The Briefing Room

General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:32:31 pm

Title: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:32:31 pm
User Actions   
 Follow
 
Bill KristolVerified account
‏@BillKristol
Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate--an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance.
RETWEETS
237
LIKES
279
Neverevernever,ever!Carolina GirlCraig GillThe_Jolly_NodakHeels Against TrumpBetty FinnEddie RichA PatriotD Torres
4:00 PM - 29 May 2016
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:33:16 pm
Thirty minutes ago.  What to make of it?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: austingirl on May 29, 2016, 09:36:56 pm
Wow! Can't wait to learn more.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 29, 2016, 09:37:22 pm
 :odrama:

Hope it's not another....


(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/nothingburger.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 29, 2016, 09:38:40 pm
Oh, yeah!  Looks like us #Nevertrump may have some for which to vote other than warmed-over Libertarians, and the dregs of the Constitution Party.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: R4 TrumPence on May 29, 2016, 09:41:22 pm
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 29, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
:odrama:

Hope it's not another....


(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/nothingburger.jpg)
There are roughly 320,000,000 people in America.   Nearly 319,999,998 of the are better than either stumpy or hitlery.   The likelihood that Kristol's find could be worse that stumpy or hitlery is slim.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:44:05 pm
:odrama:

Hope it's not another....


(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/nothingburger.jpg)

I know, right?  Some are trying to get him to clarify as to the timing of an announcement, but so far (to my knowledge) he hasn't responded.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 29, 2016, 09:46:08 pm
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!
Because many of us think that both stumpy and hitlery are worse than "RINOS" (a term I'm retiring from personal use).  stumpy and hitlery are both tending toward socialist, hitlery in an international perspective, stumpy in a nationalist one.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 29, 2016, 09:48:33 pm
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!

oooh - Goes to the ALL CAPS  and the 7x !

You surely saw the polls that show a large number hoping for better than the binary one now in the offing.

Though, color me skeptical until Kristol puts up instead of teasing.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:48:48 pm
I would have more confidence in a different source.  But who knows.  I can't wait to hear who they've got.
He sounds as if he knows something.  Given where he sits on the GOP spectrum, his idea of a great candidate is likely to be quite different from mine.  So I don't know what to make of it yet.  Good or bad, time will tell if it is true at all.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 29, 2016, 09:49:27 pm
He's talking about Gary Johnson, the Libertarian.  He was chosen as nominee, with William Weld as VP.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 29, 2016, 09:56:45 pm
He's talking about Gary Johnson, the Libertarian.  He was chosen as nominee, with William Weld as VP.

If that's it - see Reply 8
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 09:58:50 pm
He's talking about Gary Johnson, the Libertarian.  He was chosen as nominee, with William Weld as VP.
Do you think Krystol considers Johnson to be "an impressive one, with a strong team"?  He also said that the candidate would be independent, and Johnson, be in the Libertarian Party, IMO wouldn't be classified as an independent.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 29, 2016, 10:02:24 pm
Quote
Bill Kristol Claiming He Has An Independent Candidate
Twitter ^ | May 29, 2016 | Pinkbell
Posted on 5/29/2016, 5:56:32 PM by Pinkbell

Per Twitter

"Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate--an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance."

-Bill Kristol

Who is it, Mittens?

This absolutely disgusts me. This fool is going to cost us the election because he and some bitter Cruz supporters didn't get their way. He knows it will split the vote and we won't win. A few things:

1)He wants to cause enough of a vote split where no candidate has the 270. Ok. Let's say he does that. He will literally be usurping the will of all the people who voted for Trump in the primaries and general (which will be way more than his guy).

2)That assumes his candidate will even win one state. I would venture to guess his candidate won't win a single state but will divide the votes enough to help Hillary.

3)Maybe he wants Hillary. I had a Cruz supporter tell me on Twitter he'd rather 4 years of Hillary (he says it will only be 4 years) and 2 Supreme Court picks from her (he insists it will only be 2) so he can get a conservative like Cruz in 4 years.

Somewhere Hillary is cackling at the stupid party and "principled" conservatives who are willing to torpedo Trump to get all or nothing.

Let's hope either Bill is bluffing or this fails. Even Trump the other day seemed to concede it would give Hillary the election.

It takes a special kind of elitist attitude to usurp the voters of your own party and tell them you know better.

FR isn't taking it well... can anyone confirm that he just wants to prevent any candidate from getting 270? That's an insane plan! LOL
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: austingirl on May 29, 2016, 10:03:02 pm
Because many of us think that both stumpy and hitlery are worse than "RINOS" (a term I'm retiring from personal use).  stumpy and hitlery are both tending toward socialist, hitlery in an international perspective, stumpy in a nationalist one.

To say nothing of the fact that Trump is being embraced by RINOs by the dozen. He is part of the problem, enriching himself through crony capitalism- and certainly not the solution.

Hitlery should have been serving her prison term by now.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 29, 2016, 10:06:07 pm
FR isn't taking it well... can anyone confirm that he just wants to prevent any candidate from getting 270? That's an insane plan! LOL

That has been Kristol's plan from the get go.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on May 29, 2016, 10:06:43 pm
He's rested He's white like a bleached skull.  The McCainiac is Back Baby!

(http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/John-McCain-250x320.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 29, 2016, 10:08:33 pm
To say nothing of the fact that Trump is being embraced by RINOs by the dozen. He is part of the problem, enriching himself through crony capitalism- and certainly not the solution.

Hitlery should have been serving her prison term by now.

Great, excellent post.  Succinct and accurate.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 10:11:41 pm
FR isn't taking it well... can anyone confirm that he just wants to prevent any candidate from getting 270? That's an insane plan! LOL

Saw that.  I scooped TOS by almost a half hour.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Jazzhead on May 29, 2016, 10:12:08 pm
There are roughly 320,000,000 people in America.   Nearly 319,999,998 of the are better than either stumpy or hitlery.   The likelihood that Kristol's find could be worse that stumpy or hitlery is slim.

Agree completely.  The point right now isn't the appearance of the true conservative,  but a sober, experienced and honest hand who isn't a crazy fascist or a corrupt socialist.   
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 29, 2016, 10:14:11 pm
:odrama:

Hope it's not another....


(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/nothingburger.jpg)

It will likely be Romney after a sudden party switch. If not, it will be Romney level horrible. Kristol is if nothing else, an idiot.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: EC on May 29, 2016, 10:14:26 pm
No name?

Not news.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 29, 2016, 10:14:27 pm
Kristol: Independent candidate will challenge Trump and Clinton

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kristol-independent-candidate-will-challenge-trump-and-clinton/article/2592566#.V0tnKwPRuzk.twitter

From the Washington Examiner.

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 29, 2016, 10:15:02 pm
daveweigel ‏@daveweigel  15m15 minutes ago

Whatever else happens this year, there will be more elected Republican politicians on the Libertarian ticket than on the GOP ticket.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on May 29, 2016, 10:15:21 pm
Is Perot still alive?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 29, 2016, 10:16:34 pm
Agree completely.  The point right now isn't the appearance of the true conservative,  but a sober, experienced and honest hand who isn't a crazy fascist or a corrupt socialist.   

 888sunglass
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: EC on May 29, 2016, 10:17:15 pm
Is Perot still alive?

He needs fresh batteries.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: austingirl on May 29, 2016, 10:18:15 pm

Saw that.  I scooped TOS by almost a half hour.  :tongue2:

Nice. :da man:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 29, 2016, 10:25:36 pm
Freepers on the case. Double naught spies ramping up!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3435053/posts?page=28#28


Quote
To: Pinkbell

Who is Bill Kristol working for?

China?

Need a team of private investigators on Kristol’s activities past and present.

28 posted on 5/29/2016, 6:04:43 PM by Eddie01
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 29, 2016, 10:29:54 pm
He's rested He's white like a bleached skull.  The McCainiac is Back Baby!

(http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/John-McCain-250x320.jpg)

 :silly:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 29, 2016, 10:31:27 pm
So no need to vote libertarian any more? Sweet! Because... I don't really know if I can stomach voting for this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjp8uQ3UoAE-_zc.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 29, 2016, 10:33:17 pm
Freepers on the case. Double naught spies ramping up!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3435053/posts?page=28#28

@CatherineofAragon
When I want to live a vicarious fantasy, I load up Skyrim or Fallout 4 and pretend to be a hero. I guess some people like to live their own 'save the prince(ss)' fantasies out here in the real world. Still just a fantasy though. But I think they have a really hard time separating their fantasy from reality.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on May 29, 2016, 10:36:17 pm
Freepers on the case. Double naught spies ramping up!

I hope they have their see-through-walls spy pens
(http://www.tomheroes.com/images7/COMICAD_spy_pen.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: TomSea on May 29, 2016, 10:37:53 pm
Speaking of the Libertarian Party it seemed Gary Johnson was saying the LP would be the only 3rd party in all 50 states; so, we'll see. Maybe it's not too late.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 29, 2016, 10:50:42 pm
Freepers on the case. Double naught spies ramping up!

So what?  What does FR have to do with TBR?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on May 29, 2016, 10:51:36 pm
Speaking of the Libertarian Party it seemed Gary Johnson was saying the LP would be the only 3rd party in all 50 states; so, we'll see. Maybe it's not too late.
Gary Johnson 2016 - He's not Hillary!!!
Wow!  That sounds like an awesome campaign slogan.  I love it!
pretty much all I need to know.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 29, 2016, 11:27:57 pm
Got under Trump's skin:


Quote
Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
If dummy Bill Kristol actually does get a spoiler to run as an Independent, say good bye to the Supreme Court!
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Fantom on May 29, 2016, 11:30:23 pm
Got under Trump's skin:

Bill Kristol.. inside Trumps head...... good Lord what Putin will do to Scam Wow.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Fantom on May 29, 2016, 11:34:32 pm
So what?  What does FR have to do with TBR?

Well Wrong..... it is called market share. Particularly of like minded. If you note the upper left.. maybe that, and buying a vowel(Hint--I suggest "E"), will get you to an enlightened stage on this.

(http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/b9d9fe9b-8413-4f29-98cc-eb790260d8b5/00000283.png)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 29, 2016, 11:36:31 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  41m41 minutes ago
Bill Kristol has been wrong for 2yrs-an embarrassed loser, but if the GOP can't control their own, then they are not a party. Be tough, R's!


Notice, Trump doesn't consider himself a Republican.  He refers to "they" in the GOP.

There's no "we" in Trump's candidacy.  Just a big ole fat "Me."
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 29, 2016, 11:39:05 pm
How does Trump think the GOP could "control" Kristol? It's a free country, anyone can run for President.

Libertarians just nominated a guy who answered "I don't know" to the question of whether or not we should have been involved in World War 1 and 2.

So yeah... anyone can run.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Fantom on May 29, 2016, 11:40:25 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  41m41 minutes ago
Bill Kristol has been wrong for 2yrs-an embarrassed loser, but if the GOP can't control their own, then they are not a party. Be tough, R's!


Notice, Trump doesn't consider himself a Republican.  He refers to "they" in the GOP.

There's no "we" in Trump's candidacy.  Just a big ole fat "Me."

Right.


Clue number 2001..... for any paying attention.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 29, 2016, 11:54:45 pm
Right.


Clue number 2001..... for any paying attention.

Trump's not a Republican.  He's just borrowing the label. 
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: cato potatoe on May 30, 2016, 12:21:29 am
Trump most certainly would have made the GOP nomination worthless for anyone else, so this is fair.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: ConstitutionRose on May 30, 2016, 01:08:23 am
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  41m41 minutes ago
Bill Kristol has been wrong for 2yrs-an embarrassed loser, but if the GOP can't control their own, then they are not a party. Be tough, R's!


Notice, Trump doesn't consider himself a Republican.  He refers to "they" in the GOP.

There's no "we" in Trump's candidacy.  Just a big ole fat "Me."

Yeah.  Noticed that.  I bet that tweet ruined Trump's holiday.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Oceander on May 30, 2016, 01:10:23 am
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!

Very funny coming from someone who is in the tank for one of the biggest old-line-establishment, crony capitalist RINOs of them all - Trump.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 05:24:10 am
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  41m41 minutes ago
Bill Kristol has been wrong for 2yrs-an embarrassed loser, but if the GOP can't control their own, then they are not a party. Be tough, R's!


Notice, Trump doesn't consider himself a Republican.  He refers to "they" in the GOP.

There's no "we" in Trump's candidacy.  Just a big ole fat "Me."

Well, I'm not a Republican,  so, I guess it won't be an be issue when I vote for Bill Kristol's third party, and, hopefully,  throws the election into the House of Representatives, and avoids either hitlery or stumpy.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 30, 2016, 05:31:21 am
Well, I'm not a Republican,  so, I guess it won't be an be issue when I vote for Bill Kristol's third party, and, hopefully,  throws the election into the House of Representatives, and avoids either hitlery or stumpy.

Cruz could probably take Texas from Trump and deny Trump 38 electoral votes. Assuming the polls are right and Trump is beating Hillary, it could possibly throw the election into the House. Someone in TOS said that Romney could possibly pull Utah.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2016, 05:37:46 am
I haven't watched FOX news for so long.  Do they even let Krystol on?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: ConstitutionRose on May 30, 2016, 11:10:00 am
I am not a Republican either.  I re-registered as unaffiliated the day Cruz suspended his campaign and Trump was Mr. Hideous Presumptive.

I've been registered as Not Affiliated or Independent for two decades in two different states.  I voted the Republican ballot that whole time, but I will vote for a third party this year.  It would make me very happy if that party has a positive impact on this worse than hopeless election.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2016, 12:09:26 pm
Well, I'm not a Republican,  so, I guess it won't be an be issue when I vote for Bill Kristol's third party, and, hopefully,  throws the election into the House of Representatives, and avoids either hitlery or stumpy.

If the election were to go to the House, and that is very unlikely, Donald Trump would absolutely be our next president. The vast majority of House GOP members would vote for their party's nominee...an easy call for nearly all of them.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Doug Loss on May 30, 2016, 12:19:23 pm
If the election were to go to the House, and that is very unlikely, Donald Trump would absolutely be our next president. The vast majority of House GOP members would vote for their party's nominee...an easy call for nearly all of them.

Maybe, maybe not.  Your supposition strikes me as being similar to the Trump/Obama (same mindset) sycophants'; everything will happen to put my Big Man in power--the will of the people demands it!  I strongly doubt it would go that way, at least not quickly or obviously.  Given a viable way to keep both Trump and Clinton out of the presidency, I think many pols from both parties would breath (perhaps hidden) sighs of relief.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 12:28:48 pm
Oh, yeah!  Looks like us #Nevertrump may have some for which to vote other than warmed-over Libertarians, and the dregs of the Constitution Party.

Does this so-called third party candidate have a realistic possibility of winning any electoral college votes?

If so, which states?

If not, I would posit that any third party candidate as being a reincarnation of Ross Perot (i.e., a spoiler who handed the WH to the Hildabeast's husband).

Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 30, 2016, 12:49:22 pm
Does this so-called third party candidate have a realistic possibility of winning any electoral college votes?

If so, which states?

If not, I would posit that any third party candidate as being a reincarnation of Ross Perot (i.e., a spoiler who handed the WH to the Hildabeast's husband).

Welp, Cruz could pull Texas, Romney could pull Utah, Kasich could pull Ohio, for example. Long shots, but it could happen. Depends on how strong or weak Hillary's support is.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 01:09:00 pm
Welp, Cruz could pull Texas, Romney could pull Utah, Kasich could pull Ohio, for example. Long shots, but it could happen. Depends on how strong or weak Hillary's support is.
All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bill-kristol-donald-trump-president-weekly-standard/2016/03/02/id/717115/):

Quote
The Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol said Wednesday that he would rather have Hillary Clinton in the White House than the Republican front-runner.

I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 30, 2016, 01:12:27 pm
All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bill-kristol-donald-trump-president-weekly-standard/2016/03/02/id/717115/):


I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

Yah. Hillary would have to be greatly, greatly weakened for the plan to work. She could be weakened by either being indicted, or perhaps if Bernie supporters go for the Green party or libertarians.

This is a horrible, but fascinating election.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 01:18:55 pm
Yah. Hillary would have to be greatly, greatly weakened for the plan to work. She could be weakened by either being indicted, or perhaps if Bernie supporters go for the Green party or libertarians.

This is a horrible, but fascinating election.
That, in my mind, is the ONLY way for it to have a possibility of working.

And, yes, this would be truly interesting:

- Trump as the GOP nominee
- Hildabeast as the DEM nominee
- Sanders as the Socialist/Green nominee
- ((fill in the blank)) as the WHAT??? nominee

(I don't want to say "conservative"...as if they name Willard or McLame as the mystery man, neither are conservative)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 01:28:47 pm
All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bill-kristol-donald-trump-president-weekly-standard/2016/03/02/id/717115/):


I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2016, 02:11:44 pm
As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.

I agree.  And thank you for being brave enough to say this so clearly.  We don't need to make America great again---it's always been our "greatness" that's destabilized the global economy, not to even mention what "America First" has done to world security.  And besides, the world knows the Clintons and knows they understand the rules.  We don't need another American "cowboy", even if he is just an orangutan from New York--especially one who understands Capitalism and seems to be so damn fond of it  **nononono* 

At least with Hillary we know what we're getting.  We'll be just fine without borders and I never bought into that nonsense that we're not wealthy enough to take care of undocumented folks---even if they don't pay taxes.  Hell, let the billionaires pay more.  That's why we have them, right?  LOL!   ^-^

But seriously, Hillary is our last, best chance at healing the rifts between blacks and whites--and Hispanics in this country.  She is, and really always has been, a unifier.  And I think being a grandma has really softened her edges, don't you agree?    And all this BS about emails and laundered foreign money is just about on my last nerve.  Leave her alone already, she's working for us!

And Hillary knows and believes in the Constitution of the United States!  She won't be looking to go beyond the system of checks and balances.  Hillary has never shown any inclination to say "I" will do this or that.  Hillary doesn't talk about "me", "me", "me".  She'll work the system and get things done --- smoothly because the media will be on her side.  Finally, an end to gridlock!  I can only imagine how happy Congressional leaders are at the mere thought of this.

So other than the occasional death of a couple of special forces "heroes" and the rise of a couple of Mullahs; other than a little tweeking of the second amendment and a government controlled private sector, we'll be staying on the right course for the United States of America!

Good, good call @sitetest!   Viva La Hillary!!!   :patriot:

Welcome to TBR!!   :beer:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 02:24:42 pm
As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.
You and I will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Looking at it cynically, I can't see much difference between the Orange Bomber and Her Thighness. But out of a thousand possible issues, he might do the right thing in two or three things out of a thousand, while I am utterly convinced that she would do the wrong thing in all cases.

I wish the GOP electorate hadn't fallen for his snake-oil sales pitch, but they did.

(Frankly, this is one reason why I am glad to live in Maryland...my vote in the general election will make no difference at all. If I lived in a swing state, I would have an actual dilemma)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 02:33:08 pm
I agree.  And thank you for being brave enough to say this so clearly.  We don't need to make America great again---it's always been our "greatness" that's destabilized the global economy, not to even mention what "America First" has done to world security.  And besides, the world knows the Clintons and knows they understand the rules.  We don't need another American "cowboy", even if he is just an orangutan from New York--especially one who understands Capitalism and seems to be so damn fond of it  **nononono* 

At least with Hillary we know what we're getting.  We'll be just fine without borders and I never bought into that nonsense that we're not wealthy enough to take care of undocumented folks---even if they don't pay taxes.  Hell, let the billionaires pay more.  That's why we have them, right?  LOL!   ^-^

But seriously, Hillary is our last, best chance at healing the rifts between blacks and whites--and Hispanics in this country.  She is, and really always has been, a unifier.  And I think being a grandma has really softened her edges, don't you agree?    And all this BS about emails and laundered foreign money is just about on my last nerve.  Leave her alone already, she's working for us!

And Hillary knows and believes in the Constitution of the United States!  She won't be looking to go beyond the system of checks and balances.  Hillary has never shown any inclination to say "I" will do this or that.  Hillary doesn't talk about "me", "me", "me".  She'll work the system and get things done --- smoothly because the media will be on her side.  Finally, an end to gridlock!  I can only imagine how happy Congressional leaders are at the mere thought of this.

So other than the occasional death of a couple of special forces "heroes" and the rise of a couple of Mullahs; other than a little tweeking of the second amendment and a government controlled private sector, we'll be staying on the right course for the United States of America!

Good, good call @sitetest!   Viva La Hillary!!!   :patriot:

Welcome to TBR!!   :beer:
Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: HAPPY2BME on May 30, 2016, 02:34:12 pm
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!

===============================================

You can't make this stuff up..
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: austingirl on May 30, 2016, 02:38:34 pm
Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.


Excellent post.   blij26 blij26 blij26
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2016, 02:50:24 pm
Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm


Why do you assume its sarcasm, @sitetest?  Have you so little faith in your ability to sway another poster to your direction?   :pondering:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2016, 02:52:10 pm

Excellent post.   blij26 blij26 blij26

Yes, yes, yes!!!!!  @austingirl   

:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:    :beer:   :beer:   :beer:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 30, 2016, 02:53:40 pm
Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.

Excellent post.

Trumpkins don't know what they don't know:

The Psychological Quirk That Explains Why You Love Donald Trump


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904#ixzz4A3uUqk5U
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 02:54:40 pm
You and I will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Looking at it cynically, I can't see much difference between the Orange Bomber and Her Thighness. But out of a thousand possible issues, he might do the right thing in two or three things out of a thousand, while I am utterly convinced that she would do the wrong thing in all cases.

I wish the GOP electorate hadn't fallen for his snake-oil sales pitch, but they did.

(Frankly, this is one reason why I am glad to live in Maryland...my vote in the general election will make no difference at all. If I lived in a swing state, I would have an actual dilemma)

The problem with your reasoning, mark, is the "binariness" you superimpose on issues, that there might be a single right way to treat an issue, and a single wrong way.  Thus, hitlery will get everything wrong, but stumpy might get something right.  But the possibility exists that hitlery will get everything wrong, but that stumpy might get something wronger.

This is exemplified in its instinct to try to "renegotiate" some of the national debt.  The stupidity and ignorance of this "idea" is unmatched.  It fails to understand that within the context of US debt, for an American president to suggest renegotiations is the equivalent of default.  Because the US has paid every cent of its debt in a timely manner pretty much since 1790, the US recieves the lowest interest rates available and has the most neogitiable, liquid debt.  The reason why folks would refuse to renegotiate the US debt they hold is because they can go to the financial markets on any given day and trade the debt they hold for ready cash.  The only way that market disappears is if traders suddenly feel as if the value of their holdings became impaired, which the suggestion of renegotiation by an American president could easily do.  The increase in interest rates demanded by investors in new US debt would bring about financial collapse that much sooner if it were not preceded by the earthquake of financial Armageddon brought on by such a default.

hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  stumpy doesn't seem as well-informed.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2016, 03:00:43 pm
hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  

(http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/REUTERS-DO-NOT-REUSE37-800x430.jpg)



:flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 03:04:19 pm
It is ironic that underneath my statement that "hitlery is a gross bumbler," You place an upbeat, cheery, even celebratory picture of the hag.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 03:08:58 pm
The problem with your reasoning, mark, is the "binariness" you superimpose on issues, that there might be a single right way to treat an issue, and a single wrong way.  Thus, hitlery will get everything wrong, but stumpy might get something right.  But the possibility exists that hitlery will get everything wrong, but that stumpy might get something wronger.

This is exemplified in its instinct to try to "renegotiate" some of the national debt.  The stupidity and ignorance of this "idea" is unmatched.  It fails to understand that within the context of US debt, for an American president to suggest renegotiations is the equivalent of default.  Because the US has paid every cent of its debt in a timely manner pretty much since 1790, the US recieves the lowest interest rates available and has the most neogitiable, liquid debt.  The reason why folks would refuse to renegotiate the US debt they hold is because they can go to the financial markets on any given day and trade the debt they hold for ready cash.  The only way that market disappears is if traders suddenly feel as if the value of their holdings became impaired, which the suggestion of renegotiation by an American president could easily do.  The increase in interest rates demanded by investors in new US debt would bring about financial collapse that much sooner if it were not preceded by the earthquake of financial Armageddon brought on by such a default.

hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  stumpy doesn't seem as well-informed.

As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: geronl on May 30, 2016, 03:11:16 pm
#NeverHillary
#NeverTrump

That's redundant!!
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 30, 2016, 03:17:42 pm
As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.

The problem is, Trump is even more mentally unstable.  Witness his off-the-cuff remarks about nuclear weaponizing Japan and South Korea and his insane idea to attempt a dialogue with Kim Jung-Un.  Trump is stupid, and he doesn't know he's stupid.  He thinks he's smart about things he knows nothing about.  I'm betting he STILL couldn't tell you what the nuclear triad is.

Trump is dangerous in a very personal way.  Witness how he treats those who don't do him homage (i.e., Susana Martinez).   

Hillary would be a bad president.  We've had bad presidents before.  But we've never had a crazy president before.  Trump would be the first.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 03:36:50 pm
As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.

I worked, briefly, in the clinton White House.   hitlery is bat shit crazy, and a bumbler.  stumpy is bat shit crazier, and, as sinkspur says, is too stupid to know what he doesn't know.   The only thing where stumpy excels hitlery is in the ability to deceive.   hitlery is a pathological, serial liar, but she is not a very good deceiver.  She is transparent, and most people see right through her.  But stumpy actually deceives and excites a critical minority (for now) of people of which hitlery could only dream.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: don-o on May 30, 2016, 03:44:21 pm
     

Hillary would be a bad president.  We've had bad presidents before.  But we've never had a crazy president before.  Trump would be the first.

For a start, I would need a certification that Trump is not afflicted with, or tending to Tourette Syndrome.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2016, 04:17:51 pm
It is ironic that underneath my statement that "hitlery is a gross bumbler," You place an upbeat, cheery, even celebratory picture of the hag.

It's not ironic, @sitetest.   I used a picture I thought you'd like because after "gross bumbler" came your big "but" (no pun intended  ^-^ ) choosing Hillary over Trump.  I'm certain she, as do I, would give you a "thumbs up"!

No worries, pal ...  I'm on your side!   :patriot:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 04:22:59 pm
The problem is, Trump is even more mentally unstable.  Witness his off-the-cuff remarks about nuclear weaponizing Japan and South Korea and his insane idea to attempt a dialogue with Kim Jung-Un.  Trump is stupid, and he doesn't know he's stupid.  He thinks he's smart about things he knows nothing about.  I'm betting he STILL couldn't tell you what the nuclear triad is.

Trump is dangerous in a very personal way.  Witness how he treats those who don't do him homage (i.e., Susana Martinez).   

Hillary would be a bad president.  We've had bad presidents before.  But we've never had a crazy president before.  Trump would be the first.

I worked, briefly, in the clinton White House.   hitlery is bat shit crazy, and a bumbler.  stumpy is bat shit crazier, and, as sinkspur says, is too stupid to know what he doesn't know.   The only thing where stumpy excels hitlery is in the ability to deceive.   hitlery is a pathological, serial liar, but she is not a very good deceiver.  She is transparent, and most people see right through her.  But stumpy actually deceives and excites a critical minority (for now) of people of which hitlery could only dream.

The principal thing that concerns me about Trump, @sitetest , is the slavish devotion of his cult followers. You do have a point there.

I see him as a snake-oil salesman. There is a difference between being a snake-oil salesman and insane.

(http://i.imgur.com/D8CsHjB.jpg)

Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: catfish1957 on May 30, 2016, 05:11:59 pm
Yeah.  Noticed that.  I bet that tweet ruined Trump's holiday.

Ever notice almost 95% of anyone who does not agree with Orange turd is deemed a "loser"

Do the Trumpets really want the mentality of a high school punk running this country? 
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: austingirl on May 30, 2016, 05:20:45 pm
Ever notice almost 95% of anyone who does not agree with Orange turd is deemed a "loser"

Do the Trumpets really want the mentality of a high school punk running this country?

Do they? It would appear so. **nononono*
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2016, 05:24:25 pm
It is ironic that underneath my statement that "hitlery is a gross bumbler," You place an upbeat, cheery, even celebratory picture of the hag.

The posts are leaning very liberal. 
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 06:08:06 pm
The principal thing that concerns me about Trump, @sitetest , is the slavish devotion of his cult followers. You do have a point there.

I see him as a snake-oil salesman. There is a difference between being a snake-oil salesman and insane.

(http://i.imgur.com/D8CsHjB.jpg)
Your post seems to suggest that, underneath it all, at least stumpy has a vague idea what he's doing.  He's a confessed man, but he  basically knows he's saying stuff just to whip up his crowds.

I'd like to think so, but I don't think he believes his own crap sandwich.  Otherwise, there are certain things he wouldn't say.  Like going on about Sen. Cruz' father AFTER Indiana.   Like the US debt thing.

If stumpy loses the election, these two items may be the cause.  They are what drives much of the #Nevertrump movement.  So, he gained nothing other than a momentary thrill from and for his worshippers.   But it may have cost this insecure idiot who constantly brags about its high IQ the election.

And stumpy is oblivious.

It doesn't know what it doesn't know.  It is an orangutan or maybe, a baboon.  But a great deceiver.  Perhaps The Great Deciever.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Emjay on May 30, 2016, 07:44:53 pm
Oh, yeah!  Looks like us #Nevertrump may have some for which to vote other than warmed-over Libertarians, and the dregs of the Constitution Party.

Pie in the sky we'll never taste.

Our only hope is resurrecting the Republican Party.  It would take too many years for another party to become viable and, in the meantime, irreparable damage would be done to our country.

I would even vote for the despicable Trump to get the dems out of power for four years.  During that time, Trump will make us sick, ashamed and possibly in danger, but we know that Hillary would make us sick, ashamed and in real danger.

The anger that the little trumpers feel for the establishment Republicans can possibly be channeled into voting against Mitch MicConnell, John Boehner, John McCain and all their ilk and getting them out of congress. 

After that, since Trump will surely be a goner in 4 years, we would have a chance for Ted Cruz and a real conservative Republican party.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 30, 2016, 08:29:46 pm
stumpy's election would be the end of the Republic.

Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet (Updated)
Post by: sinkspur on May 30, 2016, 09:57:36 pm
Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  8m8 minutes ago
I'm traveling, so hadn't realized I'd so upset @realDonaldTrump. I'm sorry the mere mention of an independent candidate has so unnerved him.


Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  5m5 minutes ago
I hope my mention of an independent candidate didn't distract him while paying respects during whichever Memorial Day ceremony he attended.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 11:02:48 pm
stumpy's election would be the end of the Republic.
Actually, the end of the Republic happened November 6, 2012...the day that the people decided that "more free stuff" was worth more than their freedom. (I say 2012 rather than 2008 as people could be given a break the first time with the hopey-changey stuff)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 30, 2016, 11:30:54 pm
Actually, the end of the Republic happened November 6, 2012...the day that the people decided that "more free stuff" was worth more than their freedom. (I say 2012 rather than 2008 as people could be given a break the first time with the hopey-changey stuff)

No break needed. The mere fact that they bought the hopeandchange was the end of the Republic.
a country is it's people. It's people chose liberalism, then went on to nominate a hard leftist to the GOP to 'fix' things in 12, thus showing the end was already past.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: markomalley on May 30, 2016, 11:31:50 pm
No break needed. The mere fact that they bought the hopeandchange was the end of the Republic.
a country is it's people. It's people chose liberalism, then went on to nominate a hard leftist to the GOP to 'fix' things in 12, thus showing the end was already past.
Point taken. But I was trying to be charitable.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: HonestJohn on May 30, 2016, 11:53:08 pm
Thirty minutes ago.  What to make of it?

Libertarian candidate, perhaps?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: HonestJohn on May 30, 2016, 11:53:42 pm
:odrama:

Hope it's not another....


(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/nothingburger.jpg)

Vanilla ice-cream burger?
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: HonestJohn on May 31, 2016, 12:02:47 am
All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bill-kristol-donald-trump-president-weekly-standard/2016/03/02/id/717115/):


I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

Considering the two candidates, Hillary is less damaging to conservatism (and American ethos) than Trump.  The wholesale round up of millions within a country has only been seen twice in recent history.  Both countries faired poorly afterwards.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: TomSea on May 31, 2016, 12:06:44 am
Considering the two candidates, Hillary is less damaging to conservatism (and American ethos) than Trump.  The wholesale round up of millions within a country has only been seen twice in recent history.  Both countries faired poorly afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback  Other than the disparaging term used which I'd disagree with, I thought we did okay in the '60s and '70s.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: HonestJohn on May 31, 2016, 12:11:25 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback  Other than the disparaging term used which I'd disagree with, I thought we did okay in the '60s and '70s.

That 'operation' didn't amount to the millions.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 31, 2016, 12:11:32 am
Apparently Kristol is starting a new party called the "Renegade Party":

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=209496.msg904506#msg904506

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: TomSea on May 31, 2016, 12:24:11 am
That 'operation' didn't amount to the millions.

Per the administrations of Roosevelt, Truman and Ike; let alone history in total down through recent years, I'd surmise millions have been deported. Does it need to be in a time frame? What is the annual average of deportees?
Quote
The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

Hundreds of thousands a year are deported, that adds up to millions.

Quote
Eisenhower did not deport 13 million Mexicans. Only one-tenth that number was ever claimed by the federal officials in charge of  "Operation Wetback," and even that figure is criticized as inflated by guesswork. Officially, just over 2.1 million were recorded as having been deported or having departed under threat of deportation.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/hoover-truman-ike-mass-deporters/

Quote
The wholesale round up of millions within a country has only been seen twice in recent history.

But in what cases are we talking about? Were these millions citizens?  If they are not citizens; what are they? Invaders?

We had internment camps, the Soviet Union did massively move certain peoples in the past, the Chechens I understand.

Figures vary on how many were deported during Eisenhower's administration.

Apparently, Russia deports many currently as well.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 01:04:36 am
No break needed. The mere fact that they bought the hopeandchange was the end of the Republic.
a country is it's people. It's people chose liberalism, then went on to nominate a hard leftist to the GOP to 'fix' things in 12, thus showing the end was already past.

I disagree with both you and mark.

At least, up through the possible election of stumpy, statism would at least the token resistance of a major political party.

Before the takeover of the Republican Party by the stump yikes, there was at least the potential of a conservative renaissance.

As we conservatives are slowly banished from the party of Lincoln,  the dictatorship pioneered by the kenyan anti-christ will be cemented by the great deceiver, and the Republican Party hierarchy will hold its coat.

I fear that after trump, the the Republican habits will be completely extinguished from any significant part of the electorate, no less close to a majority.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 01:09:43 am
I disagree with both you and mark.

At least, up through the possible election of stumpy, statism would at least the token resistance of a major political party.

Before the takeover of the Republican Party by the stump yikes, there was at least the potential of a conservative renaissance.

As we conservatives are slowly banished from the party of Lincoln,  the dictatorship pioneered by the kenyan anti-christ will be cemented by the great deceiver, and the Republican Party hierarchy will hold its coat.

I fear that after trump, the the Republican habits will be completely extinguished from any significant part of the electorate, no less close to a majority.

I don't see where potential existed at all. You can MEASURABLY chart the increasing lurch to the left in each election since Reagan left. Thats across the board. Candidates, politicians, policies, voting, online commentary, news commentary...all of it.

A Renaissance cannot/could not happen under those conditions when the voters themselves are fueling the leftism with their voting. Couldn't then, certainly can't now. Such is the result of lesser evil/pragmatism that some of us screamed from the rooftops about for years now.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Liberty Tree Dr on May 31, 2016, 01:19:36 am
As long as you're all good with President Clinton '45.  Because that's what this will mean at the end of the day.

Suggestion:  Don't go to other forums to read what hard-core Trumpkins have to say about anything.  Don't read their comments on Ted Cruz topics.  If you ignore them, you can come to grips with the idea that President Trump will be truly amusing and the death of PC.  Come to grips that his slate of potential Supreme Court picks actually looks pretty solid.

In other words, bury the hurt feelings and ignore the fact that a sizable % of Trump people are just plain jerks.  Then vote to defeat Hillary.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 01:27:20 am
As long as you're all good with President Clinton '45.  Because that's what this will mean at the end of the day.

Suggestion:  Don't go to other forums to read what hard-core Trumpkins have to say about anything.  Don't read their comments on Ted Cruz topics.  If you ignore them, you can come to grips with the idea that President Trump will be truly amusing and the death of PC.  Come to grips that his slate of potential Supreme Court picks actually looks pretty solid.

In other words, bury the hurt feelings and ignore the fact that a sizable % of Trump people are just plain jerks.  Then vote to defeat Hillary.

You don't save a country by electing more idiots to run it. People chose to empower one such idiot this election as they chose to empower another last election. The destruction of America is 100%on their shoulders. Not those of us that stood on the principles America was built on.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 31, 2016, 01:31:31 am
It is not only about hurt feelings.  Trump is unfit to serve as President.  He is emotionally and ethically unstable, an abuse of power waiting to happen.  Hillary will be bad, but at least the Dems get the blame for her.  It would be entirely irresponsible to give Vicious, Vindictive Trump that kind of power.  Amusing?  No.  More like frightening.

Brilliantly stated.  If you support Trump now, you own everything he says and does from this day forward.  Every slur, every insult, every lie, every self-serving comment.

Dignity is the shorthand we use to determine civilized behavior.  Trump has NO dignity.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Mechanicos on May 31, 2016, 01:38:54 am
Considering the two candidates, Hillary is less damaging to conservatism (and American ethos) than Trump.  The wholesale round up of millions within a country has only been seen twice in recent history.  Both countries faired poorly afterwards.

 :bsflag:

(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/55fad9869dd7cc15008bb1ba-480/hillary-clinton-thumbs-up.jpg)

And another one exposes themselves.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: WAC on May 31, 2016, 01:44:32 am
He's a confessed man, but he  basically knows he's saying stuff just to whip up his crowds.

I'd like to think so, but I don't think he believes his own crap sandwich.  Otherwise, there are certain things he wouldn't say.

It doesn't know what it doesn't know.  It is an orangutan or maybe, a baboon.  But a great deceiver.  Perhaps The Great Deciever.


You have to remember that Trump is really and truly a narcissist, 'in the personality disorder sense'.....I didn't think he was more than a

typical narcissist of his type in the beginning, but it's been long we've been hearing and seeing him now so I have no problem saying

he is "disordered" because he's not just a narcissist.

Trump's 'ignorance' is a manifestation of his narcissism... he hasn't hardly bothered to educate himself about outside issues because,

to him, everything he says is automatically true.... Why learn about something that you 'believe' you've already mastered?.....Then he

he's told why what he's saying can't work or isn't true so he shifts...... And that is why Trump is going to have serious issues and it will

prove to be Trumps great weakness... people who claim to have expertise he has to depend on will become the enemy because they

will provide information that makes him look like a fool... Paranoia goes naturally with this disorder so for Trump, who already has

issues with "germs" and that of trust is going to get played big time by those who know he doesn't know what he's talking about.


Trump knows what he's told he should know now....and not by people who give a rats fanny if he wins or looses or both.



Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 31, 2016, 01:51:10 am

You have to remember that Trump is really and truly a narcissist, 'in the personality disorder sense'.....I didn't think he was more than a

typical narcissist of his type in the beginning, but it's been long we've been hearing and seeing him now so I have no problem saying

he is "disordered" because he's not just a narcissist.

Trump's 'ignorance' is a manifestation of his narcissism... he hasn't hardly bothered to educate himself about outside issues because,

to him, everything he says is automatically true.... Why learn about something that you 'believe' you've already mastered?.....Then he

he's told why what he's saying can't work or isn't true so he shifts...... And that is why Trump is going to have serious issues and it will

prove to be Trumps great weakness... people who claim to have expertise he has to depend on will become the enemy because they

will provide information that makes him look like a fool... Paranoia goes naturally with this disorder so for Trump, who already has

issues with "germs" and that of trust is going to get played big time by those who know he doesn't know what he's talking about.


Trump knows what he's told he should know now....and not by people who give a rats fanny if he wins or looses or both.

If Hillary were smart, she would demand to debate Trump every week, beginning the first week in September, right up until the election.

She would expose him as the ignoramus he truly is.  And he would no doubt spend plenty of time insulting and trashing her personally for showing him up.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: WAC on May 31, 2016, 01:51:33 am
You don't save a country by electing more idiots to run it. People chose to empower one such idiot this election as they chose to empower another last election. The destruction of America is 100%on their shoulders. Not those of us that stood on the principles America was built on.

Question????   If he gets the election because people won't vote for Hillary, but who don't really want to vote for Trump either as they see him as just as bad, ....how long would it take to impeach him if he screws up badly in his first weeks or months????

I ask this because that option is floating around out there.....vote him in and then impeach him out...which then makes his VP all the

more significant.


Frankly Trump will not possibly be running things if he wins......he'll be the "face" and that's about it.  The guy is one deranged individual

that cannot function as President.....and that's just a fact. So whoever he is aligned with will ake a YUGE difference.

Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 01:58:10 am
Question????   If he gets the election because people won't vote for Hillary, but who don't really want to vote for Trump either as they see him as just as bad, ....how long would it take to impeach him if he screws up badly in his first weeks or months????

I ask this because that option is floating around out there.....vote him in and then impeach him out...which then makes his VP all the

more significant.


Frankly Trump will not possibly be running things if he wins......he'll be the "face" and that's about it.  The guy is one deranged individual

that cannot function as President.....and that's just a fact. So whoever he is aligned with will ake a YUGE difference.

Trump will no more be impeached by the lesser evils than Barry was. He;ll mock them for it on TV and they will cower just like when admitted Dems mock EDIT: THEM on TV.

Hoping for impeachment is another way of ensuring his election while  lying to ourselves that, sing it with me folks...

WE'LL HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE!

No 'we' won't. 'WE' never do.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: WAC on May 31, 2016, 01:59:03 am
If Hillary were smart, she would demand to debate Trump every week, beginning the first week in September, right up until the election.

She would expose him as the ignoramus he truly is.  And he would no doubt spend plenty of time insulting and trashing her personally for showing him up.


He'll dodge that as long as he can and so won't she........regardless of them saying otherwise because they both are unfit and all those around them know this all too well....

Besides the debates will be just more shows designed to get Network ratings the media covets, and who have also set their pundents to be part of the show.

Frankly this entire election is insanity and a laughing stock to pretty much everyone......if it weren't so serious what is at stake....and I

don't think I'm too far from saying the public as a whole would prefer a show over anything concrete.

Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: WAC on May 31, 2016, 02:03:23 am
Trump will no more be impeached by the lesser evils than Barry was. He;ll mock them for it on TV and they will cower just like when admitted Dems mock EDIT: THEM on TV.

Hoping for impeachment is another way of ensuring his election while  lying to ourselves that, sing it with me folks...

WE'LL HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE!

No 'we' won't. 'WE' never do.


You're likely correct on that note....as I see it the only party controlling this election is the media......and they have become the lead player in this beyond imaginable I fear. ......Some believe they're getting ready to feast on Trump........I say this because they are still treating Hillary with kid gloves....which IMO this was all about leaving the lowest candidate standing so she can scoop up the election....
and I'm not so sure that Trump won't be glad to hand it over to her like McCain did Obama.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 02:05:52 am
I don't see where potential existed at all. You can MEASURABLY chart the increasing lurch to the left in each election since Reagan left. Thats across the board. Candidates, politicians, policies, voting, online commentary, news commentary...all of it.

A Renaissance cannot/could not happen under those conditions when the voters themselves are fueling the leftism with their voting. Couldn't then, certainly can't now. Such is the result of lesser evil/pragmatism that some of us screamed from the rooftops about for years now.
We weren't that far from nominating a conservative this year.  That may have begun a reversal of the trend.  But after four or eight years of the dictator stumpy, those of us with conservative impulses will have been purged fairly thoroughly from the Republican Party. 
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sinkspur on May 31, 2016, 02:06:12 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjk1-hDUYAAFgCZ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 02:08:49 am
Brilliantly stated.  If you support Trump now, you own everything he says and does from this day forward.  Every slur, every insult, every lie, every self-serving comment.

Dignity is the shorthand we use to determine civilized behavior.  Trump has NO dignity.
This ^^^
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Liberty Tree Dr on May 31, 2016, 02:13:33 am
Welp, Cruz could pull Texas, Romney could pull Utah, Kasich could pull Ohio, for example. Long shots, but it could happen. Depends on how strong or weak Hillary's support is.

Long shot of throwing it to the House, but very good chance of Clinton '45.  Don't let the distaste for Trumpkins color your judgment.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 02:15:15 am
Brilliantly stated.  If you support Trump now, you own everything he says and does from this day forward.  Every slur, every insult, every lie, every self-serving comment.

Dignity is the shorthand we use to determine civilized behavior.  Trump has NO dignity.
Ergo, stumpy is an uncivilized barbarian.  He belongs in ISIS.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on May 31, 2016, 02:17:02 am
Sweet Meteor O'Death ‏@smod2016 5h5 hours ago

I'm told by @BillKristol an independent candidate is certain to run, will announce this week in time to speak at the Iowa J-J dinner.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 02:17:58 am
We weren't that far from nominating a conservative this year.  That may have begun a reversal of the trend.  But after four or eight years of the dictator stumpy, those of us with conservative impulses will have been purged fairly thoroughly from the Republican Party.

I understand your point but we weren't anywhere near close enough. Look how easily all those chest beating 'patriots' just said 'oh well! and merruly jumped aboard the first cattle car on the train. It was no sweat off their back. They have all the steadfastness as a sheet of a wet kleenex.

Personally my opinion is we were purged 10 years ago. We just refused to accept that until a lot more recently. Some still have not and think they can fix' the party. I am convinced that Rinsed Penis, Mitch and the rest sit there saying to each other 'WTF do we gotta do to get rid of these people?"
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Liberty Tree Dr on May 31, 2016, 02:20:35 am
It is not only about hurt feelings.  Trump is unfit to serve as President.  He is emotionally and ethically unstable, an abuse of power waiting to happen.  Hillary will be bad, but at least the Dems get the blame for her.  It would be entirely irresponsible to give Vicious, Vindictive Trump that kind of power.  Amusing?  No.  More like frightening.
Vicious, Vindictive - two words that apply to Hillary in spades.  And that vicious and vindictive nature will be aimed squarely at YOU and ME if she wins.  And even one more loss on the SCOTUS means we're in a "no turning back" situation.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 02:41:55 am
Vicious, Vindictive - two words that apply to Hillary in spades.  And that vicious and vindictive nature will be aimed squarely at YOU and ME if she wins.  And even one more loss on the SCOTUS means we're in a "no turning back" situation.

We have been in a no turning back situation for some time. RE the supremes, Roberts already ensures the Dems get their way and he has proven it on a few big issues. It does not matter in the slightest at this point if the USSC is fully or partly controlled by the DNC because Scalia is dead and Roberts has an agenda.

Trump has gone on record throughout his life with backing liberals for the bench. At best he would appoint moderates, who will in turn side with the liberals just as today's 'moderates' do. The mere idea that a guy that thinks Oprah and his sister are candidates for the USSC pretty much assures that. And lest we forget about his much hyped 'list', he also says everything he says is negotiable and a mere suggestion.

We have ZERO reason to think, hope or insinuate he would be or act in ways contrary to his life's ultimate positions to date.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 02:42:43 am
I understand your point but we weren't anywhere near close enough. Look how easily all those chest beating 'patriots' just said 'oh well! and merruly jumped aboard the first cattle car on the train. It was no sweat off their back. They have all the steadfastness as a sheet of a wet kleenex.

Personally my opinion is we were purged 10 years ago. We just refused to accept that until a lot more recently. Some still have not and think they can fix' the party. I am convinced that Rinsed Penis, Mitch and the rest sit there saying to each other 'WTF do we gotta do to get rid of these people?"
The fact that so many rolled over so easily derives from your very next point, that people are unaware that it's over.  They say, "Wait till 2020!  We'll nominate a conservative for sure!"

But with the nomination of stumpy, the Republican ethos is being stomped out, and those of us who said, "We'll get a conservative in 2020.  This time, though, we'll vote for stumpy to deny hitlery" are going to find that there are nearly no conservatives left to vote for a conservative.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 03:02:33 am
The fact that so many rolled over so easily derives from your very next point, that people are unaware that it's over.  They say, "Wait till 2020!  We'll nominate a conservative for sure!"

But with the nomination of stumpy, the Republican ethos is being stomped out, and those of us who said, "We'll get a conservative in 2020.  This time, though, we'll vote for stumpy to deny hitlery" are going to find that there are nearly no conservatives left to vote for a conservative.

I have said every election for the last several..."Next time you'll say exactly the same thing" to those spouting the 'next year nonsense. And every year they reply the same way. "This time is different!" When esked what makes them think next time will be different than this time, they accuse me of hating America and loving...Kerry, Pelosi, George Soros, Reid, Obama, Hillary, Terry McCallufe...pick any one or all at random.

They have always been moderates at best/liberals by vote. They have had many chances to nominate and elect conservatives and instead they torpedo whatever conservative is running and elect/try to elect a liberal to 'win'

They try to WIN with known liberals. They WANT to WIN with known liberals.

And they have the gall to lie to everyone's face saying "DONTYOUDAREQUESTIONMYCONSERVAATISM!!!!!!!

Frauds. Lying POS frauds.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 03:16:03 am
I have said every election for the last several..."Next time you'll say exactly the same thing" to those spouting the 'next year nonsense. And every year they reply the same way. "This time is different!" When esked what makes them think next time will be different than this time, they accuse me of hating America and loving...Kerry, Pelosi, George Soros, Reid, Obama, Hillary, Terry McCallufe...pick any one or all at random.

They have always been moderates at best/liberals by vote. They have had many chances to nominate and elect conservatives and instead they torpedo whatever conservative is running and elect/try to elect a liberal to 'win'

They try to WIN with known liberals. They WANT to WIN with known liberals.

And they have the gall to lie to everyone's face saying "DONTYOUDAREQUESTIONMYCONSERVAATISM!!!!!!!

Frauds. Lying POS frauds.
In recent years, we haven't had many candidates who were even arguably conservative.  But this year, there were a few halfway-decent picks.

So, it's difficult to criticize the selection of Romney when the alternative is Huckabee.   Or even Santorum (for whom I voted, but whose star, nonetheless, was fading even before the primaries started).

But an actual r e al, live conservative made a competitive run for it this year.  I'm just saying, if stumpy I should elected, the party will not come close to nominating a conservative for a very long time to come as dictatorship takes hold, and republican virtues increasingly disappear.

But we've gone round and round the Bush administration bunch of times.  Suffice to say that neither of us is particularly optimistic of a future under stumpy, the single most unfit human ever to run for president.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 03:21:18 am
In recent years, we haven't had many candidates who were even arguably conservative.  But this year, there were a few halfway-decent picks.

So, it's difficult to criticize the selection of Romney when the alternative is Huckabee.   Or even Santorum (for whom I voted, but whose star, nonetheless, was fading even before the primaries started).

But an actual r e al, live conservative made a competitive run for it this year.  I'm just saying, if stumpy I should elected, the party will not come close to nominating a conservative for a very long time to come as dictatorship takes hold, and republican virtues increasingly disappear.

But we've gone round and round the Bush administration bunch of times.  Suffice to say that neither of us is particularly optimistic of a future under stumpy, the single most unfit human ever to run for president.

" it's difficult to criticize the selection of Romney when the alternative is..."

There is no scenario in the past 5 years I have yet encountered that can finish that sentence. There is no possible scenario anywhere in which a guy that profits by incinerating the dead babies his own laws as governor helped to 'get dead' in the first place, should be given leadership of America.

None.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: sitetest on May 31, 2016, 03:33:37 am
" it's difficult to criticize the selection of Romney when the alternative is..."

There is no scenario in the past 5 years I have yet encountered that can finish that sentence. There is no possible scenario anywhere in which a guy that profits by incinerating the dead babies his own laws as governor helped to 'get dead' in the first place, should be given leadership of America.

None.
Even if you say Romney is worse, there were no conservative stand-outs as we had this year.   This year was actually different.  And an actual conservative ran strong.  If stumpy wins, by 2020, the suffocating hand of stumpyism will snuff out any significant republican tendencies left in the party.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 31, 2016, 03:46:11 am
Even if you say Romney is worse, there were no conservative stand-outs as we had this year.   This year was actually different.  And an actual conservative ran strong.  If stumpy wins, by 2020, the suffocating hand of stumpyism will snuff out any significant republican tendencies left in the party.

I agree there were no standouts, however every single person on those debate stages was demonstratably more conservative than Mitt was/is. Every one. We could have nominated literally any of them and lost no more than we did.

However, had we done that, and even if that and lets say "Candidate X" lost anyway, the GOP would have taken the hit THEN, leaving us far better TODAY.

What did happen though is that we nominated Mitt, he lost, the GOP came out and said exactly the opposite of what message they were given, they further moved left, gave Obama 100% of every major issue he wanted, they attacked the conservatives running in the mid term, torpedoed them, attacked Cruz every way possible, torpedoed HIM and surprise, surprise, ensured the nomination of yet ANOTHER even FURTHER LEFT candidate that is on record as taking more sides to a given position than Kerry.

Such are the wages of refusing to stand on and vote with principle. The GOP ensured Iran got the bomb, ensured gay everything became law, ensured that Barry got every cent he wanted to push his leftist agenda and bankrupted America.

'WE" did more to advance leftism faster with our ongoing capitulating 'pragmatism' than the left could have done in 50 freaking years.
Title: Re: Bill Krystol's Tweet
Post by: TomSea on May 31, 2016, 04:18:35 am
I saw that piece at the daily caller, "you win as a team, you lose as a team".

That's the way I look at it; support whom you want but I'm not taking my bat and ball and going home.  This is all within reasonable guidelines. I can understand if one does not care for Trump, I can understand if one does not care for Trump, McCain, Romney but if it's every time, come on now.