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'They're like war zones': Trump criticizes mayors —Democratic ones — over crime surges
Crystal Hill
Crystal HillReporter
Yahoo NewsJuly 15, 2020, 1:40 PM
President Trump on Wednesday criticized the leadership of cities he likened to “war zones,†hinting that he may seek to have the federal government intervene to bring down crime rates.
Trump spoke from the Oval Office at an event called to discuss the Justice Department’s efforts to take down the international crime gang MS-13. But he went on to criticize local officials in cities such as Minneapolis and Chicago who, he said, have done a poor job at containing violence in their communities.
“They’re like war zones,†he told reporters. “And if the city isn’t going to straighten it out, if local politicians, all in this case, I don’t say this for political reasons, they’re all Democrats. They’re liberal, left-wing Democrats. And it’s almost like they think this is going to be this way forever, where in Chicago, 68 people were shot and 18 died last week. We’re not gonna put up with that.â€
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/
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How many times is he going to say this? In Minnesota Sharia Law is looking to come in and replace police. They have already started Sharia patrols. In Seattle we had autonomous zones. Those also are the beginning of voids Islam can use to replace law enforcement with Sharia Law. We have already created law in Washington that allows Islamic banking. Its the next step.
Trump says these situations are like war zones. They are. Lawlessness abounds and Trump talks. Little children are being shot. Chaos is in our streets. When is it time to apply Insurrection Act? How far will we let this go before Islam takes its place as they have in Dearborn Michigan and parts of Minnesota?
What does the Constitution mean to America? Are we going to sit back and talk about doing something?
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How many times is he going to say this? In Minnesota
Until somebody locates a Republican Mayor allowing Anarchists to run wild. Still waiting....
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Yahoo is irritated Trump doesn't do what the rat media does when reporting progressive/rat misbehavior - try to pretend 'everybody else is doing it, too'.
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
Butbutbut! Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads! That's it, I can't vote for him now.
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Butbutbut! Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads! That's it, I can't vote for him now.
You jest... but the leftist officials are still holding out hope that Trump will act like the dictator they've been accusing him of, and do just that. It would make for a fine Biden campaign slogan in October.
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You jest... but the leftist officials are still holding out hope that Trump will act like the dictator they've been accusing him of, and do just that. It would make for a fine Biden campaign slogan in October.
The media ‘pivot’ from Trump the impotent to Trump the fascist will set world records.
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The media ‘pivot’ from Trump the impotent to Trump the fascist will set world records.
They think that if they keep poking the bear that the bear will finally do something they can use against him.
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What does the Constitution mean to America? Are we going to sit back and talk about doing something?
Do something about what exactly? By your own admission, sharia has not been implemented anywhere in the US. How is the Constitution being violated?
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
Precisely.
Had Trump stepped to the fore, while many might have praised that for leadership, it would also fall under the penumbra of abuse of power, legally. He has sidestepped that tiger pit, and the blame falls squarely on those who have not only not been doing their jobs, but who have prevented others (police) from doing theirs.
The local and State remedies must be exhausted first.
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Butbutbut! Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads! That's it, I can't vote for him now.
Worse still, Trump didn't give Pelosiroo, Schifftyroo, and Nadleroo a valid reason to impeach Trump! GRRRRR!!! Orange Man BAD!!!
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
Yes you are correct. However, Trump still has the authority under the Insurrection Act to respond. He doesn't need an invitation from the governor of the state to respond as others have suggested. It would seem to me that in NY and Portland that neither the city or state officials are doing their jobs and so the innocents sit and watch their cities be destroyed. If any of those are Independents, why would they vote for Trump?
So hypothetically, let's say that Biden wins the election -- do you really think that the DEMS are going to continue to let city after city burn and be destroyed or do you think that they're going to ask for some help and the DEMS will be glorified for bringing peace to cities when the GOP (Trump) failed to do so.
Those who support the anarchy going on aren't going to vote for Trump anyways and those who are staunch DEM aren't going to vote for him either.
So far Trump's response is not to respond other than make idle threats for the podium.
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Worse still, Trump didn't give Pelosiroo, Schifftyroo, and Nadleroo a valid reason to impeach Trump! GRRRRR!!! Orange Man BAD!!!
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Reason? They don need no steenken reason!
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Reason? They don need no steenken reason!
They have made that apparent by their last fiasco, but given something which has a real charge, round two would not be so summarily dismissed.
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Yes you are correct. However, Trump still has the authority under the Insurrection Act to respond. He doesn't need an invitation from the governor of the state to respond as others have suggested. It would seem to me that in NY and Portland that neither the city or state officials are doing their jobs and so the innocents sit and watch their cities be destroyed. If any of those are Independents, why would they vote for Trump?
So hypothetically, let's say that Biden wins the election -- do you really think that the DEMS are going to continue to let city after city burn and be destroyed or do you think that they're going to ask for some help and the DEMS will be glorified for bringing peace to cities when the GOP (Trump) failed to do so.
Those who support the anarchy going on aren't going to vote for Trump anyways and those who are staunch DEM aren't going to vote for him either.
So far Trump's response is not to respond other than make idle threats for the podium.
He is showing restraint, IMO.... much to the RL's chagrin. They would much rather him go blowing into all those leftist cities with the US military and play Rambo. He is apparently too smart to fall for that bait. And I'm convinced that is what all of this anarchy and chaos is intended to do... besides make a sticky situation for Trump. It's designed to cause him to go Rambo so they can....yes, again (and again)... begin the impeachment process and then have Biden win in November.
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They have made that apparent by their last fiasco, but given something which has a real charge, round two would not be so summarily dismissed.
Only if they can prompt him into making a mega mistake could they impeach again right now. He's not falling for it (so far).
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He is showing restraint, IMO.... much to the RL's chagrin. They would much rather him go blowing into all those leftist cities with the US military and play Rambo. He is apparently too smart to fall for that bait. And I'm convinced that is what all of this anarchy and chaos is intended to do... besides make a sticky situation for Trump. It's designed to cause him to go Rambo so they can....yes, again (and again)... begin the impeachment process and then have Biden win in November.
In the same light, without Trump doing anything, the anarchy continues and we know by what has happened at his rally in OK and his speech at Rushmore that there was interference from the BLM/Antifa and other subversive groups. Since this has been allowed to continue, what is to stop these group from showing up in predominately GOP voting precincts and preventing people from voting or intimidating voters? That is likely to suppress GOP votes and those who don't want to deal with the anarchy, will mail in their votes which we know will end up in a Biden win. So, I'm just not seeing how Trump acting to contain these groups using his full LEGAL authority is going to result in a Biden victory; I see just the opposite.
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In the same light, without Trump doing anything, the anarchy continues and we know by what has happened at his rally in OK and his speech at Rushmore that there was interference from the BLM/Antifa and other subversive groups. Since this has been allowed to continue, what is to stop these group from showing up in predominately GOP voting precincts and preventing people from voting or intimidating voters? That is likely to suppress GOP votes and those who don't want to deal with the anarchy, will mail in their votes which we know will end up in a Biden win. So, I'm just not seeing how Trump acting to contain these groups using his full LEGAL authority is going to result in a Biden victory; I see just the opposite.
Us. I have weapons, too. Want to block my polls? Might not be a good idea. The Dems will carry the blue zones anyway (where most of this is prevalent), so it's up to us to keep our polls open, if it comes to that.
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Us. I have weapons, too. Want to block my polls? Might not be a good idea. The Dems will carry the blue zones anyway (where most of this is prevalent), so it's up to us to keep our polls open, if it comes to that.
Nobody had better try to intimidate or block me from voting where I vote. They won't like the result.
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Precisely.
Had Trump stepped to the fore, while many might have praised that for leadership, it would also fall under the penumbra of abuse of power, legally. He has sidestepped that tiger pit, and the blame falls squarely on those who have not only not been doing their jobs, but who have prevented others (police) from doing theirs.
The local and State remedies must be exhausted first.
He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act. He needs no invitation from the governors. Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down) As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807)
It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:
Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act†to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.†The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.†The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition†— and such a “condition†is not defined or limited.
https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/ (https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/)
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect
https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr (https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr)
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He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act. He needs no invitation from the governors. Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down) As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807)
It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:
Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act†to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.†The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.†The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition†— and such a “condition†is not defined or limited.
https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/ (https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/)
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect
https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr (https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr)
I think this is like the third time Trump has said he would use it but he doesn't. What is going on certainly is within the scope of what the Insurrection Act is for. civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
In my entire life I have never seen protests in so many states and for such a period of time. Never seen autonomous zones. Never would have thought that Sharia Law would have a road in to force Americans to abide by their religious laws. If the president doesn't do something soon to assure that this country is still led by its Founding Documents it surely will become a crap hole country controlled by whoever can takeover while law is absent.
Its unbelievable that people can defend Trump for saying over and over he is going to stop it. Babies are being gunned down in the streets. Racism is on the rise, not falling. Homeowners are having to defend their property with guns. This isn't the wild west. This is chaos and a president that is more interested in talking than doing.
And for the people who suggest Trump will be seen as a fascist. I imagine that they would only think that way because they swing to the left. They are worried about what the commies will think. Oh, maybe some of those liberals won't vote for Trump. And who cares about Conservatives and people who have been Republican all their lives voting for law and order.
Esper should be out. He is standing in the way of restoring order. All he can think about is not placing pictures of people for promotion. Maybe making sure there isn't a Confederate flag or a based named after a Confederate.
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PeteS wrote:
"Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution."
Your point is well taken, Pete.
But let's consider the problems in Portland right now...
- The mayor won't do anything
- The county (if there is authority there) has done nothing
- The state (governor) has done nothing.
Who does that leave left to "do something" ????
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I think this is like the third time Trump has said he would use it but he doesn't. What is going on certainly is within the scope of what the Insurrection Act is for. civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
In my entire life I have never seen protests in so many states and for such a period of time. Never seen autonomous zones. Never would have thought that Sharia Law would have a road in to force Americans to abide by their religious laws. If the president doesn't do something soon to assure that this country is still led by its Founding Documents it surely will become a crap hole country controlled by whoever can takeover while law is absent.
Its unbelievable that people can defend Trump for saying over and over he is going to stop it. Babies are being gunned down in the streets. Racism is on the rise, not falling. Homeowners are having to defend their property with guns. This isn't the wild west. This is chaos and a president that is more interested in talking than doing.
And for the people who suggest Trump will be seen as a fascist. I imagine that they would only think that way because they swing to the left. They are worried about what the commies will think. Oh, maybe some of those liberals won't vote for Trump. And who cares about Conservatives and people who have been Republican all their lives voting for law and order.
@Chosen Daughter, no worries ( *****rollingeyes*****) he has yet made another promise .... (I believe this to be his 4th time)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408466.msg2250459/topicseen.html#msg2250459 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408466.msg2250459/topicseen.html#msg2250459)
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He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act. He needs no invitation from the governors. Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down) As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807)
It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:
Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act†to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.†The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.†The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition†— and such a “condition†is not defined or limited.
https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/ (https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/)
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect
https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr (https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr)
Yep, all that is true. Legally, he can do what the law says.
Note I said "Penumbra": that shadow cast wide in the minds of those who will likely never hear of the law in the course of any media discussion of the legal limits of power, only the howling butthurt of those it is used against.
The problem here is that in order to do so, he would also have to round up the trolls in the media who have captivated idiot audiences for years now spewing Marxism and Trump hate, and if he missed even one, they'd be screaming to their global Marxist brothers for the UN to come in here in all its Communist glory and subdue the rogue POTUS. The gambit here is to force him to react in such a way that the force used can be used against him. These are people who are recalling one of their own because tear gas (chemical weapon) was used against them. What would they do in the media and courts if they were marched at bayonet point into detention or subjected to live fire, and how would that be spun in the global media?
Law doesn't matter.
Facts don't matter (they make up their own).
All that matters is the way the media spin sh*t, and they are, quite frankly, out of control.
However, there is hope. The media are imbalanced, and the faster you spin something with an imbalance, the sooner it disintegrates.
By forcing the Marxists, fellow travelers, and useful idiots to put the brakes on themselves before they command nothing but ash heaps, he exposes not only the true outcome of this alleged "utopia" the Marxists are pushing for, but forces their own to slow them when they don't want to stop. By forcing them to work against their own, cracks form in their structure, and those fractures in their structure, unity, and rhetoric, weaken their cohesiveness, despite their mutual dedication to "The Revolution".
In due course, the American people are wearying of these idiots and their tantrum, and if and when that patience wears through, the counter tantrum will be brutal. In the course of this, those whose stock in trade is the effluent of incontinent prevarication take on the smell they deserve. The trick is to prevent transference. If the Mayors, City Councils, Governors, and the like have permitted this, to act Federally at this point is to accept Federal responsibility for the outcome, which ultimately would become a blame fest aimed at POTUS.
Nope. Let the onus lay on the steps of those who have enabled and even perpetrated this folly, and let the people see who crafted this destruction.
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You jest... but the leftist officials are still holding out hope that Trump will act like the dictator they've been accusing him of, and do just that. It would make for a fine Biden campaign slogan in October.
Oh, so worried about what the commies will think. Maybe they won't vote for him if he restores order.
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PeteS wrote:
"Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution."
Your point is well taken, Pete.
But let's consider the problems in Portland right now...
- The mayor won't do anything
- The county (if there is authority there) has done nothing
- The state (governor) has done nothing.
Who does that leave left to "do something" ????
That's just it -- when the mayor of the city and the governor of the State fail to respond or cannot control the "insurrection" then the President has the full authority to act. Trump however is not bound by the Constitution, but you are correct, who does that leave but him if those in authority in the states don't act? Sure he can continue to do nothing but all that is doing is allowing the chaos to spread. Not a good thing to allow to happen unless you want eventual anarchy in every state and at that point the U.S. is prime target for a take over; either Sharia law or U.N. occupation. Just my opinion here.
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Oh, so worried about what the commies will think. Maybe they won't vote for him if he restores order.
It isn't what the commies will think that concerns me, but how they can spin reality in the minds of those who haven't and rarely do think.
We have a couple of generations out there who can vote but couldn't swing the logic to exit a (non-environmentally friendly--save a tree!) paper bag if you cut the bottom out. FWIW, they can vote, and be readily swayed by illogical feelings based commentary masquerading as purveyed fact in social media herds, marching like lemmings to their destruction.
Unfortunately, they can take the rest of us with them.
Let the media spin Trump as a neo-Pinochet, and they just might.
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So far Trump's response is not to respond other than make idle threats for the podium.
Ona dese days Alice, ona dese days... POW! right in the kisser! *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
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Ona dese days Alice, ona dese days... POW! right in the kisser! *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
To da MOON Alice!
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@Chosen Daughter, no worries ( *****rollingeyes*****) he has yet made another promise .... (I believe this to be his 4th time)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408466.msg2250459/topicseen.html#msg2250459 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408466.msg2250459/topicseen.html#msg2250459)
Yeah *****rollingeyes*****
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To da MOON Alice!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/01/ac/5a01ac8abcd15178f8a57ac8356a6a2e.jpg)
Funny, but she don't look scared. :whistle:
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/01/ac/5a01ac8abcd15178f8a57ac8356a6a2e.jpg)
Funny, but she don't look scared. :whistle:
Yabbut! that was before Neil Armstrong showed it could happen!
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'They're like war zones': Trump criticizes mayors —Democratic ones — over crime surges
Crystal Hill
Crystal HillReporter
Yahoo NewsJuly 15, 2020, 1:40 PM
President Trump on Wednesday criticized the leadership of cities he likened to “war zones,†hinting that he may seek to have the federal government intervene to bring down crime rates.
Trump spoke from the Oval Office at an event called to discuss the Justice Department’s efforts to take down the international crime gang MS-13. But he went on to criticize local officials in cities such as Minneapolis and Chicago who, he said, have done a poor job at containing violence in their communities.
“They’re like war zones,†he told reporters. “And if the city isn’t going to straighten it out, if local politicians, all in this case, I don’t say this for political reasons, they’re all Democrats. They’re liberal, left-wing Democrats. And it’s almost like they think this is going to be this way forever, where in Chicago, 68 people were shot and 18 died last week. We’re not gonna put up with that.â€
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/
Blame the stupid residents of shitwholes like Minneapolis and Seattle, for electing socialists.
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Yabbut! that was before Neil Armstrong showed it could happen!
But, did he REALLY? :whistle: :cool:
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But, did he REALLY? :whistle: :cool:
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Sure he did. I saw it on TV! :pondering:
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Ona dese days Alice, ona dese days... POW! right in the kisser! *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
Oh my gosh, Jackie Gleason -- one of my Dad's favorites. I had forgotten about him.
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Blame the stupid residents of shitwholes like Minneapolis and Seattle, for electing socialists.
Exactly. How in the heck does any person thinking with a semi-clear head and with even half a brain, elect someone like Ilhan Omar?
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Exactly. How in the heck does any person thinking with a semi-clear head and with even half a brain, elect someone like Ilhan Omar?
Racism, islamism, and Democrats doing their "diversity" thing.
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Oh my gosh, Jackie Gleason -- one of my Dad's favorites. I had forgotten about him.
The quintessential blowhard. I don't know why he came to mind... :shrug: :whistle: :laugh:
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Yabbut! that was before Neil Armstrong showed it could happen!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/7a/a3/c87aa3f7ae08327e519fa38df86ebca4.jpg)
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PeteS wrote:
"Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution."
Your point is well taken, Pete.
But let's consider the problems in Portland right now...
- The mayor won't do anything
- The county (if there is authority there) has done nothing
- The state (governor) has done nothing.
Who does that leave left to "do something" ????
Serious question @Fishrrman --- are the people demanding more than their local/state governments are doing?
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Exactly. How in the heck does any person thinking with a semi-clear head and with even half a brain, elect someone like Ilhan Omar?
The same way the country elected Barack Obama and Donald Trump
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Serious question @Fishrrman --- are the people demanding more than their local/state governments are doing?
Another serious question, for those who remained in those Liberal enclaves: Do they dare?
To do so puts them on multiple target lists from street thugs to Code Enforcement and the Health Department...
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Another serious question, for those who remained in those Liberal enclaves: Do they dare?
Sorry, but I've no interest in scratching that zit. If the locals governments won't stand and demand help then (at least some of) the people must.
Without either of these options, I don't see how the President marches the military into Chicago or Minneapolis, or New York City.
We may need to fight this battle the old fashioned way ... at the ballot box. In which case it's up to the President to make a strong case for throwing out the old political machine.
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It isn't what the commies will think that concerns me, but how they can spin reality in the minds of those who haven't and rarely do think.
We have a couple of generations out there who can vote but couldn't swing the logic to exit a (non-environmentally friendly--save a tree!) paper bag if you cut the bottom out. FWIW, they can vote, and be readily swayed by illogical feelings based commentary masquerading as purveyed fact in social media herds, marching like lemmings to their destruction.
Unfortunately, they can take the rest of us with them.
Let the media spin Trump as a neo-Pinochet, and they just might.
Are you talking about those liberals and people who never have voted that attend Trump rallies for the comedy?
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Sorry, but I've no interest in scratching that zit. If the locals governments won't stand and demand help then (at least some of) the people must.
Without either of these options, I don't see how the President marches the military into Chicago or Minneapolis, or New York City.
We may need to fight this battle the old fashioned way ... at the ballot box. In which case it's up to the President to make a strong case for throwing out the old political machine.
My point is that until the election, the locals may not dare demand help from the local governments which have routinely failed to do anything or get help, for fear of being exposed and becoming the next chosen target of the looters and rioters.
Come the election, they can vote the rat b@st@rds out.
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Are you talking about those liberals and people who never have voted that attend Trump rallies for the comedy?
Do those exist? I thought they just got tickets to be dogs in the manger.
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Do those exist? I thought they just got tickets to be dogs in the manger.
At TBR, the tickets are free. We have mangers lined up.....
It's the popcorn that costs. :2popcorn:
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My point is that until the election, the locals may not dare demand help from the local governments which have routinely failed to do anything or get help, for fear of being exposed and becoming the next chosen target of the looters and rioters.
I got that. My point is unless there's a call for help from the local/state governments or a clarion call from a state's citizens I just don't see the President garnishing the support to march the US military into Chicago, Minneapolis or New York City.
I just don't -- and I firmly believe he wants to.
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I got that. My point is unless there's a call for help from the local/state governments or a clarion call from a state's citizens I just don't see the President garnishing the support to march the US military into Chicago, Minneapolis or New York City.
I just don't -- and I firmly believe he wants to.
Oh, just stop it! If Trump has no right to do anything tell him to shut up. I bet I am not the only Conservative that isn't explaining away why Trump doesn't make sense. If he is just going to continue to wait on liberal government he should say so. Why the heck is he saying he is going to do something 4 times?
I get it. People like you just can't control what comes out of the presidents mouth. You got the plan to let the country go to hell and Trump isn't getting it.
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Right in Va comments:
"We may need to fight this battle the old fashioned way ... at the ballot box."
We're approaching that point where the ballot box isn't going "to work" any longer.
That point has already arrived in some parts of the country (Portland, Seattle, New York, Chicago, San Fran, perhaps even in DC).
You aren't going to "bring these populations back" via ballots.
Or by reason or logic.
Something else is going to be required.
Short of that, they ain't coming back.
And they're going to take out MORE parts of the country through the spread of their poison.
What will stop them?
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Oh, just stop it! If Trump has no right to do anything tell him to shut up. I bet I am not the only Conservative that isn't explaining away why Trump doesn't make sense. If he is just going to continue to wait on liberal government he should say so. Why the heck is he saying he is going to do something 4 times?
I get it. People like you just can't control what comes out of the presidents mouth. You got the plan to let the country go to hell and Trump isn't getting it.
You rant well, but what do YOU propose be done?
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I got that. My point is unless there's a call for help from the local/state governments or a clarion call from a state's citizens I just don't see the President garnishing the support to march the US military into Chicago, Minneapolis or New York City.
I just don't -- and I firmly believe he wants to.
That sort of thing has happened in more sane parts of America, where groups of locals got together with local LEOs and moved to nip this anarchy in the bud. Not once, but twice in the nearest town, the BLM protest was met with a significant group of folks on motorcycles having a nearby gathering of their own, and while exercising their Second Amendment rights, too.
But that was in areas where the local government had the good sense to just STFU and let the matter be handled, unofficially. While the protest proceeded (twice), there was no rioting, no looting, and those who showed were only the tip of the local iceberg that gave a chilly reception.
There is, however an additional risk in most of those jurisdictions, in that the handwringers and Karens and pantywaists would have a cartwheeling fit over armed conservatives in large numbers, and would then call in the National assets, not on their fellow Marxists, but the property and business owners who showed up to defend their homes, persons, families, and cities. There can be no illusion that if that remedy is sought in those urban, Marxist, Democrat-run environs, it will have to be pursued to completion, not mere capitulation, and that such acts will quickly become in the media a casus belli to take up arms against the very patriots who quelled the insurrection.
That national attempts to infringe the Civil Rights of those who even might stand for law and order would suddenly be promoted in the Media, replete with gruesome images and best glamour shots of any wounded or killed in that endeavour (all sweet innocents from One of the Big Towns, or Peoria, or Bumsquat, or some sweet liberal suburb who had never hurt a fly--although they'd Molotov ranks of police and buildings galore) would pop up with a vigor not even seen in the instance of any school shooting, is a given.
Who wants their town to be Lexington, or Concord? Or Pratt Street? Because, of necessity, a war only bandied about and rarely seriously considered with all the potential for evil and fundamental change such conflicts bear, would have started, and would have to be pursued to its conclusion, for good or ill.
To fail in that pursuit would mean that every weapon of the courts and the Legislature (and the Media) would be brought to bear against any recurrence, even on a small scale, and that the requisite tools of any future conflict be made anathema in the eyes of the silly sheep who believe themselves wise, despite having just been relieved of Communist aggression by the very people they would attack.
That commitment, that desperation of relief, has not yet reached the level where enough are willing, where enough feel justified to risk everything (Lives, fortunes, sacred Honor, 401K) to quell local matters, no matter how large the city under siege. Perhaps that ensues from the populations of such enclaves being the ones who voted for the leadership in those instances which enabled or fostered such anarchist nonsense in the first place, and it's a hard sell, even among those deeply principled, to get them to risk all they have to bail out those who insisted on drowning in their own sewage.
The Cities routinely vote heavily against the rest of us, and while we might miss the opera house and all those restaurants we couldn't get into without wearing a tie, we'll sit and drink coffee on the porch somewhere, or perhaps in a local cafe, and reminisce while we look askance at every vehicle from out of town and gently check that our weapons are secure in their holsters and safe from sight.
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That sort of thing has happened in more sane parts of America, where groups of locals got together with local LEOs and moved to nip this anarchy in the bud. Not once, but twice in the nearest town, the BLM protest was met with a significant group of folks on motorcycles having a nearby gathering of their own, and while exercising their Second Amendment rights, too.
But that was in areas where the local government had the good sense to just STFU and let the matter be handled, unofficially. While the protest proceeded (twice), there was no rioting, no looting, and those who showed were only the tip of the local iceberg that gave a chilly reception.
There is, however an additional risk in most of those jurisdictions, in that the handwringers and Karens and pantywaists would have a cartwheeling fit over armed conservatives in large numbers, and would then call in the National assets, not on their fellow Marxists, but the property and business owners who showed up to defend their homes, persons, families, and cities. There can be no illusion that if that remedy is sought in those urban, Marxist, Democrat-run environs, it will have to be pursued to completion, not mere capitulation, and that such acts will quickly become in the media a casus belli to take up arms against the very patriots who quelled the insurrection.
That national attempts to infringe the Civil Rights of those who even might stand for law and order would suddenly be promoted in the Media, replete with gruesome images and best glamour shots of any wounded or killed in that endeavour (all sweet innocents from One of the Big Towns, or Peoria, or Bumsquat, or some sweet liberal suburb who had never hurt a fly--although they'd Molotov ranks of police and buildings galore) would pop up with a vigor not even seen in the instance of any school shooting, is a given.
Who wants their town to be Lexington, or Concord? Or Pratt Street? Because, of necessity, a war only bandied about and rarely seriously considered with all the potential for evil and fundamental change such conflicts bear, would have started, and would have to be pursued to its conclusion, for good or ill.
To fail in that pursuit would mean that every weapon of the courts and the Legislature (and the Media) would be brought to bear against any recurrence, even on a small scale, and that the requisite tools of any future conflict be made anathema in the eyes of the silly sheep who believe themselves wise, despite having just been relieved of Communist aggression by the very people they would attack.
That commitment, that desperation of relief, has not yet reached the level where enough are willing, where enough feel justified to risk everything (Lives, fortunes, sacred Honor, 401K) to quell local matters, no matter how large the city under siege. Perhaps that ensues from the populations of such enclaves being the ones who voted for the leadership in those instances which enabled or fostered such anarchist nonsense in the first place, and it's a hard sell, even among those deeply principled, to get them to risk all they have to bail out those who insisted on drowning in their own sewage.
The Cities routinely vote heavily against the rest of us, and while we might miss the opera house and all those restaurants we couldn't get into without wearing a tie, we'll sit and drink coffee on the porch somewhere, or perhaps in a local cafe, and reminisce while we look askance at every vehicle from out of town and gently check that our weapons are secure in their holsters and safe from sight.
The message that I gleen from your comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution". And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military.
I find irony in the fact that the very same folks that accuse Trump of being too forceful or acting like a dictator.... are the ones criticizing him for not sending in the military to quell the leftist BS. It's a trap that he has, so far, refused to fall into (IMO).
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.
For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.
The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.
Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.
If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.
For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.
The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.
Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.
If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
Exactly.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
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Never-Trumpers and Dems want another Kent State. Had Trump done as local N-Ters claim he should have done they now would be condemning him for over-reacting and usurping local governments. The game is predictable.
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Hopefully Trump will hit them where it hurts the most. Their pocketbook.
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Hopefully Trump will hit them where it hurts the most. Their pocketbook.
No... where it will hurt them the most is being defeated this November when he wins another term. The RL has deep (Soros) pockets, don't forget.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.
For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.
The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.
Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.
If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.
I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.
For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.
The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.
Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.
If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
Agreed -- if we take a look at Portland neither the mayor or the governor has done anything. So, it isn't a matter of options failing it is a matter of state and city officials not doing their jobs and allowing the insurrection to continue.
However it really does no good for him to keep opening his mouth and making promises on this issues if he has no intent of doing anything. For one it only encourages the chaos because the anarchists are learning, he's not going to do anything and secondly ti shows lack of sincerity on what he says and lack of leadership:
Trump Promised an Announcement Next Week on Democrat-Run Cities: 'We're Going to Straighten Things Out'
When it comes to crime, some of America's Democrat-run cities are "out of control," and President Trump plans to do something about it, he said on Wednesday.
"We're going to straighten things out," he told a press briefing where he announced recent moves against MS-13 gang members.
"You'll be seeing next week. We'll have a conference next week, and we'll tell you in great detail. But it's something that I think at this point the American people want to see. They've been run very poorly, these cities..." The president specifically mentioned Seattle and Portland, Oregon.
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/susan-jones/trump-promises-announcement-next-week-democrat-run-cities-were-going (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/susan-jones/trump-promises-announcement-next-week-democrat-run-cities-were-going)
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there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.
I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.
@skeeter the local governments role has been on the side of Antifa. Mayor Ted Strickland has been blatantly on their side for a couple years now. Which is at odds with his role as the Police Commissioner as well as Mayor. Andy Ngo has been reporting on this. He (Strickland) flat out told the Feds "stay in your building or pack up and leave." The acting DHS chief told him that wasn't going to happen.
In fact IIRC Acting DHS Secretary Wolfe was just in Portland a few days ago telling them that the Feds were moving in.
Either way, the elected officials in Portland are complicit with what Antifa and Black Liberals Matter are doing on the city streets of the "Rose City"
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@skeeter the local governments role has been on the side of Antifa. Mayor Ted Strickland has been blatantly on their side for a couple years now. Which is at odds with his role as the Police Commissioner as well as Mayor. Andy Ngo has been reporting on this. He (Strickland) flat out told the Feds "stay in your building or pack up and leave." The acting DHS chief told him that wasn't going to happen.
In fact IIRC Acting DHS Secretary Wolfe was just in Portland a few days ago telling them that the Feds were moving in.
Either way, the elected officials in Portland are complicit with what Antifa and Black Liberals Matter are doing on the city streets of the "Rose City"
Wow. It wouldn't surprise me if the locals take the feds to court.
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Drew Hernandez
@livesmattershow
· Jul 13
HAPPENING NOW: Antifa, armed with weapons, are now attempting to bait federal agents out of the Justice Center here in Portland for a fight
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Drew Hernandez
@livesmattershow
· Jul 13
HAPPENING NOW: Antifa, armed with weapons, are now attempting to bait federal agents out of the Justice Center here in Portland for a fight
The Anarchists know the Mayor/Chief of the Police Bureau has their backs. Ultimately, Portlandia will probably require some rock-hard Federal intervention. It's still not ripe.
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The Anarchists know the Mayor/Chief of the Police Bureau has their backs. Ultimately, Portlandia will probably require some rock-hard Federal intervention. It's still not ripe.
The Antifa thugs really don't want the fight they are trying to provoke. If they think all they're up against is inside that building...they're sadly mistaken and they certainly won't like the outcome of the fight they are asking for.
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Salem [OR] officer shot; police searching for suspect (https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/salem-officer-shot-police-searching-for-suspect/283-5289c83a-f313-4f5e-becd-e7b5cd3a9d5c)
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The Antifa thugs really don't want the fight they are trying to provoke. If they think all they're up against is inside that building...they're sadly mistaken and they certainly won't like the outcome of the fight they are asking for.
Quite right. Wait'll they find out Uncle Sam developed the "Brown Note" weapon years ago. :whistle:
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Portland shootings nearly quadruple so far this month compared to last July (https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/big-july-spike-in-gun-violence-causes-fear-injury-and-death/283-9360befd-403f-48ba-800f-3709fa80f1d6)
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.
For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.
The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.
Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.
If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
:yowsa: pointing-up :patriot:
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The message that I gleen from your comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution". And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military.
I find irony in the fact that the very same folks that accuse Trump of being too forceful or acting like a dictator.... are the ones criticizing him for not sending in the military to quell the leftist BS. It's a trap that he has, so far, refused to fall into (IMO).
Exactly! They have tried to maneuver him into a 'Heads, I win. Tails, you lose.' situation and he has refused to play.
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Xena wrote:
"The message that I gleen from [Smokin' Joe's] comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution". And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military."
I'm currently reading "Mao: The Unknown Story". I'm only about a third of the way through, but thus far the book tells how in the 1930's Chiang Kai Shek, the generallissimo who led the Nationalists, had the opportunity to literally wipe out the communists (with Mao still maneuvering to become their leader) -- but he did not.
The reason was personal -- the Russians were holding Chiang's only son as hostage, and he knew he would never see the son again if he attacked and destroyed the red army.
So, Chiang "let them pass" (on the "Long March", which the book reveals to be another historical myth). In a secret deal, Chiang assented to the existence of the Chinese communists and their army (even forming an alliance with them) -- all to get his son returned.
So... Chiang also "proceeded with caution".
We see who rules China today.
I see the danger of a similar future here.
As we grow close to a pivotal moment, those of the right are "cautious" when they should be courageous, and strike while they still have a chance to destroy the enemy before us.
Of course traditional-minded Americans are going to put off any pre-emptive strike against the left (encompassing cities or entire states) as too disruptive to their own lives and to the country as well. Many are getting too old to do more but watch from the sidelines anyway. I fall into that category myself.
But make no mistake.
The storm is oncoming.
It's distant, yet.
It can be denied for a while.
Until... it cannot.
Who will stop them...?
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You rant well, but what do YOU propose be done?
I propose that Trump do what has said he would do 4 times now. If he wasn't going to do it he shouldn't say it.
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there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.
I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.
@skeeter
Mayor of Portland to Pres. Trump: Get your troops out of the city
AP via WSPA News Seven ^ | July 17, 2020 | Andrew Selsky and Gillian Flaccus
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The mayor of Portland demanded Friday that President Donald Trump remove militarized federal agents he deployed to the city after some detained people on streets far from federal property they were sent to protect.
“Keep your troops in your own buildings, or have them leave our city,†Mayor Ted Wheeler said at a news conference.
Democratic Gov. Kate Brown said Trump is looking for a confrontation in the hopes of winning political points elsewhere and to serve as a distraction from the coronavirus pandemic, which is causing spiking numbers of infections in Oregon and the nation.
More: https://www.wspa.com/news/national/mayor-of-portland-to-pres-trump-get-your-troops-out-of-the-city/ (https://www.wspa.com/news/national/mayor-of-portland-to-pres-trump-get-your-troops-out-of-the-city/)
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@skeeter
9999hair out0000 Unbelievable.
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@skeeter
What an absolute bleep. If Portland reelects this cretin I’ll eat my hat.
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What an absolute bleep. If Portland reelects this cretin I’ll eat my hat.
@skeeter Mayor Ted wants to have a cease fire with the Feds now. Which is odd.
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@skeeter Mayor Ted wants to have a cease fire with the Feds now. Which is odd.
Not really .... the riots have gotten too much airtime, the media and Twitter have not been able to adequately contain the information. So it's time for a political adjustment.
Now it's time to stop the riots (keeping the "Defund the Police" and "Whites are Privileged Racists" in the Democrat Platform) and return focus to the virus and shutting down what remains of the economy to inflict maximum pain on the middle class. --- And if possible, cancel the debates or at least move them to Zoom for health safety (and to hide Biden's teleprompter).
This fits nicely with changing the "China Virus" to the "Trump Virus", as christened by Madame Pelosi late last week.
Oh, and impeach William Barr for crimes against humanity and the US Constitution.
@txradioguy
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
STATES RGHTS.....CHAIN OF COMMAND. Right on! MAYORS, GOVERNORS....then , THEM asking FEDS FOR HELP! Following the constitution. POTUS OFFERED THEM HELP. THEY SAID..NO. Most NON-RIGHTS want him to act like a dictator. They are already calling him that, since day one! HE FOLLOWS THE LAW.
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The message that I gleen from your comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution". And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military.
I find irony in the fact that the very same folks that accuse Trump of being too forceful or acting like a dictator.... are the ones criticizing him for not sending in the military to quell the leftist BS. It's a trap that he has, so far, refused to fall into (IMO).
BINGO!
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Never-Trumpers and Dems want another Kent State. Had Trump done as local N-Ters claim he should have done they now would be condemning him for over-reacting and usurping local governments. The game is predictable.
:yowsa:
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Not really .... the riots have gotten too much airtime, the media and Twitter have not been able to adequately contain the information. So it's time for a political adjustment.
Now it's time to stop the riots (keeping the "Defund the Police" and "Whites are Privileged Racists" in the Democrat Platform) and return focus to the virus and shutting down what remains of the economy to inflict maximum pain on the middle class. --- And if possible, cancel the debates or at least move them to Zoom for health safety (and to hide Biden's teleprompter).
This fits nicely with changing the "China Virus" to the "Trump Virus", as christened by Madame Pelosi late last week.
Oh, and impeach William Barr for crimes against humanity and the US Constitution.
@txradioguy
@Right_in_Virginia
‘This fool thinks he’s in charge’: Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler demands immediate meeting with DHS officials to negotiate a ‘cease-fire’ (then it gets awkward)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/this-fool-thinks-hes-in-charge-portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-demands-immediate-meeting-with-dhs-officials-to-negotiate-a-cease-fire/
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@skeeter Mayor Ted wants to have a cease fire with the Feds now. Which is odd.
Nadler must've found out there were riots out there.
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Acting Secretary Chad Wolf
@DHS_Wolf
As I told the Governor yesterday, federal law enforcement will remain in Portland until the violent activity toward our federal facilities ends. We are not removing any law enforcement while our facilities and law enforcement remain under attack.
12:23 PM · Jul 29, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1288510427807326209
@txradioguy
@skeeter
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@txradioguy
@skeeter
Good! We are dealing with a mental disorder, with all NON-RIGHTS. Proven.
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@txradioguy
@skeeter
Was the mayor trying to buffalo the administration? Or set up an accusation of double dealing?
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Was the mayor trying to buffalo the administration? Or set up an accusation of double dealing?
I vote "buffalo." They have been accusing Republicans of "double dealing" for as long as I've been a spectator of the sport 45 years or so ago, so it's not a novel argument on their part.
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I vote "buffalo." They have been accusing Republicans of "double dealing" for as long as I've been a spectator of the sport 45 years or so ago, so it's not a novel argument on their part.
Agree. Wheeler tried to get out ahead of everyone and shape the narrative.
And stepped on his crank in the process when everyone involved cpu there’s what he said.