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John McCain Confirms: Tax Reform Is "DOA In The Senate"
by Tyler Durden
Nov 6, 2017 2:26 PM
It’s official: The Republican tax reform bill is dead on arrival in the Senate now that John McCain has become the third Republican senator to confirm that he plans to vote against it.
What’s worse for the Trump administration, McCain reportedly wants the bill to receive input from both parties – a criticism that he cited as his reason for voting against the Trump administration’s plan to repeal and replace Obamacare. This is particularly problematic because there’s approximately zero chance that any Democratic lawmakers will break ranks to vote with Republicans, despite President Donald Trump repeatedly saying that he expects to win a modicum of bipartisan support.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-06/john-mccain-confirms-tax-reform-doa-senate
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Good Lord, cancer cannot take this treasonous POS fast enough.
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Good Lord, cancer cannot take this treasonous POS fast enough.
I hate to jump on this bandwagon, but you're right. A mean, vindictive, little man. He may have had a moment of great character and bravery in Vietnam, but it must have changed him. All he's ever done since is find ways of stabbing his "allies" in the back.
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Good Lord, cancer cannot take this treasonous POS fast enough.
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Its weird. McCain seems intent upon making a great many people very very happy when that day finally comes.
I wonder if he thinks he can outlast this administration.
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I hate to jump on this bandwagon, but you're right. A mean, vindictive, little man. He may have had a moment of great character and bravery in Vietnam, but it must have changed him. All he's ever done since is find ways of stabbing his "allies" in the back.
Oh, I do not profess such sentiment with joy, rather profound disgust. Disgust at a total slimeball...McCain.
Whether or not his military service was of great character..certainly more-so than Band of Brother Kerry, I am reminded of Benedict Arnold. Also one lauded for his prior service .. and ending in Treason.
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Oh, I do not profess such sentiment with joy, rather profound disgust. Disgust at a total slimeball...McCain.
Whether or not his military service was of great character..certainly more-so than Band of Brother Kerry, I am reminded of Benedict Arnold. Also one lauded for his prior service .. and ending in Treason.
A great way to look at him! :amen:
It is so disheartening to see these turncoats let their personal animus for Pres. Trump destroy an opportunity to help the American people they supposedly represent. They ought to look at Sen Cruz as an example to follow. Sen Cruz has put aside a lot more than they ever had to deal with from Pres. Trump and he still pushes for the agenda they were elected to enact.
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A great way to look at him! :amen:
It is so disheartening to see these turncoats let their personal animus for Pres. Trump destroy an opportunity to help the American people they supposedly represent. They ought to look at Sen Cruz as an example to follow. Sen Cruz has put aside a lot more than they ever had to deal with from Pres. Trump and he still pushes for the agenda they were elected to enact.
Absolutely, I am a Cruz man through and through. Certainly having my doubts about President Trump, I am pleasantly surprised and hopeful. And yes, Teds actions are the markings of a great man. I follow Ted. :patriot: :beer:
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Surprise! Oh well, I doubt whatever we would have ended up with would be an improvement from what we have anyway, given Republicans recent history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Great news !
Today, I turned on FOX business news to see the host ranting about how the GOP increased the individual tax rate. I thought to myself, FINALLY someone speaks out against the GOP for increasing the LOWEST tax rate for the poorest taxpayers. But alas, he wasn't ranting against that. He was ranting against the GOP for increasing the tax rate on the richest taxpayers.
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They ought to look at Sen Cruz as an example to follow.
LYING TED is still saying the GOP's tax plan "doubles" the standard deduction and lowers everyone's tax rate.
The moron is delusional.
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LYING TED is still saying the GOP's tax plan "doubles" the standard deduction and lowers everyone's tax rate.
The moron is delusional.
I'm pretty sure he does it just to piss you off.
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I'm pretty sure he does it just to piss you off.
He's not the only one. Paul Ryan is his evil twin.
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He's not the only one. Paul Ryan is his evil twin.
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Wow. Paul Ryan was born in Canada too?
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Great news !
Today, I turned on FOX business news to see the host ranting about how the GOP increased the individual tax rate. I thought to myself, FINALLY someone speaks out against the GOP for increasing the LOWEST tax rate for the poorest taxpayers. But alas, he wasn't ranting against that. He was ranting against the GOP for increasing the tax rate on the richest taxpayers.
Oh come on! If you were watching FOX business you would have to be an idiot to not have known that in the first place. And hey, I don't want to raise taxes on anyone. I actually thought this may have helped me.
I am definitely not rich.
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Oh come on! If you were watching FOX business you would have to be an idiot to not have known that in the first place. And hey, I don't want to raise taxes on anyone. I actually thought this may have helped me.
I am definitely not rich.
I turn the channel to FOX business news before I go to bed. So it is the first thing I see when I turn on the TV the next day to check out the business news. Right after I woke up today, I turned on the TV and the English guy was ranting at a guest. The first words I heard were about the GOP raising an individual tax rate. Since I have been ranting for weeks about the GOP raising the lowest tax rate from 10% to 12%... in my still sleepy state of mind, that was my first thought. Then immediately it became clear he was ranting about the GOP's last minute increase [back to the current tax rate] on the highest incomes.
Here's the irony... when so many here were attacking me for my position against the GOP tax plan.... I remember saying that some of them might find out the hard way they will be negatively affected as well.
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So McCain won the coin toss with Chuck Schumer to announce this?
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"Bob Corker has also insisted that he wouldn’t vote for any tax plan that adds even a penny to the debt."
We are surrounded by Keynesian obfuscation and double speak from every corner of 'The Swamp'.
http://www.keynesatharvard.org/
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Thank God for the senile cancer Senator...if not for him who would Trump and GOP blame their impotence.
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And Palin endorsed this man for reelection...
That was the end of my support of Palin...
McCain is the most vile Republican I can think of...
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If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would have locked up Crooked Hitlery.
If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would have built The Wall.
If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would have drained the swamp.
If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would have repealed Obamacare.
If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would have lowered taxes.
If only for McCain...The Trump GOP would not be bending you forward again. 88finger point
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The irony of McCain, of all people, using the term 'DOA' is rich.
The guy is taking some serious Meds. He is going to radiology daily, from what I hear. And his brain is not well. This is some serious stuff for him to still be running around in the Senate.
What we will see over the next months is that he will become increasingly more and more irrational, to the point where he is finally totally out of control. I'm not saying that as a gibe or an insult of any kind. It is a simple unavoidable fact of the reality of his situation.
At this point I wouldn't consider McCain to be a 'Republican' at all. Or a Democrat. I don't think even he knows what he is? He seems to be simply a mean, vindictive, dying old man, who is determined to screw up as much as he possibly can before he finally goes out.
Eventually, probably pretty soon, someone is going to have to take action on his behalf. There won't be a choice in the matter. I take no pleasure in saying this, but the plain fact is, he is going to go crazy relatively quickly. And I don't mean 'funny crazy' like Pelosi. This guy is going to lose his marbles completely. That's just nature doing what nature does.
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The irony of McCain, of all people, using the term 'DOA' is rich.
The guy is taking some serious Meds. He is going to radiology daily, from what I hear. And his brain is not well. This is some serious stuff for him to still be running around in the Senate.
What we will see over the next months is that he will become increasingly more and more irrational, to the point where he is finally totally out of control. I'm not saying that as a gibe or an insult of any kind. It is a simple unavoidable fact of the reality of his situation.
At this point I wouldn't consider McCain to be a 'Republican' at all. Or a Democrat. I don't think even he knows what he is? He seems to be simply a mean, vindictive, dying old man, who is determined to screw up as much as he possibly can before he finally goes out.
Eventually, probably pretty soon, someone is going to have to take action on his behalf. There won't be a choice in the matter. I take no pleasure in saying this, but the plain fact is, he is going to go crazy relatively quickly. And I don't mean 'funny crazy' like Pelosi. This guy is going to lose his marbles completely. That's just nature doing what nature does.
Just be thankful he isn't seated behind the Resolute Desk...
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Bottom line is that none of the promises made -- repeal Obamacare, tax reform, etc. -- will be fulfilled because these ding-dongs can't agree on anything.
And quite frankly, they are all liars. They never had any intention of keeping their word.
Yes, it sounds like a good idea to primary the whole lot of them, but the problem is finding candidates who will be better than the lying thieves we have now. We might find some with good intentions, but once they get to Washington, all their promises are forgotten.
I'm supposed to vote today. An off-season election -- state and local judges and a handful of local races. Nothing earth shattering. I'm really tempted to stay home. But if I do so, it will be so easy for me to stay home next year when the important elections will be held.
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The irony of McCain, of all people, using the term 'DOA' is rich.
The guy is taking some serious Meds. He is going to radiology daily, from what I hear. And his brain is not well. This is some serious stuff for him to still be running around in the Senate.
What we will see over the next months is that he will become increasingly more and more irrational, to the point where he is finally totally out of control. I'm not saying that as a gibe or an insult of any kind. It is a simple unavoidable fact of the reality of his situation.
At this point I wouldn't consider McCain to be a 'Republican' at all. Or a Democrat. I don't think even he knows what he is? He seems to be simply a mean, vindictive, dying old man, who is determined to screw up as much as he possibly can before he finally goes out.
Eventually, probably pretty soon, someone is going to have to take action on his behalf. There won't be a choice in the matter. I take no pleasure in saying this, but the plain fact is, he is going to go crazy relatively quickly. And I don't mean 'funny crazy' like Pelosi. This guy is going to lose his marbles completely. That's just nature doing what nature does.
Yes he is taking some serious medications and also undergoing radiation treatments. But IMHO, he's been a mean and vindictive SOB screwing things up for conservatives for a very long time and while he may be viewed by some as a war hero he has certainly NOT been a hero to our country while in the Senate except to the Democrats and the leftists. Yes, Johnny, thank you for your military service, but your service in the Senate has been a detriment to this country please exit the Senate as quickly as possible; a dishonorable discharge from there is warranted and long overdue!
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Bottom line is that none of the promises made -- repeal Obamacare, tax reform, etc. -- will be fulfilled because these ding-dongs can't agree on anything.
And quite frankly, they are all liars. They never had any intention of keeping their word.
Yes, it sounds like a good idea to primary the whole lot of them, but the problem is finding candidates who will be better than the lying thieves we have now. We might find some with good intentions, but once they get to Washington, all their promises are forgotten.
I'm supposed to vote today. An off-season election -- state and local judges and a handful of local races. Nothing earth shattering. I'm really tempted to stay home. But if I do so, it will be so easy for me to stay home next year when the important elections will be held.
I have used the term 'Water Buffalos' in Africa to describe Washington D.C.
They all have their own things and fights or whatever, but when a threat shows up they all bunch and herd together. That's how they protect each other. The point I am trying to make is that in D.C., off the campaign trail, there are no so called Republicans, or Democrats, they are all Buffaloes herding up to protect each other.
That's why Clinton or Comey or Holder or Lois Lerner will never be prosecuted. Nobody in D.C. wants to set a precedent that any politician ever can be held to the Law. Because they are all worried about themselves. They don't want to establish the idea that 'politicians' could ever go to jail for anything ever.
They may be Republicans on the campaign trail, but once they get to D.C. they all become Buffaloes. Then all they care about is protecting each other to keep the gravy train rolling.
That's why Trump scares the shit out of them. Trump and the American people are mortal threats to establishment politicians and bureaucrats. Americans are the lions on the plains, and the buffaloes are herding up.
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I want to say this while McCain is still alive.
He is a vile, evil corrupt spiteful man. He has never put his country ahead of his own ambition.
As long as he can make it to the Senate he will oppose everything Trump tries to do. Why,
because he hates Trump and he hates Trumps agenda of putting America first. He is also
jealous, unlike him President Trump is a winner, not a sore loser like John McCain.
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And quite frankly, they are all liars. They never had any intention of keeping their word.
That truth became crystal clear when they refused to put a clean OCare repeal bill on Trumps' desk. They put one on Os' desk knowing he'd never sign it. But would not do the same for Trump knowing he WOULD sign it.
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That truth became crystal clear when they refused to put a clear OCare repeal bill on Trumps' desk. They put one on Os' desk knowing he'd never sign it. But would not do the same for Trump knowing he WOULD sign it.
That is the situation in a nutshell.
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
Trump insults McCain's service and long time in Vietnam prison, then wants McCain to love him and vote for whatever Trump wants. Multiply this by numerous Senate and House members, Trump's personal attacks on them, and Trump is dead in the water. The bad part is, Trump doesn't even know his vicious and lying attacks, will cause him trouble when he wants their support. In his mind, an attack he makes should not matter to the person attacked - just love Trump anyway. Trump is detestable and, in my opinion, too mentally sick to know it.
As far as McCain goes, Trump picked on the wrong one - When not loved completely, Trump hits back, when McCain gets attacked, he will "bomb" you completely and that is what he is doing with Trump. This has nothing to do with McCain's cancer, it has to do with Trump attacking him in the worst way, his military service.
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@Smokin Joe
Trump insults McCain's service and long time in Vietnam prison, then wants McCain to love him and vote for whatever Trump wants. Multiply this by numerous Senate and House members, Trump's personal attacks on them, and Trump is dead in the water. The bad part is, Trump doesn't even know his vicious and lying attacks, will cause him trouble when he wants their support. In his mind, an attack he makes should not matter to the person attacked - just love Trump anyway. Trump is detestable and, in my opinion, too mentally sick to know it.
As far as McCain goes, Trump picked on the wrong one - When not loved completely, Trump hits back, when McCain gets attacked, he will "bomb" you completely and that is what he is doing with Trump. This has nothing to do with McCain's cancer, it has to do with Trump attacking him in the worst way, his military service.
I keep saying that despite efforts by Trump and his supporters to put all the blame on Republicans in congress, fact is that Trump also shares the blame. Ok, so he can't draft and introduce legislation, but he could try to work with congress to get things done. He is the president and as such, he should have some influence. But instead of trying to herd this wayward flock, he spends his time complaining about them. No wonder his own party won't work with him.
All of them had better get off their collective duffs and do something, or they will not only lose both houses of congress, but the presidency too. They cannot rely on voters to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore.
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
Trump insults McCain's service and long time in Vietnam prison, then wants McCain to love him and vote for whatever Trump wants. Multiply this by numerous Senate and House members, Trump's personal attacks on them, and Trump is dead in the water. The bad part is, Trump doesn't even know his vicious and lying attacks, will cause him trouble when he wants their support. In his mind, an attack he makes should not matter to the person attacked - just love Trump anyway. Trump is detestable and, in my opinion, too mentally sick to know it.
As far as McCain goes, Trump picked on the wrong one - When not loved completely, Trump hits back, when McCain gets attacked, he will "bomb" you completely and that is what he is doing with Trump. This has nothing to do with McCain's cancer, it has to do with Trump attacking him in the worst way, his military service.
So how do you explain McStain's repeated back stabbings prior to Trump's arrival on the scene?
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
Trump insults McCain's service and long time in Vietnam prison, then wants McCain to love him and vote for whatever Trump wants. Multiply this by numerous Senate and House members, Trump's personal attacks on them, and Trump is dead in the water. The bad part is, Trump doesn't even know his vicious and lying attacks, will cause him trouble when he wants their support. In his mind, an attack he makes should not matter to the person attacked - just love Trump anyway. Trump is detestable and, in my opinion, too mentally sick to know it.
As far as McCain goes, Trump picked on the wrong one - When not loved completely, Trump hits back, when McCain gets attacked, he will "bomb" you completely and that is what he is doing with Trump. This has nothing to do with McCain's cancer, it has to do with Trump attacking him in the worst way, his military service.
Imho, McCain doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Bud Day and James Stockdale, and Trump's dig covered a lot of people who didn't deserve it. Combat pilots can become pedestrians for a lot of reasons, and it just isn't safe up there. When you come down, there is a fair chance someone you were bombing or shooting at is going to be there to greet you, and they will be pissed. Frankly, Trump's attitude makes unnecessary enemies, thin skins or not.
Let 'em all settle it on the bloody playground after school, bare knuckle.
In the meantime, the whole lot of them are there to make decisions and enact such laws as are necessary for the benefit of the Republic. If they aren't mature enough to put aside their petty squabbles for the benefit of this country, not one of them should be in office. I'm not aboutto put this on any single doorstep, but if the Congress doesn't do what they told the people they'd do, they are going to have a problem with the People. Trump will be the least of their worries when they are former members of Congress.
As for repealing Obamacare, when the talk went from "repeal, root and branch" to "repeal and replace", I knew we were screwed. There was never any intention on the part of the GOP in Congress (as a whole) to actually repeal the ACA, and they only went through the impotent motions so long as they knew that no bill would be signed by the POTUS. I believe Trump would have signed a complete repeal bill if they'd passed one.
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I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill. This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.
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So how do you explain McStain's repeated back stabbings prior to Trump's arrival on the scene?
McCain, Collins, Graham, Murkowski, etc.
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I want to say this while McCain is still alive.
He is a vile, evil corrupt spiteful man. He has never put his country ahead of his own ambition.
As long as he can make it to the Senate he will oppose everything Trump tries to do. Why,
because he hates Trump and he hates Trumps agenda of putting America first. He is also
jealous, unlike him President Trump is a winner, not a sore loser like John McCain.
If John Sidney McCain III had been born into any other family than the one he was he would be unknown to most everyone and likely selling used cars somewhere for a living!
He has been a fraud and slacker his entire life!
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There really is something screwy, something is wrong with this McCain fellow.
There is no job in the world that could ever be more important than your freaking Life! He has to know that he is shortening his time on God's green Earth by staying in office. But he doesn't care. Even Castro stepped down when he got too old and too sick to function anymore.
His position in the Senate seems to be more important to him than living is? He should take some time off. Retire. Go take care of yourself. Looking at McCain's bizarre behavior, you really have to ask, "What the hell is wrong with this guy!?"
He may be farther gone than we know. He may no longer be able to make rational decisions about himself. That is possible. And judging by what he is doing, it is likely the truth.
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There really is something screwy, something is wrong with this McCain fellow.
There is no job in the world that could ever be more important than your freaking Life! He has to know that he is shortening his time on God's green Earth by staying in office. But he doesn't care. Even Castro stepped down when he got too old and too sick to function anymore.
His position in the Senate seems to be more important to him than living is? He should take some off. Retire. Go take of yourself. Looking at McCain's bizarre behavior, you really have to ask, "What the hell is wrong with this guy!?"
He may be farther gone than we know. He may no longer be able to make rational decisions about himself. That is possible. And judging by what he is doing, it is likely the truth.
Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.
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Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.
@skeeter
Boy is that ever true. It is like a disease of some kind. Some kind of insatiable lust/greed for money and power. Enough is never Enough. It is more important to them than life itself.
I could never live like that. I can't even imagine thinking like that. I want to have some fun, live my life. I have a bucket list. I want to buy a place in Aruba and chill out. I don't want to have to 'go to work' when I am 90 years old. Maybe they have some kind of mental illness that makes them think that as long as they 'stay in office', they cannot die. It really does look that way.
Something is really wrong with those guys. On a serious level. They are never going to leave office until the paramedics have to pry their hands off their desks. It's a mental illness.
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Called it.
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Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.
Well said and very true! I call it Potomac disease!
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@skeeter
Boy is that ever true. It is like a disease of some kind. Some kind of insatiable lust/greed for money and power. Enough is never Enough. It is more important to them than life itself.
I could never live like that. I can't even imagine thinking like that. I want to have some fun, live my life. I have a bucket list. I buy want to a place in Aruba and chill out. I don't want to have to 'go to work' when I am 90 years old. Maybe they have some kind of mental illness that makes them think that as long as they 'stay in office', they cannot die. It really does look that way.
Something is really wrong with those guys. On a serious level. They are never going to leave office until the paramedics have to pry their hands off their desks. It's a mental illness.
Agree, 'cept I'm not inclined to call what these people do 'work'. They have faceless staff do that for them.
All they really do is soak up attention.
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Agree, 'cept I'm not inclined to call what these people do 'work'. They have faceless staff do that for them.
All they really do is soak up attention.
That's for sure. Look at that half-baked bill they presented. They just threw something together without doing any serious work on it. It shows them to be unserious amateurs at their business of legislating.
I would be embarrassed if I ever presented something so poorly done.
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I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill. This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.
And you and I are never wrong together. :laugh:
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And you and I are never wrong together. :laugh:
Absolutely! 888high58888
(Well, I can be wrong, but I'm not sure about you. You are very thoughtful.)
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
Trump insults McCain's service and long time in Vietnam prison, then wants McCain to love him and vote for whatever Trump wants. Multiply this by numerous Senate and House members, Trump's personal attacks on them, and Trump is dead in the water. The bad part is, Trump doesn't even know his vicious and lying attacks, will cause him trouble when he wants their support. In his mind, an attack he makes should not matter to the person attacked - just love Trump anyway. Trump is detestable and, in my opinion, too mentally sick to know it.
Do you know what I think of Senators and Congressmen who put their personal anger above the interests of the nation? I think they are human garbage.
I don't give a f*** if they get along with the President. I don't give a f*** if they hate him with every fiber of their being. If they are letting their personal feelings get in the way of doing their job, they are committing malfeasance. They are undermining the nation and the will of the people.
They are not dictators who's whims we have to indulge. They are representatives of the interests of their respective populations, and when they refuse to advance those interests, the reasons why are immaterial. They are betraying their people and their duty.
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And you and I are never wrong together. :laugh:
Two rights make a wrong.
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Two rights make a wrong.
We weren't counting you.
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That's for sure. Look at that half-baked bill they presented. They just threw something together without doing any serious work on it. It shows them to be unserious amateurs at their business of legislating.
I would be embarrassed if I ever presented something so poorly done.
That tax bill is what happens when leadership is as weak as this congress's is.
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Agree, 'cept I'm not inclined to call what these people do 'work'. They have faceless staff do that for them.
All they really do is soak up attention.
@skeeter
I've been saying for years that our current Congress is just a fancy a retirement home. And you have to be, at a minimum, at least 65 to 70 years old to get in. The only time I have ever seen a group of people together at their ages was in a geriatric home. I have no problem with age. People can live very productive lives at any age.
But Jesus man, there comes a time when you have to recognize reality. There always come a time to pass the baton. But they don't want to do it. They want to squat in their offices until they literally die.
I'm convinced that it is some kind of mental illness. It is certainly not how normal people would behave.
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I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill. This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.
This may be true, but he isn't doing it for us, he's doing it for his own petty arrogance.
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That tax bill is what happens when leadership is as weak as this congress's is.
That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!
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This may be true, but he isn't doing it for us, he's doing it for his own petty arrogance.
...and, that's why I'm not defending him...
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Absolutely! 888high58888
(Well, I can be wrong, but I'm not sure about you. You are very thoughtful.)
You know it. I'm as deep as a puddle on the drive-way in the south Florida summer sun.
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Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.
Money doesn't matter to them. The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them.
Term limits is the solution. Keep rotating them out, and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied.
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Money doesn't matter to them. The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them.
Term limits is the solution. Keep rotating them out, and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied.
The deterioration of the US Senate can be traced directly to the 17th Amendment, which allowed for popular, direct election of U.S. Senators, who had previously been appointed by the legislatures of each state. Now, instead of representing the broader interests of the state from which they come, Senators are glorified and exalted versions of House Representatives, with more power but less responsibility.
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And quite frankly, they are all liars. They never had any intention of keeping their word.
Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.
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Money doesn't matter to them. The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them.
Term limits is the solution. Keep rotating them out, and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied.
It's the power, not the social status. It's why, not only won't they repeal Obamacare, but also, they are actively looking to force upon us government run health care. They relish the ability to play God and decide who lives and who dies.
I doubt we will ever see term limits. After all, they are the ones who would decide on this issue and no way would they want to give up their power.
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That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!
:thumbsup:
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The deterioration of the US Senate can be traced directly to the 17th Amendment, which allowed for popular, direct election of U.S. Senators, who had previously been appointed by the legislatures of each state. Now, instead of representing the broader interests of the state from which they come, Senators are glorified and exalted versions of House Representatives, with more power but less responsibility.
B I N G O ! ! !
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Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.
Far more than just a few. In fact, I'm hard pressed to find any who aren't liars and thieves.
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John McCain confirms (again) that he is a collaborator.
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@skeeter
Boy is that ever true. It is like a disease of some kind. Some kind of insatiable lust/greed for money and power. Enough is never Enough. It is more important to them than life itself.
I could never live like that. I can't even imagine thinking like that. I want to have some fun, live my life. I have a bucket list. I want to buy a place in Aruba and chill out. I don't want to have to 'go to work' when I am 90 years old. Maybe they have some kind of mental illness that makes them think that as long as they 'stay in office', they cannot die. It really does look that way.
Something is really wrong with those guys. On a serious level. They are never going to leave office until the paramedics have to pry their hands off their desks. It's a mental illness.
I'm with you.
Unbeknownst to me was a financial benefit to taking Social Security early. My son qualifies for benefits until he graduates from HS in 2 1/2 years.
As a result, I'm chilling for the next two years. I'll work part time, doing something that I want to do, such as work in a local wine bar/tasting room.
I can't imagine continuing to work in an unfulfilling job when I can spend time with my 7 year old grandson.
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That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!
Whatever happened to the saying that we voters are their employers? I don't know about anyone else here, but if I treated my employers the way these charlatans treat us voters, I would have been in the unemployment line.
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Whatever happened to the saying that we voters are their employers? I don't know about anyone else here, but if I treated my employers the way these charlatans treat us voters, I would have been in the unemployment line.
And they should be as well! But we also need to take away the tools that allow the K Street people to hold so much power in Washington starting with the current tax code and the IRS!
We should never forget that the 16th and 17th amendments as well as the federal reserve act all came to us in the same year under President Woodrow Wilson! I don't think that was an accident.
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I'm with you.
Unbeknownst to me was a financial benefit to taking Social Security early. My son qualifies for benefits until he graduates from HS in 2 1/2 years.
As a result, I'm chilling for the next two years. I'll work part time, doing something that I want to do, such as work in a local wine bar/tasting room.
I can't imagine continuing to work in an unfulfilling job when I can spend time with my 7 year old grandson.
@Night Hides Not
When I was younger, I worked in an elite very technical environment. We were building and programming satellites. Everything was very serious, very intense. Lot's of pressure all the time.
Very competitive. It was a place where you really could make a lot of money. And we all knew that. My boss couldn't understand me. He was confused why I didn't care? I didn't feel the pressure. It was perplexing him.
I think that I might be a closet hippy. I don't know. But I really just didn't care. I was good at my job. I was coding ADA with pragma C on a supercomputer with an Informix database for the government. And I was good.
My boss asked me, 'What is up with you? Why are you not bothered by any of this? What the hell?'
I looked at him and I said sort of like that Oddball guy in that movie, I said for some reason that I don't know, I said, "You know man, some people just can't hear the music." I was just having fun. I didn't need all the drama.
Sometimes, you just have to take a break, and listen to the music. So many people in my life really just don't get that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o
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Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.
@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living? If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live". What do you call "enjoy"? She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book. Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?
Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s. I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100. I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die. What is the age you want us to stop living?
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@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living? If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live". What do you call "enjoy"? She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book. Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?
Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s. I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100. I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die. What is the age you want us to stop living?
You are coherent though. When you become as incoherent as she is we will gently suggest you retire.
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@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living? If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live". What do you call "enjoy"? She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book. Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?
Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s. I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100. I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die. What is the age you want us to stop living?
Unless you are one of those who live to lord over me - to tell me how to live MY life while you go about living a life of privilege apart then God bless you, work as long as you want.
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@Night Hides Not
When I was younger, I worked in an elite very technical environment. We were building and programming satellites. Everything was very serious, very intense. Lot's of pressure all the time.
Very competitive. It was a place where you really could make a lot of money. And we all knew that. My boss couldn't understand me. He was confused why I didn't care? I didn't feel the pressure. It was perplexing him.
I think that I might be a closet hippy. I don't know. But I really just didn't care. I was good at my job. I was coding ADA with pragma C on a supercomputer with an Informix database for the government. And I was good.
My boss asked me, 'What is up with you? Why are you not bothered by any of this? What the hell?'
I looked at him and I said sort of like that Oddball guy in that movie, I said for some reason that I don't know, I said, "You know man, some people just can't hear the music." I was just having fun. I didn't need all the drama.
Sometimes, you just have to take a break, and listen to the music. So many people in my life really just don't get that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o
Naw, if you had a regular job, you weren't a hippy.
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@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living? If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live". What do you call "enjoy"? She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book. Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?
Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s. I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100. I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die. What is the age you want us to stop living?
Big difference between you and the octogenarians in Congress. Many no longer have the mental faculties that are necessary to being functional legislators. That includes septuagenarians like Pelosi and Thad Cochran.
I'm not done yet, at 63. In addition to spending my time on winery visits, I'm going back to school for a history degree. I'd like to do some serious research on the history of Mosel viticulture, which dares back to the Romans.
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@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living? If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live". What do you call "enjoy"? She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book. Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?
Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s. I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100. I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die. What is the age you want us to stop living?
"Age" is not the issue. It is not at all about 'stop living', it's more about 'start living'. Nobody cares about how old you are, to a point. You're not going to draft 70 year old guys into the Army because that would make no sense.
It's not about how old you are, it is more about being rational and reasonable. It is about sharing the wealth. Pass the baton. My reverse question is when is Enough, Enough? I'm not talking about age here, it's just damn!
Like you said, go write a book. Write a dozen books. Travel around the world. Do whatever you want to do. But, for Christ's sake, give some younger people a break. You can't become a squatter in your office until you die. Not only is it undignified, it is also simply 'not fair'. It is greedy and unbecoming.
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I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill. This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.
I agree. They are all afraid to lower the top margins, for fear of being accused of helping the rich.
This bill doesn't, and will not, do that.
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That truth became crystal clear when they refused to put a clean OCare repeal bill on Trumps' desk. They put one on Os' desk knowing he'd never sign it. But would not do the same for Trump knowing he WOULD sign it.
That's why I won't vote for them in a general election again. I will support conservatives in the primaries and if they aren't on the ballot in the general election I won't vote. Enough is enough!
Tax reform is quickly becoming another example of how little party discipline the Pubs have and how they are liars and cheats. They say they will do one thing during the campaign and then they do another when it's time to follow through. They fund raise promising to do one thing if we will just send them more money and then they don't do it. Liars and Cheats!
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I turn the channel to FOX business news before I go to bed. So it is the first thing I see when I turn on the TV the next day to check out the business news. Right after I woke up today, I turned on the TV and the English guy was ranting at a guest. The first words I heard were about the GOP raising an individual tax rate. Since I have been ranting for weeks about the GOP raising the lowest tax rate from 10% to 12%... in my still sleepy state of mind, that was my first thought. Then immediately it became clear he was ranting about the GOP's last minute increase [back to the current tax rate] on the highest incomes.
Here's the irony... when so many here were attacking me for my position against the GOP tax plan.... I remember saying that some of them might find out the hard way they will be negatively affected as well.
Stuart Varney was the FOX Business host who was ranting. Ironic that the shoe is now on the other foot.
Here's a related news article
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/11/06/economy-misses-out-as-taxes-rise-for-rich-varney.html
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Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.
If you're correct and only 6 Pubs fall into the category of liars and cheats why is it that they still have committee chairmanships and have the party backing them in fund raising? BTW, the "Tuesday morning caucus" is a lot more than 6 and they screwed up the repeal on the House side.
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Whatever happened to the saying that we voters are their employers? I don't know about anyone else here, but if I treated my employers the way these charlatans treat us voters, I would have been in the unemployment line.
They don't care about the voters anymore. Maybe there is a good reason for that.
' It's not who votes that counts but who counts the votes.'
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Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.
Those are among the few who stood up against the GOP's tax fiasco liars like Lying Ted.
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Those are among the few who stood up against the GOP's tax fiasco liars like Lying Ted.
Well, there are no heroes in all this. The tax plan, like the numerous versions of Obamacare "repeal," is not meant to fulfill the promises made by Republicans to the voters. None of them wants to keep their promises. So they are looking to come up with some half-azz legislation, call it tax reform, Trump will sign it without reading it, and all of them can claim they kept their promises. This is what they tried to do with so-called Obamacare 'repeal," but even that failed miserably. Good Grief! They are all so inept they can't even agree on how to bamboozle the voters.
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Those are among the few who stood up against the GOP's tax fiasco liars like Lying Ted.
It's well known here that you're against whatever Senator Cruz is for.
"Lyin' Ted" is an Orange Brigade dog whistle, whose shelf life expired a year ago.
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Clearly, one poster here prefers the current Democrat tax rates.
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@skeeter
Boy is that ever true. It is like a disease of some kind. Some kind of insatiable lust/greed for money and power. Enough is never Enough. It is more important to them than life itself.
I could never live like that. I can't even imagine thinking like that. I want to have some fun, live my life. I have a bucket list. I want to buy a place in Aruba and chill out. I don't want to have to 'go to work' when I am 90 years old. Maybe they have some kind of mental illness that makes them think that as long as they 'stay in office', they cannot die. It really does look that way.
Something is really wrong with those guys. On a serious level. They are never going to leave office until the paramedics have to pry their hands off their desks. It's a mental illness.
When Quentin Burdick was still in office, a friend tried to have a conversation with him on the plane and said he really had trouble with that. His staffers propped him up for his last run, complete with ads of old file footage and voice-overs and got him reelected the last time. The Staffers didn't want to lose their positions.
They are the crew who do the heavy lifting, for the most part, write the stuff, etc.
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If you're correct and only 6 Pubs fall into the category of liars and cheats why is it that they still have committee chairmanships and have the party backing them in fund raising? BTW, the "Tuesday morning caucus" is a lot more than 6 and they screwed up the repeal on the House side.
They are just the ones who will take point because their constituents won't boot them for that particular vote. I think that gets passed around, who will be able to defect from the alleged party line and vote with the dems, depending on the issue. Gun control, until the ACA, was about the only universally radioactive issue.
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Well, there are no heroes in all this. The tax plan, like the numerous versions of Obamacare "repeal," is not meant to fulfill the promises made by Republicans to the voters. None of them wants to keep their promises. So they are looking to come up with some half-azz legislation, call it tax reform, Trump will sign it without reading it, and all of them can claim they kept their promises. This is what they tried to do with so-called Obamacare 'repeal," but even that failed miserably. Good Grief! They are all so inept they can't even agree on how to bamboozle the voters.
I am of the age that no matter what they change, it has been my experience that it will impact me and any changes in my life as badly as possible. I got laid off, they ended income averaging. I start a business, they pass the ACA. Perfect timing, and so forth.
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I am of the age that no matter what they change, it has been my experience that it will impact me and any changes in my life as badly as possible. I got laid off, they ended income averaging. I start a business, they pass the ACA. Perfect timing, and so forth.
Boy if that one doesn't ring true in my life too.
EVERY, and I do mean EVERY GD thing I tried, just to keep a roof over my head and the lights turned on, THEY managed to torpedo.
I dumped the fruits of a decade of scraping, working for someone else into starting my own small, one horse business, and THEY managed to TAX the big companies my customers needed to work at in order to become MY customers right out of town.
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Clearly, one poster here prefers the current Democrat tax rates.
I prefer the current 10% tax rate versus the GOP's proposed 12% tax rate for the lowest income taxpayers.
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I prefer the current 10% tax rate versus the GOP's proposed 12% tax rate for the lowest income taxpayers.
I think we should all pay the same rate. And, not on income.
And, God only asks for 10%. Not sure why Congress thinks they deserve or need more.
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I think we should all pay the same rate. And, not on income.
And, God only asks for 10%. Not sure why Congress thinks they deserve or need more.
I bet over half of Congress would tell you that if you give them more than you give God they'll take better care of you than He does.
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I bet over half of Congress would tell you that if you give them more than you give God they'll take better care of you than He does.
I doubt the idea of God would make much of an impression on most of them, since they behave as if they were God and there's no one above them to call them to account.
Ooops, sorry Roosgirl. My bad. I missed the subtlety you worked in there.
"Congress would tell you"