was canny
He tried something new in France
Having established En Marche, he took his cue from Barack Obama's grassroots 2008 US election campaign, says Paris-based freelance journalist Emily Schultheis.
His first major undertaking was the Grande Marche (Big March), when he mobilised his growing ranks of energised but inexperienced En Marche activists.
He had a positive message
He was up against Marine Le Pen
- http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39791036
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Not according to the posting software, nope... 22222frying pan
Blame it on the software! :police:
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From: France has decided, but it is far from over by Cornelia Meyer
The French presidential election reinforced the reversal of fortune in anti-European sentiment. Still, Wilders’ party ranks second in the Netherlands. Britain is poised for Brexit, which will prove to be a painful experience on both sides of the Channel. As for France, it is not over yet: On June 11, the French will elect a new Parliament. Whereas France’s president has sweeping powers, experience tells us that coalitions tend to achieve little.
It will be hard for Macron to obtain a majority in Parliament, given that En Marche! does not yet have the apparatus of an established party at its disposal. Furthermore, during the last stage of the presidential election both the Socialists and Republicans supported Macron, mainly in opposition to Le Pen’s extreme views. Now they will run their own candidates on their own tickets. The FN and the Left Party are also back in the fray.
For the time being Europe may have stemmed the tide of populism, but between fickle majorities, German elections, Brexit, the Greek debt crisis and the Italian banking crisis, the summer of 2017 promises to be politically hot.
Continued: http://www.arabnews.com/node/1096656/columns