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Worst-case scenario for House GOP is 70-seat wipeout
By Reid Wilson - 08/17/18 11:40 AM EDT
Democratic enthusiasm and a GOP malaise surrounding President Trump have set the stage for a potentially devastating midterm election for the House Republican majority.
In a series of special elections mostly in reliably GOP districts, Democratic candidates have routinely outperformed Hillary Clinton’s share of the vote from 2016.
At the same time, Republican candidates have underperformed President Trump's vote share in all but two special elections.
If that pattern holds in November, the worst-case scenario for the GOP is a truly historic wipeout of as many as 72 House seats, according to The Hill’s analysis of special election results and congressional and presidential returns from 2016.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/402329-worst-case-scenario-for-house-gop-is-70-seat-wipeout (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/402329-worst-case-scenario-for-house-gop-is-70-seat-wipeout)
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Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
The unifying theme is the need to keep the Congress in GOP hands to keep the current prosperity and low unemployment going. Hammer home that message to moderates and independents, and keep pointing out that the new face of the Democrat party is radicalism and socialism.
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The Republican Party has earned it's ignominious defeat should it occur.
And no - Trump will not be the primary reason for it.
The Republican party just decided that 2006 was not so bad.
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Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
The unifying theme is the need to keep the Congress in GOP hands to keep the current prosperity and low unemployment going. Hammer home that message to moderates and independents, and keep pointing out that the new face of the Democrat party is radicalism and socialism.
I know local races have their own mentality but I can't figure out why anyone, anywhere would want to send a democrat to congress.
A good 'democrat' would advance the power of that party to force socialism and odd sexual laws on us.
A good Republican might do nothing that particularly elates us but if he/she keeps that seat out of democrat butts, it is worth voting for.
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The author then goes on to write:
In a multi-candidate Texas special election earlier this summer, Republicans barely underperformed Trump, while Democrats ran close to Clinton’s totals.
If enough races in the fall stick to those patterns, the GOP is likely to retain its majority and lose only 10 seats or so.
In other words, this guy has no idea what he's talking about and is challenging the lunacy of the predictions for 2016. And there's no mention in his "analysis" that the Democrats are bleeding their most taken for granted, base voters.
But even if these prognostications of doom persist, remember --- it seems to motivate our side in ways no poll can measure. :laugh:
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Reid Wilson is a national correspondent for The Hill. Previously he was chief political correspondent and Congress editor for Morning Consult. Wilson was the editor and lead author of the Washington Post’s morning political tip sheet Read In before Morning Consult. He is also the former editor and head of the Washington Post’s GovBeat and the former editor-in-chief of National Journal’s The Hotline.
His work has appeared in outlets like the New York Times, the Hill, RealClearPolitics, the Atlantic Monthly, the New Republic, and other major news networks. In 2012 Comedy Central named him "The Greatest Political Mind of Our Time" for his skills at cutting through the spin and telling the truth about the state of politics and Washington.
https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/profile/reid-wilson (https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/profile/reid-wilson)
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@mystery-ak
"Democratic enthusiasm and a GOP malaise surrounding President Trump have set the stage for a potentially devastating midterm election for the House Republican majority. In a series of special elections mostly in reliably GOP districts, Democratic candidates have routinely outperformed Hillary Clinton’s share of the vote from 2016. At the same time, Republican candidates have under-performed President Trump's vote share in all but two special elections.
If that pattern holds in November, the worst-case scenario for the GOP is a truly historic wipeout of as many as 72 House seats, according to The Hill’s analysis of special election results and congressional and presidential returns from 2016."
This is what I have written several times as these special elections were held. It didn't matter if the Dems didn't "win" a special election - It was the number of each party showing up that is different from other special elections in the recent past. The Democrats showing up at the special elections, is more than showed up when Hillary was the candidate (they are now energized), and the number of Republicans showing up, is less (not energized) than the recent past. In the upcoming election, if the Republicans show up less and the Dems show up more, Republican seats are in danger.
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This is what I have written several times as these special elections were held. It didn't matter if the Dems didn't "win" a special election -
Of course it damn well matters if the democrats win special elections. Lose the stupid quote. Not "winning" is losing.
888mouth @Victoria33
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The Republican Party has earned it's ignominious defeat should it occur.
And no - Trump will not be the primary reason for it.
The Republican party just decided that 2006 was not so bad.
Maybe not the primary reason, but Trump will be one of the reasons. His unwillingness to work with his own party in getting his supposed agenda done will be a factor.
Of course, Trump's fans will exonerate him because he has told them to. Nothing that goes wrong or anything that doesn't get done is never his fault. From the beginning of his presidency, Trump has blamed "the swamp" or whatever term he likes to use at any given moment, for any campaign promise that wasn't fulfilled. And his fans will continue the blame game because he said so.
A Democrat majority in either or both houses of congress will be great for Trump. In that event, Trump won't have to keep any of his promises. He will have a good excuse for doing nothing. Heck, he might even go back to being a Democrat again.
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Democratic enthusiasm and a GOP malaise surrounding President Trump have set the stage for a potentially devastating midterm election for the House Republican majority.
I haven't seen or heard any "malaise" concerning Pres. Trump. What I've heard and seen is a lack of enthusiasm for the Pubs in the House and Senate. Everyone I've talked with that backed Trump love the policies he's pursued and people like myself who were on the fence have come over to embrace Trump.
The bad thing about losing the House is it will end any legislative achievements, but other than tax cuts and tax reform the House hasn't done much of anything.
However, that being said I have a hard time believing the country would embrace the lunatic left. But who knows, everything seems upside down these days.
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I know local races have their own mentality but I can't figure out why anyone, anywhere would want to send a democrat to congress.
A good 'democrat' would advance the power of that party to force socialism and odd sexual laws on us.
A good Republican might do nothing that particularly elates us but if he/she keeps that seat out of democrat butts, it is worth voting for.
I'm with you. I can't figure out why people would want to embrace the Godless socialist left.
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Maybe not the primary reason, but Trump will be one of the reasons. His unwillingness to work with his own party in getting his supposed agenda done will be a factor.
Of course, Trump's fans will exonerate him because he has told them to. Nothing that goes wrong or anything that doesn't get done is never his fault. From the beginning of his presidency, Trump has blamed "the swamp" or whatever term he likes to use at any given moment, for any campaign promise that wasn't fulfilled. And his fans will continue the blame game because he said so.
A Democrat majority in either or both houses of congress will be great for Trump. In that event, Trump won't have to keep any of his promises. He will have a good excuse for doing nothing. Heck, he might even go back to being a Democrat again.
I couldn't disagree more. He was willing to sign just about any obamacare repeal and the Pubs couldn't get it done. He offered a great DACA compromise and coiuldn't get the Rats to support it, and some were non-committal. It's the Pub party that has failed.
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Just another propaganda piece. YAWN!!!
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I couldn't disagree more. He was willing to sign just about any obamacare repeal and the Pubs couldn't get it done. He offered a great DACA compromise and coiuldn't get the Rats to support it, and some were non-committal. It's the Pub party that has failed.
So much for Trump's godlike ability to negotiate and make the 'best deals' for the people then.
That is how he was being sold.
Just proof that you bought into a bullshit false claim by a master PT Barnum ringmaster.
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I couldn't disagree more. He was willing to sign just about any obamacare repeal and the Pubs couldn't get it done. He offered a great DACA compromise and coiuldn't get the Rats to support it, and some were non-committal. It's the Pub party that has failed.
But what did Trump actually do to get the lazy lumps moving on repeal? How many times did he meet with the Republican party hierarchy in both houses? I recall seeing some photos or maybe a video or two of one or two such meetings, but it all looked like PR to me. No, Trump delegated or abdicated his responsibilities and when the Republicans didn't get the job done, he took to Twitter to blame them.
As a Republican president with Republican majorities in both houses, he should have been able to move them forward. Yes, they have to do the work, but he could have been the great leader, the successful mogul he claimed to be and motivated them to get going. He didn't.
So yes, he failed as much as the Republican in both houses did. Not that his faithful followers will ever blame him.
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So much for Trump's godlike ability to negotiate and make the 'best deals' for the people then.
That is how he was being sold.
Just proof that you bought into a bullshit false claim by a master PT Barnum ringmaster.
:thumbsup:
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Just another propaganda piece. YAWN!!!
"Midterm elections are sometimes regarded as a referendum on the sitting president's and/or incumbent party's performance... The party of the incumbent president tends to lose ground during midterm elections: over the past 21 midterm elections, the President's party has lost an average 30 seats in the House, and an average 4 seats in the Senate; moreover, in only two of those has the President's party gained seats in both houses."
See table (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election#Historical_record_of_midterm_elections)
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But what did Trump actually do to get the lazy lumps moving on repeal? How many times did he meet with the Republican party hierarchy in both houses? I recall seeing some photos or maybe a video or two of one or two such meetings, but it all looked like PR to me. No, Trump delegated or abdicated his responsibilities and when the Republicans didn't get the job done, he took to Twitter to blame them.
As a Republican president with Republican majorities in both houses, he should have been able to move them forward. Yes, they have to do the work, but he could have been the great leader, the successful mogul he claimed to be and motivated them to get going. He didn't.
So yes, he failed as much as the Republican in both houses did. Not that his faithful followers will ever blame him.
You're wrong about this. The Pubs ran on repealing obamacare for 7 years. They pleaded with us to give them the House, Senate and Presidency. We did it and they couldn't. Pres. Trump made it more than clear he would sign just about anything. They couldn't even pass the most watered down version of repeal.
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"Midterm elections are sometimes regarded as a referendum on the sitting president's and/or incumbent party's performance... The party of the incumbent president tends to lose ground during midterm elections: over the past 21 midterm elections, the President's party has lost an average 30 seats in the House, and an average 4 seats in the Senate; moreover, in only two of those has the President's party gained seats in both houses."
See table (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election#Historical_record_of_midterm_elections)
Yeah. I'm very aware of the history but that doesn't change the fact that this is a pure propaganda piece.
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So much for Trump's godlike ability to negotiate and make the 'best deals' for the people then.
That is how he was being sold.
Just proof that you bought into a bullshit false claim by a master PT Barnum ringmaster.
I never thought he had "magical powers" but I have been very impressed in how he has used tariffs to change trade deals and when China said they would cut back soybean purchases (they've quietly started buying again) he got a deal with Europe.
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You're wrong about this. The Pubs ran on repealing obamacare for 7 years. They pleaded with us to give them the House, Senate and Presidency. We did it and they couldn't. Pres. Trump made it more than clear he would sign just about anything. They couldn't even pass the most watered down version of repeal.
And Trump also ran on appealing Obamacare, among other things. My point is that he did little or nothing to bring that repeal or most of his other promises about. The "art of the deal" guy could not or would not do his part to negotiate a deal. So yeah, he's just as guilty of failing to deliver as the Republicans in congress.
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You're wrong about this. The Pubs ran on repealing obamacare for 7 years. They pleaded with us to give them the House, Senate and Presidency. We did it and they couldn't.
Applewood's not wrong.
Despite the fact the GOP had zero intention of repealing Obamacare outside of 'root and branch' lies and empty campaign promises, Trump was absent in the effort to schmooze and work out a deal to get a repeal he could sign. Of course - bashing your own party as he did - Trump did not ingratiate himself to winning any support to help push his agenda through Congress.
Which is the point.
Trump was sold as a man who could negotiate the 'best deals' better than anyone else. Apparently the 'best deal' he could negotiate was to keep ObamaCare intact and to spend 1.3 trillion in an exploding deficit budget that out-surpasses what the Democrats under Obama spent.
Pres. Trump made it more than clear he would sign just about anything. They couldn't even pass the most watered down version of repeal.
So an indictment of exactly what I am saying: Trump was not willing to fight for what he promised. To say he would sign anything they sent him meant he was not going to be 'making the best deals'. He was going to sit back and let them do all the heavy lifting. Not exactly the kind of person he was being sold to everyone as.
I never thought he had "magical powers" but I have been very impressed in how he has used tariffs to change trade deals and when China said they would cut back soybean purchases (they've quietly started buying again) he got a deal with Europe.
You're impressed that Trump would tax Americans in order to try and change policy in China, along with then requesting that the American taxpayer now bailout the farmers hurt by his stupid trade war???
Sorry, I'm not impressed at all.
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I couldn't disagree more. He was willing to sign just about any obamacare repeal and the Pubs couldn't get it done. He offered a great DACA compromise and coiuldn't get the Rats to support it, and some were non-committal. It's the Pub party that has failed.
I disagree also. Trump has never shown unwillingness to work with Congress ... they just don't want to work with him.
I would still vote for any Rebublican over any democrat. This idea of 'teaching lazy, defeatist Republicans a lesson" does not work and would backfire horribly.
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And Trump also ran on appealing Obamacare, among other things. My point is that he did little or nothing to bring that repeal or most of his other promises about. The "art of the deal" guy could not or would not do his part to negotiate a deal. So yeah, he's just as guilty of failing to deliver as the Republicans in congress.
This is why you are wrong, in order to negotiate you have to have willing partners. The liberal pubs "establishment" were never willing to back the agenda Trump ran on. They've always found a way to kill the big ticket items, except tax cuts and reform which their open border business donors wanted.
Trump has had better success negotiating with other nations because he's been able to create leverage. He should be able to create leverage with the Rats in Congress if the Pubs were united with him, but they aren't.
Blame those who deserve it. The Pubs in Congress.
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Applewood's not wrong.
You're impressed that Trump would tax Americans in order to try and change policy in China, along with then requesting that the American taxpayer now bailout the farmers hurt by his stupid trade war???
Sorry, I'm not impressed at all.
No, you're both wrong.
You're animus for Trump regardless of what he does is pretty obvious. It's been clear from the get go that the tariffs are a negotiating tool. He threatened tariffs on cars coming from Europe and all of a sudden they are open to talking and are buying our soybeans. He's raising tariffs on China and even though it is a communist dictatorship they are sending a trade delegation to try and work something out. He's threatening to end NAFTA and Mexico is trying to negotiate a new trade deal.
The people complaing about the tariffs are the same people who complain about how other countries take advantage of us. You don't get to have it both ways just because you don't like Trump. He is doing a lot of good things.
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***suicide***
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This is why you are wrong, in order to negotiate you have to have willing partners. The liberal pubs "establishment" were never willing to back the agenda Trump ran on. They've always found a way to kill the big ticket items, except tax cuts and reform which their open border business donors wanted.
Trump has had better success negotiating with other nations because he's been able to create leverage. He should be able to create leverage with the Rats in Congress if the Pubs were united with him, but they aren't.
Blame those who deserve it. The Pubs in Congress.
The GOP deserves all the scorn and contempt it gets.
However, Trump was sold as a person who could work with anyone to get a 'deal'. Hell, the Trump nuts were lauding his deal-making abilities to get the Norks to de-nuke (which was again - another ego-stroking photo-op ruse), and celebrated his ability to get Lil' Rocketman Kim to the table.
Trump can get Lil' Kim to deal but not his own party in Congress?? To suggest Trump's inability to negotiate a deal with a hostile congress is not his fault when people were sold on the false idea that Trump's ability to make deals was god-like, makes my whole point : Trump was and is not the person he and his merry band marketed himself to be.
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No, you're both wrong.
You're animus for Trump regardless of what he does is pretty obvious.
Well, both he and mostly his mewling throngs of ForeverTrumps® have seen to that. But we're not wrong here, despite our animus.
It's been clear from the get go that the tariffs are a negotiating tool.
Ah yes, let us tax and bailout the Americans hurt by the tool. Great plan.
It's a LOSE LOSE for the American people who have to pay the tariff for the goods targeted and then all of us now have to pay for a multi-b-b-billion dollar bailout of the Americans who took a hit because of this 'negotiating tool'.
It sucks and is no deal for us. We just get taxed more and then the government gets to tax us again to deal with the problem government created in the first place.
The people complaing about the tariffs are the same people who complain about how other countries take advantage of us. You don't get to have it both ways just because you don't like Trump. He is doing a lot of good things.
I'm complaining about it because I have to pay for it. Then I have to pay higher taxes to bailout the farmers and industries that got hurt by this fun little trade war Trump is waging.
As far as I am concerned, the only person being taken advantage of, is me and the American people who have to work and pay for all this shit so policy wonks can point to a false victory and scream 'Winning!'. I'm not winning shit with Trump. My wallet is losing with Trump.
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If you look inside these polls you see a couple of things. Republicans are somewhat less enthusiastic than Democrats. But also, the Republicans have lost independent supporters. The first I believe is mostly due to stalled legislation. The second is because Trump has proven himself unfit to be President, and the Republicans cannot be trusted to hold him in check.
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A good Republican might do nothing that particularly elates us but if he/she keeps that seat out of democrat butts, it is worth voting for.
Not when he votes with the socialists.
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Just another propaganda piece. YAWN!!!
@Bigun
WOMP, WOMP: DNC's Tom Perez Prepares Democrats For Losses
https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra (https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra)
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@Bigun
WOMP, WOMP: DNC's Tom Perez Prepares Democrats For Losses
https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra (https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra)
@To-Whose-Benefit?
I'm amazed! Not that he would do it but that it got reported anywhere!
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Actually, I'm glad to see all the polls and worst case scenarios depicting the GOP losing. I see it as GOP voter turn out being HUGE and the DEMS becoming complacent thinking they don't need to show up to vote because the polls are showing that they're winning ... you know just like Hillary was suposed to win. :rolling:
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Maybe not the primary reason, but Trump will be one of the reasons. His unwillingness to work with his own party in getting his supposed agenda done will be a factor.
Of course, Trump's fans will exonerate him because he has told them to. Nothing that goes wrong or anything that doesn't get done is never his fault. From the beginning of his presidency, Trump has blamed "the swamp" or whatever term he likes to use at any given moment, for any campaign promise that wasn't fulfilled. And his fans will continue the blame game because he said so.
A Democrat majority in either or both houses of congress will be great for Trump. In that event, Trump won't have to keep any of his promises. He will have a good excuse for doing nothing. Heck, he might even go back to being a Democrat again.
Say what you will, but it was the Congressional GOP who failed to repeal Obamacare, and that's just the beginning. Many of them ran on exactly that issue, but forgot all about that when they got to DC.
I'm fair enough to not blame POTUS for Congress' failures, and vice-versa.
There is still the 900 lb gorilla in the room. Voter Fraud, and plenty of it.
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Not when he votes with the socialists.
If he votes with them, he isn't any good, no matter what party he claims.
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Trump Has Red China Reeling
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/08/trump-has-red-china-reeling.html
as anyone who'd bothered to read the slug of articles covering China itself I've posted in the World News Section over the last 4 or 5 days here already knows.
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But what did Trump actually do to get the lazy lumps moving on repeal? How many times did he meet with the Republican party hierarchy in both houses? I recall seeing some photos or maybe a video or two of one or two such meetings, but it all looked like PR to me. No, Trump delegated or abdicated his responsibilities and when the Republicans didn't get the job done, he took to Twitter to blame them.
As a Republican president with Republican majorities in both houses, he should have been able to move them forward. Yes, they have to do the work, but he could have been the great leader, the successful mogul he claimed to be and motivated them to get going. He didn't.
So yes, he failed as much as the Republican in both houses did. Not that his faithful followers will ever blame him.
What he actually did was threaten to primary the few conservatives that wanted to actually repeal Obamacare and not raise taxes in other areas. Not much on the Democrat side threat wise... No appeal to the American people. No actual threat of shutting down government to get what he said he wanted. The Dems were very pleased with the results.
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This is why you are wrong, in order to negotiate you have to have willing partners. The liberal pubs "establishment" were never willing to back the agenda Trump ran on. They've always found a way to kill the big ticket items, except tax cuts and reform which their open border business donors wanted.
Trump has had better success negotiating with other nations because he's been able to create leverage. He should be able to create leverage with the Rats in Congress if the Pubs were united with him, but they aren't.
Blame those who deserve it. The Pubs in Congress.
If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.
But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.
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If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.
But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.
QFT!
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Well, at this point I really don't care what happens in November and it seems neither does Trump nor his fans. They would rather spend their time on frivolous controversies such as Omarosa and Barack Obama's eligibility. Too bad. Trump and the Republicans had a golden opportunity in two years to trounce the Democrats. But they would rather waste their time on phony controversies and imaginary enemies.
Fine with me. I hope they are all ready for the loss of freedom, burdensome taxation and the takeover of the US by its enemies. Me? I will endure as I did during 8 years of Obama. I've had a lot of practice. If I am reduced to poverty, I'll just go on the dole as so many others have.
Enjoy!
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If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.
But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.
Tump CREATED the impasse. And no, he ain't much different from Dubya's first term.
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If Trump tweets something stupid just before the election Republicans will lose more seats.
If the Democrats demand ICE be be abolished and push more socialist candidates just before the election they'll lose more seats.
Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against. The only real question is which party will make the biggest boneheaded move. And on that front, who knows...
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Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against.
Bingo.
And I am DONE practicing that particular form of insanity.
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If Trump tweets something stupid just before the election Republicans will lose more seats. If the Democrats demand ICE be be abolished and push more socialist candidates just before the election they'll lose more seats. Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against. The only real question is which party will make the biggest boneheaded move. And on that front, who knows...
@DB
Thanks for your reality post.
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If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.
But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.
:amen:
It was the Pub party that deserted us not Trump. I figured the opposite would be the case. I really don't see how anything would be different legislatively if the Rats gain control of the House.
If the Rats control the House no immigration reform will be passed, obamacare won't be completely repealed, voter fraud won't be addressed. IOW, nothing changes. The only thing we will see is never ending investigations of Trump and possible impeachment that will go nowhere in the Senate.
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:amen:
It was the Pub party that deserted us not Trump. I figured the opposite would be the case. I really don't see how anything would be different legislatively if the Rats gain control of the House.
If the Rats control the House no immigration reform will be passed, obamacare won't be completely repealed, voter fraud won't be addressed. IOW, nothing changes. The only thing we will see is never ending investigations of Trump and possible impeachment that will go nowhere in the Senate.
Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.
With that what did you really expect???
The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.
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Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.
With that what did you really expect???
The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.
I don't get where pointing out that Trump has actually tried to do what he said he would do and the Pub party failing to do what they said they would do is "poor Trump crap". Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him. Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.
I remember at the start of his administration Trump brought in Preibus among others. I thought it was a good move on his part to try and get the Pub party unified and to have people with legislative experience working with legislators. I didn't think that was abandoning changing how things work. We don't elect a monarch. Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR. Trump has trusted the Pub party too much and their failure is going to cost them in the mid term elections.
Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.
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Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.
With that what did you really expect???
The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.
:thumbsup:
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I don't get where pointing out that Trump has actually tried to do what he said he would do and the Pub party failing to do what they said they would do is "poor Trump crap". Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him. Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.
I remember at the start of his administration Trump brought in Preibus among others. I thought it was a good move on his part to try and get the Pub party unified and to have people with legislative experience working with legislators. I didn't think that was abandoning changing how things work. We don't elect a monarch. Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR. Trump has trusted the Pub party too much and their failure is going to cost them in the mid term elections.
Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.
It is Kabuki theater and I'm tired of being played. They tell you one thing and do something else. Over and over. Enough is enough.
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Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.
In two years what has he accomplished on an international level -- other than two summits, one of which he won't talk about and the other which produced some boxes that might contain the remains of our servicemen (still don't know yet what's in those boxes). In the meantime he has insulted our allies and has started a trade war. I don't see how any of that can be called accomplishments.
And please don't try to put Trump on the same level as President Reagan. Trump couldn't hold a candle to President Reagan -- domestically or internationally.
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I don't get where pointing out that Trump has actually tried to do what he said he would do and the Pub party failing to do what they said they would do is "poor Trump crap". Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him. Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.
I remember at the start of his administration Trump brought in Preibus among others. I thought it was a good move on his part to try and get the Pub party unified and to have people with legislative experience working with legislators. I didn't think that was abandoning changing how things work. We don't elect a monarch. Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR. Trump has trusted the Pub party too much and their failure is going to cost them in the mid term elections.
Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.
You are dead wrong. Trump does not want the government out of health care. He told you before the election that the "government was going to pay for healthcare for the 20% who can't afford it". He also told you he was going to mandate that health insurance cover preexisting condition. Something that is impossible unless you force people to buy insurance or "government pays" for it all (single payer). No one would buy health insurance until they need it otherwise. Why buy fire insurance for your house if you can get it after it burns down? Both those things puts the federal government smack in the middle of our healthcare due to Trump's own demands.
If Trump really wanted to do the thing you say, he would have started out by restoring lawfulness in the DOJ and FBI, departments he heads. Instead we got Sessions who's only real accomplishment is expanding asset forfeiture without due process which I'm totally against and unconstitutional - the very essence of lawless.
It is Kabuki theater. I'm not playing.
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Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him.
Why? We were told by Trump and his own fanbase that not only did they not need us, we were not wanted - they were going to do everything by themselves.
Plus, Trump is no more invested in pushing for actual Conservative policies anymore than Bush II was. Trump is too busy Tweeting insults to people who are 'not nice to him'.
Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.
Well, there's the proof that the faux image crafted for Trump as this superhuman negotiator who can make deals with anyone was pure unadulterated bullshit if he could not even persuade his own party to go along with his agenda and create legislation and pass those things. I mean, if Trump can't get what he wants from his own party - how is it that the Trump fanbase insists that Trump can negotiate with Democrats and get deals done for us? It's an absurd claim and was the moment it was made.
Sure the Republicans failed - they never had any intentions of doing what they paid lip service to undo for over the 8 years of Obama. That Trump's god-like abilities to make deals never made a dent in his own party's agenda - proves that he has no skills to do those things his fanbase insisted he, and only he could perform.
We don't elect a monarch.
Then why demand we 'root' for him? Surely Trump does not need our love and adoration like the gods of Olympus to accomplish his goals?
I find this amusing that the Trump fanbase has gone from "Only he, only Trump can do it and get what we need done!" to "It is not Trump's fault he got nothing done - we do not elect a monarch".
Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR.
No, no, no - not just the CR - but the 1.3 Trillion dollar budget signed in March after the two $700 Billion military spending appropriations signed on February 9th of this year, that handed and funded the entirety of the Democrat agenda. All deficit spending.
Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.
Once again, this lays bare the bullshit claims made that Trump was this superhuman deal-maker and negotiator. You just conceded that unless Trump acts as a monarch - and circumvents Congress, he cannot accomplish what he wants.
Just more evidence that He is none of those things that everyone claimed he would be.
Plus Trump's own behaviors and inability to control himself do him no favors to win us over to root for him.
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