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General Category => Military/Defense News => Topic started by: mystery-ak on April 13, 2017, 04:49:26 pm
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David Wright @DavidWright_CNN
Breaking: US military has dropped most powerful non-nuclear US bomb, MOAB, targeting ISIS in Nangarhar, Afghanistan -- first ever combat use
US military has dropped the largest non-nuclear weapon in its arsenal—21,000 lb. GBU-43 “mother of all bombs”—on ISIS complex in Afghanistan
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Remarkable, quite a scoop.
https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN
Yes, there's the tweet. Good work.
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US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan after Green Beret killed
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
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Mini SMOD.
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1 mile blast radius...wow
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It's green and has a windmill. Damn that Al Gore.
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Subtle, Jim. Very subtle. *****rollingeyes*****
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Then, eventually, we may have video of this attack.
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*hmmmm*
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Did ISIS think they had a secret compound? I wonder how many of these we have in stock.
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Holy Cow!
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Breaking: US military has dropped most powerful non-nuclear US bomb, MOAB, targeting ISIS in Nangarhar, Afghanistan -- first ever combat use
Good timing considering the Goofy MF NK punk despot has his hands on his joy stick.
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ISIS has nothing that would require using a MOAB. Hell, ISIS hasn't much that require 500 lb bombs.
It's purely a message to Lil Kim - "we don't need nukes to remove your shithole city from history."
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ISIS has nothing that would require using a MOAB. Hell, ISIS hasn't much that require 500 lb bombs.
It's purely a message to Lil Kim - "we don't need nukes to remove your shithole city from history."
Trump seems to be depleting our weapons at a pretty fast pace here. Time to invest in weapon stocks.
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ISIS has nothing that would require using a MOAB. Hell, ISIS hasn't much that require 500 lb bombs.
It's purely a message to Lil Kim - "we don't need nukes to remove your shithole city from history."
I thought there were a lot of deep tunnels they have been using. Giving the benefit of the doubt that this was more than just a message, maybe there was some intelligence of a high value target (be it a person(s) or object) buried deep in the tunnels.
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1 mile blast radius...wow
I wonder how often Google Earth updates that part of the globe?
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I wonder how often Google Earth updates that part of the globe?
I checked USGS earthquake notifications as well.
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I checked USGS earthquake notifications as well.
Did you get anything?
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I thought there were a lot of deep tunnels they have been using. Giving the benefit of the doubt that this was more than just a message, maybe there was some intelligence of a high value target (be it a person(s) or object) buried deep in the tunnels.
Doesn't matter how deep the tunnels are. The entrances are on the surface. Couple 88mm rockets plugs them very nicely indeed. Repeat every 6 hours or so to kill the digging crews.
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Did you get anything?
no, but I don't know what they have in terms of public detection in the area. There was a 4+ in Turkey about the same time, but they have earthquakes there all the time and that's several thousand miles away.
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no, but I don't know what they have in terms of public detection in the area. There was a 4+ in Turkey about the same time, but they have earthquakes there all the time and that's several thousand miles away.
I would think it would have set some instruments off. I'll look too.
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Boom, take that isis, new sheriff in town. take one of ours, we take many of yours!!!
David Wright Retweeted
Garance Franke-RutaVerified account @thegarance 54m54 minutes ago
Re: report on MOAB use, worth recalling Trump did promise, tho re: ISIS, to "bomb the shit out them." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/13/trumps_updated_isis_plan_bomb_the_shit_out_of_them_send_exxon_in_to_rebuild.html …
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Doesn't matter how deep the tunnels are. The entrances are on the surface. Couple 88mm rockets plugs them very nicely indeed. Repeat every 6 hours or so to kill the digging crews.
Well...that was kind of the same thing the air guys told Marines in the Pacific. Didn't work.
We likely don't even know where all the entrances are, some may be in positions that offer only limited flight paths, and may be defended by enough assets to make it too dangerous for low-level attacks. The MOAB is going to get the stuff we can see, plus all the stuff we can't see. And from a safer altitude.
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1 mile blast radius...wow
Which makes it an indiscriminate weapon. For a variety of reasons, here's hoping the blast area didn't cover a significant civilian presence.
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I would think it would have set some instruments off. I'll look too.
I wonder if this was a message to North Korea as well.
It positively will get the attention of any survivors who saw it.
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CBS reporting:
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-drops-mother-of-all-bombs-in-afghanistan-in-first-use-of-weapon/ar-BBzOoMc?OCID=ansmsnnews11&fullscreen=true#image=2
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May not be a nuke but it is a WMD
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May not be a nuke but it is a WMD
Not by legal standards (only by descriptive nature)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
A WMD by legal standard has to be toxic, chemical, biological, or radioactive.
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Wonder what fat boy kim did upon seeing this news today? Wonder what the mullahs are thinking today as well?
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Not by legal standards (only by descriptive nature)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
A WMD by legal standard has to be toxic, chemical, biological, or radioactive.
Interesting. What if the blast could level a whole city? Still not a WMD?
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Wonder what fat boy kim did upon seeing this news today? Wonder what the mullahs are thinking today as well?
That they sure miss the days of when there was a limp d!_k in the WH.
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U.S. drops "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, marking weapon's first use
CBS News, Apr 13, 2017
The U.S. dropped a bomb containing 11 tons of explosives on an ISIS cave complex in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province on the border with Pakistan on Thursday, a Pentagon spokesman confirmed to CBS News’ David Martin.
The bomb is officially called a GBU-43 or Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB), leading to its nickname as the “mother of all bombs.” The weapon is the largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal and has never before been used in combat.
“The strike was designed to minimize the risk to Afghan and U.S. Forces conducting clearing operations in the area while maximizing the destruction of ISIS-K fighters and facilities,” the Pentagon said in a statement, using the term for the Islamic State’s Afghanistan branch.
The military also said the U.S. “took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties with this strike.”
White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the strike targeted a “system of tunnels and caves that ISIS fighters used to move around freely.” He said the U.S. “took all precautions necessary” to minimize civilian casualties.
The Afghanistan strike had been in the works for a number of months, Martin reports. The weapon was brought into Afghanistan specifically for this mission.
General John Nicholson, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, was required to get permission to use the weapon, but it’s unclear how far up the chain of command his request traveled.
(http://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/04/13/f6f7a1cb-dec2-4b40-92d3-9a0973e6e7a2/resize/270x/77a5c4cfa374248f51f51e24b4f51c15/cbsn-afghanistanmap.jpg#)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-drops-mother-of-all-bombs-in-afghanistan-marking-weapons-first-use/
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Interesting. What if the blast could level a whole city? Still not a WMD?
Not in the eyes of the law. Still a conventional weapon, just very, very big.
The WMD definition is very clear because it covers munitions restricted by international laws and treaties.
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Say hello to my little friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9H50tHiHjs&ab_channel=astromicwm
Spicer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiMr8v4Rjd4&ab_channel=iBankCoin.com
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9H50tHiHjs&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9H50tHiHjs&feature=youtu.be
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US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan after Green Beret killed
By Lucas Tomlinson Published April 13, 2017 FoxNews.com
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The U.S. military dropped its largest non-nuclear bomb in eastern Afghanistan on Thursday, just days after a Green Beret was killed fighting ISIS there, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.
The GBU-43B, a 21,000-pound conventional bomb, was dropped on an ISIS tunnel complex in Nangarhar Province.
The Massive Ordinance Air Blast was first tested in 2003. (DOD)
The MOAB -- Massive Ordinance Air Blast -- is also known as the “Mother Of All bombs.” It was first tested in 2003, but hadn't been used in combat before Thursday.
WHAT IS THE 'MOTHER OF ALL BOMBS'?
The MOAB is so massive it had to be dropped out of the back of a U.S. Air Force C-130 cargo plane.
"We kicked it out the back door," one U.S. official told Fox News.
For comparison to the 21,000-pound MOAB, each Tomahawk cruise missile launched at a Syrian military air base last week was 1,000-pounds each.
Continued: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
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May not be a nuke but it is a WMD
Wrong again.
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
Oddly, the markets are pretty much shrugging this off at this point.
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Wonder what fat boy kim did upon seeing this news today?
@flowers
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
:silly:
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
Aww. I'll cancel the popcorn then.
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@flowers
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LOL @Right_in_Virginia
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
good one! :silly:
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Can we all say a quick prayer that Sean Spicer is not allowed to make a statement on the matter.
You mean like: "Hitler never deployed MOABs"?
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White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the strike targeted a “system of tunnels and caves that ISIS fighters used to move around freely.”
I wonder why they chose to use this MOAB as opposed to the MOP 'bunker buster' we were hearing about a few years ago that were made to dig down into underground areas. Maybe a wider target range as opposed to a deeper one?
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Oddly, the markets are pretty much shrugging this off at this point.
Just another day in Afghanistan. If it were somewhere else, it may effect the markets. The only difference today is the size of the boom.
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I wonder why they chose to use this MOAB as opposed to the MOP 'bunker buster' we were hearing about a few years ago that were made to dig down into underground areas. Maybe a wider target range as opposed to a deeper one?
Maybe it was sitting in a warehouse there and they didn't want to have to ship it back. Ordnance disposal.
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Maybe it was sitting in a warehouse there and they didn't want to have to ship it back. Ordnance disposal.
Efficient!
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Dory Owen @doryowen
Replying to @MisterSoapbox @MsEntropy
MOAB can cause deafness within 2 miles of strike. Shock waves can kill within 1 mile.
https://twitter.com/doryowen/status/852591212871733248
I'm not aware of whom this is or if this is true; just posting.
It almost made me wonder how this bomb would compare to the bomb dropped on Nagasaki for example; supposedly, it would not have radiation. I'll let the experts say.
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I'm not aware of whom this is or if this is true; just posting.
It almost made me wonder how this bomb would compare to the bomb dropped on Nagasaki for example; supposedly, it would not have radiation. I'll let the experts say.
I'm no expert, but.....from the NY Post 2003.
BOMB RADIUS DAMAGE
* Up to 1,000 yards: Obliterates everything.
* Up to 1 mile: Knocks people, tents, light buildings, cars and jeeps over within 1-mile radius.
* Up to 1.7 miles: shock wave kills people, causes severe damage to buildings, equipment, blows trucks, tanks off road.
* Up to 2 miles: causes deafness.
* Up to 5 miles: shakes ground, breaks windows.
* Up to 30 miles: 10,000 foot high mushroom cloud visible.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030312-moab02.htm
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Thanks for the info @Wingnut
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Thanks for the info @Wingnut
No Prob!
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David Wright @DavidWright_CNN
Breaking: US military has dropped most powerful non-nuclear US bomb, MOAB, targeting ISIS in Nangarhar, Afghanistan -- first ever combat use
US military has dropped the largest non-nuclear weapon in its arsenal—21,000 lb. GBU-43 “mother of all bombs”—on ISIS complex in Afghanistan
The MOAB is not the largest bomb ever created. In the 1950s the United States manufactured the T-12, a 43,600-pound (19,800-kg) bomb that could be dropped from the B-36.
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The MOAB is not the largest bomb ever created. In the 1950s the United States manufactured the T-12, a 43,600-pound (19,800-kg) bomb that could be dropped from the B-36.
1950's eh? Interesting. Truman Probably wanted to drop it on Pyongyang back then. I say it is only fair we send then the T-12's Lil Brother.
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You mean like: "Hitler never deployed MOABs"?
000hehehehe
I heard this is a Trump quote, it's not a real blooper but it's a bit funny.
"President Sisi has been someone who's very close to me from the first time I met him" -- Donald Trump
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I thought there were a lot of deep tunnels they have been using. Giving the benefit of the doubt that this was more than just a message, maybe there was some intelligence of a high value target (be it a person(s) or object) buried deep in the tunnels.
Oh how the 1st Marines on Peleliu would have welcomed one of these. And yes it said that ISIS had tunneled in strongly in this provence.
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I'd feel a bit uneasy being around it. I watched film on tv tonight of them dropping one of these bombs. I"m not sure if it was a video of today or perhaps it was film on file.
Couldn't help but think, that's a lot of folks likely departed in that instance but these guys are as bad as the Nazis, not as powerful by no means but just as evil.
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1950's eh? Interesting. Truman Probably wanted to drop it on Pyongyang back then. I say it is only fair we send then the T-12's Lil Brother.
Turned out it wasn't the 50's.
The T-12 (also known as Cloudmaker) demolition bomb was developed by the United States from 1944 to 1948. It was one of a small class of bombs designed to attack targets invulnerable to conventional "soft" bombs, such as bunkers and viaducts. It achieved this by having an extremely thick hardened nose section, which was designed to penetrate deeply into hardened concrete structures and then detonate inside the target after a short time delay. This generated an "earthquake effect".
The T-12 was a further development of the concept initiated with the United Kingdom's Tallboy and Grand Slam weapons developed by the British aeronautical engineer Barnes Wallis during the Second World War: a hardened, highly aerodynamic bomb of the greatest possible weight designed to be dropped from the highest possible altitude. Penetrating deeply in the earth before exploding, the resulting shock wave was transmitted through the earth into structures. The resulting camouflet could also undermine structures. The bomb could also be used against hardened targets. These types of bombs can reach supersonic speeds and have tail fins designed to spin the bomb for greater accuracy.
Originally designed to meet a 42,000 lb (19,000 kg) target weight (the maximum payload for the Convair B-36 "Peacemaker" bomber), the original design with its hardened case was slightly less than 43,000 pounds. The final T-12 weighed 43,600 lb (nearly 20 metric tons). This was twice the size of the United States' previous largest bomb, the 22,000 lb M110 (T-14), the American-built version of the British Grand Slam. The T-12 was not a simple scale up of the M110, but incorporated modifications based on testing and calculations. The B-36 was redesigned so it could carry the T12, although a converted B-29 Superfortress was used for testing.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/T-12-USORDMUS.JPG)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-12_Cloudmaker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-12_Cloudmaker)
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http://nypost.com/2017/04/13/us-says-nearly-800-isis-members-on-ground-when-mother-of-all-bombs-dropped/
800 ISIS members on ground when moab dropped.
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http://nypost.com/2017/04/13/us-says-nearly-800-isis-members-on-ground-when-mother-of-all-bombs-dropped/
800 ISIS members on ground when moab dropped.
The story says 600-800 on the ground in Afghanistand, not necessarly under the bomb. But still there may be a virgin shortage for awhile.
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We're watching our local early news show, and they're reporting via ABC that 36 ISIS members were killed.
Only 36?! Seriously? I don't want to believe that's true, because if it is, it's horribly disappointing.
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We're watching our local early news show, and they're reporting via ABC that 36 ISIS members were killed.
Only 36?! Seriously? I don't want to believe that's true, because if it is, it's horribly disappointing.
This is why you only destroy the entrances. The scum keep coming back to dig them out.
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We're watching our local early news show, and they're reporting via ABC that 36 ISIS members were killed.
Only 36?! Seriously? I don't want to believe that's true, because if it is, it's horribly disappointing.
36? At a $16M price tag that is over $400,000 per kill. We need more efficiency than that Mr. Trump.
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@EC
@catfish1957
I was hoping for hundreds, at least. Nothing shocks me these days, but that number does.
I just heard Beck speculate that the MOAB was dropped as a message to North Korea. Who the hell knows anymore...
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36? At a $16M price tag that is over $400,000 per kill. We need more efficiency than that Mr. Trump.
I look at it this way.....You know when you firebomb a Fire ant mound....you only see the dead ones that are on the outside. Who is going to waste time excavating the mound to get an accurate body count? The US? Hardley. ISIS....You can't dig if'n you're dead.
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I remind one, our soldiers are in the area as well. Whether this sad death of the Green Beret played into this, to me, it's a sidenote.
'Right time' to use huge bomb in Afghanistan: U.S. general
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-bomb-idUSKBN17F27U
In March, U.S. forces conducted 79 "counterterror strikes" against Islamic State in Nangarhar, killing as many as 200 militants, according to the U.S. military command in Kabul.
U.S. military officials estimate there are about 600 to 800 Islamic State fighters in Afghanistan, mostly in Nangarhar, but also in the neighboring province of Kunar.
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I look at it this way.....You know when you firebomb a Fire ant mound....
How do you I know that? I think the gubmit must be watching me. :silly:
Seriously, Kerosene is safer.
And is far as flies, wasps, and other flying pests..... The MOAB of fly swatters.
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