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Title: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 01:55:14 pm
https://medium.com/bad-words/how-to-bully-people-like-donald-trump-66c3d95f039#.p2n1go4mr (https://medium.com/bad-words/how-to-bully-people-like-donald-trump-66c3d95f039#.p2n1go4mr)
Author: Umair Haque
Date: August 2015

What’s the secret behind Trump’s success? After all, the not-so-secret truth is that Trump is a mediocre businessman. But what he is is an expert negotiator. And in his Presidential campaign, Trump is using techniques honed over a lifetime. Of a very specific kind.

Trump is a bully. A classic one. But also, to give the devil his due, a sophisticated one. Let me be clear what that means. Like all bullies, he does not merely prey on his victims: he preys on us to prey on his victims. That is, like all bullies, he manipulates people’s expectations, expertly, to create the illusion that he is destined to win. And that — not leadership nor competition — is how he wins the upper hand.
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Redefine legitimacy. Trump begins with a simple technique: calling his opponents “failures” and “losers”. What is Trump trying to do? To create the perception that since his opponents have failed in some regard, they are “losers” generally: that they will fail in every regard. They simply do not possess the character or competence to get the job done (whether it’s constructing a building or being President). That perception of failure is the foundation on which all bullying is built — it lets the bully then portray the victim not just as someone they claim is weak — but as someone that is generally believed to be weak.
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Intimidate your opponents. Wait…who “proved” the bully is strong and capable? Trump calls his opponents “failures” and “losers” for a strategic reason. Not merely because they are (or not, which is besides the point). But to create the perception that everyone else already believes that they are. That is not merely debate, or enmity — but intimidation. Intimidation creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of weakness.
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Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 01:56:45 pm
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Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 02:05:06 pm
I think this article nailed several of Trump's techniques.  I found it with a search for Trumpaganda.

There has to be a psychological aspect in determining who is susceptible to these tactics.  Scott Adams had some interesting thoughts on this as well.

I find it interesting that a lot of Texans in general know the legitimacy of Cruz's record and see through these attacks in higher numbers.

Anyway, please post your thoughts.

(and please excuse the Clockwork Orange graphic at the article site if you are easily offended)

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 02:15:35 pm
Knight also liked Trump because he wasn't a real republican and he felt that he would make a great president because he had the mentality to save BILLYUNS of Americans by dropping a bomb.

I'm not disputing Truman's decision, but I found the selective perception (even with Trump's Iraq position) and what was important to the chair-thrower interesting.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 02, 2016, 02:26:20 pm
Very good article and very prescient.  This was written last August and I can imagine the author is dumbfounded that Trump has succeeded, but he has.  And he has by using the methods of a bully.

I especially liked this:

Quote
Thus, truth-telling critics are the bully’s true enemy — not the opponent. For they and they alone hold the power to defeat the bully’s clever tactics of metainfluence. And so it’s vital for those critics to be not just ignored, nor rebutted, nor, worst of all, appeased — but silenced and deterred, diminished to invisibility.

That is why Trump, unlike most political candidates, does not merely answer his critics with policy proposals — but instead quickly, and usually viciously, leaps to discredit them. The critic is portrayed as not just unreasonable, or wrong, or mistaken — but also a “loser” or a “failure”. In a different league than the contender entirely.

Trump's supporters act this way too. You are very familiar with that, having come from a site that literally drove you away because you dared tell the truth about Trump.  It's happened here, too, though to a much lesser extent because there are so few Trump followers.

Notice, Trump never takes on anybody about policy, because he can't.  He's too ignorant of policy and knows he'd get slammed.  So he attacks with ad hominems and bullying words.

Quote
Metainfluence can take you only so far. It’s like walking a tightrope. Scratch that. It’s like pointing to a tightrope stretched over a canyon, and then telling the crowd that everyone knows you can walk it the fastest. Maybe, just maybe, the crowd believes you. But suddenly, from the back, a catcall rises, and catches fire. The simple pitfall for metainfluence is this: he whom the mob crowns the mob can just as quickly jeer, scorn, and shun.

Unfortunately, the majority of Trump supporters are too invested in him at this point to risk losing face by turning away.  So, they'll march off the edge of the cliff with him. And, he will ridicule them, call them losers,  if they dare question why he didn't build that
wall or impose those tariffs.

Trump is dangerous.  We cannot support him, for any reason.  The SC is not worth risking the destruction of this country by entrusting governance to this total fool.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 02, 2016, 02:47:47 pm
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chbb9-iUgAIUgiP.jpg)
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 02:49:36 pm


Unfortunately, the majority of Trump supporters are too invested in him at this point to risk losing face by turning away.  So, they'll march off the edge of the cliff with him. And, he will ridicule them, call them losers,  if they dare question why he didn't build that
wall or impose those tariffs.

The disappointing thing to me as that his supporters won't even require to commit to a position on so many things.  He's still all over the place on many issues.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/d2YXqj3n9nSrmEAE/giphy.gif)

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Trump is dangerous.  We cannot support him, for any reason.  The SC is not worth risking the destruction of this country by entrusting governance to this total fool.

I'm not quite to the point of writing him off completely, but there are many warning signs.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: annieokie on May 02, 2016, 03:07:17 pm
Read every post and everyone is spot on, which makes it impossible to understand the Trump followers.  The Creepathon meter at $39K and is stuck on stupid as the Trump supporters are.
 
Now is the time for CRUZ to come out with a DAISY AD.  Using Trumps own words.
1. Nuclear power
2. transgender in bathrooms
3. mother who abort should be punished
4. Women in the Draft
5. (others I missed?)

This AD should be produced NOW, with that Nuclear Bomb going off once again, worked for LBJ.........

Make it Tank Shooting the guns:  no voices, just loud Booms
FIRE#1..........Boom (in the smoke is the statement)
FIRE#2..........Boom   (ditto)
FIRE #3 #4 #5  etc.,etc.,etc.
Last one should be regarding the Nuclear or women in the draft.  Yes I know, you would need a plane for the Nuclear one, so improvise. ^-^

 
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: annieokie on May 02, 2016, 03:17:06 pm
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chbb9-iUgAIUgiP.jpg)


OK, OK, I repent.   :silly: 

Thanks for posting this very profound statement, I have been looking everywhere for it.  So much to ponder in what he said, just have to figure out where to start.  Will try reading from the end and go backwards.  **nononono*   Still don't work.

Can anyone in their right mind think trump will is able to be  cognitive with other world leaders?   If ever  there was a poster child for the Peter Principle it is Trump.
 .
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 03:18:50 pm

OK, OK, I repent.   :silly: 

Thanks for posting this very profound statement, I have been looking everywhere for it.  So much to ponder in what he said, just have to figure out where to start.  Will try reading from the end and go backwards.  **nononono*   Still don't work.

Can anyone in their right mind think trump will is able to be  cognitive with other world leaders?   If ever  there was a poster child for the Peter Principle it is Trump.
 .

LOL! Ya think?
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 04:15:59 pm
Now is the time for CRUZ to come out with a DAISY AD.  Using Trumps own words.
1. Nuclear power
2. transgender in bathrooms
3. mother who abort should be punished
4. Women in the Draft
5. (others I missed?)

NSA Bulk Data collection (for your own security of course)
Ethanol Subsidies (Gov't knows best who the "winners" should be)
Eminent Domain Abuses (Casino Parking over citizens)

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 02, 2016, 04:26:04 pm
The Creepathon meter at $39K and is stuck on stupid as the Trump supporters are. 

 :nono:
 
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: annieokie on May 02, 2016, 04:40:51 pm
:nono:

Have you seen the FR padded threads lately?  Take a peek in this one   10631

@Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: annieokie on May 02, 2016, 04:46:06 pm
NSA Bulk Data collection (for your own security of course)
Ethanol Subsidies (Gov't knows best who the "winners" should be)
Eminent Domain Abuses (Casino Parking over citizens)


those are good ones......firing them off rapid fire with a very loud BOOM.  It would hopefully be enough to scare enough voters to change their minds.  :beer:    Sadly it worked for LBJ.

@DrewsDad
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: annieokie on May 02, 2016, 04:52:59 pm

LOL! Ya think?


Yeah..........poster boy for the peter principal?  you betcha.  Sure makes even Joe Biden look good about now, hate to say that but true.   

@Bigun





LOL! Ya think?
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: massadvj on May 02, 2016, 04:54:35 pm
That is the true tragedy of the bully. Not merely that they prey on their victims. Nor merely that they prey on us to prey on their victims. But that in creating social ecologies of predator and prey, they diminish and reduce us, to stunted caricatures of our better selves.

This is the gist of it.  Using Freudian terminology, Trump is cotton candy for the id.  He appeals to the reptile brain and its instinct toward aggression, by using the simplest possible language and appealing to the basest of our inclinations.  Trump browbeats the super-ego into submission through intimidation and threats.  For those of us who have spent our lifetimes trying to elevate the civilization through education, it is disheartening to see. 

Trump's success is a direct result of the massive dumbing-down of our society, and its burgeoning and predictable requisite need for a tyrant.

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 05:03:49 pm
That is the true tragedy of the bully. Not merely that they prey on their victims. Nor merely that they prey on us to prey on their victims. But that in creating social ecologies of predator and prey, they diminish and reduce us, to stunted caricatures of our better selves.

This is the gist of it.  Using Freudian terminology, Trump is cotton candy for the id.  He appeals to the reptile brain and its instinct toward aggression, by using the simplest possible language and appealing to the basest of our inclinations.  Trump browbeats the super-ego into submission through intimidation and threats.  For those of us who have spent our lifetimes trying to elevate the civilization through education, it is disheartening to see. 

Trump's success is a direct result of the massive dumbing-down of our society, and its burgeoning and predictable requisite need for a tyrant.

“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. “


Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775


“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”


John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776


Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: massadvj on May 02, 2016, 05:13:23 pm

“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”


John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776

I liked both of these quotes, Earl, but the second one struck me as particularly prescient because I think the society has become slothful, lazy and undisciplined.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: NavyCanDo on May 02, 2016, 05:17:30 pm
Trump is far more schooled in the socialist Saul Alninski's 12 Rules for Radicals, spelled out in his book Rules for Radicals than Obama ever was. Obama is familiar the book, but in comparison to Trump he is still in first grade, where Trump has graduated with a doctorate in comparison.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: montanajoe on May 02, 2016, 05:22:58 pm
"what the hell do I know about issues"

Pretty much not only sums up Trump and some of his supporters but a significant number of Americans on the left and the right as well. Being informed takes work and far to many of our fellow citizens are just to damn lazy to bother.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 05:22:59 pm
I liked both of these quotes, Earl, but the second one struck me as particularly prescient because I think the society has become slothful, lazy and undisciplined.

NO doubt about it!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 05:23:51 pm
Trump is far more schooled in the socialist Saul Alninski's 12 Rules for Radicals, spelled out in his book Rules for Radicals than Obama ever was. Obama is familiar the book, but in comparison to Trump he is still in first grade, where Trump has graduated with a doctorate in comparison.

 :amen:  :beer:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 05:45:58 pm
WOW!  They were very wise men.  Here we are in 2016, that "rotten materials" trying to be held together by a great Constitution which too many of the people hate and to many others do not understand.

Exactly so! Sad but true!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: alicewonders on May 02, 2016, 06:01:14 pm
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 02, 2016, 06:06:59 pm

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

We'll see in November...............
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: flowers on May 02, 2016, 06:10:18 pm
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
:hands:  Besides Cruz who was born in Canada whose wife Heidi  who worked at Goldman Sachs just said he was a immigrant. Cruz not eligible and if he is nominee Hillary and the media will take him out. Not to mention iCarly, look what they did to her in California when she ran for senate. They crushed her.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: andy58-in-nh on May 02, 2016, 06:19:19 pm
I could not have imagined better examples of what neurolinguistic programming of the kind described in this very intelligent article does to people than what the pro-Trumps have posted here themselves.

It blinds them to the reality of their own manipulation, makes them automatically assume the validity of whatever notions have been implanted in their heads rather than arrived at by logical processes, and just as automatically causes them to regurgitate the attitudes and assumptions they have been provided by the manipulator.

And that is why Donald Trump scares the hell out of me - he seems to turn otherwise smart people into robotic, mocking bullies who all wind up sounding just like him.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: alicewonders on May 02, 2016, 06:27:23 pm
I could not have imagined better examples of what neurolinguistic programming of the kind described in this very intelligent article does to people than what the pro-Trumps have posted here themselves.

It blinds them to the reality of their own manipulation, makes them automatically assume the validity of whatever notions have been implanted in their heads rather than arrived at by logical processes, and just as automatically causes them to regurgitate the attitudes and assumptions they have been provided by the manipulator.

And that is why Donald Trump scares the hell out of me - he seems to turn otherwise smart people into robotic, mocking bullies who all wind up sounding just like him.

Gosh, you talk like your candidate too - three paragraphs to slog through what Trump could have said in one sentence. 

 :yawn2:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 02, 2016, 06:27:35 pm
I could not have imagined better examples of what neurolinguistic programming of the kind described in this very intelligent article does to people than what the pro-Trumps have posted here themselves.

It blinds them to the reality of their own manipulation, makes them automatically assume the validity of whatever notions have been implanted in their heads rather than arrived at by logical processes, and just as automatically causes them to regurgitate the attitudes and assumptions they have been provided by the manipulator.

And that is why Donald Trump scares the hell out of me - he seems to turn otherwise smart people into robotic, mocking bullies who all wind up sounding just like him.

Trump makes the unacceptable acceptable in his followers and encourages them to disown every previous value they've held dear.

It profits us nothing to sell our souls for the world, but for Trump?  Lots of cheap dates in the Trumpkins.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 02, 2016, 06:37:53 pm
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

@alicewonders

 :hands:    :hands:

(http://i.imgur.com/uHyBD5v.jpg)

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 06:40:08 pm
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Do you have Adonis DNA and tiger blood in your veins, too? Or is that just the HIV talking?

You sound like Charlie flippin' Sheen.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 06:42:46 pm
:hands:  Besides Cruz who was born in Canada whose wife Heidi  who worked at Goldman Sachs just said he was a immigrant. Cruz not eligible and if he is nominee Hillary and the media will take him out. Not to mention iCarly, look what they did to her in California when she ran for senate. They crushed her.
Ooh, the most conservative man in the entire U.S. Senate had a wife that worked for Da Banksterz! (redaction noted--sorry. JMF)

If you want to talk like that, go vote for Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 06:57:36 pm
Do you have Adonis DNA and tiger blood in your veins, too? Or is that just the HIV talking?

You sound like Charlie flippin' Sheen.

What kind of disgusting vulgar question is that? Are you an example of what Cruz is like?
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 07:00:49 pm
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

I don't hear any fat lady singing! in fact I don't even hear her warming up!

Glad to see you out of your little hidey hole!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: alicewonders on May 02, 2016, 07:05:20 pm
Do you have Adonis DNA and tiger blood in your veins, too? Or is that just the HIV talking?

You sound like Charlie flippin' Sheen.

WINNING!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Mod1 on May 02, 2016, 07:05:45 pm
Everyone take a breath and lose the insults.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: mystery-ak on May 02, 2016, 07:06:09 pm
Stop the personal attacks or I will close this once good thread down
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: alicewonders on May 02, 2016, 07:08:17 pm
I don't hear any fat lady singing! in fact I don't even hear her warming up!

Glad to see you out of your little hidey hole!

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/7/8655038_0626ad55af_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 07:08:27 pm
What kind of disgusting vulgar question is that? Are you an example of what Cruz is like?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sheen#Meltdown

In 2011, Charlie Sheen left the TV show Two and a Half Men (a big hit for him) and went on this long rant about how he was "winning" all the time and had Adonis DNA and tiger blood; not that indifferent to the kinds of speeches Donald Trump is making now. He even went on a "victory tour" and called the producer who fired him nasty names, often with anti-Semitic overtones.

A few years later he found out he was HIV-positive.

I'm sorry the pop-culture reference went over your head.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 02, 2016, 07:09:17 pm
WINNING!

Perfect!!  :beer:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: andy58-in-nh on May 02, 2016, 07:13:42 pm
Gosh, you talk like your candidate too - three paragraphs to slog through what Trump could have said in one sentence. 

 :yawn2:

Donald Trump can't think beyond one sentence, and that sentence usually is "You're a failure and a loser!!!" because as he's discovered: that's all he needs. Because he's a winner and you're not.

What a piece of trash he is.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 07:17:29 pm
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/7/8655038_0626ad55af_z.jpg?zz=1)

Yep! In Cleveland this July!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 02, 2016, 07:18:24 pm
Donald Trump can't think beyond one sentence, and that sentence usually is "You're a failure and a loser!!!" because as he's discovered: that's all he needs. Because he's a winner and you're not.

What a piece of trash he is.

100% USDA Choice!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 02, 2016, 07:19:17 pm
Donald Trump can't think beyond one sentence, and that sentence usually is "You're a failure and a loser!!!" because as he's discovered: that's all he needs. Because he's a winner and you're not.

What a piece of trash he is.

Mr. Trump reacts for all of us: 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgxyK1eU4AAA1H3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 07:21:14 pm
I'm glad you see the moral collapse of this once-great nation is something worth laughing about, RiV.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 07:22:32 pm
Mr. Trump reacts for all of us: 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgxyK1eU4AAA1H3.jpg)




#NeverTrump



Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 07:47:29 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sheen#Meltdown

In 2011, Charlie Sheen left the TV show Two and a Half Men (a big hit for him) and went on this long rant about how he was "winning" all the time and had Adonis DNA and tiger blood; not that indifferent to the kinds of speeches Donald Trump is making now. He even went on a "victory tour" and called the producer who fired him nasty names, often with anti-Semitic overtones.

A few years later he found out he was HIV-positive.

I'm sorry the pop-culture reference went over your head.

Your pop-culture BS doesn't impress me.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 07:52:26 pm
Your pop-culture BS doesn't impress me.
I seriously doubt anything ever will.

But bless your heart.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 09:54:52 pm
Stop the personal attacks or I will close this once good thread down
Sorry, it got out of hand, but it sort of illustrates the point of the article.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: LonestarDream on May 02, 2016, 10:15:06 pm
Like the little boy that said 'Cruz Sucks' .  Heard that one on Rush today.


Sorry, it got out of hand, but it sort of illustrates the point of the article.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 02, 2016, 11:14:46 pm
Like the little boy that said 'Cruz Sucks' .  Heard that one on Rush today.

400+ posts?

LonestarDream, you registered the same time as I did and you really hit the ground running.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: LonestarDream on May 02, 2016, 11:24:04 pm
400+ posts?

LonestarDream, you registered the same time as I did and you really hit the ground running.


Most of that is the welcome thread and the pa delegate analysis thread.

Mostly concerned that old friends get back together
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 03, 2016, 12:04:57 am
I'm glad you see the moral collapse of this once-great nation is something worth laughing about, RiV.

So... do you like the picture?  I think it's fabulous!! 
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 12:07:49 am
So... do you like the picture?  I think it's fabulous!!
No.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 12:08:13 am
So... do you like the picture?  I think it's fabulous!!

Trump and his H1-B import.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: LonestarDream on May 03, 2016, 03:05:45 am
Since you asked, feel free to comment on the PA delegate thread.

 http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203475.0.html

400+ posts?

LonestarDream, you registered the same time as I did and you really hit the ground running.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on May 03, 2016, 04:37:14 am
That is the true tragedy of the bully. Not merely that they prey on their victims. Nor merely that they prey on us to prey on their victims. But that in creating social ecologies of predator and prey, they diminish and reduce us, to stunted caricatures of our better selves.

This is the gist of it.  Using Freudian terminology, Trump is cotton candy for the id.  He appeals to the reptile brain and its instinct toward aggression, by using the simplest possible language and appealing to the basest of our inclinations.  Trump browbeats the super-ego into submission through intimidation and threats.  For those of us who have spent our lifetimes trying to elevate the civilization through education, it is disheartening to see. 

Trump's success is a direct result of the massive dumbing-down of our society, and its burgeoning and predictable requisite need for a tyrant.

Thank you. Trump hasn't tapped into anger, he has fomented an irrational anger that is giving way to hate.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 05:16:16 am
Thank you. Trump hasn't tapped into anger, he has fomented an irrational anger that is giving way to hate.

I'm a Trump supporter, one of the few remaining here and I don't hate.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: washi on May 03, 2016, 06:16:12 am
Boy, you Cruzers sure are smart!  That's why you're WINNING!......oh....wait....

Keep it up with your insults and your breathtaking tone-deafedness - it just makes Trump go higher and higher!  Woo-Hoo!!!

Pretty soon - he'll have enough numbers to go to the convention and win on the first ballot.  We don't need no stinkin' second ballots!!

Cruz is crashing - watch him while you can - you might not get too many more chances to see him before he and Glenn Beck go off together for a much needed "rest".  Someplace with lots of Cheetos and someone will always help pick you up when you fall.....a happy place!

Make comments about my intelligence all y'all want to - because I'm a Trump supporter - but, at least I know how to pick a winner!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

I think this pretty much proves the article's point.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Nickname on May 03, 2016, 08:02:01 am
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:


The person who invents a Trump Decoder Ring will be RICH!
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Emjay on May 03, 2016, 09:05:28 am
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chbb9-iUgAIUgiP.jpg)

That quote is so typical of Trump speak.  No wonder he won't debate Cruz.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 09:18:00 am
That quote is so typical of Trump speak.  No wonder he won't debate Cruz.

A good speaker doesn't necessarily equate to a good leader, motivator or POTUS. There are plenty of silver-tongued lawyers, con men and politicians.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: ScottinVA on May 03, 2016, 09:39:33 am
Notice, Trump never takes on anybody about policy, because he can't.

I completely agree, and that lack of policy understanding will most unfortunately become manifest when Her Infernal Malevolence exposes him during the debates.  That was where Cruz fell short... he should have directly challenged Trump to actually give some definitive details of how he thinks he's going to build the wall, deport the illegals and ban muslims when approval and funding appropriations must pass muster in a far less friendly House and what very likely will be a Chuck Shumer-led Senate.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 09:46:19 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/yes-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: ScottinVA on May 03, 2016, 11:01:58 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/yes-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/

How Dole can win - 1996

http://thedartmouth.com/1996/10/23/how-dole-can-win/

How McCain can win - 2008 (A "lock," even!)

http://www.redstate.com/diary/Dan_Perrin/2008/10/28/the-seven-reasons-mccain-palin-are-a-lock-to/

How Romney can win - 2012

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9553768/Analysis-How-Mitt-Romney-can-win.html


Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 11:10:34 am
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/michael-savage-obama-will-sabotage-economy-on-way-out/

Savage cited the new Rasmussen poll of likely voters showing Trump with a 41-39 lead over Clinton nationally.

“And this is only an early poll,” Savage noted on his show Monday. “I said a long time ago that when it comes down to Trump vs. Clinton, he would win by a landslide, 60-40, 59-41, something like that.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/michael-savage-obama-will-sabotage-economy-on-way-out/#UjrfGxvRSjrEqIvf.99
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Neverdul on May 03, 2016, 11:22:21 am
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:

That reminds me of something President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would say.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Bigun on May 03, 2016, 12:43:48 pm
That reminds me of something President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would say.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!  :beer:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 03, 2016, 03:25:33 pm
Savage cited the new Rasmussen poll of likely voters showing Trump with a 41-39 lead over Clinton nationally.
The Rasmussen poll looks like an outlier for now with Trump still down by an average of 6.2 points. 
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html)
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 03:33:53 pm
The Rasmussen poll looks like an outlier for now with Trump still down by an average of 6.2 points. 
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html)

Rasmussen is notoriously unreliable these days:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204593.0.html
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 07:16:42 pm
Rasmussen is notoriously unreliable these days:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204593.0.html

To you, any poll showing Trump leading is unreliable.  :silly: Get used to President Trump.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: flowers on May 03, 2016, 07:22:30 pm
To you, any poll showing Trump leading is unreliable.  :silly: Get used to President Trump.
Dang you didn't get that last memo I see. Any poll helping Trump is not a valid site.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 07:25:38 pm
To you, any poll showing Trump leading is unreliable.  :silly: Get used to President Trump.

As you can see from the examples provided (if you bothered to click the link), Rasmussen has been unreliable for a very long time.  Their methodolgy is questionable.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 07:52:22 pm
As you can see from the examples provided (if you bothered to click the link), Rasmussen has been unreliable for a very long time.  Their methodolgy is questionable.

Any poll showing Trump leading, close or gaining is unreliable to the anti/neverTrumps. 
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 04, 2016, 05:09:47 am
This is for all the anti-Trumpers here who think the Donald doesn't have a specific and detailed jobs plan:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chbb9-iUgAIUgiP.jpg)

Isn't that nuts?  That is what he says about everything.  Nothing and people flock to their god.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: A-Lert on May 04, 2016, 05:34:34 am
  Nothing and people flock to their god.

That you even post something that outrageous is NUTS.
Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: DrewsDad on May 04, 2016, 03:05:27 pm
That you even post something that outrageous is NUTS.

I don't see the statement as outrageous when their new standard for conservatism and truth is whatever Trump says despite all of his distortions and attacks on others.
There are a whole lot of warning signs with Trump and the army of blind followers is just one of them.

Title: Re: The Four Principles of Trumpaganda
Post by: austingirl on May 04, 2016, 03:13:59 pm
I could not have imagined better examples of what neurolinguistic programming of the kind described in this very intelligent article does to people than what the pro-Trumps have posted here themselves.

It blinds them to the reality of their own manipulation, makes them automatically assume the validity of whatever notions have been implanted in their heads rather than arrived at by logical processes, and just as automatically causes them to regurgitate the attitudes and assumptions they have been provided by the manipulator.

And that is why Donald Trump scares the hell out of me - he seems to turn otherwise smart people into robotic, mocking bullies who all wind up sounding just like him.

Neurolinguistics was used very effectively by Obama and other cults of personality. Those who are susceptible are looking for an authoritarian figure. History has shown how devastating these cults are.