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Power Line
John Hinderaker
Aug. 13, 2017
As Scott has noted, President Trump has come under fire for not singling out white supremacists for condemnation following the violent clashes in Charlottesville. Trump has made several statements about those events, both orally and on Twitter. He condemned “in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.” He added: “It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time.”
More... http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/what-is-wrong-with-president-trumps-statements-on-charlottesville.php
They get it.
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Power Line
John Hinderaker
Aug. 13, 2017
As Scott has noted, President Trump has come under fire for not singling out white supremacists for condemnation following the violent clashes in Charlottesville. Trump has made several statements about those events, both orally and on Twitter. He condemned “in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.” He added: “It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time.”
More... http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/what-is-wrong-with-president-trumps-statements-on-charlottesville.php
They get it.
I said this on another thread and I'll say it again here...I watched Trump live give the statement and I thought it was powerful and well said..I thought it was a good response and I just don't understand all this hullabaloo about it especially by members of Congress.
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What's wrong? He said it. The crazy bastards would whine about anything he said.
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What's wrong? He said it. The crazy bastards would whine about anything he said.
Precisely. If Trump walked on water, they would say, "See, he can't swim."
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I said this on another thread and I'll say it again here...I watched Trump live give the statement and I thought it was powerful and well said..I thought it was a good response and I just don't understand all this hullabaloo about it especially by members of Congress.
I agreed with the message Trump gave out.
and i ain't takin' back anything i said about those members of congress
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What Is Wrong With President Trump’s Statements On Charlottesville
Nothing.
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What Is Wrong With President Trump’s Statements On Charlottesville
Nothing.
He's not rounding up and executing whites, near as I can tell what is wrong.
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He's not rounding up and executing whites, near as I can tell what is wrong.
Are you chocolate?
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Are you chocolate?
Mixed, but meant my comment in obvious sarcasm.
I'm getting disturbed by the antics of self-hating whites.
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Mixed, but meant my comment in obvious sarcasm.
I'm getting disturbed by the antics of self-hating whites.
Ah.. Your low post count threw me there. But I shall keep my eye on you. :police:
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I too had no problem with what trump said and let's face it, whatever he would have said he'd get criticism for.
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I said this on another thread and I'll say it again here...I watched Trump live give the statement and I thought it was powerful and well said..I thought it was a good response and I just don't understand all this hullabaloo about it especially by members of Congress.
@mystery-ak
There were so many groups there fighting each other, there was no way he could have laid the blame all on one group plus I think no one in govn. knew the names of each of those groups, until toward the end of the day, or today. Pick your poison, they were all there.
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I said this on another thread and I'll say it again here...I watched Trump live give the statement and I thought it was powerful and well said..I thought it was a good response and I just don't understand all this hullabaloo about it especially by members of Congress.
Those members of congress might help themselves by explaining the comment rather than panning it.
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When did conservatives suddenly find it hard to condemn outright Nazis?
This is a no-brainer.
If asked to condemn a Nazi, you *DO*.
And if you don't, then you probably have some measure of support for them.
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Precisely. If Trump walked on water, they would say, "See, he can't swim."
No, @dfwgator us NT'ers would know it's some Reality TV BS from the get go.
(http://crazyhyena.com/imagebank/g/photo-of-man-walking-on-water-funny-crazy.jpg)
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No, @dfwgator us NT'ers would know it's some Reality TV BS from the get go.
(http://crazyhyena.com/imagebank/g/photo-of-man-walking-on-water-funny-crazy.jpg)
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What's wrong is that Trump included leftists in his condemnation of hate and violence. Only white nationalist groups can be criticized.
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When did conservatives suddenly find it hard to condemn outright Nazis?
This is a no-brainer.
If asked to condemn a Nazi, you *DO*.
And if you don't, then you probably have some measure of support for them.
Because one has to make sure its a genuine Nazi or an MSM identified Nazi. There's a difference.
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What's wrong is that Trump included leftists in his condemnation of hate and violence. Only white nationalist groups can be criticized.
When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.
When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.
You don't mix and match. That is deflection.
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When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.
When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.
You don't mix and match. That is deflection.
Nonsense
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When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.
When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.
You don't mix and match. That is deflection.
If an armed burglar robs me at gunpoint, and I get the gun out of his hand, shoot and kill him as he runs away, should charges not be filed against me too?
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What's wrong is that Trump included leftists in his condemnation of hate and violence. Only white nationalist groups can be criticized.
That's why I like that Trump went the route of inclusivity and diversity. Wait...what?
@Free Vulcan
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That's why I like that Trump went the route of inclusivity and diversity. Wait...what?
Well played sir, well played.
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When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.
When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.
You don't mix and match. That is deflection.
Not true at all.
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If an armed burglar robs me at gunpoint, and I get the gun out of his hand, shoot and kill him as he runs away, should charges not be filed against me too?
DEPENDS on the State and the color of the bullet recipient.
(https://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/zimmerman-front.jpg)
Texas is different!
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Here is the President's original statement. It was well done, strong and from his heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY25ynGTuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY25ynGTuo
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I said this elsewhere. Talk is fine, but now we need action. There is already an investigation into the tragedy on Saturday. But we need a more thorough investigation into all of the various fringe groups and who finances them. There are people who want to destroy America through anarchy and violence. These people have to be rooted out and prosecuted.
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/19658/7-things-you-need-know-about-charlottesville-ben-shapiro
5. Trump’s Unwillingness To Fight The Alt-Right Tooth And Nail Grows The Alt-Right. President Trump’s milquetoast statement has emboldened members of the alt-right. Here’s the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer: “He outright refused to disavow. People saying he cucked are shills and kikes. He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.” That account may be unfair to Trump. But it’s what white nationalists are reading. They see Trump as a useful figure. David Duke said as much at the rally: “This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take this country back. We’re gonna fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump because he said he’s going to take our country back.”
President Trump came to the same conclusion and decided he must make a clear condemnation of the vile scum who descended on Charlottesville and murdered and maimed in the name of their genetic superiority. President came out with another statement and it was very very good, and I'm not the only one saying that. This is what he should have said from the beginning...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/14/donald-trump-condemns-hate-groups/
Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
Right on! Right on! Right on Mr. President!
David Duke @DrDavidDuke
It appears the First Amendment doesn't apply to White Americans just like racial discrimination laws don't protect White Americans.
12:38 PM - Aug 14, 2017
It looks like somebody has got a case of the "Mondays." I might just head over to the Daily Stormer or TOS just to read how many poster call OUR President a Cuck.
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It looks like somebody has got a case of the "Mondays."
David wasn't making his "O" Face after that one.
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I said this elsewhere. Talk is fine, but now we need action. There is already an investigation into the tragedy on Saturday. But we need a more thorough investigation into all of the various fringe groups and who finances them. There are people who want to destroy America through anarchy and violence. These people have to be rooted out and prosecuted.
Protesters gather at Trump Tower as President Trump returns to NYC: http://abc7ny.com/politics/protesters-gather-as-president-trump-returns-to-nyc/2305690/
Note the backpacks. Probably not New Yorkers.
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When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.
When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.
You don't mix and match. That is deflection.
That's correct, if the neo-Nazi randomly walks up to some innocent passerby and murders them. When the passerby isn't so innocent and is part of a group that came there to get their fight on you blame all involved.
And no, there was nothing wrong with Trump's original statement regarding the event.
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That's correct, if the neo-Nazi randomly walks up to some innocent passerby and murders them. When the passerby isn't so innocent and is part of a group that came there to get their fight on you blame all involved.
Right. Heather was not some innocent passerby. The Daily Stormer revealed she was fat and barren https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/ She is no asset for the future of white people.
She had it coming. Don't let the fact, that she was marching away from the car she was crushed under, fool you. She was there to get her "fight on." Running her over was practically self defense. How do we know she didn't have a car there to mow down the innocent Trump supporters?
When you explain it like that...it doesn't sound racist or insane, right?
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Right. Heather was not some innocent passerby. The Daily Stormer revealed she was fat and barren https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/ She is no asset for the future of white people.
She had it coming. Don't let the fact, that she was marching away from the car she was crushed under, fool you. She was there to get her "fight on." Running her over was practically self defense. How do we know she didn't have a car there to mow down the innocent Trump supporters?
When you explain it like that...it doesn't sound racist or insane, right?
That's not what I meant at all, but if you want to put those words in my mouth I can't stop you.
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That's not what I meant at all, but if you want to put those words in my mouth I can't stop you.
You didn't mean to imply Heather was there to get her "fight on?" Then you might want to rework your comment because that is how I read it and, I imagine, many others read it.
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You didn't mean to imply Heather was there to get her "fight on?" Then you might want to rework your comment because that is how I read it and, I imagine, many others read it.
Honestly I don't know much about her specifically, so I wasn't talking about her, I was talking about the group that came out to counter-protest.
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RIP
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Protesters gather at Trump Tower as President Trump returns to NYC: http://abc7ny.com/politics/protesters-gather-as-president-trump-returns-to-nyc/2305690/
Note the backpacks. Probably not New Yorkers.
If I had a nickel for every time some news reader declared a protest "spontaneous" or "grassroots," I would be rich. The professional signs are a giveaway. If this was just a bunch of average joes or people on public assistance, where do they get the money for these professionally made signs? These events are not local or spontaneous. They are highly organized by various, possibly interrelated organizations who are well funded. They bring in outside agitators to stir up trouble. I really want to know who is footing the bill for all these "local" protests.
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I really want to know who is footing the bill for all these "local" protests.
Me too. We would be in the hoosegow if we were paying people to crack heads or destroy property. In fact, that should be called organized crime.
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I too had no problem with what trump said and let's face it, whatever he would have said he'd get criticism for.
"whatever he would have said he'd get criticism for."
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If an armed burglar robs me at gunpoint, and I get the gun out of his hand, shoot and kill him as he runs away, should charges not be filed against me too?
Shoot him as he runs away? Hell no.
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If I had a nickel for every time some news reader declared a protest "spontaneous" or "grassroots," I would be rich. The professional signs are a giveaway. If this was just a bunch of average joes or people on public assistance, where do they get the money for these professionally made signs? These events are not local or spontaneous. They are highly organized by various, possibly interrelated organizations who are well funded. They bring in outside agitators to stir up trouble. I really want to know who is footing the bill for all these "local" protests.
The media is portraying the Antifas as the second-coming of "The White Rose."
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I said this on another thread and I'll say it again here...I watched Trump live give the statement and I thought it was powerful and well said..I thought it was a good response and I just don't understand all this hullabaloo about it especially by members of Congress.
I agree, Mystery. What seemed like an almost perfect statement at the time has been distorted all out of proportion.
But, to help you understand, many people hate Trump so much they will do anything to discredit him.