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PETA calls Noem a ‘psychotic loony’ for deadly dog story
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Elaine Mallon
April 26, 2024 7:04 pm
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Animal rights nonprofit group PETA has strongly condemned Gov. Kristi Noem (R-SD) after she recently shared a story about her killing her 14-month-old dog, “Cricket,” for his lousy hunting skills.
The story is published in her book No Going Back: The Truth on What’s Wrong with Politics and How We Move America Forward and was intended to show that when it came to politics or personal life, she wasn’t afraid of getting “messy and ugly.” It instead garnered sharp criticism from animal lovers everywhere.
“Most Americans love their dogs, and we suspect that they will consider Gov. Noem a psychotic loony for letting this rambunctious puppy loose on chickens and then punishing her by deciding to personally blow her brains out rather than attempting to train her or find a more responsible guardian who would provide her with a proper home,” PETA Senior Director Colleen O’Brien said in a statement to the Washington Examiner. “Gov. Noem obviously fails to understand the vital political concepts of education, cooperation, compromise, and compassion.
Noem decided to shoot Cricket after the dog killed a local family’s chickens after a pheasant hunting trip and then bit her when she tried to intervene. Noem said she “hated that dog” and deemed it “less than worthless” for being unable to hunt properly.
After taking the dog to a gravel pit and shooting it, she also shot a goat she owned, which she said stunk and was “nasty and mean.”
Later on, her daughter arrived home and asked where Cricket was.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/state/2981722/peta-noem-psychotic-loony-deadly-dog-story/
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Why she would bring up shooting animals in a book about politics to convey she's not afraid of getting messy or ugly is a bit of a concern. I haven't read the book and perhaps what she was trying to convey was taken out of context?
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Maybe it was a bit over the top.
But what I see is someone being worried about a dog having killed someone else’s property, getting a taste for it, and then lashing out at her in the process.
My dad would approve. Their backwoods Maine huge family loved their dogs, small hunting dogs, but had no sentimental illusions about them. Very practical.
Sure, you might say they could turn it over to the pound or otherwise try to pawn off the dog on someone else. But that wasn’t the mindset so much. And frankly, I’m tired of people strictly judging others by their strict milquetoast view of everything these days.
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No problemo.
Of course you shoot the dog.
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Get out of town a mile or two and a dog that chases livestock - not to mention killing them - Is automatically and rightfully dispatched.
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:pondering: Is this the same PETA that "rescued" God knows how many dogs and cats by killing them and throwing them in dumpsters? They are not in any position to judge or condemn anyone else **nononono*
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No problemo.
Of course you shoot the dog.
Not just for the chickens, but for biting her when she tried to stop it.
Sorry, but no dog has ever long survived biting a family member.
You don't turn on your own pack.
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Sounds like she's got some issues
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It's an animal, her animal... I have no problem in owners managing their flocks which includes dogs and cats. We did on our farm... the cat population got to high, we thinned the flock. Dog got too old, we took care of it instead of visiting a vet. Since when did animals others own elevate them above humans. Like my cat and dog... treat them well, but if my dog starts killing my chickens, she will get the same fate.
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Not just for the chickens, but for biting her when she tried to stop it.
Sorry, but no dog has ever long survived biting a family member.
You don't turn on your own pack.
That's right. She's damn well right, without question - Though many city dwellers hereon may not understand.
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Do you know what happens if you take a stray cat or dog to PETA? They kill them immediately, because they are opposed to people keeping pets. They don't take them somewhere to be adopted.
I don't give a flying fig what PETA thinks of Governor Noem. I don't care what they think about anything.
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:pondering: Is this the same PETA that "rescued" God knows how many dogs and cats by killing them and throwing them in dumpsters? They are not in any position to judge or condemn anyone else **nononono*
Sorry, I missed your post. You are spot on. PETA is opposed to people keeping any animals as pets, so they destroy any pets brought to them.
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She probably did the appropriate thing in the particular situation, but it's an odd thing for a politician to admit doing.
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She probably did the appropriate thing in the particular situation, but it's an odd thing for a politician to admit doing.
Especially in her book where it is now documented.
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She also had to put down 3 horses -- no different that having to put down a dog that is suffering.
"We love animals, but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm. Sadly, we just had to put down 3 horses a few weeks ago that had been in our family for 25 years," the governor admitted.........
https://www.foxnews.com/media/social-media-disturbed-gov-noems-story-shooting-her-14-month-old-dog-not-normal
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14 months old is still considered a puppy. I bet they gave that dog zero training since they got it.
Idiot woman. I wanted her for President at one time.
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The ragheads won't vote for her cause she shot a sexy Goat.
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Sorry folks, in the country if a dog chases livestock, dog takes a dirt nap.
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14 months old is still considered a puppy. I bet they gave that dog zero training since they got it.
Agree
I’ve trained all my own labs for hunting and every one of them has been obedience trained and trained to leave my wife’s chickens alone. I had one lab that at nine months old, did get a hold of a chicken and I corrected that behavior immediately and permanently
And then to practically brag about shooting a dog tells me that she’s a little loose in the head
And the so-called snapping at her was probably an impulsive reaction versus being vicious. A behavior that needs to be quickly corrected, but can be.
I’ve seen many times when people get a dog and don’t take any time to train it and then become indignant that the dog doesn’t listen to them
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14 months old is still considered a puppy. I bet they gave that dog zero training since they got it.
Idiot woman. I wanted her for President at one time.
Yes, 14 months is still a pup and was shot for killing the neighbor's chickens. Not something that I would do, and a dog around chickens, especially a hunting dog is going to go after them. I have a dog and if he wasn't contained he'd go after smaller dogs, rabbits, squirrels, birds, etc. Once he is fixated on a smaller animal, there's no holding him back. With people, he's very loving, loyal and obedient. It is the nature of many dogs and with mine, it is the breeds of the dog; Akita, Whippet, Shepherd and Boxer. The Akita and Whippet are known to hunt. We have a fenced in yard for that reason. Squirrels have come over on the other side of the fence and he's been right on them and luckily they have been able to quickly jump back over the fence onto a tree.
To shoot a puppy?? Nope. I think she was wrong. To document the event in her book to prove she has to make choices that aren't pleasant - I think she's done herself more harm them good in making that announcement. I don't see being able to kill an animal, especially a puppy as an attribute.
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In my retirement, as part of the process, take interior photos of peoples' homes for mortgage service companies and banks when they want to eliminate their Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI) premium payments.
Only two reasons I am ever late for an appointments. Traffic...and dogs! happy77
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Around here the decision wouldn't have ultimately been up to her. If she hadn't done it, animal control would have. Two weeks ago two dogs killed my grand daughters two pet ducks. Animal control took the dogs and those dogs have been put down.
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Around here the decision wouldn't have ultimately been up to her. If she hadn't done it, animal control would have. Two weeks ago two dogs killed my grand daughters two pet ducks. Animal control took the dogs and those dogs have been put down.
Sometimes these “bleeding hearts” are more upset HOW it is done than that IT is done at all.
Can’t tell how many times I hear in racing circles how horrible it is that someone shot the horse, etc. in the old days, too. Instead of the kindly IV. Ultimately it doesn’t matter, if the point was just to put him out of his misery.
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She probably did the appropriate thing in the particular situation, but it's an odd thing for a politician to admit doing.
Straightforwardness is also an oddity among politicians - One greatly desired.
I will reserve a final judgement on the matter until I have the proper context, and will find favor with Noem in the mean time. What she said is true. And proper. And said even though it would be unpopular.
That's all good.
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14 months old is still considered a puppy. I bet they gave that dog zero training since they got it.
Idiot woman. I wanted her for President at one time.
In whose world?
In my day generally, 12 months was considered the end. Still is in dog shows, except many specialties still have special 18mo classes whereas AKC all-breed never does. Especially for small dogs but even most big dogs cannot really distinguish between a 1yo and 5yo. Heck many of them look fully mature at 6mos.
If it’s a hunting dog it had to have some kind of conditioning, perhaps real training.
Don’t know the full story here but se la vie. Sounds like farm living to me.
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Straightforwardness is also an oddity among politicians - One greatly desired.
I will reserve a final judgement on the matter until I have the proper context, and will find favor with Noem in the mean time. What she said is true. And proper. And said even though it would be unpopular.
That's all good.
Good point. I 2nd that.
(And EverTrumpers should love that UN-self-conscious openness, right?)
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Things are different in S. Dakota as opposed to those living in the city, suburbs and probably even rural areas. I get that so, I'm not going to pass judgement on her. I just think that it was odd for her to mention it in her book; though I haven't read it. I'm going by what the press is saying.
This is not enough to stop me from voting for her. From her record, she's pretty conservative.
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14 months old is still considered a puppy. I bet they gave that dog zero training since they got it.
Idiot woman. I wanted her for President at one time.
No it is not. a pup is under a year. More like an adolescent. And months of oporotunity for the dog to correct behavior.
All of which doesn't matter. The dog caused harm, and caused harm to someone else's property.
You don't keep that around. You don't encourage those genes.
It is the cause against another's property that probably most justifies the dog being put down... Interaction between neighbors would demand it (along with restitution)... Followed by justification in that the dog attacked its owner, followed finally by the blood lust. Any one would be cause to put the dog down.
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In whose world?
In my day generally, 12 months was considered the end. Still is in dog shows, except many specialties still have special 18mo classes whereas AKC all-breed never does. Especially for small dogs but even most big dogs cannot really distinguish between a 1yo and 5yo. Heck many of them look fully mature at 6mos.
If it’s a hunting dog it had to have some kind of conditioning, perhaps real training.
Don’t know the full story here but se la vie. Sounds like farm living to me.
Seems like it would have been better to give the dog to somebody with a completely different environment than around chickens or livestock.
Even "Commander" wasn't put down after biting dozens of Democrats. :shrug:
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Sorry folks, in the country if a dog chases livestock, dog takes a dirt nap.
Yup. Done.
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Sometimes these “bleeding hearts” are more upset HOW it is done than that IT is done at all.
Can’t tell how many times I hear in racing circles how horrible it is that someone shot the horse, etc. in the old days, too. Instead of the kindly IV. Ultimately it doesn’t matter, if the point was just to put him out of his misery.
The worst experience I ever had was putting down a dog - One of my old old friends... Perhaps my favorite dog ever, and certainly the one a talk on and on about. He was my first to make it to old age, and my first to put down on purpose because he had surpassed his ability to function.
All of my other dogs were put out of a misery of one sort or another A pretty quick death with a single shot. But Charlie was different. I thought to ease him on his way. So I took him to the vet to put him down.
Wound up sitting on his head while the doc flailed at getting the injection in... An horrible death. He died in a panic. My damn fault, and one of my greatest. I should have hiked up my balls and put a bullet in him. He wouldn't have even seen it coming.
That bullet is kind, properly administered.
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Even "Commander" wasn't put down after biting dozens of Democrats. :shrug:
He was performing a public service.
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He was performing a public service.
:beer:
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Seems like it would have been better to give the dog to somebody with a completely different environment than around chickens or livestock.
Even "Commander" wasn't put down after biting dozens of Democrats. :shrug:
That ain't how it's done.
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All dogs have the natural instinct to chase prey. It’s up to the owner to train them
My bird dogs ignore everything but their target. None of them chase deer cause I break them from that
Years ago, we had somebody who shot a neighbor dog because it was chasing a deer. It turned out to be a very expensive decision for that person and rightly so
And 14 months is still considered a pup. Especially larger breeds. And a hunting dog is geared more towards chasing birds
I agree with the poster that stated it sounded like she didn’t even bother to train it and then was upset when the dog did what it naturally is supposed to do. Dogs don’t learn like we do. But they can learn
I had a labrador once that was so well trained against chasing livestock that you could take him to a city park where people were feeding ducks and he would ignore them. But my son would take him duck hunting and he would retrieve every bird
We’ve raised chickens and labradors, and only once had a problem that I fixed, and the dog never touched a chicken again but would hunt his ass off in the bird woods
I’ve always said there’s no such thing as a bad dog. It’s bad owners that are the problem
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A lot of assumptions here.
We don't know the details.
The dog may well have been well trained and simply behaved badly in spite of that. The dog has to go then. The dog is a danger to others and is destroying property.
If the dog was poorly trained and at 14 months was behaving badly it may well be too late to recover. The owner is responsible for that.
Dogs like people can have bad genes/defects. There are factors beyond environment. You can do everything right and still have things go bad.
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I know how this story would have changed completely with just two words.........Pit Bull, and there would not have been a single tear shed.
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Remember Romney got in trouble for Seamus?
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All dogs have the natural instinct to chase prey. It’s up to the owner to train them
My bird dogs ignore everything but their target. None of them chase deer cause I break them from that
Years ago, we had somebody who shot a neighbor dog because it was chasing a deer. It turned out to be a very expensive decision for that person and rightly so
And 14 months is still considered a pup. Especially larger breeds. And a hunting dog is geared more towards chasing birds
I agree with the poster that stated it sounded like she didn’t even bother to train it and then was upset when the dog did what it naturally is supposed to do. Dogs don’t learn like we do. But they can learn
I had a labrador once that was so well trained against chasing livestock that you could take him to a city park where people were feeding ducks and he would ignore them. But my son would take him duck hunting and he would retrieve every bird
We’ve raised chickens and labradors, and only once had a problem that I fixed, and the dog never touched a chicken again but would hunt his ass off in the bird woods
I’ve always said there’s no such thing as a bad dog. It’s bad owners that are the problem
I'll disagree with your final conclusion.
There ARE bad dogs.
I had a dog named Max. Typical mountain dog - crossed between G.Shepherd and Husky.
And like such a dog is laid out, he loved battle.
A holy terror to coyotes. And any stray dog that entered onto his territory was immediately dispatched - Didn't really matter how many.
Such a dog has a preeminent value. His main job, and he did that job better than any.
But the animals within his care were also fair game.
He took out several chickens. He wouldn't stop shagging after the horses. He picked all the hair off my sister's cat. He wouldn't let up from it, no matter what.
And then one day he was gone. The old man had enough.
But that dog was an exception, not the rule. Many dogs like him have lived and died within our gates without that trouble. So it wasn't in the raising of him... But rather, a nature particular to him. He was all outlaw, and could not function within the societal bounds, where many others could.
Now, I will admit that dogs tend toward being a commodity on a ranch. They have a job, and that job puts em in harms way. So their lives are not of the same sort of ease one might find in the city, and they surely won't last as long. But their value is great - They are not summarily dispatched without reason. They are not destroyed without some final straw.
That's what this episode sounds like to me.
But at the same time, it is a more nuanced relationship than it seems. For instance a dog is likely to be able to nip at folks - even children - with far more toleration than city folks could bear. Some dgs, it's in their nature, and a kid needs to learn how to avoid it... Some dogs it's unlikely, and there's a reason why the child got a nip and it's marked off as serving the kid right, and he FAFO'd. Every redneck boy has one of them stories.
And I was sitting on the porch one time at one of my friend's places... The rooster went off on one of the yard dogs... It went on a bit, and the dog finally lost his patience and shook the rooster to death - Just that quick. He dropped the bird and looked at the old man with an 'oh, shit!' expression... The old man waived him off. Said, "Served him right... That damn rooster went after Margie (his wife) and was due to go to the pot." So it was the rooster's fault, and the dog was free to make him pay. But that dog didn't have it in him to kill chickens as a normal sequence.
Another time, down south, at one of my kin's place, the yard dogs set off nipping at all the kids... And they all went screaming and crying into the house... Well the men folk went out back to figure this out, and there's one of the dogs, laying in the yard, dang near dead, with a water moccasin, dead, not a far off. That dog recovered, and got a steak dinner out of that deal.
So it ain't so easy as you put it. It's a nuanced relationship, and farm dogs generally have a whole lot of leeway, with a whole lot of understanding wrt their nature. They know their place. They know where the lines are. If they can't abide that, it's just a matter of time.
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I know how this story would have changed completely with just two words.........Pit Bull, and there would not have been a single tear shed.
You are correct; Pit Bull, Doberman or Rottweiler. I myself am partial to Dobies. They are gentle babies.
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I have neighbors who save the $100 vet bill and humanely put down their gravely ill pups with a single shot. No less or more humane that the vet injecting the Pentobarbibal. I've wouldn't be able to pull the trigger in that scenario, but have no problem with those who do.
Still, the way she communicated the pet euthanasia issue was massively dumb. There was no reason for any form of public discussion around it.
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I'll disagree with your final conclusion.
There ARE bad dogs.
I had a dog named Max. Typical mountain dog - crossed between G.Shepherd and Husky.
And like such a dog is laid out, he loved battle.
A holy terror to coyotes. And any stray dog that entered onto his territory was immediately dispatched - Didn't really matter how many.
Such a dog has a preeminent value. His main job, and he did that job better than any.
But the animals within his care were also fair game.
He took out several chickens. He wouldn't stop shagging after the horses. He picked all the hair off my sister's cat. He wouldn't let up from it, no matter what.
And then one day he was gone. The old man had enough.
But that dog was an exception, not the rule. Many dogs like him have lived and died within our gates without that trouble. So it wasn't in the raising of him... But rather, a nature particular to him. He was all outlaw, and could not function within the societal bounds, where many others could.
Now, I will admit that dogs tend toward being a commodity on a ranch. They have a job, and that job puts em in harms way. So their lives are not of the same sort of ease one might find in the city, and they surely won't last as long. But their value is great - They are not summarily dispatched without reason. They are not destroyed without some final straw.
That's what this episode sounds like to me.
But at the same time, it is a more nuanced relationship than it seems. For instance a dog is likely to be able to nip at folks - even children - with far more toleration than city folks could bear. Some dgs, it's in their nature, and a kid needs to learn how to avoid it... Some dogs it's unlikely, and there's a reason why the child got a nip and it's marked off as serving the kid right, and he FAFO'd. Every redneck boy has one of them stories.
And I was sitting on the porch one time at one of my friend's places... The rooster went off on one of the yard dogs... It went on a bit, and the dog finally lost his patience and shook the rooster to death - Just that quick. He dropped the bird and looked at the old man with an 'oh, shit!' expression... The old man waived him off. Said, "Served him right... That damn rooster went after Margie (his wife) and was due to go to the pot." So it was the rooster's fault, and the dog was free to make him pay. But that dog didn't have it in him to kill chickens as a normal sequence.
Another time, down south, at one of my kin's place, the yard dogs set off nipping at all the kids... And they all went screaming and crying into the house... Well the man folk went out back to figure this out, and there;s one of the dogs, laying in the yard, dang near dead, with a water moccasin, dead, not a far off. That dog recovered, and got a steak dinner out of that deal.
So it ain't so easy as you put it. It's a nuanced relationship, and farm dogs generally have a whole lot of leeway, with a whole lot of understanding wrt their nature. They know their place. They know where the lines are. If they can't abide that, it's just a matter of time.
Great stories. :beer:
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I have neighbors who save the $100 vet bill and humanely put down their gravely ill pups with a single shot. No less or more humane that the vet injecting the Pentobarbibal. I've wouldn't be able to pull the trigger in that scenario, but have no problem with those who do.
Still, the way she communicated the pet euthanasia issue was massively dumb. There was no reason for any form of public discussion around it.
Definitely poor judgement on her part, though I'm not so sure that it will have any impact on her getting re-elected as governor.
If Trump should select her as his VP, it will be an issue.
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Just in case y'all missed this part:
Noem decided to shoot Cricket after the dog killed a local family’s chickens after a pheasant hunting trip and then bit her when she tried to intervene.
That's the line. Dog crossed it. I have put down a dog I dearly loved over seriously biting the wrong person. Frankly, If I did not, it would have been done for me. It sucks, it's a tough job, but one that has to be done. Doing what has to be done, the hard job, justly, even if it is not popular or enjoyable, when it needs to be done, well, that's something leaders need to have in order to be effective.
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Just in case y'all missed this part:
That's the line. Dog crossed it. I have put down a dog I dearly loved over seriously biting the wrong person. Frankly, If I did not, it would have been done for me. It sucks, it's a tough job, but one that has to be done. Doing what has to be done, the hard job, justly, even if it is not popular or enjoyable, when it needs to be done, well, that's something leaders need to have in order to be effective.
And a serious legal liability due to its past.
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Just in case y'all missed this part:
That's the line. Dog crossed it. I have put down a dog I dearly loved over seriously biting the wrong person. Frankly, If I did not, it would have been done for me. It sucks, it's a tough job, but one that has to be done. Doing what has to be done, the hard job, justly, even if it is not popular or enjoyable, when it needs to be done, well, that's something leaders need to have in order to be effective.
That's right. Not to mention the property loss - which is grounds on it's own.
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Just in case y'all missed this part:
That's the line. Dog crossed it. I have put down a dog I dearly loved over seriously biting the wrong person. Frankly, If I did not, it would have been done for me. It sucks, it's a tough job, but one that has to be done. Doing what has to be done, the hard job, justly, even if it is not popular or enjoyable, when it needs to be done, well, that's something leaders need to have in order to be effective.
Yes, I missed it. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Just in case y'all missed this part:
That's the line. Dog crossed it. I have put down a dog I dearly loved over seriously biting the wrong person. Frankly, If I did not, it would have been done for me. It sucks, it's a tough job, but one that has to be done. Doing what has to be done, the hard job, justly, even if it is not popular or enjoyable, when it needs to be done, well, that's something leaders need to have in order to be effective.
LOL! Noem just sent me an email where I can buy an autographed hardbound for a donation, probably $50 or $100.
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Nolte: Kristi Noem Shot Her Dog and Political Future in the Head
Gov. Kristi Noem (R-SD) has committed the most astounding act of political suicide since Gary Hart.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/29/nolte-kristi-noem-shot-her-dog-political-future-head/
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Noem is not psychotic; she's a psychopath (does away with people and animals that are no longer useful to her) - a perfect running mate for Trump.
Putting his dog, Seamus, on the roof of the family car (in 1983) cost Romeny votes in 2012 Presidential Campaign.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Seamus_Romney.jpg?20120129221328)(https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/legacy/sites/wlrn/files/201210/DogsRomney.JPG)
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It's a culture clash. In the sticks, dogs and cats are not regarded as "fur babies." The women have real babies. As for the animal, when it's not too cold they tend to sleep outdoors in a kennel, and are often kept for their working abilities.
I am a little surprised she didn't ask somebody to edit the book if she planned to run nationally.
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It's a perfect story to feed MAGA bloodlust. In MAGA world, it's cruelty that matters.
Just ask Stephen Miller - architect of Children In Cages and Project 2025. Separating children from parents is a sin against God, but, in MAGA world it's a measure of loyalty and dedication.
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When she tried to correct the dog, it BIT HER!!!
Why is that being ignored???
This is not tolerated in my household, nor any others I know of. It is the Capital crime.
End of story. Dog gone.
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And not a new phenomenon, pissing off pet loving voters.
I remember the bru-ha-ha this caused when I was a kid.
(https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/public-content-aetn.video.aetnd.com/video-thumbnails/AETN-History_Prod/73/432/History_Speeches_1117_Lyndon_Johnson_Lifts_Dog_Ears_still_624x352.jpg?w=1440)
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This is not tolerated in my household, nor any others I know of. It is the Capital crime.
End of story. Dog gone.
It's a working ranch in South Dakota, and most people will not get it unless they spend a couple of weeks on site. My grandpa in rural NC shot 15 cats because they were overwhelming his farm and begging for food. Undoubtedly he would be seen as a monster in some circles, but it had to be done.
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Just ask Stephen Miller - architect of Children In Cages and Project 2025.
I was not aware that Miller worked in the Obama administration, which was when Kids in Cages was done. That Trump did it is an old, debunked claim by the Lefties.
Newspaper photos showing it were shot during Obama's term, not Trumps.
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When she tried to correct the dog, it BIT HER!!!
Why is that being ignored???
This is not tolerated in my household, nor any others I know of. It is the Capital crime.
End of story. Dog gone.
AND property destroyed. just as bad of a mark. Dog gone again, sommore.
Between just those two, the decision is plain.
I flat don't understand the friction.
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It's a working ranch in South Dakota, and most people will not get it unless they spend a couple of weeks on site. My grandpa in rural NC shot 15 cats because they were overwhelming his farm and begging for food. Undoubtedly he would be seen as a monster in some circles, but it had to be done.
A feral cat infestation is no joke.
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Well...
The poor judgement was putting it in a book.
People who have never been around a ranch or a farm are clueless of the realities of how the real world works.
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Well...
The poor judgement was putting it in a book.
People who have never been around a ranch or a farm are clueless of the realities of how the real world works.
How in the dickens are the clueless to be educated as to how the real world works if we don't tell them? And it better happen soon, before they completely outnumber us.
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The most wonderful Dog I've had in many years was the result of this type of behavoir though much more appaling. A breeder that was raising coonhounds in the Beaumont area let the wrong person see what he was doing to his young hounds that were gunshy, he'd shoot them on the spot. Harris County SPCA raided his farm, put him in jail and took his dogs. A few wound up in a private shelter in Sequin. I had to volunteer at her kennel for 2/days to secure Rita the Redbone's release.
Best damn Woman I ever bailed out of Jail and I've bailed out a few.
(https://cdn.fotofits.com/petzlover/gallery/img/l/redbone-coonhound-dog-789284.jpg)
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How in the dickens are the clueless to be educated as to how the real world works if we don't tell them? And it better happen soon, before they completely outnumber us.
They already outnumber us. The city dwellers are regulating more and more farm and ranch land as they see fit. Emotions govern now.
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This story encapsulates everything that is stupid about American politics these days.
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Well...
The poor judgement was putting it in a book.
People who have never been around a ranch or a farm are clueless of the realities of how the real world works.
The kind of idiots that think you shouldn't kill animals for food because you can buy meat at the supermarket.
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When she tried to correct the dog, it BIT HER!!!
Why is that being ignored???
This is not tolerated in my household, nor any others I know of. It is the Capital crime.
End of story. Dog gone.
Townies just don't understand. When a dog starts killing livestock, it makes them almost seem to regress to a wild and feral state. They get mean and will do exactly that. From there the bloodlust gets completely out of control.
They also tend to start running with other dogs in packs like a street gang, and they won't care what it is they go after. Seen it more than once back in the day. Next time it's somebodies little girl that gets mauled.
One of our dogs got into killing pigs when I was a kid, and he wasn't the same after that. Very aloof and not nearly as friendly anymore. One night he didn't come home, we figured a nearby farmer ended him.
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Townies just don't understand. When a dog starts killing livestock, it makes them almost seem to regress to a wild and feral state. They get mean and will do exactly that. From there the bloodlust gets completely out of control.
They also tend to start running with other dogs in packs like a street gang, and they won't care what it is they go after. Seen it more than once back in the day. Next time it's somebodies little girl that gets mauled.
One of our dogs got into killing pigs when I was a kid, and he wasn't the same after that. Very aloof and not nearly as friendly anymore. One night he didn't come home, we figured a nearby farmer ended him.
Might have been me... :whistle:
I live in the goldielocks zone for feral dogs and cats, and take the weight of all the predators trapped in town and 'let go' out in the country.
You get out in the hills a ways - Too far to drive - and suddenly all those unwanted animals go down to normal levels... But right outside of town, to about 5 miles out, well we get to be the 'beneficiaries' of the town folks good intentions...
Don't matter much. They just get a dirt nap. But it would surely be a blessing if the townies handled their own dang business.
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We live in the I'm going to count to 3 generation... And it shows...
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She's crazy. If she did, in fact, say that she hated the dog, then she didn't shoot it out of compassion or necessity. There were other options -- not the least of which was to re-home the dog.
I'll never see her in the same light again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErulXnLRwU8
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She's crazy. If she did, in fact, say that she hated the dog, then she didn't shoot it out of compassion or necessity. There were other options -- not the least of which was to re-home the dog.
I'll never see her in the same light again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErulXnLRwU8
Not many folks want the responsibility of re-homing a dog who you know will bite people.
It's one thing to re-home one because you can't get them to keep from chewing up your slippers or whatever to folks who don't wear slippers, but something else to do so after they bite you.
And a dog with a reputation for killing farm animals is always a liability.
City folks will see that differently, maybe.
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Not many folks want the responsibility of re-homing a dog who you know will bite people.
It's one thing to re-home one because you can't get them to keep from chewing up your slippers or whatever to folks who don't wear slippers, but something else to do so after they bite you.
And a dog with a reputation for killing farm animals is always a liability.
City folks will see that differently, maybe.
I take it you disagree with the dog trainer?
I must say that I'm flummoxed by so many on this thread who are making excuses for her. She's not tough. She doesn't make difficult decisions. She's cruel. And a fool for including this incident in her book.
For the record, thanks to the Dog Whisperer, I do believe you can re-home a dog. And that you can teach it how to behave properly. But only if that's a priority for you. But if you just need the problem gone, bang bang. Sickening.
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She's crazy. If she did, in fact, say that she hated the dog, then she didn't shoot it out of compassion or necessity. There were other options -- not the least of which was to re-home the dog.
I'll never see her in the same light again.
It is considered bad form to rehome a problem dog in the country... foisting your problem off on others...
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I take it you disagree with the dog trainer?
I must say that I'm flummoxed by so many on this thread who are making excuses for her. She's not tough. She doesn't make difficult decisions. She's cruel. And a fool for including this incident in her book.
For the record, thanks to the Dog Whisperer, I do believe you can re-home a dog. And that you can teach it how to behave properly. But only if that's a priority for you. But if you just need the problem gone, bang bang. Sickening.
This dog WAS rehomed - to Noem. She isn't cruel. She did a necessary act.
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It is considered bad form to rehome a problem dog in the ountry... foisting your problem off on others...
OMG. Country folk would rather kill a dog than re-home it? I may have to take another look at country folk. **nononono*
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I take it you disagree with the dog trainer?
I must say that I'm flummoxed by so many on this thread who are making excuses for her. She's not tough. She doesn't make difficult decisions. She's cruel. And a fool for including this incident in her book.
For the record, thanks to the Dog Whisperer, I do believe you can re-home a dog. And that you can teach it how to behave properly. But only if that's a priority for you. But if you just need the problem gone, bang bang. Sickening.
Not many people are true dog whisperers. You could end up like that bear whisperer.
Sorry, but that boat sailed when the dog bit the owner. Game over. But go ahead. adopt some dog that mauled a kid or bit the owner and have them watch your kids. In farm country, you need the problem gone. A line (actually two lines) has been crossed.
But by all means, if you want, adopt one of these poor, misunderstood, critters that bites the hand that feeds it, and rehabilitate it. I'd almost bet you don't believe in capital punishment for 'misguided' humans, either. As someone observed, had this been a pit bull, some folks here would be cheering instead of decrying Noem.
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Sorry, y'all. I'm going to align myself with the trainers. Even at my advanced age, I'm still learning. I never would have believed that I'd be butting heads with a bunch of conservatives who were defending the killing of a young dog.
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I take it you disagree with the dog trainer?
Hell yes I disagree.
I must say that I'm flummoxed by so many on this thread who are making excuses for her. She's not tough. She doesn't make difficult decisions. She's cruel. And a fool for including this incident in her book.
There it is again. Cruel? Why and how is it cruel?
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OMG. Country folk would rather kill a dog than re-home it? I may have to take another look at country folk. **nononono*
If it's killing livestock, of course that's a death sentence. If it's biting people, that too is (likely) a capital offense. You don't pawn that off on others.
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If it's killing livestock, of course that's a death sentence. If it's biting people, that too is (likely) a capital offense. You don't pawn that off on others.
I can see that you believe the trainer is lying. I don't. He's the one with experience. As is Cesar. She did this out of anger and an emotionally unstable place.
I'm not going to lie. I'm a little sick to my stomach to learn of this. I had much respect for her. Now I'm seeing an unstable side to her. She had a problem that she needed a quick fix for and it was at the expense of a dog. Hell, she didn't even take it to a vet to have it humanely put down. She did it in anger. Everyone here seems to be trying to ramp up the dog's problem behavior to level 10. That's also making me sick to my stomach.
She's got a character flaw -- a HUGE one. I won't forget.
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I never would have believed that I'd be butting heads with a bunch of conservatives who were defending the killing of a young dog.
Justice and saddling your own responsibility.
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I can see that you believe the trainer is lying. I don't. He's the one with experience. As is Cesar. She did this out of anger and an emotionally unstable place.
I'm not going to lie. I'm a little sick to my stomach to learn of this. I had much respect for her. Now I'm seeing an unstable side to her. She had a problem that she needed a quick fix for and it was at the expense of a dog. Hell, she didn't even take it to a vet to have it humanely put down. She did it in anger. Everyone here seems to be trying to ramp up the dog's problem behavior to level 10. That's also making me sick to my stomach.
She's got a character flaw -- a HUGE one. I won't forget.
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I can see that you believe the trainer is lying. I don't. He's the one with experience. As is Cesar. She did this out of anger and an emotionally unstable place.
Bullshit. I've been training up dogs all my life, from working livestock to mountain dogs.
I'm not going to lie. I'm a little sick to my stomach to learn of this. I had much respect for her. Now I'm seeing an unstable side to her. She had a problem that she needed a quick fix for and it was at the expense of a dog. Hell, she didn't even take it to a vet to have it humanely put down. She did it in anger. Everyone here seems to be trying to ramp up the dog's problem behavior to level 10. That's also making me sick to my stomach.
She's got a character flaw -- a HUGE one. I won't forget.
I doubt it was done in anger. I would not have been angry by the time I dug the hole. But that dog would be in it. I understood her perfectly and will stand with her on that. With some small respect - After all, she did exactly what any of us out here in flyover country would do. So it don't lift her up much with me... But it sure don't knock her down. She gets it.
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Bullshit. I've been training up dogs all my life, from working livestock to mountain dogs.
All that suggests to me is that you haven't been able to successfully retrain a dog as the trainer in the video has. Or Cesar. Maybe if you'd known it could be done, you'd have had better success. :shrug: Just sayin...
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Hell, she didn't even take it to a vet to have it humanely put down.
I would say the bullet is more humane.
Everyone here seems to be trying to ramp up the dog's problem behavior to level 10.
Chasing livestock is level 10. KILLING livestock is level .22
Especially the neighbor's livestock.
And so is biting in most cases - even in town. The difference being the cops will come and do it for you.
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I doubt it was done in anger. I would not have been angry by the time I dug the hole. But that dog would be in it. I understood her perfectly and will stand with her on that. With some small respect - After all, she did exactly what any of us out here in flyover country would do. So it don't lift her up much with me... But it sure don't knock her down. She gets it.
If she hated the dog, she really had no reason not to dispose of it as she did. I've been sorting this out in my mind for a few days. I tried to find a reason to believe that she wasn't a cruel bitch. I couldn't. Too many details pointed to a cruel, spiteful killing.
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All that suggests to me is that you haven't been able to successfully retrain a dog as the trainer in the video has. Or Cesar. Maybe if you'd known it could be done, you'd have had better success. :shrug: Just sayin...
Nonsense. Chewy was with me 17 years. Moses 13. Brown - A mountain bred Husky mind you, whole different critter - Brown was with me at least 12 (Don't really know)
That's long long life for working dogs. Real working dogs.
Though I will admit that most did not make it to old age, and most were put down by my hand (as is proper) But by far and away they were put down as a mercy if I didn't find them dead. Very few were put down for cause.
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I would say the bullet is more humane.
Chasing livestock is level 10. KILLING livestock is level .22
Especially the neighbor's livestock.
And so is biting in most cases - even in town. The difference being the cops will come and do it for you.
I wonder why that trainer lied about being able to teach a young dog about hunting?? He didn't even talk of re-homing. He talked of working with the dog. If Noem wasn't qualified to work with the dog, then it needed to be re-homed. As for the biting, it sounded to me like the dog was too exuberant in its pursuit of the chickens and reacted to being prevented from the chase. (I'd truly like to know if it was a serious bite or a reactionary one, and if the latter, how bad was it?) Are you honestly going to tell me that such behavior can't be corrected in a dog?
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@Kamaji
Thanks! I needed that! :beer:
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And by the way:
I would say the bullet is more humane.
Chasing livestock is level 10. KILLING livestock is level .22
Especially the neighbor's livestock.
And so is biting in most cases - even in town. The difference being the cops will come and do it for you.
Yep.
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If she hated the dog, she really had no reason not to dispose of it as she did. I've been sorting this out in my mind for a few days. I tried to find a reason to believe that she wasn't a cruel bitch. I couldn't. Too many details pointed to a cruel, spiteful killing.
I loved dogs and disposed of them exactly the same way.
Nothing cruel about it.
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About two weeks ago two dogs killed my grand daughters two pet ducks. Animal control took those dogs and put them down. Does that piss you off? @AllThatJazzZ
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PETA, the people who don't want you to eat animals, either (unless they are bugs--and bugs are animals) wants you to re-home that vicious dog. For just 19 dollars a month, they will put them in the dumpster out back.
Sad fact of life, sometimes you have to be strong enough to shoot your own dog, even if it hurts.
That expression applies to other problems that have no soft and fuzzy solutions as well.
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I wonder why that trainer lied about being able to teach a young dog about hunting?? He didn't even talk of re-homing. He talked of working with the dog. If Noem wasn't qualified to work with the dog, then it needed to be re-homed. As for the biting, it sounded to me like the dog was too exuberant in its pursuit of the chickens and reacted to being prevented from the chase. (I'd truly like to know if it was a serious bite or a reactionary one, and if the latter, how bad was it?) Are you honestly going to tell me that such behavior can't be corrected in a dog?
Doesn't matter the why... If he bit anyone other than her, the sentence would be immediate and automatic. Since it was her dog, I guess it was her decision, which might not have happened but that it was the neighbor's livestock. No doubt that must supersede any mercy she might have given otherwise.
And she is talking about a BITE. As I opined earlier, a dog can be nippy - and I have often been warned bout it. a nip is not a bite.
And there are different levels of tolerance to some degree outside of that. For instance, breaking up a melee - especially among sled dogs and mountain dogs. That's done with a club - You literally have to beat them back from killing each other - There the bloodlust is on em, and there ain't nothing for it but to wade in and break it up... It's not uncommon to take a bite from that.
But a dog with the bloodlust in em (that won't come off a kill for instance) won't last for long otherwise.
So it is somewhat more situational up in the hills... But even there, killing livestock is death.
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About two weeks ago two dogs killed my grand daughters two pet ducks. Animal control took those dogs and put them down. Does that piss you off? @AllThatJazzZ
No, it doesn't. Without knowing all the details, it sounds like a reasoned response after pets were killed. Why were the dogs able to get to the ducks?
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A friend's Heeler nipped me hard... Left a mark and later a bruise and a hella big blood blister on my calf... He figured I was hurting my friend's daughter (which I wasn't... she was on the trampoline and we were playing around with her mamma right there).
I didn't hold it against him - He was doing his job, and I told my friend so, as he felt he should be mad at the dog for it... But I did finagle an extra piece of pie over it... And it was a fat piece of pie, which was the missus showing her appreciation.
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A friend's Heeler nipped me hard... Left a mark and later a bruise and a hella big blood blister on my calf... He figured I was hurting my friend's daughter (which I wasn't... she was on the trampoline and we were playing around with her mamma right there).
I didn't hold it against him - He was doing his job, and I told my friend so, as he felt he should be mad at the dog for it... But I did finagle an extra piece of pie over it... And it was a fat piece of pie, which was the missus showing her appreciation.
There are extenuating circumstances where nips can be forgiven.
Biting the owner is in a different weight class, as is biting family members, or killing livestock.
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Bullshit. I've been training up dogs all my life, from working livestock to mountain dogs.
Is there anything you haven't been doing all your life? :pondering:
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There are extenuating circumstances where nips can be forgiven.
Biting the owner is in a different weight class, as is biting family members, or killing livestock.
That's right. You get a feel for it.
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Is there anything you haven't been doing all your life? :pondering:
Yeah... I ain't been in the city much. All the rest is just part of living out here.
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Yeah... I ain't been in the city much. All the rest is just part of living out here.
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Yeah... I ain't been in the city much. All the rest is just part of living out here.
I would have guessed suffering fools :silly: :silly: :silly:
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I would have guessed suffering fools :silly: :silly: :silly:
REALLY? I hadn't noticed :whistle:
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No, it doesn't. Without knowing all the details, it sounds like a reasoned response after pets were killed. Why were the dogs able to get to the ducks?
I guess I don't see the difference between the pound and the owner doing it.
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Yeah... I ain't been in the city much. All the rest is just part of living out here.
Sorry ... mine was a rhetorical question :shrug:
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Sorry ... mine was a rhetorical question :shrug:
I know. Yours is not a questioning mind. :whistle:
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At least she didn't call you a FOOL, this time. wink777
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At least she didn't call you a FOOL, this time. wink777
But alas, not through any self-awareness. :whistle: :shrug:
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I see both sides of this situation. This isn't like an urban area where pets are different than they are in the country. I live in a rural area. If a pet starts killing livestock it's a no go. I have been more lenient with a dog bite since the dog had dementia and I had him put down shortly after. But prior to that it wasn't acceptable. Who knows when a dog might go off on a stranger or a child?
As far as the goat? Some of them can mean little cusses. Heck, even roosters can be lethal. I have a friend named berdie that had an attack rooster that ended up as Sunday dinner. I don't have any idea how berdie found him with a broke neck??
Bottom line, I don't understand why she would even address this in her book. She should have learned from Mitt.
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I see both sides of this situation. This isn't like an urban area where pets are different than they are in the country. I live in a rural area. If a pet starts killing livestock it's a no go. I have been more lenient with a dog bite since the dog had dementia and I had him put down shortly after. But prior to that it wasn't acceptable. Who knows when a dog might go off on a stranger or a child?
It is the same thing in the city - The difference being they have law officers and vets to do the deed for them. Notice that I have questioned more than once the idea that putting a dog down is somehow cruel... You're somehow a bad person if you put a bullet in his head - An act, btw that is far quicker in the doing than the time it takes to inject an animal....
I'd hate to tell them how you put down sheep and goats... :whistle:
As far as the goat? Some of them can mean little cusses. Heck, even roosters can be lethal. I have a friend named berdie that had an attack rooster that ended up as Sunday dinner. I don't have any idea how berdie found him with a broke neck??
Don't even get me started with rams.. Damn mean, be it sheep or goat, and never turn your back. About like a bull, only the bull will take you out in one go. The ram has to work at it.
As for roosters, if I get my bones back together, I want to try to make a proper old-school flock... I think a dual purpose bird, probably American Bres... But the idea would be to go strictly old school and let em get broody and sit... I want to see how many birds it takes to keep you in eggs and still harvest a bird or two a week, and yet maintain a working flock.
That old way is nearly gone, and nobody knows that information anymore.
Still, whether from broody hens or an incubator, what folks are mostly gonna be eating are roosters and then retired hens... Roosters first, because they are mean. And fractious. I'd hate to even know how many I've sent to freezer camp.
Bottom line, I don't understand why she would even address this in her book. She should have learned from Mitt.
I have yet to see the offending passage in its context... Perhaps that is by design.
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Why she would bring up shooting animals in a book about politics to convey she's not afraid of getting messy or ugly is a bit of a concern. I haven't read the book and perhaps what she was trying to convey was taken out of context?
Exactly. I can understand putting down a dog for killing chickens when growing up in farm country. My dad put down a dog for doing the same, though he didn't shoot it. But recording it in a book that you were hoping would launch your national political career was stupid beyond belief. Did her editor or proof readers, maybe even family and friends reading the pre-published transcript not say, " wait honey, ya better not put that in the book".
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Exactly. I can understand putting down a dog for killing chickens when growing up in farm country. My dad put down a dog for doing the same, though he didn't shoot it. But recording it in a book that you were hoping would launch your national political career was stupid beyond belief. Did her editor or proof readers, maybe even family and friends reading the pre-published transcript not say, " wait honey, ya better not put that in the book".
Agreed, and as one would expect, she's lost any chance for a higher office.
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Agreed, and as one would expect, she's lost any chance for a higher office.
Maybe so. But I bet she can write her own ticket in South Dakota, or any of the Midwestern and Western states.
Folks outside the city understand what she said. It's the urbanites that throw a hissy.
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Maybe so. But I bet she can write her own ticket in South Dakota, or any of the Midwestern and Western states.
Folks outside the city understand what she said. It's the urbanites that throw a hissy.
True. But still nowhere above Governor, unless she scores a Cabinet gig.
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I guess I don't see the difference between the pound and the owner doing it.
@Free Vulcan
Fair point. It seemed that these were 2 dogs working in tandem. From that, I assumed that they were roaming the streets or countryside looking for "trouble." That's why I asked how they were in a position to go after the pet ducks. If the scenario is different from that, please let me know and I'll assess it with the actual facts rather than my assumption.
Regarding Gov. Noem ... upon further examination (and because I was finally able to see a clip of her explaining the situation), I will cut her some slack. She said that she was the 2nd owner of the dog and that it came to her as a troubled dog. I would suggest that she didn't have the ability to redirect the dog from its bad behavior and decided to put it down after the chicken and biting incident. Assuming that all she said is true, my only criticisms of her would be that she took on a project she wasn't equipped to handle and that she wrote about the incident in her book. I would have preferred that she try her best to re-home the dog, but sometimes there just aren't any takers.