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Virginia governor encourages removal of Confederate statues
By John Bowden - 08/16/17 09:19 PM EDT
Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) on Wednesday urged local governing authorities around his state to remove Confederate statues following the violence in Charlottesville, Va.
"The recent events in Charlottesville demonstrate that monuments celebrating the leadership of the Confederacy have become flashpoints for hatred, division, and violence," McAuliffe said in a statement first reported by NBC News. "Monuments should serve as unifiers, to inspire us collectively and venerate our greatest citizens."
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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/346906-virginia-gov-encourages-removal-of-confederate-statues
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Virginia governor has already started his 2020 Presidential run.
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I gues the Virginia governor wants to disavow that the war of Northern Agression ever took place. That ought to rile Virginians everywhere who lost their ancestors fighting against federal taxation of the southern agriculture vs Northern industry.
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I gues the Virginia governor wants to disavow that the war of Northern Agression ever took place.
As a New Yorker, he would.
That ought to rile Virginians everywhere who lost their ancestors fighting against federal taxation of the southern agriculture vs Northern industry.
Unfortunately, the voting bloc that elected him are all from Maryland.
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As a New Yorker, he would.
Unfortunately, the voting bloc that elected him are all from Maryland.
@Hoodat
Right on both counts. As a born and raised Virginian, I'm not into refighting the Civil War or renaming it the war of northern aggression. We have plenty of northern aggression going on right now---liberal Yankees who are flooding down here, crowding us out, and who've turned Virginia from red to blue.
McAuliffe makes me want to throw up when he says "my" state. Virginia is nothing but a political stepping stone for him. Just like Obama with his 180 on gay marriage, McAuliffe was hiding his time to pivot when he said the monuments didn't need to come down.
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@Hoodat
Right on both counts. As a born and raised Virginian, I'm not into refighting the Civil War or renaming it the war of northern aggression. We have plenty of northern aggression going on right now---liberal Yankees who are flooding down here, crowding us out, and who've turned Virginia from red to blue.
McAuliffe makes me want to throw up when he says "my" state. Virginia is nothing but a political stepping stone for him. Just like Obama with his 180 on gay marriage, McAuliffe was hiding his time to pivot when he said the monuments didn't need to come down.
I'm in 100% agreement with you. From my maternal grandmother on back to the Jamestown settlement, my ancestors lived in Virginia and were part of the Civil War. I have ancestors on my fathers side as well as my maternal grandfathers side that fought against them in the Northern Army. Some even in the same battles, like Gettysburg and died on the same battlefield on the same day.
People that tear down memories or memorials to anything, have an axe to grind. And it usually has nothing to do with the memorials themselves. The people the express hate and discontent are no better than the far extreme they oppose. The nut jobs that tore down the memorial in Durham, NC supposedly were concerned about slavery and black oppression (according the the fake news), but how many black can anyone count in the footage?
All of this nuttiness, is political posturing and anarchy stirred up by the alt-left to claim the news headlines in an attempt to gain back the political power they think is solely theirs.
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Boo Hoo, Virginia, if they get a demographic shift, it should have happened over 100 years ago but their system like the rest of the South didn't even want to give all men voting rights. A lot of them fled and now, cities that are scowled at for being problematic, largely have those problems because of the immorality of that White Supremacist system of the South. Crocodile Tears. The same for the rest of those states and they may well shift too.
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@TomSea, honey, why don't you quit the passive-aggressive thing of responding to my posts in a general manner and just do so directly, using my name. I promise I won't bite.
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Boo Hoo, Virginia, if they get a demographic shift, it should have happened over 100 years ago but their system like the rest of the South didn't even want to give all men voting rights. A lot of them fled and now, cities that are scowled at for being problematic, largely have those problems because of the immorality of that White Supremacist system of the South. Crocodile Tears. The same for the rest of those states and they may well shift too.
The white supremacist who killed the woman with his car is from Ohio.
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I'm in 100% agreement with you. From my maternal grandmother on back to the Jamestown settlement, my ancestors lived in Virginia and were part of the Civil War. I have ancestors on my fathers side as well as my maternal grandfathers side that fought against them in the Northern Army. Some even in the same battles, like Gettysburg and died on the same battlefield on the same day.
People that tear down memories or memorials to anything, have an axe to grind. And it usually has nothing to do with the memorials themselves. The people the express hate and discontent are no better than the far extreme they oppose. The nut jobs that tore down the memorial in Durham, NC supposedly were concerned about slavery and black oppression (according the the fake news), but how many black can anyone count in the footage?
All of this nuttiness, is political posturing and anarchy stirred up by the alt-left to claim the news headlines in an attempt to gain back the political power they think is solely theirs.
@RetBobbyMI
Yes, agreed. I include the marchers for National Socialism via tiki torch in that group, as well. They just made it easier for Antifa and the rest to get what they want with virtually no resistance now.
And they won't stop with Confederate monuments.
I wonder what happened with the mob in Tennessee that was trying to dig up the body of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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New York's Governor Cuomo recently ordered a review of all "controversial" state monuments. Mayor de Blasio doing the same in NYC. This is perfect, the 'rats will surely go down to defeat next election. Happens every time they overplay the race card.
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New York's Governor Cuomo recently ordered a review of all "controversial" state monuments. Mayor de Blasio doing the same in NYC. This is perfect, the 'rats will surely go down to defeat next election. Happens every time they overplay the race card.
They "overplayed" Katrina, and it was a big factor in Obama getting elected.
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@RetBobbyMI
Yes, agreed. I include the marchers for National Socialism via tiki torch in that group, as well. They just made it easier for Antifa and the rest to get what they want with virtually no resistance now.
And they won't stop with Confederate monuments.
I wonder what happened with the mob in Tennessee that was trying to dig up the body of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
If they keep stirring the hornets' nest, they might see those who have kept their memories quiet rise up again. And it might be more than just a showing of the Confederate flag. The militias of the south might be a bit more than they really want to tangle with.
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They "overplayed" Katrina, and it was a big factor in Obama getting elected.
An exception. Obama was "historic." He could have shot someone on 5th ave...well, you know the rest.
The 'rats overplayed the race card in Reagan's '80 election. He won.
My point was the louder and crazier they get about race the more it hurts them among regular Americans at the ballot box.
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Gee ... this probably means that I should cancel my confederate flag order. :whistle:
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I gues the Virginia governor wants to disavow that the war of Northern Agression ever took place. That ought to rile Virginians everywhere who lost their ancestors fighting against federal taxation of the southern agriculture vs Northern industry.
Any Virginian with roots that go that deep should (rightly) see the man as a traitor to the Commonwealth.
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Boo Hoo, Virginia, if they get a demographic shift, it should have happened over 100 years ago but their system like the rest of the South didn't even want to give all men voting rights. A lot of them fled and now, cities that are scowled at for being problematic, largely have those problems because of the immorality of that White Supremacist system of the South. Crocodile Tears. The same for the rest of those states and they may well shift too.
Just by your view of what race relations were like in the South on an individual basis, I can tell where you did not grow up. You have swallowed the Yankee stereotype hook, line, and sinker. I'd almost bet you got that out of a book published in Boston (where white northern hypocrites were burning buses seven years after our schools had been integrated so their kids wouldn't have to go to school with 'those people').
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The white supremacist who killed the woman with his car is from Ohio.
Yes, and as has been pointed out to me recently, also the home of a Marxist prominent in the Union Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich)
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Just by your view of what race relations were like in the South on an individual basis, I can tell where you did not grow up. You have swallowed the Yankee stereotype hook, line, and sinker. I'd almost bet you got that out of a book published in Boston (where white northern hypocrites were burning buses seven years after our schools had been integrated so their kids wouldn't have to go to school with 'those people').
Now your northern bleep's a Negro
You see he's got his dignity
Down here we're too ignorant to realize
That the North has set the bleep free
Yes he's free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he's free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They're gatherin' 'em up from miles around
Keepin' the bleep down
-Randy Newman "Rednecks"
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They "overplayed" Katrina, and it was a big factor in Obama getting elected.
I doubt Katrina had a thing to do with Obama's victory. White guilt was the big factor in Obama getting elected.
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New York's Governor Cuomo recently ordered a review of all "controversial" state monuments. Mayor de Blasio doing the same in NYC. This is perfect, the 'rats will surely go down to defeat next election. Happens every time they overplay the race card.
Is there a comment period, where I can express my dissatisfaction with some of these "monuments" out there?
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Story in the news this morning reporting that a man in Manhattan was throwing rocks at someone's apartment window that had a confederate, Israeli and American flag displayed. Those flags have been displayed there for over a year at least. Police set up barricades below the window to discourage further hateful behaviors.
So, I wonder which side is really the one responsible for ginning up hate?
I know the correct answer.
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Any Virginian with roots that go that deep should (rightly) see the man as a traitor to the Commonwealth.
The current Governor IS a traitor to the Commonwealth.
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Any Virginian with roots that go that deep should (rightly) see the man as a traitor to the Commonwealth.
@Smokin Joe
He was never a part of my state to begin with. I can't see him as a traitor because I know he never had any loyalty to it.
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Yes, and as has been pointed out to me recently, also the home of a Marxist prominent in the Union Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich)
Wiki says that Willich wanted to kill Marx for being too conservative.
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The Virginia governor is a Yankee
The man driving the car that ran into the crowd is a Yankee
Coincidence?
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@Smokin Joe
He was never a part of my state to begin with. I can't see him as a traitor because I know he never had any loyalty to it.
Who elects these Carpetbaggers, anyway?
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Wiki says that Willich wanted to kill Marx for being too conservative.
Well, he found his niche, didn't he?
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Who elects these Carpetbaggers, anyway?
@Smokin Joe
In this state...northern Virginia; the city of Richmond; and the Hampton Roads (east coastal) area. Those of us stuck in the middle do the right thing.
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County by county New York State is largely conservative republicans, but NYC wipes all of that out and so we get stuck with people like Cuomo.
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Just by your view of what race relations were like in the South on an individual basis, I can tell where you did not grow up. You have swallowed the Yankee stereotype hook, line, and sinker. I'd almost bet you got that out of a book published in Boston (where white northern hypocrites were burning buses seven years after our schools had been integrated so their kids wouldn't have to go to school with 'those people').
@Smokin Joe
Self-righteous, preachy hypocrites who like to try and tell Southerners the way it is in the South are a dime a dozen. They don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about.
Down here where I live in rural Virginia, we don't look at the people in our community and think black or white. We're just Virginians. And I'll guarantee you we get along a hell of a lot better with each other than whites and blacks in large urban areas farther north. If you want to see a race riot, those are the places you have to go to. We don't have them here.
I'm reminded of an incident that took place a couple of years ago, in a doctor's office. I was in the waiting room; it was a large practice and the place was pretty big. All of a sudden there was a commotion, and I looked up and saw a white man getting in a black woman's face. I don't know what they were arguing about, but he yelled out, "Why don't you go back to Africa where you came from?"
The room went dead silent. Some nurses came running out and defused the situation. The black lady came over and took a seat across from me. I looked up, our eyes met, and we both burst out laughing. The white man? He had a New York or New Jersey accent.
@TomSea
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Boo-Hoo Virginny,
Demographic changes are to come to at least 3 more states in the next 20 years, you had your immoral white supremacist society all throughout the South.
Real big, down speak parts of the country that didn't lynch hundreds of persons they made slaves. That didn't take away voting rights.
And I have ancestry that fought in the Confederacy but some of the hate and lack of logic that people speak is what has led to the present problems.
James Alex Fields anyone?
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@Smokin Joe
Self-righteous, preachy hypocrites who like to try and tell Southerners the way it is in the South are a dime a dozen. They don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about.
Down here where I live in rural Virginia, we don't look at the people in our community and think black or white. We're just Virginians. And I'll guarantee you we get along a hell of a lot better with each other than whites and blacks in large urban areas farther north. If you want to see a race riot, those are the places you have to go to. We don't have them here.
I'm reminded of an incident that took place a couple of years ago, in a doctor's office. I was in the waiting room; it was a large practice and the place was pretty big. All of a sudden there was a commotion, and I looked up and saw a white man getting in a black woman's face. I don't know what they were arguing about, but he yelled out, "Why don't you go back to Africa where you came from?"
The room went dead silent. Some nurses came running out and defused the situation. The black lady came over and took a seat across from me. I looked up, our eyes met, and we both burst out laughing. The white man? He had a New York or New Jersey accent.
@TomSea
Preach it! I won't even tell my pedigree here, I have nothing to prove sweetheart.
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The Virginia governor is a Yankee
The man driving the car that ran into the crowd is a Yankee
Coincidence?
No, James Alex Fields is a Kentuckian. They only moved to near Toledo Ohio in the past year or so.
Do you just try to come up with the wrong answers?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html
The lines are real blurred in Indiana and especially Ohio with Cincinnati.
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Preach it! I won't even tell my pedigree here, I have nothing to prove sweetheart.
@TomSea
LOL
I'm afraid to think of what your "Jews run the media" pedigree might be.
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Woah, @Smokin Joe , I'm sorry I offended you. Those defenses of slavery show such a moral standing. And some of these folks are against Trump? **nononono*
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County by county New York State is largely conservative republicans, but NYC wipes all of that out and so we get stuck with people like Cuomo.
This is exactly the reason those libtard leftist want to abolish the Electoral College, so they can count on their liberalist population centers can wipe out the vote of the rest of the countryside.
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President Trump should use the Antiquities Act and make all Monuments over 50 years old a National Treasure and federalize them for protection from the extremist of today.
Then in 2018 we can pass the Restore Act. Using monies otherwise legislated for any other purpose to a city/state to restore any Monuments to original condition that have been destroyed by today's anti-American Taliban...democrats.
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President Trump should use the Antiquities Act and make all Monuments over 50 years old a National Treasure and federalize them for protection from the extremist of today.
Then in 2018 we can pass the Restore Act. Using monies otherwise legislated for any other purpose to a city/state to restore any Monuments to original condition that have been destroyed by today's anti-American Taliban...democrats.
Neat idea. (And, yes, Taliban is the nearest equivalency.)
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Boo-Hoo Virginny,
Demographic changes are to come to at least 3 more states in the next 20 years, you had your immoral white supremacist society all throughout the South.
Real big, down speak parts of the country that didn't lynch hundreds of persons they made slaves. That didn't take away voting rights.
And I have ancestry that fought in the Confederacy but some of the hate and lack of logic that people speak is what has led to the present problems.
James Alex Fields anyone?
Actually, when I think of neoNazis, I think of Skokie Illinois. When I think of White Supremacists and Separatists, it is a state west of here that comes to mind, not in the South, but well North of the Mason/Dixon Line.
While I have met people from all over who are jerks, I must admit I have met far fewer in southern states--at least who were originally from southern states. When you live just down the holler, up the creek, or a couple miles at most away from people in a more rural setting, you interact with them--and have all your life. You see individuals as assh*les, but recognize that not all people are assh*les, in fact, most people aren't assh*les, even if they have troubles from time to time. You learn that real assh*les come in all sizes, shapes, and colors, with the single unifying characteristic being an internal one, not necessarily obvious from casual appearance, namely, that they are full of sh*t.
With that in mind, I have lived among blacks and whites and American Indians, In my family, there are numbered among us those who are characterized as Asian and American Indian and white in just my generation. We'd make lousy supremacists, as we'd have to decide who would kick who out, and I fear that would lead to one of those in family arguments we'd just never settle.
But there are folks who live in the urban cloisters of racially distinct neighborhoods, who relocate when the neighborhood starts 'going', who don't take the time to get to know people as people. They provide fertile ground for people hating on each other over superficial characteristics, and often end up reinforcing the very stereotypes they impose on others they really know nothing about. They respect no one, including themselves, yet demand others respect them.
For every person who participated in a lynching, thousands did not, and lynchings were by no means limited to the South or one racial background, and haven't been, anywhere, unless there simply weren't any of 'them' available to focus the anger of the mob on. Then some poor half-wit was more likely to get strung up because they were not capable of providing an articulate defense, made an easy scapegoat, and were the most different person the mob could find in the heat of the moment.
So the bottom line is simply a question you have to ask yourself.
Are you one of the people who weren't there, who did not/would not participate, or are you the type who would, out of anger or the desire to be important, one of those with the rope and the loud voice calling for the demise of people who you know nothing about? Are you one of those braying the stereotype du jour, calling for heads on pikes of people who have done no wrong, but through accident of geography or genetics fit the stereotype you would impose on them, and thus must be thrown to the wolves as a blood sacrifice for your personal guilt, angst, fear, or desire for vengeance for yourself or some third party, without any of the protections of due process or the verification of evidence or fact?
If you want to end hatred, start here and now by not hating on people, by not assuming they hate anyone, by not proclaiming they are heinous criminals when you can't say what color their eyes are and you don't even know their name. Do not let the actions of a loud and twisted few color your image of the whole, even among those you decry. You have nothing but the hyperbolic propaganda of agitators past and present sprinkled with the grains of truth of some unfortunate incidents, yet you would indict half of the nation east of the Mississippi, along with even more west of it, and everyone who ever lived or grew up there.
Had you grown up with the people you would so indict, you would know the good from the minority of bad, and not be so hasty to call for stringing them all up.