I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945. As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent. Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.
Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.
I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy
Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage
I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945. As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent. Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.
I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy
Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage
I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy
Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage
I highly recommend everyone watch "The Goebbels Experiment" narrated by Kenneth Branagh, who reads excerpts from Goebbels' diaries.
Conceivably they could have evacuated to the West, they would have been safe in American or British hands.
Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in. His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy. His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.
It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime" but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.
As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:
Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.
We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.
In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?
@skeeter
The DNC.
In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?:bingo:
@skeeter
The DNC.
It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime" but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.
As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:
Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.
We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.
FACTS. And it should not be forgotten that it was the Nationalist socialist populist home boy that wound up buffaloing the people into sacrificing their principles and moral compass...I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.
Winning :whistle:
I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.
Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.
Dig into the Lutheran Church over there unabridged, and understand what they acquiesced to.He got this close to becoming a caesar. 'Kaiser' is the same dang thing from a political angle, but without the worshiping, which is defintely where he was headed. The occult powers exuding from that lot were tremendous. And the official state church caved to much of it... To include rousing the old Teutonic gods.Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?
Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?
We've all heard it before: Republicans/Trump Supporters/Anyone not buying the woke agenda must be a NAZI!!! George Orwell, comment in the late 1940s/early 1950s, even mused that less than 10 years after the war was over, any "undesirable" political ideology was being labeled as "Nazis!".
I present to you a game of "Who said it? Bernie Sanders, or Joseph Goebbels":
-"The money pigs of capitalist democracy….Money has made slaves of us…Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.â€
-"Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist."
-"We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists."
-"The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland... The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. "
-"We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality."
Need I go on? Apparently, I do:
-Which side is against the Jews (Ilhan Omar).
-Which side is promoting white identitarianism and the idea that one race owes another something?
-Which side is promoting the segregation of the races (Prop 16)
Sorry lefties, you are the actual Nazis, not us.
Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in. His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy. His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.
Hitler was Austrian. Hessians were German who fought for George Washington, to create our country.
About 1933, The GERMANS were being starved to death. Guess by whom?
Hitler created the AUTOBAHN. He created the VOLKSWAGEN, he supported women. Muslim Iman, supported Hilter, and when Hitler just wanted to deport Jewish people, Muslim, said.."NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Hitler asked. " what then?" MUSLIM SAID.."BURN THEM." As told by PM, BEN, IN ISRAEL.
German people had to join military or be shot to death...right then and there. What would you do?
My dad was in an AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND HE WAS STARVING....he ate some beets grown for cattle, not human consumption to survive. Reaching into the field, they were next to. Not treated well. He and the others took American POW, as they figured they had a better chance of survival, than going with Russias and sent to SIBERIA. GUARANTEED DEATH. He only talked about it to me, at age 88. He didn't like the memory. German savagery?
We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!
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"WE",who,white man?
My ancestors on my mother's side were already here when the first white European man arrived.
Not to mention the fact that the Spanish were already well established before the first Englishman landed on Roanoke Island in what is now called North Carolina.
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????
The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey
German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%
These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.
---------------------The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey
German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%
These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!
Lumping English and Irish together? Pretty risky.---------------------
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Which is why I used the broader label of Anglo-Saxon.
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@LegalAmericanWhy is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.
Individuals,of German or any other ethnic origin are NOT savages.
It is their political systems that are the savages that capture the people under their control and order them around.
This means BY EXTENSION the "true believers" in the absolute right of ANY political system is a savage,but you get the idea.
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.--------------------------
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Who is we?
The achievements of the Germans in Art (Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart) and Science
(Von Leibnitz/Calculus and Einstein/Relativity) rival those of Classical Greece!!!!!
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than any other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day . . .
My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?
My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass? It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.----------------------------
I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.
Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.
My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass? It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.
We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!
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Thank you for the numbers which I accept.
Russell Kirk's "American Order" affirmed our founding Anglo-Saxon Legacy.
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!
The problem with Germany is that, sure, only 33% of them supported National Socialism.Many of those who joined the Nazi party had come over from the Marxists. It's attraction, besides being more muscular, was it's nationalist component, as England and France were in the process of impoverishing Germany as a consequence of their losing WWI.
The other 67% supported communism, a form of socialism, and socialism, a form of socialism, and damn few supported freedom.
They deserved what they got.
More than 50% of the US supports fascism, a form of socialism, too.
Many of those who joined the Nazi party had come over from the Marxists. It's attraction, besides being more muscular, was it's nationalist component, as England and France were in the process of impoverishing Germany as a consequence of their losing WWI.
If the allies hadn't been such richards towards Germany following the great war all of Germany may well have ended up in the same camp as the international communists.
Sled Dog:
"The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House."
Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.
Sled Dog:
"The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House."
Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.
@Fishrrman @Sled Dog
Truth to tell,there is damn little practical difference between the two.
But it's funny watching the fascists of Aunty Fa pretend they oppose fascism, isn't it?
They pretend to be anarchists, too.
Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.
The only difference between fascists and communists is the pretense of private property ownership.
The only difference between fascists and communists is the pretense of private property ownership.
The thing is it's not entirely a pretense. Fascists (among whom the Chinese "Communists" should now be included) get the efficiencies of market economics to undergird their tyranny, Communists, properly so called, like the nitwits in Venezuela, think central control of the economy will work. It doesn't. Had WWII ended with the Nazis in control of most of Europe, descending into a Cold War between them and the Anglosphere, that Cold War would still be going on or would have gone hot again, with it unclear who would have won the next round. We managed to crush the first attempts at fascism, but unlike Communism, which we knew could not work in the long-run (cf. Hayek and vonMises's critiques), we can have no confidence that fascism can't work in the long run. Fascism is very attractive to the Davos crowd, tech oligarchs, the CCP, and everyone else who thinks they are smarter than everyone else, and therefore should be in charge (and who actually are smart enough to understand that central planning does not work).