The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2017, 05:17:09 pm
-
by Pam Key24 Sep 20173,377
On this weekend’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday,” network contributor and Republican strategist Karl Rove discussed President Donald Trump criticism of NFL players for taking a knee during the national anthem at games.
According to Rove, Trump would be “walking away” from this controversy a “loser.”
Rove said, “What instead of swearing at them, he said, ‘I understand that you have a right to do this, but we stand and respect our flag, not because of America’s imperfections, but because we are constantly as a nation aspiring to the approval of history. We salute the flag because the struggles and the sacrifices of generations of Americans to make this a better country. That is why we stand and salute our flag and why we put our hand over our heart.'”
more
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/24/karl-rove-nfl-protests-trump-will-walking-away-loser/
-
Rove is wrong.
-
Rove is wrong.
He's always wrong.
-
Did Rove use his whiteboard?
-
If that's what Rove said, then Trump will probably be just fine on this one.
-
If that's what Rove said, then Trump will probably be just fine on this one.
Rove is as bad as Dick Morris. LOL. Pretty much guarantees that Trump will come out the winner here. I did have my doubts until I read this thread.
-
Dick Morris has a YouTube broadcast. He is worth a listen.
Also Scott Adams has YouTube broadcasts. His take on things in unconventional, but he has proved to be correct.
I believe O'Reilly has also been doing YouTube.
Don't know or care much about Rove, since he is old school, and always pushing the open borders Jeb scenario.
The first 3 which I mention pretty much "Get Trump," whereas Rove hasn't the first clue.
-
Rove is like a little doll with a pull string. The only problem is he only knows a few phrases.
He has been saying, 'Trump will come out the loser on this!', for nearly three straight years now. Sometimes he is right. Sometimes he is wrong. But it is like playing roulette and betting on Red every time. It is hit and miss.
How he keeps getting booked is a mystery. It is certainly not based on his predictions, that's for sure. He has no better insight on the future than anyone else.
-
Rove is like a little doll with a pull string. The only problem is he only knows a few phrases.
He has been saying, 'Trump will come out the loser on this!', for nearly three straight years now. Sometimes he is right. Sometimes he is wrong. But it is like playing roulette and betting on Red every time. It is hit and miss.
How he keeps getting booked is a mystery. It is certainly not based on his predictions, that's for sure. He has no better insight on the future than anyone else.
The media have a short list, of who they turn to for commentary. They go for name recognition. Repetition gives name recognition.
Hence they go to McCain, Coulter, Rove and few others.
-
...America’s imperfections...
...a nation aspiring to the approval of history.
Well, this helps to explain Dubya.
-
The NFL will be walking (or kneeling) away a loser on this one.
The dissident players think they are protesting Trump but the public sees the whole stupid thing as protesting America, the Flag and the National Anthem.
And the public does not like it one bit. I've seen a bunch of posts on Facebook where people are vowing only to watch the Dallas Cowboys.
-
The leftist media will find a new love in Rove, and will dance delighted to the tune of the NFL laying Trump to waste, but in a couple years, when the chips are finally counted, it will be the NFL Owners who are going to be known as the losers. This doesn't just piss off Republicans, it pisses off a good share of Dems, too.
I say that as a non-fan of Trump, and I don't even know if this was a smart thing for him to do. I just now he's being out-dumbed by the owners and players of the NFL. I feel bad for the real popcorn concessionaires who are stuck in the middle and are going to get hurt.
-
The NFL will be walking (or kneeling) away a loser on this one.
The dissident players think they are protesting Trump but the public sees the whole stupid thing as protesting America, the Flag and the National Anthem.
And the public does not like it one bit. I've seen a bunch of posts on Facebook where people are vowing only to watch the Dallas Cowboys.
I am in the middle on this. Yes the players are protesting our Country all the while they demand their own rights from our Constitution. They cannot be bothered with allegiance but damn anyone to hell who might protest their speech/actions. Big hypocrites. I also think die hard football fans won't be able to stop watching. It's an addiction for them. Too bad. I'd love to see these pompous players go from riches to rags. No one deserves it more. Oh well. There are worse things in the world.
-
I am in the middle on this. Yes the players are protesting our Country all the while they demand their own rights from our Constitution. They cannot be bothered with allegiance but damn anyone to hell who might protest their speech/actions. Big hypocrites. I also think die hard football fans won't be able to stop watching. It's an addiction for them. Too bad. I'd love to see these pompous players go from riches to rags. No one deserves it more. Oh well. There are worse things in the world.
I think there a large number of fans who enjoy the game, are not addicted, and are pissed off it's been turned into something political. This will not redound to the left's benefit, nor to the bottom line of the teams.
-
I think there a large number of fans who enjoy the game, are not addicted, and are pissed off it's been turned into something political. This will not redound to the left's benefit, nor to the bottom line of the teams.
I hope you are right. When I see football fans, I see addicts. I don't mean it in a bad way, but it is a habit built up over years; I do not see them giving it up very easily. Fans will yell and scream on both sides just like they do during the game. Then it will pass. In this age of postmodernism, no one stands their ground for very long. Certainly not on something like this that gets in the way of their entertainment.
-
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
@Sanguine
If that's what Rove said, then Trump will probably be just fine on this one.
Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking. Rove is a dweeb at best.
-
I hope you are right. When I see football fans, I see addicts. I don't mean it in a bad way, but it is a habit built up over years; I do not see them giving it up very easily. Fans will yell and scream on both sides just like they do during the game. Then it will pass. In this age of postmodernism, no one stands their ground for very long. Certainly not on something like this that gets in the way of their entertainment.
I don't like Football anyway, but I'm a lot like that with Baseball, and if my beloved D'backs pulled this they would be dead to me.
-
I think all this only widens the divide within the country. Pushes everything further to an uncivil conclusion. Overall I don't think that is good.
But...
If we're going to be divided I'm not going to surrender to those who trash the country to make peace.
-
I think there a large number of fans who enjoy the game, are not addicted, and are pissed off it's been turned into something political. This will not redound to the left's benefit, nor to the bottom line of the teams.
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
-
I think all this only widens the divide within the country. Pushes everything further to an uncivil conclusion. Overall I don't think that is good.
But...
If we're going to be divided I'm not going to surrender to those who trash the country to make peace.
Especially when you stop and consider what that "peace" would look like. This isn't just about refusing to honor the flag, it's a show of support for Black Lives Matter (and Antifa). BLM has stated their goal is to crush all Police and render them unable to ever arrest a black person for any crime, and loot the rest of the country as "reparations." Imagine what that would be like.
There would be no "peace," it would be out-and-out warfare in our urban areas. Racist vigilantes would be sucked into the vacuum created, just for starters.
My prediction? As of now, demographers say black folk are about 13% of the country. That number would be 10% of a significantly reduced total after. A lot of people would die needlessly, and black people would be even worse off than they think they are today.
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
An excellent rant, one I most definitely agree with. I just don't understand it. Not even a little bit. Some jackass Catcher for the Oakland A's pulled this yesterday. Let's see if Baseball puts up with it.
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
My guess is they'd rather lose their business than be branded racist for resisting black thuggery.
-
My guess is they'd rather lose their business than be branded racist for resisting black thuggery.
I think so too, and this sets up an interesting scenario. They will lose their businesses if they continue to cave, there's no doubt in my mind. And, they're terrified of their majority black players, who seem to be mindlessly following some movement. I'd bet a majority of these players could not make a coherent defense of their actions, if they were ever asked (Spoiler: they won't be).
But they may be on the way to losing them anyway because the concussion issue is threatening to collapse the entire sport under a cloud of lawsuits.
-
Agreed, CL.
-
Defending the National Anthem and condemning those who protest it is pretty much of a no brainer for any POTUS. Trump went farther than most president's would have, but I didn't see anything in his comments that was out of bounds politically. If the protesters "have the right" to kneel, then the fans also have the right not to patronize the teams. Seems perfectly sensible to me.
As for calling out the owners, good for him. I have no sympathy for NFL owners, except the owners of the Green Bay Packers (the only NFL team owned by the fans).
-
I don't like Football anyway, but I'm a lot like that with Baseball, and if my beloved D'backs pulled this they would be dead to me.
You mean like they're gonna be round mid-October? :bolt:
^-^
-
I think all this only widens the divide within the country. Pushes everything further to an uncivil conclusion. Overall I don't think that is good.
But...
If we're going to be divided I'm not going to surrender to those who trash the country to make peace.
:beer:
-
All this is going to be very telling on where the country is, or isn't... Will the American people reject their sports being politicized by black thugs and the wannabees that follow them or will they succumb to their demands so that they can continue with their entertainment unabated? Which will come first?
At this point, I'm not sure.
-
Defending the National Anthem and condemning those who protest it is pretty much of a no brainer for any POTUS. Trump went farther than most president's would have, but I didn't see anything in his comments that was out of bounds politically. If the protesters "have the right" to kneel, then the fans also have the right not to patronize the teams. Seems perfectly sensible to me.
As for calling out the owners, good for him. I have no sympathy for NFL owners, except the owners of the Green Bay Packers (the only NFL team owned by the fans).
Dallas Cowboys have been known as "America's Team" for decades!
So (even if it's a marketing ploy and his heart isn't in it)...it's no surprise that the owner laid the law down that if anybody doesn't stand with the hands on their heart, "You're outta here!"
-
Dallas Cowboys have been known as "America's Team" for decades!
So (even if it's a marketing ploy and his heart isn't in it)...it's no surprise that the owner laid the law down that if anybody doesn't stand with the hands on their heart, "You're outta here!"
I don't care. I still hate Jerry Jones. And the Cowboys.
-
I don't care. I still hate Jerry Jones. And the Cowboys.
:laugh:
-
You mean like they're gonna be round mid-October? :bolt:
^-^
They could be after the 5th. Rockies have always been a tough nut for us. ^-^
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care..............
Thanks for sharing that @240B profound Insight.
-
They could be after the 5th. Rockies have always been a tough nut for us. ^-^
All hope is not lost @Cyber Liberty the Suns start training camp next week.
-
All hope is not lost @Cyber Liberty the Suns start training camp next week.
I hate Basketball ever since it became the equivalent of Professional Wrestling. The refs are on the take, and I'll guarantee that bunch won't stand for the Anthem. Good side: Dbacks just clinched home field advantage for the Wild Card Playoff with a walk-off hit, and it's extremely important because the Rockies are tough in their park.
There's a Champagne Shower going on right now in the locker room.
-
Ouch! @Cyber Liberty I'm a Basketball freak, and I'm sure some will kneel and I will be pizzed.. Go Rockets.
-
I hope you are right. When I see football fans, I see addicts. I don't mean it in a bad way, but it is a habit built up over years; I do not see them giving it up very easily. Fans will yell and scream on both sides just like they do during the game. Then it will pass. In this age of postmodernism, no one stands their ground for very long. Certainly not on something like this that gets in the way of their entertainment.
I love football. Love to watch, love to hear the sound of a game in the background; I love football. And, I've walked away from it. I watched maybe a couple of pro games last season and will not watch any this season.
(I do still watch college football)
-
Trump is still POed at the NFL for other reasons. I still watch pro-football.
-
Ouch! @Cyber Liberty I'm a Basketball freak, and I'm sure some will kneel and I will be pizzed.. Go Rockets.
I was particularly amused when a ref, who later admitted to being bribed to do so, suspended most of the Suns' starting lineup for game 5 of a 5-game playoff series. I can't tell you how long and hard I laughed. The ref confessed, and was back on the court the beginning of the next season.
The entire sport called "Basketball" can go Eff itself. Never watched a game since.
-
Trump is still POed at the NFL for other reasons. I still watch pro-football.
Color me surprised.
-
I love football. Love to watch, love to hear the sound of a game in the background; I love football. And, I've walked away from it. I watched maybe a couple of pro games last season and will not watch any this season.
(I do still watch college football)
Good for you. I would do the same if I watched it. I used to watch college football. It seems more genuine. I don't have television so I don't watch anything except my DVDs. Right now I have "Murder She Wrote" playing in the background. LOL. I lead a boring life.
-
The NFL will be walking (or kneeling) away a loser on this one.
The dissident players think they are protesting Trump but the public sees the whole stupid thing as protesting America, the Flag and the National Anthem.
And the public does not like it one bit. I've seen a bunch of posts on Facebook where people are vowing only to watch the Dallas Cowboys.
Kinda tough to just watch the Cowboys unless they play by themselves.
-
The NFL will be walking (or kneeling) away a loser on this one.
The dissident players think they are protesting Trump but the public sees the whole stupid thing as protesting America, the Flag and the National Anthem.
And the public does not like it one bit. I've seen a bunch of posts on Facebook where people are vowing only to watch the Dallas Cowboys.
The comments I saw in SF Gate are heavily against these stupid protests, fer cryin out loud.
-
Kinda tough to just watch the Cowboys unless they play by themselves.
And they'll still Lose. @IsailedawayfromFR
-
And they'll still Lose. @IsailedawayfromFR
:silly:
"Football," right?
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
Great post.
Insanity only fueled by poor leadership in the NFL. Goodell is a nightmare.
I'm probably a bit of an addict. I've loved football, mostly professional football, since we had two teams in Dallas, The Dallas Texans (who became the Kansas City Chiefs) and the Cowboys.
I'll always watch the Cowboys. But we're lucky enough to have an owner who won't put up with the crap.
-
Football is dead. No one can afford to go to games. Moms don't want their kids to play it so everyone plays soccer now. Ratings are in the toilet because the sportcasters are Commie Pinkos. Roger Goodell is an effing loser of the first order who would be cleaning the stalls in a gay bath house if it were not for his dad. Teams are like vampires jumping from host city to host city sucking up tax money to build their shrines to failure......but Karl Rove is never wrong so I guess I will side with his genius.
(http://i16.tinypic.com/4qnseaq.jpg)
-
Great post.
Insanity only fueled by poor leadership in the NFL. Goodell is a nightmare.
I'm probably a bit of an addict. I've loved football, mostly professional football, since we had two teams in Dallas, The Dallas Texans (who became the Kansas City Chiefs) and the Cowboys.
I'll always watch the Cowboys. But we're lucky enough to have an owner who won't put up with the crap.
I grew up watching the Chiefs with my Dad and whoever was playing the Cowboys. My father sorely hated the NFL, the Cowboys, and Murchison for the Texans leaving Dallas and Tex Schramm's part in the NFL/AFL merger. He and I along with friends would drive to Hillsboro to setup the camping trailer just to watch whatever team was playing here at home against the Cowboys due to blackouts.
My father's best friend and his family were huge Cowboys fan. His daughter's successful dream was to be a cheerleader for them. After every Cowboy's win, the phone would ring sending my father into a cursing blue streak knowing it was his friend calling to rub it in. The first baby gift my father's first grandchild received was from my father's friend -- A Roger Staubach tee.
I thought he might forgive the Cowboys when Jerry Jones bought them, but good ol' Jerry shat upon Tom Landry right out of the gate. My father might not have been a Landry fan, but he respected him and Jones obviously did not. He thought the Cowboys got exactly what they deserved in Jerry Jones.
To make matters worse for my Dad, my brother did not follow in my Dad's footsteps, but loved the Cowboys. He wore the shirts and would roll his eyes at my Dad for not supporting America's Team. I, on the other hand, was his only cohort as I had more sense than to root for the Cowboys in front of my Dad. Instead, I avidly listened to his stories about the evil Cowboys, the dastardly Tex Schramm, the "Kill that SOB!"es when Rodger would Dodge, and the never-ending aspersion's cast upon Lance's sexuality whenever the announcer would claim that Rentzel was in motion; although I didn't truly understand what those aspersions actually meant. I enjoyed every minute of those Sundays spent with my Dad and would give anything if I could hear him hurl a few invectives at the television; although I know that he would not be watching football right now even if he could. He would be livid with the NFL and the SJW players and would be cussing a blue streak about it all. Without a doubt.
-
Progressives seem to always tear things down. Not build things.
We'll see how far this destruction goes.
-
I am a Bronco fan since 1977. Until today. 32 of the overpaid coddled crybabies chose to disrespect the American flag and spit in the face of the country that made them wealthy. Too bad the Broncos have already gone 2-1 because I can no longer hope they lose 16 games. I am done with watching football. Oh well, it will give me more time on the Sunday afternoons that I am not working for a living. At something less than tens of thousands of dollars a minute....
-
Once again, Trump sets the trap, and the Left falls right into it.
-
They could be after the 5th. Rockies have always been a tough nut for us. ^-^
I hope the Rockies are still around because I'm not going to be watching the Broncos for the first time in 40 years
-
Once again, Trump sets the trap, and the Left falls right into it.
You know why that is right? President Trump trips them up...They're all out to get him, so when he mentions an African country like "Labia" the liberals and news media start screaming there is no country in Africa named "Labia," but that is the fake news for you. According to Sean Hannity "Labia is located south of the frenular delta."
-
Trump took things from simmer to boil is short order. Adding himself to the pot.
At some point things are going to come apart.
Hard to say what the result will be.
-
Trump took things from simmer to boil is short order. Adding himself to the pot.
At some point things are going to come apart.
Hard to say what the result will be.
Whatever the results it won't be good.
-
Trump took things from simmer to boil is short order. Adding himself to the pot.
No argument here. But let's remember it was Obama who lit the stove.
-
Whatever the results it won't be good.
FoxNews has this up on their site: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/25/ww2-veteran-97-kneels-in-support-protesting-athletes.html
So now this is morphing into a right to protest - never mind these people are employees doing their protesting on the employers time...
-
What the hell are they protesting? I doubt any of them have a clue.
This all started as Kaepernick's protest against the treatment of black men by police officers. What the heck does the national anthem have to do with whatever local police officers do? And how did kneeling, hiding in the lockerroom, linking arms or stretching (LeSean McCoy, ahem) during the Star Spangled Banner change anything about alleged police brutality?
:banging:
-
What the hell are they protesting? I doubt any of them have a clue.
This all started as Kaepernick's protest against the treatment of black men by police officers. What the heck does the national anthem have to do with whatever local police officers do? And how did kneeling, hiding in the lockerroom, linking arms or stretching (LeSean McCoy, ahem) during the Star Spangled Banner change anything about alleged police brutality?
:banging:
???
"...with LIBERTY and JUSTICE FOR ALL!"
[don't agree with it...but that's what the Muslim sympathizer Kaepernick based it upon)
-
6 NFL players protested during the National Anthem last week; about 150 this week. Presumably, that's unintended consequences from this President’s rhetoric. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next unintended consequence is the ceasing of the anthem at many sporting events.
-
FoxNews has this up on their site: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/25/ww2-veteran-97-kneels-in-support-protesting-athletes.html
So now this is morphing into a right to protest - never mind these people are employees doing their protesting on the employers time...
This is going to get out of control in a hurry. My fear is that it will spread to the military.
-
I wouldn’t be surprised if the next unintended consequence is the ceasing of the anthem at many sporting events.
Aw, poor Woodrow Wilson.
-
I wouldn’t be surprised if the next unintended consequence is the ceasing of the anthem at many sporting events.
I was thinking that is exactly where this is headed.
-
Karl has been wrong on Trump before. :tongue2:
-
Karl Rove on NFL Protests: Trump Will Be ‘Walking Away From This a Loser’
This is reassuring. Karl Rove is always wrong. Karl Rove is an imbecile. He was the biggest thing wrong with Bush's administration.
-
FoxNews has this up on their site: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/25/ww2-veteran-97-kneels-in-support-protesting-athletes.html
So now this is morphing into a right to protest - never mind these people are employees doing their protesting on the employers time...
@DB
This is one of the ones I was referring to last night, how this is being used by the Left to sway middle-of-the-roaders. The big push is that "it's patriotic to protest," and that "the anti-Americans are the anti-Protesters". Look for many veterans saying they fought for the right to protest.
I agree with @txradioguy that the spread to the military is a real concern. Trump has taken a small smoldering ember and fanned it into a brushfire.
-
I agree with @txradioguy that the spread to the military is a real concern.
Spread what to the military? What is there is there and if anything has been spread to the military then that was spread by prior administrations.
-
Spread what to the military? What is there is there and if anything has been spread to the military then that was spread by prior administrations.
What I meant was that I could see the taking a knee during the Anthem or simply refusing to stand up spread to military functions where a soldier decides to support what football players are doing now.
There's been a lot of SJW teaching gs and rhetoric spread through the military for the last 8 years.
You're going to have a few who decide they are the military version of Colin Kapernick.
-
The leftist media will find a new love in Rove, and will dance delighted to the tune of the NFL laying Trump to waste, but in a couple years, when the chips are finally counted, it will be the NFL Owners who are going to be known as the losers. This doesn't just piss off Republicans, it pisses off a good share of Dems, too.
I say that as a non-fan of Trump, and I don't even know if this was a smart thing for him to do. I just now he's being out-dumbed by the owners and players of the NFL. I feel bad for the real popcorn concessionaires who are stuck in the middle and are going to get hurt.
What Trump did was stir the fecal matter...but he didn't create it. Not a Trump fan, but I support the office of the president. Trump shouldn't be making direct statements to pro athletes and their teams about hiring and firing.
But it is alright and to be commended for the president to a symbol of what the country stands and say things supporting it.
What Trump said was a little over the line, but he was defending the country, and I'll give him credit for that.
I have no respect for the players whatsoever and believe what they're doing damages the country far more than what Trump says. And I'll add I now detest all the team owners and big shots who are virtue-signaling as fast as they can.
-
Karl has been wrong on Trump before. :tongue2:
888high58888
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
"The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can."
:thumbsup3:
-
This story is doing a fantastic job of keeping "0bamacare repeal" failure off of the front pages.
-
This story is doing a fantastic job of keeping "0bamacare repeal" failure off of the front pages.
That, and a few dozen other national and international stories that are more important than millionaire athletes acting like children.
-
Especially when you stop and consider what that "peace" would look like. This isn't just about refusing to honor the flag, it's a show of support for Black Lives Matter (and Antifa). BLM has stated their goal is to crush all Police and render them unable to ever arrest a black person for any crime, and loot the rest of the country as "reparations." Imagine what that would be like.
There would be no "peace," it would be out-and-out warfare in our urban areas. Racist vigilantes would be sucked into the vacuum created, just for starters.
My prediction? As of now, demographers say black folk are about 13% of the country. That number would be 10% of a significantly reduced total after. A lot of people would die needlessly, and black people would be even worse off than they think they are today.
"it would be out-and-out warfare in our urban areas"
Nobody except the fringe nuts on both sides wants that.
However, as someone who was a liberal as a teen in the sixties chiefly due to the civil rights issues, it is deeply disturbing to see that for intents and purposes integration has failed.
Blacks on college campi across the country demand separate dorms, buildings, and services.
75% of blacks in a recent poll support the demonstrations at games.
Where does that leave us?
I'm beginning to think maybe separation might be a good idea if only to teach American blacks where their bread is buttered. There won't be much butter or bread if left to their own devices.
-
"it would be out-and-out warfare in our urban areas"
Nobody except the fringe nuts on both sides wants that.
However, as someone who was a liberal as a teen in the sixties chiefly due to the civil rights issues, it is deeply disturbing to see that for intents and purposes integration has failed.
Blacks on college campi across the country demand separate dorms, buildings, and services.
75% of blacks in a recent poll support the demonstrations at games.
Where does that leave us?
I'm beginning to think maybe separation might be a good idea if only to teach American blacks where their bread is buttered. There won't be much butter or bread if left to their own devices.
Dr. King's dream has been turned on it's head by the very people that claim to continue the struggle in his name.
-
The precedent is already known and it is quite clear. Hollywood as a whole, along with the music industry, have made billions by pissing on the flag, disparaging America and Americans, and by promoting every kind of vile debauchery known to man. Granted, this attitude has affected them dearly, more than anyone will ever know, but they don't seem to mind. It seems that the only single thing in Hollywood that is more important than money, sex, and drugs, is to maintain 'the agenda'. They keep the Leftist agenda going at any costs. They don't seem to care.
Based on that, maybe the NFL, NBA, and ESPN, are also willing to sacrifice anything to keep 'the agenda' of hating America and, of course, President Trump going. The biggest difference is that Hollywood and music play to the Left. That is where the Left dwells. It is their environment. Whereas sports are not normally a big part of the Leftist world. Sports audiences are dominated mostly by the Right. So, they may not be able to sustain it as Hollywood has.
Everything WAS fine. If someone in sports management is orchestrating this to stir up division, they are taking a huge bet. I don't know what they are thinking or what they have planned, but for the life of me I cannot see any upside to all of this for anyone in the sports industry. It seems like a needless disruption that can only end in audience/revenue losses.
NFL decline over the last few years
- weird rules changes
- slow play/action = long drawn out games
- player behavior off field
- the concussion issue
- general bad reputation of so many players
- banning any display of Americanism/Patriotism/Christianity/Police or Military support
- and others...
Take all of this and mix in anti-Americanism and open anti-White Racism into the pot. Then add a big steaming helping of Politics and throw that in. Wow. That is stinky brew they're mixing up. Who do they think is going to drink it?
The NFL is so quick to ban little tiny things that either no one cares about or is something that would actually boost the game. A yet they support an active major disruption to the game by anti-American thugs? It makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you look at it.
Someone from Mars would assume that management is either mentally challenged, or they are deliberately trying to commit suicide.
I don't know. I remain confused why no one why up there in the chain of command in the NFL doesn't say, "Ok kids. You've had your little 'outburst' or whatever. Now it's time to get back to the game."
But they won't do it. In fact they seem to support it. Are they crazy? I guess they want to go down with the ship for their cause, or causes or whatever this is about. They are willing to take the hits for this while nobody is completely sure even what it is they are fighting for? What is the goal? What is the expected outcome? There isn't a defined point.
They are protesting for the sake of protesting. Nothing more. And their 'enabler' parents are letting them get away with it. How can anyone solve a problem if the person complaining doesn't even know what they are mad about or what they want done? The whole thing is juvenile and idiotic. It is nothing more than a bunch of multi-millionaire children throwing a temper tantrum simply because they can.
- banning any display of Americanism etc, yet allowing players to wear socks displaying cops as pigs. Pathetic NFL and owners. I hope they all loose their proverbial shorts this year.
-
What I meant was that I could see the taking a knee during the Anthem or simply refusing to stand up spread to military functions where a soldier decides to support what football players are doing now.
There's been a lot of SJW teaching gs and rhetoric spread through the military for the last 8 years.
You're going to have a few who decide they are the military version of Colin Kapernick.
Have you ever been in the military? I have, protesting is not allowed, period. Should one take it upon themselves to break protocol and protest the consequence will be rapid and severe.
-
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2Fuser3303%2Fimageroot%2F2016%2F09%2F01%2F20160901_kaep1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2016-09-01%2Fpolice-leader-slams-nfls-downward-spiral-after-kaepernicks-pig-cop-socks-stunt&docid=G2iT6CIwzo5lPM&tbnid=o63Df3_dmH-GcM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiMqJ2U0MDWAhWqxVQKHZzTC7YQMwg7KAIwAg..i&w=526&h=443&hl=en-us&client=safari&bih=666&biw=1024&q=pig%20socks%20nfl&ved=0ahUKEwiMqJ2U0MDWAhWqxVQKHZzTC7YQMwg7KAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8 (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2Fuser3303%2Fimageroot%2F2016%2F09%2F01%2F20160901_kaep1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2016-09-01%2Fpolice-leader-slams-nfls-downward-spiral-after-kaepernicks-pig-cop-socks-stunt&docid=G2iT6CIwzo5lPM&tbnid=o63Df3_dmH-GcM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiMqJ2U0MDWAhWqxVQKHZzTC7YQMwg7KAIwAg..i&w=526&h=443&hl=en-us&client=safari&bih=666&biw=1024&q=pig%20socks%20nfl&ved=0ahUKEwiMqJ2U0MDWAhWqxVQKHZzTC7YQMwg7KAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8)
-
Dr. King's dream has been turned on it's head by the very people that claim to continue the struggle in his name.
I have long wondered whether we only respect Martin Luther King as a result of the fact he was killed back in 1968, and therefore his 1960s positions were frozen in time. I note that many of his associates and contemporaries (such as Jessie Jackson) evolved into something that does not resemble King's 1960s positions of judging people by the content of their character.
The question is, would King have "evolved" along with them into another race-hustler like Jackson or Sharpton? Would King have the respect he does now had he continued living?
I suspect not.
-
Have you ever been in the military? I have, protesting is not allowed, period. Should one to take it upon themselves to break protocol and protest the consequence will be rapid and severe.
*looks down at Sgt. 1st Class rank on his multi cams*
*looks back up at jpsb*
I think that kinda answers that silly question.
Next...
When was the last year you served? There has been a lot that has changed and not for the better. If a soldier decided to pull a Kapernick...and there are some in the military right now that WOULD pull that stunt...they won't be touched for fear of the offending soldier file an EO complaint.
When I say that the Liberal agenda and the SJW/BLM crap has infected our ranks...I know of that which I speak.
-
I have long wondered whether we only respect Martin Luther King as a result of the fact he was killed back in 1968, and therefore his 1960s positions were frozen in time. I note that many of his associates and contemporaries (such as Jessie Jackson) evolved into something that does not resemble King's 1960s positions of judging people by the content of their character.
The question is, would King have "evolved" along with them into another race-hustler like Jackson or Sharpton? Would King have the respect he does now had he continued living?
I suspect not.
I suspect not either. Remember, Jackson was not highly thought of by King.
-
I have long wondered whether we only respect Martin Luther King as a result of the fact he was killed back in 1968, and therefore his 1960s positions were frozen in time. I note that many of his associates and contemporaries (such as Jessie Jackson) evolved into something that does not resemble King's 1960s positions of judging people by the content of their character.
The question is, would King have "evolved" along with them into another race-hustler like Jackson or Sharpton? Would King have the respect he does now had he continued living?
I suspect not.
@DiogenesLamp on this I agree with you completely.
-
*looks down at Sgt. 1st Class rank on his multi cams*
*looks back up at jpsb*
I think that kinda answers that silly question.
Next...
When was the last year you served? There has been a lot that has changed and not for the better. If a soldier decided to pull a Kapernick...and there are some in the military right now that WOULD pull that stunt...they won't be touched for fear of the offending soldier file an EO complaint.
When I say that the Liberal agenda and the SJW/BLM crap has infected our ranks...I know of that which I speak.
Yeah??
Well, guess what, 'Einstein'?
President Trump is the CIC now....., not the Kenyan. Try and keep up.
-
Big Sports needs to hear our message that we can take or leave their product.
This has been brewing for a long time, the anthem is just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
We are tired of paying big money and spending our time watching a bunch of millionaire thugs playing for billionaire owners who fleece the taxpayers.
-
*looks down at Sgt. 1st Class rank on his multi cams*
*looks back up at jpsb*
I think that kinda answers that silly question.
Next...
When was the last year you served? There has been a lot that has changed and not for the better. If a soldier decided to pull a Kapernick...and there are some in the military right now that WOULD pull that stunt...they won't be touched for fear of the offending soldier file an EO complaint.
When I say that the Liberal agenda and the SJW/BLM crap has infected our ranks...I know of that which I speak.
I got out in 71 so it was a long time ago but I can't believe USA or USN or USMC would stand for any of this. In my day the best you would get is "office hours". Bad Conduct discharge would be much more likely.
-
I have long wondered whether we only respect Martin Luther King as a result of the fact he was killed back in 1968, and therefore his 1960s positions were frozen in time. I note that many of his associates and contemporaries (such as Jessie Jackson) evolved into something that does not resemble King's 1960s positions of judging people by the content of their character.
The question is, would King have "evolved" along with them into another race-hustler like Jackson or Sharpton? Would King have the respect he does now had he continued living?
I suspect not.
No one can know for sure. But I’d like to think MLK was more principled than that and would not fall prey to political correctness.
-
"it would be out-and-out warfare in our urban areas"
Nobody except the fringe nuts on both sides wants that.
However, as someone who was a liberal as a teen in the sixties chiefly due to the civil rights issues, it is deeply disturbing to see that for intents and purposes integration has failed.
Blacks on college campi across the country demand separate dorms, buildings, and services.
75% of blacks in a recent poll support the demonstrations at games.
Where does that leave us?
I'm beginning to think maybe separation might be a good idea if only to teach American blacks where their bread is buttered. There won't be much butter or bread if left to their own devices.
They think they're not getting their "fair share," whatever that is, so they'll just destroy everything for everybody instead. It's basic human nature (one of the uglier aspects of that nature). This is certain to end poorly, mostly for them.
-
I got out in 71 so it was a long time ago but I can't believe USA or USN or USMC would stand for any of this. In my day the best you would get is "office hours". Bad Conduct discharge would be much more likely.
Well we've got Flag Officers at the 4 Star level openly saying they will defy the repeal of allowing Trannies to serve openly in the ranks.
I went through the Equal Opportunity course back in march...it's allllll about the Social Justice Liberal PC crap.
Hell it's a mandatory bullet on my NCOER now that I support the SHARP/EO policies of the unit.
The most recent edition of FM 670-1 had to be sent back and revised because of complaints it didn't take into consideration "ethnic" hair styles.
This crap wouldn't have happened even when I was active duty the first time back in the 90's or even pre Obama in the earlier part of this century.
But thanks to Obama and the yes men PC officers he promoted up the ranks in the Pentagon...Social Justice is a reality in the military as I type this.
-
*looks down at Sgt. 1st Class rank on his multi cams*
*looks back up at jpsb*
I think that kinda answers that silly question.
Next...
When was the last year you served? There has been a lot that has changed and not for the better. If a soldier decided to pull a Kapernick...and there are some in the military right now that WOULD pull that stunt...they won't be touched for fear of the offending soldier file an EO complaint.
When I say that the Liberal agenda and the SJW/BLM crap has infected our ranks...I know of that which I speak.
I seem to recall a story a couple years back about a gal serving on a base who hid in the back of a car to avoid standing for Taps. She posted a selfie on FB or Twitter, laughing about how she "put one over on the man," and she was punished for doing it.
-
I have long wondered whether we only respect Martin Luther King as a result of the fact he was killed back in 1968, and therefore his 1960s positions were frozen in time. I note that many of his associates and contemporaries (such as Jessie Jackson) evolved into something that does not resemble King's 1960s positions of judging people by the content of their character.
The question is, would King have "evolved" along with them into another race-hustler like Jackson or Sharpton? Would King have the respect he does now had he continued living? I suspect not.
I've wondered if the race-baiting Jackson, Sharpton and ultimately Obama would have risen to prominence had MLK lived. I think not.
MLK's death opened the door to these hustlers ... they corrupted what MLK preached and there was no one to challenge them.
-
Yeah??
Well, guess what, 'Einstein'?
President Trump is the CIC now....., not the Kenyan. Try and keep up.
Really? no sh*t? Thank you Captain Obvious for yesterday's news.
Was there an intelligent point you were trying to make or just toss out something you thought was a funny random insult?
Either way you failed.
-
I seem to recall a story a couple years back about a gal serving on a base who hid in the back of a car to avoid standing for Taps. She posted a selfie on FB or Twitter, laughing about how she "put one over on the man," and she was punished for doing it.
Whatever "punishment" she received was done in secret at Ft. Carson. Which could mean anything from an Article 15...but then that wouldn't be kept secret as the Company Commander usually posts those on a board outside his door...to having to sit through a power point presentation on the proper use of social media.
My guess...it was kept secret because all she got was an @ss chewing from her First Sergeant and told to be more careful in the future.
-
Really? no sh*t? Thank you Captain Obvious for yesterday's news.
Was there an intelligent point you were trying to make or just toss out something you thought was a funny random insult?
Either way you failed.
Yeah? Why don't you try it? Do an experiment.
But be sure to call the local news to cover it before you do. Then get back to us. :whistle:
-
No one has made this connection yet, so let me. I think this goes hand in hand with the general classlessness and individual star power that has become so prevalent in the NFL. The players celebrate the most routine plays with ridiculous antics. They come onto the field personally accessorized in a way that identifies them as individuals for the TV cameras (and not coincidentally to attract sponsors who might be interested in paying them for endorsements). The league has simply lost its way.
It is no wonder that players now try to distinguish themselves by declaring their sexual preference, or making political statements. It is all part of differentiating oneself so that one becomes attractive as a spokesperson for some niche market. Unfortunately, it has diminished the NFL brand as a whole, as owners and coaches no longer have the power to stop it.
What the NFL needs more than anything right now is a Tom Landry.
-
No one has made this connection yet, so let me. I think this goes hand in hand with the general classlessness and individual star power that has become so prevalent in the NFL. The players celebrate the most routine plays with ridiculous antics. They come onto the field personally accessorized in a way that identifies them as individuals for the TV cameras (and not coincidentally to attract sponsors who might be interested in paying them for endorsements). The league has simply lost its way.
It is no wonder that players now try to distinguish themselves by declaring their sexual preference, or making political statements. It is all part of differentiating oneself so that one becomes attractive as a spokesperson for some niche market. Unfortunately, it has diminished the NFL brand as a whole, as owners and coaches no longer have the power to stop it.
What the NFL needs more than anything right now is a Tom Landry.
Fedora and all!!! :patriot:
-
What the NFL needs more than anything right now is a Tom Landry.
Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
-
No one can know for sure. But I’d like to think MLK was more principled than that and would not fall prey to political correctness.
I thought the entire nation was more principled than it has turned out to be. We now routinely tolerated offenses against us that would not have been tolerated by the people of the 1960s.
Many people whom I regarded as principled persons (such as John McCain) have "evolved" over time to be something very different from what I thought they were. There is a corruption of principle that seems to accompany an acquisition of power, and whether it is from the culture of our capital city and it's Deep State sycophants in the Media system, or just the natural human response to being given power, I do not know, but I see few people in history that appear to be immuned to it.
I suspect King would have "evolved" into something very different from what he was in the 1960s.
-
McCain hasn't been "principled" since he stepped off the plane from Hanoi and dumped his disabled wife (who stood by him the whole time he was in Prison) and hooked up with the loaded hot beer baroness.
-
I got out in 71 so it was a long time ago but I can't believe USA or USN or USMC would stand for any of this. In my day the best you would get is "office hours". Bad Conduct discharge would be much more likely.
Article 15
-
Have you ever been in the military? I have, protesting is not allowed, period. Should one take it upon themselves to break protocol and protest the consequence will be rapid and severe.
I'll go out on a limb, to suggest the military you once knew, may not be the real military of today.
--The real military of today gave Bradley Manning body mutilating surgeries, so he could call himself Chelsea and make believe he was a woman.
--The military of today is the result of decades, of various social experiments, among them being "affirmative action."
In order to move up in rank, one needed to "buy into" a lot of nonsense. The people at the very top today, authorized Bradley Manning's adventure.
-
I grew up watching the Chiefs with my Dad and whoever was playing the Cowboys. My father sorely hated the NFL, the Cowboys, and Murchison for the Texans leaving Dallas and Tex Schramm's part in the NFL/AFL merger. He and I along with friends would drive to Hillsboro to setup the camping trailer just to watch whatever team was playing here at home against the Cowboys due to blackouts.
My father's best friend and his family were huge Cowboys fan. His daughter's successful dream was to be a cheerleader for them. After every Cowboy's win, the phone would ring sending my father into a cursing blue streak knowing it was his friend calling to rub it in. The first baby gift my father's first grandchild received was from my father's friend -- A Roger Staubach tee.
I thought he might forgive the Cowboys when Jerry Jones bought them, but good ol' Jerry shat upon Tom Landry right out of the gate. My father might not have been a Landry fan, but he respected him and Jones obviously did not. He thought the Cowboys got exactly what they deserved in Jerry Jones.
To make matters worse for my Dad, my brother did not follow in my Dad's footsteps, but loved the Cowboys. He wore the shirts and would roll his eyes at my Dad for not supporting America's Team. I, on the other hand, was his only cohort as I had more sense than to root for the Cowboys in front of my Dad. Instead, I avidly listened to his stories about the evil Cowboys, the dastardly Tex Schramm, the "Kill that SOB!"es when Rodger would Dodge, and the never-ending aspersion's cast upon Lance's sexuality whenever the announcer would claim that Rentzel was in motion; although I didn't truly understand what those aspersions actually meant. I enjoyed every minute of those Sundays spent with my Dad and would give anything if I could hear him hurl a few invectives at the television; although I know that he would not be watching football right now even if he could. He would be livid with the NFL and the SJW players and would be cussing a blue streak about it all. Without a doubt.
Loved it. Love all those family memories. When the Chiefs were still in Dallas (Dallas Texans) they were our team until they left but we immediately became Cowboy fans.
Not affordable any more but my son went to every Cowboy superbowl and my daughter to three.
My son and I are still AVID Cowboy fans who grew to love Jerry Jones (after hating him for several years)
My daughter drifted away a little after we moved to Hawaii and they had losing years.
I hate, hate, hate to see the NFL ruined by ignorance and politics. Colossal ignorance from the dumbest millionaire Black player to the coaches who put up with it to the Commissioner.
The Pittsburgh coach claimed he kept all the players in the clubhouse as a matter of unity, but the idiot publicly criticized the one player, and ex-Army Ranger who refused and went outside to salute his flag ... the one he fought for.
-
Another little anecdote.
My husband was a professional photographer who was sometimes hired to take pictures at corporate events where celebrities were often involved.
He was at an event where Roger Staubach was present and all the executives wanted pictures with Roger, who was always unfailingly gracious. After the executives had their shot, Bill had someone take a picture of him with Roger.
He called my son who was away at school and told him that he was sending him a personally autographed picture of Staubach.
He sent the picture of him with Roger and autographed it, "Best wishes, Dad." My son still treasures that.
-
Sweet story @Emjay thanks for sharing.
-
Loved it. Love all those family memories. When the Chiefs were still in Dallas (Dallas Texans) they were our team until they left but we immediately became Cowboy fans.
Not affordable any more but my son went to every Cowboy superbowl and my daughter to three.
My son and I are still AVID Cowboy fans who grew to love Jerry Jones (after hating him for several years)
My daughter drifted away a little after we moved to Hawaii and they had losing years.
I hate, hate, hate to see the NFL ruined by ignorance and politics. Colossal ignorance from the dumbest millionaire Black player to the coaches who put up with it to the Commissioner.
The Pittsburgh coach claimed he kept all the players in the clubhouse as a matter of unity, but the idiot publicly criticized the one player, and ex-Army Ranger who refused and went outside to salute his flag ... the one he fought for.
Yes, great memories we have. My aunt and uncle bought season tickets for quite a few years. I got to go to quite a few games/. Both my aunt and uncle are gone now. I'm glad they won't have to see what has happened to football as they loved it, the Cowboys, and the Oilers.
I think this could be the beginning of the end of the NFL. I hope not, but it doesn't look good. I know they're working on helmet technology such as MIPS to reduce brain injuries, but Mamas no longer want their babies playing on the field, much less growing up to be Cowboys. If they don't get rid of that SJW Commissioner, I think the NFL is done. He has made mistake after mistake for quite a few years now.
This mess, along with every other stupid thing going on in this country right now, has made me nostalgic for the "good ol' days."
-
Another little anecdote.
My husband was a professional photographer who was sometimes hired to take pictures at corporate events where celebrities were often involved.
He was at an event where Roger Staubach was present and all the executives wanted pictures with Roger, who was always unfailingly gracious. After the executives had their shot, Bill had someone take a picture of him with Roger.
He called my son who was away at school and told him that he was sending him a personally autographed picture of Staubach.
He sent the picture of him with Roger and autographed it, "Best wishes, Dad." My son still treasures that.
What a wonderful story! That is hilarious. I can imagine how much your son treasures that photo. LOL
-
Sweet story @Emjay thanks for sharing.
Yes it was. :). Put a huge smile on my face.
-
Thanx, y'all ... I got a million of them. Hah.
Next time I'll tell y'all about riding up in an elevator with Don Meredith.
Whatever you think of the Cowboys, we've had the greatest, most colorful quarterbacks over the years.
Dandy Don Meredith; Roger Staubach; Troy Aikman, Tony Romo.
And we sure have the most quarterbacks who were also successful broadcasters ... from Don on the classic days of Monday Night Football to Troy, one of the top TV announcers and now Romo has made a dazzling debut that has everyone in awe over his charm and football knowledge.
-
Concerned wrote:
"I wouldn’t be surprised if the next unintended consequence is the ceasing of the anthem at many sporting events."
Doing so would please the left -- it's one of their goals.
But then, their next attack would be upon the display of the American flag itself. Wait and see...
-
TxRadio wrote:
"This is going to get out of control in a hurry. My fear is that it will spread to the military."
Let's hope that IT DOES.
If it happens, it will illustrate those who are disloyal in very short order.
After which they can be quickly removed from service.
-
Concerned wrote:
"I wouldn’t be surprised if the next unintended consequence is the ceasing of the anthem at many sporting events."
Doing so would please the left -- it's one of their goals.
But then, their next attack would be upon the display of the American flag itself. Wait and see...
I agree completely which is why it would be an unfortunate unintended consequence of Trump's actions. Truly sad if it comes to that especially since it was so avoidable.
-
I agree completely which is why it would be an unfortunate unintended consequence of Trump's actions. Truly sad if it comes to that especially since it was so avoidable.
I think it is in our best interests to have rot exposed rather than covered up.
-
I think it is in our best interests to have rot exposed rather than covered up.
We've had our collective heads in the sand for too long, while we allowed the Left to take over Hollywood and Academia and now Sports.
-
We've had our collective heads in the sand for too long, while we allowed the Left to take over Hollywood and Academia and now Sports.
We didn't "allow" it, we couldn't have stopped it. It was a function of social conditions beyond our control. Believe it or not, Hitler was responsible for a great deal of our societal crash. For that matter, some of the blame can be traced back to Woodrow Wilson and his decision to get us into WWI.
-
TxRadio wrote:
"This is going to get out of control in a hurry. My fear is that it will spread to the military."
Let's hope that IT DOES.
If it happens, it will illustrate those who are disloyal in very short order.
After which they can be quickly removed from service.
No it needs to be quashed before it gets that far.
-
No it needs to be quashed before it gets that far.
What exactly...do you suggest? :whistle:
IMO, Donald Trump is the perfect POTUS to deal with this nonsense, if it should ever rise up in the military.
And YOU know it.
-
This whole kneeling for the anthem thing went on all last year (when Obama was still president remember, Appalled?) as a protest against the police, which never made much sense since the national anthem has never been linked in the public's mind to their local police forces.
What Trump just did was take a page out of the Left's playbook. He took that protest of the police (does the guy in the street remember anymore that that was the start of it?) and turned it into a protest against not the police but against the anthem itself, and then he conflated the anthem protest into a protest against the flag, the military, and America itself. And then he baited the MSM/Dems into what he knew would be their knee-jerk reaction--into supporting a protest against America.
Now the Left has found themselves caught in a dilemma with no upside. They either have to continue their support of the anti-America protesters and kiss good-bye all those lofty plans on how they were going to win back the working class vote. Or they can denounce the protesters and piss off the one voting block they absolutely cannot afford to lose if they ever hope to win another election.
Yes, what Trump is doing is cynical and ruthless, (and just the thing the Left used to be so good as doing against us). It's how they've managed to win so much ground in the Culture War. But this time their tactics were used against them, and it is going to cost them bigly.
I'm comfortable agreeing with this opinion.
-
We didn't "allow" it, we couldn't have stopped it. It was a function of social conditions beyond our control. Believe it or not, Hitler was responsible for a great deal of our societal crash. For that matter, some of the blame can be traced back to Woodrow Wilson and his decision to get us into WWI.
Not just his decision to get into WWI, but his re-segregation of the military and a number of other "progressive" items.
-
This is going to get out of control in a hurry. My fear is that it will spread to the military.
This happened last year:
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/07/17/west-point-fist-raise.jpg)
This happened more recently:
(http://cdn.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapone-600x375.jpg)
From the Gateway Pundit: (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/us-army-infantry-officer-supports-kaepernick-communism-will-win-message/)
US Army Infantry Officer Supports Kaepernick With ‘Communism Will Win’ Message. @txradioguy , had you seen this?
-
This happened last year:
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/07/17/west-point-fist-raise.jpg)
This happened more recently:
(http://cdn.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapone-600x375.jpg)
From the Gateway Pundit: (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/us-army-infantry-officer-supports-kaepernick-communism-will-win-message/)
US Army Infantry Officer Supports Kaepernick With ‘Communism Will Win’ Message. @txradioguy , had you seen this?
I knew about the top one and those cadets were punished for that stunt.
I hadn't seen the other two. But I hope the WP system of Cadet punishment was just as swift for them as well.
-
More on the Communist Che-loving West Pointer:
As the discourse rolls on regarding former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick‘s decision to take a knee during the national anthem–and the movement his protest ignited–support for the blacklisted athlete-cum-activist is sprouting up across the country.
Yesterday afternoon, on Twitter, some of that support came from U.S. Army Infantry Officer and U.S. Military Academy at West Point alumnus, Spenser Rapone.
Rapone posts under the handle @punkproletarian and is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Under the hashtag #VeteransForKaepernick, he tweeted an image of himself raising the left clenched-fist of solidarity, support and resistance as well as the message, “Communism Will Win” taped inside of his West Point uniform cap. Also visible in the photograph is Rapone’s Combat Infantryman Badge–meaning he has fought in active ground combat. ...
Lawnewz (https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/communism-will-win-u-s-army-infantry-officer-posts-message-in-support-of-kaepernick/)
-
More on the Communist Che-loving West Pointer:Lawnewz (https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/communism-will-win-u-s-army-infantry-officer-posts-message-in-support-of-kaepernick/)
Wow.
-
Hey Karl you non-magnificiant bastard........
Before making this asinine prediction, did you read about the tanking NFL ratings this weekend?
Trump already won.
-
More on the Communist Che-loving West Pointer:Lawnewz (https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/communism-will-win-u-s-army-infantry-officer-posts-message-in-support-of-kaepernick/)
Thanks for that info. Time to look him up on the Global address list and find out what unit he's in.
-
Rove calls it again \s
Trump ramps up NFL fight, calls for ban on kneeling during anthem (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-sports-nfl-ban/trump-ramps-up-nfl-fight-calls-for-ban-on-kneeling-during-anthem-idUSKCN1C11RV?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59ca66c404d3012dd39deeff&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
-
No it needs to be quashed before it gets that far.
It needs to be quashed immediately, burned beyond recognition and the ground salted.
And this one, I'm gonna blame on Trump. He keeps throwing gasoline on this fire and he's made it about him.
These athletes with million dollar bodies and ten cent brains have no idea exactly what they are protesting but they have a vague idea that it's Trump and the unfairness of being Black.
I can't help them with the problem of being an overpaid football player any more than I can help Ashley Judd for throwing her career away.
But this should have faded away of its own weight and Trump just keeps agitating. Sometimes I think the man is totally insane.
He should be treated like a vampire. During the day, he's a pretty decent guy and has done some good things.
At night, he becomes this tweeting vampire, clasping every insult and slight to his bosom and letting it out with his thumb.
If he could be locked in a dungeon with no electronics at bedtime and only let out at 9 AM, the world and the party would be a better place.
-
@Emjay I would remind you he lit this particular fire in a speech. In broad daylight.
-
And ... to make matters worse, the Dude monitors the Cowboy game last night.
I didn't like it but Jerry Jones came up with a pretty good solution. He wants his Black players to love him, and I think they do, so he had a solidarity kneel with everyone BEFORE the National Anthem. All players then stood for the Anthem.
But the crowd didn't like it. I wish I could have screen grabbed the fans, mostly white good ole boys and girls and contrasted it with the players.
But Trump takes it as a victory for him and woke up twitching. Following is from a Dallas Morning News story:
"President Trump pointed to the booing at Monday night's Dallas Cowboys game as evidence the public is with him in his attacks on professional athletes who don't show enough respect for the flag and the national anthem.
"Great anger," Trump tweeted Tuesday morning, calling the boos at the sight of Cowboys kneeling before their game the "loudest I have ever heard."
And he lauded the team for standing at the national anthem -- and prodded the NFL to ban such demonstrations.
His early morning tweet storm began by highlighting the boos when the Cowboys, including owner Jerry Jones, knelt before their game in Arizona -- a show of solidarity with NFL players who protested Trump's attacks."
Can no one help me get this man into the dungeon at bedtime?
-
@Emjay I would remind you he lit this particular fire in a speech. In broad daylight.
Don't go truthin' on me, baby, I'm on a roll.
-
Don't go truthin' on me, baby, I'm on a roll.
And a good one it is.
This Cowboys thing was a golden opportunity to STFU. In saying anything, he acknowledged that he saw it.
-
And ... to make matters worse, the Dude monitors the Cowboy game last night.
I didn't like it but Jerry Jones came up with a pretty good solution. He wants his Black players to love him, and I think they do, so he had a solidarity kneel with everyone BEFORE the National Anthem. All players then stood for the Anthem.
But the crowd didn't like it. I wish I could have screen grabbed the fans, mostly white good ole boys and girls and contrasted it with the players.
But Trump takes it as a victory for him and woke up twitching. Following is from a Dallas Morning News story:
"President Trump pointed to the booing at Monday night's Dallas Cowboys game as evidence the public is with him in his attacks on professional athletes who don't show enough respect for the flag and the national anthem.
"Great anger," Trump tweeted Tuesday morning, calling the boos at the sight of Cowboys kneeling before their game the "loudest I have ever heard."
And he lauded the team for standing at the national anthem -- and prodded the NFL to ban such demonstrations.
His early morning tweet storm began by highlighting the boos when the Cowboys, including owner Jerry Jones, knelt before their game in Arizona -- a show of solidarity with NFL players who protested Trump's attacks."
Can no one help me get this man into the dungeon at bedtime?
Uh..... that's Melania's job. And Egor's.
-
Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.
-
Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.
I totally agree, along with the rights of people to counter-protest equally peacefully. Like with their wallets and TV viewing habits.
-
I totally agree, along with the rights of people to counter-protest equally peacefully. Like with their wallets and TV viewing habits.
I agree. The market should decide, the government should butt out.
-
Uh..... that's Melania's job. And Egor's.
Melania is doing her job perfectly. She's a beautiful, well-dressed first lady who acts appropriately at all times.
I don't know where Igor is, but we need to find him QUICK.
-
Yeah, Americans across the country have been incensed at what they've watched on TV; one man ends up giving the silenced majority a voice on the matter and he is the one criticized? **nononono*
-
It needs to be quashed immediately, burned beyond recognition and the ground salted.
And this one, I'm gonna blame on Trump. He keeps throwing gasoline on this fire and he's made it about him.
Trump kicked over a log and the vermin that were already there slithered out. Trump didn't create the vermin, he merely exposed where they were hidden.
He has done us a service.
-
Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.
Which they can do on their own time. Nobody tunes into a football game to get the latest political opinions of the players. Mixing up politics with entertainment is a sure fire way to get half your audience to hate you.
They are at work. How many of you could bring your politics to work and shove it in your customers faces, and your bosses would be okay with it?
-
I agree. The market should decide, the government should butt out.
Especially when it comes to military support, funding their stadiums, allowing their anti-trust exemptions, and other ways in which the government has supported this American hating organization.
-
Especially when it comes to military support, funding their stadiums, allowing their anti-trust exemptions, and other ways in which the government has supported this American hating organization.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
-
Trump kicked over a log and the vermin that were already there slithered out. Trump didn't create the vermin, he merely exposed where they were hidden.
He has done us a service.
:amen:
-
:amen:
Not sure what you are talking about.
Pretty sure you're wrong.
-
Not sure what you are talking about.
Pretty sure you're wrong.
:facepalm2:
-
(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/22045858_1673224542688556_4124281572238935238_n.jpg?oh=e144bae6e425c85969c08aebcb564a5f&oe=5A4B3E14)
-
:facepalm2:
Don't do that face on me. Who are the vermin in the post. It really needs to be explained.
-
Especially when it comes to military support, funding their stadiums, allowing their anti-trust exemptions, and other ways in which the government has supported this American hating organization.
The government should not be sponsoring or subsidizing any business like this. Taxpayers, for example, forked over 1.2 Billion for Cowboy's stadium, yet the team is worth almost 3 Billion dollars.
-
I have one more thing to add on this subject.
Trump was gloating because of the boos when the Cowboys knelt.
The crowd only booed because they thought the Cowboys were disrespecting the Anthem. They later realized that every one of the Cowboys stood for the Anthem.
The kneeling thing was just a feel-good gimmick Jerry thought of to support team solidarity while still respecting the flag and the anthem. Pretty Smart. Maybe he should be President.
-
The government should not be sponsoring or subsidizing any business like this. Taxpayers, for example, forked over 1.2 Billion for Cowboy's stadium, yet the team is worth almost 3 Billion dollars.
Well, I agree with you on that, particularly since they built it in Arlington when it should have been downtown.
City Councils think that the money the teams bring to the city are worth it.
It's not federal funds, it's all local. And you didn't pay a penny for the Cowboy stadium unless you life in Tarrant County.
-
I have one more thing to add on this subject.
Trump was gloating because of the boos when the Cowboys knelt.
The crowd only booed because they thought the Cowboys were disrespecting the Anthem. They later realized that every one of the Cowboys stood for the Anthem.
The kneeling thing was just a feel-good gimmick Jerry thought of to support team solidarity while still respecting the flag and the anthem. Pretty Smart. Maybe he should be President.
The kneeling before the Anthem was just trying to have things both ways and it fell flat. I just saw a photo on TV, and all they show is the snapshot of the kneel, not the standing for the Anthem. That's the photo op.
Guts would have been to lead the team in a short prayer.
-
The kneeling before the Anthem was just trying to have things both ways and it fell flat. I just saw a photo on TV, and all they show is the snapshot of the kneel, not the standing for the Anthem. That's the photo op.
Guts would have been to lead the team in a short prayer.
Absolutely right! But you see what happened to Tim Tebow when he tried that!
-
(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/22045858_1673224542688556_4124281572238935238_n.jpg?oh=e144bae6e425c85969c08aebcb564a5f&oe=5A4B3E14)
Yes, the media produced double standard is mind boggling for people that still posses mental facilities.
Some animals are more equal than others.
-
Don't do that face on me. Who are the vermin in the post. It really needs to be explained.
The Vermin are the people who are protesting America while having America's silver spoon in their mouths.
And the Media-Propaganda weapon inciting and supporting them.
-
The government should not be sponsoring or subsidizing any business like this. Taxpayers, for example, forked over 1.2 Billion for Cowboy's stadium, yet the team is worth almost 3 Billion dollars.
No argument from me. The Government should focus on it's mandates, not entertainment.
-
I have one more thing to add on this subject.
Trump was gloating because of the boos when the Cowboys knelt.
The crowd only booed because they thought the Cowboys were disrespecting the Anthem. They later realized that every one of the Cowboys stood for the Anthem.
The kneeling thing was just a feel-good gimmick Jerry thought of to support team solidarity while still respecting the flag and the anthem. Pretty Smart. Maybe he should be President.
Trying to please both sides is "smart"? No. One side is absolutely wrong, and compromising with them is a tactic destined to end in disaster.
He is now seen as gutless, not "smart."
They should have nipped this in the bud when they had the chance by telling team members that if they want to protest, do it on their own time and their own dime. So long as the television broadcasting was going to be supplied by the NFL contracts for their customers at home, they needed to keep their personal politics to themselves and "play ball."
They are there to work, not promulgate their own personal political opinions to a crowd that didn't want to hear them in the first place.
-
And this one, I'm gonna blame on Trump. He keeps throwing gasoline on this fire and he's made it about him.
You have a problem with an American President standing up for the flag/country/vets?
Wow, just wow.
-
You have a problem with an American President standing up for the flag/country/vets?
Wow, just wow.
Come on, JPSB, that's not what she said. :chairbang:
-
The kneeling before the Anthem was just trying to have things both ways and it fell flat.
Yup, trying to serve two masters and it did not work. Jones exposed as a coward and a hypocrite.
@Emjay
Trump exposed Antifa and BLMs, that is the ideology behind the not standing for the national
anthem.
-
Come on, JPSB, that's not what she said. :chairbang:
Well it is pretty darn close.
-
You have a problem with an American President standing up for the flag/country/vets?
Wow, just wow.
I shouldn't even respond to you.
I have a problem with a president who is behaving like an idiot sixth grader taunting another boy.
He has made this thing last much longer than it would have lasted if he had stayed out of it.
Nobody liked that Colin K guy and he can't even get a job.
That protest would have died of its own weight but for Trump's childishness.
It wasn't about patriotism ... it was about a perceived insult to his own vanity.
He did it again this morning ... Please, someone, stop him.
He is ruining his own legacy.
Hey, don't jump on me. I'm one of the ones trying to defend Trump when I can.
In this particular situation, I am sad to say, I can't.
-
I shouldn't even respond to you.
I have a problem with a president who is behaving like an idiot sixth grader taunting another boy.
He has made this thing last much longer than it would have lasted if he had stayed out of it.
Nobody liked that Colin K guy and he can't even get a job.
That protest would have died of its own weight but for Trump's childishness.
It wasn't about patriotism ... it was about a perceived insult to his own vanity.
He did it again this morning ... Please, someone, stop him.
He is ruining his own legacy.
Hey, don't jump on me. I'm one of the ones trying to defend Trump when I can.
In this particular situation, I am sad to say, I can't.
Nope!
My money says the NFL will have adopted a new rule to be enforced BEFORE Thursday Night Football games. They can't go through another week of this, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING the debate/issue.
Teams enforce rules all the time. Dress shirt and ties with jacket when traveling. Practice times. Meetings.
If you're late or break the rules, you're suspended.
President Trump can't lose on this one.
He knows exactly what he's doing here.
A guy who wiped the floor with 16 'establishment' candidates and won the Presidency. On his FIRST attempt.
What the hell are WE gonna tell HIM?? *****rollingeyes*****
-
No argument from me. The Government should focus on it's mandates, not entertainment.
The problem is that "Entertainment" is gained too much influence in this country. More people today get their political views from celebrities and by watching shows like "Ellen" and the late night talk shows.
-
Nope!
My money says the NFL will have adopted a new rule to be enforced BEFORE Thursday Night Football games. They can't go through another week of this, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING the debate/issue.
Teams enforce rules all the time. Dress shirt and ties with jacket when traveling. Practice times. Meetings.
If you're late or break the rules, you're suspended.
President Trump can't lose on this one.
He knows exactly what he's doing here.
A guy who wiped the floor with 16 'establishment' candidates and won the Presidency. On his FIRST attempt.
What the hell are WE gonna tell HIM?? *****rollingeyes*****
The don't need to adopt any new rules as they already have them!
NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.
The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest.
The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem because it is not part of any game. But the game operations manual does.
Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."
So, as it turns out, the NFL is just another organization which cannot abide by or enforce it's own rules. Much like the current Republican Party!
-
Trump exposed Antifa and BLMs, that is the ideology behind the not standing for the national
anthem.
BLM was well established long before Trump came along and anyone paying attention already knew what they were up to.
Antifa is just the OWS idiots who decided to don masks so they wouldn't be recognized as Trust Fund babies like they were before.
-
It just dawned on me....this is a perfect scenario for Condi Rice to replace Roger Goodell as NFL Commissioner.
Being black, and a woman, she can defuse this nonsense and set rules that she will and can enforce.
We'd be back to 'normal' ...whatever the heck that is today.
-
Thanks for that info. Time to look him up on the Global address list and find out what unit he's in.
@mountaineer @Sanguine
Found him. Sending appropriate emails now to give the proper individuals the heads up.
-
It just dawned on me....this is a perfect scenario for Condi Rice to replace Roger Goodell as NFL Commissioner.
Being black, and a woman, she can defuse this nonsense and set rules that she will and can enforce.
We'd be back to 'normal' ...whatever the heck that is today.
Genius! Interesting proposal. Wonder if she’s up for it?
-
I shouldn't even respond to you.
I have a problem with a president who is behaving like an idiot sixth grader taunting another boy.
But you don't seem to have a problem with an entire Media empire that does the same and worse, routinely, every single day to conservative Americans.
You do not seem to protest the mockery the entertainment "elites" heap on us daily, you don't object to the nasty snide characterizations of us as racist "deplorables", homophobes and misogynists. All your bile seems to be focused on the guy who is actually ramming this stuff back down their throats and making them choke on it.
A dignified man cannot combat the monster we face. Mitt Romney was toast out of the gate, and he did not even realize it. "Binders full of women" was an innocuous comment meant to show something positive about his relationship with women, but the Media-Weapon turned it into a source of mockery and defamation against him.
We need an ogre. Trump isn't mean enough or nasty enough to suit my tastes. I wish he would go further and really anger the left. I want them so screaming mad they will over extend themselves, as he has apparently manage to accomplish with the NFL.
I want him to turn the left into screeching ranting machines that frighten the American voter, because they need to be frightened of these bastards that control the airwaves, and now most of the internet.
We need these confrontations, and we need them now, before the left can consolidate more power, we need to get them to expose their nasty violent nature, and Trump is pushing all the right buttons. I just wish he would push more of them and harder.
-
Nope!
My money says the NFL will have adopted a new rule to be enforced BEFORE Thursday Night Football games. They can't go through another week of this, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING the debate/issue.
Teams enforce rules all the time. Dress shirt and ties with jacket when traveling. Practice times. Meetings.
If you're late or break the rules, you're suspended.
President Trump can't lose on this one.
He knows exactly what he's doing here.
A guy who wiped the floor with 16 'establishment' candidates and won the Presidency. On his FIRST attempt.
What the hell are WE gonna tell HIM?? *****rollingeyes*****
For some reason that "D@mned fool" just keeps on winning. I've never seen such a lucky man!
-
Thanks for that info. Time to look him up on the Global address list and find out what unit he's in.
That seems like a variant on "doxing," which is frowned upon.
In my era, his fellow classmates might have beat the living crap out of him, hoping to knock sense into him, or run him out of the military service.
-
The problem is that "Entertainment" is gained too much influence in this country. More people today get their political views from celebrities and by watching shows like "Ellen" and the late night talk shows.
I preach about this all the time. The modern system has turned the intent of the founders on it's head. The whole point of "freedom of speech" was to let dissenting sides air their views and then allow the public to decide which of them were right.
With the modern monopoly on broadcasting, only the left gets to air it's views with any degree of notice by the voting public. The right is effectively frozen out of the access to the public system.
The left gets to use freedom of speech for the purpose for which it was intended. The right does not because the means to reach significant portions of the public are completely controlled by the left.
-
Don't do that face on me. Who are the vermin in the post. It really needs to be explained.
The Face was in response to this:
Not sure what you are talking about.
Pretty sure you're wrong.
I don't know what to make of it. You don't know what he's talking about, yet you're pretty sure he's wrong?
:facepalm2: :facepalm2:
-
Genius! Interesting proposal. Wonder if she’s up for it?
I agree. Fight fire with fire.
-
That seems like a variant on "doxing," which is frowned upon.
Hardly. I have not put out in public his name, address, unit info work or personal phone numbers or any way to contact his chain of command.
Everything has been communicated properly through military channels.
You're gonna have to work harder than that to try and catch me in a "gotcha moment". **nononono*
Part of my job entails exactly what I did. Which was to notify the Division PAO office with a link to what he's doing as well as notifying the Sergeant major for Public Affairs at the Pentagon. There are rules about what soldiers can and can't post and what they can and can't say on social media. Groups they are not allowed to associate with...especially in uniform.
He's in direct violation of the UCMJ and a whole host of other regs.
One of the questions they ask you on your entrance paperwork into the military...is something along the lines of..."Are you now or have you ever been a member of an organization whose stated goals is the dissolution of the government of the United States?"
He lied if he checked no. If he'd answered yes he wouldn't have been admitted.
Then there's the fact that as a Commissioned Officer he's violating his oath.
-
That seems like a variant on "doxing," which is frowned upon.
In my era, his fellow classmates might have beat the living crap out of him, hoping to knock sense into him, or run him out of the military service.
I don't know. When I think of doxxing, I think of looking up hard to find information on somebody (by tracing n IP address, for example), and using it to send mobs to their house to scare any children who may be in the living room. This is a case of someone who's been very, very public with his actions, and they reflect poorly on every person serving in the Army. Nothing wrong with a fellow service member so besmirched contacting the fellow's CO to point it out.
-
It just dawned on me....this is a perfect scenario for Condi Rice to replace Roger Goodell as NFL Commissioner.
Being black, and a woman, she can defuse this nonsense and set rules that she will and can enforce.
We'd be back to 'normal' ...whatever the heck that is today.
It's no good, @DCPatriot. Condi's "Black Card" and "Female Card" were canceled when she went to work for Dubya. :shrug:
-
Hardly. I have not put out in public his name, address, unit info work or personal phone numbers or any way to contact his chain of command.
Everything has been communicated properly through military channels.
You're gonna have to work harder than that to try and catch me in a "gotcha moment". **nononono*
Part of my job entails exactly what I did. Which was to notify the Division PAO office with a link to what he's doing as well as notifying the Sergeant major for Public Affairs at the Pentagon. There are rules about what soldiers can and can't post and what they can and can't say on social media. Groups they are not allowed to associate with...especially in uniform.
He's in direct violation of the UCMJ and a whole host of other regs.
One of the questions they ask you on your entrance paperwork into the military...is something along the lines of..."Are you now or have you ever been a member of an organization whose stated goals is the dissolution of the government of the United States?"
He lied if he checked no. If he'd answered yes he wouldn't have been admitted.
Then there's the fact that as a Commissioned Officer he's violating his oath.
1. Not trying to "gotcha," you. Merely an observation about the similarity, WITHOUT knowing it was in your work related duty (i.e. need to know).
2. I left my military service over 45 years ago. I held a Secret Clearance (not Top Secret). My duties involved being proficient to research a wide range of regulations.
If what you claim is correct, why is he still in uniform, instead of in prison? Leavenworth has a spot waiting. (a college friend of mine served as commander of Leavenworth, on his final assignment after 37 yrs. service, one LTG James Riley--that is public info.)
I cannot imagine a subordinate officer or enlisted person that would trust him, in service defending our country. I cannot imagine the military would want him around, for one day longer than it takes to drum him out.
-
I shouldn't even respond to you.
And here I though we were buddies. Oh well
Trump is exposing the not so hidden agenda or cowardice of the "entertainment industry" (in this case the NFL) that is pushing anti-American cultural Marxism. I am overjoyed to see a US president FINALLY take them on. And he is winning. You're just being a typical female that hates to see conflict. Well conflict is the only way to deal with people that want you (yes you too @Emjay) dead.
-
Rove is SO seventeen years ago. He is way past his expiration date.
-
This is awkward. NFL ratings have started to go back up again after the President got involved.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,283004.0.html
They were declining before that.
-
Rove is SO seventeen years ago. He is way past his expiration date.
I just love how Rove is ALWAYS wrong. Anyone that has paid attention to Trump knows that Trump does not back down. He doubles down.
-
This is awkward. NFL ratings have started to go back up again after the President got involved.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,283004.0.html
They were declining before that.
Don't believe it.
-
I just love how Rove is ALWAYS wrong. Anyone that has paid attention to Trump knows that Trump does not back down. He doubles down.
True on both counts, though they are disconnected truths. Rove is ALWAYS wrong regardless of Trump. I guess give him credit for never giving up. Trump not only doubles down, he plays all sides to hedge his bets. Then he is the first one to step out and claim victory no matter how it turns out.
-
Don't believe it.
Why not? Logically speaking, people tune in for car wrecks. This issue went from a handful of players protesting to it being a national event that even the President talks and tweets about. The NFL received more free publicity over the past week than they paid for season to date.
Read Trump's The Art of the Deal, the chapter on 'There is no such thing as bad publicity'. Even he believes that bad or negative news is good as long as they are talking about you: It doesn't matter what they say about you, just that they are talking about you...
The President gave the NFL a gift, priceless free publicity.
-
And here I though we were buddies. Oh well
Trump is exposing the not so hidden agenda or cowardice of the "entertainment industry" (in this case the NFL) that is pushing anti-American cultural Marxism. I am overjoyed to see a US president FINALLY take them on. And he is winning. You're just being a typical female that hates to see conflict. Well conflict is the only way to deal with people that want you (yes you too @Emjay) dead.
We are buddies and don't ever forget it.
And don't ever call me a typical female. *****rollingeyes*****
I don't know who wants me dead but I hope you shoot them before they can get me.
Yes, I'm totally fed up with Blacks right now. Not all Blacks, of course, but the ones who remain ignorant and go around with the BLM gig when there's not one right that they are currently denied.
And it's particularly annoying when overpaid actors, singers and football player do it.
They are totally ignorant of the fact that without a white audience, they would be working at McDonald's ... if they were smart enough.
But I think saying that 'they want us dead' is a little over the top.
These athletes are already feeling the pinch when sponsors fire them. Remember, where Budweiser goes, America goes. And we know who drinks Bud (besides me).
I'm just not sure Trump is doing us any favors by tweeting about this.
-
We are buddies and don't ever forget it. 888high58888
And don't ever call me a typical female. *****rollingeyes***** 8888huh
I don't know who wants me dead but I hope you shoot them before they can get me. That is the plan
I'm just not sure Trump is doing us any favors by tweeting about this. He is.
-
Trump not only doubles down, he plays all sides to hedge his bets. Then he is the first one to step out and claim victory no matter how it turns out.
Well yeah, and I find that worry some.
-
This is awkward. NFL ratings have started to go back up again after the President got involved.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,283004.0.html
They were declining before that.
I'm betting that a lot of people tuned in to see what the Cowboys were going to do. Now that they know, I think you will see a precipitous decline.
-
I'm betting that a lot of people tuned in to see what the Cowboys were going to do. Now that they know, I think you will see a precipitous decline.
It depends. If they start to decline again or go up will be if they stay the headline in the news. IE, will Trump keep giving them free publicity?
Like I said, people tune in to car crashes.
-
It depends. If they start to decline again or go up will be if they stay the headline in the news. IE, will Trump keep giving them free publicity?
Like I said, people tune in to car crashes.
Well he doubled down on his rants about it today...so I'm guess he will keep giving them the free publicity they certainly don't deserve.
-
It depends. If they start to decline again or go up will be if they stay the headline in the news. IE, will Trump keep giving them free publicity?
Like I said, people tune in to car crashes.
I don't think DirecTV Allows Some NFL Refunds After Anthem Controversy (https://www.wsj.com/articles/directv-allows-some-nfl-refunds-after-anthem-controversy-1506453159) if people were not turning off the NFL.
-
I don't think DirecTV Allows Some NFL Refunds After Anthem Controversy (https://www.wsj.com/articles/directv-allows-some-nfl-refunds-after-anthem-controversy-1506453159) if people were not turning off the NFL.
That's based on tweets from 3 people who got refunds, compared to how many more who tuned in because it was made a national controversy?
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/directv-allowing-customers-to-claim-refund-on-nfl-sunday-ticket-customers-say
-
This is awkward. NFL ratings have started to go back up again after the President got involved.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,283004.0.html
They were declining before that.
People always slow down to view a trainwreck.
-
People always slow down to view a trainwreck.
Yep
-
1. Not trying to "gotcha," you. Merely an observation about the similarity, WITHOUT knowing it was in your work related duty (i.e. need to know).
@truth_seeker
Ok cool. Sorry if I overreacted a bit...it felt like a gotcha to me. Now I know it wasn't. And yes because of previous doxxing against me I tend to not really talk a lot about what I do.
2. I left my military service over 45 years ago. I held a Secret Clearance (not Top Secret). My duties involved being proficient to research a wide range of regulations.
Same here.
If what you claim is correct, why is he still in uniform, instead of in prison? Leavenworth has a spot waiting. (a college friend of mine served as commander of Leavenworth, on his final assignment after 37 yrs. service, one LTG James Riley--that is public info.)
From what I've been able to find out hes in the middle of Ranger School right now. His CIB was from his enlisted time and he went to the Prep School before entering West Point.
I imagine there are a lot of unpleasant things awaiting him now that this story is beginning to go viral. If his RTB cadre know...well...lets just say it sucks to be him.
I cannot imagine a subordinate officer or enlisted person that would trust him, in service defending our country. I cannot imagine the military would want him around, for one day longer than it takes to drum him out.
Well we're talking about the same U.S. Army...as much as I love it...that let Bradley Manning...Bowe Berghdal and Hassan Nidal join and serve.
-
It depends. If they start to decline again or go up will be if they stay the headline in the news. IE, will Trump keep giving them free publicity?
Like I said, people tune in to car crashes.
I think there may be a difference in that people may tune in once to see the protest, but will gawk at any car crash.
-
@truth_seeker
Ok cool. Sorry if I overreacted a bit...it felt like a gotcha to me. Now I know it wasn't. And yes because of previous doxxing against me I tend to not really talk a lot about what I do.
Same here.
From what I've been able to find out hes in the middle of Ranger School right now. His CIB was from his enlisted time and he went to the Prep School before entering West Point.
I imagine there are a lot of unpleasant things awaiting him now that this story is beginning to go viral. If his RTB cadre know...well...lets just say it sucks to be him.
Well we're talking about the same U.S. Army...as much as I love it...that let Bradley Manning...Bowe Berghdal and Hassan Nidal join and serve.
Same here. I learned the hard way what putting too much personal information on a forum will get one. I cringe now when I see it by others.
-
I shouldn't even respond to you.
I have a problem with a president who is behaving like an idiot sixth grader taunting another boy.
He has made this thing last much longer than it would have lasted if he had stayed out of it.
Nobody liked that Colin K guy and he can't even get a job.
That protest would have died of its own weight but for Trump's childishness.
It wasn't about patriotism ... it was about a perceived insult to his own vanity.
He did it again this morning ... Please, someone, stop him.
He is ruining his own legacy.
Hey, don't jump on me. I'm one of the ones trying to defend Trump when I can.
In this particular situation, I am sad to say, I can't.
All of the above is so obviously true. He made a dying, minor situation so much worse. He's inflamed it which, I believe, was intention. Why he and his supporters can't see it's not the country's best interest to inflame this or in his best to do this is beyond me. He's shrinking his 46% not increasing it. Sad.
-
I'm betting that a lot of people tuned in to see what the Cowboys were going to do. Now that they know, I think you will see a precipitous decline.
Wrong. People tuned in to the Cowboy game because they always do. The Cowboys have been the biggest draw in the NFL for ages, even when they were losing. They greatly increased the viewership from the previous Monday.
-
All of the above is so obviously true. He made a dying, minor situation so much worse. He's inflamed it which, I believe, was intention. Why he and his supporters can't see it's not the country's best interest to inflame this or in his best to do this is beyond me. He's shrinking his 46% not increasing it. Sad.
Until Trump's rash comments, the NFL was left with only a few numbskulls sitting, with the whole thing begining to fade from sports news. Trump poured gas on dieing embers and set a hellfire blaze, affecting the whole NFL even those who have always stood. Because of him they all are rallying around the sitters.
Football is the only sport I enjoy watching. We plan our Sunday afternoons around it, including what food we will eat. I dont want anyone destroying what I hold dear. Not the players, not the league, and not the White House. Give me my Football back without the silly politics.
-
Until Trump's rash comments, the NFL was left with only a few numbskulls sitting, with the whole thing begining to fade from sports news. Trump poured gas on dieing embers and set a hellfire blaze, affecting the whole NFL even those who have always stood. Because of him they all are rallying around the sitters.
Football is the only sport I enjoy watching. We plan our Sunday afternoons around it, including what food we will eat. I dont want anyone destroying what I hold dear. Not the players, not the league, and not the White House. Give me my Football back without the silly politics.
"Give me my Football back without the silly politics."
I'm afraid that ship has sailed.
-
Diogenes wrote:
"I want him to turn the left into screeching ranting machines that frighten the American voter, because they need to be frightened of these bastards that control the airwaves, and now most of the internet.
We need these confrontations, and we need them now, before the left can consolidate more power, we need to get them to expose their nasty violent nature, and Trump is pushing all the right buttons. I just wish he would push more of them and harder."
Right on, sir, for an excellent post.
I don't mind politics that are profane, down, and dirty.
That's how you win.
The left has known this for ... forEVER.
That's why they've won so much territory.
It's time to stop worrying about "means" and "ends", and play to win.
And drive them down into the dried mud of history.
-
Until Trump's rash comments, the NFL was left with only a few numbskulls sitting, with the whole thing begining to fade from sports news. Trump poured gas on dieing embers and set a hellfire blaze, affecting the whole NFL even those who have always stood. Because of him they all are rallying around the sitters.
Football is the only sport I enjoy watching. We plan our Sunday afternoons around it, including what food we will eat. I dont want anyone destroying what I hold dear. Not the players, not the league, and not the White House. Give me my Football back without the silly politics.
It's too late, the game has been corrupted by politics. The politicization of every aspect of life in the United States is just beginning.
-
Until Trump's rash comments, the NFL was left with only a few numbskulls sitting, with the whole thing begining to fade from sports news. Trump poured gas on dieing embers and set a hellfire blaze, affecting the whole NFL even those who have always stood. Because of him they all are rallying around the sitters.
Football is the only sport I enjoy watching. We plan our Sunday afternoons around it, including what food we will eat. I dont want anyone destroying what I hold dear. Not the players, not the league, and not the White House. Give me my Football back without the silly politics.
I agree except for the comment about the White House. Pres. Trump only pointed out the disrespect for the flag and what it stands for. The NFL could have come out and required all the players and coaches to abide by their existing rules which call for all employees to stand with their helmets in their left hand and right hand on their heart. Instead the NFL employers decided the better thing to do was to show even more disrespect to our flag and all those who sacrificed so much defending it.
I was a lifelong football fan. It's going to be a hard pattern to break, but I will fill my time with something else. I'm done with them.
-
I was a lifelong football fan. It's going to be a hard pattern to break, but I will fill my time with something else. I'm done with them.
It's easier than you think.
-
It's easier than you think.
Yes, turns out it is.
-
All of the above is so obviously true. He made a dying, minor situation so much worse. He's inflamed it which, I believe, was intention. Why he and his supporters can't see it's not the country's best interest to inflame this or in his best to do this is beyond me. He's shrinking his 46% not increasing it. Sad.
He's doing it wrong. Everyone knows that this isn't the way to win a campaign. Even someone who knows how to run a campaign is telling him that he's doing it wrong. I just read Hillary Clinton pointing out how this is a big mistake for him.
Why that D@mned fool just can't do anything right, and if he wasn't so darned lucky, he wouldn't win so often!
:)
-
Diogenes wrote:
"I want him to turn the left into screeching ranting machines that frighten the American voter, because they need to be frightened of these bastards that control the airwaves, and now most of the internet.
We need these confrontations, and we need them now, before the left can consolidate more power, we need to get them to expose their nasty violent nature, and Trump is pushing all the right buttons. I just wish he would push more of them and harder."
Right on, sir, for an excellent post.
I don't mind politics that are profane, down, and dirty.
That's how you win.
The left has known this for ... forEVER.
That's why they've won so much territory.
It's time to stop worrying about "means" and "ends", and play to win.
And drive them down into the dried mud of history.
And listen to the lamentations of their women!
-
Until Trump's rash comments, the NFL was left with only a few numbskulls sitting, with the whole thing begining to fade from sports news. Trump poured gas on dieing embers and set a hellfire blaze, affecting the whole NFL even those who have always stood. Because of him they all are rallying around the sitters.
Football is the only sport I enjoy watching. We plan our Sunday afternoons around it, including what food we will eat. I dont want anyone destroying what I hold dear. Not the players, not the league, and not the White House. Give me my Football back without the silly politics.
And who introduced the silly politics into it? Also who didn't stop it before it got out of hand?
Maybe people who are in business to provide a product should not deliberately alienate half or more of their customer base?
-
It's easier than you think.
I'm sure your right. It's that first step that is tough, but they've already pushed me out the door. I sure as heck am not going to be the "battered wife" who keeps going back for more.
-
And who introduced the silly politics into it? Also who didn't stop it before it got out of hand?
Maybe people who are in business to provide a product should not deliberately alienate half or more of their customer base?
I'm thinking they shouldn't need our tax dollars to subsidize their business. They certainly don't need us.
-
<snip>
A dignified man cannot combat the monster we face. Mitt Romney was toast out of the gate, and he did not even realize it. "Binders full of women" was an innocuous comment meant to show something positive about his relationship with women, but the Media-Weapon turned it into a source of mockery and defamation against him.
We need an ogre. Trump isn't mean enough or nasty enough to suit my tastes. I wish he would go further and really anger the left. I want them so screaming mad they will over extend themselves, as he has apparently manage to accomplish with the NFL.
I want him to turn the left into screeching ranting machines that frighten the American voter, because they need to be frightened of these bastards that control the airwaves, and now most of the internet.
We need these confrontations, and we need them now, before the left can consolidate more power, we need to get them to expose their nasty violent nature, and Trump is pushing all the right buttons. I just wish he would push more of them and harder.
My feelings exactly, but you express it brilliantly!
So glad you've jumped back in the pool, @DiogenesLamp ! :beer:
-
Right on, sir, for an excellent post.
I don't mind politics that are profane, down, and dirty.
That's how you win.
The left has known this for ... forEVER.
That's why they've won so much territory.
It's time to stop worrying about "means" and "ends", and play to win.
And drive them down into the dried mud of history.
:howlin: :howlin: :howlin:
Do you make sauce? ^-^
-
Diogenes wrote:
"I want him to turn the left into screeching ranting machines that frighten the American voter, because they need to be frightened of these bastards that control the airwaves, and now most of the internet.
We need these confrontations, and we need them now, before the left can consolidate more power, we need to get them to expose their nasty violent nature, and Trump is pushing all the right buttons. I just wish he would push more of them and harder."
Right on, sir, for an excellent post.
I don't mind politics that are profane, down, and dirty.
That's how you win.
The left has known this for ... forEVER.
That's why they've won so much territory.
It's time to stop worrying about "means" and "ends", and play to win.
And drive them down into the dried mud of history.
Exactly. During the time of George HW Bush, I was constantly furious with him because it seemed that nobody could make the dim bulb aware that his Democrat "buddies" were not his friend, and they were trying to stab him in the back every chance they got.
Well they finally did it, and that stupid clod never saw it coming.
As was said of him at the time, George HW Bush not only didn't know where the battle lines were, he didn't even realize he was in a war.
We are in a war. We should be (metaphorically) firebombing the concentrated strength of our enemies. We should be removing tax breaks from the Entertainment industries, investigating their phony accounting system, investigating their sexual abuse scandals, especially those involving Children.
We should be attacking the Universities gouged up funding systems, we should be attacking their money piles, we should be investigating them for suppression of civil rights, and we should be looking at them for any other possible law breaking that they are engaging in.
We should abolish the stupid education department that that idiot Jimmy Carter created. We should be hammering corporate monopolies like Google, Face book, Twitter, the Networks, and yes, the NFL.
We should be hurting them financially in any manner of which we can think.
Sanctuary cities need a whole lot of Federal misery coming down on them.
We should be at war with the funding, the voter fraud, and the propaganda spreading sources of the left, and we should be trying to hurt them.
We are in a target rich environment. All we need are people with the guts to go after the targets.
And for those of you who want to pipe up about "small government conservatives", I can think of no better way to convince Big Government Liberals of the folly of their thinking than by showing them exactly why we want to restrict and constrain government power.
Put them on the receiving end of unpleasant government scrutiny and punishment, and they will quickly decide that perhaps they like a smaller government after all!
-
And listen to the lamentations of their women!
You mean their effeminate males. On their side of the spectrum, many of the women are more manly than their men. :)
-
I'm thinking they shouldn't need our tax dollars to subsidize their business. They certainly don't need us.
Exactly. Biting the hand that feeds you should result in getting the back of it.
-
I'm betting that a lot of people tuned in to see what the Cowboys were going to do. Now that they know, I think you will see a precipitous decline.
Nope. From the Ft. Worth Star Telegram.
"DALLAS COWBOYS
NFL ratings dip? Um, not for the Dallas Cowboys
BY STEFAN STEVENSON
The Dallas Cowboys continue to be a television ratings bonanza despite the current controversy surrounding the NFL at the moment.
The Cowboys’ Monday Night Football game against the Arizona Cardinals on ESPN was the second-highest MNF telecast over the last two seasons. The only game with more viewers was the Cowboys-Lions game on Dec. 26, 2016, which drew 18.6 million.
Monday’s game averaged 13.8 million viewers, according to Nielsen. That’s a 71 percent increase year-over-year on Week 3. ESPN says that average audience is likely to grow by 8 percent when streaming and out out-of-home audiences are included, using their new Nielsen Total Audience measurement.
-
My feelings exactly, but you express it brilliantly!
So glad you've jumped back in the pool, @DiogenesLamp ! :beer:
Well thank you! I think we all should try for a little Kurt Schlichter style in our commentary. It's way past time we stopped being unoffensive to these bastards and start matching them elbow for elbow.
One of the surest ways to prevent a fight is to make sure everyone knows they are going to get one if they F*** with you. We need to make the left side of the spectrum understand that our days of ignoring and indulging them are over, and now that they have gotten our attention, they aren't going to like it.
-
Jerry Jones had a plan to combine player unity with respect for the flag and the anthem. It worked.
Jerry Jones came up with Cowboys’ pre-anthem plan to link arms, take a knee
BY CLARENCE E. HILL JR.
chill@star-telegram.com
LINKEDIN
SEPTEMBER 26, 2017 4:00 PM
GLENDALE, ARIZ.
That Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is a unifier and a consensus builder was never more evident than Monday night.
It was Jones who came up with the idea for the Cowboys’ organized, coordinated and unified response to President Donald Trump’s criticism of NFL players for protesting racial inequality during the national anthem.
Jones, who donated $1 million through one of his companies to Trump’s inaugural committee, refused to call out the president for his controversial remarks, but took pride in how the team handled the situation that ultimately was his creation.
Excerpted. More at http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article175515171.html
Mod note: Please excerpt your articles and provide a link, Emjay
-
Well thank you! I think we all should try for a little Kurt Schlichter style in our commentary. It's way past time we stopped being unoffensive to these bastards and start matching them elbow for elbow.
One of the surest ways to prevent a fight is to make sure everyone knows they are going to get one if they F*** with you. We need to make the left side of the spectrum understand that our days of ignoring and indulging them are over, and now that they have gotten our attention, they aren't going to like it.
:beer: HOORAH!
-
Nope. From the Ft. Worth Star Telegram.
Now I would normally stop you right there, but out of respect for you , i'll continue reading.
"DALLAS COWBOYS
NFL ratings dip? Um, not for the Dallas Cowboys
BY STEFAN STEVENSON
The Dallas Cowboys continue to be a television ratings bonanza despite the current controversy surrounding the NFL at the moment.
The Cowboys’ Monday Night Football game against the Arizona Cardinals on ESPN was the second-highest MNF telecast over the last two seasons. The only game with more viewers was the Cowboys-Lions game on Dec. 26, 2016, which drew 18.6 million.
Monday’s game averaged 13.8 million viewers, according to Nielsen. That’s a 71 percent increase year-over-year on Week 3. ESPN says that average audience is likely to grow by 8 percent when streaming and out out-of-home audiences are included, using their new Nielsen Total Audience measurement.
Yeah, I wonder if they measured how long the "audience" watched. I'm suspecting they did something like "page hits" and not an actual in depth analysis of whether these were looky lou visitors wanting to see how the protest was going to go down, or real viewers.
We know they are going to say these are real viewers because they want to push that narrative. We shall see within a week or so if there is anything to this claim, but since it is ESPN and the Ft. Worth Star Telegram, I suspect it's massaged and misleading information pretending to be a news story.
-
Jerry Jones had a plan to combine player unity with respect for the flag and the anthem. It worked.
So why were the fans at the stadium booing them?
Star Telegram Liberal Spin doctors at work here.
-
Buck the Foys and Jerry Jones, bunch of whiners that they are and have been since they fired Tom Landry.
-
And who introduced the silly politics into it? Also who didn't stop it before it got out of hand?
Maybe people who are in business to provide a product should not deliberately alienate half or more of their customer base?
My credit union recently sent out an email with a link advocating for support for credit unions. I generally like credit unions over banks, but the link name and logo? Stronger Together. I pointed out that using the logo for a failed campaign and the title of a failed book may not be the best way to advocate.
-
So why were the fans at the stadium booing them?
Star Telegram Liberal Spin doctors at work here.
Yeah, it's pretty nauseating....
-
Yeah, it's pretty nauseating....
The fans were booing because they did not know what was going on. They thought the Cowboys were kneeling during the anthem.
When the Cowboys stood up and respected the flag and the anthem as they've always done, the booing stopped.
-
Buck the Foys and Jerry Jones, bunch of whiners that they are and have been since they fired Tom Landry.
How the heck long can you hold a grudge? I only held it about Landry for 3 or 4 years.
I'm obviously a better person.
-
Now I would normally stop you right there, but out of respect for you , i'll continue reading.
Yeah, I wonder if they measured how long the "audience" watched. I'm suspecting they did something like "page hits" and not an actual in depth analysis of whether these were looky lou visitors wanting to see how the protest was going to go down, or real viewers.
We know they are going to say these are real viewers because they want to push that narrative. We shall see within a week or so if there is anything to this claim, but since it is ESPN and the Ft. Worth Star Telegram, I suspect it's massaged and misleading information pretending to be a news story.
Look, if you want to twist stuff around like pretzels to try and claim the Cowboy game didn't get big ratings, well, I guess you can.
But they did and they always do.
-
I'm sure your right. It's that first step that is tough, but they've already pushed me out the door. I sure as heck am not going to be the "battered wife" who keeps going back for more.
If you want to deprive yourself of something you enjoyed, that's your privilege.
But don't try to make it an act of nobility. Sheesh.
I like football and baseball and will watch them as long as they play them.
This is a stupid fad, made stupider by our president who won't shut up.
-
How the heck long can you hold a grudge? I only held it about Landry for 3 or 4 years.
I'm obviously a better person.
I'm still pizzed cause the colorized some of the Wizard of Oz and that happened before you were born, so show some respect for your Elders, damit @Emjay.
-
This is a stupid fad, made stupider by our president who won't shut up.
@Emjay
Tell that to them. Tell them that honoring the vets that died for this country is a "stupid fad".
(https://i.redd.it/pcycnhez5rnz.jpg)
(https://assets.change.org/photos/2/py/wr/UMPywRcRaJUtSyE-800x450-noPad.jpg)
(https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I000045eHFAegfOQ/fit=1000x750/20120528011.jpg)
-
As was said of him at the time, George HW Bush not only didn't know where the battle lines were, he didn't even realize he was in a war.
@DiogenesLamp
Well there was your first mistake. George was on the other side. Granting he was dim witted tool and controlled by daddy Bush, but there is absolutely no doubt W sided with the globalist uniparty. I tried to warn everyone but no one listened. Steve Forbes was a MUCH better choice. Hell even Pat B was a better choice.
Al Gore? No freakin way, but seeing all the damage W did, if I could go back to 2000 I'd think long and hard about voting W.
-
I voted for Forbes...
-
I voted for Forbes...
Yipee! You my breifer friend are one smart lady/gentleman.
I even sent him 50 bucks, I felt foolish sending a multi millionaire money but I did. Love
Forbes wish Trump would put him on Trumps' economic team.
-
I sent him money and bought his book...
Once you give a political donation they hound you for more for seeming forever...
-
The fans were booing because they did not know what was going on. They thought the Cowboys were kneeling during the anthem.
When the Cowboys stood up and respected the flag and the anthem as they've always done, the booing stopped.
But the point remains that the fans did not like the kneeling, and that's why they booed. They recognized that action as a continuation of the protests against the Anthem.
That they stopped booing does not constitute a "mulligan" for the players who did the wrong thing first.
-
Look, if you want to twist stuff around like pretzels to try and claim the Cowboy game didn't get big ratings, well, I guess you can.
But they did and they always do.
You are twisting stuff around by claiming that is my point. My point is that I don't know if their ratings were the result of people tuning in to see how they were going to handle the protest, or if they were actual fans tuning in to watch the game.
I think it is foolish to dismiss the anthem protest controversy on the basis of what Liberal news sources claim.
-
This is a stupid fad, made stupider by our president who won't shut up.
He is not the only one who will not shut up. It's been something like 10 months since the election, and there are still people who engage in incessant bitching about Trump.
What is the "stupid fad" is the notion that people can piss on their audiences and disrespect their country, and nobody has the guts to bitchslap them in the face for doing it.
We get enough of this sh*t from the entertainment media people, but nobody expected football teams to put meaningless political statements ahead of their interests in keeping an audience.
They can't win this. They will either have to keep kneeling indefinitely (and thereby continuously pissing off more and more of their blue collar fans) or they will have to stop, and that will make them appear to have capitulated.
If I were Trump, I would make it clear that the moment they stopped kneeling, I was going to declare victory in the dispute. This would antagonize them to double down, and that is exactly what needs to happen so that these bastards can destroy their industry.
Keep needling them Trump! Turn these arrogant millionaires into impoverished ditch diggers! Teach them some more facts of life!
-
@DiogenesLamp
Well there was your first mistake. George was on the other side.
Yeah, but at the time I didn't realize there was "the other side." I thought he was on my side. I came to learn better.
Granting he was dim witted tool and controlled by daddy Bush, but there is absolutely no doubt W sided with the globalist uniparty. I tried to warn everyone but no one listened. Steve Forbes was a MUCH better choice. Hell even Pat B was a better choice.
Al Gore? No freakin way, but seeing all the damage W did, if I could go back to 2000 I'd think long and hard about voting W.
George HW Bush was the worst mistake Reagan ever made.
-
But the point remains that the fans did not like the kneeling, and that's why they booed. They recognized that action as a continuation of the protests against the Anthem.
That they stopped booing does not constitute a "mulligan" for the players who did the wrong thing first.
Still seems strange that the NFL is that stupid enough to royally piss off about half of their customer base.
-
If you want to deprive yourself of something you enjoyed, that's your privilege.
But don't try to make it an act of nobility. Sheesh.
I like football and baseball and will watch them as long as they play them.
This is a stupid fad, made stupider by our president who won't shut up.
Players who lack principles and willing to subvert the country they live in are certainly capable of subverting the game of football. Look for throwing games next for those without morality.
Your football games will be nothing more than watching WWF.
-
Players who lack principles and willing to subvert the country they live in are certainly capable of subverting the game of football. Look for throwing games next for those without morality.
Your football games will be nothing more than watching WWF.
Basketball has been that way for years, and they didn't need to inject politics into the game to ruin the sport. It just took a bunch of Refs cheerfully (and openly) accepting bribes.
-
Basketball has been that way for years, and they didn't need to inject politics into the game to ruin the sport. It just took a bunch of Refs cheerfully (and openly) accepting bribes.
This is the beginning of what has been coming for a long time. The public revolting against "Big Sports". The anthem just provided the final straw.
-
@Emjay
Tell that to them. Tell them that honoring the vets that died for this country is a "stupid fad".
(https://i.redd.it/pcycnhez5rnz.jpg)
(https://assets.change.org/photos/2/py/wr/UMPywRcRaJUtSyE-800x450-noPad.jpg)
(https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I000045eHFAegfOQ/fit=1000x750/20120528011.jpg)
Don't try to somehow shame me out of guilt for our servicemen.
I hate it when the flat and the anthem are disrespected. I hate it a lot.
I love and appreciate our service men and women. I have several in my family.
But, it's still a stupid fad started by stupid people who don't even know what they're protesting and prolonged by the President giving it credence by harping on it every day.
Hey, if you want it to stop, let the market take over. The minute some Black dude gets his Nike contract cancelled, you will see no more kneeling crap.
-
This is the first hint of the end of the kneeling during the Anthem movement.
Money talks and BS walks.
Anheuser-Busch, the official beer of the NFL since 2011, previously had declined to comment on the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases, among others. But Tuesday, an A-B spokesperson released this statement:
"We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet satisfied with the league's handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code. We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league.
Now, if Trump will just shut up and let Beer talk.
-
For once we agree on this. Trump has a golden opportunity to STFU. May he see the golden path.
Don't say a damned thing and let AB do the right thing.
Added: A closer examination of the Facebook page of AB reveals they are attempting to split the baby. They are "examining" their advertising relationship, meaning they are changing nothing while attempting to placate the public. Just as the Cowboys did.
-
Yeah, but at the time I didn't realize there was "the other side." I thought he was on my side. I came to learn better. You are forgiven W fooled a lot of people but we are wiser now and harder to fool
George HW Bush was the worst mistake Reagan ever made. Agreed but did he have a choice?
-
Agreed but did he have a choice?
Maybe not in 1980, but he did in 1984, and he chose to stick with GHWB. GWB repeated that error in 2004. As great as I thought Cheney was, he needed to be replaced with fresh blood. Even a caveman could tell the Republican in 2008 would be crushed without a groomed successor, no matter who it would be.
-
Now, if Trump will just shut up and let Beer talk.
@Cyber Liberty @Emjay
This is from another thread but I'll go ahead and post it here too
I'll bet the owners and broadcasters are in an absolute panic. They're probably
overwhelming "progressives" that thought buying into the antifa, BLM and anti-Trump
BS would be good for business. See we are on the correct side of the social issues
American is dealing with. LOL, boy oh boy did they blow it.
This is the greatest win in the culture wars EVER. Thank G*d Trump and normal
Americans took them on. Prior to this we had a few minor wins, Dicksey Chicks,
Target, Hobby Lobby, etc. But this time we stopped a full strength frontal assault
by everything the left has got. Just let that sink in, The left used everything they
have including the NFL to sell "America is racist and Trump voters are white
supremacists" they used EVERYTHING and it blew up in their face. The war is by
no means over, but now we now we can beat them.
Oh happy days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxAqIWNrfWA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxAqIWNrfWA)
off to lunch later briefers
-
I'm keeping the cork in my Champagne right now.
-
Still seems strange that the NFL is that stupid enough to royally piss off about half of their customer base.
I read a good comment on this phenomena yesterday.
They don’t care about the fans or money.
They care about, what Tom Wolfe called, status-spheres. People live in their own sphere and they gain or lose status within that sphere. To the New York CEOs and their top execs, the Trump voters are a mystery. They have no idea how Hillary lost (neither does she).
They know about getting awards for their latest PC culture adventure. They know - as all elites do - that we have an open borders, no borders, global economy and the only threat they face is ‘global warming’ and fear their various maids and nannies might get deported by Trump.
They DON’T CARE about the public or their customers.
....
14 posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2017 5:26:58 PM by TigerClaws
In the wealthy social circles in which they run, money is not a problem, but social acceptance, otherwise known as "face" is all they care about.
-
Maybe not in 1980, but he did in 1984, and he chose to stick with GHWB. GWB repeated that error in 2004. As great as I thought Cheney was, he needed to be replaced with fresh blood. Even a caveman could tell the Republican in 2008 would be crushed without a groomed successor, no matter who it would be.
I disagree. If they had chosen anyone but a black guy (It doesn't even matter that Obama was the guy, pretty much any well spoken black guy could have done the trick) they would have lost.
"Operation Chaos" was Rush Limbaugh's plan to get Hillary the nomination. He could see the same thing that I saw at the time. Hillary was a guaranteed loser. Black people wouldn't come out for her, and the media people wouldn't get orgasms thinking about electing her.
There would have been no fire in the belly for her, and she would have lost.
Putting up a black guy made the thing a social justice warrior's dream, and it filled the entire Sinistrosphere with enthusiasm. The media weapon spoke.
-
I disagree. If they had chosen anyone but a black guy (It doesn't even matter that Obama was the guy, pretty much any well spoken black guy could have done the trick) they would have lost.
"Operation Chaos" was Rush Limbaugh's plan to get Hillary the nomination. He could see the same thing that I saw at the time. Hillary was a guaranteed loser. Black people wouldn't come out for her, and the media people wouldn't get orgasms thinking about electing her.
There would have been no fire in the belly for her, and she would have lost.
Putting up a black guy made the thing a social justice warrior's dream, and it filled the entire Sinistrosphere with enthusiasm. The media weapon spoke.
That's the unavoidable conclusion, now that it's post 2007. 2004 was a different world, and Obama wasn't even a Senator yet.
-
I read a good comment on this phenomena yesterday.
In the wealthy social circles in which they run, money is not a problem, but social acceptance, otherwise known as "face" is all they care about.
That's the circle NFL Team Owners run in, as well as the CEOs of the various advertisers. That's why my Champagne stays corked for now.
-
I'll be the odd man out and agree with Rove. If Trump spoke like Rove did or like Reagan would have, we would still be dealing with just a few sitters, with ever decreasing attention being paid.
-
That's the unavoidable conclusion, now that it's post 2007. 2004 was a different world, and Obama wasn't even a Senator yet.
Back in 1995, I was telling anyone that would listen that we should run a black guy against Bill Clinton. (I was thinking of Alan Keyes at the time.) I was predicting back then exactly the social dynamics I saw occurring in 2008.
Bill Clinton would have lost.
-
I'll be the odd man out and agree with Rove. If Trump spoke like Rove did or like Reagan would have, we would still be dealing with just a few sitters, with ever decreasing attention being paid.
And what good would that have done us? The NFL would have become increasingly politicized with no backlash to trigger a correction.
Waking America up to the fact that they are in a culture war is a good thing.
-
I'll be the odd man out and agree with Rove. If Trump spoke like Rove did or like Reagan would have, we would still be dealing with just a few sitters, with ever decreasing attention being paid.
Trump is a pot-stirrer. Your suggested course of action goes against his nature.
-
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznptgxodazyjzjntgyndy3yjczntfiztg2otm4mtexyjew-e1404767031757.jpeg)
Jim Brown spoke, saying pretty much the same thing in preseason to his Cleveland Browns without the "sob" remark, if that matters. The Browns then, stopped doing that. A number of them did the kneel in preseason, JB told them they were "desecrating" the flag. So, I'm not so sure of the finding of fault for Trump remarking on this.
-
Back in 1995, I was telling anyone that would listen that we should run a black guy against Bill Clinton. (I was thinking of Alan Keyes at the time.) I was predicting back then exactly the social dynamics I saw occurring in 2008.
Bill Clinton would have lost.
And the world would be a VERY different place today.
-
Karl Rove, as usual, was the opposite of correct in his opinion of Trump.
-
240b wrote:
"Karl Rove, as usual, was the opposite of correct in his opinion of Trump."
You be right.
Mr. Rove oughtta be out lookin' for a new occupation... ;)
-
Karl Rove, as usual, was the opposite of correct in his opinion of Trump.
As usual.
-
Karl Rove is a charter member of the Swamp! Who gives a hoot in hell what h e has to say about anything?
-
240b wrote:
"Karl Rove, as usual, was the opposite of correct in his opinion of Trump."
You be right.
Mr. Rove oughtta be out lookin' for a new occupation... ;)
He certainly doesn't seem to be any good at his current job. And as a 'pundit' his predictions stink.
-
Karl Rove?
"That fat, bald eunuch."
Radio talk jock Lee Rodgers
-
Two weeks have passed and Karl is shown to be dead wrong.
Trump and his tweets have all but wrapped this puppy up. And, it’s Rove and the NFL who are walking away from this a loser.
-
Two weeks have passed and Karl is shown to be dead wrong.
Trump and his tweets have all but wrapped this puppy up. And, it’s Rove and the NFL who are walking away from this a loser.
Frankly, I don't see how anyone could have seen it otherwise. The NFL was basically in an untenable position. The owners well knew it, and tried to solve the problem by quietly getting rid of Kaepernick, but that only exacerbated the problem as players throughout the league took up the cause. Then the NFL had no plan except to hope it would go away.
Trump was happy to stick a knife in the gaping sore, as both he and Rush Limbaugh had been dissed in the past by the NFL owners when they tried to buy their way into the club. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when the owners tongue-lashed Roger Goodell for putting the league into the position of having to defend disrespecting the national anthem and every soldier who died defending the flag for which it stands.
Being no great fan of the NFL myself, I hope the owners end up with a player revolt over this.
-
Yes, the machinations, intrigue and ramifications are fascinating to watch. I watched the Niners in their heyday under Montana. But, it’s only football. The flag however will live in my heart till I breathe my last.
-
Frankly, I don't see how anyone could have seen it otherwise. The NFL was basically in an untenable position. The owners well knew it, and tried to solve the problem by quietly getting rid of Kaepernick, but that only exacerbated the problem as players throughout the league took up the cause. Then the NFL had no plan except to hope it would go away.
Trump was happy to stick a knife in the gaping sore, as both he and Rush Limbaugh had been dissed in the past by the NFL owners when they tried to buy their way into the club. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when the owners tongue-lashed Roger Goodell for putting the league into the position of having to defend disrespecting the national anthem and every soldier who died defending the flag for which it stands.
Being no great fan of the NFL myself, I hope the owners end up with a player revolt over this.
Fire the sitters and bring in the second stringers. There's plenty of people that would kill to play in the NFL.
Almost literally!
-
Fire the sitters and bring in the second stringers. There's plenty of people that would kill to play in the NFL.
Almost literally!
Very true. There is already football out there for people who want to watch a great game played at a slightly lower level of athleticism, but with much more heart. It's called college football, and there is plenty of audience for it.
-
Very true. There is already football out there for people who want to watch a great game played at a slightly lower level of athleticism, but with much more heart. It's called college football, and there is plenty of audience for it.
That's the ONLY kind I watch these days! The overpaid "professionals" can KMA!
-
Very true. There is already football out there for people who want to watch a great game played at a slightly lower level of athleticism, but with much more heart. It's called college football, and there is plenty of audience for it.
I never really followed college football, except to see players that my favorite NFL team might pick. College football was like AA or AAA baseball, good but not at the same level as the major league. Now that I've given up watching pro football I'm finding I miss it less and less every week. Maybe it's time to give the "minors" a try.
-
I never really followed college football, except to see players that my favorite NFL team might pick. College football was like AA or AAA baseball, good but not at the same level as the major league. Now that I've given up watching pro football I'm finding I miss it less and less every week. Maybe it's time to give the "minors" a try.
Two words: Penn State.
-
I never really followed college football, except to see players that my favorite NFL team might pick. College football was like AA or AAA baseball, good but not at the same level as the major league. Now that I've given up watching pro football I'm finding I miss it less and less every week. Maybe it's time to give the "minors" a try.
Long before there was any flag controversy I far preferred college level football to the professional game. VERY much more entertaining in every aspect IMHO.
-
Long before there was any flag controversy I far preferred college level football to the professional game. VERY much more entertaining in every aspect IMHO.
COMPLETELY agree!
NFL players are overpaid, over-egoed, hot dogging children, for the most part (not all, though).
I love college football........... even when the Buckeyes lose (which is rarely. :dx1:)
-
Two words: Penn State.
My Father in Law's favorite team.
-
My Father in Law's favorite team.
They are having a great year, and they are a fun team to watch.