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Title: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: mystery-ak on April 27, 2017, 12:56:22 pm
Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Published April 27, 2017 Fox News


President Trump and the leaders of Mexico and Canada agreed Wednesday to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the White House said – though Trump warned Thursday he’d be willing to “terminate” the pact if they can’t strike a “fair deal.” 

"It is my privilege to bring NAFTA up to date through renegotiation," Trump said in a statement late Wednesday. "It is an honor to deal with both [Mexican] President [Enrique] Peña Nieto and [Canadian] Prime Minister [Justin] Trudeau, and I believe that the end result will make all three countries stronger and better."

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/trump-agrees-to-renegotiate-nafta-with-canada-mexico-leaders.html
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: geronl on April 27, 2017, 01:14:29 pm
It takes 3 sides to renegotiate it, you can't do it unilaterally
Title: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 27, 2017, 01:30:04 pm
Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Fox News, Apr 27, 2017

President Trump and the leaders of Mexico and Canada agreed Wednesday to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the White House said – though Trump warned Thursday he’d be willing to “terminate” the pact if they can’t strike a “fair deal.” 

"It is my privilege to bring NAFTA up to date through renegotiation," Trump said in a statement late Wednesday. "It is an honor to deal with both [Mexican] President [Enrique] Peña Nieto and [Canadian] Prime Minister [Justin] Trudeau, and I believe that the end result will make all three countries stronger and better."

The White House added that Trump "agreed not to terminate NAFTA at this time" and that all three leaders ""agreed to proceed swiftly, according to their required internal procedures, to enable the renegotiation" of the trade deal to "the benefit of all three countries."

But Trump tweeted early Thursday that his cooperation is contingent on a fair deal being reached.

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"I received calls from the President of Mexico and the Prime Minister of Canada asking to renegotiate NAFTA rather than terminate. I agreed," he tweeted. "... subject to the fact that if we do not reach a fair deal for all, we will then terminate NAFTA. Relationships are good-deal very possible!"

The Mexican government confirmed the conversation in a statement issued late Wednesday.

"The leaders agreed on the convenience of maintaining the North American Free Trade Agreement and working together with Canada to carry out a successful renegotiation for the benefit of all three countries," the statement read.

Trump repeatedly railed against the two-decade-old trade agreement on the campaign trail, describing it repeatedly as a "disaster."

Earlier Wednesday, sources told Fox News that the White House had drafted a notification signaling the United States' intention to withdraw from NAFTA. The document would have given the leaders of Canada and Mexico six months' notice of the administration's intention to exit from the agreement.


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Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 27, 2017, 01:30:53 pm
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Earlier Wednesday, sources told Fox News that the White House had drafted a notification signaling the United States' intention to withdraw from NAFTA. The document would have given the leaders of Canada and Mexico six months' notice of the administration's intention to exit from the agreement.

Winning!  @mystery-ak
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 27, 2017, 01:31:53 pm
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Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: libertybele on April 27, 2017, 01:48:39 pm
Winning!  @mystery-ak

I wouldn't applaud this yet ... we'll see how he renegotiates it.
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: MOD8 on April 27, 2017, 02:35:35 pm
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Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 27, 2017, 02:56:13 pm
I wouldn't applaud this yet ... we'll see how he renegotiates it.

Yes, we can.  The choice is renegotiate to our satisfaction ... or we end it.  Sounds pretty damn good to me. 
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Suppressed on April 27, 2017, 02:59:59 pm
Yes, we can.  The choice is renegotiate to our satisfaction ... or we end it.  Sounds pretty damn good to me.

Sounds pretty anti-American to me.

And by "anti-American", I don't mean some nebulous idea of "American"...I mean, "pertaining to Americans"...those of us who will be paying the burden of this folly.
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 27, 2017, 03:02:01 pm
Sounds pretty anti-American to me.

And by "anti-American", I don't mean some nebulous idea of "American"...I mean, "pertaining to Americans"...those of us who will be paying the burden of this folly.

Thanks for sharing.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: libertybele on April 28, 2017, 12:07:59 am
Winning?  Much too early to tell; we need to see what happens as a result of the negotiations and what the negotiations entail.

Trump says NAFTA negotiations start now -- but they can't

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/donald-trump-nafta-90-days/index.html


NAFTA: Trump plays a risky game with $1.2 trillion in trade


http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/investing/nafta-us-mexico-canada-what-is-at-stake/index.html

Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Suppressed on April 28, 2017, 03:09:14 am
Thanks for sharing.   *****rollingeyes*****

You're so welcome.

I will also share that when it comes to a decision between freedom/NAFTA and big-government/anti-NAFTA, I'll side with prosperity for Americans (NAFTA) over statist interference (anti-NAFTA).
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: corbe on April 28, 2017, 03:15:09 am
Trump: I was 'psyched to terminate' NAFTA

 By Max Greenwood  - 04/27/17 09:53 PM EDT
 

President Trump was poised to withdraw the U.S. from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) before a bevy of advisers and administration officials reportedly talked him out of it.

"I was all set to terminate," Trump told The Washington Post on Thursday. "I looked forward to terminating. I was going to do it."

Trump echoed that characterization in an interview with Reuters, saying he was "psyched to terminate" NAFTA before fielding calls with the leaders of Mexico and Canada.

The president had planned to sign the document triggering a U.S. withdrawal from NAFTA on Saturday – the marker of his 100th day in office. But a group of top administration officials, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, urged the president to reconsider the move, the Post reported.

Trump acknowledged earlier on Thursday that terminating the free trade agreement would be a "shock to the system."

He president explained his change of heart by pointing to phone calls with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

"[Peña Nieto] said to me, 'I would really appreciate if we could negotiate instead of you terminating, because terminating sets a lot of things in motion that could be pretty devastating for a lot of people,'" Trump recalled to the Post.

As a presidential candidate, Trump vowed to withdraw from NAFTA, often disparaging it as "one of the worst deals ever." And while the president decided to keep the agreement in place, he said on Thursday that a U.S. withdrawal is still on the table if negotiations falter.


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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331015-trump-i-was-all-set-to-terminate-nafta (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331015-trump-i-was-all-set-to-terminate-nafta)

Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: endicom on April 28, 2017, 03:20:32 am
I will also share that when it comes to a decision between freedom/NAFTA and big-government/anti-NAFTA, I'll side with prosperity for Americans (NAFTA) over statist interference (anti-NAFTA).


Then you have a problem because NAFTA is big-government statism.
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 28, 2017, 05:05:23 am
Yes, we can.  The choice is renegotiate to our satisfaction ... or we end it.  Sounds pretty damn good to me.

What sounds good?  You don't have any idea what the negotiation will be.  We have to wait and see.  But I will say it again.  Not what he said he was going to do.  I didn't vote for him but you did and he said he would leave NAFTA.

He has done completer reversal on everything Mexico.  I don't know if you can just leave NAFTA.  This makes Trump look like a complete idiot.  He said it over and over on the campaign trail as if it was doable.  Now he realizes that it isn't?  He could get the wall built but now he can't.  He can lower our insurance premiums but now they will be raised even farther.

And taxes too.  If it ends up raising taxes on single mother and lower to middle class Americans Republicans are finished. 

I don't know who is stupid.  Trump or the people who voted for him and believed he could pull it all off.
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: edpc on April 28, 2017, 01:14:49 pm
Well, just like he said to the WSJ....

Mr. Trump dismissed talk about a split inside his White House between aides with a nationalist or globalist orientation. "Hey, I'm a nationalist and a globalist," he said. "I'm both. And I'm the only one who makes the decision, believe me."

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 28, 2017, 01:30:24 pm

I don't know who is stupid.  Trump or the people who voted for him ....

I think they're the people who did not vote for him @Chosen Daughter and choose to denigrate everything the President does.  They're sounding bitter and shallow and very ill-informed about what candidate Trump said he would accomplish as President Trump.  Alas, they are the tiresome and small people we endure.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: libertybele on April 28, 2017, 02:32:26 pm
What sounds good?  You don't have any idea what the negotiation will be.  We have to wait and see.  But I will say it again.  Not what he said he was going to do.  I didn't vote for him but you did and he said he would leave NAFTA.

He has done completer reversal on everything Mexico.  I don't know if you can just leave NAFTA.  This makes Trump look like a complete idiot.  He said it over and over on the campaign trail as if it was doable.  Now he realizes that it isn't?  He could get the wall built but now he can't.  He can lower our insurance premiums but now they will be raised even farther.

And taxes too.  If it ends up raising taxes on single mother and lower to middle class Americans Republicans are finished. 

I don't know who is stupid.  Trump or the people who voted for him and believed he could pull it all off.

Trump isn't stupid; he just thought that running our country was going to be just like running a business; it isn't and it's not. He's going to make money off being President and the 'deals' he cuts.  IF renegotiating NAFTA is going to make him money; he will negotiate it in his favor and hopefully it will benefit America.  As for the people who voted for him in the primaries; they were duped ... hook, line and sinker! 
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 28, 2017, 02:50:39 pm
IF renegotiating NAFTA is going to make him money; he will negotiate it in his favor and hopefully it will benefit America.  As for the people who voted for him in the primaries; they were duped ... hook, line and sinker!

Wow .. this is wrong on so many levels .... including you proclaiming that I was duped.  I posted links to nearly every rally speech candidate Trump gave during the primary and general election cycles in the hopes some of the NT's would at least listen and hear him.  But apparently the opportunity was discarded out of hand by many.

Candidate Trump was VERY clear that he would pull us out of TPP (which he has done) and that NAFTA was the worst agreement in history ... because it hurt American workers.  His promise was to renegotiate the agreement on behalf of American interests ... or end it.  And this is exactly where we are today ... with renegotiation moving forward and withdrawal on the table.

I don't care if you do not believe the President @libertybele or attach some fabricated motivation to his actions --- he is doing what he promised to do.  So please, stop insulting me.

Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: edpc on April 28, 2017, 03:48:27 pm
Candidate Trump was VERY clear that he would pull us out of TPP (which he has done) and that NAFTA was the worst agreement in history ... because it hurt American workers.  His promise was to renegotiate the agreement on behalf of American interests ... or end it.  And this is exactly where we are today ... with renegotiation moving forward and withdrawal on the table.

Yes, but he was also VERY clear that NATO was obsolete and China was a currency manipulator - until they weren't.  It helps with negotiations and credibility, if you're at least somewhat consistent.
Title: Re: Trump agrees to renegotiate NAFTA with Canada, Mexico – for now
Post by: Suppressed on April 28, 2017, 03:51:20 pm
Candidate Trump was VERY clear that he would pull us out of TPP (which he has done) and that NAFTA was the worst agreement in history ... because it hurt American workers.  His promise was to renegotiate the agreement on behalf of American interests ... or end it.

The big-government solution of crushing free trade and pushing mandates and barriers, in order to provide a wealth transfer to "American workers" and business owners who aren't competitive, is at the expense of "American interests".