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Title: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: mystery-ak on November 10, 2017, 04:44:59 pm
November 10, 2017
Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
By Brian C. Joondeph

Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore is the latest famous guy to be accused of sexual assault.  The Washington Post reported that Moore initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl, at a time when Moore was 32 years old.

Is this a hit piece to derail his candidacy, or is he truly a bad guy?  The story will play out over the next few days, making the answer clearer.  What's suspicious is the timing.

With choreography on par with Olympic synchronized swimming or figure skating, members of the GOP establishment are dancing in unison.  Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers would be jealous.

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/11/is_the_gop_establishment_behind_the_roy_moore_hit.html
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 10, 2017, 04:48:18 pm
What do you do if you are one of the most hated elected officials in the country like Mitch McConnell? You can't pass anything your voters want and you keep backing garbage candidates. Well if I was him I would try and make sure I got some candidates to lose so I could lose my majority in the Senate and then not have to bother with tax cuts and health care.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Bigun on November 10, 2017, 04:52:11 pm
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Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?

You bet your AZZ they are!
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 10, 2017, 04:53:21 pm
Yes it does look completely timed and coordinated on the GOP side.

The conservative media needs to earn it's salt and start digging.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: jpsb on November 10, 2017, 05:04:20 pm
The uniparty wants Trump impeached so the R wing of the uniparty is doing everything
it can to hand Congress to the Rats. The Rs do not want their finger prints on impeachment.
That would cause the deplorables to revolt, they want the Rats to do it. Which the Rats
will be more than happy to do. There end game is Trump either gone or badly damaged,
but without taking any of the blame. However I am of the opinion that us deplorables will
see thru this charade and revolt anyway should the uniparty plan come close to succeeding.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: skeeter on November 10, 2017, 05:11:16 pm
Who DIDN’T think the rodents habitating the uniparty wouldn’t come up with something like this at this time?

All the hyperventilating in response is tedious as well. As if this isn’t politically orchestrated & entirely predictable.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Oceander on November 10, 2017, 05:11:52 pm
The uniparty wants Trump impeached so the R wing of the uniparty is doing everything
it can to hand Congress to the Rats. The Rs do not want their finger prints on impeachment.
That would cause the deplorables to revolt, they want the Rats to do it. Which the Rats
will be more than happy to do. There end game is Trump either gone or badly damaged,
but without taking any of the blame. However I am of the opinion that us deplorables will
see thru this charade and revolt anyway should the uniparty plan come close to succeeding.

Careful there; the new Trump tariffs on Chinese aluminum foil are going to make your haberdashery rather more expensive.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: INVAR on November 10, 2017, 05:24:20 pm
Answer yes.  McConnell came out locally to state: "If these allegations are true, he must step aside."

First out of the gate with the demand.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 05:50:42 pm
The timing's good, because there's still time to get this bigoted assclown to step down in place of a better Republican candidate.

Here's the reality  - this was a damning and well-sourced story about a dude in his thirties chatting up and feeling up teenagers.   You have two choices for Senator from Alabama - Doug Jones, or a Republican.   And you won't get the Republican if his name is Roy Moore.   
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 05:51:15 pm
Answer yes.  McConnell came out locally to state: "If these allegations are true, he must step aside."

First out of the gate with the demand.

And if the allegations are true, you'll defend him?   
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: jpsb on November 10, 2017, 05:56:24 pm
And if the allegations are true, you'll defend him?   

That is a very big IF. You want to lose a GOP Senate seat over an IF?

What I have read is that there is not enough time to get Moores' name off the ballet
so we either go with Moore or lose the seat to the Rats. I'd hate to lose a reliable R
seat to the Rats for 6 years. I say go Judge Moore!
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: INVAR on November 10, 2017, 05:59:42 pm
And if the allegations are true, you'll defend him?   

You're such a freaking tyrannical hypocrite as to be laughable.

What happened to all your insistent lecturing about rallying around Leftist Republicans to be pragmatic like the Democrats???

I guess that only applies to Liberals, Christians of any stripe you hate with a passion.

We get that from you, so shove it.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: andy58-in-nh on November 10, 2017, 06:05:42 pm
Careful there; the new Trump tariffs on Chinese aluminum foil are going to make your haberdashery rather more expensive.
:silly:
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 06:36:28 pm
You're such a freaking tyrannical hypocrite as to be laughable.

What happened to all your insistent lecturing about rallying around Leftist Republicans to be pragmatic like the Democrats???

I guess that only applies to Liberals, Christians of any stripe you hate with a passion.

We get that from you, so shove it.

I'll rally around centrist Republicans and I'll rally around conservative Republicans.   But I won't defend - assuming the accusations are true, and the well-sourced and corroborated story sure appears damning  - a man who in his thirties (and in a position of power as a prosecutor) felt up and exposed himself to teenage girls.   

But you'll defend such a man.   Check.  Got it. 
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: INVAR on November 10, 2017, 06:57:24 pm
I'll rally around centrist Republicans and I'll rally around conservative Republicans.   But I won't defend - assuming the accusations are true, and the well-sourced and corroborated story sure appears damning  - a man who in his thirties (and in a position of power as a prosecutor) felt up and exposed himself to teenage girls.   

But you'll defend such a man.   Check.  Got it.

That's hilarious coming from a tyranny-advocate such as yourself that proclaims loudly that homosexual perverts are more moral the biblical Christians.

Your feigned outrage is duly noted and rejected as nothing more than grandstanding hypocrisy - which you are known for on this board.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: truth_seeker on November 10, 2017, 07:16:54 pm
I'll rally around centrist Republicans and I'll rally around conservative Republicans.   But I won't defend - assuming the accusations are true, and the well-sourced and corroborated story sure appears damning  - a man who in his thirties (and in a position of power as a prosecutor) felt up and exposed himself to teenage girls.   

But you'll defend such a man.   Check.  Got it.

Why do you assume guilt? Especially in light of the dems propensity for making false accusations, as a political tactic?

What if a 14 year old lied and said she was 16 or 17?

What if the dems found a current druggies, and offered her money or fame for lies? Do you put it past them to use such measures?



Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 07:19:31 pm
That's hilarious coming from a tyranny-advocate such as yourself that proclaims loudly that homosexual perverts are more moral the biblical Christians.

Your feigned outrage is duly noted and rejected as nothing more than grandstanding hypocrisy - which you are known for on this board.

I've never defended "perverts", homosexual or otherwise.  I've defended homosexual couples who desire to marry and remain faithful to each other.   

You are the one, it appears, ready and willing to defend a pervert (assuming the accusations are true).   
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 07:22:54 pm
Why do you assume guilt?

I haven't "assumed guilt".   But I have read the entire WaPost article.   It is well-sourced and the accused behavior is corroborated by multiple individuals who've come forward on the record.  Sure, the timing suggests it's a political hit.   But if it's true,  McConnell's right - Moore needs to step down.   
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: truth_seeker on November 10, 2017, 07:44:04 pm
I haven't "assumed guilt".   But I have read the entire WaPost article.   It is well-sourced and the accused behavior is corroborated by multiple individuals who've come forward on the record.  Sure, the timing suggests it's a political hit.   But if it's true,  McConnell's right - Moore needs to step down.   

Nobody will know with absolute certainty by the election. Are you okay with letting last minute hit jobs, take out candidates?

If it was Kasich, would you be okay with political hit jobs taking him out?

The left feel like they are on a roll, with this tactic. It worked with 'Reilly so they tried it with Hannitty. He fought back. And we hear nothing further.


Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: GrouchoTex on November 10, 2017, 07:51:34 pm
If true, step down. If not true, don't.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Due process, right to face their accusers, Trial by peers, etc....

You know, all that constitutional stuff we hold so dear.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: jpsb on November 10, 2017, 07:54:34 pm
That's hilarious coming from a tyranny-advocate such as yourself that proclaims loudly that homosexual perverts are more moral the biblical Christians.

Your feigned outrage is duly noted and rejected as nothing more than grandstanding hypocrisy - which you are known for on this board.

I rarely agree with you but I'd say you nailed here.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: Jazzhead on November 10, 2017, 08:00:21 pm
Nobody will know with absolute certainty by the election. Are you okay with letting last minute hit jobs, take out candidates?

If it was Kasich, would you be okay with political hit jobs taking him out?

The left feel like they are on a roll, with this tactic. It worked with 'Reilly so they tried it with Hannitty. He fought back. And we hear nothing further.

I'm not "okay" with it - it's political sleaze.   But if it's true (and it sure smells like it is, given the depth of the on-the-record reporting) it will spell Moore's doom in the election.   I'll be honest and say I never liked Moore to begin with, and wanted someone else to get the nomination.   So, yeah, I'm calling for fast action so the GOP can, hopefully, name another candidate.   If I were a Doug Jones supporter,  the first thing I'd cynically do is call on Moore to fight the charges,  and prevent the GOP from acting quickly to replace the candidate.   
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: jpsb on November 10, 2017, 08:05:18 pm
Why do you assume guilt? Especially in light of the dems propensity for making false accusations, as a political tactic?

What if a 14 year old lied and said she was 16 or 17?

What if the dems found a current druggies, and offered her money or fame for lies? Do you put it past them to use such measures?

Also over 40 years as an elected official and never a hint of a sex scandal until now.
One would think that if Moore chased teenage girls in the 70s he'd chase teenage girls
in the 80s and 90s too. The tiger does not change its' stripes.

I read he is a West Point Grad. It didn't look that up but if so it makes the accusations
even less likely to be true. West Pointers are taught honor. Back in the day honor was
very important to West Point.

Do we really want to give the Rats a winable senate seat for 6 years or maybe even
longer? Hell No!
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: jpsb on November 10, 2017, 08:10:05 pm
I'm not "okay" with it - it's political sleaze.   But if it's true (and it sure smells like it is, given the depth of the on-the-record reporting) it will spell Moore's doom in the election.   I'll be honest and say I never liked Moore to begin with, and wanted someone else to get the nomination.   So, yeah, I'm calling for fast action so the GOP can, hopefully, name another candidate.   If I were a Doug Jones supporter,  the first thing I'd cynically do is call on Moore to fight the charges,  and prevent the GOP from acting quickly to replace the candidate.

Moore name will be on the ballet, not enough time to change that. If Moore steps aside the Rat will win. Alabama will be represented in the Senate my a Democrat for at least 6 years. That is entirely to high a price to pay.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: INVAR on November 10, 2017, 08:14:24 pm
I've never defended "perverts", homosexual or otherwise.  I've defended homosexual couples who desire to marry and remain faithful to each other.

Once again you have illustrated yourself to be a liar in the space of one sentence.  Homosexuality is a perversion and wholly evil. Period.  End of sentence.  You defend perverts and tyrants and liberal-Leftist ideas at every turn on this board, while at the same time publicly advocating the punishment of those Christians who refuse to embrace the perversion and whom refuse to celebrate, serve or do business via promoting deviancy.   Your advocacy of tyranny is well established and known, regardless how many silly and inane attempts you make to justify them.

You lie within a single thought without even realizing it.  You did it on the thread arguing your absurd advocacy of requiring gun owners to obtain federal insurance in order to possess firearms and then called anyone opposing your advocacy to be 'selfish'.  Just like a hardcore Liberal Leftist, you are a grand liar and an obfuscator of what you, yourself state openly when called out on it.   

You are the one, it appears, ready and willing to defend a pervert (assuming the accusations are true).

I've said absolutely nothing in regards to the allegations against Moore outside of what McConnell and the zeitgeist of politicos engaged in destroying political opponents with miraculous decades-old accusations of inappropriate sexual advances.

As Smokin' Joe rightly noted - it appears he turned his life to the Lord shortly before he got married and repented of hitting on young women.  Show us proof he was a serial abuser of young women since then and your desire to hand the seat over to the Democrat will have merit.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 11, 2017, 07:06:58 pm
The timing's good, because there's still time to get this bigoted assclown to step down in place of a better Republican candidate.

Here's the reality  - this was a damning and well-sourced story about a dude in his thirties chatting up and feeling up teenagers.   You have two choices for Senator from Alabama - Doug Jones, or a Republican.   And you won't get the Republican if his name is Roy Moore.
Why not call him racist, pedophile, Islamophobic while you are at it?  Nothing is too bad to call someone who believes in the Bible and puts God before man is there?

Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: TomSea on November 13, 2017, 03:27:27 pm
George Wallace we learn more and more about, was not really that racist guy he is depicted to be. He even worked at times, before being governor at causes to reconcile the races.  But Wallace turn out to be a political opportunist. Maybe it's the same for Moore.  We don't know what is in a man's heart.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: TomSea on November 13, 2017, 03:29:49 pm
Luther Strange was down to Moore 19 points 3 weeks out from the election.  Why hold this back then?

Washington Post is generally seen as being liberal and pro-Democrat.

WP is owned by Bezos, WP also endorsed the Democratic candidate Doug Jones.

As usual, we will hear this paranoia from those who basically have helped Obama win and would have helped Hillary win. Let's not forget this scandal either.  We are all entitled to our views, at times, we need to compromise too.
Title: Re: Is the GOP establishment behind the Roy Moore hit?
Post by: kidd on November 13, 2017, 04:39:39 pm
I haven't "assumed guilt".   But I have read the entire WaPost article.   It is well-sourced and the accused behavior is corroborated by multiple individuals who've come forward on the record.  Sure, the timing suggests it's a political hit.   But if it's true,  McConnell's right - Moore needs to step down.   
I tend to not believe the WaPo article
1) The timing is highly suspicious. Both the number of years since the occurrence AND the present political situation
2) The accuser is now a DNC employee and has every motive to make a false claim
3) I regard the WaPo as having low credibility due to extreme liberal bias
4) WaPo can make this claim without any accountability or proof. It's a free shot.
5) Child molesters have a very low rate of cure. There is zero evidence that Ray Moore has had any recent encounters.