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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 02:27:35 pm
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Movie Guide 11/21/2023
Prosecutors are getting ready to present evidence to a grand jury concerning Alec Baldwin and the fatal shooting that took place on the set of RUST.
It’s unknown if the criminal charges against Baldwin will be revived.
“Special prosecutors initially dismissed an involuntary manslaughter charge against Baldwin in April, saying they were informed the gun might have been modified before the shooting and malfunctioned,” USA Today reported. “They later pivoted after receiving a new analysis of the gun and will ask a grand jury to consider recharging Baldwin.”
USA Today added, “Baldwin, lead actor and co-producer of RUST, was pointing a gun at cinematographer Halyna Hutchins during a rehearsal on a movie set outside Santa Fe in October 2021 when the gun went off, killing her and wounding director Joel Souza. Baldwin has said he pulled back the hammer — but not the trigger — and the gun fired.”
While Baldwin and his legal team have asserted that he did not pull the trigger on the gun – and is therefore not liable for the accident – both the FBI and independent weapons examiners have confirmed that the trigger had to have been pulled for the gun to go off.
More: https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/grand-jury-considers-recharging-alec-baldwin-in-rust-shooting.html (https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/grand-jury-considers-recharging-alec-baldwin-in-rust-shooting.html)
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While Baldwin and his legal team have asserted that he did not pull the trigger on the gun – and is therefore not liable for the accident – both the FBI and independent weapons examiners have confirmed that the trigger had to have been pulled for the gun to go off.
This is something that anyone who looked at the particular gun that he held knew on day one, the only reason he wasn't charged correctly was that he was a quasi famous democrat.
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I really dislike Alex Baldwin, but.... I don't understand him being charged with something due to the simple fact that most actors would naturally consider any gun "on set" of being nothing but loud cap guns. I would imagine Alex being the borderline metro-fag-loudmouth-commie-gun-grabber he is, probable never fired a real firearm "on purpose" in his life. It was someone else's job to make sure guns on set were not with live ammo, actors are just too jelly-headed to be tasked with something like the 4 primary rules of gun safety the rest of us observe.
Again, Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind if three quarters of Hollywood shot themselves, but honestly, I see this as an accident by giving a childish moron a loaded gun by error.
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I really dislike Alex Baldwin, but.... I don't understand him being charged with something due to the simple fact that most actors would naturally consider any gun "on set" of being nothing but loud cap guns. I would imagine Alex being the borderline metro-fag-loudmouth-commie-gun-grabber he is, probable never fired a real firearm "on purpose" in his life. It was someone else's job to make sure guns on set were not with live ammo, actors are just too jelly-headed to be tasked with something like the 4 primary rules of gun safety the rest of us observe.
Again, Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind if three quarters of Hollywood shot themselves, but honestly, I see this as an accident by giving a childish moron a loaded gun by error.
First of all Baldwin was a producer and had a role in a totally unqualified armorer on the set and lack of response to all sorts of people on the set using live ammunition in the 'prop' gun for 'target shooting'(F'ing around) Secondly Baldwin had been on many motion pictures where firearms were used and was well of the industry standards for handling weapons, the requirement that not only the armorer physically show that the gun was unloaded when giving it to the actor, but that the actor physically verify that the weapon is unloaded. Along with all of that that @ss not only pointed the gun in a unsafe direction, he cocked it and pulled the trigger(the only way that particular weapon can fire because it has a transfer bar safety) Baldwin is over due for reaping the rewards of his actions.
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First of all Baldwin was a producer and had a role in a totally unqualified armorer on the set and lack of response to all sorts of people on the set using live ammunition in the 'prop' gun for 'target shooting'(F'ing around) Secondly Baldwin had been on many motion pictures where firearms were used and was well of the industry standards for handling weapons, the requirement that not only the armorer physically show that the gun was unloaded when giving it to the actor, but that the actor physically verify that the weapon is unloaded. Along with all of that that @ss not only pointed the gun in a unsafe direction, he cocked it and pulled the trigger(the only way that particular weapon can fire because it has a transfer bar safety) Baldwin is over due for reaping the rewards of his actions.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/ot-can-mechanics-disprove-or-substantiate-alec-baldwin-claims.540177/ (https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/ot-can-mechanics-disprove-or-substantiate-alec-baldwin-claims.540177/)
To resolve an ambiguity that I kept reading in press reports, I researched and determined that the Pietta revolver used by Alec Baldwin did not have a transfer bar. I examined both lines of the Pietta reproductions on PiettaUSA. I realized that only the revolvers in the Pietta Maverick line have the transfer bar, which makes it impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled. No Pietta Mavericks are available in .45 Long Colt. Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza specifically identified the gun used in the shooting as "a F.lli Pietta long Colt 45 revolver". I verified that all 18 models in the Pietta 1873 Great Western II line are available in .45 Long Colt (as well as .357 magnum).
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Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter for a second time over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
By Social Links for Andy Tillett
Published Jan. 19, 2024, 2:32 p.m. ET
Alec Baldwin has been charged with involuntary manslaughter over the fatal shooting on the set of “Rust” for a second time.
The actor has been indicted by a grand jury in New Mexico over the death of Halyna Hutchins, who was struck with a live bullet which had been loaded into a prop gun for a scene.
“The above named defendant did cause the death of Halyna Hutchins by an act committed with the total disregard of indifference for the safety of others,” the indictment obtained by The Post read.
This is a developing story, please check back for updates.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/19/news/alec-baldwin-charged-with-involuntary-manslaughter-over-rust-shooting/
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UPDATE
Grand jury indicts actor Alec Baldwin in 2021 death of cinematographer
The 65-year-old Baldwin was initially charged in the case in January 2023.
JustTheNews (https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/grand-jury-indicts-actor-alex-baldwin?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tw)
Published: January 19, 2024 2:35pm
Updated: January 19, 2024 2:40pm
Actor Alec Baldwin was indicted Friday on charges of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the 2021 death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while they were make a movie in New Mexico.
The 65-year-old Baldwin was initially charged in the case in January 2023. But the charges were dropped three months later, according to Variety magazine.
At issue is whether his Colt .45 was functioning properly when it fired.
Hutchins was preparing to film a scene with Baldwin at a ranch near Santa Fe, N.M., in October 2021 when the gun went off. Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger. ...
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Alec Baldwin has been charged with involuntary manslaughter over the fatal shooting on the set of “Rust” for a second time.
The actor has been indicted by a grand jury in New Mexico over the death of Halyna Hutchins, who was struck with a live bullet which had been loaded into a prop gun for a scene, which was being rehearsed in October 2021 during filming of the ill-fated western.
“The above named defendant did cause the death of Halyna Hutchins by an act committed with the total disregard of indifference for the safety of others,” the indictment obtained by The Post read.
Baldwin has always denied the charges and maintained he never pulled the trigger on the day of the tragedy.
The Western film’s director, Joel Souza, was also injured in the accidental firing of the gun.
Baldwin had previously been charged with the same crime by the Santa Fe district attorney in January 2022.
He pleaded not guilty, but the case fell apart and the charges were dropped in April that year after it was determined further tests needed to be done on the weapon which fired the bullet.
However, the DA was clear the door would be left open to re-file the charges.
Prosecutors have also charged “Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who oversaw the weapons on the movie set, with the same crime.
She has pleaded not guilty and is currently awaiting trial.
If convicted, Baldwin could face 18 months in prison.
This is a developing story, please check back for updates.
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Jan 19, 2024
BREAKING: Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico grand jury
Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins on the set of the movie "Rust" in 2021.
Katie Daviscourt, Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-alec-baldwin-charged-with-involuntary-manslaughter-by-new-mexico-grand-jury?utm_campaign=64466)
Actor Alex Baldwin has been indicted on involuntary manslaughter over the shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins on the set of the movie "Rust" in 2021.
On Friday, the grand jury in New Mexico decided to indict Alex Baldwin after hearing evidence presented by special prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis. A single count of involuntary manslaughter was brought against him, according to NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-indicted-manslaughter-charge-rust-shooting-rcna134564).
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I really dislike Alex Baldwin, but.... I don't understand him being charged with something due to the simple fact that most actors would naturally consider any gun "on set" of being nothing but loud cap guns. I would imagine Alex being the borderline metro-fag-loudmouth-commie-gun-grabber he is, probable never fired a real firearm "on purpose" in his life. It was someone else's job to make sure guns on set were not with live ammo, actors are just too jelly-headed to be tasked with something like the 4 primary rules of gun safety the rest of us observe.
Again, Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind if three quarters of Hollywood shot themselves, but honestly, I see this as an accident by giving a childish moron a loaded gun by error.
Baldwin hired the crew, while cutting corners to save money. He was in charge of all aspects of production including the set. It was his show.
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I imagine Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will draw a tougher sentence, being the Armorer.
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I imagine Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will draw a tougher sentence, being the Armorer.
Doing target practice with the same gun on the set grounds is a serious breach of safety... If Baldwin was part of that target practice that elevates his responsibility dramatically.
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Testing Alec Baldwin's Revolver Theory
Brandon Herrera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5NI1fTx8tI&t=0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5NI1fTx8tI&t=0)
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No matter how you jiggle, no matter how you dance,
The person most responsible is the one with his finger on the trigger.
YOU... Any one of y'all knows that is true. Ignorance is no excuse.
He should have cleared the gun. Personally. His own self.
I sure as hell would.
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But you are an experienced gun owner, he's a brainless actor. **nononono*
He's a man.
Over 21.
Ignorance is no excuse.
He either should have known to clear the pistol,
Or not been messin with it.
Brainless or not. His finger pulled the trigger.
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But you are an experienced gun owner, he's a brainless actor. **nononono*
Baldwin, who having been on numerous sets with firearms, knew exactly what the proper procedure as required by industry standards was each and every time he took possession of a prop gun from the armorer/propmaster. This wasn't his first rodeo he dosen't get to claim ignorance. Here is a little quote from Baldwin that some might find pertinent.
When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said: "They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume – my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay – is all right at my fingertips at all times."[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(upcoming_film)
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He's a man.
Over 21.
Ignorance is no excuse.
He either should have known to clear the pistol,
Or not been messin with it.
Brainless or not. His finger pulled the trigger.
I'd like him to claim ignorance of proper procedures and say he was never required to verify the status of a firearm handed to him on a set before and then have the armorer/propmasters from all the movies he did using guns to be called by the prosecution to refute him.
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I'd like him to claim ignorance of proper procedures and say he was never required to verify the status of a firearm handed to him on a set before and then have the armorer/propmasters from all the movies he did using guns to be called by the prosecution to refute him.
The complications necessarily cannot apply or you suffer the precedent that irresponsibility is not the fault of the user. It is necessary that responsibility is preserved.
In the end, the guy that pulls the trigger bears the weight.
If anything, the armorer is merely complicit. It is the shooter that MUST know.
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If an interstate trucker is required to log 15-30 minutes doing a pre-trip inspection on his vehicle before driving, then a person can do a 10-sec check on a firearm to see if it is loaded. For a truck driver, if he departs from the terminal and then kills someone two minutes later because the brakes failed, it is his fault for not checking them before driving off. He is liable.
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Yet if I put a cigarette in my mouth and I get cancer (even after all of the warnings), it's the tobacco company's fault.
So you're saying that they should go after F.lli Pietta for making the handgun? There's too many Karens in the world with thoughts like that.
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Gun Safety Beyond the Four Rules
NRA Women by Jo Deering
You know the Three (or Four) Rules of gun safety—but there are more “rules” you should consider to get the most out of your gun ownership.
(https://www.nrawomen.com/media/nprb1i1e/gunsite-safety-rules-sign.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=132866092801470000&quality=60)
Depending on who you’re asking, there are either three or four major rules of gun safety. Both methods cover the same ground but are phrased a little differently. The NRA often uses the following three:
1. Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot.
3. Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Gunsite Academy teaches four:
1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you’re not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and what’s beyond it.
Both sets of rules are safe and effective. They have built-in redundancy, so that if a person should accidentally or negligently break one rule, as long as they’re following the other rules, the chance of disastrous consequences remains extremely low. You’ll find these rules posted at nearly every shooting range in the nation, and for good reason—they are vital in helping to keep the shooting sports safe and enjoyable for everyone.
There is no substitute for the Big Four rules of gun safety, but there are several rules that go a step or two beyond them that can help you have a better firearms experience.
1. Store the gun securely. What this looks like and how you accomplish it is up to you, but for safety’s sake, you should store your firearms so that they’re not accessible to unauthorized persons. Whatever form that takes in your home, be diligent about making sure children, visitors or anyone else who shouldn’t be handling your firearms unsupervised cannot get to them.
2. Understand how your gun operates and what ammunition it needs. It’s easy to accidentally create a dangerous situation when you don’t have a firm grasp on how your gun actually functions. Spend time shooting it at the range, but also spend time taking it apart and putting it back together so that you know it intimately and understand how it operates.
3. Never rely on the gun’s safety alone. Take advantage of the safety if your gun has one, but remember that as a mechanical device, it is subject to failure. You cannot trust the safety to keep you completely safe—you must still observe the Big Three or Big Four gun rules even when the safety is on.
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8. No showboating, horseplay or casual handling. I don’t know what it is about carrying a new gun for the first time that makes everyone want to whip it out and show their friends, but resist the urge. Keep it holstered. If you’re going to hand a firearm to someone to inspect, always clear it first and hand it over in a safe condition (bolt back, action broken open, or slide locked back).
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And lastly, don’t tolerate people who violate safety rules. I don’t hunt or shoot with people who exhibit lax safety behavior, and if someone shows up at an unmanned range doing something I consider unsafe, I pack up and leave, even if I just arrived. You are welcome to have a discussion about safety with them if you are so inclined, but keep it exceedingly polite, and be willing to back out if you get any pushback.
Hunting and the shooting sports are among the safest sports in the world, statistically speaking. Let’s keep them that way by observing the major and minor safety rules.
More: https://www.nrawomen.com/content/gun-safety-beyond-the-four-rules/ (https://www.nrawomen.com/content/gun-safety-beyond-the-four-rules/)
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Doing target practice with the same gun on the set grounds is a serious breach of safety... If Baldwin was part of that target practice that elevates his responsibility dramatically.
DB
Even ALLOWING live ammo on a movie or tv set is an insane act of stupidity. For this reason alone,I am in favor of the Prop Manager getting some time for "depraved indifference to human life".
Show me ONE prop manager on ANY movie set that doesn't understand that actors are adults with the mentality of small children,and treats them accordingly when it comes to handing them weapons.
I can't remember who originated the "saying" that "IF accidents CAN occur,they WILL occur!",but they were spot-on.
IF convicted,Baldwin should get,at a MINIMUM,a sentence for a charge of something like "Depraved indifference for human life."
Yeah,he IS a numbnuts who supposedly hates any guns not carried by his bodyguards,but he HAS handled guns on his movie roles for all his life,which means he HAS to have known how they work so he could check them himself for live ammo.
Hell,I wouldn't be surprised that despite his PC hatred for guns,to learn that he owns several,and some are no doubt "full auto" weapons.
Basic rule number one IS "You NEVER point a firearm at anyone unless you are in fear of your life and intend on shooting them if necessary."
IF Baldin was just "playing around",WHY didn't he point it slightly off to the side so that IF an ammo mistake had been made,no one would have been hurt?
After all,it ain't like he was a 13 year old with a gun in his hand for the first time in his life.
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He's a man.
Over 21.
Ignorance is no excuse.
He either should have known to clear the pistol,
Or not been messin with it.
Brainless or not. His finger pulled the trigger.
@roamer_1
He is NOT ignorant about how guns operate,or how to fire them. Even IF he has no guns at home,which I SERIOUSLY doubt,he has been handling and firing guns on movie sets his entire adult life,and in recent years he has been producing movies with firearms being used,and you can bet your bippy his insurance agent has made him aware of the results of ignoring firearms safety rules.
AFATG,I would be shocked to find out the production company and/or actor unions didn't have representatives on the set to make sure everything was safe. We are talking about some SERIOUS money being paid out from insurance company funds if someone on the set dies from carelessness. I AM just guessing here,but lawyers and insurance companies seem to joined at the hip.
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I'd like him to claim ignorance of proper procedures and say he was never required to verify the status of a firearm handed to him on a set before and then have the armorer/propmasters from all the movies he did using guns to be called by the prosecution to refute him.
@GtHawk
I hope I am wrong about this,but I suspect that the lawyers from the insurance companies that represent their interests would all get together and back Baldwin as an act of "self-defense".
Big-Bucks lawsuits ain't about justice,they are about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
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If an interstate trucker is required to log 15-30 minutes doing a pre-trip inspection on his vehicle before driving, then a person can do a 10-sec check on a firearm to see if it is loaded. For a truck driver, if he departs from the terminal and then kills someone two minutes later because the brakes failed, it is his fault for not checking them before driving off. He is liable.
@Hoodat
Yeah,but a truck driver doesn't have a whole corporate team of cold-blooded lawyers representing him.
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Yet if I put a cigarette in my mouth and I get cancer (even after all of the warnings), it's the tobacco company's fault.
@Jack Russell
Not anymore. I suspect the natives in places like VERY remote tropical islands have now heard about the dangers of tobacco use.
BTW,are tobacco companies even allowed to advertise anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an add by a cigarette company on tv or anywhere else.
BTW,part of that might be because if I did spot one,I would have ignored it.
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The complications necessarily cannot apply or you suffer the precedent that irresponsibility is not the fault of the user. It is necessary that responsibility is preserved.
In the end, the guy that pulls the trigger bears the weight.
If anything, the armorer is merely complicit. It is the shooter that MUST know.
I think I either misstated or wasn't clear, I am in no way trying to give the dumbass an out, I'm saying that he can't claim ignorance because I am sure that on the big budget movies he was on, the armorers enforced the industry standard of actors having to verify any weapon handed to them being unloaded and safe. And this arrogant ass was on a bunch of movies where he handled guns.
This Wikipedia article(I know Wikipedia :shrug:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident has some interesting information including the events of the day of the shooting, the 'armorer's' background and the assistant director Halls who is the one that 'checked' the gun and declared it cold before handing it to Baldwin who did not verify the weapon himself.
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Yet if I put a cigarette in my mouth and I get cancer (even after all of the warnings), it's the tobacco company's fault.
Yup we live in a world where there is no personal responsibility for actions, especially if some shyster thinks he can make a buck off of it.
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Never Actors? What about, Never Repubs? Never Conservatives? Never Civilians?
Who decides who can have weapons?
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They should never allow an actor to ever hold a gun capable of shooting a live round, then there would never be a problem. Who as kids aimed a cap gun at friends and pulled the trigger? Yup I did. We even shot bb guns at one another, but thankfully no one was ever seriously injured.
They were using the same gun with live ammo target practicing. Incredibly stupid. It was Balwin's set and he hired everyone there.
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They were using the same gun with live ammo target practicing. Incredibly stupid. It was Balwin's set and he hired everyone there.
Yeah, I doubt there was anyone on set who didn't know it was a "real" revolver and not just a toy. When I think how careful folks like us are on the shooting range, double and triple-checking whether a pistol gun is loaded, chambered, etc., and how much on-set experience Baldwin has had with weapons (probably used one in at least half of the films he's made), it's not hard to say he should have known not to pull the trigger without first knowing whether it was loaded (and he did pull the trigger, it didn't just go off on its own).
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They should never allow an actor to ever hold a gun capable of shooting a live round, then there would never be a problem. Who as kids aimed a cap gun at friends and pulled the trigger? Yup I did. We even shot bb guns at one another, but thankfully no one was ever seriously injured.
On the set of Rust everything was done on the cheap so they hired a person as armorer that had only one production as primary armorer under her belt, there were numerous complaints by union crew that the set was unsafe and on the day of the shooting the gun was used, by crewmembers that had been dismissed, for target practice practice shooting beer cans while waiting for transportation. Bottom line the entire production was a cockup from start to finish with industry standards and rules for safety ignored by the armorer, producers, directors and Baldwin who was no novice when it came to handling weapons on a movie set.
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The actors needed "play" guns and if they wanted to target shoot, fine, just use a gun capable of live rounds, just never mix the two. Even though I can't stand Alec Baldwin, he had no intention of shooting a live round, accidents happen. I've had a gun go off before while quail hunting when I was in college, yes it was an accident and yes the gun was pointed to the sky. It scared the crap out of me. Heck I had a brand new Browning auto misfire then delay fire. Thankfully a local gunsmith fixed it.
Intentions don't mean shit when you incompetently handle a firearm and intentions is probably one of the main reasons he wasn't charged with more than involuntary homicide. Baldwin was negligent he didn't follow industry standards, he didn't follow basic firearm safety...and he pulled the damn trigger which is why someone died, and that's the bottom line. Also only God and Alec Baldwin knew what he intended that day, not you nor I.
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I think I either misstated or wasn't clear, I am in no way trying to give the dumbass an out, I'm saying that he can't claim ignorance because I am sure that on the big budget movies he was on, the armorers enforced the industry standard of actors having to verify any weapon handed to them being unloaded and safe. And this arrogant ass was on a bunch of movies where he handled guns.
This Wikipedia article(I know Wikipedia :shrug:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident has some interesting information including the events of the day of the shooting, the 'armorer's' background and the assistant director Halls who is the one that 'checked' the gun and declared it cold before handing it to Baldwin who did not verify the weapon himself.
I read the article...so Hannah Reed was not the Armorer the day of the shooting, and was removed from the job 4 days prior? She may have had no responsibility at all.
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I read the article...so Hannah Reed was not the Armorer the day of the shooting, and was removed from the job 4 days prior? She may have had no responsibility at all.
I hadn't heard that before. If true, she should be completely off the hook.
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I hadn't heard that before. If true, she should be completely off the hook.
Well, it's Wiki, but it does say that in the link in the post I was quoting. I had not heard it before, either.
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I read the article...so Hannah Reed was not the Armorer the day of the shooting, and was removed from the job 4 days prior? She may have had no responsibility at all.
I think you read correctly on the day of the sooting she was just a props assistant but she did check the gun earlier that day. under the header Preparations For Rehearsal third paragraph:
According to a search warrant, the guns were briefly checked by armorer Gutierrez-Reed, before assistant director Halls took the Pietta revolver from the prop cart and handed it to Baldwin.[38][39] In a subsequent affidavit, Halls said the safety protocol regarding this firearm was such that Halls would open the loading gate of the revolver and rotate the cylinder to expose the chambers so he could inspect them himself. According to the affidavit, Halls said he did not check all cylinder chambers, but he recalled seeing three rounds in the cylinder at the time. (After the shooting, Halls said in the affidavit, Gutierrez-Reed retrieved the weapon and opened it, and Halls said that he saw four rounds which were plainly blanks, and one which could have been the remaining shell of a discharged live round.)[40] In the warrant, it is further stated that Halls announced the term "cold gun", meaning that it was empty.[38] Halls's lawyer, Lisa Torraco, later sought to assert that he did not take the gun off the cart and hand it to Baldwin as reported, but when pressed by a reporter to be clear, she refused to repeat that assertion.[41]
Now what I want to Know is, if Guitierrez -Reed wasn't the last one to check the gun, assistant director Hall was the last one and declared it cold and handed it to Baldwin, why are they charging Gutierrez-Reed instead of Hall or whoever was the acting armorer after they demoted Gutierrez-Reed(I'll just call her Reed) While Reed along with others in control exhibited a total lack of safety concern and proper procedures on set prior to the incident, she was demoted to props assistant days before the incident and wasn't the last one to check the gun or hand it to Baldwin, it seems strange to charge her with involuntary manslaughter. There were reports earlier after the shooting that said the prop gun was loaded and left on a table, everyone went to lunch and no one checked the gun again until rehearsal. Also why did Reed load the gun without supervision if she was demoted to prop assistant, was there no armorer on set to insure safety? Anyway here's a recent article on Reed https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust-armorer-leniency-if-explained-source-bullet-1235874734/
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Now what I want to Know is, if Guitierrez -Reed wasn't the last one to check the gun, assistant director Hall was the last one and declared it cold and handed it to Baldwin, why are they charging Gutierrez-Reed instead of Hall or whoever was the acting armorer after they demoted Gutierrez-Reed
Because G-Reed is the designated fall person since she can't afford to get a good attorney like everyone else involved.
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Never Actors? What about, Never Repubs? Never Conservatives? Never Civilians?
Who decides who can have weapons?
@Elderberry
I am reasonably certain the comment was handing weapons to actors on a movie set,where it is GUARANTEED that at some point will be pointed at other actors and have the trigger pulled,and the end result be an actor or actors killed by accident due to neglect.
There really is no reason for this to happen and it wouldn't happen if they only used "movie guns" that had been modified to never even chamber live ammo,never mind fire it.
And it's not even a complicated operation or expensive operation. The typical movie set probably spends more on lunch for the cast and crew than it would cost.
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I dunno why she stuck around after being demoted like that, other than the fact she was rather poor. She was living in my small town here in Mohave County, in a bad part of town. Her father, a famous Armorer, also lives (or lived, don't know that either) in Mohave.
Her being poor may have had something to do with why she's charged.
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Intentions don't mean shit when you incompetently handle a firearm and intentions is probably one of the main reasons he wasn't charged with more than involuntary homicide. Baldwin was negligent he didn't follow industry standards, he didn't follow basic firearm safety...and he pulled the damn trigger which is why someone died, and that's the bottom line. Also only God and Alec Baldwin knew what he intended that day, not you nor I.
@GtHawk
I would THINK it would be a reasonable assumption to assume that Baldwin HAD fired live rounds at targets,and MAYBE even game at one time or another,so he would have some idea of what bullets did to flesh and blood animals and humans.
Even in a movie and shooting a "prop gun",why the HELL would you even actually take aim at another human unless you intended to shoot them?
Why now aim off to the side or above their heads,even when you think you are firing a blank gun? The audience will never know,so what's the big deal?
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@GtHawk
I am sure you are aware of the most basic of firearms statements/laws that state "You NEVER point a firearm as anything you don't intend to shoot."
There was absolutely nothing preventing Baldwin from aiming off to the side,instead of directly at the person he shot.
He can't even claim stress because they were fooling around between takes.
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Because G-Reed is the designated fall person since she can't afford to get a good attorney like everyone else involved.
@Hoodat
Sadly,that probable sums it up. Prosecutors only want to put people on trial they know they can convict.
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@GtHawk
I would THINK it would be a reasonable assumption to assume that Baldwin HAD fired live rounds at targets,and MAYBE even game at one time or another,so he would have some idea of what bullets did to flesh and blood animals and humans.
Even in a movie and shooting a "prop gun",why the HELL would you even actually take aim at another human unless you intended to shoot them?
Why now aim off to the side or above their heads,even when you think you are firing a blank gun? The audience will never know,so what's the big deal?
I'll just repost a quote from Baldwin, and keep in mind this idiot has been on many movies where he handled guns, including westerns, and I will bet dollars to donuts that none of those movies were as poorly and cheaply run as RUST so they would have had armorers following industry standards. Here's the quote:
When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said: "They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume – my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay – is all right at my fingertips at all times."[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(upcoming_film)
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I'll just repost a quote from Baldwin, and keep in mind this idiot has been on many movies where he handled guns, including westerns, and I will bet dollars to donuts that none of those movies were as poorly and cheaply run as RUST so they would have had armorers following industry standards. Here's the quote:
When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said: "They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume – my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay – is all right at my fingertips at all times."[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(upcoming_film)
Hey, a donut probably costs more than a dollar these days...
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Hey, a donut probably costs more than a dollar these days...
But he was correct that Rust is/was considered a low-budget movie. Corners were cut, low level folks like prop handler were poorly paid.