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Bennett: #NeverTrump-ers put vanity above country; ‘Terrible case of moral superiority’
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/19/bennett-nevertrump-ers-put-vanity-above-country-terrible-case-of-moral-superiority/
August 19, 2016
Larry O'Connor
Former Education Secretary Bill Bennett appeared on Fox News Thursday night to praise Donald Trump’s speech in North Carolina which included an expression of regret for saying hurtful things during the past campaign year.
When asked what groups Trump needs to reach to win the election in November, Bennett singled out one particular group he thinks Trump should not waste his time on:
“He does not need to speak to the “Never Trumpers,” some of my friends – or maybe former friends – who suffer from a terrible case of moral superiority and put their own vanity and taste above the interest of the country.
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Bennett went on to praise Trump’s “moment of humility” and said that this speech, along with his speech about law and order in the African-American community, could put him on the right track toward victory as it will make in-roads to voters in the center and even black voters.
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Actually, it was the Trumpkins who put vanity - and hatred, fear, and spite - above country. If they had cared even slightly about the country, they would have nominated someone who could have won against Clinton, even though that person wasn't as emotionally satisfying because he - or she - wasn't all about making vulgar comments about people and getting into stupid little gutter fights.
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
More Trump-licker B.S. You and your fellow trump-lickers are the ones who will put Clinton into office because you just couldn't help yourselves, you intentionally nominated somebody whom you knew - you were told by hundreds of thousands of people, very credible people - would never beat Clinton. And yet, you went ahead and nominated him anyway because you fell in love with his dirty vulgar mouth; you mistook the ability to yammer out disgusting insults with actually speaking truth to power. The fault is yours, all yours, and now, to cover up your own failings, you act like a mob of brown shirts.
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Trump is a Planned Parenthood-loving liberal.
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Another one of those cases where they use huckster, con artist like arguments. A good sign of both desperation and that they can't actually make a good case for what they are selling. This should be a sign to many that something is very wrong with the Trump campaign. And we've been told trump is the master salesman yet he can't even sell his campaign to his own party.
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Bennett puts party over principles and lies for a con-man.
I have lost any respect I ever had for this guy.
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Well, to tell you the truth I do feel morally superior to those who refuse to vote as their conscience dictates but only do the bidding of the "big man" they think will be the dictator they want.
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What's funny, Bill Bennett is a classic, by definition, establishment Rino. He is usually damned because he has pushed liberal policies on the GOP. example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/09/12/bill-bennett-gets-paid-to-spin-common-core-to-conservatives/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071472/posts
This article doesn't help Trump with those who oppose him, it reinforces why they oppose him.
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Bennett puts party over principles and lies for a con-man.
I have lost any respect I ever had for this guy.
A lot of people have jumped the shark this time.
What a disappointment that a man I used to respect is now calling my ethical framework based on Scripture "vanity."
I suppose I should be thankful that he's not calling me a traitor, though. I guess it could be worse.....
How many former leaders more will lose their principles before election day?
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Well, to tell you the truth I do feel morally superior to those who refuse to vote as their conscience dictates but only do the bidding of the "big man" they think will be the dictator they want.
Yup, and nobody ever gets their own dictator in the end.
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Bill probably did pretty well at those Trump casinos back in his gambling days..............
Bill Bennett's Gambling "Problem"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-bennetts-gambling-problem/article/3895
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Says the author of The Moral Compass and The Book of Virtues.
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This article doesn't help Trump with those who oppose him, it reinforces why they oppose him.
:thumbsup:
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Bill probably did pretty well at those Trump casinos back in his gambling days..............
Bill Bennett's Gambling "Problem"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-bennetts-gambling-problem/article/3895
Maybe his next book will be titled "Comped"
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
How are we going to let Clinton win? There aren't that many of us, remember? We're a dwindling group with no influence, remember?
Your problem is not the NeverTrumpers. You have two problems, and they are your candidate, who is an idiot and a stooge; and the general electorate, who can't stand him.
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Says the author of The Moral Compass and The Book of Virtues.
I read The Book of Virtues and loved it.
I guess he didn't mean it, eh?
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The thing that people like Bennett and many who support Trump don't get is that, to quote another with self perceived moral superiority, "Who Cares?"
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
I see you edited your post..you didn't go far enough
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This article doesn't help Trump with those who oppose him, it reinforces why they oppose him.
As does the trumpansie who posted it...nasty creatures.
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The more they bloviate & browbeat the less likely I am to follow their advise.
Especially a shapeless blowhard like Bill Bennet.
Are they even aware how similar their badgering sounds to the badgering the party did on behalf of McCain, Romney, Dole, etc etc? Its the same ol same ol.
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MOD1 edit: This is a quote of a post Myst pulled above.
gee full on threat. One post on a thread asks for bonus point to sh5t on trump windshield. Keeping it classy.....yep real classy all of you. I had to check to make sure I hadn't logged on to the DUmp. The only difference between here and that place....the us the F word. :seeya:
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Actually, it was the Trumpkins who put vanity - and hatred, fear, and spite - above country. If they had cared even slightly about the country, they would have nominated someone who could have won against Clinton, even though that person wasn't as emotionally satisfying because he - or she - wasn't all about making vulgar comments about people and getting into stupid little gutter fights.
This.
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Bill Bennett lecturing people on the evils of moral superiority.
What are the odds?
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Like I've been trying to tell you guyz....... :shrug:
Time to look in the mirror boyz and girlz!!! Face your demons!!!
888high58888
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“He does not need to speak to the “Never Trumpers,” some of my friends – or maybe former friends – who suffer from a terrible case of moral superiority and put their own vanity and taste above the interest of the country."
He is correct about the fact Trump should not waste time on attempting to shame, ridicule or coerce us into voting for him. He told us repeatedly he did not want nor need 'principled Conservative' votes - and essentially told us to go to hell, he did not want nor would accept our support. His rabid storm trooping militants joined suit and trumpeted the same thing - and vowed they will 'win' without us.
It less to do with 'moral superiority' (which it actually is, if one puts God and biblical principles first), than it does the fact we NeverTrumpers adopted this stance BECAUSE of what Trump himself and his followers said, did and continue to do.
So pound sand there Bill. You made Idolatry of party and a demagogue your god.
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gee full on threat. One post on a thread asks for bonus point to sh5t on trump windshield. Keeping it classy.....yep real classy all of you. I had to check to make sure I hadn't logged on to the DUmp. The only difference between here and that place....the us the F word. :seeya:
Unlike DU it was addressed and taken care of..that's the difference....btw I had to look up what FOAD meant
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gee full on threat. One post on a thread asks for bonus point to sh5t on trump windshield. Keeping it classy.....yep real classy all of you. I had to check to make sure I hadn't logged on to the DUmp. The only difference between here and that place....the us the F word. :seeya:
I apologize to Myst, and the Board in general for that.. to your kind. Not so much, it is the language of trump. Seems when trumpansie poster after poster gets away with slander.... and calling us who will NOT vote for trump as Hillary supporters....in Direct contradiction of Board decorum..and rule.
Well maybe it is appropos to give proper feedback to them.
As for full on threat.... LOL..... the reason is not strong with you is it?
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I apologize to Myst, and the Board in general for that.. to your kind. Not so much, it is the language of trump. Seems when trumpansie poster after poster gets away with slander.... and calling us who will NOT vote for trump as Hillary supporters....in Direct contradiction of Board decorum..and rule.
Well maybe it is appropos to give proper feedback to them.
As for full on threat.... LOL..... the reason is not strong with you is it?
Thanks for the apology...I seldom see one and I appreciate it...
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Unlike DU it was addressed and taken care of..that's the difference....btw I had to look up what FOAD meant
[using trump spin]Merely a spelling error.. I meant "Toad"... as in trump Toad.. the two keys are so close together....small fingers yadda yadda. [/using trump spin] :smokin:
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Moral Superiority or Immoral Inferiority? The choice is easy. Trump is a f***in' LOSER. Losin' F'in Donald.
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Thanks for the apology...I seldom see one and I appreciate it...
De Nada.
We all can catch a moment of flame, my fault this time. And I always try to expand ones vocab.... :whistle:
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Why would so many of us refuse to vote for the nominee of the party we've supported all our lives (in my case, over forty years)?
Vanity? Sore loserism? If only. I am dreading the next four years with Hillary Clinton.
Take a close look at the hot mess you've nominated. See what we see.
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All the negativity. Wow. It would possibly bum me out except we scored tickets to Pagliacci! Woo-hoo! So nothing can upset me tonight.
It will do no good to once again implore everyone to notch it down a bit, if only for the sake of the children, and one's own blood pressure.
I am happy in knowing that I am happy.
I don't know what to say. I genuinely feel sorry for some of you guys. But, as they say in Hebrew, hatslacha! (good luck). Keep fighting the good fight. As long as we all do what it is we feel we are called to do, then at least we will all have clear consciences when it is all over.
And now to get dressed and kill the Paaartyyyyy!
When you're blue and you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits
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gee full on threat. One post on a thread asks for bonus point to sh5t on trump windshield. Keeping it classy.....yep real classy all of you. I had to check to make sure I hadn't logged on to the DUmp. The only difference between here and that place....the us the F word. :seeya:
ALL of us?? There are hundreds of us who don't like Trump who make post after post with nothing that is anything but "classy" and we ALL get broad brushed with your personal attack??
The irony of my seeing you say this tripe after having been attacked by your bosom buddy here and watching you defend her vile post and pile on is almost too much to bear.
And if you DARE say that this place is ANYTHING like DU again, you should be whacked with a wet noodle.
It's hyperbolic nonsense and completely false. And you KNOW it @flowers.
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Why would so many of us refuse to vote for the nominee of the party we've supported all our lives (in my case, over forty years)?
Vanity? Sore loserism? If only. I am dreading the next four years with Hillary Clinton.
Take a close look at the hot mess you've nominated. See what we see.
There is far too much vanity among Trump lovers to admit that THEY are the ones responsible for putting Hillary in the WH.
We will never see any of the militant Trumpers admit what they have done.
You can take that to the bank.
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All the negativity. Wow. It would possibly bum me out except we scored tickets to Pagliacci! Woo-hoo! So nothing can upset me tonight.
It will do no good to once again implore everyone to notch it down a bit, if only for the sake of the children, and one's own blood pressure.
I am happy in knowing that I am happy.
I don't know what to say. I genuinely feel sorry for some of you guys. But, as they say in Hebrew, hatslacha! (good luck). Keep fighting the good fight. As long as we all do what it is we feel we are called to do, then at least we will all have clear consciences when it is all over.
And now to get dressed and kill the Paaartyyyyy!
When you're blue and you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits
Yeah........... flowers was WAY out of line, wasn't she? All that negativity and deceit.....
Thanks for pointing that out for us, 240B. What would we do without you?
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I read The Book of Virtues and loved it.
I guess he didn't mean it, eh?
@musiclady
That was BT (Before Trump).
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So we should put all morality aside, in order to stop Hillary Clinton?
The Evangelical Case for Voting for David Duke (https://mereorthodoxy.com/evangelicals-endorsing-donald-trump/)
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This from the guy who made big dollars on a book about morals.
Oh, the hypocrisy.............. :nono:
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
I am not voting for Trump because I am not a liberal.
PRO ABORT SCOTUS?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423196/trump-praises-his-sister-pro-abortion-extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru
I was thinking of Donald Trump and his gay rights agenda when I heard this news.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/280542-dems-cry-foul-after-house-gop-votes-down-lgbt-measure
There still may be hope.
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@musiclady
That was BT (Before Trump).
Supporting him really does change people, doesn't it?
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it before my very eyes.
Complete transformation of character, values, intellect, everything........... just goes downhill.
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Supporting him really does change people, doesn't it?
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it before my very eyes.
Complete transformation of character, values, intellect, everything........... just goes downhill.
It certainly does. I've seen it happen over and over again. The most glaring and extreme case I can think of involves a person who briefly posted here.
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Supporting him really does change people, doesn't it?
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it before my very eyes.
Complete transformation of character, values, intellect, everything........... just goes downhill.
Brad Thor went from talking about running to stop Trump to supporting Trump and calling those who don't, traitors. All in the space of about 24 hours.
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
Donald Trump a pro-lifer? How has he demonstrated he's pro-life? I believe in actions, not words.
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Donald Trump a pro-lifer? How has he demonstrated he's pro-life? I believe in actions, not words.
Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
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Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
None of that makes any sense on any level, even sarcasm.
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To live with no morals, then judge the moral person for 'moral superiority,' only proves the judge to be amoral.
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Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
:bigsilly:
Pure Trumpkin irrationality on display here. Man you guys are always good for a laugh.
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This from the guy who made big dollars on a book about morals.
Oh, the hypocrisy.............. :nono:
The dude was awfully quiet during the last eight years. When you get pushed aside for Hugh Hewitt, that shows your ratings are below the Mendoza line.
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The dude was awfully quiet during the last eight years. When you get pushed aside for Hugh Hewitt, that shows your ratings are below the Mendoza line.
In morning drive, the most-listened-to daypart in the day, with only Don Imus as national competition. That says a lot.
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Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
According to Conservative Review, Trump supports funding for Planned Parenthood.
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/fact-check-trump-supports-planned-parenthood (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/fact-check-trump-supports-planned-parenthood)
If anyone should understand the fungibility of money, it should be Donald Trump.
Thanks for playing, though.
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In morning drive, the most-listened-to daypart in the day, with only Don Imus as national competition. That says a lot.
Good move by Neil Cavuto, replacing Imus with Maria Bartiromo. It's a nice balance between Fox & Friends and Morning Joe.
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Thanks for playing, though.
Oh yea, thanks. And you too. I am sure we will get to do it a lot more. :pillowfight:
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ALL of us?? There are hundreds of us who don't like Trump
Hundreds? Don't overinflate your importance or your numbers.
But do pay closer attention to the many MILLIONS of us who support Trump.
It will make Nov. 8th easier for you.
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More Trump boot-licker B.S. You and your fellow boot-lickers are the ones who will put Clinton into office because you just couldn't help yourselves, you intentionally nominated somebody whom you knew - you were told by hundreds of thousands of people, very credible people - would never beat Clinton. And yet, you went ahead and nominated him anyway because you fell in love with his dirty vulgar mouth; you mistook the ability to yammer out disgusting insults with actually speaking truth to power. The fault is yours, all yours, and now, to cover up your own failings, you act like a mob of brown shirts.
Excellent post. I have a great deal of respect for Bill Bennett, but it sounds like he has been asleep for the last year. #nevertrump didn't spring up after the convention. We told the GOP that Trump was the wrong guy. We said we couldn't support him. We said we wouldn't volunteer or donate. And we also told them that the great free press would end after the convention. The cowardly GOP could have stopped Trump but failed to act.
I'm putting COUNTRY before party. Trump is not qualified, or deserving of the Presidency. If the voters want Trump or Clinton then they deserve Trump or Clinton. It's not my fault, I've already washed my hands.
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Excellent post. I have a great deal of respect for Bill Bennett, but it sounds like he has been asleep for the last year. #nevertrump didn't spring up after the convention. We told the GOP that Trump was the wrong guy. We said we couldn't support him. We said we wouldn't volunteer or donate. And we also told them that the great free press would end after the convention. The cowardly GOP could have stopped Trump but failed to act.
I'm putting COUNTRY before party. Trump is not qualified, or deserving of the Presidency. If the voters want Trump or Clinton then they deserve Trump or Clinton. It's not my fault, I've already washed my hands.
The RNC loved the ratings from Trump, thinking that it would broaden the base. His vulgar ad hominems should have been sanctioned from the start, but Reince and his gang of RINOs just didn't have the huevos.
Why anyone would ever think of letting Donald Trump having access to the nuclear football is beyond me.
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The RNC loved the ratings from Trump, thinking that it would broaden the base. His vulgar ad hominems should have been sanctioned from the start, but Reince and his gang of RINOs just didn't have the huevos.
Why anyone would ever think of letting Donald Trump having access to the nuclear football is beyond me.
(http://i.imgur.com/8PA4vNh.png)
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Hundreds? Don't overinflate your importance or your numbers.
But do pay closer attention to the many MILLIONS of us who support Trump.
It will make Nov. 8th easier for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBtp9rQnh4
This is the music I picture @sinkspur and @musiclady, et al will be listening to late on the 8th of November....just them with the scotch.
....and the Kleenex. :laugh:
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All the negativity. Wow. It would possibly bum me out except we scored tickets to Pagliacci! Woo-hoo! So nothing can upset me tonight.
Hope you enjoy the show. ^-^
It will do no good to once again implore everyone to notch it down a bit, if only for the sake of the children, and one's own blood pressure.
I doubt we have a lot of younguns on this board.
I am happy in knowing that I am happy.
I'm happy being vicariously happy through your happiness. Plus booze. :laugh:
I don't know what to say. I genuinely feel sorry for some of you guys. But, as they say in Hebrew, hatslacha! (good luck). Keep fighting the good fight. As long as we all do what it is we feel we are called to do, then at least we will all have clear consciences when it is all over.
That actually sounds sincere. Hatslacha back at you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBtp9rQnh4
This is the music I picture @sinkspur and @musiclady, et al will be listening to late on the 8th of November....just them with the scotch.
....and the Kleenex. :laugh:
If Omarosa gets her way, we'll have guns at our heads to be dragged to DC to "bow down" to the King.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBtp9rQnh4
This is the music I picture @sinkspur and @musiclady, et al will be listening to late on the 8th of November....just them with the scotch.
....and the Kleenex. :laugh:
Should we send them a care package with the music DVD and Scotch now? (They can supply their own tissues) :laugh:
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Hundreds? Don't overinflate your importance or your numbers.
But do pay closer attention to the many MILLIONS of us who support Trump.
It will make Nov. 8th easier for you.
There aren't 51 million, and that's what you'll need (in addition to the 14 million) if you're going to win. Trump will never get that number.
What do you think of Trump introducing a plan to legalize those in the country illegally? It's coming Thursday.
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Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
I've never seen a million dollars, so money must not exist.
I've never seen Jesus, so I must worship the devil.
I've never seen the dark side of the moon, so I must be on LSD. :smokin:
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Should we send them a care package with the music DVD and Scotch now? (They can supply their own tissues) :laugh:
Yes please. I'm going to need a lot of scotch to get me to November. Glenlivet single malt.
I am out of tissue...could you send a Trump Pence 2016 T-shirt also?
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I don't get the "NeverTrump" moniker. It is a statement of fact, how can it be insulting? Dude is going to make bank on all this free publicity.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBtp9rQnh4
This is the music I picture @sinkspur and @musiclady, et al will be listening to late on the 8th of November....just them with the scotch.
....and the Kleenex. :laugh:
The election will be called early, DC, and Trump will have to give a concession speech from Mar-a-Lago before 10 PM EST. I suspect it will be the nastiest speech we've yet heard from the Donald as he comes to grip with his loser status. Melania will breathe a sigh of relief as she goes back to her NY penthouse lifestyle, and the kids.....well, they never expected their dad to win this thing anyway.
As for me, I'll be watching until the last nail is driven in the Trump campaign coffin and Sean Hannity slinks off the FOXNEWS set, a beaten man.
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I've never seen a million dollars, so money must not exist.
I've never seen Jesus, so I must worship the devil.
I've never seen the dark side of the moon, so I must be on LSD. :smokin:
Exactly! thanks for making my point..
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Actually, it was the Trumpkins who put vanity - and hatred, fear, and spite - above country. If they had cared even slightly about the country, they would have nominated someone who could have won against Clinton, even though that person wasn't as emotionally satisfying because he - or she - wasn't all about making vulgar comments about people and getting into stupid little gutter fights.
Correctamundo!
Bennett (whom I respect and admire) has it wrong here. I do put the interests of the country first. Which is why I will not vote for a NY liberal.
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I've never seen the dark side of the moon, so I must be on LSD. :smokin:
(http://img12.deviantart.net/fa12/i/2005/110/b/a/dark_side_of_the_moon_remake2_by_normanbates.jpg)
The lunatic is on the grass.
The lunatic is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the loonies on the path.
The lunatic is in the hall.
The lunatics are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
The lunatic is in my head.
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
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Yes please. I'm going to need a lot of scotch to get me to November. Glenlivet single malt.
I am out of tissue...could you send a Trump Pence 2016 T-shirt also?
That reserved for when you run out of toilet paper.
:tongue2:
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A lot of people have jumped the shark this time.
Yup. It's been interesting to see how people sort themselves into sheep or goats over Trump. Very sad in a lot of cases -- Bennett's for example.
Bennett seems unable to believe that people could ever consider Trump to be manifestly unfit for the office of the presidency; just as unfit for the office as Hillary Clinton.
It's not "vanity" to refuse to vote for a candidate who's unfit for the office. And I'd submit that it's worse than irresponsible to let Party loyalty overrule considerations of fitness.
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Supporting him really does change people, doesn't it?
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it before my very eyes.
Complete transformation of character, values, intellect, everything........... just goes downhill.
I've marveled at the transformation myself. I don't believe my old friends supporting Trump are not sincere in their support. However, I do think they listen to talk radio to much. I've never got the idea that any POTUS will or can change the direction of this country on their own. IMO talk radio and sites like TOS have convinced the 15-30% of the country they are the majority. They are not..
Conservatives and the Conservative way of life have always been in the minority. But when times get tough, the 50% that are hurt economically by the politicians wake up and support a candidate like Trump, but it is to late.
Trump offers a ray of hope to those who are desperate, and many find themselves desperate in todays America. Unfortunately, they have hitched their hopes and expectations to someone who, even if he is well meaning, has demonstrated he can't run a political campaign, let alone a country...
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Well, to tell you the truth I do feel morally superior to those who refuse to vote as their conscience dictates but only do the bidding of the "big man" they think will be the dictator they want.
If they are worried about people being morally superior just wait until morals can no longer be found. They will weep for the day that we had morals.
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:thumbsup:
If they are worried about people being morally superior just wait until morals can no longer be found. They will weep for the day that we had morals.
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This is the music I picture @sinkspur and @musiclady, et al will be listening to late on the 8th of November....just them with the scotch.
....and the Kleenex. :laugh:
Just for the record, I don't drink.
And also for the record, I will be mourning on the 8th of November, as I am now, because no matter which of the two main candidates win, the country will have lost.
But as for my conscience, it will be clear, and I can live the rest of my life knowing that I didn't succumb to the pressure of fools to vote for a corrupt, amoral, leftist like Trump.
As for Bennett, anyone who is so arrogant that he thinks he can shame people whose conscience will not allow a vote for an amoral liberal into doing what they know is wrong, has lost his own sense of "virtue" and his reputation for truth telling.
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Just for the record, I don't drink.
And also for the record, I will be mourning on the 8th of November, as I am now, because no matter which of the two main candidates win, the country will have lost.
But as for my conscience, it will be clear, and I can live the rest of my life knowing that I didn't succumb to the pressure of fools to vote for a corrupt, amoral, leftist like Trump.
As for Bennett, anyone who is so arrogant that he thinks he can shame people whose conscience will not allow a vote for an amoral liberal into doing what they know is wrong, has lost his own sense of "virtue" and his reputation for truth telling.
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@musiclady
It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
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As for Bennett, anyone who is so arrogant that he thinks he can shame people whose conscience will not allow a vote for an amoral liberal into doing what they know is wrong, has lost his own sense of "virtue" and his reputation for truth telling.
Well...which is it?
Is he "immoral"? Or "amoral"? :whistle:
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@musiclady
It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
Back to your old name-calling, eh DC?
I guess if that's all you have in response to a thoughtful post, you gotta go with it. Right?
I didn't expect anything different. I never expect anything different from a Trump loyalist.
Derision is pretty much all you do these days.
Can't wait to see if some of your cohorts in ridicule jump in and cheer you on.
Your gang of 8 has become quite predictable.
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Well...which is it?
Is he "immoral"? Or "amoral"? :whistle:
Either works.
He doesn't live by a moral code, so whether he's deliberately defying God's laws, or is unaware they exist and living outside a moral code is unknown.
To simplify for you.......... he's not moral. And is proud about it.
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Totally agree. They are being very selfish.
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@musiclady
It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
That says it well, Never Trumpers are nasty individuals, they probably can't even be trusted to be conservatives or pro-GOP.
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That says it well, Never Trumpers are nasty individuals, they probably can't even be trusted to be conservatives or pro-GOP.
Time for you to take a break Tom. These ad hominems you're slinging are unworthy of TBR.
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This from the guy who made big dollars on a book about morals.
Oh, the hypocrisy.............. :nono:
and lost it in the casinos
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It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
The only reasons third parties can't win is because people like you refuse to consider them and would literally vote for anyone with R. Even Hillary Clinton herself!
It's a mystery how the Trump caucus claims they're, seeing how much they act like asses.
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Totally agree. They are being very selfish.
Selfish? To who? You and the Trumpkins?
YOU elected this clown. YOU get him elected.
Nobody is entitled to my vote.
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Selfish? To who? You and the Trumpkins?
YOU elected this clown. YOU get him elected.
Nobody is entitled to my vote.
Damn right I'm being selfish with MY vote.
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@musiclady
It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
LOL! Have you forgotten that Trump wants to GUT the 1st Amendment because of butthurt over the media?
You ready to do a 180 on amnesty, DC? Looks like that's coming on Thursday.
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Hmmm, "I believe in actions, not words." Have you seen him have an abortion? I didn't think so. So therefore, according to you, he isn't pro-abort. And if he isn't pro-abort, then he is pro-lifer. Enjoy!
I agree with @jmyrlefuller ~ ?? WTH? ?
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That says it well, Never Trumpers are nasty individuals, they probably can't even be trusted to be conservatives or pro-GOP.
A supporter of the nastiest human being to ever run for president now accuses those who don't like his nastiness of nastiness.
I'm getting the impression, Tom, that whatever you do for a living can't be that hard.
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Trump puts himself above country. This whole scampaign is nothing more than a source of income for him as he spends 45% of what is collected paying himself, family and his own companies.
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Nuthin says conservative like demanding electoral welfare.
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Exactly right. We tried to prevent this disaster and now are being blamed for it.
We bear no responsibility for the downfall of the Republican party. The alarms were sounded and were ignored.
This mess lies squarely on the shoulders of the supporters of the leftist creep who will now lose to Hillary.
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That says it well, Never Trumpers are nasty individuals, they probably can't even be trusted to be conservatives or pro-GOP.
I'm sorry, but that's about the purest example of psychological projection that I've ever seen. Are you sure you're not just describing yourself and your Trumpist ilk?
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LOL! Have you forgotten that Trump wants to GUT the 1st Amendment because of butthurt over the media?
You ready to do a 180 on amnesty, DC? Looks like that's coming on Thursday.
LOL! You're looking really desperate, Sink!
It won't be a 180 from me, either, because I fully expect an accommodation of some kind.
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LOL! You're looking really desperate, Sink!
It won't be a 180 from me, either, because I fully expect an accommodation of some kind.
Come on DC you're much smarter than the average Trumpster and certainly know by now that what Trump says changes from day to day. To think that he's going to appoint conservative justices borders on being delusional or downright stubborn. There is no present indicator or past track record that gives a compelling reason to feel he will do anything except swing left and go about his liberal ways.
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Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.” If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently. Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423196/
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Come on DC you're much smarter than the average Trumpster and certainly know by now that what Trump says changes from day to day. To think that he's going to appoint conservative justices borders on being delusional or downright stubborn. There is no present indicator or past track record that gives a compelling reason to feel he will do anything except swing left and go about his liberal ways.
My sole point was that I'm on record as saying in the Summer of 15, that he wasn't going to deport them wholesale...and wouldn't be surprised if "The Wall" isn't completed.
And no matter how dark you want to paint Donald Trump....he's a ray of sunshine next to Hillary.
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Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.” If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently. Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423196/
How sad it is when a pro-Trump poster uses the Supreme Court as a weapon against non-Trump people, even though they know full well that BOTH candidates share the same leftist ideology as the other.
The idea that Trump will choose better SC Justices than Hillary is a sick joke. They are both full fledged pro-abortionists with no regard for the Constitution whatsoever.
And it is TRUMP supporters fault that Hillary will win, regardless. THEY forced on us the only candidate who couldn't beat her, and who, in reality, is doing everything he can to usher her into the WH.
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Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.” If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently. Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423196/
Wow, you give us a link that doesn't work. You say that he said it yesterday. You try to use something that was described a year ago about his sister, who he loves. Dishonest much??
Why don't you look at his list of judges as examples that he would nominate. And he said that they would ALL be PRO-LIFE. This is about the TRUTH, not about being dishonest. But standing for TRUTH!
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How sad it is when a pro-Trump poster uses the Supreme Court as a weapon against non-Trump people, even though they know full well that BOTH candidates share the same leftist ideology as the other.
The idea that Trump will choose better SC Justices than Hillary is a sick joke. They are both full fledged pro-abortionists with no regard for the Constitution whatsoever.
And it is TRUMP supporters fault that Hillary will win, regardless. THEY forced on us the only candidate who couldn't beat her, and who, in reality, is doing everything he can to usher her into the WH.
Yes its incredible that they continue to do their best to deny that he has said these things. Not two years ago within this election cycle. All they are going by is his word that he has given to certain groups and politicians. Namely Evangelicals and politicians who are stupid enough to believe anything he says. Every day should give them a reason to question whether his word is good. But they keep following ****sheep****
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Exactly! thanks for making my point..
Making your point?!? You look like a gibbering monkey. Anybody not brain dead want to explain unknowns "point?" Any Trump fan's want to defend the statement that "nobody has seen Trump pay for an abortion so he must be Pro-Life?"
Any Pro-Trump people want to defend “Look, Planned Parenthood has done very good work for many, many — for millions of women.” -Trump
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/03/01/donald-trump-praises-planned-parenthood-again-attacks-so-called-conservatives-who-disagree/
I'm all for levity, but we are talking about human lives destroyed, dissected, and harvested for "science" and cash. Get a clue Skippy!
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Wow, you give us a link that doesn't work. You say that he said it yesterday. You try to use something that was described a year ago about his sister, who he loves. Dishonest much??
Why don't you look at his list of judges as examples that he would nominate. And he said that they would ALL be PRO-LIFE. This is about the TRUTH, not about being dishonest. But standing for TRUTH!
The "Truth" is your champion has donated more to Planned Parenthood which kills babies and the Clintons than everyone combined on this Web site. And you have the nerve to use as evidence "he said" as some kind of point. He lies non stop. He's taken both sides of virtually every issue he's ever spoken about. And to you his latest words mean something - only to a fool.
That's the truth.
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Yes its incredible that they continue to do their best to deny that he has said these things. Not two years ago within this election cycle. All they are going by is his word that he has given to certain groups and politicians. Namely Evangelicals and politicians who are stupid enough to believe anything he says. Every day should give them a reason to question whether his word is good. But they keep following ****sheep****
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I find it ironic that anyone who supports Trump.......... especially like this one, who is a Trump zealot......... has the audacity to mention the word "TRUTH" in anything he posts.
There is no truthfulness in Donald Trump. He has taken both sides of every issue.... even critical issues like abortion.... not just years ago, but in recent weeks and years.
How can they say they care about truth when they support a pathological liar?
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I find it ironic that anyone who supports Trump.......... especially like this one, who is a Trump zealot......... has the audacity to mention the word "TRUTH" in anything he posts.
There is no truthfulness in Donald Trump. He has taken both sides of every issue.... even critical issues like abortion.... not just years ago, but in recent weeks and years.
How can they say they care about truth when they support a pathological liar?
The answer is, many if not most of Trump's Supporters don't care about truth. They just care about "winning". **nononono*
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I find it ironic that anyone who supports Trump.......... especially like this one, who is a Trump zealot......... has the audacity to mention the word "TRUTH" in anything he posts.
There is no truthfulness in Donald Trump. He has taken both sides of every issue.... even critical issues like abortion.... not just years ago, but in recent weeks and years.
How can they say they care about truth when they support a pathological liar?
If you read his books, you'll understand that to Trump, he isn't lying. He has a different moral compass on 'truth' as most of us. To him, truth isn't truth as we see it, truth is whatever is advantageous at the time for him, and if that changes, the new truth is just as real to him as the old truth- the only underlying factor that is constant is his viewing everything from the prism of the deal he needs to close at the time.
Trump is the type of person who could take a lie detector test and say to totally opposite things and they would both come out as truth to him.
So to Trump, it is all truth and that thinking then bleeds over to those who follow because they see him as genuine so they believe his truth is the same as their truth.
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How sad it is when a pro-Trump poster uses the Supreme Court as a weapon against non-Trump people, even though they know full well that BOTH candidates share the same leftist ideology as the other.
The idea that Trump will choose better SC Justices than Hillary is a sick joke. They are both full fledged pro-abortionists with no regard for the Constitution whatsoever.
And it is TRUMP supporters fault that Hillary will win, regardless. THEY forced on us the only candidate who couldn't beat her, and who, in reality, is doing everything he can to usher her into the WH.
Give it a rest, @musiclady
I'm Pro-Life. And you're the only "sick joke" here, with your schoolmarm lectures and self-righteousness.....as if only you have the corner when it comes to virtue and proper Conservative thought.
But who gives a GD if Trump nominates a Justice that believes in a woman's right to choose motherhood and all its responsibilities?
Get your nose out of other women's business and their personal life.
There a "YUUGE" difference between a Constitutional jurist and one that thinks he should vote to control a woman's right-to-choose.
Want to change it? Change the culture.
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YOU give it a rest! You have made it perfectly clear over the last several months that YOU don't really believe in anything! Other than the Orange wonder that is!
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Give it a rest, @musiclady
I'm Pro-Life. And you're the only "sick joke" here, with your schoolmarm lectures and self-righteousness.....as if only you have the corner when it comes to virtue and proper Conservative thought.
But who gives a GD if Trump nominates a Justice that believes in a woman's right to choose motherhood and all its responsibilities?
Get your nose out of other women's business and their personal life.
There a "YUUGE" difference between a Constitutional jurist and one that thinks he should vote to control a woman's right-to-choose.
Want to change it? Change the culture.
So in other words, in the time of slavery it required a change in culture before anything could be done about it. Think about that for a moment. Because that's what you are saying.
Slavery only came to and end when one side said no more regardless how the other side felt about it or the consequences that followed.
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Give it a rest, @musiclady
I'm Pro-Life. And you're the only "sick joke" here, with your schoolmarm lectures and self-righteousness.....as if only you have the corner when it comes to virtue and proper Conservative thought.
But who gives a GD if Trump nominates a Justice that believes in a woman's right to choose motherhood and all its responsibilities?
Get your nose out of other women's business and their personal life.
There a "YUUGE" difference between a Constitutional jurist and one that thinks he should vote to control a woman's right-to-choose.
Want to change it? Change the culture.
There's so much wrong with this post that I'll let you stew in it rather than try to defend myself against its idiocy.
You've always had a hidden disdain for social conservatism, but as with many others, your Trump love has ripped the mask off.
It's valuable to see what's been underneath the pretense of decency for all these years.
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If you read his books, you'll understand that to Trump, he isn't lying. He has a different moral compass on 'truth' as most of us. To him, truth isn't truth as we see it, truth is whatever is advantageous at the time for him, and if that changes, the new truth is just as real to him as the old truth- the only underlying factor that is constant is his viewing everything from the prism of the deal he needs to close at the time.
Trump is the type of person who could take a lie detector test and say to totally opposite things and they would both come out as truth to him.
So to Trump, it is all truth and that thinking then bleeds over to those who follow because they see him as genuine so they believe his truth is the same as their truth.
Fascinating insight into a true liberal, AbaraXas. He makes up his own "truth" and then believes his lies.
As for his followers, I have no idea how any thinking person could see him as "genuine."
His duplicity is as obvious as anything I've ever seen in politics. I think they have to work very hard to pretend he isn't what he is.
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Damn right I'm being selfish with MY vote.
@Cripplecreek
Worth a repeat.
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Fascinating insight into a true liberal, AbaraXas. He makes up his own "truth" and then believes his lies.
Actually, what she's describing is a sociopath.
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Actually, what she's describing is a sociopath.
Exactly.
A liberal sociopath.
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There's so much wrong with this post that I'll let you stew in it rather than try to defend myself against its idiocy.
You've always had a hidden disdain for social conservatism, but as with many others, your Trump love has ripped the mask off.
It's valuable to see what's been underneath the pretense of decency for all these years.
@musiclady
I haven't seen as many accusations of self-righteousness and sanctimony since I used to frequent the old AOL political chats and boards. The liberals used to constantly hurl them at conservatives.
I'm not saying Trump supporters are liberals, but it's interesting, nevertheless.
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Exactly.
A liberal sociopath.
Wellll, maybe.... but don't even liberals generally hold some sort of fixed idea of right and wrong?
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Hundreds? Don't overinflate your importance or your numbers.
But do pay closer attention to the many MILLIONS of us who support Trump.
It will make Nov. 8th easier for you.
@Right_in_Virginia
If we're so small in number, why do you folks keep trying to convince us to support Trump?
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There's so much wrong with this post that I'll let you stew in it rather than try to defend myself against its idiocy.
You've always had a hidden disdain for social conservatism, but as with many others, your Trump love has ripped the mask off.
It's valuable to see what's been underneath the pretense of decency for all these years.
Bringing people to Christ, I see.
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@musiclady
I haven't seen as many accusations of self-righteousness and sanctimony since I used to frequent the old AOL political chats and boards. The liberals used to constantly hurl them at conservatives.
I'm not saying Trump supporters are liberals, but it's interesting, nevertheless.
What's interesting to me is that, liberal or not, these people think that it's an effective tool in either persuading or bullying someone into compliance with their will.
I especially find the term "self-righteous" revealing, since the ones they're trying to insult with the term are actually the people who believe in their own sinfulness, and that the only righteousness is in God, through Jesus Christ, and that they, themselves, believe their own opinion is superior to a morality that goes back to the beginning of time.
It's another case of black being white and right being wrong.
If we didn't believe in an absolute moral code, not of our own design, we would be more "malleable" and willing to allow Trump's lack of morality and decency to not be a factor for us.
It is the Trump crowd who believes in their own righteousness, and not those of us who find his lack of morality and ethics deplorable.
@CatherineofAragon
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Wellll, maybe.... but don't even liberals generally hold some sort of fixed idea of right and wrong?
Most do, I think. Their opinion as to what is "right" and "wrong" is skewed, but they have it.
What I am saying is that Trump is BOTH a liberal AND a sociopath.
And therefore, dangerous.
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@musiclady
I'm not saying Trump supporters are liberals, but it's interesting, nevertheless.
I'd say that, in general and certainly here, they're not liberals in the sense we typically mean it.
What you're seeing, rather, is behavior that comes from supporting someone, and then having to constantly defend that person's indefensible behavior.
I've actually been there, in a different context. Basically, the person (Trump in this case) identifies himself with a certain stance on a certain issue. At some point the demagogue succeeds in becoming the embodiment of the issue, to the extent that giving up on the person feels like giving up on the issue. And thus, lest we lose on the Big Things, the demagogue must be defended against all opponents, who must be dismissed in the most pejorative terms.
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So in other words, in the time of slavery it required a change in culture before anything could be done about it. Think about that for a moment. Because that's what you are saying.
Slavery only came to and end when one side said no more regardless how the other side felt about it or the consequences that followed.
Don't compare "slavery" with abortion. Homey don't play that.
Over 600K Americans were KIA in the Civil War.
Go find a squirrel and don't forget YOUR tennis racket. :whistle:
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What I am saying is that Trump is BOTH a liberal AND a sociopath.
And what I'm suggesting is that Trump is "liberal" when and if it suits his needs. Living in NYC, "being liberal" can grease a lot of skids.
But I think if he lived somewhere else he'd be "conservative," again as a matter of convenience. Case in point is the way he demagogues the immigration issue.
I think "sociopath" and narcissist (apparently not quite the same thing) are sufficient to describe Trump.
I honestly doubt that he has any firmly held political beliefs.
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Don't compare "slavery" with abortion. Homey don't play that.
Guess what, son: you don't get to define the terms of that particular argument, the basics of which are essentially the same for slaves or fetuses.
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There's so much wrong with this post that I'll let you stew in it rather than try to defend myself against its idiocy.
You've always had a hidden disdain for social conservatism, but as with many others, your Trump love has ripped the mask off.
It's valuable to see what's been underneath the pretense of decency for all these years.
It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.
I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.
Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.
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Guess what, son: you don't get to define the terms of that particular argument, the basics of which are essentially the same for slaves or fetuses.
"Son"? Don't condescend me.
Get lost.
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@Right_in_Virginia
If we're so small in number, why do you folks keep trying to convince us to support Trump?
Well, speaking for myself dear @CatherineofAragon I am not trying to convince you of anything---merely pointing out where the facts do not support assertions.
You do whatever you choose to do. :shrug:
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It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.
I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.
Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.
They really really abhor abortion, but will gladly facilitate Hillary Clinton winning.
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A little bird was looking over my shoulder and saw this headline and made a very good point I have to share. (and this is from a pretty apolitical person who isn't engaged in this race too much).
Which side is acting morally superior?
Only one side is demanding the other side give up or set aside their personal values.
Only one side is attempting to manipulate the other side through guilt, name calling, and personal attacks. (Traitor, Hillary Supporter, you are responsible if Hillary wins).
Only one side is attempting to define the rules of the game based on their own desired outcome.
Only one side is trying to control the individual choices others make.
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They really really abhor abortion, but will gladly facilitate Hillary Clinton winning.
Cognitive dissonance prevails. As it does with strong borders, a robust economy, a strong military, intelligent screening of "refugees" and renewed respect around the world.
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Don't compare "slavery" with abortion. Homey don't play that.
Over 600K Americans were KIA in the Civil War.
Go find a squirrel and don't forget YOUR tennis racket. :whistle:
Yeah. There really is no comparison.
I'll see your 600K and raise you 40 million.
The lives of 40 million have been snuffed out due to abortion.
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@Cripplecreek
Worth a repeat.
They may as well be telling me that I'm putting my 1st or 2nd amendments above the greater good of the country.
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Cognitive dissonance prevails. As it does with strong borders, a robust economy, a strong military, intelligent screening of "refugees" and renewed respect around the world.
A border with a big wall and a big beautiful door. An economy that will continue to wilt as there is less and less the common man can do to get their hands on the resources people like Trump have. A military we can't afford to maintain. And a renewed respect because like Obama, Trump will continue his progression toward socialist policies like mandatory, government-subsidized health insurance just like the rest of the world has.
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What's interesting to me is that, liberal or not, these people think that it's an effective tool in either persuading or bullying someone into compliance with their will.
I especially find the term "self-righteous" revealing, since the ones they're trying to insult with the term are actually the people who believe in their own sinfulness, and that the only righteousness is in God, through Jesus Christ, and that they, themselves, believe their own opinion is superior to a morality that goes back to the beginning of time.
It's another case of black being white and right being wrong.
If we didn't believe in an absolute moral code, not of our own design, we would be more "malleable" and willing to allow Trump's lack of morality and decency to not be a factor for us.
It is the Trump crowd who believes in their own righteousness, and not those of us who find his lack of morality and ethics deplorable.
@CatherineofAragon
Oh, I'll readily admit that I'm no more "righteous" than anyone, nor would I claim to be. But when it comes to Trump, my conscience doesn't just whisper---it screams. I won't disregard it.
Therein lies the problem for some, I believe. They've muzzled their own consciences, and they're angry that others won't follow suit.
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They really really abhor abortion, but will gladly facilitate Hillary Clinton winning.
It is likely Trump has given more to planned parenthood than Hillary has.
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Yeah. There really is no comparison.
I'll see your 600K and raise you 40 million.
The lives of 40 million have been snuffed out due to abortion.
Not going to play games with you, @sinkspur
We were speaking about HOW slavery was eradicated in the United States. And how you can't eradicate abortion and remain politically viable today.
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Don't compare "slavery" with abortion. Homey don't play that.
Over 600K Americans were KIA in the Civil War.
Go find a squirrel and don't forget YOUR tennis racket. :whistle:
Funny how you never answer the tough questions. Just blow them off. I actually think they are very much the same and will eventually go the same way.
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Well, speaking for myself dear @CatherineofAragon I am not trying to convince you of anything---merely pointing out where the facts do not support assertions.
You do whatever you choose to do. :shrug:
Except today you've tried to sell Trump's visit to Louisiana; you asked a member what she needed to hear in order to vote for Trump; and you've posted videos, encouraging us to support him.
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Not going to play games with you, @sinkspur
We were speaking about HOW slavery was eradicated in the United States. And how you can't eradicate abortion and remain politically viable today.
1. Slavery was not eradicated in the United States! It still exists today in many forms the largest of which being a federal government that can take any amount of the fruits of your labor at a whim. THAT is the very definition of slavery!
2. You can't do anything you refuse to try to do!
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Except today you've tried to sell Trump's visit to Louisiana; you asked a member what she needed to hear in order to vote for Trump; and you've posted videos, encouraging us to support him.
Don't sweat it @CatherineofAragon
Just today, Donald Trump picked up over FIFTY black American voters.
....so ALL of you here who won't vote for the GOP Nominee can just sit on your behinds come Election Day. Won't matter a lick. :laugh:
that is....unless you're one the ones in here that publicly stated she's planning on voting for Hillary Clinton. @Suppressed
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It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.
I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.
Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.
Putz here. See you're trying another way to win voters over to Trump that isn't working.
We know Trump, DC. He's spent a year revealing himself to us. Nothing he does or says now will change anything.
He's still unfit for the presidency.
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1. Slavery was not eradicated in the United States! It still exists today in many forms the largest of which being a federal government that can take any amount of the fruits of your labor at a whim. THAT is the very definition of slavery!
2. You can't do anything you refuse to try to do!
WTF @Bigun ??
Can't you stay on point?
Go and buy a bong or something.
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WTF @Bigun ??
Can't you stay on point?
Go and buy a bong or something.
My post is EXACTLY on point! And the fact that YOU are blind to the fact is quite telling!
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Not going to play games with you, @sinkspur
We were speaking about HOW slavery was eradicated in the United States. And how you can't eradicate abortion and remain politically viable today.
Can't eradicate it by punishing the women who have them either, which is what Trump thought a pro-lifer should advocate. He knows nothing about being pro-life.
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Putz here. See you're trying another way to win voters over to Trump that isn't working.
We know Trump, DC. He's spent a year revealing himself to us. Nothing he does or says now will change anything.
He's still unfit for the presidency.
My friend....I am NOT "trying.....to win voters over to Trump".
Not in here.
Been there...done that.
:laugh:
PS: Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.
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Except today you've tried to sell Trump's visit to Louisiana; you asked a member what she needed to hear in order to vote for Trump;
I wasn't selling, @CatherineofAragon, merely correcting---any way I can. I'll use video, articles, graphics---whatever I have at my disposal to correct the torrent of falsehoods so often flooding this forum. I do hope you can handle that.
And I asked the question you cited above only in response to a poster saying Trump supporters never present any reason to vote for Trump. Specifically raise the issue, Catherine, and I will respond.
Otherwise, please know you have my blessings to stew in your own bitterness until the cows come home. I'll only help you out of the stew if you ask for it.
And since we know that won't happen, any further discussion on this between the two of us is foolish and moot.
So that's all.
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Can't eradicate it by punishing the women who have them either, which is what Trump thought a pro-lifer should advocate. He knows nothing about being pro-life.
You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.
He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.
He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.
....and you know it.
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Speaking for the #NeverTrump movement, as a defacto President of NT, I have to point out that we are still debating our goals in the inner circle.
So far what we have as a preliminary agenda is: well, ... umm
We hate Trump above anything else.
We really, really, hate Trump.
We do not support Hillary, but are fine with her winning the Presidency.
And we hate Trump.
We do not support the Libertarian candidate or a write in for Cruz but we do not want Trump or Hillary to win.
NeverTrump does not endorse anyone except a candidate known as "not Trump".
If flaming Leftist Liberal Hlllary winning will defeat the closet Liberal Trump, then it is ok.
And, we really, really, hate Trump, but we sort of don't like Hillary either.
We are the real Republicans and all the other Republicans except us are crazy.
And we hate Trump...because he has tiny-hands and weird skin.
The summary bullet for where we stand is: We support 'nobody' for President 2016!
It is the mythical 'Nobody' ticket that we support. (even though we all know full well that this will get Hillary elected)
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My friend....I am NOT "trying.....to win voters over to Trump".
Not in here.
Been there...done that.
:laugh:
PS: Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.
Can't stand her either. Voting for neither.
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You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.
He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.
He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.
....and you know it.
Pro-lifers KNOW that if abortion is made illegal, women would not be punished for having abortions. Abortionists would.
Trump didn't know that. He answered in a way a pro-choicer thought a pro-lifer would answer.
Because he's not pro-life and never has been.
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If you read his books, you'll understand that to Trump, he isn't lying. He has a different moral compass on 'truth' as most of us. To him, truth isn't truth as we see it, truth is whatever is advantageous at the time for him, and if that changes, the new truth is just as real to him as the old truth- the only underlying factor that is constant is his viewing everything from the prism of the deal he needs to close at the time.
Trump is the type of person who could take a lie detector test and say to totally opposite things and they would both come out as truth to him.
So to Trump, it is all truth and that thinking then bleeds over to those who follow because they see him as genuine so they believe his truth is the same as their truth.
The problem and the reality with that is....there are no 'variations of the truth'. It's either the truth or it isn't. It's like being a little bit pregnant. No such thing.
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Pro-lifers KNOW that if abortion is made illegal, women would not be punished for having abortions. Abortionists would.
Trump didn't know that. He answered in a way a pro-choicer thought a pro-lifer would answer.
Because he's not pro-life and never has been.
During this campaign Trump has always behaved as an over the top caricature of what the left believes conservatives to be.
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Give it a rest, @musiclady
I'm Pro-Life. And you're the only "sick joke" here, with your schoolmarm lectures and self-righteousness.....as if only you have the corner when it comes to virtue and proper Conservative thought.
But who gives a GD if Trump nominates a Justice that believes in a woman's right to choose motherhood and all its responsibilities?
Get your nose out of other women's business and their personal life.
There a "YUUGE" difference between a Constitutional jurist and one that thinks he should vote to control a woman's right-to-choose.
Want to change it? Change the culture.
I would have to say that this is one of the rudest posts I have seen here. I think that personal attacks are not allowed. Calling someone a sick joke unacceptable. If you were trying to show that you have moral superiority to anyone you fail.
As for your argument. It has only been months since we saw the gruesome video's of Planned Parenthood and their baby parts operation. This has always been Conservatively unacceptable. Trump has made promises to people and spoken with a forked tongue. He is or he isn't. He needs to make himself clear.
Excuse us for not realizing that the party we have supported all of these years has changed since Trump stepped onto the scene. I have never understood how the fetus of an American isn't afforded the same rights as all Americans. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Some of these babies who are killed in the womb partial birth abortions are fully formed human beings. We wouldn't think of taking a pregnant dog to the vet and aborting puppies. Yet we allow human beings to be killed and sold on the body part market daily in America. No human worth.
If you were to go to the internet I am sure that you could view fully formed fetuses in the womb full color. I don't know how anyone could argue they don't feel pain. Why is murder OK? I don't get it.
And to further the problem teenage girls are being coerced by family member or significant others to abort their children. They don't even always make the decision it is made for them. And the damage to them mentally is never talked about in politics.
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http://humanevents.com/2006/01/30/abortion-causes-massive-mental-health-problems-for-women/
Abortion Causes Massive Mental Health Problems for Women
Abortion destroys the psychological health of teenage girls. This is the finding of a large new study that has statistics on this point so dramatic that even pro-lifers may have trouble believing them. The pro-abortion lead author of the study, Prof. David Fergusson of Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences in Christchurch, New Zealand, told Australia’s ABC news, in summary, that abortion causes mental health problems, not the other way around, and women’s backgrounds had nothing to do with it.
In what may be the biggest study of its kind, Fergusson and his fellow scientists examined the psychological consequences of abortion for New Zealand women age 15 to 25. Reported the scientists: “Forty-one percent of women had become pregnant on at least one occasion prior to age 25, with 14.6% having an abortion. Those having an abortion had elevated rates of subsequent mental health problems including depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviors and substance use disorders. This association persisted after adjustment for confounding factors.”
Depression, anxiety and other negative effects occurred after the abortions, the researchers said. These are not cases of depressed, drug-addicted or otherwise disturbed women being more likely to abort their children—the abortions preceded the disturbances.
“We were indeed surprised by the results,” he said. “Our expectation was that we would find that young women who had abortions had higher rates, but that was due to selection factors, that is the background of young women predisposed them both to abortion and to mental health problems, and we found that that was not in fact the case. Abortion turns out to be the most common medical surgical procedure that young women actually encounter during adolescence and young adulthood.”
In this study, published in the latest issue of the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, Fergusson and his two collaborators found that girls 15 to 18 who had not gotten pregnant had a 31.2% chance of experiencing major depression. Those who became pregnant but did not have an abortion had a 35.7% chance. But those who had an abortion had an astonishing 78.6% chance.
For anxiety, the statistics were similar. No pregnancy: 37.9%; pregnancy, no abortion: 35.7%; abortion: 64.3%.
And for ideas of suicide, a horrific mark of mental illness, the figures should be enough to convince anyone who cares about young women to desire a ban on abortion for minors. No pregnancy: 23%; pregnancy, no abortion: 25%; abortion: 50%.
Pro-abortion activists cite possible psychological harm to women if they give birth to an unwanted child, but the scientific evidence continues to pile up proving the opposite: Abortion is more psychologically harmful than carrying a child to term.
In its December 2005 report, the South Dakota Task Force to Study Abortion, appointed by Gov. Mike Rounds (R.), cited an expert as saying that “the literature on the psychological effects of abortion conducted over the last several decades indicates that a minimum of 10-20% of women experience adverse, prolonged, post-abortion reactions. This translates into at least 130,000 to 260,000 new cases of serious mental health problems each year in the U.S.”
So who is abortion good for?
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Don't sweat it @CatherineofAragon
Just today, Donald Trump picked up over FIFTY black American voters.
....so ALL of you here who won't vote for the GOP Nominee can just sit on your behinds come Election Day. Won't matter a lick. :laugh:
that is....unless you're one the ones in here that publicly stated she's planning on voting for Hillary Clinton. @Suppressed
Well, those fifty people ought to put him over the line. No doubt we'll see some changes in the polls now.
I'll vote downticket on Election Day, but I'll be damned if I'll vote for the lying con man at the head of the ticket.
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So in other words, in the time of slavery it required a change in culture before anything could be done about it. Think about that for a moment. Because that's what you are saying.
Slavery only came to and end when one side said no more regardless how the other side felt about it or the consequences that followed.
Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism. Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
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Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism. Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
Yes! Some of us are very much aware of all that but I doubt very seriously that you will find many here willing to honestly discuss that, or any other serious subject for that matter, in any great depth.
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Yes! Some of us are very much aware of all that but I doubt very seriously that you will find many here willing to honestly discuss that, or any other serious subject for that matter, in any great depth.
Probably not
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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:
1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.
A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.
People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.
So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.
Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.
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"Son"? Don't condescend me.
Get lost.
Oh, pish. You're a bully, son. And not a very good one, at that.
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It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.
I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.
Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.
I'm exactly the same person with exactly the same values I've always had.
I haven't changed, other than to become more resolved to maintain the values I believe in.
It's those of you on a Republican/Conservative board who've decided to become zealots for an outright leftist who is completely corrupt and doesn't share a single value with Republicans OR Conservatives who have radically changed.
Unless, of course, some of you were in favor of corrupt liberalism before and lied about it.
I prefer to think the best and assume you've changed.
I haven't.
That's what bugs you few the most. Some of us don't have values for sale to the highest bidder.
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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:
1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.
A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.
People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.
So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.
Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.
:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:
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Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism. Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
Absolutely.
Abortion is the modern day equivalent of slavery, both borne out of the same sin..... racism.
Abortion is the deepest stain on the soul of America.
And Trump supports it.
I can't vote for him.
Period.
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Abortion is the modern day equivalent of slavery, both borne out of the same sin..... racism.
Both abortion and slavery are rooted in denying the fundamental humanity of certain classes of people. Certainly black slavery had deep roots in racism.
For abortion, however, there is an element of choice that leads black women to abort their children at a rate far exceeding women of other races. (In NYC, the statistics say that more black babies are aborted than born every year.) The reasons for this are undoubtedly complex, though I suspect that it's often an economic decision, perhaps coupled with a cultural tendency for unmarried black women to become pregnant.
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Both abortion and slavery are rooted in denying the fundamental humanity of certain classes of people. Certainly black slavery had deep roots in racism.
For abortion, however, there is an element of choice that leads black women to abort their children at a rate far exceeding women of other races. (In NYC, the statistics say that more black babies are aborted than born every year.) The reasons for this are undoubtedly complex, though I suspect that it's often an economic decision, perhaps coupled with a cultural tendency for unmarried black women to become pregnant.
You can't omit the fact that the origin of Planned Parenthood was to cause the elimination of the "Negro population" without saying it overtly in public. PP set up its abortion clinics in inner city, mostly black neighborhoods, and preyed on the despair in those neighborhoods to create a 'superior' culture.
The deep tie between eugenics, abortion and the deep desire of the Progressives to get rid of undesirables make the connection between Democrat racism and abortion undeniable.
The Democrats could no longer enslave blacks, so they opted to kill them off before they were born.
And combined together with the "Great Society" which has exacerbated poverty in inner cities, they are succeeding in getting rid of those undesirables that Margaret Sanger hated so deeply.
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I'd say that, in general and certainly here, they're not liberals in the sense we typically mean it.
What you're seeing, rather, is behavior that comes from supporting someone, and then having to constantly defend that person's indefensible behavior.
I've actually been there, in a different context. Basically, the person (Trump in this case) identifies himself with a certain stance on a certain issue. At some point the demagogue succeeds in becoming the embodiment of the issue, to the extent that giving up on the person feels like giving up on the issue. And thus, lest we lose on the Big Things, the demagogue must be defended against all opponents, who must be dismissed in the most pejorative terms.
Progressives in the sense that Teddy Roosevelt was.
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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:
1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.
A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.
People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.
So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.
Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.
Excellent post :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
How do you think you are going to get TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS out of an incontinent prevaricator and supporter of Planned Parenthood?
If your eyes are blue or green, you're a quart low.
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PS: Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.
I read that really quick and thought you said, "Hillary has spent the last 25 years 'relieving' herself to us." LOL.
:peeonobama:
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What's funny, Bill Bennett is a classic, by definition, establishment Rino. He is usually damned because he has pushed liberal policies on the GOP. example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/09/12/bill-bennett-gets-paid-to-spin-common-core-to-conservatives/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071472/posts
This article doesn't help Trump with those who oppose him, it reinforces why they oppose him.
Just someone else trying to use the tactics that Trump used that that appealed to them on us. That dog won't hunt.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.
One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.
The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.
There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
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You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
I'm tired of this crap.
Let's put it this way: WE DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK.
How's that?
Clear it up any for you?
What do you intend to do about it?
Put a gun to our heads and force us to vote for your dictator?
Or shoot us for treason because we will not vote the way you demand?
You all act like a bunch of freaking storm-trooping tyrants, the lot of you.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.
One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.
The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.
There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
This election was lost in the primaries, when a plurality of people decided to support the one individual who consistently polled behind Clinton in a head-to-head General election.
Assigning the blame for the loss is all that's left to be done at this point.
Trump is already setting in place the "rigged system" narrative to blame for his loss. The GOP is blaming Trump's lack of discipline. His supporters are blaming those who don't support him, and his detractors are blaming his supporters.
The ONE thing they all have in common, is that they are all anticipating a Hillary victory.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.
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Yes, I agree, it really does get hard to take at times. But I define the two groups differently. One group has taken a moral position. The other group says, "screw your silly moral posturing, we must all vote for Trump or the Great Evil Hillary will win! Why don't you fools see that?"
To that question I can only say: I have made my choice. I will not compromise my beliefs. If that makes me unwelcome on this site, then so be it, I will leave. It is not posturing, or superiority, or any thing other than this simple decision: I will not vote for a man who lies routinely, who holds no clearly defined position on any topic, and who until very recently was good friends with the other major candidate.
That is my decision. I will not change it. Accept it or don't, I don't care.
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I'm tired of this crap.
Let's put it this way: WE DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK.
How's that?
Clear it up any for you?
What do you intend to do about it?
Put a gun to our heads and force us to vote for your dictator?
Or shoot us for treason because we will not vote the way you demand?
You all act like a bunch of freaking storm-trooping tyrants, the lot of you.
I agree with all your very wise and well thought out points.
I'm not sure what I would do with the 'rat's ass' even if you were generous enough to offer me one.
I'm not sure what the question is that you are 'clearing up', so no. Your response does nothing at all to clear anything up.
What do you intend to do about it?
What intend to do about it is to finish my tea, (very good tea btw, hard to find) and then go to bed.
Put a gun to our heads and force us to vote for your dictator?
On that point you have seen through my cleverly disguised ruse. I'm not sure how you knew based on what I actually wrote (that is assuming you read what I wrote). But yes. I do intend to put a gun to your head and to force you to vote for a dictator. That is exactly what I had planned. But now that you know about it, I'll have to come up with a new plan to force you to vote for a dictator.
Or shoot us for treason because we will not vote the way you demand?
I cannot shoot you as you suggest because dead people only vote for Democrats. It may or may not be a good idea, but it would not further my goal of global domination. I need live people to enslave once I take over the world, so it would not be productive for me.
You all act like a bunch of freaking storm-trooping tyrants, the lot of you.
Yep, that's me. 240b the storm-trooper. I'm just storm-trooping my way all around, all over the place, and forcing people to vote for dictators. Once again, you caught on to me.
Good talking to you. At least it was entertaining.
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Good talking to you. At least it was entertaining.
At least you have Alinsky's Rule No. 5 nailed down perfectly.
So kudos for you for studying up on it.
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This election was lost in the primaries, when a plurality of people decided to support the one individual who consistently polled behind Clinton in a head-to-head General election.
Assigning the blame for the loss is all that's left to be done at this point.
Trump is already setting in place the "rigged system" narrative to blame for his loss. The GOP is blaming Trump's lack of discipline. His supporters are blaming those who don't support him, and his detractors are blaming his supporters.
The ONE thing they all have in common, is that they are all anticipating a Hillary victory.
Luis, it is good to have an opportunity to discuss this with you. I read your post that begins with...
Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:
1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.
I liked it and couldn't agree with you more about point #2. Trump really, really, just simply does not know when to STFU! He has caused his own campaign so much grief over stupid nonsense that he says without thinking.
These are unforced errors. If he could tamp down his ego a little, it would give the press a little room to discuss the dozens of scandals that Hillary is dealing with. He keeps them so busy talking about him, he does this intentionally, that they don't have time to talk about Hillary and her problems even if they wanted to.
And obviously they are going to give Trump all the rope to hang himself with that he wants. They don't want to talk about Hillary, and Trump is helping them more than they ever expected.
But I disagree with some of what you wrote. I do not agree that the game is over already except for assigning blame. No. I think it is far from over. That seems to be a very defeatist attitude.
Also, if "a plurality of people decided to support the one individual who consistently polled behind Clinton" then that means it is over. That's it? I mean by that, the way I see it is we should help the "plurality" out. Who am I to stand against what the majority in the party want, and still claim to support that party. If the majority voted, and that is the vote, then I will support it. They voted Trump. They want Trump. I am able to admit that I may be wrong and they may be right.
To me this is all math and facts. I am not taking this whole thing to the personal emotional level that others do. But above and beyond all that. No matter what, I would not be able to live with myself two years from now knowing that I had an opportunity in front of me to vote against Hillary and Bill Clinton, and I chose not to take it. That would be impossible for me.
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There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing.
Which I do. I fully understand that neither one of the two leading candidates is fit to run the United States of America—something you don't seem to agree. Furthermore, I am most likely to cast my vote for the next highest candidate, a man whom, although I disagree with, I find at least tolerable in the short term and, combined with the votes of millions of others, will likely make the biggest impact on a Presidential election outside the major two parties since Ross Perot.
If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
Now you've totally lost me. You have stooped to a new low, even for a Trump supporter.
Equating refusal to vote for Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) with domestic violence?
You are out of your ****ing mind! Even with the amount of suspension of disbelief to support this guy, only someone insane could post something like that.
Furthermore, I will say this once again: you are not entitled to my vote, solely because the other person is supposedly worse. If neither are fit, neither are fit.
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Some people say, if I stay home in November, I'm voting for Hillary.
I say, if you voted for Trump in the primaries, YOU voted for Hillary.
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Some people say, if I stay home in November, I'm voting for Hillary.
I say, if you voted for Trump in the primaries, YOU voted for Hillary.
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Some people say, if I stay home in November, I'm voting for Hillary.
I say, if you voted for Trump in the primaries, YOU voted for Hillary.
Ditto. Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.
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You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.
He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.
He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.
....and you know it.
The proper way to answer would be to say that women already pay a heavy price for abortion. Abortion deeply wounds women emotionally as well as spiritually - wounds that spill out negatively in other areas of their lives. Abortion hurts women.
But to answer it that way would require an empathy with women that Trump simply doesn't possess. Trump views women first and foremost as sex objects, which is why he has always supported abortion just so that he doesn't get punished with a financial liability should he happen to get a woman pregnant.
And the fact that you, like Trump, can't empathize either speaks volumes about you.
Abortion hurts.
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One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.
ROTFLMAO!!!
The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.
There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
This is the reality. If you wanted Conservatives, who ALWAYS vote their principles, to vote for your candidate, you should have voted for a candidate they can vote for. End.of.story.
You are not going to change enough minds to matter - and even if you could convert every Conservative on this board (which will never ever happen), there are millions upon millions who will never budge an inch.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
If you were to realize the projection involved in that statement, you will have learned a valuable thing.
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Don't compare "slavery" with abortion. Homey don't play that.
Over 600K Americans were KIA in the Civil War.
Go find a squirrel and don't forget YOUR tennis racket. :whistle:
Over 50 million have been shredded, vacuumed, or chemically burned to death, some on the verge of birth, had scissors shoved into the back of their skulls and their brains damaged to the point they died.
Not one of them had committed any more crime other than to exist.
Not one of them was anything less than innocent.
None of them were charged with a crime, and none had a trial.
A few who had made it past all that and yet lived to draw breath were left to die.
It is on par with or beyond the greatest slaughter of any Dictator or political party, ever.
It is the greatest crime against humanity in history.
It is ongoing.
Go ahead, defend that. Defend those who defend that.
Tell your Creator all about that when the time comes.
I will not defend it, nor will I support, nor will I defend those who do.
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They really really abhor abortion, but will gladly facilitate Hillary Clinton winning.
The heavy lifting has already been done. Someone nominated the one person who couldn't beat her. Incidentally, it was the same guy who said he didn't need our votes. Fine, he won't get 'em.
Don't blame us. We didn't wreck the train, we got off at the last station, after we told y'all the bridge was out.
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You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.
He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.
He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.
....and you know it.
Okay, if someone put out a contract on your life, should that be prosecuted?
Of course.
But the person who puts out a 'hit' on their own child should walk?
Even if it is successful?
Logic, schmodgic. Yours fails.
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Speaking for the #NeverTrump movement, as a defacto President of NT, I have to point out that we are still debating our goals in the inner circle.
So far what we have as a preliminary agenda is: well, ... umm
We hate Trump above anything else.
We really, really, hate Trump.
We do not support Hillary, but are fine with her winning the Presidency.
And we hate Trump.
We do not support the Libertarian candidate or a write in for Cruz but we do not want Trump or Hillary to win.
NeverTrump does not endorse anyone except a candidate known as "not Trump".
If flaming Leftist Liberal Hlllary winning will defeat the closet Liberal Trump, then it is ok.
And, we really, really, hate Trump, but we sort of don't like Hillary either.
We are the real Republicans and all the other Republicans except us are crazy.
And we hate Trump...because he has tiny-hands and weird skin.
The summary bullet for where we stand is: We support 'nobody' for President 2016!
It is the mythical 'Nobody' ticket that we support. (even though we all know full well that this will get Hillary elected)
I don't know which of the 70-odd parties 'Nobody" is running for, but I saw him in the movie and he was impressive. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070215/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070215/)
Even if you didn't see the movie that makes as much sense as that post.
I'm voting, for Darrell Castle. Neither of the 'big two' uniparty wings managed to nominate anyone I could support this time, even if I held my nose. I don't hate anyone, I just wouldn't hire them at gunpoint.
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During this campaign Trump has always behaved as an over the top caricature of what the left believes conservatives to be.
Precisely.
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This election was lost in the primaries, when a plurality of people decided to support the one individual who consistently polled behind Clinton in a head-to-head General election.
Assigning the blame for the loss is all that's left to be done at this point.
Trump is already setting in place the "rigged system" narrative to blame for his loss. The GOP is blaming Trump's lack of discipline. His supporters are blaming those who don't support him, and his detractors are blaming his supporters.
The ONE thing they all have in common, is that they are all anticipating a Hillary victory.
There will be one other thing to come of this, if those who supported that fraud have the honesty and guts to admit their mistake. Conservatives can learn from it, the Republicans can learn never to compromise core principles no matter how attractive they find the rantings of a particular candidate. But the latter can't happen if the former doesn't. No one can learn from a mistake they will not admit.
The plethora of excuses already being posted, the swiveling of the guns of blame on those who were told they were neither needed nor desired, the increasing desperation of those who threw in with that charlatan tell me that a significant plurality of GOP voters will not learn one damned thing by this, and be doomed to remain the stupid party destined for the midden of history.
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There will be one other thing to come of this, if those who supported that fraud have the honesty and guts to admit their mistake. Conservatives can learn from it, the Republicans can learn never to compromise core principles no matter how attractive they find the rantings of a particular candidate. But the latter can't happen if the former doesn't. No one can learn from a mistake they will not admit.
The plethora of excuses already being posted, the swiveling of the guns of blame on those who were told they were neither needed nor desired, the increasing desperation of those who threw in with that charlatan tell me that a significant plurality of GOP voters will not learn one damned thing by this, and be doomed to remain the stupid party destined for the midden of history.
With what they did to Cruz and how they butchered the truth in the process with no remorse I don't expect any significant learning to take place. Their problems are not due to ignorance.
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With what they did to Cruz and how they butchered the truth in the process with no remorse I don't expect any significant learning to take place. Their problems are not due to ignorance.
Well, there is a category called "willful ignorance", where people ignore anything to the contrary of their selected belief. I don't expect any recovery from that, much, either, but time will tell. Still, I take note of who is behind who and listen to their reasons. I see it as a litmus test and it will affect how we interact in the future.
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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:
1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.
A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.
People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.
So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.
Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.
Spot on post Luis. Our 2 votes isn't going to win or lose the election. The dozens, perhaps hundreds of readers who were moved by our posts isn't going to win or lose the election. The fact that Trump is Trump is going to lose the election. We have just been pointing out reality.
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Cognitive dissonance prevails. As it does with strong borders, a robust economy, a strong military, intelligent screening of "refugees" and renewed respect around the world.
The real difference between you and us is that you somehow believe Trump would facilitate these things, while we can see from the evidence of his past actions that such imaginings are completely unrealistic.
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Just today, Donald Trump picked up over FIFTY black American voters.
Wow! At that rate, by election day he'll have HUNDREDS of them, likely spread all over the country. That will surely be enough to counteract the millions who wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire...
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Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.
As has Trump. You just refuse to see what's plainly in front of your eyes.
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As has Trump. You just refuse to see what's plainly in front of your eyes.
I've been #NeverTrump for 30 years.
Its kinda funny and sad that just a couple of years ago many Trump supporters including JimKnob at TOS knew Trump was liberal slime just a couple years ago as well.
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I've been #NeverTrump for 30 years.
Its kinda funny and sad that just a couple of years ago many Trump supporters including JimKnob at TOS knew Trump was liberal slime just a couple years ago as well.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430187/william-f-buckley-donald-trump-demagoguery-cigar-aficionado
The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.
So what else can Trump offer us? Well to begin with, a self-financed campaign. Does it follow that all who finance their own campaigns are narcissists? At this writing Steve Forbes has spent $63 million in pursuit of the Republican nomination. Forbes is an evangelist, not an exhibitionist. In his long and sober private career, Steve Forbes never bought a casino, and if he had done so, he would not have called it Forbes’s Funhouse. His motivations are discernibly selfless. . . .
William F Buckley saw through Trump 16 years ago.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430187/william-f-buckley-donald-trump-demagoguery-cigar-aficionado
The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.
So what else can Trump offer us? Well to begin with, a self-financed campaign. Does it follow that all who finance their own campaigns are narcissists? At this writing Steve Forbes has spent $63 million in pursuit of the Republican nomination. Forbes is an evangelist, not an exhibitionist. In his long and sober private career, Steve Forbes never bought a casino, and if he had done so, he would not have called it Forbes’s Funhouse. His motivations are discernibly selfless. . . .
William F Buckley saw through Trump 16 years ago.
Modern 'conservatives' hate Buckley.
Why, earlier in this election cycle, some were asking "What is conservatism?"
And when I responded with Buckley, they began to foam at the mouth.
Today, conservatism is the "Birth of a Nation" crowd. Anything else is not welcome.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.
One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.
The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.
There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
:beer:
That's EXACTLY right. Own up to your ridiculously stupid and selfish decisions. Morons.
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I'm tired of this crap.
Let's put it this way: WE DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK.
How's that?
Clear it up any for you?
What do you intend to do about it?
Put a gun to our heads and force us to vote for your dictator?
Or shoot us for treason because we will not vote the way you demand?
You all act like a bunch of freaking storm-trooping tyrants, the lot of you.
:laugh:
Yeah....that's what we want to do. :whistle: "Shoot you for treason".... :whistle:
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This election was lost in the primaries, when a plurality of people decided to support the one individual who consistently polled behind Clinton in a head-to-head General election.
Assigning the blame for the loss is all that's left to be done at this point.
Trump is already setting in place the "rigged system" narrative to blame for his loss. The GOP is blaming Trump's lack of discipline. His supporters are blaming those who don't support him, and his detractors are blaming his supporters.
The ONE thing they all have in common, is that they are all anticipating a Hillary victory.
BFD, Luis.
You either vote for the GOP Nominee or you're making it easier for Hillary. Own it!
Reagan supposedly polled the same way in August/September, 1980.
Either vote for the GOP Nominee or get Ronald Reagan picture off our masthead.
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You either vote for the GOP Nominee or you're making it easier for Hillary. Own it!
This has nothing to do with vanity. This has nothing to do with sore-loserism.
All Trump has to do is show he's not more dangerous than Hillary. He hasn't done so. He hasn't made the sale, at the most basic of levels.
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Either vote for the GOP Nominee or get Ronald Reagan picture off our masthead.
Reagan would turn his head in disgust at Donald Trump.
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BFD, Luis.
You either vote for the GOP Nominee or you're making it easier for Hillary. Own it!
Reagan supposedly polled the same way in August/September, 1980.
Either vote for the GOP Nominee or get Ronald Reagan picture off our masthead.
You made it easier for Hillary when you chose to support an unelectable loose cannon with the worst negatives of any politician in history, no tangible plan in place to run a national campaign, no real understanding of how our government works and who's consistently polled behind Hillary in the national polls average since before he entered the race.
When you campaigned and voted for Trump, you campaigned and voted for Hillary.
Don't expect me to own the consequences of your actions.
They were after all, your freely-chosen actions.
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You made it easier for Hillary when you chose to support an unelectable loose cannon with the worst negatives of any politician in history, no tangible plan in place to run a national campaign, no real understanding of how our government works and who's consistently polled behind Hillary in the national polls average since before he entered the race.
When you campaigned and voted for Trump, you campaigned and voted for Hillary.
Don't expect me to own the consequences of your actions.
They were after all, your freely-chosen actions.
Put another way, "Look in the mirror, and ask yourself whether I could ever think that my moral stature is at the mercy of your actions. " John Galt
All I ask is that Trump exorcise the petulant boy lurking inside of him. That's all. He hasn't proven that to me.
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BFD, Luis.
You either vote for the GOP Nominee or you're making it easier for Hillary. Own it!
Reagan supposedly polled the same way in August/September, 1980.
Either vote for the GOP Nominee or get Ronald Reagan picture off our masthead.
Nope.
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That's EXACTLY right. Own up to your ridiculously stupid and selfish decisions. Morons.
My thoughts exactly.
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@musiclady
It's a mystery how you don't choke on your sanctimony. :shrug:
A few days late ...but, this post from DC made me smile, so I just had to quote It here.
YOU ROCK, DC! (This is where I would have posted a head-banger emoji, but it seems the available emojis have been cut back for some reason? Hmm?)
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My sole point was that I'm on record as saying in the Summer of 15, that he wasn't going to deport them wholesale...and wouldn't be surprised if "The Wall" isn't completed.
And no matter how dark you want to paint Donald Trump....he's a ray of sunshine next to Hillary.
You're on a roll, DC!!!
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...why would anybody even want to talk to these losers who call themselves "#NeverTrump."
What a thoroughly ill-considered, ill-conceived and discredited "movement."
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...why would anybody even want to talk to these losers who call themselves "#NeverTrump."
What a thoroughly ill-considered, ill-conceived and discredited "movement."
Then why are you wetting your pants over #NeverTrump?
I'll tell you why. You need somebody to blame beside yourself when Trump crashes on November 8.
An MD couldn't get snookered, right?
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It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.
I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.
Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.
Just, wow!
It looks to me like your dam burst! Damn, I wish I could be this honest with #NeverTrumpers here at TBR. But, I know if I were, I'd probably cross the line. Censorship, you know.
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"Son"? Don't condescend me.
Get lost.
That was uncalled for.
Calling you son as if he were your superior.
Uncalled for.
He should stick to more socially acceptable terms like "Class A putz".
Just saying.
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...you chose to support an unelectable loose cannon with the worst negatives of any politician in history, no tangible plan in place to run a national campaign, no real understanding of how our government works and who's consistently polled behind Hillary in the national polls average since before he entered the race.
Well, that's just nitpicking, isn't it? :silly:
I was reminded of this scene from This Is Spinal Tap:
Marty DiBergi: "This tasteless cover is a good indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry."
Nigel Tufnel: That's just nitpicking, isn't it?
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Just, wow!
It looks to me like your dam burst! Damn, I wish I could be this honest with #NeverTrumpers here at TBR. But, I know if I were, I'd probably cross the line. Censorship, you know.
Let's see if I have this straight, a person with nearly 18,000 posts is complaining there is censorship on this forum?
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If the tone of this thread and personal insults don't stop I am locking it...enough already!
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Well, that's just nitpicking, isn't it? :silly:
I was reminded of this scene from This Is Spinal Tap:
Marty DiBergi: "This tasteless cover is a good indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry."
Nigel Tufnel: That's just nitpicking, isn't it?
O/T, if you like Spinal Tap, you'll also enjoy Still Crazy. Great cast, great soundtrack.
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If the tone of this thread and personal insults don't stop I am locking it...enough already!
I won't stand in your way. This is probably the first presidential campaign where none of the candidates has appealed to me, and my first vote was in 1972. With the exception of Hillary or the Green party candidate, I don't care.
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If the tone of this thread and personal insults don't stop I am locking it...enough already!
It might be a mercy.... there's nothing new being said.
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O/T, if you like Spinal Tap, you'll also enjoy Still Crazy. Great cast, great soundtrack.
I vaguely recall that film back in the late '90's, and haven't seen it around since that time. I'll see if I can find it again. For me, Spinal Tap is one of the funniest, and most quotable films ever made. On a scale of 1 to 10, it goes to 11. :laugh:
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If the tone of this thread and personal insults don't stop I am locking it...enough already!
Which is exactly the aim of the Trump supporters posting on it!
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Which is exactly the aim of the Trump supporters posting on it!
I've found that ignoring them is pretty satisfying and it gets easier with practice. :patriot:
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I would have to say that this is one of the rudest posts I have seen here. I think that personal attacks are not allowed. Calling someone a sick joke unacceptable. If you were trying to show that you have moral superiority to anyone you fail.
It's OK @Chosen Daughter . There are a couple of old "friends" here (actually DC was a friend) who think that calling me names proves they are better than I am. They've been using this tactic ever since they fell under Trump's spell to try to make me feel bad for not throwing my life-long values in the trash.
It didn't hurt my feelings months ago, and it doesn't hurt my feelings now. It's just their continued desperation to justify themselves for the very bad choice they've made to crusade for a corrupt, immoral, liberal candidate. They must think their nasty judgmental words against me justifies themselves.
It doesn't.
I'm actually surprised, albeit somewhat amused, that poor @DCPatriot thinks his calling me names makes him look anything but childish.
He KNOWS I ain't no "schoolmarm." 888heartkitty
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It might be a mercy.... there's nothing new being said.
Actually, there was some serious and important discussion on abortion and slavery on this thread.
If you skim over the Trump disruptors' posts, it's still a good thread.
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Let's see if I have this straight, a person with nearly 18,000 posts is complaining there is censorship on this forum?
The censorship of free speech here at TBR didn't start until Donald Trump came on scene, and his nomination became clearly imminent. Get the concept?
There's a few people here in management who do not like Donald Trump including some moderators -- and it shows in their modding... So figure it out, mr. new member, recent free republic banee.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.
One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.
The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.
There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.
You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.
This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
No. I am definitely NOT going to vote for Trump and I am actively making the decision to not vote for Hillary. I refuse to vote for evil. All the Trumpsters and idiots like Hannity put this orange baboon on a pedestal and YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens as a result of your decision. You wanted him, you can have him and if you don't have enough votes to override Hillary, you are responsible for her reign as well. Many of us tried to warn you Trumpsters that the orange jello brain is a fraud, a liberal and Hillary's 'Trump' card to get into the White House.
Those who didn't support Trump aren't responsible for him being the GOP nominee and I sure as heck am not going to be responsible for him being POTUS by voting for him. I didn't support Hillary and I won't vote for her and I am not responsible if she becomes POTUS. If you wanted someone who could have beaten Hillary, you should have promoted and supported someone other than her puppet. The polls indicated on the campaign trail long ago that he would lose to her and that he was the candidate with the least chance of beating Hillary.
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The censorship of free speech here at TBR didn't start until Donald Trump came on scene, and his nomination became clearly eminent. Get the concept?
There's a few people here in management who do not like Donald Trump including some moderators -- and it shows in their modding... So figure it out, mr. new member, recent free republic banee.
And yet you're still posting freely with absolutely NO censorship of your posts.
You really need to stop whining about something that doesn't exist, ac.
If you want a place where no one disagrees with you, there are other options out there.
TBR just happens to be FREE.
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The censorship of free speech here at TBR didn't start until Donald Trump came on scene, and his nomination became clearly imminent. Get the concept?
There's a few people here in management who do not like Donald Trump including some moderators -- and it shows in their modding... So figure it out, mr. new member, recent free republic banee.
The ONLY place on this site where censorship is practiced is in the Trump safe spaces! Everywhere else it isn't and if you say it is you are lying through your teeth!
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Excuse me, if I should say that you are "butt-hurt" over Donald Trump's nomination' management censors me (it seems some words hurt your feelings). That's censorship.
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The ONLY place on this site where censorship is practiced is in the Trump safe spaces! Everywhere else it isn't and if you say it is you are lying through your teeth!
That is such a good point, Bigun. The only place where posts are pulled because of disagreements is in the Trump safe space.
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For you visitors, did you know some moderators here at TBR are neverTrumpers? Now, that shouldn't be a problem – except, that it shows up in their modding.
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Excuse me, if I should say that you are "butt-hurt" over Donald Trump's nomination' management censors me (it seems some words hurt your feelings). That's censorship.
It's only because the mods can't wash your mouth out with soap.
Seriously, do you really think the way you're behaving is getting you anywhere?
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Excuse me, if I should say that you are "butt-hurt" over Donald Trump's nomination' management censors me (it seems some words hurt your feelings). That's censorship.
Nonsense!
Mystery didn't "Censor" you. You made an absolutely false charge on a thread where everyone was in agreement that piling on Trump's car was a bad thing and NO one said ANYTHING bad about Trump, and she told you to cut it out.
That's not "censorship." That's telling you to cut it out and don't try to start a fight...... which is EXACTLY what you were doing.
The post is still there, is it not? It wasn't censored at all.
You're whining about something that simply doesn't exist. You're making it up so you can keep whining.
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For you visitors, did you know some moderators here at TBR are neverTrumpers? Now, that shouldn't be a problem – except, that it shows up in their modding.
Do they realize that one of the OWNERS is a die-hard Trumpite and the other considering voting for him??
They are working like crazy to keep it fair for everyone.
And they are SUCCEEDING.
Stop creating a false picture, ac. The only thing you're accomplishing is making YOU look foolish.
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Excuse me, if I should say that you are "butt-hurt" over Donald Trump's nomination' management censors me (it seems some words hurt your feelings). That's censorship.
Yes, because saying one was anally raped—and implying that's not a valid reason to oppose someone—is a perfectly acceptable discourse.
No wonder you guys support Trump.
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Yes, because saying one was anally raped—and implying that's not a valid reason to oppose someone—is a perfectly acceptable discourse.
No wonder you guys support Trump.
The thing is that he used that vulgar phrase on a thread about the thugs who jumped on Trump's car and EVERYONE agreed that it was terrible.
There wasn't a single negative post about Trump and he still tried to cause trouble on the thread.
Mystery handled it exactly right. Told him it was disgusting. Because it was.
NO "censorship." That's a total fabrication.
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For you visitors, did you know some moderators here at TBR are neverTrumpers? Now, that shouldn't be a problem – except, that it shows up in their modding.
I have to jump in here...this is absolutely not true.....you have no idea what you are talking about.
Most of the MODs are reluctantly voting for Trump and they bend over backwards here to be fair to everyone..I won't have you or anyone else on this forum disparage them as they unselfishly donate their time here at TBR.
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Yes, because saying one was anally raped—and implying that's not a valid reason to oppose someone—is a perfectly acceptable discourse.
No wonder you guys support Trump.
Uh....why does "butt hurt" have to automatically be interpreted as "anally raped"?
Ever have a hemorrhoid? Ever get sick and have diarrhea for a couple of days?
Get your mind right, @jmyrlefuller :whistle:
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You made it easier for Hillary when you chose to support an unelectable loose cannon with the worst negatives of any politician in history, no tangible plan in place to run a national campaign, no real understanding of how our government works and who's consistently polled behind Hillary in the national polls average since before he entered the race.
When you campaigned and voted for Trump, you campaigned and voted for Hillary.
Don't expect me to own the consequences of your actions.
They were after all, your freely-chosen actions.
@Luis Gonzalez
Exactly right.
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Well, it's nice to see this tread reopen.
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I guess NeverTrump was desirous of making yet another obfuscational point.
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I wasn't selling, @CatherineofAragon, merely correcting---any way I can. I'll use video, articles, graphics---whatever I have at my disposal to correct the torrent of falsehoods so often flooding this forum. I do hope you can handle that.
No, you were selling.
And I asked the question you cited above only in response to a poster saying Trump supporters never present any reason to vote for Trump. Specifically raise the issue, Catherine, and I will respond.
When you ask that poster what they need to hear to vote for Trump, it's selling.
Otherwise, please know you have my blessings to stew in your own bitterness until the cows come home. I'll only help you out of the stew if you ask for it.
And since we know that won't happen, any further discussion on this between the two of us is foolish and moot.
So that's all.
@Right_in_Virginia, I've always found that just saying what's on your mind without resorting to the refuge of oily passive-aggressiveness is the best option.
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I guess NeverTrump was desirous of making yet another obfuscational point.
I guess you didn't get your way this time! To bad! So sad!
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I guess NeverTrump was desirous of making yet another obfuscational point.
I locked it so everyone would cool off......don't start it up again or it will get locked for good.
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I guess NeverTrump was desirous of making yet another obfuscational point.
And yet 3 of the first 4 posts are from Trump zealots.
Fascinating how truth is non germane to your posts, ac........
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And yet 3 of the first 4 posts are from Trump zealots.
Fascinating how truth is non germane to your posts, ac........
They were over there high fiveing each other about getting another thread in the main forum that they don't like shut down and oops! It's back!
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Yeah....that's what we want to do. :whistle: "Shoot you for treason"....
Your compatriots at other fora and on social media have been quite direct in their promise to carry such threats out on those of us whom they have already blamed should Trump "lose" to the Mao Pantsuit.
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Uh....why does "butt hurt" have to automatically be interpreted as "anally raped"?
Ever have a hemorrhoid? Ever get sick and have diarrhea for a couple of days?
Get your mind right, @jmyrlefuller :whistle:
That's not at all what you mean, and you know it. The accusation has been made more than once that we opponents of Trump are simply "butthurt" because Cruz lost; as in, it was directly caused by the act of Trump winning the primary in a hostile and divisive manner. I would hope that I don't have to extend the metaphor of forced entry, as this is a public forum, but it should be clear.
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They were over there high fiveing each other about getting another thread in the main forum that they don't like shut down and oops! It's back!
That makes it sound like an active campaign to disrupt the forum. I've read elsewhere on the forum that that kind of behavior isn't tolerated.
Guess we'll see.
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They were over there high fiveing each other about getting another thread in the main forum that they don't like shut down and oops! It's back!
Wow. They're even more dishonorable than I thought............ and that was bad enough.
They have their own safe space where they can say whatever they want and we can't counter it with truth, and they STILL come to the main forum (the real one) and try to shut down threads?
Yikes.
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That's not at all what you mean, and you know it. The accusation has been made more than once that we opponents of Trump are simply "butthurt" because Cruz lost; as in, it was directly caused by the act of Trump winning the primary in a hostile and divisive manner. I would hope that I don't have to extend the metaphor of forced entry, as this is a public forum, but it should be clear.
Uh, Carnack....
Please don't tell me WTF I meant. :whistle:
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Your compatriots at other fora and on social media have been quite direct in their promise to carry such threats out on those of us whom they have already blamed should Trump "lose" to the Mao Pantsuit.
I don't give a crap what other 'fora' say.
You've never read a threat like that here, so stuff it.
NOTE to jmyrlefuller......don't read too much into that. :laugh:
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That's not at all what you mean, and you know it. The accusation has been made more than once that we opponents of Trump are simply "butthurt" because Cruz lost; as in, it was directly caused by the act of Trump winning the primary in a hostile and divisive manner. I would hope that I don't have to extend the metaphor of forced entry, as this is a public forum, but it should be clear.
The interesting thing is that aligncare used that vulgar attack on a thread where no one had said a word against Trump.
It was simply an effort to disrupt the thread and pick a fight like a school yard thug.
(And from what has been revealed here, apparently to shut down the thread and be congratulated by other thugs......)
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I don't give a crap what other 'fora' say.
You've never read a threat like that here, so stuff it.
NOTE to jmyrlefuller......don't read too much into that. :laugh:
I was told straight up that I would be 'taken out' if I continued to be negative toward Trump. Kept a screenshot for posterity. Of course, I didn't take it seriously but another person might have.
Generally, when I'm threatened not to criticize someone in authority, that's a sign to me to double down. I read too much Tocqueville when I was young so I believe the more one is told they are not supposed to question power, that is the time when you are supposed to question it the most. So every time I'm called a traitor or some chairborne ranger makes what they think is a threat, I'm going to double down.
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The interesting thing is that aligncare used that vulgar attack on a thread where no one had said a word against Trump.
It was simply an effort to disrupt the thread and pick a fight like a school yard thug.
(And from what has been revealed here, apparently to shut down the thread and be congratulated by other thugs......)
Nobody is looking to shut down threads.
Au Contraire.........it's better to keep them open and show the world just what and who've you become.
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I know I like to see them un-locked. It lets all see what is going on here.
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I was told straight up that I would be 'taken out' if I continued to be negative toward Trump. Kept a screenshot for posterity. Of course, I didn't take it seriously but another person might have.
Generally, when I'm threatened not to criticize someone in authority, that's a sign to me to double down. I read too much Tocqueville when I was young so I believe the more one is told they are not supposed to question power, that is the time when you are supposed to question it the most. So every time I'm called a traitor or some chairborne ranger makes what they think is a threat, I'm going to double down.
That's fair enough, AbaraXas!
I wasn't aware somebody in here threatened to "take you out". That's quite a charge?
Care to share it with us? Or, are we supposed to take it on faith?
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Nobody is looking to shut down threads.
Au Contraire.........it's better to keep them open and show the world just what and who've you become.
What? A principled Constitutional Conservative with values who expects integrity and character in a President? SHAME on me.
Yeah............ I'm sure you want everyone to see who I've "become," DC.
The EXACT person I was when you called me "friend."
I haven't changed ol' buddy. YOU have.
And your using 6th grade insults against me doesn't really make me look bad. Just you. So if you're trying to hurt me, it's an epic fail. And the more you try, the worse you look, DC. So it may be in your best interest......... emotionally, that is......... to quit trying.
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I know I like to see them un-locked. It lets all see what is going on here.
Yes. Trump lovers trying to disrupt adult conversation with 6th grade taunts.
I'm SURE you want everyone to see that, flowers...... :silly:
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What? A principled Constitutional Conservative with values who expects integrity and character in a President? SHAME on me.
Yeah............ I'm sure you want everyone to see who I've "become," DC.
The EXACT person I was when you called me "friend."
I haven't changed ol' buddy. YOU have.
And your using 6th grade insults against me doesn't really make me look bad. Just you. So if you're trying to hurt me, it's an epic fail. And the more you try, the worse you look, DC. So it may be in your best interest......... emotionally, that is......... to quit trying.
Have you noticed.....how the Trump camp has ramped up the insults, passive aggressive taunts and attacks and snark lately? Methinks they're (finally) starting to get nervous over Trump's "real" agenda and recent flip-flops. Expect them to double-down on the trolling from here on until election day.
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What? A principled Constitutional Conservative with values who expects integrity and character in a President? SHAME on me.
Yeah............ I'm sure you want everyone to see who I've "become," DC.
The EXACT person I was when you called me "friend."
I haven't changed ol' buddy. YOU have.
And your using 6th grade insults against me doesn't really make me look bad. Just you. So if you're trying to hurt me, it's an epic fail. And the more you try, the worse you look, DC. So it may be in your best interest......... emotionally, that is......... to quit trying.
**nononono*
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Have you noticed.....how the Trump camp has ramped up the insults, passive aggressive taunts and attacks and snark lately? Methinks they're (finally) starting to get nervous over Trump's "real" agenda and recent flip-flops. Expect them to double-down on the trolling from here on until election day.
You're a riot.
We have no ulterior motives, chump.
We believe in supporting the duly ELECTED Nominee of the Party against Hillary Clinton and are sick and damned tired of your contortions trying to defend your positions.
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Big mistake unlocking this thread...went against my better judgement and MOD advice...
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What? A principled Constitutional Conservative with values who expects integrity and character in a President? SHAME on me.
Nothing says "constitutional conservative" and "expecting integrity in a President" like sitting back and allowing Hillary Rodham Clinton to become the 45th President of the United States - - - and feeling it's the better choice. 888blackhat
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I don't give a crap what other 'fora' say.
You've never read a threat like that here, so stuff it.
The only reason we have not read a threat like that here on this board from the minority of Trump acolytes here - is because of the rules that are enforced by the mod staff.
If the rules here became as they are at other boards that Trump's militants have taken over and turned into Trump Safe Spaces, I am certain those same death threats would be flung as often as the charges of being Hillary supporters are flung on this board. It's easy to discern that desire (written or not) from all the ridicule and vehement vitriol being offered and flung daily at those of us who have said ad nauseum, we are not ever casting a vote for Trump. Ever.
It seems a Trump Activist's nature to declare all who will not vote for their prince to be traitors - and some to openly suggest that we deserve a traitor's death for refusing to vote the way they demand.
Simply makes such fanatics the same kind of tyrants (if not worse) than Hildabeast's Commies.
But alas, such is the zeitgeist having overtaken the nation.
Everyone wants their king and dictator.
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The only reason we have not read a threat like that here on this board from the minority of Trump acolytes here - is because of the rules that are enforced by the mod staff.
When you visit TOS, you can almost hear the pitchforks being sharpened.
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Big mistake unlocking this thread...went against my better judgement and MOD advice...
NO! It wasn't!
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Expect them to double-down on the trolling from here on until election day.
"Trolling"....isn't that a FR word we outlawed here to prevent PTSD among the newer members @XenaLee?
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You're a riot.
We have no ulterior motives, chump.
We believe in supporting the duly ELECTED Nominee of the Party against Hillary Clinton and are sick and damned tired of your contortions trying to defend your positions.
Your continuous personal attacks and insults duly noted ......
if all you were interested in was really just, as you claim, "supporting the duly ELECTED Nominee of the Party against Hillary Clinton", it wouldn't be necessary for you to constantly be in 'troll/insult mode'. You would just state your case and leave it at that. But nooooo!
And frankly, my dear.....I don't give a tinkers' damn what you are tired of. Comprende?
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"Trolling"....isn't that a FR word we outlawed here to prevent PTSD among the newer members @XenaLee?
What's that? Another aptly descriptive 'word' that describes what certain pro-Trump posters here endulge in on a daily (if not hourly) basis has been "outlawed"?
I'm....shocked, I tell ya!
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You're a riot.
We have no ulterior motives, chump.
We believe in supporting the duly ELECTED Nominee of the Party against Hillary Clinton and are sick and damned tired of your contortions trying to defend your positions.
There isn't a single voter in the US that's obligated to either defend or justify how they cast their vote in any election.
This one is no different.
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When you visit TOS, you can almost hear the pitchforks being sharpened.
This utter nonsense has earned you a new sign .......
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LwGG1Iaqask/THZnC7NX0TI/AAAAAAAAAUU/w5BffXBfYNE/s1600/drama+queen.jpg)
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What's that? Another aptly descriptive 'word' that describes what certain pro-Trump posters here endulge in on a daily (if not hourly) basis has been "outlawed"?
A few months back along with the refugee flood came a warning to treat y'all gently---you'd been through a deeply upsetting, harrowing experience at FR and that most were likely suffering from PTSD--and "troll" was a trigger for a full blown PTSD attack.
Am I correct in assuming from your post that the dastardly trauma is finally behind you @XenaLee?
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Have you noticed.....how the Trump camp has ramped up the insults, passive aggressive taunts and attacks and snark lately? Methinks they're (finally) starting to get nervous over Trump's "real" agenda and recent flip-flops. Expect them to double-down on the trolling from here on until election day.
Absolutely agree.
There's definitely been an increase in disruption and attempts to derail threads they don't like.
It's funny because they have their own hidey-hole where they can be as snarky and nasty as they want about us, and anyone who counters them has their post yanked, but that's not enough for them.
Your theory that they're beginning to realize the huge, awful mistake they've made is beginning to weigh on them is plausible, and they may be realizing that Hillary's coming victory lies in their laps and that's what's making them even angrier than they were before.
I imagine it's going to get worse, and that some people I thought were OK are going to have to be put on Ignore.
It's a sad day......
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This utter nonsense has earned you a new sign .......
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LwGG1Iaqask/THZnC7NX0TI/AAAAAAAAAUU/w5BffXBfYNE/s1600/drama+queen.jpg)
You Trump acolytes certainly have Alinsky's Rule No. 5 nailed down to an art form.
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You Trump acolytes certainly have Alinsky's Rule No. 5 nailed down to an art form.
You must be so proud of your grasshoppers, @INVAR
You have taught us well.
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Why so grumpy?
Miss the last pickup from the Freeper Mothership?
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Had enough
There isn't a single voter in the US that's obligated to either defend or justify how they cast their vote in any election.
This one is no different.
Couldn't agree more