The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: ABX on April 27, 2016, 05:14:09 pm
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For the last eight years I’ve been shaking my head, simply bewildered that so many Americans could be so insane as to vote for Barack Obama for president. Not surprisingly, once Obama was ensconced in the White House things played out pretty much as predicted with virtually every month bringing new news of a faltering economy, a shrinking workforce and more government waste, intervention and tyranny. In 2012, after Fast and Furious, the IRS Tea Party scandal, Obamacare and, most of all, Benghazi, I was sure that Americans would rise up and throw out the anti American Obama and vote for the less than conservative, but exponentially superior Mittens Romney. Alas, the population spoke, and they doubled down on the fascist living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I was certain that year that if only a real conservative who could eloquently articulate the basic tenants of small government and fiscal responsibility had run he would have won by a landslide. After all, wasn’t it obvious that Barack Obama was the worst president in American history and the Democrats were rapidly devolving into open Socialism?....
http://www.floppingaces.net/2016/04/27/a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it-donald-trump-and-the-tyranny-of-the-mob/
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:amen:
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If the threat of mob violence and anarchy are enough to do away with the rules when Trump has nothing but a vocal minority of GOP voters on his side, what chance do Constitutional restraints on government have when he is in charge of the entire government infrastructure?
Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap. Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints. I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.
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Trump is as much a cult of personality as Zero. His followers are equally blind to reason and Trump's varying and contradictory positions on issues. They are looking to a self-promoting reality TV star and businessman with a questionable record, who is as much of an authoritarian as Zero, to save the Republic. I can hear the shouts of "You're fired!" from the White House if we are so unfortunate to get President Trump. Hoping and praying the Midwest and West save us from this fate. Of course, I seriously doubt he could defeat Hitlery.
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Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap. Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints. I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.
:bsflag: The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.
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:bsflag: The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.
And you believe all that? Then you're a fool - a shameless fool, but still a fool.
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And you believe all that? Then you're a fool - a shameless fool, but still a fool.
Your opinion of me is worth zero, just like your candidate. LOSER!
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:bsflag: The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.
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Trump, the candidate with the most to lose if he isn't a good POTUS.
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Good editorial AbaraXas. Thanx for posting it.
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What bothers me the most is the open disdain Trump and so many of his supporters (not all) seem to have for reasoned argument, and particularly, the vehemence with which some of them attack those who are educated. One thing I learned in the military is that it is horribly wrong to look down on someone because they lack education - some of my enlisted Marines were among the sharpest, highest-quality individuals I've ever known. But it is perhaps even worse to look down on someone precisely because they are educated. They seem to hate the "fancy-talking elites" with a true passion, as if being able to write a coherent paragraph is evidence of some moral failing. It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
Don't worry. Trump will do our thinking for us. He has great words and great thoughts too. A new cultural revolution is upon us. ^-^
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What bothers me the most is the open disdain Trump and so many of his supporters (not all) seem to have for reasoned argument, and particularly, the vehemence with which some of them attack those who are educated. One thing I learned in the military is that it is horribly wrong to look down on someone because they lack education - some of my enlisted Marines were among the sharpest, highest-quality individuals I've ever known. But it is perhaps even worse to look down on someone precisely because they are educated. They seem to hate the "fancy-talking elites" with a true passion, as if being able to write a coherent paragraph is evidence of some moral failing. It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
Funny, the anti-Trumps were just critical here recently of Trump for him referring to his "uneducated supporters". As you are well aware, being educated doesn't necessarily translate to common sense and "smarts".
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What bothers me the most is the open disdain Trump and so many of his supporters (not all) seem to have for reasoned argument, and particularly, the vehemence with which some of them attack those who are educated. One thing I learned in the military is that it is horribly wrong to look down on someone because they lack education - some of my enlisted Marines were among the sharpest, highest-quality individuals I've ever known. But it is perhaps even worse to look down on someone precisely because they are educated. They seem to hate the "fancy-talking elites" with a true passion, as if being able to write a coherent paragraph is evidence of some moral failing. It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
In addition to the disdain for "larnin'" there's also the fact that Trump appeals bluntly to emotion - that is, after all, the core element of his "truthful hyperbole" doctrine - and so you have to be emotionally committed to be a Trump supporter. This can become a vicious circle because emotions are much more of a tribal thing than is reasoned argument, and people who are operating on the emotional rather than the intellectual level can "smell out" dissidents and non-believers very quickly, and when they do they respond to them emotionally, not intellectually. Hence the phenomenon of virulent emotional attacks by so many STrumpets.
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I understand the attraction to the Trump candidacy. I think the commonality we all have is not only our disgust with the GOP establishment but the general direction of the country.
If you vote for Trump out of pragmatism(keep Hillary out of the White House) and nothing more, that's separate from when people change or compromise their deeply held principles to excuse Trump's slow drift leftward. One can vote for a candidate and still be critical of that individual or disagree on issues. One shouldn't become a sycophant
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Funny, the anti-Trumps were just critical here recently of Trump for him referring to his "uneducated supporters". As you are well aware, being educated doesn't necessarily translate to common sense and "smarts".
Because he was referring to them dismissively; i.e., he was looking down his nose at them. But to an emotionally committed follower that is not only acceptable but expected because it validates the followers belief that the "leader" is worth following precisely because he's better than - more capable than - his followers. this is, of course, a core attribute of cults of personality.
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Funny, the anti-Trumps were just critical here recently of Trump for him referring to his "uneducated supporters". As you are well aware, being educated doesn't necessarily translate to common sense and "smarts".
Pol Pot went after the educated as well.
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Funny, the anti-Trumps were just critical here recently of Trump for him referring to his "uneducated supporters". As you are well aware, being educated doesn't necessarily translate to common sense and "smarts".
It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"
I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him from time to time and have a little more skepticism.
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Because he was referring to them dismissively; i.e., he was looking down his nose at them. But to an emotionally committed follower that is not only acceptable but expected because it validates the followers belief that the "leader" is worth following precisely because he's better than - more capable than - his followers. this is, of course, a core attribute of cults of personality.
IYO only. I happen to believe it was a sarcastic remark. It's plain to see the feeling of superiority of the anti-Trumps on this forum. Most of us Trump supporters have been denigrated and insulted; fools, dupes, idiots, dumbasses, Aholes, cultists, etc.
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Pol Pot went after the educated as well.
And Hitler was a Christian. What's your point?
Here's my point. Pol Pot has as much in common with Trump as Hitler does with Cruz...which in both cases, is nuthin'. So clearly, throwing out a name like Pol Pot is intellectually dishonest, and a rather pathetic way to assert an argument. The Anti-Trumps in this thread are going on and on about how education is looked down on by Trump...and then they make dumbass comparisons like the one I cite here. Hypocrites of the first order.
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And Hitler was a Christian. What's your point?
Hitler was NOT a Christian. He was into pagan ancestor worship and considered Christianity a "gutter religion".
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It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"
I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him from time to time and have a little more skepticism.
Yes, as a sarcastic reply to all the "highly educated" politicians who have gotten us to where we are today. $19 trillion in debt.
More would probably be critical, but find it unnecessary as the anti-Trumps do such a herculean job.
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Trump called his supporters stupid when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support
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Hitler was NOT a Christian. He was into pagan ancestor worship and considered Christianity a "gutter religion".
Later in life, sure. But he was baptized, confirmed and raised in the Catholic tradition.As Fuhrer, he spoke repeatedly of his love for "positive Christianity"
But that misses the point, really...which is the absurdity of comparing to such disparate things as Hitler-Cruz and PolPot-Trump. Idiocy of the highest magnitude.
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I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him from time to time and have a little more skepticism.
I think that's fair. However, a willful failure to approach one's beliefs critically is not a sign of intellectualism, or curiosity. It's not "stupid", but the present circumstances it is something much darker.
It's a bit like rooting for a sports team. Loyalty to the team, and defensiveness toward others fans' criticism, keeps one from recognizing those flaws which could lead to disaster. "Fan" of course, is derived from "fanatic", and Trumpsters tend to exhibit traits of fanaticism. And both the worlds of sports and politics have occasionally been marred by mob violence.
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Trump called his supporters stupid when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support
No, not at all. You just don't understand hyperbole. He used reduction ad absurdam...a time honored means of making a point. Only an idiot takes that literally, and then assumes those who do not take it literally are the real idiots.
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Exactly -- that's what makes it so frustrating when you try to engage them on issues. As soon as you try applying logic even to ask questions, you get a response that it virtually all emotion. So there's really no place for disagreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_%28psychology%29
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I think that's fair. However, a willful failure to approach one's beliefs critically is not a sign of intellectualism, or curiosity. It's not "stupid", but the present circumstances it is something much darker.
It's a bit like rooting for a sports team. Loyalty to the team, and defensiveness toward others fans' criticism, keeps one from recognizing those flaws which could lead to disaster. "Fan" of course, is derived from "fanatic", and Cruzians tend to exhibit traits of fanaticism. And both the worlds of sports and politics have occasionally been marred by mob violence.
Good gravy, man!!!
You've just PERFECTLY described the Anti-Trump movement.
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Trump called his supporters stupid when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support
I'd agree, although it may be more precise to say that he was boasting of himself as his supporters' shepherd.
He thinks his supporters are sheep, not stupid. But of course that begs the question - is it stupid to be a sheep?
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Trump called his supporters stupid when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support
What is it about hyperbole and figures of speech that you don't understand?
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It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
After the first year or two of using the guillotine on royalty and the upper middle class, the peasants figure out they went too far. By then, it's too late.
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I'd agree, although it may be more precise to say that he was boasting of himself as his supporters' shepherd.
He thinks his supporters are sheep, not stupid. But of course that begs the question - is it stupid to be a sheep?
Or...alternately. He understands that he is the ONLY one effectively voicing the anger and frustration his supporters feel over the corruption and failure that riddle both our party and our government. As such, he knows he has the loyalty of those supporters.
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I'd agree, although it may be more precise to say that he was boasting of himself as his supporters' shepherd.
He thinks his supporters are sheep, not stupid. But of course that begs the question - is it stupid to be a sheep?
Since you are claiming to know what Trump thinks, please tell us what he thinks of the claims that Hillary is a friend.
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Good gravy, man!!!
You've just PERFECTLY described the Anti-Trump movement.
You changed my words while retaining them in quotes under my attribution. That's dishonest.
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And Hitler was a Christian. What's your point?
Here's my point. Pol Pot has as much in common with Trump as Hitler does with Cruz...which in both cases, is nuthin'. So clearly, throwing out a name like Pol Pot is intellectually dishonest, and a rather pathetic way to assert an argument. The Anti-Trumps in this thread are going on and on about how education is looked down on by Trump...and then they make dumbass comparisons like the one I cite here. Hypocrites of the first order.
Pol Pot and all those others initially gained power through the cult of personality. Trumps supporters don't care what he does and they'll attack anyone who dares to utter a negative word. Just like you've done here.
Trump talks at a 4th grade level. Its not because he's dumb.
BTW, I'm not a "dumbass" or a "hypocrite". I just don't think Trump is a good choice. But thanks for being the first poster here to call me names because you were too ignorant to stop and think.
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Lol...
Two things will manifest themselves over time assuming Trump wins the presidency
Either those of us who don't support Trump will be proven right about him and the results of us being right will be a disaster for years to come
Or
We will be proven wrong and will be compelled to back his re election and become his biggest defenders at that point while the egg runs down our faces
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What bothers me the most is the open disdain Trump and so many of his supporters (not all) seem to have for reasoned argument, and particularly, the vehemence with which some of them attack those who are educated. One thing I learned in the military is that it is horribly wrong to look down on someone because they lack education - some of my enlisted Marines were among the sharpest, highest-quality individuals I've ever known. But it is perhaps even worse to look down on someone precisely because they are educated. They seem to hate the "fancy-talking elites" with a true passion, as if being able to write a coherent paragraph is evidence of some moral failing. It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
It is not clear what your point is, but one of the main put-downs of Trump's supporters, is that they are low information, and uneducated.
I can name several that have self-exiled themselves from this site, after being here for years. They grew tired of the put downs. That includes one with a PhD, one a doctor, and others with multiple degrees and professional qualifications.
Cruz and Kasich are now the candidates of the elites, the banks, the political pros, like Rove etc.
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You changed my words while retaining them in quotes under my attribution. That's dishonest.
Nope. It would only be dishonest if I did it without making it clear what I was doing. Thus the bolded word that was changed. So you may dislike it, but it was quite honest and I was quite clear that I changed the name Trump to Cruz. And the larger point stands, that the description is the most apt one yet on this site for the Anti-Trump crowd.
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Exactly -- that's what makes it so frustrating when you try to engage them on issues. As soon as you try applying logic even to ask questions, you get a response that it virtually all emotion. So there's really no place for disagreement.
Engage me on an issue. I suggest any or all of the following:
1. Suspending muslim immigration like Trump said, pending better understanding of the situation. San Bernardino, 14 Dead.
2. Better border security like Trump said, so women in San Francisco, sanctuary city, are not gunned down by people that were deported multiple times. One Dead.
3. Abortion exceptions for rape, incest. Cruz expects women to vote for him, yet if they are raped he wants it to be illegal for them to abort the product of rape.
Plenty of Californians will take Trump's side, trust me. (Carly is thus far, a two time loser in politics, and believed by many vocal folks, to have laid off tens of thousands, before she got herself canned at HP--California.)
Engage away.
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Pol Pot and all those others initially gained power through the cult of personality. Trumps supporters don't care what he does and they'll attack anyone who dares to utter a negative word. Just like you've done here.
Trump talks at a 4th grade level. Its not because he's dumb.
BTW, I'm not a "dumbass" or a "hypocrite". I just don't think Trump is a good choice. But thanks for being the first poster here to call me names because you were too ignorant to stop and think.
You must be joking. After you've compared us to the followers of Pol Pot, and stated that Trump talks down to us at a 4th grade level...the obvious implication being that he does this so we can understand him....and then you complain about name calling? You got a lot of gall.
The continuous stream of Anti-Trump board members proclaiming that Trump followers are dupes, ignorant and angry, blinded by devotion and generally delusional is never ending on the board. So we know all about name calling. We are the ones ATTEMPTING to bring an actual discussion of ACTUAL issues to the board...heck, you folks have chased most of the pro-Trump posters off the board and into the TCG group, and you haven't done it by being polite.
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Hitler was NOT a Christian. He was into pagan ancestor worship and considered Christianity a "gutter religion".
The argument that Hitler was a Christian is a leftist lie.
Consider the source..........
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The argument that Hitler was a Christian is a leftist lie.
Consider the source..........
OK. Which part of what I said was incorrect.
1) The part where I said he was baptized in the Catholic Church.
2) The part where I said he was confirmed in the Catholic Church.
3) Hitler repeatedly called for "positive" Christianity in numerous speeches.
I'll await your refutation...or is this just another of your "make it up" and hope its right moments.
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OK. Which part of what I said was incorrect.
1) The part where I said he was baptized in the Catholic Church.
2) The part where I said he was confirmed in the Catholic Church.
3) Hitler repeatedly called for "positive" Christianity in numerous speeches.
I'll await your refutation...or is this just another of your "make it up" and hope its right moments.
The religious views of Adolf Hitler are a matter of debate, with a consensus of scholars agreeing that Hitler was not a Christian and was skeptical of religion generally. According to Alan Bullock, Hitler was a rationalist and materialist "who believed neither in God nor in conscience".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
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"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."
What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
And your citation agrees with me as expected...I said later in life he was not a Christian. He was throughout his youth (baptism, confirmation, in WWI)...so yes, he WAS a Christian. AS I asserted. AND into his early years as Fuhrer, he continued to call for...again as I said..."positive" Christianity. So, you've failed utterly to refute all 3 points I made and highlighted above...you did little more than cite something that is irrelevant as it goes to his later/ultimate perspective on religion, not his earlier Christianity.
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"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."
What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?
...Just right off the bat ...better than anything Trump has stated!
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And Hitler was a Christian. What's your point?
Here's my point. Pol Pot has as much in common with Trump as Hitler does with Cruz...which in both cases, is nuthin'. So clearly, throwing out a name like Pol Pot is intellectually dishonest, and a rather pathetic way to assert an argument. The Anti-Trumps in this thread are going on and on about how education is looked down on by Trump...and then they make dumbass comparisons like the one I cite here. Hypocrites of the first order.
Hitler was not a Christian. Where did you get that? Trump isn't a Christian either
“Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn’t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 343-344
“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 62
“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 51
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Hitler was not a Christian. Where did you get that? Trump isn't a Christian either
“Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn’t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 343-344
“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 62
“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 51
In his youth, and early adulthood...he was. Catholic, to be precise.
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The Trump get-together in Indianapolis looks like a rousing success:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw)
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And your citation agrees with me as expected...I said later in life he was not a Christian. He was throughout his youth (baptism, confirmation, in WWI)...so yes, he WAS a Christian. AS I asserted. AND into his early years as Fuhrer, he continued to call for...again as I said..."positive" Christianity. So, you've failed utterly to refute all 3 points I made and highlighted above...you did little more than cite something that is irrelevant as it goes to his later/ultimate perspective on religion, not his earlier Christianity.
He was not a Christian. Lots of Catholics get baptized, confirmed and then never do anything else. So I DID refute your SWAG from an actual source. A source that proves Hitler, in his influential time as leader, was anti-Christianity.
All we have from you are your assertions.
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What is it about hyperbole and figures of speech that you don't understand?
It wasn't hyperbole. He was speaking - almost amazed - of the level of slavish adoration he observed.
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The reality is that a lot of his supporters (again, not all) have come to identify with him. They love it when he engages in "plain speaking" (i.e., insults),
Trump's "plain speaking" goes well beyond "insults". Trump does the best damn job explaining economics, the relationships between corporate inversion, NAFTA, TPP, and job creation.
Trump's "plain speaking" explains not only that NAFTA is obsolete, but why and how we can and should change it.
Trump's "plain speaking" resonates because a nation without secure borders will not be a nation for long.
Trump's "plain speaking" explains why we need to replace Obamacare, CommonCore and the best replacements for both.
Trump's "plain speaking" has put political correctness on the chopping block--and those who hear him understand why.
Trump's "plain speaking" does not differentiate between young and old, rich and poor, white, black, red or green. Trump's "plain speaking" invites all to join in making America Great Again and be its beneficiary.
I post links to live streams of Donald Trump's almost daily rallies. I invite you to click on one of those links and listen to him. Just sit back and listen to him....you don't even have to tell anyone you're doing it. You'll hear political red meat, for sure. But you'll also hear clear answers to what is destroying this nation from the inside out.
Listening to him will also help you understand why Trump's "plain speaking" is just one of the gifts his competition wishes they were blessed with.
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Trump's "plain speaking" goes well beyond "insults". Trump does the best damn job explaining economics, the relationships between corporate inversion, NAFTA, TPP, and job creation.
Trump's "plain speaking" explains not only that NAFTA is obsolete, but why and how we can and should change it.
Trump's "plain speaking" resonates because a nation without secure borders will not be a nation for long.
Trump's "plain speaking" explains why we need to replace Obamacare, CommonCore and the best replacements for both.
Trump's "plain speaking" has put political correctness on the chopping block--and those who hear him understand why.
Trump's "plain speaking" does not differentiate between young and old, rich and poor, white, black, red or green. Trump's "plain speaking" invites all to join in making America Great Again and be its beneficiary.
I post links to live streams of Donald Trump's nearly daily rallies. I invite you to click on one of those links and listen to him. Just sit back and listen to him....you don't even have to tell anyone you're doing it.
Listening to him will help you understand why Trump's "plain speaking" is just one of the gifts his competition wish they were blessed with.
Plain speaking = empty rhetoric.
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Plain speaking = empty rhetoric.
I invite you to listen to his rallies, too. Your answer is flip and diminishes the intelligence of this forum.
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Plain speaking = empty rhetoric.
Great refutation, as usual.
We Trump'rs sure is jealous of the edumacation and witty analysis of you NeverTrumps. Aw shucks!
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He was not a Christian. Lots of Catholics get baptized, confirmed and then never do anything else. So I DID refute your SWAG from an actual source. A source that proves Hitler, in his influential time as leader, was anti-Christianity.
All we have from you are your assertions.
You are so dishonest...had to sneak in that little modifier to make what you said right. The truth is, I didn't say he was Christian during his "influential time as leader", I just said he WAS Christian. And he was...went to church, got confirmed, practice all the niceties of Catholicism in his youth (that meets the definition of Christian by any practical measure). I also did not say he was a "good" Christian...but yes, he WAS a Christian, and each bullet point I laid out you have maneuvered around but avoided refuting. Instead, you chose to refute the one thing I did NOT claim, which is that he was a practicing Christian in his later years.
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I invite you to listen to his rallies, too. Your answer is flip and diminishes the intelligence of this forum.
Why should anybody listen to Trump? He says the same stuff, mostly about himself and how smart and brilliant he is. He rarely talks policy and, when he does, it's an inch deep. He just can't discuss important issues in any depth.
He is the single most ignorant candidate from either party in my lifetime.
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Great refutation, as usual.
We Trump'rs sure is jealous of the edumacation and witty analysis of you NeverTrumps. Aw shucks!
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Great refutation, as usual.
We Trump'rs sure is jealous of the edumacation and witty analysis of you NeverTrumps. Aw shucks!
Trump cannot put two coherent sentences together.
It was obvious that his big "foreign policy" presentation today was written by others. It was actually literate.
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You are so dishonest...had to sneak in that little modifier to make what you said right. The truth is, I didn't say he was Christian during his "influential time as leader", I just said he WAS Christian. And he was...went to church, got confirmed, practice all the niceties of Catholicism in his youth (that meets the definition of Christian by any practical measure). I also did not say he was a "good" Christian...but yes, he WAS a Christian, and each bullet point I laid out you have maneuvered around but avoided refuting. Instead, you chose to refute the one thing I did NOT claim, which is that he was a practicing Christian in his later years.
How silly. No "youth" is Christian, in any sense of the word. I expect next you'll be claiming that Hitler was Christian as an infant.
You can never admit you're wrong about anything, can you? Kinda like your boy.
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"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."
What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?
I don't find you very entertaining. You know that Hitler said that. Hitler said many things to get the population to follow him. Kind of like Trump saying I am a Christian and waving his Bible around. Then saying he has never needed forgiveness. I think Cruz could sue you for falsely claiming Hitlers words were his.
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Trump cannot put two coherent sentences together.
How would you know?
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The Trump get-together in Indianapolis looks like a rousing success:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw)
So that's where you get your political ideas! :silly:
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I don't find you very entertaining. You know that Hitler said that. Hitler said many things to get the population to follow him. Kind of like Trump saying I am a Christian and waving his Bible around. Then saying he has never needed forgiveness. I think Cruz could sue you for falsely claiming Hitlers words were his.
Oh, its highly entertaining. If Anti-Trumps are going to compare Trump to Pol Pot, than I've every right to show exactly how similar Hitler's words are to something Cruz would say...scary, the similarity.
But don't miss the real point here. I think such comparisons are absurd....but hey, if you Anti's are gonna be dishing out these silly comparisons you better be ready to receive them as well.
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OK. Which part of what I said was incorrect.
1) The part where I said he was baptized in the Catholic Church.
2) The part where I said he was confirmed in the Catholic Church.
3) Hitler repeatedly called for "positive" Christianity in numerous speeches.
I'll await your refutation...or is this just another of your "make it up" and hope its right moments.
The part where you have no clue as to what being a Christian means.
Hitler was never a Christian. His parents may have been Catholic when they had him baptized, but he NEVER was a Christian.
That is a leftist lie intended to besmirch Christianity.
But I highly suspect you know that and only said it to cause trouble.
Now you may feel free to "make up" anything you want about me. People here have your number......
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Oh, its highly entertaining. If Anti-Trumps are going to compare Trump to Pol Pot, than I've every right to show exactly how similar Hitler's words are to something Cruz would say...scary, the similarity.
But don't miss the real point here. I think such comparisons are absurd....but hey, if you Anti's are gonna be dishing out these silly comparisons you better be ready to receive them as well.
No, Cruz has never said anything like that. You outright said it was a Cruz quote. That is bearing false witness. Character assassination. Nobody has ever done that to Trump. His words are rude enough, disgusting enough. His words are like those of narcissistic dictators. But nobody has posted someone else quote and put Trumps name to it. I don't believe you are allowed to do that.
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No, Cruz has never said anything like that. You outright said it was a Cruz quote. That is bearing false witness. Character assassination. Nobody has ever done that to Trump. His words are rude enough, disgusting enough. His words are like those of narcissistic dictators. But nobody has posted someone else quote and put Trumps name to it. I don't believe you are allowed to do that.
At the very least it's unethical. But unethical is what Trump is all about, so why not his groupies??
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At the very least it's unethical. But unethical is what Trump is all about, so why not his groupies??
I saved it to my computer
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I saved it to my computer
I'll be interested in finding out if there's anything illegal about what he did.
Remember that this is the same guy who last night was mocking Christian Conservatives and mocking me for believing that our leaders need to have integrity.
It gives you some insight into why he would do something unethical........
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I'll be interested in finding out if there's anything illegal about what he did.
Remember that this is the same guy who last night was mocking Christian Conservatives and mocking me for believing that our leaders need to have integrity.
It gives you some insight into why he would do something unethical........
I think that could be pretty serious actually. Especially on a public forum where you are misrepresenting someone, in this case a candidate for POTUS.
Simple Definition of character assassination
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: the act of saying false things about a person usually in order to make the public stop liking or trusting that person
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What he is attempting to do is to sway peoples opinion that Ted Cruz is a religious fanatic. This is a public forum. Anyone could take that as truth copy it and start posting it all over the net.
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I think that could be pretty serious actually. Especially on a public forum where you are misrepresenting someone, in this case a candidate for POTUS.
Simple Definition of character assassination
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: the act of saying false things about a person usually in order to make the public stop liking or trusting that person
Well, quoting Hitler and attributing it to Cruz is definitely character assassination.......
It's also disgustingly dishonest.
And stupid.
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The part where you have no clue as to what being a Christian means.
Hitler was never a Christian. His parents may have been Catholic when they had him baptized, but he NEVER was a Christian.
That is a leftist lie intended to besmirch Christianity.
But I highly suspect you know that and only said it to cause trouble.
Now you may feel free to "make up" anything you want about me. People here have your number......
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I think that could be pretty serious actually. Especially on a public forum where you are misrepresenting someone, in this case a candidate for POTUS.
Simple Definition of character assassination
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: the act of saying false things about a person usually in order to make the public stop liking or trusting that person
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What he is attempting to do is to sway peoples opinion that Ted Cruz is a religious fanatic. This is a public forum. Anyone could take that as truth copy it and start posting it all over the net.
Good thing the anti-Trumps haven't done anything similar! :silly:
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"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."
What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?
I think you are acting like a DU troll trying to spread a Hitler quote as a Cruz quote. http://rense.com/general79/ghe.htm
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Good thing the anti-Trumps haven't done anything similar! :silly:
No, I have never seen it. If you can find anywhere that anybody has taken a quote from someone else and put Trumps name to it show me.
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"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."
What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?
I am not a Cruz guy but you know, and I know who said that - and it wasn't Cruz.
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That's despicable.
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Well, quoting Hitler and attributing it to Cruz is definitely character assassination.......
It's also disgustingly dishonest.
And stupid.
Agreed. It is reprehensible. And the little guy rolling around is damn near as bad.
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No, I have never seen it. If you can find anywhere that anybody has taken a quote from someone else and put Trumps name to it show me.
You stated; "I think that could be pretty serious actually. Especially on a public forum where you are misrepresenting someone, in this case a candidate for POTUS."
You've never seen a misrepresentation of Trump on this forum? Really?
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Pol Pot went after the educated as well.
Every totalitarian regime has done the same. During Tet, 3000 Vietnamese were killed in Hue, many were doctors, teachers, and intellectuals. They are the first ones rounded up. It pays to be able to blend in with the working class wherever you are.
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The part where you have no clue as to what being a Christian means.
Hitler was never a Christian. His parents may have been Catholic when they had him baptized, but he NEVER was a Christian.
That is a leftist lie intended to besmirch Christianity.
But I highly suspect you know that and only said it to cause trouble.
Now you may feel free to "make up" anything you want about me. People here have your number......
A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.
And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.
As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”
You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.
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Well, quoting Hitler and attributing it to Cruz is definitely character assassination.......
It's also disgustingly dishonest.
And stupid.
Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.
Which is the point!
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A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.
And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.
As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”
You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.
goopo :thumbsup:
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A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.
And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.
As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”
You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.
Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian. Accepting Jesus as the Son of God. Who died for our sins and who is our savior is what makes a person a Christian.
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Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.
Which is the point!
I did not compare Trump to Pol Pot. I compared the techniques being to used. Its the same technique used to overthrow governments around the world.
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Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.
Which is the point!
And you are just making up out of whole cloth that I was "OK" with anything.
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Settle down, folks. It's okay to criticize the candidates, so let's keep it at that.
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A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.
And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.
As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”
You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.
You're pathetically predictable.
But I've heard all your anti-Christian regurgitated arguments before. They may make you feel better........even smart........ but they don't make your point, and you lose the argument on facts.
Hitler was not a Christian, and you know it as well as anyone else.
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Arguing that Hitler was a Christian is a very sad and desperate argument against Ted Cruz.
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The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.
I can understand how a perception of moral superiority is very much off-putting. I think that perception arises, in part, from dashing off one liners, in the heat of a moment. I will continue to strive for a reasoned approach, and try to support my opinions with some logic and references to history.
Ones beliefs, opinions and even biases are always operating within our minds. The trick is to not deny that they exist, but to try to understand how they influence our oun thought process, and adjust accordingly.
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Or...alternately. He understands that he is the ONLY one effectively voicing the anger and frustration his supporters feel over the corruption and failure that riddle both our party and our government. As such, he knows he has the loyalty of those supporters.
Voicing the anger is not at all a difficult skill to master. And it gets results. Of course, since the Rise of the Bushes, we have been burned over and over, and anger is not unexpected. But guiding the Ship of State requires more than anger.
Some believe that Trump's business experience qualifies him. I find that assertion suspect. In business, when one deal fails, there's always another deal with new players. In government, he cannot walk away, because the people he has to deal with are not going anywhere.
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Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?
:nono:
edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.
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You changed my words while retaining them in quotes under my attribution. That's dishonest.
The anti-Trump movement has the best gravy!
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Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?
:nono:
edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.
Quote from: Jazzhead on April 27, 2016, 02:36:33 PM
Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap. Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints. I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.
don-o.....the above is the type of nonsense and baiting that we Trump supporters face everyday. Not whining.
Just providing an example as proof.
When the subject is Trump...Godwin's Law is ignored, I guess. :laugh:
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I agree, that's pretty sad. I really hope those who fled FR to get away from the name-calling and put-downs don't end up doing the same here. I might not like Trump, but that doesn't mean that every person who supports him deserves to be insulted with those kind of ad hominem broadsides.
The worst Hitler analogy on this thread was anti-Cruz, not anti-Trump. (The unethical false quote).
The message needs to be heeded by BOTH sides.
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Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian. Accepting Jesus as the Son of God. Who died for our sins and who is our savior is what makes a person a Christian.
100% this.
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Agreed. We owe it to the people who welcomed us here to behave better than those who destroyed FR.
Also, a reminder to our new ex-TOS friends.....
This is a very lightly modded forum. The owners and mods have requested that if we see something unacceptable, that we report the post.
They usually don't have to keep a really close eye on us because the vast majority of posters here are polite, even if they are pugnacious. But if something goes awry (as it sometimes does), they need to be made aware of it, so it can be stopped.
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A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.
And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.
As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”
You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.
A most excellent post, sir. I am very glad you're here.
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That's despicable.
Your post wasn't to anyone in particular ... so, what's "despicable"?
Thanks.
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Your post wasn't to anyone in particular ... so, what's "despicable"?
Thanks.
Mesaclone's attribution of a Hitler quote to Cruz. It WAS despicable.
And your new friend is also wrong about Hitler's Christianity. Saying that, because a teenager is Christian means that person is a Christian, is dopey. Most teens do what their parents do, and Hitler got away from Christianity the minute he could.
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don-o.....the above is the type of nonsense and baiting that we Trump supporters face everyday. Not whining.
Just providing an example as proof.
When the subject is Trump...Godwin's Law is ignored, I guess. :laugh:
Hitler gained power by means of a plurality in a free and democratic election, by exploiting bad economic times and folks' fears and prejudices through seductive rhetoric blaming cabals and "others".
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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That's true, but he only was able to become dictator after passage of the Enabling Acts in 1933, and those only passed because members of the SS and SA physically intimidated the members of the Reichstag. We're not remotely at a place where Trump supporters could actually do that even if they wanted to. There's the Supreme Court, the military, and of course Congress is not the crumbling Reichstag that existed in the early 30's.
It's not going to happen.
True, but it is still wise to perceive parallels from history, to avoid repeating past tragedies. The course of future events is a slippery thing. No one 18 months ago could have foreseen the break-up and demise of the GOP, in an election year where things had been shaping up as conservatives' best opportunity in years.
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True, but it is still wise to perceive parallels from history, to avoid repeating past tragedies. The course of future events is a slippery thing. No one 18 months ago could have foreseen the break-up and demise of the GOP, in an election year where things had been shaping up as conservatives' best opportunity in years.
Indeed. All it took was one false Messiah who calls himself a Republican.
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Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian.
Neither does claiming it on the internet.
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Also, a reminder to our new ex-TOS friends.....
This is a very lightly modded forum. The owners and mods have requested that if we see something unacceptable, that we report the post.
They usually don't have to keep a really close eye on us because the vast majority of posters here are polite, even if they are pugnacious. But if something goes awry (as it sometimes does), they need to be made aware of it, so it can be stopped.
Thanks, I didn't realize that was how the forum was moderated. Now instead of ignoring I will report all personal vulgar attacks.
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Thanks, I didn't realize that was how the forum was moderated. Now instead of ignoring I will report all personal vulgar attacks.
Yep, I'll join. In fact I'm going back to flag the majority of Arne Fuf's posts where he posts the most vile of insults.
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Thanks, I didn't realize that was how the forum was moderated. Now instead of ignoring I will report all personal vulgar attacks.
How about reporting only those that actually are personal attacks? That would be quite a relief for the mods. Thank you in advance.
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How about reporting only those that actually are personal attacks? That would be quite a relief for the mods. Thank you in advance.
To be clear, the insult, attack, name calling has to be directed at an individual? Supporting groups and candidates are fair game?
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Personal attacks on other GBR members are not okay.
We're kind of counting on everyone here to behave like adults. That shouldn't be difficult.
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Personal attacks on other GBR members are not okay.
We're kind of counting on everyone here to behave like adults. That shouldn't be difficult.
Well I'm a member and a Trump supporter. Is it acceptable for Trump supporters as a group to be called, idots, fools, dupes, morons, cultists and dumbasses as has happened?
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@flowers
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Well I'm a member and a Trump supporter. Is it acceptable for Trump supporters as a group to be called, idots, fools, dupes, morons, cultists and dumbasses as has happened?
"As a group" is not "personal." That is the distinction.
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Well I'm a member and a Trump supporter. Is it acceptable for Trump supporters as a group to be called, idots, fools, dupes, morons, cultists and dumbasses as has happened?
Group "rights" to safe spaces from criticism is a liberal demand. Do you really think that your whining is the least bit persuasive? If you want to defend your hero, then man up.
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It is not clear what your point is, but one of the main put-downs of Trump's supporters, is that they are low information, and uneducated.
I can name several that have self-exiled themselves from this site, after being here for years. They grew tired of the put downs. That includes one with a PhD, one a doctor, and others with multiple degrees and professional qualifications.
Cruz and Kasich are now the candidates of the elites, the banks, the political pros, like Rove etc.
So the billionaire real estate mogul who admits to paying off politicians to do his bidding is not a member of the elite, not in cahoots with banks and not in bed with corrupt politicos?
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So the billionaire real estate mogul who admits to paying off politicians to do his bidding is not a member of the elite, not in cahoots with banks and not in bed with corrupt politicos?
Not in the minds of the low information uneducated.
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Well I'm a member and a Trump supporter. Is it acceptable for Trump supporters as a group to be called, idots, fools, dupes, morons, cultists and dumbasses as has happened?
Same old excuse and I am tired of it....bye
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"As a group" is not "personal." That is the distinction.
You know, our Yankee posters may find that definition a bit confusing, so could you clear something up now, before it comes up?
So, if you're let's say from Georgia, and you say "y'all a fool", that would be an individual insult and not a group insult, right?
Maybe I can answer my own question by reminding that "all y'all" seems to be a broader sort of group, than "y'all".
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How about reporting only those that actually are personal attacks? That would be quite a relief for the mods. Thank you in advance.
How about letting it fall on the member to whom the insult was thrown?
The last thing YOU need is everybody playing hall monitor.
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Rat Patrol you know good and well no name calling is allowed here...stop it!
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How about letting it fall on the member to whom the insult was thrown?
The last thing YOU need is everybody playing hall monitor.
I prefer that....to tell you the truth but sometimes when I see stuff I will interfere...
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Rat Patrol you know good and well no name calling is allowed here...stop it!
Thank you.
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Do you really think that your whining is the least bit persuasive? If you want to defend your hero, then man up.
Do you ant-Trumps think your whining is the least bit persuasive? Your numbers here are growing, yet Trump keeps schlonging Crusich when voters get to actually cast a real vote.
Seems to me your approach is a total disaster in terms of changing people's minds. Seems the #NeverTrumps may actually be backfiring on you all in terms of the real world.
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I prefer that....to tell you the truth but sometimes when I see stuff I will interfere...
LOL! My dual monitor is now a single monitor....It just blew up! Had to reboot right in the middle of my response to you.
I wasn't suggesting you not "interfere". Heaven forbid! I was merely trying to let them know in a nice way that if a third party member starts hitting that button every time they see a slight or an insult, you are going to be overwhelmed and in the end probably ignore the tattletale.
We've been self-modding for years....as we've all been through the purges and well....it's no accident that the best people FR ever produced are here...or were here at one time.
I've been out most of the day, so I've missed all the "excitement".
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Indeed. All it took was one false Messiah who calls himself a Republican.
There is only one "Chosen One" in this race, and its not Donald Trump.
And now Jazz returns with another warning of heading down a Nazi slope by using the "Hitler was elected with pluralities" baloney. Well, so was Abraham Lincoln...so I guess he has that in common with Hitler (using your silly criteria). You AntiTrumpr's keep bringing in this totally ridiculous Hitler analogies...and then are all upset when a counterpoint is made substituting Cruz on a Hitler quote that is so close to something Ted would say, its essentially synonymous. The point, which too many of you were either unable...or more likely unwilling..to get was simple. And that is, that taking a single point of non-relevant similarity...be it winning by a plurality or commentary in Christianity's role in society...is completely absurd. It takes a true nutjob to compare Donald Trump to Hitler in ANY way. Which is why Cruz was compared to Hitler in what was also a ridiculous fashion...which demonstrates the larger point VERY clearly.
So quit with the stupid comparisons of Donald Trump to Hitler...and you won't have to get your feelings hurt with a Hitler quote attached to Cruz's name. They are actions of the same ilk, and that quote was tossed at you in that way to make that point. So if you are going to be aghast over a misdirected quote aligning Cruz and Hitler, you MUST be equally aghast when others make such analogies aimed at Trump. And MANY have done so...in THIS thread, and in many others. By ignoring those instances, you have lost the right to express faux moral outrage over the quote.
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Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?
:nono:
edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.
Mei two to too!!!
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Mesaclone's attribution of a Hitler quote to Cruz. It WAS despicable.
Why?
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Why?
It's comparable to your boy's infamous "blood coming out of her wherever."
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It's comparable to your boy's infamous "blood coming out of her wherever."
Oh, Sink. I'm really starting to worry about you. You used to come close to making sense, but not so much any more. Do you need a break from all this for a day or two? If so, just take it. It'll all be here when you're refreshed and ready to get back in the debate.
Anyway, just my observation and two cents.
Peace.
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Engage me on an issue. I suggest any or all of the following:
1. Suspending muslim immigration like Trump said, pending better understanding of the situation. San Bernardino, 14 Dead.
2. Better border security like Trump said, so women in San Francisco, sanctuary city, are not gunned down by people that were deported multiple times. One Dead.
3. Abortion exceptions for rape, incest. Cruz expects women to vote for him, yet if they are raped he wants it to be illegal for them to abort the product of rape.
Plenty of Californians will take Trump's side, trust me. (Carly is thus far, a two time loser in politics, and believed by many vocal folks, to have laid off tens of thousands, before she got herself canned at HP--California.)
Engage away.
Ok I'll play...show me evidence where trump actually believes any of those things. And things he's said since he opted to run for President don't count. He's 69 years old, surely he has a significant life history advocating on behalf of those issues. Surely he's supported numerous politicians and causes that advance those issues AND he cited their support of those issues as the reason for his support of them....with his public mouthpiece that he's had available all these years, surely the evidence you can produce will be voluminous, right?
THAT is why those of us are anti-Trump are anti-Trump....we don't believe a word that comes out of the jackass' mouth...because his entire life history shows us to be correct.
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Oh, Sink. I'm really starting to worry about you. You used to come close to making sense, but not so much any more. Do you need a break from all this for a day or two? If so, just take it. It'll all be here when you're refreshed and ready to get back in the debate.
Anyway, just my observation and two cents.
Peace.
not enough editing sink..you know better
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Trump and Reagan in the same breath should be heresy to any conservative.
But, then, you're not conservative any longer.
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Ok I'll play...show me evidence where trump actually believes any of those things. And things he's said since he opted to run for President don't count. He's 69 years old, surely he has a significant life history advocating on behalf of those issues. Surely he's supported numerous politicians and causes that advance those issues AND he cited their support of those issues as the reason for his support of them....with his public mouthpiece that he's had available all these years, surely the evidence you can produce will be voluminous, right?
THAT is why those of us are anti-Trump are anti-Trump....we don't believe a word that comes out of the jackass' mouth...because his entire life history shows us to be correct.
Show me Hillary Clinton making anything close to the statements that Trump makes. You assume Trump is lying, but Clinton actually advocates the things that you think Trump secretly supports.
So if Clinton is President because of people like you, blame yourself and not Trump supporters.
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Reported.
Completely disgusting. What an awful personal attack from someone who says Trump hates women.
You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope the female mods here take appropriate action.
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I think this whole response is a personal attack.
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Trump and Reagan in the same breath should be heresy to any conservative.
But, then, you're not conservative any longer.
Sure I am, Sink. I'm the same person philosophically...especially in fiscal matters.
I'm all in for Trump because he projects the image of success and somebody who will command respect...one way or the other...from leaders across the world.
"Ya don't like us? Pay your own defense cost. Go straight to hell." And Sink? I'm not paraphrasing.
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Reported.
Thanks. I just saw this ... and I reported, too.
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I think this whole response is a personal attack.
I reported it. It's the most vile and vulgar thing I've read on this board and sinkspur owes you an apology at the very least. I'm sure nothing will happen, though, because you support Trump. Apparently only A-lert gets banned for no apparent reason.
Keep it classy, sinkspur. If you're ever near me, say that crap to my daughters and I'll teach you a lesson in manners.
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I think this whole response is a personal attack.
Of course you do. But implying that I'm unhinged is not.
Very Trumplike.
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Sure I am, Sink. I'm the same person philosophically...especially in fiscal matters.
I'm all in for Trump because he projects the image of success and somebody who will command respect...one way or the other...from leaders across the world.
"Ya don't like us? Pay your own defense cost. Go straight to hell." And Sink? I'm not paraphrasing.
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And yet he wants our allies to "trust us." He's a mess, nothing but contradictions. Who the hell knows what he believes?
I can see it now. Trump abandons Eastern Europe because they don't "pay their own way" and his pal Vlad decides he needs some additional real estate and just takes it.
Is Vlad suddenly not his pal any longer? Or does Trump "negotiate" so that Vlad can keep half of what he takes?
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When you all quote an offensive post I have to edit them all....from now on let the person who was offended/attack file the report..
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Of course you do. But implying that I'm unhinged is not.
Very Trumplike.
You're bullying a woman anonymously on the internet by calling out her gender.
Won't any anti-Trumpers condemn this attack? If not, then I don't care how many ignore lists I'm on, because none of you deserve any respect from me.
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When you all quote an offensive post I have to edit them all....from now on let the person who was offended/attack file the report..
That's it? Just an edit? Not a cool-down period?
What if the person attacked, in this case in the most vile and biological manner, doesn't see the post?
Different rules for different posters. This is nearing a misogynistic hate site if that sort of poster is allowed to continue posting.
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When you all quote an offensive post I have to edit them all....from now on let the person who was offended/attack file the report..
Sorry. I was going to take it down. I apologize RIV for the objectionable term.
Not for the sentiment. Your obsequiosness to Trump knows no bounds.
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Of course you do. But implying that I'm unhinged is not.
Very Trumplike.
Please, Sink, don't add insult to injury. You should apologize to me. Just do so and we move on and I'll put it behind us.
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That's it? Just an edit? Not a cool-down period?
What if the person attacked, in this case in the most vile and biological manner, doesn't see the post?
Different rules for different posters. This is nearing a misogynistic hate site if that sort of poster is allowed to continue posting.
Yeah I give sink special treatment..ask him how many timeouts and suspensions he has had...
Ask me about special rules for you and your account...
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Yeah I give sink special treatment..ask him how many timeouts and suspensions he has had...
Ask me about special rules for you and your account...
Please... AnyBodyButaDem was being a gentleman on my behalf. I think Sink will find a way to say "sorry"....and it's done.
Thanks.
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Yeah I give sink special treatment..ask him how many timeouts and suspensions he has had...
Ask me about special rules for you and your account...
I've never posted anything near that vile nor disgusting. :shrug:
There's a double-standard. I get it. Let's at least acknowledge the elephant in the room, right?
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I've never posted anything near that vile nor disgusting. :shrug:
There's a double-standard. I get it. Let's at least acknowledge the elephant in the room, right?
There's no double-standard.
Look at it this way.
If all the members here in The Briefing Room were truly a family.....Sinkspur and RiV are brother and sister. They're mine too. And Myst's.
They've been fighting since they've been 'kids'. Me too!
But the core here are FAMILY.
Comparatively speaking, while you're appreciated and accepted as part of the family, you're a distant cousin. :beer:
PS: Suggest you take Myst's suggestion...it's much easier to get to the source of the infraction if the offended post the abuse report.
Peace!
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There's no double-standard.
Look at it this way.
If all the members here in The Briefing Room were truly a family.....Sinkspur and RiV are brother and sister. They're mine too. And Myst's.
They've been fighting since they've been 'kids'. Me too!
But the core here are FAMILY.
Comparatively speaking, while you're appreciated and accepted as part of the family, you're a distant cousin. :beer:
PS: Suggest you take Myst's suggestion...it's much easier to get to the source of the infraction if the offended post the abuse report.
Peace!
Yeah........... a distant cousin who shows up at his first family reunion and starts cussing everybody out, calling them names, and spitting in their beer.
Not MY idea of "family." Just clueless and mean.
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Carry on with your whining.
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Yeah........... a distant cousin who shows up at his first family reunion and starts cussing everybody out, calling them names, and spitting in their beer.
Not MY idea of "family." Just clueless and mean.
Said she deserved a heartfelt apology.
But more than a dressing down from contemporaries? No.
Vacations have always been awarded to those that despite several warnings, might have the temerity to challenge the boss. :laugh:
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:bsflag: The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.
Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?
Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected. My Hope is we never have to find out.
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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?
Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected. My Hope is we never have to find out.
What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.
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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?
Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected. My Hope is we never have to find out.
:thumbsup2:
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Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap. Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints. I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.
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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says".
Oh, please. That can be said of any candidate for any position. **nononono*
Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?
So what's Cruz trying to sell? More of the same job killing economic globalism? Porous US Borders? To keep paying for an ineffective NATO and the security needs of our wealthy friends around the world? Oh wait .... scratch this. Never mind.
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Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?
:nono:
edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.
Yes, by all means defy "Godwin's Law"! If the comparison has no merit, let it fail.<p>
Presuming someone has lost an argument for drawing direct comparisons to the (arguably) worst 'administration' in Western History is only a subtle form of political correctness that subverts the concept of learning from history. If that history cannot be discussed, it cannot be learned from, and it will eventually be repeated.
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You know, our Yankee posters may find that definition a bit confusing, so could you clear something up now, before it comes up?
So, if you're let's say from Georgia, and you say "y'all a fool", that would be an individual insult and not a group insult, right?
Maybe I can answer my own question by reminding that "all y'all" seems to be a broader sort of group, than "y'all".
You is singular=youse
Y'all is plural=youse guys
While that invites grammatical correction, I think it gets the point across
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What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.
Indictment, conviction, incarceration, would be nice.
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You is singular=youse
Y'all is plural=youse guys
While that invites grammatical correction, I think it gets the point across
Thank you!
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Thank you!
You're Welcome!
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What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.
:bsflag: Trump does worse in all polls v. Hillary than the other candidates.
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:bsflag: Trump does worse in all polls v. Hillary than the other candidates.
You keep on believing! :mauslaff:
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It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"
I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him from time to time and have a little more skepticism.
It's the idolatry that I find unnerving. Reminds me too much of the 0bamabots.
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It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"
I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him from time to time and have a little more skepticism.
THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:
LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument. I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:
Donald Trump was very excited in his Nevada victory speech tonight about winning with almost every group.
He said, “We won with highly-educated, we won with poorly educated! I love the poorly educated! We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people.”
poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.
I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.
LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.
You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP
I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.
I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.
Call me what you want, but I believe him. He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power. That is a mem put out by his detractors.
He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.
Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.
You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.
I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.
Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.
You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.
There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.
We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.
I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.
I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.
All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.
What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.
We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.
I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
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You're right -- Trump isn't a mass murdering dictator. But, there is a commonality that people who advance sketchy ideas (or even those based more on emotion than ordered thought) prefer to silence the voices of those who may challenge them. If you don't want to hear the objections, you silence those most likely to object. It's what's happening at FR right now. And ridiculing education -- which is often expressed in the form of shutting up "slimy lawyers", etc., is one way to accomplish that.
Indeed, of course, when Hindenburg asked Hitler to form a minority government, Hitler wasn't a mass murdering dictator either, just a purveyor of sketchy ideas based on emotion rather than ordered thought. This summer may see an even stronger analogy between America and Weimar Germany if the Trumpists take to the streets, in which case we'll have left-right street battles between them and the BLM types analogous to the Nazi-Communist street battles in 1920's, early 1930's Germany.
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Ah, I see you found your way here, too. Were you banned at FR, or did you just leave in disgust? I still have an account there, but am disinclined to give JimRob any hits at least until (1) Trump fails to win the nomination, (2) Trump loses the general, or (3) God-forbid he's elected, Trump has implemented enough policies that fly in the face of what FR purports to stand for that it seems likely to see lots of crow-eating over ther.
Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?
Depends what you mean by "Godwin's Law". The shoddy version that claims all argumentum ad Hitlerum is invalid, regardless of how strong the analogy between some present circumstance and those surrounding the rise of Naziism and Nazi rule in Germany, so that no , deserves to be 'defied' when the lessons that should be learned from the history of that period are applicable. On the other hand, the original "Godwin's Law" was the empirical observation that as the length of a usenet discussion thread (now generalized to discussions in any online forum) increased, the probability that Hitler would mentioned asymptotically approached 1, in which case this thread seems to confirm, rather than defy Godwin's Law.
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:
LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument. I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:
poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.
I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.
LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.
You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP
I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.
I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.
Call me what you want, but I believe him. He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power. That is a mem put out by his detractors.
He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.
Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.
You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.
I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.
Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.
You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.
There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.
We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.
I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.
I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.
All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.
What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.
We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.
I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
goopo :thumbsup:
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:
LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument. I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:
poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.
I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.
LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.
You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP
I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.
I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.
Call me what you want, but I believe him. He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power. That is a mem put out by his detractors.
He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.
Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.
You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.
I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.
Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.
You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.
There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.
We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.
I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.
I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.
All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.
What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.
We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.
I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
No offense but I think your post is a good example of why Trump supporters tend to be so fanatical and unwilling to objectively evaluate Trump on policy.
You project your hopes onto Trump. Therefore any disagreement is taken as an attack on your hopes and dreams.
Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades. He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal. You are he can't be liberal because he's a capitalist, balderdash. That is a completely nonsensical position. John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and every other liberal has a long list of business interests. Many of which have involved Trump over the years.
Trump hasn't been a politician until recently. That is to say he hasn't run for office. He admits to donoting to politicians to game the system. A perfect example of crony capitalism.
Trump hasn't been a politician but he has a long history of rubbing shoulders with them. Many of them the worst kind, like Jesse Ventura. He has spoken about running for President for years which refutes your assumption he's doing this for the good of the country.
Power corrupts and the office of President offers a lot of power. A seductive goal for a man "who has everything". Trump is doing this for Trump.
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No offense but I think your post is a good example of why Trump supporters tend to be so fanatical and unwilling to objectively evaluate Trump on policy.
You project your hopes onto Trump. Therefore any disagreement is taken as an attack on your hopes and dreams.
Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades. He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal. You are he can't be liberal because he's a capitalist, balderdash. That is a completely nonsensical position. John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and every other liberal has a long list of business interests. Many of which have involved Trump over the years.
Trump hasn't been a politician until recently. That is to say he hasn't run for office. He admits to donoting to politicians to game the system. A perfect example of crony capitalism.
Trump hasn't been a politician but he has a long history of rubbing shoulders with them. Many of them the worst kind, like Jesse Ventura. He has spoken about running for President for years which refutes your assumption he's doing this for the good of the country.
Power corrupts and the office of President offers a lot of power. A seductive goal for a man "who has everything". Trump is doing this for Trump.
my post was not for argument.
All democrats are not liberal. Trump was not a lifelong liberal. That mem is is getting old,
I am not going to argue my post. It stands as is.
I have worked a lot of campaigns over the years on a local level for congress. I an not an emotional supporter. I know what trump is. As are most all trump supporters.
We are not cultists.
If we were, would not have all voted on the poll to support cruz if he were our nominee
However the same cant be said for the trump poll and the not trump supporters.
Now who is the cult?
Don't answer that, as I am not playing!
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR
All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.
What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is totally acceptable to us.
We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.
I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
I appreciate your courtesy and insight.
At this point, however, the train of reconciliation has left the station. I'll have to admit that the FreeRepublic Trumpkins have hardened my stance against Trump into granite. I simply don't want to be in any kind of "fellowship" with such people. We may both hate the manipulation of the GOP-e, the support of GOP Senate Republicans AGAINST conservative Republican ideas and the party's very own policy planks. That's been happening all my life. Jumping Jim Jeffords, Boehner, the RINO's who have stood against conservative USSC nominees - it drives me into truly irrational levels of anger. If the phrase "Taxation without Representation" was ever a fighting term, I feel that at age 60, I've been "unrepresented" in US Government (as well as state, local) my entire life. I've been "ruled", not governed, and I'm sick of it.
Yes, we may both hate some of the same things, but I am not Trump. No part of my soul is Trump. I have viscerally hated bullies my entire life, as I grew up bullied in my primary and junior high school years. Until I dealt with FR's Trumpkins, I intended to vote for my guy, hope for the best, and support the nominee in November. However, I won't join with those kind of people - TRUMP's kind of people. It's a principled opposition that has morphed into the personal. I have tried, but I truly cannot envision a set of circumstances which would allow me to reconcile with Trump supporters, should Trump win the nomination.
So, Hillary Clinton will be bad? Really? Well, what about Obama, for two terms? What about Bill Clinton? Do you realize that my kids never knew Reagan. They have lived 16 of their 28 years, and the last 16 of their last 24, under corrupt Democrat progressives. They are even more cynical and resigned than I am. We've all written off this country's future, and most that now, is Trump. We're doing what we can to survive, not apprehensive of the future, but ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN it'll mean war, starvation, persecution, and absolute, total disaster for this country. We have survived Obama and W.J. Clinton, we can probably survive H. Clinton, too.
So, reconcile with Trumpkins? Vote for Trump? Can't do that now, and I won't be disenfranchised, either. If I can't vote for Trump, and I really can't, I'll vote for the best opportunity to hurt him. I don't want to be this way, but at this point, I am about at the "just burn it all down" stage. I'll prep, I'll store ammo, I'll observe, and I'll wait. There's a good chance that I'll be another Finicum before I die a natural death, because criminal acts are no longer a prerequisite to becoming a criminal in post-Constitutional America.
Again, I wish you well, and know that you mean well. It's just not me.
If America can vote for Obama twice, and vote for Trump in 2016, then Americans' have no moral principles left that are worth anything, and the country deserves it's fate. I don't want it, but I can't stop it. If I'm called to honor my oath, I will, but only to a Constitutional Republic, not to a Tyrant in the White House, or 535 little tyrants in Congress, either.
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Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades. He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal.
Trump has contributed nearly a half million dollars to the Republican party in the last decade. Is that liberal? How much have Cruz and Kasich contributed? (Both on the government payroll)
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Trump has contributed nearly a half million dollars to the Republican party in the last decade. Is that liberal? How much have Cruz and Kasich contributed? (Both on the government payroll)
He's given even more to democrats. Neither of which is really a factor. He's a liberal because he has supported liberal causes for decades. Only recently has he started adopting some conservative positions.
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He's given even more to democrats. .
Source??????
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He's given even more to democrats. Neither of which is really a factor. He's a liberal because he has supported liberal causes for decades. Only recently has he started adopting some conservative positions.
Minor correction........ "Only recently has he started saying he has adopted some conservative positions.
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Source??????
You know the sources. From Venture, mcCauliff, Clinton, Bloomberg, and on and on. He's done it as recently as the VA government campaign where he gave 25k to the guy who ran the DNC before running for this office.
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Minor correction........ "Only recently has he started saying he has adopted some conservative positions.
Thank you. Of course we have nothing of significance to show he has had a change in heart. All we have is a good speech. We do have statements to indicate he still retains his liberal positions. From ore the bathrooms to taxes to govt run Healthcare.
Sorry I need ml ore proof.
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You know the sources. From Venture, mcCauliff, Clinton, Bloomberg, and on and on. He's done it as recently as the VA government campaign where he gave 25k to the guy who ran the DNC before running for this office.
You stated, "He's given even more to democrats." Please provide the source for that claim.
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Thank you. Of course we have nothing of significance to show he has had a change in heart. All we have is a good speech. We do have statements to indicate he still retains his liberal positions. From ore the bathrooms to taxes to govt run Healthcare.
Sorry I need ml ore proof.
Exactly right.
We have no concrete proof that he has changed any of his liberal positions, and significant evidence that he still maintains them. (His support of Planned Parenthood is another recent example).
As the saying goes..... Talk is cheap. There's been no evidence that he actually believes any of the "conservative" positions he's claiming to now magically have.
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Ah, I see you found your way here, too. Were you banned at FR, or did you just leave in disgust?
Not banned yet. My last post was goading onyx about the Wide Awakes. If I must be zotted, I really want it to be for the stupidest reason possible. I have tried, "Donald Trump has never repented of his sins. Pray for Donald Trump" a few times.
I am thinking the Mike Tyson gambit may be worth a play. Got a thread posted and pulled yesterday. It was, of all things, Bristo Palin blasting Tyson when he was talking about raping her mother. The mods are deleting any mention of his name.
I am very pleased to see you here.
And by anticipation: Christ is risen!
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Not banned yet. My last post was goading onyx about the Wide Awakes. If I must be zotted, I really want it to be for the stupidest reason possible. I have tried, "Donald Trump has never repented of his sins. Pray for Donald Trump" a few times.
I am thinking the Mike Tyson gambit may be worth a play. Got a thread posted and pulled yesterday. It was, of all things, Bristo Palin blasting Tyson when he was talking about raping her mother. The mods are deleting any mention of his name.
I am very pleased to see you here.
And by anticipation: Christ is risen!
Wide Awakes!
Ha!
The intrigue.
The plotting.
The hostile takeover!
Sigh...
Those were the days.
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You stated, "He's given even more to democrats." Please provide the source for that claim.
No. There are a myriad of sources and I'm done playing that game. Trump has always been a liberal.
Now he says he's a conservative. All he has to show is a good speech spoken at the 4th grade level. He wants to be President based on his conservative credentials. It's up to him to prove it.
We all know he won't and Trump supporters sure aren't gonna hold his feet to the fire.
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
No debate, then. But, an appreciation for the straight up advocacy well stated. And THAT is what I like to see prevail over winning arguments at all costs.
You did not change my mind though. Does anyone ever?
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Trump, the candidate with the most to lose if he isn't a good POTUS.
No, my friend America and its citizens have the most to lose if Trump, POTUS, screws the Country. Ben Franklin first said when a woman asked him, after the Constitution was completed, 'what have you given us, BF?" And Ben replied, "A republic , IF YOU CAN KEEP IT". The Constitution was intentionally designed to make it difficult to change. But some worried about SCOTUS having too much power. Our Founding Fathers were genii. (that's why Common-core has removed :0001: :0001: the founding fathers when teaching American American history. God help us.
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What bothers me the most is the open disdain Trump and so many of his supporters (not all) seem to have for reasoned argument, and particularly, the vehemence with which some of them attack those who are educated. One thing I learned in the military is that it is horribly wrong to look down on someone because they lack education - some of my enlisted Marines were among the sharpest, highest-quality individuals I've ever known. But it is perhaps even worse to look down on someone precisely because they are educated. They seem to hate the "fancy-talking elites" with a true passion, as if being able to write a coherent paragraph is evidence of some moral failing. It is not only the dumbing down of the Republic, but a celebration of dumbing it down.
I've known noticed this as well.
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE, AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:
LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument. I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:
poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.
I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.
LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.
You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP
I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.
I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.
Call me what you want, but I believe him. He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power. That is a mem put out by his detractors.
He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.
Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.
You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.
I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.
Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.
You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.
There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.
We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.
I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.
I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.
All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.
What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.
We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.
I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:
This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.
We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other. :grouphug:
A couple of quick points. I know a lot of people who aren't politicians who think before they speak. They still call them as they see them, they still don't pull punches, but they DO have their stuff in a group before they say anything, and very rarely have to back water on something they say. Being a businessman, especially at the billion dollar level, one would think that process would be old hat. Apparently not.
The other point I want to make is that while we all want to see the fat trimmed, and waste eliminated, fundamentally, I don't want a leaner meaner more efficient government, I want one Hell of a lot less Government in the first place. Government does a lot that it has no Constitutional Authority to do, no mandate, and should not be doing at all. Being more efficient at that is not a winner, it is just a more efficient way to have the power which should be reserved to the States and to the People usurped.
I have a host of misgivings about the way Mr. Trump has conducted his business activities. You don't, and on that we will disagree. I think his behaviour in any venue is an indicator of character, and I think character counts. So, from his pejorative laced communiques to his attempting to hire the attorney for the lady involved in the Kelo case in NJ, I don't find him trustworthy based on his past.
YMMV, and thanks for spelling it out.
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Indeed, of course, when Hindenburg asked Hitler to form a minority government, Hitler wasn't a mass murdering dictator either, just a purveyor of sketchy ideas based on emotion rather than ordered thought. This summer may see an even stronger analogy between America and Weimar Germany if the Trumpists take to the streets, in which case we'll have left-right street battles between them and the BLM types analogous to the Nazi-Communist street battles in 1920's, early 1930's Germany.
There are distinct socioeconomic similarities between America today and Weimar Germany, and those are the real cause for concern. A person who could have been a Hitler would not have reached that pinnacle of evil without the fertile situation in which he developed, they would have been a mere footnote instead of the subject of libraries.
But because the poor economy, high unemployment ("low workforce participation"), a ready-made scapegoat class (welfare recipients, invading illegals, and 'refugees'), the perception of lost military effectiveness due to mismanagement at political levels, the slide in national prestige on the world stage, and the question of national debt, all exist, one who promises to solve our ills and take care of the undesirables, to put the country back to work, and improve the economy (while beating the Communists!) will indeed receive a great deal of support. Perhaps far more than they should, and there are plenty of mechanisms in place by which an already largely nationalized police force and myriad agencies can impose totalitarianism without passing a single new law, just ignoring some fundamental old ones.
Human nature says that as long as those abuses are aimed at the targets of the majority's angst or anger, the abusive nature of those actions will be ignored or encouraged, and the cries to quash such dissent as may appear will be shrill, indeed
Comparing any politician now who isn't a full blown totalitarian with someone with the power and existing mechanisms to just dive in and start extermination of entire subgroups would be folly. (Sorry, once you enter the arena, you become a politician, regardless of your old job.)
What makes such difficult to spot is that it must be done in a far less developed, almost larval stage, not as a fully developed entity. It is the bad seed in fertile ground that burns whole continents.
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There are distinct socioeconomic similarities between America today and Weimar Germany, and those are the real cause for concern. A person who could have been a Hitler would not have reached that pinnacle of evil without the fertile situation in which he developed, they would have been a mere footnote instead of the subject of libraries.
But because the poor economy, high unemployment ("low workforce participation"), a ready-made scapegoat class (welfare recipients, invading illegals, and 'refugees'), the perception of lost military effectiveness due to mismanagement at political levels, the slide in national prestige on the world stage, and the question of national debt, all exist, one who promises to solve our ills and take care of the undesirables, to put the country back to work, and improve the economy (while beating the Communists!) will indeed receive a great deal of support. Perhaps far more than they should, and there are plenty of mechanisms in place by which an already largely nationalized police force and myriad agencies can impose totalitarianism without passing a single new law, just ignoring some fundamental old ones.
Human nature says that as long as those abuses are aimed at the targets of the majority's angst or anger, the abusive nature of those actions will be ignored or encouraged, and the cries to quash such dissent as may appear will be shrill, indeed
Comparing any politician now who isn't a full blown totalitarian with someone with the power and existing mechanisms to just dive in and start extermination of entire subgroups would be folly. (Sorry, once you enter the arena, you become a politician, regardless of your old job.)
What makes such difficult to spot is that it must be done in a far less developed, almost larval stage, not as a fully developed entity. It is the bad seed in fertile ground that burns whole continents.
Excellent analysis. Both of you. :beer:
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No. There are a myriad of sources and I'm done playing that game. Trump has always been a liberal.
Now he says he's a conservative. All he has to show is a good speech spoken at the 4th grade level. He wants to be President based on his conservative credentials. It's up to him to prove it.
We all know he won't and Trump supporters sure aren't gonna hold his feet to the fire.
There is no "game". You lied and you were called on it. Be an adult and take responsibility.
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There is no "game". You lied and you were called on it. Be an adult and take responsibility.
A much easier way to stay out of trouble would be to say instead, "Let the evidence show that @driftdiver can't support.....", and move on.
You know you're in the cross-hairs
Deep breaths....Deep breaths... :laugh:
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Trump has contributed nearly a half million dollars to the Republican party in the last decade. Is that liberal? How much have Cruz and Kasich contributed? (Both on the government payroll)
When we question his donations to Democrats, we are assured that that is 'just business'. In that light, I attribute the same heartfelt sense of principle to his Republican donations: "just business".
Ideologically, they mean noting or they mean something, but my bet is on the former, buying access to TPTB and nothing more. Had his contributions been solely to Republicans, I might be able to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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A much easier way to stay out of trouble would be to say instead, "Let the evidence show that @driftdiver can't support.....", and move on.
You know you're in the cross-hairs
Deep breaths....Deep breaths... :laugh:
Some "Interventions" work. Some...not so much. :beer:
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The "it's just business" excuse has never seemed very persuasive to me. You have plenty of closely-held businesses, like Koch Industries, Facebook, etc., who give political donations only to one side. And yet, it doesn't seem to prevent them from being very successful.
The most logical conclusion to be draw from that is that Trump never really cared about those issues very much at all. Which is kind of odd for a guy running for President, because you'd like to think anyone wanting that job would be doing so because of some pretty deeply held convictions.
It's clear that he never had convictions about most issues because he has completely reversed most of the things he's said in the past, and even of late has voiced basically opposite views, sometimes in the same interview.
In a recent interview on Life issues, it was painfully evident that he had never even given a thought to the reality of abortion, or what Pro-life groups do. (It was the interview when he said that women who have abortions should be punished and sent to jail. **nononono* ). And it had been evident also in the debate when he fully supported Planned Parenthood while claiming to be Pro-Life.
He just hasn't thought about issues at all. And for me, that is frightening when you think that he's trying to become the most powerful person on the planet.
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There is no "game". You lied and you were called on it. Be an adult and take responsibility.
I lied? Nonsense
Everytime the issue of his donation s come up Trump's defenders go off the deep end. It's been posted and is readily available that he's given heavily to democrats. I clouding mccauliff in the last election.
Trump chose to help democrats. Whatever his reason they have benefits from his choices.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie.
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I lied? Nonsense
Everytime the issue of his donation s come up Trump's defenders go off the deep end. It's been posted and is readily available that he's given heavily to democrats. I clouding mccauliff in the last election.
Trump chose to help democrats. Whatever his reason they have benefits from his choices.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie.
Obviously you didn't lie. We all know that.
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A much easier way to stay out of trouble would be to say instead, "Let the evidence show that @driftdiver can't support.....", and move on.
You know you're in the cross-hairs
Deep breaths....Deep breaths... :laugh:
I've been told "nobody likes you" so I'm not surprised I'm in the cross-hairs of the anti-Trump clique/cult I believe in being forthright, but not vulgar. I have little patience with posters who knowingly lie. I was at the Doctor yesterday and my BP is 129/64. Not bad for a senior.
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I lied? Nonsense
Everytime the issue of his donation s come up Trump's defenders go off the deep end. It's been posted and is readily available that he's given heavily to democrats. I clouding mccauliff in the last election.
Trump chose to help democrats. Whatever his reason they have benefits from his choices.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie.
Agree. When I found out that Trump donated to California AG Kamala Harris, the queen of sanctuary cities, and who recently authorized a Cal DOJ raid against David Daleiden the guy responsible for the planned parenthood videos it sickened me. If you ask any conservative Californian about Harris they will tell you there is no excuse for donating to her.
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There are distinct socioeconomic similarities between America today and Weimar Germany, and those are the real cause for concern. A person who could have been a Hitler would not have reached that pinnacle of evil without the fertile situation in which he developed, they would have been a mere footnote instead of the subject of libraries.
But because the poor economy, high unemployment ("low workforce participation"), a ready-made scapegoat class (welfare recipients, invading illegals, and 'refugees'), the perception of lost military effectiveness due to mismanagement at political levels, the slide in national prestige on the world stage, and the question of national debt, all exist, one who promises to solve our ills and take care of the undesirables, to put the country back to work, and improve the economy (while beating the Communists!) will indeed receive a great deal of support. Perhaps far more than they should, and there are plenty of mechanisms in place by which an already largely nationalized police force and myriad agencies can impose totalitarianism without passing a single new law, just ignoring some fundamental old ones.
Human nature says that as long as those abuses are aimed at the targets of the majority's angst or anger, the abusive nature of those actions will be ignored or encouraged, and the cries to quash such dissent as may appear will be shrill, indeed
Comparing any politician now who isn't a full blown totalitarian with someone with the power and existing mechanisms to just dive in and start extermination of entire subgroups would be folly. (Sorry, once you enter the arena, you become a politician, regardless of your old job.)
What makes such difficult to spot is that it must be done in a far less developed, almost larval stage, not as a fully developed entity. It is the bad seed in fertile ground that burns whole continents.
Good lord, not another Hitler/Weimar Republic comparison. Lets be clear, from the vantage point of a real analysis of actual historical context.
1) The economy of post-war Germany in no way equates to our current situation. Unless you've seen people with wheel-barrels full of dollars heading to the 7/11, there is no analogy whatsoever. Weimar had rampant inflation (the value of the mark went from 4.2 per dollar to a million per dollar), in comparison we have incredibly low inflation. Weimar unemployment was VASTLY worse than that here in the US...hovering around 31%. Weimar's economic base was gutted from WWI, ours faces no such calamity.
2) In social terms, there is also virtually no viable comparisons between Weimar and the current US situation. Most importantly, Germany had no democratic tradition and very weak institutions for furthering elective politics...in the Weimar era, it was an oligarchic monarchy. In plain language, Germany had a history of rule by strongman and the transition back to that style of rule was facile. The US has 200 years of Republican governance, and a tradition of free speech and protest...accompanied by a broad Bill of Rights. Such traditions are ingrained in the American psyche, diamatrically different then the mentality in Weimar and pre-WWII Germany. Additionally, Europe on a broader scale, including Germany, was rife with a deep-seated anti-semitism and an acceptance of absurdities like eugenics. The German people were poorly educated, with minimal literacy at under 80%.
So, basically, the modern US culture, economy and military situation are as diametrically different as could be imagined from Weimar Germany. They bear virtually no analogous functions in terms of structure, performance and overall social/political psychology. Making such a comparison is little more than an effort to generate false perceptions of current politicians and ideologies at best, and a sign of an utter lack of understanding of the mechanics of historical causation at worst. Just stop.
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I lied? Nonsense
Everytime the issue of his donation s come up Trump's defenders go off the deep end. It's been posted and is readily available that he's given heavily to democrats. I clouding mccauliff in the last election.
Trump chose to help democrats. Whatever his reason they have benefits from his choices.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.
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The "it's just business" excuse has never seemed very persuasive to me. You have plenty of closely-held businesses, like Koch Industries, Facebook, etc., who give political donations only to one side. And yet, it doesn't seem to prevent them from being very successful.
The most logical conclusion to be draw from that is that Trump never really cared about those issues very much at all. Which is kind of odd for a guy running for President, because you'd like to think anyone wanting that job would be doing so because of some pretty deeply held convictions.
Its not "odd" at all. Most people live their lives with little more than a passing care about politics...and rich people are not immune from that attitude. Mr. Trump gave money to politicians in ways that would help his businesses to prosper, something essential to someone in real estate in particular. Late in life, he was no longer able to block out the absurdity of what has been happening to this country politically, and he has arrived belatedly at the political table.
In some ways, admittedly, he is still forming his detailed sense of ideology...he approaches problems from a business and practical point of view. Thank god. This does not mean he has no core, nor does it mean he isn't attached to a conservative perspective...it just means he applies common sense before he concedes to purely ideological orthodoxy.
In all honesty, its a big part of why people are supporting him. So bringing up donations and or casual views he had on some issues in the past tells you NOTHING of his current beliefs...which are no mystery, as he is using great candor and articulation to tell you these beliefs in plain language.
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In some ways, admittedly, he is still forming his detailed sense of ideology...he approaches problems from a business and practical point of view. Thank god. This does not mean he has no core, nor does it mean he isn't attached to a conservative perspective...it just means he applies common sense before he concedes to purely ideological orthodoxy.
Practical ideas such as ensuring that babies conceived in rape or incest do not see the light of the day and threatening to alter the GOP party platform to reflect that 'common sense' ideal. Or giving the 'who cares' shrug-like signal to those concerned about trannies and other moral deviants prowling the women's room. Sorry, I'm not going to wait around for Donald to evolve and find his inner conservative.
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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.
So he has given heavily to the dems? Is that what you're saying?
Including significant donations in the last couple of years.
Would our country be different if the Don used his influence to help conservatives? Heck if he helped the GOP?
Or a crazy idea, would we be better if he wasn't helping the dems?
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Practical ideas such as ensuring that babies conceived in rape or incest do not see the light of the day and threatening to alter the GOP party platform to reflect that 'common sense' ideal. Or giving the 'who cares' shrug-like signal to those concerned about trannies and other moral deviants prowling the women's room. Sorry, I'm not going to wait around for Donald to evolve and find his inner conservative.
A pro-life stance with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother is in synch with the majority of conservatives and GOP voters. While all life should be valued, the life of the mother in such situations also matters. I'm not arguing the issue with you, as that is a pointless endeavor, but Trump's view is very mainstream GOP on the topic...platform or no platform.
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But that's kind of the point. I don't want someone in office who does not have well-grounded, well-thought out beliefs. That road leads to seat-of-the-pants pragmatism and short-sightedness.
Saying "we can't be sure he isn't a conservative" -- which is what all that really boils down to -- is not very comforting. Maybe he's a conservative, maybe he's not. Maybe he's a liberal, maybe he's not. I'm not asking for a rigid ideologue, but I'd at least like to have an idea of where his core actually lies. And I truly have no idea. I'm not going to recount all the contradictory positions he's espoused, but suffice it to say I don't think anyone can say with any degree of confidence that he believes in "X". Unless "X" is Donald Trump.
I agree with that, which is oddly similar in some sense to Obama's early appeal. If it's not really clear where he's coming from -- and it wasn't to at least some folks who were suckered in -- then you can be all things to a lot more people. Voters will read into your statements what they believe themselves, and be comforted. But it may not be reality at all.
That, I don't agree with. He put out a tax plan that said the top rate will be lowered to 25%, then he states that he wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, which is a direct contradiction. So how are his views "no mystery"? I still don't know what he's really going to do with people who are here illegally, and I don't know what he's going to do about the military other than make it "great". He just doesn't have specifics.
The one thing on which he has been completely consistent is that he is against any entitlement reform, which to me marks him as a non-conservative almost by definition.
Look, if you want someone who's not a career politician and "part" of the problem, you have to look to someone who's had success outside of politics. When you do that, you're going to get a guy who's not polished on every talking point, who has not immersed himself in ideology and orthodoxy, and who...in all honesty...still has a learning curve on some complex issues. Such a man must be someone who has a history of surrounding himself with people that can backfill his own shortcomings. So you're not wrong that he is lacking in details on some issues...and not especially well versed on others. He will become so over time, but right now the important thing is to put a man in the White House who has common sense, intellect, wisdom and a great skill at delegation. That man is Donald Trump.
The illusion many want to sell, is that regular citizens like Mr. Trump are unqualified to be President because they have spent their entire life in debate club, attaining a Masters in Poly Sci or Law, and lack 40 years of lobbying and running for office. The truth is, the kind of experience that makes a good president, is precisely the opposite of such qualifications...what's need is a citizen, who's life has NOT been absorbed with politics and its study, and someone who has demonstrated great talent in his chosen field of endeavor. A man/woman who is a leader, not a politician...that is what we need, and that is what we get with Trump. He has his failings...a big ego and a crass manner of speech at times...but he knows how to influence and thus how to lead.
The alternative is a professional politician, like Mr. Cruz, who is rigidly bound to ideology over common sense and practicality. A man with poor leadership skills, who is hated by his colleagues not for his ideology but for his personal selfishness and self-promotion, and who cannot offer any appeal for voters outside the Evangelical voting block. That seems like a no-brainer of a choice, but I guess we all have to make our own call.
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The one thing on which he has been completely consistent is that he is against any entitlement reform, which to me marks him as a non-conservative almost by definition.
That was a big flag for me. Particularly when he said that entitlements won't be an issue because he's going to grow the economy. I saw that same thing here in CA with CALPERS and the state employee unions who had used future projected pension fund earnings as a basis for calculating wage and benefit compensation in present day collective bargaining agreements. We all know how that turned out.
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Yes, but in terms of Constitutional structure and traditions, they are world's apart. The Weimar Republic and its constitution were invented in the aftermath of WWI and never really took root. And it was particularly foreign to the military -- especially the Junker officer class.
Here, we have a military culture, tradition, and officer corps that would not tolerate anyone openly exceeding their Constitutional authority in the manner contemplated by the Enabling Acts.
The Weimar Constitution was weakly held as a tradition, and it represented cultural change.
In our case, we do have a Constitution, but it has been incrementally obscured in the minds of the citizenry by pet programs, some of which are as old as most living. How many would step up to the plate and say that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Public Housing, and a host of other Federal activities are indeed extra-Constitutional, and without Authorization? (That's just a warmup.)
Add to that legislating from the bench which has added a host of alleged "Rights" which do not conform with original intent, from Roe, to Kelo, to Obamacare 'taxes', and the Founders would be hard pressed to find the tattered remnants of the Constitution and Bill of Rights woven into the fabric of the current Federal Government.
In short, most don't have any idea what the document says, authorizes, nor that it was intended to severely limit the size and scope of the government they take for granted. The affection of people for the actual document and original intent is nowhere close to waving it around when convenient. People have become as disconnected from that Original Intent as the Weimar Republic in that neither really knows nor understands the concept as written.
We also have our political class, the favored, the often exempt government multitude presiding over their individual fiefdoms of regulation and turf, who are similar to the Junkers, in that they are not quite military, not quite police, but carry the ability of the former and the authority of the latter, and are referred to as "Agent", "Special Agent", "Director" and a host of other titles. They are armed, they carry weapons, they are often veterans, and they follow orders.
Despite the oathkeepers in the ranks, there are many who will follow orders. Add to the Armed Forces, that 'shadow army' of tens of thousands of Agency Personnel, not limited to the FBI, BATF, and other more familiar agencies but down to the USFWS (US Fish and Wildlife Service) and Department of Energy which are authorized to carry and use lethal force.
The totalitarians would not use the rank and file Army or Marines against civilians (Legally, they can't Possee Comitatus prevents it), but that will not stop the agency 'police' nor those State and local police organizations asked to assist which have received military hardware including APCs, Bomb proof vehicles, drones, body armor, and other hardware with the same efficiency, and many of those officers are veterans.
With the rhetoric tending toward calling ordinary conservative, gun toting, and especially Bible-believing civilians "Domestic Terrorists" and "cults", it isn't a far cry to turn all that hardware and know-how on the "enemy" (us) in the event of any real or claimed acts of resistance, violence, or terrorism
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What could spark such controversy that that would happen? Try an Australian style ban of semiautomatic weapons, or magazines larger than 10 rounds: turn them or the government will come get them. A major 'racist' disruption like Baltimore or Fergusson: Blood in the Streets, and the more it happened, the worse it would get until...Martial Law.
Because the media would spin the story as they were told or lose their broadcast licenses, the information contrary to the official story allowed to get out would be very limited, and immediately decried as AGITPROP aimed at causing trouble and getting the people unjustly riled against those officers and officials just doing their sworn duty. "Conspiracy theory" and dismissed, while the official version would be repeated ad infinitum, ad nauseum, until it was widely believed. Lather, rinse, repeat. Like the VHS tapes I saw from Ruby Ridge, hand delivered copies of copies of copies, by way of a friend, the (officially) unfiltered information from the site would be traveling slowly, on thumb drives and CDs and DVDs, not through the interwebs where the file could be easily doped with a virus and the virus disseminated.
When you consider that an obscure church group was presented to a public, (some of which still believes it engaged in sexual impropriety with children, manufactured meth, was in possession of illegal and fully automatic weapons, and ambushed and killed BATF agents just trying to investigate allegations of child abuse before a long standoff which ended when they set their own home on fire on a windy day and burned themselves to death, the power of the media controlling the message becomes manifest.
Although other accounts did escape the carnage and conflagration, and thinking people debunked much of the official story, there were no arrests of government officials, no convictions arose, and the government issue version of events remains the one told when the issue is revisited by any but those who did their own research. Even FLIR interpreters started waking up dead in the morning when those tapes became available, until one was found who would testify (before Congress) that the flashes on the video were reflections off broken glass and debris and not the result of gunfire.
Now, turn that same media machine loose on a different series of events, jam the cell phone towers, block the internet from the trouble zone (and blame it on the 'terrorists'), and you can do virtually anything, especially after evacuating people in the vicinity of the operation for 'reasons of public safety'. The government controlled version will be the only one heard, and if any got out, it can be tracked by keyword analysis and the perpetrators can be made to 'have an accident' or disappear. There are a huge number of boogeymen out there to blame for the messy demise of a person or their family and friends, and supporting information can be manufactured and disseminated at will. After all, they might have been your neighbor, but 'you never really know a person', right?
It all could sound horribly paranoid, but ask Lavoy Finicum, Michael Schroeder, Gordon Kahl, Vicki Weaver, or the folks down at M.O.V.E in Philly about that. Oh, you can't. They are all dead.
The tools are there, hanging on the wall for all to see, just waiting for someone to abuse them.
With information screened and restricted and with just a few facebook and twitter 'sources' singing the party line into the interwebs, the whole perception of any event would be whatever the government issued. Because that perception would be distorted, there would be little or no conflicting information, especially for the troops called in to restore order. Only those who knew someone in the area (and who could be mostly screened out of the op) would know something was amiss, if they caught on. The rest would follow orders, as they were commanded to do or face courts martial and a possible DD.
Now, for the Military, and God Bless everyone who has served or is serving, the Military is being used for social experimentation. The authority for this, the actual orders may be mandated by the POTUS, but are in fact delivered by officers of flag rank. As they say, a fish rots from the head down, but the lower ranks are following orders, no matter what they think of them, at least until their term of service is over.
Pack the military with homosexuals and minorities and you have stacked the deck with people from generally frustrated and angry backgrounds, who are more likely to harbor anger toward either whites or 'straights' and all those judgemental church going types who looked down their noses at best or "held them down" at worst, and you have a powder keg, like the SA.
I am sorry, there are some in the Military we could count on not to participate against civilians, hopefully the vast majority, but I think there are enough who would do what they are told to make things very, very ugly. Small arms, even well applied, are no match for a modern army.
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Anyone have any spare aluminum foil?
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So he has given heavily to the dems? Is that what you're saying?
Including significant donations in the last couple of years.
Would our country be different if the Don used his influence to help conservatives? Heck if he helped the GOP?
Or a crazy idea, would we be better if he wasn't helping the dems?
You stated; "He's given even more to democrats."
No, he hasn't. Don't you read?
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.
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The Weimar Constitution was weakly held as a tradition, and it represented cultural change.
In our case, we do have a Constitution, but it has been incrementally obscured in the minds of the citizenry by pet programs, some of which are as old as most living. How many would step up to the plate and say that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Public Housing, and a host of other Federal activities are indeed extra-Constitutional, and without Authorization? (That's just a warmup.)
Add to that legislating from the bench which has added a host of alleged "Rights" which do not conform with original intent, from Roe, to Kelo, to Obamacare 'taxes', and the Founders would be hard pressed to find the tattered remnants of the Constitution and Bill of Rights woven into the fabric of the current Federal Government.
In short, most don't have any idea what the document says, authorizes, nor that it was intended to severely limit the size and scope of the government they take for granted. The affection of people for the actual document and original intent is nowhere close to waving it around when convenient. People have become as disconnected from that Original Intent as the Weimar Republic in that neither really knows nor understands the concept as written.
We also have our political class, the favored, the often exempt government multitude presiding over their individual fiefdoms of regulation and turf, who are similar to the Junkers, in that they are not quite military, not quite police, but carry the ability of the former and the authority of the latter, and are referred to as "Agent", "Special Agent", "Director" and a host of other titles. They are armed, they carry weapons, they are often veterans, and they follow orders.
Despite the oathkeepers in the ranks, there are many who will follow orders. Add to the Armed Forces, that 'shadow army' of tens of thousands of Agency Personnel, not limited to the FBI, BATF, and other more familiar agencies but down to the USFWS (US Fish and Wildlife Service) and Department of Energy which are authorized to carry and use lethal force.
The totalitarians would not use the rank and file Army or Marines against civilians (Legally, they can't Possee Comitatus prevents it), but that will not stop the agency 'police' nor those State and local police organizations asked to assist which have received military hardware including APCs, Bomb proof vehicles, drones, body armor, and other hardware with the same efficiency, and many of those officers are veterans.
With the rhetoric tending toward calling ordinary conservative, gun toting, and especially Bible-believing civilians "Domestic Terrorists" and "cults", it isn't a far cry to turn all that hardware and know-how on the "enemy" (us) in the event of any real or claimed acts of resistance, violence, or terrorism
.
What could spark such controversy that that would happen? Try an Australian style ban of semiautomatic weapons, or magazines larger than 10 rounds: turn them or the government will come get them. A major 'racist' disruption like Baltimore or Fergusson: Blood in the Streets, and the more it happened, the worse it would get until...Martial Law.
Because the media would spin the story as they were told or lose their broadcast licenses, the information contrary to the official story allowed to get out would be very limited, and immediately decried as AGITPROP aimed at causing trouble and getting the people unjustly riled against those officers and officials just doing their sworn duty. "Conspiracy theory" and dismissed, while the official version would be repeated ad infinitum, ad nauseum, until it was widely believed. Lather, rinse, repeat. Like the VHS tapes I saw from Ruby Ridge, hand delivered copies of copies of copies, by way of a friend, the (officially) unfiltered information from the site would be traveling slowly, on thumb drives and CDs and DVDs, not through the interwebs where the file could be easily doped with a virus and the virus disseminated.
When you consider that an obscure church group was presented to a public, (some of which still believes it engaged in sexual impropriety with children, manufactured meth, was in possession of illegal and fully automatic weapons, and ambushed and killed BATF agents just trying to investigate allegations of child abuse before a long standoff which ended when they set their own home on fire on a windy day and burned themselves to death, the power of the media controlling the message becomes manifest.
Although other accounts did escape the carnage and conflagration, and thinking people debunked much of the official story, there were no arrests of government officials, no convictions arose, and the government issue version of events remains the one told when the issue is revisited by any but those who did their own research. Even FLIR interpreters started waking up dead in the morning when those tapes became available, until one was found who would testify (before Congress) that the flashes on the video were reflections off broken glass and debris and not the result of gunfire.
Now, turn that same media machine loose on a different series of events, jam the cell phone towers, block the internet from the trouble zone (and blame it on the 'terrorists'), and you can do virtually anything, especially after evacuating people in the vicinity of the operation for 'reasons of public safety'. The government controlled version will be the only one heard, and if any got out, it can be tracked by keyword analysis and the perpetrators can be made to 'have an accident' or disappear. There are a huge number of boogeymen out there to blame for the messy demise of a person or their family and friends, and supporting information can be manufactured and disseminated at will. After all, they might have been your neighbor, but 'you never really know a person', right?
It all could sound horribly paranoid, but ask Lavoy Finicum, Michael Schroeder, Gordon Kahl, Vicki Weaver, or the folks down at M.O.V.E in Philly about that. Oh, you can't. They are all dead.
The tools are there, hanging on the wall for all to see, just waiting for someone to abuse them.
With information screened and restricted and with just a few facebook and twitter 'sources' singing the party line into the interwebs, the whole perception of any event would be whatever the government issued. Because that perception would be distorted, there would be little or no conflicting information, especially for the troops called in to restore order. Only those who knew someone in the area (and who could be mostly screened out of the op) would know something was amiss, if they caught on. The rest would follow orders, as they were commanded to do or face courts martial and a possible DD.
Now, for the Military, and God Bless everyone who has served or is serving, the Military is being used for social experimentation. The authority for this, the actual orders may be mandated by the POTUS, but are in fact delivered by officers of flag rank. As they say, a fish rots from the head down, but the lower ranks are following orders, no matter what they think of them, at least until their term of service is over.
Pack the military with homosexuals and minorities and you have stacked the deck with people from generally frustrated and angry backgrounds, who are more likely to harbor anger toward either whites or 'straights' and all those judgemental church going types who looked down their noses at best or "held them down" at worst, and you have a powder keg, like the SA.
I am sorry, there are some in the Military we could count on not to participate against civilians, hopefully the vast majority, but I think there are enough who would do what they are told to make things very, very ugly. Small arms, even well applied, are no match for a modern army.
The world, and America, is not how it's portrayed at the TOS. Quite frankly, that site is a cult, brainwashing its members. Take some time to shake that disinformation out.
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Government bureaucrats have to follow the law just as much as you.
And guys like Lavoy Finicum were engaged in an armed insurrection against the US. They seized a USG facility just the same as with Fort Sumter.
I'd hazard they were treated with kid gloves.
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Weimar had rampant inflation (the value of the mark went from 4.2 per dollar to a million per dollar), in comparison we have incredibly low inflation. Weimar unemployment was VASTLY worse than that here in the US...hovering around 31%. Weimar's economic base was gutted from WWI, ours faces no such calamity.
2) In social terms, there is also virtually no viable comparisons between Weimar and the current US situation. Most importantly, Germany had no democratic tradition and very weak institutions for furthering elective politics...in the Weimar era, it was an oligarchic monarchy. In plain language, Germany had a history of rule by strongman and the transition back to that style of rule was facile. The US has 200 years of Republican governance, and a tradition of free speech and protest...accompanied by a broad Bill of Rights. Such traditions are ingrained in the American psyche, diamatrically different then the mentality in Weimar and pre-WWII Germany. Additionally, Europe on a broader scale, including Germany, was rife with a deep-seated anti-semitism and an acceptance of absurdities like eugenics. The German people were poorly educated, with minimal literacy at under 80%.
So, basically, the modern US culture, economy and military situation are as diametrically different as could be imagined from Weimar Germany. They bear virtually no analogous functions in terms of structure, performance and overall social/political psychology. Making such a comparison is little more than an effort to generate false perceptions of current politicians and ideologies at best, and a sign of an utter lack of understanding of the mechanics of historical causation at worst. Just stop.
Well, we are told we have low to no inflation. But the packages keep getting smaller, and the stuff more expensive. If you are going by the government’s numbers, you can say it doesn’t exist. If you are shopping for groceries, you might have a different take on things. Meat prices have doubled, and much else has gone up noticeably in the last five years.
As for unemployment, if you use workforce participation as opposed to the officially (benefits drawing) unemployed, you get a number closer to 21% of the people in America of working age who are not working. Part time and under employment would only add to those numbers. The landscape is far more grim than the official numbers would imply. During the latest oil boom in North Dakota I had the opportunity to talk with people form literally every state in the union and Puerto Rico about how things were back home. The picture that painted was far less rosy than official versions, and many were barely getting by or were not. Many came to North Dakota to work on oil rigs to save their homes form foreclosure.
You can say the Weimar Republic didn’t have a strong democratic tradition, but neither do we. Oh, we vote, but this is not a Democracy. It is a Republic. Only a fraction of those eligible vote. With the average person’s knowledge of the Constitution, I’d say we are nearly as ignorant of our own form of government as they of theirs, and with the recent advent of Communist mobs in the streets, yes, there are similarities. Americans vote for THE guy who will get the job done. What is that if not a ‘strongman’—just listen to some of the campaign rhetoric this year.
We may have a Bill of Rights, but we have a fine tradition of rioting in the streets. Only lately has the government not taken an interest in quashing such, and that is transparently racist in its origin. We have been divided into factions in America as never before by media and political rhetoric. Those factions are ripe to be played one against the other.
We may not have antisemitism, but it need not be Jews who are the scapegoats of those who are not doing well. In America, we have Illegal aliens and H1B visa holders, welfare queens and third generation baby mamas. OTOH, there is always the “1%”, which the communists are trying to convince American youth are not deserving of their wealth and should be stripped of it because it is “unfair”. Any of those or a combination could become the focus of a pogrom.
As for eugenics, the 50,000,000 babies not born since Roe v Wade come from demographics out of proportion to their appearance among the living. Add to that Physician assisted suicide, The Terry Schiavo case, genetic testing in utero to eliminate babies who would be (allegedly) born with birth defects, and yes, eugenics is alive and well in America, and, if anything gaining traction with ‘assisted suicide’.
Please note, I am not mentioning any candidate.
I am mentioning what I see as similarities in situations that gave rise to less than desirable results. Our problems do not have to be as bad as they were there, then. It is the people’s perceptions of those problems, and how they perceive solutions which will make any difference. You and I are not typical Americans, in that we are having this discussion which you seem to feel is unjustified. You are looking at a number of specific differences while I am looking at broader trends. I agree the specifics will likely never again align, but the broader trends and the perception of them will. If we are vigilant, perhaps we can prevent that possible unpleasant outcome. If not, we won’t. That is the spirit in which the points were made in the first place.
Whether we are in agreement or not, the one thing required for such unpleasantries to happen here is for us to completely believe they cannot.
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Well, we are told we have low to no inflation. But the packages keep getting smaller, and the stuff more expensive. If you are going by the government’s numbers, you can say it doesn’t exist. If you are shopping for groceries, you might have a different take on things. Meat prices have doubled, and much else has gone up noticeably in the last five years.
As for unemployment, if you use workforce participation as opposed to the officially (benefits drawing) unemployed, you get a number closer to 21% of the people in America of working age who are not working. Part time and under employment would only add to those numbers. The landscape is far more grim than the official numbers would imply. During the latest oil boom in North Dakota I had the opportunity to talk with people form literally every state in the union and Puerto Rico about how things were back home. The picture that painted was far less rosy than official versions, and many were barely getting by or were not. Many came to North Dakota to work on oil rigs to save their homes form foreclosure.
You can say the Weimar Republic didn’t have a strong democratic tradition, but neither do we. Oh, we vote, but this is not a Democracy. It is a Republic. Only a fraction of those eligible vote. With the average person’s knowledge of the Constitution, I’d say we are nearly as ignorant of our own form of government as they of theirs, and with the recent advent of Communist mobs in the streets, yes, there are similarities. Americans vote for THE guy who will get the job done. What is that if not a ‘strongman’—just listen to some of the campaign rhetoric this year.
We may have a Bill of Rights, but we have a fine tradition of rioting in the streets. Only lately has the government not taken an interest in quashing such, and that is transparently racist in its origin. We have been divided into factions in America as never before by media and political rhetoric. Those factions are ripe to be played one against the other.
We may not have antisemitism, but it need not be Jews who are the scapegoats of those who are not doing well. In America, we have Illegal aliens and H1B visa holders, welfare queens and third generation baby mamas. OTOH, there is always the “1%”, which the communists are trying to convince American youth are not deserving of their wealth and should be stripped of it because it is “unfair”. Any of those or a combination could become the focus of a pogrom.
As for eugenics, the 50,000,000 babies not born since Roe v Wade come from demographics out of proportion to their appearance among the living. Add to that Physician assisted suicide, The Terry Schiavo case, genetic testing in utero to eliminate babies who would be (allegedly) born with birth defects, and yes, eugenics is alive and well in America, and, if anything gaining traction with ‘assisted suicide’.
Please note, I am not mentioning any candidate.
I am mentioning what I see as similarities in situations that gave rise to less than desirable results. Our problems do not have to be as bad as they were there, then. It is the people’s perceptions of those problems, and how they perceive solutions which will make any difference. You and I are not typical Americans, in that we are having this discussion which you seem to feel is unjustified. You are looking at a number of specific differences while I am looking at broader trends. I agree the specifics will likely never again align, but the broader trends and the perception of them will. If we are vigilant, perhaps we can prevent that possible unpleasant outcome. If not, we won’t. That is the spirit in which the points were made in the first place.
Whether we are in agreement or not, the one thing required for such unpleasantries to happen here is for us to completely believe they cannot.
I have to give you full credit. You do embody the spirit and reasoning of the NeverTrump movement.
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I have to give you full credit. You do embody the spirit and reasoning of the NeverTrump movement.
And I will give you credit. You stand by your Man.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psm96Dn9KII
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The world, and America, is not how it's portrayed at the TOS. Quite frankly, that site is a cult, brainwashing its members. Take some time to shake that disinformation out.
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Government bureaucrats have to follow the law just as much as you.
And guys like Lavoy Finicum were engaged in an armed insurrection against the US. They seized a USG facility just the same as with Fort Sumter.
I'd hazard they were treated with kid gloves.
Fort Sumter was a military installation with shore guns (artillery) controlling the harbor, seized in a violent act (the fort was shelled before it surrendered).
The USG facility they were in in Oregon was nothing of the kind: not a military facility, not armed with artillery, not controlling a harbor or even navigable waterway, not a fort, and not a shot was fired when the protesters walked in. It was shut down for the off season. No Federal personnel were endangered in the seizure of that facility.
As for all the agents having to follow the law, Like these guys?:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/29/the-epa-stashes-billions-in-slush-fund-like-accounts/
Finicum was a cantankerous old man who was shot while (finally) complying with officers. He took the ditch rather than collide with the vehicles in the roadblock (no one who knows the terrain would think he would successfully navigate around the roadblock and return to driving down the road).
I won't argue he was perfect, but he had a point or two. If you know anything of the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) and Rancher relations for the past few decades, you would understand the point Finicum and others were trying to raise. Personally, I think they should have grabbed some media attention, made that point, given out a website URL, and left before anyone had time to assemble a 'command center'. They would have achieved 'awareness' and left before any violence could be brought to bear on anyone. I guess it is a question of objectives.
As for kid gloves, trying and sentencing people under antiterrorism statutes because a pasture burnoff got out of hand and went over the line a little bit is not "Kid gloves". "Kid gloves would have been a few harsh words, or for those really adamant about not burning weeds and grass, a fine for having done so. Then after conviction on the charge brought, sentencing, and sentences served, reviewing the case and sending the same persons back for more jail time on the same offense (proscribed sentence already served) because the court had failed to impose minimum sentences for terrorists is hardly 'kid gloves".
Neither is being shot and killed for being cantankerous.
While I fully agree the matter could have been handled better, all of those matters could have, without bloodshed, and without the people I mentioned getting killed. David Koresh and Gordon Kahl could have been picked up in town, alone. Randy Weaver could have been waited out, as could the folks in Philadelphia, and Lavoy and everyone else in the pickup were stuck. They were not going anywhere.
Out of all those instances, not one of the official people on the scene was ever charged, including Waco, Medina, Philadelphia, Oregon, or Idaho.
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I have to give you full credit. You do embody the spirit and reasoning of the NeverTrump movement.
Did I mention Trump in that post? Nope.
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And I will give you credit. You stand by your Man.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psm96Dn9KII
Me and Tammy Wynette!!!
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No debate, then. But, an appreciation for the straight up advocacy well stated. And THAT is what I like to see prevail over winning arguments at all costs.
Dittos.
Repub4Trump has crafted as good an argument for Trump as I have seen in a long time. Heartfelt, thoughtful, and sincere. Well done Repub4Trump.
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What a great thread. I am really digging all the new blood and thoughtful opinions. Thank you all!
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:bsflag: The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians
Well, I dunno, I hear there are solutions for that kind of problem. Ovens? No, no, that was a different religion.
Lions and the coliseums, that's the ticket!
Or maybe we can all just let ISIS figure it out; they seem to have been pretty effective in eliminating Christians in the Levant.
If you're gonna go all Trumper-hate on devout Christians, you should have the courage of your convictions and go all the way.
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Well, I dunno, I hear there are solutions for that kind of problem. Ovens? No, no, that was a different religion.
Lions and the coliseums, that's the ticket!
Or maybe we can all just let ISIS figure it out; they seem to have been pretty effective in eliminating Christians in the Levant.
If you're gonna go all Trumper-hate on devout Christians, you should have the courage of your convictions and go all the way.
It seems to me like you are not as ashamed of your beliefs as you should be. Don't you know that you are the problem with America today? Turn the other cheek!!! Forgive trespasses!! Love thy neighbor!!!
You monster!!
If I wasn't a terrible, terrible holier-than-thou Christian, A-Lert would convince me to be one...because I could not stand enduring Hell if I had to spend it with him.
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Well, I dunno, I hear there are solutions for that kind of problem. Ovens? No, no, that was a different religion.
Lions and the coliseums, that's the ticket!
Or maybe we can all just let ISIS figure it out; they seem to have been pretty effective in eliminating Christians in the Levant.
If you're gonna go all Trumper-hate on devout Christians, you should have the courage of your convictions and go all the way.
I never mentioned hate. Why did you?
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What a great thread. I am really digging all the new blood and thoughtful opinions. Thank you all!
Completely agree! Our new members have already added greatly to the discussions here.
Good stuff!
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It seems to me like you are not as ashamed of your beliefs as you should be. Don't you know that you are the problem with America today? Turn the other cheek!!! Forgive trespasses!! Love thy neighbor!!!
You monster!!
If I wasn't a terrible, terrible holier-than-thou Christian, A-Lert would convince me to be one...because I could not stand enduring Hell if I had to spend it with him.
That's the best shot to the ribs I've seen here in a while......and the last one was from you too!! LOL!!!
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To counter A-Lert's rather apparatchik approach to posting disinformation, HERE (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432444/donald-trump-donated-democrats-crooks) is an analysis from National Review of Trump's donations to New York politicians:
GOP primary voters should ask themselves if they really want to hand the Republican presidential nomination to someone who embraces cronyism, shovels 58 percent of his campaign gifts to Empire State Democrats, and backs politicians of both parties.
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To counter A-Lert's rather apparatchik approach to posting disinformation, HERE (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432444/donald-trump-donated-democrats-crooks) is an analysis from National Review of Trump's donations to New York politicians:
That any conservative would support this man is baffling to me. Those who support him might as well have voted for Algore and sKerry. The results would be similar.
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That any conservative would support this man is baffling to me. Those who support him might as well have voted for Algore and sKerry. The results would be similar.
IMHO no conservatives do however there are some folks who CALL themselves conservative who do!
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I've been told "nobody likes you" so I'm not surprised I'm in the cross-hairs of the anti-Trump clique/cult I believe in being forthright, but not vulgar. I have little patience with posters who knowingly lie. I was at the Doctor yesterday and my BP is 129/64. Not bad for a senior.
Get that diastolic up into the 70s! Vigorous walking and deep breathing should do it.
You are annoying as hell at times, but I'm sort of used to you being around now.
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That any conservative would support this man is baffling to me. Those who support him might as well have voted for Algore and sKerry. The results would be similar.
IMHO no conservatives do however there are some folks who CALL themselves conservative who do!
I believe that some genuine conservatives support Trump, in the same way I believe some genuinely compassionate people supported Obama. It's like the good girl and the bad boyfriend. People can be good, intelligent people who have for whatever reason decided to put their trust in someone who makes them a promise. When that person later disappoints them, there will be denial, rationalization, cognitive dissonance, etc., because they will often keep on trusting them despite all evidence pointing to the fact that they should not.
But then there comes a truth so real it cannot be denied, and that can lead to serious disillusionment, bitterness against all future promise makers, an inability to trust anyone, no matter how worthy they might be of that trust. That's when spirits die, and people surrender to a dismal status quo, and become slaves to their own lack of faith. That is where I fear we are headed if Trump becomes the new "boyfriend" of the would-be conservative movement. When he follows his life pattern and proves unfaithful to us, our ability to trust even good leaders will be broken for generations to come, and a long, dark night of despotism will follow that will make our 8 year war with Obama look like a pleasant stroll in the park.
Peace,
SR
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When he follows his life pattern and proves unfaithful to us, our ability to trust even good leaders will be broken for generations to come, and a long, dark night of despotism will follow that will make our 8 year war with Obama look like a pleasant stroll in the park.
If elected, Trump, the business man, will treat the federal government like a business. The goal of any business owner is to make a profit and grow his business. His first order of business will be to create the Border Wall Agency. It will rapidly become another gigantic money sucking agency that will show little real results and become yet another burden to the taxpayer.
Of course, the Carnival Barker will be in front of the camera everyday telling us how 'terrific' the agency is, that he's hired the best and brightest to run it and that construction of Trump's Wall will begin as soon as the Mexicans agree to fund the construction and all the lawsuits are settled. This, of course, will provide The Donald with the excuse that he needs not to deport any illegals since that would be a waste of time until the 'terrific' wall is completed.
Once his faithful follows realize that the primary reason they supported him will not come to fruition they will have buyers remorse but by then it will be too late.
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If elected, Trump, the business man, will treat the federal government like a business. The goal of any business owner is to make a profit and grow his business.
What an excellent point! One I have not seen before.
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Well, I dunno, I hear there are solutions for that kind of problem. Ovens? No, no, that was a different religion.
Lions and the coliseums, that's the ticket!
Or maybe we can all just let ISIS figure it out; they seem to have been pretty effective in eliminating Christians in the Levant.
If you're gonna go all Trumper-hate on devout Christians, you should have the courage of your convictions and go all the way.
Unfortunately, to a few around here, just mentioning Trump's blatant immorality brings about screeches of "holier-than-thou" anti-Christian rhetoric.
I doubt any of these few would have the courage to actually act out on their hatred of Christians in real life.
It just makes them feel like tough guys in the safety of their dark basements to attack us all for bashing their god, the Donald.......
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That any conservative would support this man is baffling to me. Those who support him might as well have voted for Algore and sKerry. The results would be similar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016
A very impressive list. Maybe anti-Trumps should question their own choices.
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Unfortunately, to a few around here, just mentioning Trump's blatant immorality brings about screeches of "holier-than-thou" anti-Christian rhetoric.
I doubt any of these few would have the courage to actually act out on their hatred of Christians in real life.
It just makes them feel like tough guys in the safety of their dark basements to attack us all for bashing their god, the Donald.......
1. Nobody I've read on here "hates" Christians.
2. Rational criticism of all candidates is quite welcome.
3. Comparing the GOP nominee to Hitler or the citizenry of Sodom and Gomorrah isn't rational criticism.
Why the need to be a martyr...what is this "blatant immorality" you speak of?
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Unfortunately, to a few around here, just mentioning Trump's blatant immorality brings about screeches of "holier-than-thou" anti-Christian rhetoric.
I doubt any of these few would have the courage to actually act out on their hatred of Christians in real life.
It just makes them feel like tough guys in the safety of their dark basements to attack us all for bashing their god, the Donald.......
I think you are mistaken in assuming Trumpers wouldn't "act out" their hatred for conservative Christians. They are driven by anger and they hate anyone who dares to oppose them. On more than one occasion at dinner with friends who are not Christian they have voiced disdain for the "social conservatives" who don't understand what's important. I've tried explaining that for me and fellow Christians the value of life and protecting the most innocent is paramount. They just shake their heads. I have asked them if they have an objective source to instruct them in their morality and to build their laws on, or if it is just will of the people that determines what's right and wrong. Trumpers usually respond it's the latter.
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I think you are mistaken in assuming Trumpers wouldn't "act out" their hatred for conservative Christians. They are driven by anger and they hate anyone who dares to oppose them.
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I think you are mistaken in assuming Trumpers wouldn't "act out" their hatred for conservative Christians. They are driven by anger and they hate anyone who dares to oppose them. On more than one occasion at dinner with friends who are not Christian they have voiced disdain for the "social conservatives" who don't understand what's important. I've tried explaining that for me and fellow Christians the value of life and protecting the most innocent is paramount. They just shake their heads. I have asked them if they have an objective source to instruct them in their morality and to build their laws on, or if it is just will of the people that determines what's right and wrong. Trumpers usually respond it's the latter.
Holy drama queens, batman!
No Trump supporters here, and none of the many I know personally, hate Christianity. Or any other religion, for that matter. Most likely in your own life, you are seeing what you want to see when you talk to pro-Trump folks. The Social Conservatives are starting to sound like the Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson "we're under siege and underprivileged" baiters...and its absurd. Drop the Victimology card and move forward.
For the record, Trump supporters don't hate Islam, Hindi, Judaism, Christianity or Rastafarians (etcetera) either....but would rather none of these groups seek to make government a branch of their belief system. Someone's faith is a personal thing, and by its nature works to shape our political views...and its important that we respect people of all religions....but we must do so without trying to set one above the other.
And let me help you out on one key point you mentioned....there IS no objective source that can instruct you on morality. This is true because "morality" is not a Christian ideal any more than it is a Buddhist or Shintoist ideal (for example). Point being, we all have our subjective and personal sources that inform our ethics and morality...and that is as it should be...not sure why that should really dominate a decision about who we vote for in this primary.
So by all means, vote for the man/woman you think is the best option available to lead the nation....but lets not pretend that Ted Cruz is any more a "moral" man than is Donald Trump...even Christianity will tell you that it is only God who can see what lies in a man's heart.
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Holy drama queens, batman!
No Trump supporters here, and none of the many I know personally, hate Christianity. Or any other religion, for that matter. Most likely in your own life, you are seeing what you want to see when you talk to pro-Trump folks. The Social Conservatives are starting to sound like the Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson "we're under siege and underprivileged" baiters...and its absurd. Drop the Victimology card and move forward.
For the record, Trump supporters don't hate Islam, Hindi, Judaism, Christianity or Rastafarians (etcetera) either....but would rather none of these groups seek to make government a branch of their belief system. Someone's faith is a personal thing, and by its nature works to shape our political views...and its important that we respect people of all religions....but we must do so without trying to set one above the other.
And let me help you out on one key point you mentioned....there IS no objective source that can instruct you on morality. This is true because "morality" is not a Christian ideal any more than it is a Buddhist or Shintoist ideal (for example). Point being, we all have our subjective and personal sources that inform our ethics and morality...and that is as it should be...not sure why that should really dominate a decision about who we vote for in this primary.
So by all means, vote for the man/woman you think is the best option available to lead the nation....but lets not pretend that Ted Cruz is any more a "moral" man than is Donald Trump...even Christianity will tell you that it is only God who can see what lies in a man's heart.
One has to wonder what lies in the heart of a man who refers to another as an "orange baboon"?
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One has to wonder what lies in the heart of a man who refers to another as an "orange baboon"?
Or Moochelle.
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Your opinion of me is worth zero, just like your candidate. LOSER!
Methinks it's time for you to go back home to Free Republic. :seeya:
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I think you are mistaken in assuming Trumpers wouldn't "act out" their hatred for conservative Christians. They are driven by anger and they hate anyone who dares to oppose them. On more than one occasion at dinner with friends who are not Christian they have voiced disdain for the "social conservatives" who don't understand what's important. I've tried explaining that for me and fellow Christians the value of life and protecting the most innocent is paramount. They just shake their heads. I have asked them if they have an objective source to instruct them in their morality and to build their laws on, or if it is just will of the people that determines what's right and wrong. Trumpers usually respond it's the latter.
Interesting insight into those who are anti-social conservative...... who bear deep animosity to those who value life and moral standards. I think you may be right that some of them might act out on their feelings against Christians.
As been pointed out above, it's happened many times throughout history and is happening right now in the Middle East.
You can see the complete apathy of the left towards the genocide going on (as evidenced by the Obama administration), and I'm afraid that some of those Progressive standards that Trump brings to the table is seeping through into the hearts of some of his followers.
That's the innate danger of making up your own rules. Without absolute moral standards, disaster is sure to follow.
btw, expect mockery from one or two here for your statement of truth. It's all they know......
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Methinks it's time for you to go back home to Free Republic. :seeya:
I never made FR my home. I was banned from there years ago and unlike most, I never looked back.
PS Look at posts in context. You did read what jazzhead posted to me, did you not?
In case you haven/t noticed, Cruz is losing.
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Interesting insight into those who are anti-social conservative...... who bear deep animosity to those who value life and moral standards. I think you may be right that some of them might act out on their feelings against Christians.
As been pointed out above, it's happened many times throughout history and is happening right now in the Middle East.
You can see the complete apathy of the left towards the genocide going on (as evidenced by the Obama administration), and I'm afraid that some of those Progressive standards that Trump brings to the table is seeping through into the hearts of some of his followers.
That's the innate danger of making up your own rules. Without absolute moral standards, disaster is sure to follow.
btw, expect mockery from one or two here for your statement of truth. It's all they know......
What Trumpers don't recognize is they are the opposite side of the same coin as the Bernie/Hillary supporters. They want govt to solve all their problems and guarantee them the life "they should have had".
I know most Trumpers don't see it, but Christianity is under attack and when Trump had the opportunity to defend it against the LGBT movement he sided with them. We are approaching the day when people will only be allowed to worship in their church, but not live out their faith once they walk out the door. Trump has no sensitivity to this nor do a lot of his followers.
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And let me help you out on one key point you mentioned....there IS no objective source that can instruct you on morality. This is true because "morality" is not a Christian ideal any more than it is a Buddhist or Shintoist ideal (for example). Point being, we all have our subjective and personal sources that inform our ethics and morality...and that is as it should be...not sure why that should really dominate a decision about who we vote for in this primary.
So by all means, vote for the man/woman you think is the best option available to lead the nation....but lets not pretend that Ted Cruz is any more a "moral" man than is Donald Trump...even Christianity will tell you that it is only God who can see what lies in a man's heart.
Thank you for illustrating the point I'm making. The USA was founded on Judeo-Christian values. The values-morality are drawn from the only objective unchanging source available, Scripture. Our laws are based on our morality. The laws may change as the people become less than they should be, but the objective source doesn't.
What you describe is mob rule. You have no objective source for truth and as a result you are subject to the whims and emotions of the day. This is why Trump is such a disaster. He is just a reflection of the mob.
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Unfortunately, to a few around here, just mentioning Trump's blatant immorality brings about screeches of "holier-than-thou" anti-Christian rhetoric.
I doubt any of these few would have the courage to actually act out on their hatred of Christians in real life.
It just makes them feel like tough guys in the safety of their dark basements to attack us all for bashing their god, the Donald.......
Not to worry musiclady. That is just a common thing for unbelievers to do when they don't have anything else. Its like the old standby for them to use when a person is a Christian. Happens all the time. Doesn't really matter what the argument. Rejoice because they first hated Jesus.
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The USA was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
Yes, yes she was. But not on the Sanhedrin model.
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Not to worry musiclady. That is just a common thing for unbelievers to do when they don't have anything else. Its like the old standby for them to use when a person is a Christian. Happens all the time. Doesn't really matter what the argument. Rejoice because they first hated Jesus.
:amen:
It's all good!
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What Trumpers don't recognize is they are the opposite side of the same coin as the Bernie/Hillary supporters. They want govt to solve all their problems and guarantee them the life "they should have had".
I know most Trumpers don't see it, but Christianity is under attack and when Trump had the opportunity to defend it against the LGBT movement he sided with them. We are approaching the day when people will only be allowed to worship in their church, but not live out their faith once they walk out the door. Trump has no sensitivity to this nor do a lot of his followers.
Every word you've said is correct.
We are facing dark days, but God is faithful!
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Every word you've said is correct.
We are facing dark days, but God is faithful!
I think that Trump is going to take us down the gay road. I actually think that he is Obama's candidate of choice who is going to continue Obama policy as he said.
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What Trumpers don't recognize is they are the opposite side of the same coin as the Bernie/Hillary supporters. They want govt to solve all their problems and guarantee them the life "they should have had".
I know most Trumpers don't see it, but Christianity is under attack and when Trump had the opportunity to defend it against the LGBT movement he sided with them. We are approaching the day when people will only be allowed to worship in their church, but not live out their faith once they walk out the door. Trump has no sensitivity to this nor do a lot of his followers.
The POTUS does not legislate, make or interpret law. Neither do we citizens.
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I think that Trump is going to take us down the gay road.
What, specifically, would President Cruz need to do to change the direction?
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What, specifically, would President Cruz need to do to change the direction?
Sometimes leadership is setting a good example. Simply not celebrating gay pride or pandering for the gay vote sends a message.
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Sometimes leadership is setting a good example. Simply not celebrating gay pride or pandering for the gay vote sends a message.
So that would be enough? If President Trump doesn't celebrate gay pride and continues not to pander for the gay vote, then you'd be satisfied?
Issue handled?
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What, specifically, would President Cruz need to do to change the direction?
I know that he wouldn't support bathroom bills. I don't believe that the type of sex you desire gives you any different Constitutional rights than any other person. You know that this could be a whole discussion on its own. So we will stay reserved here. However everyone has the right to choose how to live but they don't have a right to force it on us all. I trust that Cruz is well versed in Constitutional right and would protect the rights of all citizens. Not cater to people that want to destroy the meaning of marriage. Not people that want to destroy the basic right to go into a bathroom and know that you are not in the presence of people of opposite sex. Nor have you children enter a bathroom with perverts taking advantage of decaying moral standards. And listen the liberals are all over this transgender bathroom push. It is Trump getting ready to continue Obama's legacy.
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when Trump had the opportunity to defend it against the LGBT movement he sided with them.
New Yawk values.
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So that would be enough? If President Trump doesn't celebrate gay pride and continues not to pander for the gay vote, then you'd be satisfied?
Issue handled?
I'm not sure how to answer that question as I have so many more issues where Trump fails that I think are more important. Gay rights is not in my top 10, although I understand where others see it as a central issue of moral decay.
I can't even point to a time I have disagreed with Trump on the issue of gays, although I think I would be more comfortable with Cruz on the issue as fellow Christian.
I do not want to condemn people for what they do in the privacy of their own home. At the same time I cringe at the endorsement of gay lifestyles in popular culture. I would like to see the pendulum of public sentiment swing back at least a little towards a return of discouraging homosexuality as unhealthy.
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I know that he wouldn't support bathroom bills. I don't believe that the type of sex you desire gives you any different Constitutional rights than any other person. You know that this could be a whole discussion on its own. So we will stay reserved here. However everyone has the right to choose how to live but they don't have a right to force it on us all. I trust that Cruz is well versed in Constitutional right and would protect the rights of all citizens. Not cater to people that want to destroy the meaning of marriage. Not people that want to destroy the basic right to go into a bathroom and know that you are not in the presence of people of opposite sex. Nor have you children enter a bathroom with perverts taking advantage of decaying moral standards. And listen the liberals are all over this transgender bathroom push. It is Trump getting ready to continue Obama's legacy.
So, as long as President Cruz doesn't support bathroom bills, you're good. Yes?
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I think that Trump is going to take us down the gay road. I actually think that he is Obama's candidate of choice who is going to continue Obama policy as he said.
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Absolutely hysterical! :silly:
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What, specifically, would President Cruz need to do to change the direction?
@Chosen Daughter
@Once-Ler
Specifically, Cruz has signaled he would not concede the current imbalance (gay rights trumps religious rights) as the new normal, but would work to restore a more consistently libertarian vision, i.e., where people with religious convictions are not compelled, for example, to give up baking cakes because they won't bow to the gay mainstreaming agenda. The principal means of accomplishing this is to populate the federal judiciary with justices who understand the proper balance of constitutional rights. They are less common than they should be, but they do exist. Furthermore, to the extent federal legislation can support that or other social issues, Cruz would back that sort of legislation, and would faithfully carry out those laws once passed.
My perspective on this is based on my own legal experience working for Liberty Counsel as an intern. Liberty Counsel is a Constitutional law firm specializing in the defense of people of faith, many of whom really are under siege from militant secularists working tirelessly to weaken the presence and influence in the public sphere of theism generally and Christianity in particular. If I learned anything from that experience, it is that there is no reason for believers to lay down and accept the eradication of everything they hold dear. There are many relevant areas of the law that can be affected by a president to support a true culture of liberty. We can achieve a stable balance of fundamental rights. But it will not happen if one of the most influential persons in accomplishing that balance has quit the fight before it has even started, as DT has done. DT is triangulating these issues to maximize his voting base. Cruz is a true believer. Nobody is perfect, and that includes Cruz. But based on his track record, I believe he will fight for these issues as hard or harder than Obama fought for leftist principles. That's why he has my vote.
Peace,
SR
Edited. Should be "princiPAL means," not "princiPLE means." I do that all the time. Spellchecker lets me, so it must be spell checker's fault. :whistle:
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If elected, Trump, the business man, will treat the federal government like a business. The goal of any business owner is to make a profit and grow his business. >snip<
Once his faithful follows realize that the primary reason they supported him will not come to fruition they will have buyers remorse but by then it will be too late.
A businessman would have the place run more efficiently. With the exception of the post office, the military, and the mint/bureau of engraving, there is little in the bloated Federal Leviathan I want to be more efficient, especially those agencies and Departments which have been on an extraConstitutional mission to usurp the power and Rights of We, the People. <p>Some serious downsizing would be in order, but a reduction in scope as well. When confronted with the NEA, the SEIU, the environmental lobby (recall New York banned hydraulic fracturing), the anti gun lobby (including Bloomberg), will Trump stand on the side of the Constitution--will he even know what that is? And I haven't even touched on the selling of baby parts by Planned Parenthood which has enjoyed his warm praise, nor the idea to make Obamacare more efficient instead of just eliminate it.
Nope, I'm not seeing what I want to, and combined with an autocratic nature and the overwhelming desire to 'win', regardless of whether his stance is correct, I have a very hard time even considering being neutral toward Trump, much less voting for him. The real clincher for me, though, is the blatant character assassination of Ted Cruz. Another deal-breaker, and the last straw.
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So, as long as President Cruz doesn't support bathroom bills, you're good. Yes?
Yeah right. Only Trump supporters can be that simplistic. All you have to say to them is yuuuuuuge wall. Forget it will have a yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge door.
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Nope, I'm not seeing what I want to, and combined with an autocratic nature and the overwhelming desire to 'win', regardless of whether his stance is correct, I have a very hard time even considering being neutral toward Trump, much less voting for him. The real clincher for me, though, is the blatant character assassination of Ted Cruz. Another deal-breaker, and the last straw.
If the election were today I would not vote for Trump and, if he's nominated, I'm not sure that he can do anything between now and November to change my mind.
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A businessman would have the place run more efficiently. With the exception of the post office, the military, and the mint/bureau of engraving, there is little in the bloated Federal Leviathan I want to be more efficient, especially those agencies and Departments which have been on an extraConstitutional mission to usurp the power and Rights of We, the People. <p>Some serious downsizing would be in order, but a reduction in scope as well. When confronted with the NEA, the SEIU, the environmental lobby (recall New York banned hydraulic fracturing), the anti gun lobby (including Bloomberg), will Trump stand on the side of the Constitution--will he even know what that is? And I haven't even touched on the selling of baby parts by Planned Parenthood which has enjoyed his warm praise, nor the idea to make Obamacare more efficient instead of just eliminate it.
Nope, I'm not seeing what I want to, and combined with an autocratic nature and the overwhelming desire to 'win', regardless of whether his stance is correct, I have a very hard time even considering being neutral toward Trump, much less voting for him. The real clincher for me, though, is the blatant character assassination of Ted Cruz. Another deal-breaker, and the last straw.
I can certainly understand your feelings.
Trump is doing what he needs to do...go after every single vote he can find. He's bringing more and more Independents and Democrats into his tent, and by extension, the Republican Party.
He has to do this because he's being savaged by Social Conservatives who fail him miserably in their election-year litmus tests. They seem him of weak and moral character...unwilling to acknowledge his business and developer acumen.
And, of course, he's savaged by the GOPe, who fear losing their little piece of the Fiefdom known on Capitol Hill.
My dad said..."Son! It's not how you start. It's how you finish! That's how people will remember you."
I'm convinced history will show Trump to be an enormously successful American President, a crude man of few words, with a erudite, keen grasp of any given issue.
He's the perfect man to be answering that phone at 3AM.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Once-Ler
Specifically, Cruz has signaled he would not concede the current imbalance (gay rights trumps religious rights) as the new normal, but would work to restore a more consistently libertarian vision, i.e., where people with religious convictions are not compelled, for example, to give up baking cakes because they won't bow to the gay mainstreaming agenda. The principle means of accomplishing this is to populate the federal judiciary with justices who understand the proper balance of constitutional rights. They are less common than they should be, but they do exist. Furthermore, to the extent federal legislation can support that or other social issues, Cruz would back that sort of legislation, and would faithfully carry out those laws once passed.
My perspective on this is based on my own legal experience working for Liberty Counsel as an intern. Liberty Counsel is a Constitutional law firm specializing in the defense of people of faith, many of whom really are under siege from militant secularists working tirelessly to weaken the presence and influence in the public sphere of theism generally and Christianity in particular. If I learned anything from that experience, it is that there is no reason for believers to lay down and accept the eradication of everything they hold dear. There are many relevant areas of the law that can be affected by a president to support a true culture of liberty. We can achieve a stable balance of fundamental rights. But it will not happen if one of the most influential persons in accomplishing that balance has quit the fight before it has even started, as DT has done. DT is triangulating these issues to maximize his voting base. Cruz is a true believer. Nobody is perfect, and that includes Cruz. But based on his track record, I believe he will fight for these issues as hard or harder than Obama fought for leftist principles. That's why he has my vote.
Peace,
SR
Excellent. That is really what I was trying to get at. You have clearly and precisely communicated what a Cruz presidency would do to turn this country back to the original intent of law.
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I can certainly understand your feelings.
Trump is doing what he needs to do...go after every single vote he can find. He's bringing more and more Independents and Democrats into his tent, and by extension, the Republican Party.
He has to do this because he's being savaged by Social Conservatives who fail him miserably in their election-year litmus tests. They seem him of weak and moral character...unwilling to acknowledge his business and developer acumen.
And, of course, he's savaged by the GOPe, who fear losing their little piece of the Fiefdom known on Capitol Hill.
My dad said..."Son! It's not how you start. It's how you finish! That's how people will remember you."
I'm convinced history will show Trump to be an enormously successful American President, a crude man of few words, with a erudite, keen grasp of any given issue.
He's the perfect man to be answering that phone at 3AM.
Good to see you posting in the political forum, my friend. I'm loving the TOS refugees, but it is getting way to lopsided against Trump. I can't broaden my horizons if I'm not challenged. I'd like to see a little more thoughtful Trump advocacy represented here...
not a fair fight, but at least the 30-40% support represented by primary voters.
You know where I stand. Trump may have a keen grasp of issues like immigration, distrust of the Republican party leadership, maybe even fair trade, but I doubt he holds any conviction on those issues.
Once he takes the nomination, if he takes the nomination, we will see a whole new Trump.
That being said, you offer a considered argument, in a considerate tone.
Post more. :beer:
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I'm convinced history will show Trump to be an enormously successful American President, a crude man of few words, with a erudite, keen grasp of any given issue.
I'm assuming that you mean limited vocabulary because he definitely talks more that he listens.
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I can certainly understand your feelings.
Trump is doing what he needs to do...go after every single vote he can find. He's bringing more and more Independents and Democrats into his tent, and by extension, the Republican Party.
He has to do this because he's being savaged by Social Conservatives who fail him miserably in their election-year litmus tests. They seem him of weak and moral character...unwilling to acknowledge his business and developer acumen.
And, of course, he's savaged by the GOPe, who fear losing their little piece of the Fiefdom known on Capitol Hill.
My dad said..."Son! It's not how you start. It's how you finish! That's how people will remember you."
I'm convinced history will show Trump to be an enormously successful American President, a crude man of few words, with a erudite, keen grasp of any given issue.
He's the perfect man to be answering that phone at 3AM.
Yeah! If you're crazy!
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He's the perfect man to be answering that phone at 3AM.
The biggest thing any President can do to help America is get the heck outta the way. Everything I've seen from Trump indicates "HE" is going to fix everything. That means more regulation and more executive orders.
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I do not want to condemn people for what they do in the privacy of their own home. At the same time I cringe at the endorsement of gay lifestyles in popular culture. I would like to see the pendulum of public sentiment swing back at least a little towards a return of discouraging homosexuality as unhealthy.
What people are only slowly waking up to is that leaving people alone in the privacy of their own home is no longer enough. Now you must not only endorse the homosexual agenda but you must celebrate it. If you don't you will be made to pay financially and socially. You're ability to earn a living will be destroyed and you will be shunned as a bigoted homophobe. The same thing is begining to happen with islam. You can not publicly criticize it, or point that the terrorists are only doing what they are told to do in their koran. We are fighting the collapse of western civilization. Trump is nowhere to be found on this. He's too busy "making America great again", just like obama bringing us "hope and change".
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@Once-Ler
Specifically, Cruz has signaled he would not concede the current imbalance (gay rights trumps religious rights) as the new normal, but would work to restore a more consistently libertarian vision, i.e., where people with religious convictions are not compelled, for example, to give up baking cakes because they won't bow to the gay mainstreaming agenda. The principal means of accomplishing this is to populate the federal judiciary with justices who understand the proper balance of constitutional rights. They are less common than they should be, but they do exist. Furthermore, to the extent federal legislation can support that or other social issues, Cruz would back that sort of legislation, and would faithfully carry out those laws once passed.
My perspective on this is based on my own legal experience working for Liberty Counsel as an intern. Liberty Counsel is a Constitutional law firm specializing in the defense of people of faith, many of whom really are under siege from militant secularists working tirelessly to weaken the presence and influence in the public sphere of theism generally and Christianity in particular. If I learned anything from that experience, it is that there is no reason for believers to lay down and accept the eradication of everything they hold dear. There are many relevant areas of the law that can be affected by a president to support a true culture of liberty. We can achieve a stable balance of fundamental rights. But it will not happen if one of the most influential persons in accomplishing that balance has quit the fight before it has even started, as DT has done. DT is triangulating these issues to maximize his voting base. Cruz is a true believer. Nobody is perfect, and that includes Cruz. But based on his track record, I believe he will fight for these issues as hard or harder than Obama fought for leftist principles. That's why he has my vote.
Peace,
SR
Edited. Should be "princiPAL means," not "princiPLE means." I do that all the time. Spellchecker lets me, so it must be spell checker's fault. :whistle:
:amen:
Couldn't say it better. One of the reasons I support Cruz is throughout his time in DC he has not wavered in supporting conservative positions. He has been under attack almost from the get go by the GOPe, such as Boehner, but he just keeps pushing ahead. I am more confident he will do what he says if he's elected POTUS than I have been in a long time.
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What people are only slowly waking up to is that leaving people alone in the privacy of their own home is no longer enough. Now you must not only endorse the homosexual agenda but you must celebrate it. If you don't you will be made to pay financially and socially. You're ability to earn a living will be destroyed and you will be shunned as a bigoted homophobe. The same thing is begining to happen with islam. You can not publicly criticize it, or point that the terrorists are only doing what they are told to do in their koran. We are fighting the collapse of western civilization. Trump is nowhere to be found on this. He's too busy "making America great again", just like obama bringing us "hope and change".
Given that as you say Trump is not going to do anything about the homosexual agenda, what is it you want or think Cruz will do?
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If elected, Trump, the business man, will treat the federal government like a business. The goal of any business owner is to make a profit and grow his business.
Spot on. I commented on another thread that equating business success (especially in unsavory business) as a proof of POTUS competency must be challenged. Well done
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Given that as you say Trump is not going to do anything about the homosexual agenda, what is it you want or think Cruz will do?
Stop kowtowing to it for starters!
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Agreed. We owe it to the people who welcomed us here to behave better than those who destroyed FR.
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Good one, Bigun. Trump's supporters to a T.
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Stop kowtowing to it for starters!
That sounds to me like Trump's promise to get ride of political correctness. Translate that into a policy that is going to turn the whole "homosexual agenda" around please.
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I may not agree with the Trump supporters here about their candidate, but I can certainly tell you they understand the issues all too well.
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That sounds to me like Trump's promise to get ride of political correctness. Translate that into a policy that is going to turn the whole "homosexual agenda" around please.
Having a justice department that will actually enforce the law and fight for the law in court would be a damned good start IMHO!
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Major Clay, your avatar is confusing me. It's exactly like mine, which is a photograph I took with my own camera at the 9/12 Tea Party gathering in DC.
Were you standing right next to us at that event, or did you borrow my photograph??
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Having a justice department that will actually enforce the law and fight for the law in the court would be a damned good start IMHO!
Well maybe Cruz will get a shot at AG. Can't see him in the VP slot but since he's comfortable in court fights, AG might be a good fit.
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Well maybe Cruz will get a shot at AG. Can't see him in the VP slot but since he's comfortable in court fights, AG might be a good fit.
Nope! Can't be president and AG at the same time!
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Major Clay, your avatar is confusing me. It's exactly like mine, which is a photograph I took with my own camera at the 9/12 Tea Party gathering in DC.
Were you standing right next to us at that event, or did you borrow my photograph??
Oceander has an archive of available and current avatars that are formatted and ready to go. Many of ours are in that archive and it has been posted a time or two, I think. Major may have picked your image there not knowing it was yours.
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Oceander has an archive of available and current avatars that are formatted and ready to go. Many of ours are in that archive and it has been posted a time or two, I think. Major may have picked your image there not knowing it was yours.
OK. That makes sense. It was very weird to see my own photo on someone else's avatar, and a bit unnerving, I might add!
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Nope! Can't be president and AG at the same time!
Then you could make a lot of money on the gambling sites with that prediction, lol. As an aside, if anyone would ever try to hold both positions it would be Cruz. :laugh:
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That sounds to me like Trump's promise to get ride of political correctness. Translate that into a policy that is going to turn the whole "homosexual agenda" around please.
goopo
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Yeah right. Only Trump supporters can be that simplistic. All you have to say to them is yuuuuuuge wall. Forget it will have a yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge door.
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Okay...I was only responding to your post. So if there's more, what, in addition to not backing a bathroom bill, would President Cruz need to --- specifically do -- to satisfy your moral imperatives for a POTUS?
This is a serious question.
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I'm assuming that you mean limited vocabulary because he definitely talks more that he listens.
How do you know this?
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I can certainly understand your feelings.
Trump is doing what he needs to do...go after every single vote he can find. He's bringing more and more Independents and Democrats into his tent, and by extension, the Republican Party.
He has to do this because he's being savaged by Social Conservatives who fail him miserably in their election-year litmus tests. They seem him of weak and moral character...unwilling to acknowledge his business and developer acumen.
And, of course, he's savaged by the GOPe, who fear losing their little piece of the Fiefdom known on Capitol Hill.
My dad said..."Son! It's not how you start. It's how you finish! That's how people will remember you."
I'm convinced history will show Trump to be an enormously successful American President, a crude man of few words, with a erudite, keen grasp of any given issue.
He's the perfect man to be answering that phone at 3AM.
One of the issues I have with Trump is that anything is on the table so he can peg a "win"; so he can make a 'deal'. That might be a relative virtue in the business world and get the deal closed (at which point he collects his paycheck), but even there some modicum of not hosing the customer is important. Comps and freebies only go so far to soothe the disgruntled.
Most of his business seems to be straight out of the pages of Robert J Ringer's Winning Through Intimidation, only writ larger than even Ringer. He claims to be the only dealer in very high dollar real estate, so that would put him in a unique position--the only game in town for someone with that sort of property.
There appears to be some past customer dissatisfaction, especially with the 'University' and to some extent with his partners overseas who aren't so happy with http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/a-saudi-prince-burns-donald-trump (http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/a-saudi-prince-burns-donald-trump) him after having done business with him.
His response? A twitter message beginning "“Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal .." (standard pejorative beginning to a communique with someone he disagrees with). How many heads of state will tolerate that? Obama has been bad enough for our relationships with our allies.
Not a good way to treat a business partner (who, incidentally, is not only significantly richer than Trump, but has bailed him out a couple of times in the past).
Therein lies the concern. I don't want someone who has shown tendencies to bargain away anything or anyone for the 'win', like maybe our AR-15s or 30 round magazines for Democrat support on "the Wall". (Recall, Trump has expressed past support for an Assault Weapons Ban, although he now claims he doesn't support one).
That weathervane ideology brooks no confidence should the political winds blow foul.
I don't think you will be as happy with a POTUS who has no loyalty to those he has been helped by (maybe even GOP voters). And I have no desire to have a POTUS without a semblance of a moral compass.
If his metric of what is good or bad is solely tied to the perception of profit gained or
'making the deal' without regard to what is wrong or right, I don't want to do business with him, at any level.
Part of keeping customers in the business world, where there is competition, can be summed up in the words of an old oilfield salesman with whom I would deal anytime (one of the very few salesmen for whom I have great respect):
"Customers are like sheep. Every now and then, you shear the wool off and they are happy to have you do it. But you can only skin them once. "
Donny will cut to the bone, and he doesn't care who or when so long as he 'wins'.
Character counts. Although that phrase gets bandied about a great deal, it is true, especially when we are looking for someone to represent the most powerful nation on the planet. Without character, that power will corrupt, and you know what they say about absolute power.
The mechanisms are in place to identify and eliminate dissenters as a matter of national security by branding them as even so little as being 'at risk' for being Domestic Terrorists--stripping good, God-fearing folks of their rights because they disagree with what the administration is doing or how it conducts business. We are already past the inflection point on the top of the slippery slope, and the wrong person in office, someone who is ruthless and does not have the solid moral compass to at least aim that in the right direction with any consistency is a hazard, not an ally. Obama won't use that because those who fancy themselves "Conservatives" would unite with those who actually are, and there would be a war on. But, if as observed, the onerous task was undertaken by someone with support from the political Right, with legions of fawning syncophants who march in lockstep with his every decree and view him as incapable of wrong, would that resistance manifest itself?
We know the answer. It is how we got to the point where the NSA et.al. monitor communications, record metadata on EVERYONE and EVERY communication. It was done by a Republican in the name of National Security. It is how we got to warrantless searches and asset seizures without ever charging, much less convicting those from whom cash and other assets are taken, in the name of the War on Drugs. Wrap it in the flag, and people will pass legislation repealing the Bill of Rights in effect, and those stripped of assets and rights will not be able to mount an effective court challenge.
That's what is at stake, every election but especially this one. That's why a principled Conservative, someone who understands and will comply with original intent is far more important to navigate these treacherous times than just someone who will go full throttle through the shoals.
Trump is a loose cannon on deck, and there is a storm rolling in.
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Spot on. I commented on another thread that equating business success (especially in unsavory business) as a proof of POTUS competency must be challenged. Well done
One thing is certain. I don't want the government to be "grown". It is far beyond the original Constitutional constraints already. It needs to be put back in that cage. If you want a businessman to take care of that, get someone who runs a salvage yard. Identify the usable parts, and recycle the rest.
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How do you know this?
http://moonbattery.com/?p=70177 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=70177)
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That's what is at stake, every election but especially this one. That's why a principled Conservative, someone who understands and will comply with original intent is far more important to navigate these treacherous times than just someone who will go full throttle through the shoals.
Trump is a loose cannon on deck, and there is a storm rolling in.
Keep nailing it down, Joe!
Excellent big picture thinking. It's good work to debunk the "businessman Trumps all" boilerplate. It really does not stand up when carefully analuzed as you have so well done.
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How do you know this?
Observation, I'd guess.
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OK. That makes sense. It was very weird to see my own photo on someone else's avatar, and a bit unnerving, I might add!
I understand completely. It is confusing! I have the same problem with someone else using my own photograph and I've asked them to please change theirs, but they haven't. :shrug:
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I understand completely. It is confusing! I have the same problem with someone else using my own photograph and I've asked them to please change theirs, but they haven't. :shrug:
Well, hopefully it's just that they haven't seen your request rather than that they're just being stubborn! ^-^
I didn't realize that Oceander had a file of avatars, so it was a bit disconcerting, but now that I know that, I'm a little bit more at ease about it.
Still......... seeing a photo that you took yourself on someone else's posts is just weird!
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The biggest thing any President can do to help America is get the heck outta the way. Everything I've seen from Trump indicates "HE" is going to fix everything. That means more regulation and more executive orders.
I believe the opposite.
He will render all regulations, EOs written and approved under an Obama Administration, void. But he will come down swift and hard on cheaters.
"Three letter word, ladies and gentlemen! J-O-B-S! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!"...VP, Joseph Biden
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I believe the opposite.
He will render all regulations, EOs written and approved under an Obama Administration, void. But he will come down swift and hard on cheaters.
"Three letter word, ladies and gentlemen! J-O-B-S! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!"...VP, Joseph Biden
One can only conclude one thing from that DC!
You are closet Big government liberal claiming to be a conservative!
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One can only conclude one thing from that DC!
You are closet Big government liberal claiming to be a conservative!
Regulations have strangled small business. Suppliers can't supply.
I'm an unabashed Capitalist! Survival of the fittest!
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Regulations have strangled small business. Suppliers can't supply.
I'm an unabashed Capitalist! Survival of the fittest!
Donald Trump is a loud mouthed, immoral, bully and professional con man who is blowing smoke up you a $$ and you are soaking it up like a sponge! **nononono*
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Donald Trump is a loud mouthed, immoral, bully and professional con man who is blowing smoke up you a $$ and you are soaking it up like a sponge! **nononono*
You're debating like a high school sophomore.
No thanks.
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You're debating like a high school sophomore.
No thanks.
You are debating like a star struck teeny bopper!
No Thanks! **nononono*
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Love it! Perfect!
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How do you know this?
TeeVee. Do you know otherwise and, if so, how? Are you personal friends? A campaign insider? Please tell.
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Love it! Perfect!
I think there could have been a comment about crust there somewhere...
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Later in life, sure. But he was baptized, confirmed and raised in the Catholic tradition.As Fuhrer, he spoke repeatedly of his love for "positive Christianity"
But that misses the point, really...which is the absurdity of comparing to such disparate things as Hitler-Cruz and PolPot-Trump. Idiocy of the highest magnitude.
Do you really think Hitler got down on his knees and prayed to a Jew? I don't think so.
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Do you really think Hitler got down on his knees and prayed to a Jew? I don't think so.
Yes, he certainly did at his confirmation.
And for the record, his hatred of Jews grew out of the war and his experiences immediately after the war.
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Yes, he certainly did at his confirmation.
And for the record, his hatred of Jews grew out of the war and his experiences immediately after the war.
Well, he probably knew something of the history of Europe as well. Almost every country there threw the Jews out at one time or another.
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Well, he probably knew something of the history of Europe as well. Almost every country there threw the Jews out at one time or another.
That is true, Europe has a long history of anti-semitism...something that is rearing its head anew.
Ironically, Medieval Islam was far more tolerant of Judaism than was Christianity...now things have shifted, sadly.
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What Trumpers don't recognize is they are the opposite side of the same coin as the Bernie/Hillary supporters. They want govt to solve all their problems and guarantee them the life "they should have had".
I know most Trumpers don't see it, but Christianity is under attack and when Trump had the opportunity to defend it against the LGBT movement he sided with them. We are approaching the day when people will only be allowed to worship in their church, but not live out their faith once they walk out the door. Trump has no sensitivity to this nor do a lot of his followers.
Just read this thread. A big :amen: from me. What informs my support for Cruz us that he has a very real understanding of the fact that our freedoms are under attack.