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General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Topic started by: mrclose on September 14, 2023, 12:14:21 am

Title: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: mrclose on September 14, 2023, 12:14:21 am
I have a Verizon fios 75/75 internet speed deal but every speed test except Verizon's shows really low times.

I can't figure out why the discrepancy between all of the search testers?
(All of them show more or less the same similar slow speeds .. except Verizon!)

Looking for ideas.
Btw: The tests are all done on my android phone.
Haven't run one on my PC yet.

See results below.

RANDOM SITE TESTER

(https://i.postimg.cc/v8ShKHBG/Random-Sites-Speed-Test.png)

VERIZON'S TESTER

(https://i.postimg.cc/3R81skmx/Verizon-Speed-Test.png)
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: DB on September 14, 2023, 12:24:01 am
It all depends on where the speed test server is. If it is part of Verizon's infrastructure prior to their Internet backend connection and near its wireless endpoints you get an artificially fast connection.

In short, the fudge it...
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: mrclose on September 14, 2023, 12:32:39 am
Maybe the tests aren't made for phones .. Only computers?
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on September 14, 2023, 12:42:19 am
Many nerdly reasons ... latency ... buffering ... congestion control protocol ... TCP window scaling ... MTU ... network card ... network card driver ... operating system ... Quality of Service setting ... yadda yadda yadda

I get wildly variable speedtest results depending on which speed test server I choose.

https://www.speedguide.net/ (https://www.speedguide.net/)



Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2023, 01:23:35 am
   I always use these people~OOKLA

https://www.speedtest.net/ (https://www.speedtest.net/)
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2023, 01:28:08 am
   I always use these people~OOKLA

https://www.speedtest.net/ (https://www.speedtest.net/)
Nice. 73 down, 72 up.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 05:15:52 am
while cellular? Of course there is a discrepancy converting to internet and back. Internal cellular will be faster.

Try it with wifi and things will predictably be more similar.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 05:29:30 am
My crappy old Droid is on straightalk, which is piggybacking Verizon, but on wifi, on my private network, it pulls 300+/15 ... about the same as any wireless device. If I am out and about, I am lucky to pull 100, cell or guest wifi in mid day traffic.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: mrclose on September 14, 2023, 10:11:35 am
Many nerdly reasons ... latency ... buffering ... congestion control protocol ... TCP window scaling ... MTU ... network card ... network card driver ... operating system ... Quality of Service setting ... yadda yadda yadda

I get wildly variable speedtest results depending on which speed test server I choose.

https://www.speedguide.net/ (https://www.speedguide.net/)

Haven’t tested on the PC yet.

Folks don’t seem to understand my question?
All these tests are run on the same phone .. on 3 or 4 different sites!

If the phone shows low numbers on all those sites, it should show the same on verizon’s too!

I have the latest 5g, 6g capable “gateway” from Verizon.
(They call them “gateways” now?)

I am hard wired to the TV’s.
(For their TV program package)

The PC is connected from the router by Ethernet.

To get internet access on the TV’s and phones, had to connect with wifi.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on September 14, 2023, 03:03:09 pm
If your service provider is Verizon ... and you run the test from a Verizon web page ... Verizon might "fast path" traffic that starts and ends on the Verizon infrastructure backbone.

The more network "hops", the more different network routers, switches, etc., your network traffic traverses.

Think of a service provider as an airline.
Think of a network as a flight.
Think of flight itinerary as a route.

Some service providers "fast path" traffic that doesn't leave their network - a direct flight, no stop-overs.

Accessing a site outside the Verizon network is like 1-stop, 2-stop, or 3-stop flight.  The layover is "latency".  The more layovers on your itinerary, the more time it takes to reach your destination.

Computer networks and airline networks are similar in design, but one uses airplanes and the other uses bits, bytes, and packets.

Where you go, how you get there, and how long it takes will vary for the same reason some flight intineraries take longer than others.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on September 14, 2023, 03:23:44 pm
https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/

I use google's.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: Fishrrman on September 14, 2023, 09:59:44 pm
Are we talking phones or computers?

I use Comcast cable with a Mac Mini.
Using the free "speedtest" app, which I just ran a few moments ago, I get:
Downstream: 929mbps
Upstream: 22mbps
(this is after turning off the VPN)

I have only a "flip" cell phone and wouldn't even know how to measure it.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 10:09:24 pm
If same for same, all wifi, through the same router, it can only be your phone throttling wifi somehow, or Verizon interfering with wifi causing the throttling.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 10:10:42 pm
fixed dns in the phone perhaps causing slow...
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 10:24:09 pm
if you can alter the network settings on your phone, set dns to 8.8.8.8 and secondary to 8.8.4.4

those are Google dns numbers. That will likely only change the dns on your own network, and will resolve to whatever is default otherwise... but that would prove the problem as dns.
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: mrclose on September 21, 2023, 12:58:43 am
Thank You to everyone for your responses.

I have a beef with Verizon because they replaced the router I have used for years, (broken) and replaced it with a new high speed "Gateway" and upped my bill $25 more dollars ... with no increase in speed or anything else.

Same service, higher price!
Title: Re: Verizon FiOS Discrepancy (?)
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 21, 2023, 09:20:42 pm
   I always use these people~OOKLA

https://www.speedtest.net/ (https://www.speedtest.net/)

I use OOKLA.