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General Category => Trump Legal Investigations => Topic started by: mystery-ak on June 15, 2018, 03:50:11 pm
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Breaking: A federal court judge has ruled that former Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort must go to jail ahead of his trial because he has violated the conditions of his bail.
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Prosecutors charged that he and a partner, Konstantin Kilimnik, may have contacted European witnesses to ask them to tell jurors in Manafort’s upcoming trial that lobbying work they did together was confined only to Europe and did not take place inside the U.S.
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So... why is the government treating this guy like a monster again?
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probably trying to take the focus off their corruption
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So... why is the government treating this guy like a monster again?
......because they can
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So... why is the government treating this guy like a monster again?
Because after the IG report yesterday, Mueller's reason for being is over. Now he has to make the most hay he can with the players he has.
Thank God Stupid Bobby is getting to the bottom of this 15 year old crime......a crime he didn't give a shit about when he was running the FBI.
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So if the Meuller investigation gets chopped does that impact this case?
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So if the Meuller investigation gets chopped does that impact this case?
I don't think it get's thrown out, but it does give the defense a huge advantage that the Prosecutor was corrupt and out of bounds.
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So... why is the government treating this guy like a monster again?
To be realistic about this, Manafort has always been dirty. The whole Manafort/Atwater/Stone partnership used to be the face of corrupt, lobbyist driven, do anything to win, politics. Often the right likes to overlook their own slime to keep their voters focused on the slime on the left (and vice versa).
People think there is one 'swamp' and it is them versus us, but in reality, there have always been multiple swamps fighting each other. And the stakes have always been huge.
For control of the Republican Party, it generally has been a fight between the DC Powerbrokers and the NYC Money Establishment (especially from the 60s-80s). The latter was considered the most corrupt in the party and was pretty much run by the Manafort/Atwater/Stone partnership.
Much of this changed in the 90s with the boom of the 'Christian Coalition' with Pat Robertson rallying what we would call the unrepresented, and the NYC Establishment saw this and cozied up to this group as they saw power in numbers. They helped frame it as 'us versus them' but they were always part of 'them'.
But the game really never changed. There are many, many swamps and many 'establishment' circles all fighting each other.
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To be realistic about this, Manafort has always been dirty. The whole Manafort/Atwater/Stone partnership used to be the face of corrupt, lobbyist driven, do anything to win, politics. Often the right likes to overlook their own slime to keep their voters focused on the slime on the left (and vice versa).
Wouldn't overlook Manafart if the Podestas were in jail right now. They have taken open bribes in the form of artwork from Russia without even a question from anyone. Also it has been common practice to file these lobbyist papers after the fact for the last 20 years. Why is it an issue now? Oh yeah. Stupid Bobby is circling the drain and needs to have something to point to as evidence he found something.
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So... why is the government treating this guy like a monster again?
Witness tampering. Which is, btw, what mobsters and other known monsters do.
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Wouldn't overlook Manafart if the Podestas were in jail right now. They have taken open bribes in the form of artwork from Russia without even a question from anyone. Also it has been common practice to file these lobbyist papers after the fact for the last 20 years. Why is it an issue now? Oh yeah. Stupid Bobby is circling the drain and needs to have something to point to as evidence he found something.
But at the same time, we don't really have the high ground to damn the Podestas (the left version of the NYC Money Swamp) if we give the Manafort / Stones a pass. This is bigger than left versus right.
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Witness tampering. Which is, btw, what mobsters and other known monsters do.
We have no idea if it even happened or if this is another manufactured fraud being sold by Mueller to get his way.*
(*See Anthrax Case along with half the stuff Mueller has bungled in his career.)
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The Empire Strikes Back
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We have no idea if it even happened or if this is another manufactured fraud being sold by Mueller to get his way.*
(*See Anthrax Case along with half the stuff Mueller has bungled in his career.)
Muller certainly could be lying, but that's a big thing to lie about as it has evidence behind it. But I wouldn't put it past him.
However, at the same time, it is also in Manafort's MO so I wouldn't put that past him either.
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But at the same time, we don't really have the high ground to damn the Podestas (the left version of the NYC Money Swamp) if we give the Manafort / Stones a pass. This is bigger than left versus right.
No it is not. This is straight up partisanship now. Just look at the IG report and the open corruption being practiced by the people running this witch hunt against Manafart. You can't wake up one day and decide to enforce laws that were universally ignored for decades and still be considered legitimate.
BTW the Right tried like hell to get these issues looked at in the past and we were told by these same people like Mueller and Comey that they were just slight infractions not worth a full blown court case. You trying to convince us that no one on our side cared in the past is bullshit.
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We have no idea if it even happened or if this is another manufactured fraud being sold by Mueller to get his way.*
(*See Anthrax Case along with half the stuff Mueller has bungled in his career.)
The judge accepted the evidence as sufficient. So yeah, it pretty much happened. Manafort is a dirty thug, get used to it.
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Muller certainly could be lying, but that's a big thing to lie about as it has evidence behind it. But I wouldn't put it past him.
However, at the same time, it is also in Manafort's MO so I wouldn't put that past him either.
Mueller has a long history of lying to make his case. Over a $100 million in taxpayer cash payouts to his victims prove it. We also have recent reviews of his current practices by Judges that show that he is corrupting the system to the point stuff is being thrown out.
Stupid Bobby has less credibility than Manafart. Why believe anything he and his hacks claim at this point?
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To be realistic about this, Manafort has always been dirty. The whole Manafort/Atwater/Stone partnership used to be the face of corrupt, lobbyist driven, do anything to win, politics. Often the right likes to overlook their own slime to keep their voters focused on the slime on the left (and vice versa).
People think there is one 'swamp' and it is them versus us, but in reality, there have always been multiple swamps fighting each other. And the stakes have always been huge.
For control of the Republican Party, it generally has been a fight between the DC Powerbrokers and the NYC Money Establishment (especially from the 60s-80s). The latter was considered the most corrupt in the party and was pretty much run by the Manafort/Atwater/Stone partnership.
Much of this changed in the 90s with the boom of the 'Christian Coalition' with Pat Robertson rallying what we would call the unrepresented, and the NYC Establishment saw this and cozied up to this group as they saw power in numbers. They helped frame it as 'us versus them' but they were always part of 'them'.
But the game really never changed. There are many, many swamps and many 'establishment' circles all fighting each other.
Well said. Today, a guy like Willie Sutton doesn't have to rob banks. "Public Service" is an easier way to acquire wealth.
As for Mr. Manafort,
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No it is not. This is straight up partisanship now. Just look at the IG report and the open corruption being practiced by the people running this witch hunt against Manafart. You can't wake up one day and decide to enforce laws that were universally ignored for decades and still be considered legitimate.
BTW the Right tried like hell to get these issues looked at in the past and we were told by these same people like Mueller and Comey that they were just slight infractions not worth a full blown court case. You trying to convince us that no one on our side cared in the past is bullshit.
Not really. This is bigger than partisanship because most of these same people don't give a crap about partisan values, they are after power. Partisanship is the game they push to the masses to get them focusing on one game and ignoring the game they are playing.
You do know Paul Manafort even worked for and with the Podesta Group for a long time as a consultant, right?
Think of it like a big movie script. What we see on the screen is just a reflection of writers and producers- but isn't a true picture of reality.
(and no, I'm not talking about some big 'Buildaberger/Illuminiti' type conspiracy - just professional political money players playing a bigger game than they present to us. They don't care about liberal or conservative, big government or liberty- they just want to move chess pieces to put cash in their pockets and give themselves power).
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Manafort is a dirty thug, get used to it.
Consider it done.
Gee that was easy.
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The judge accepted the evidence as sufficient. So yeah, it pretty much happened. Manafort is a dirty thug, get used to it.
No. All we know is that Mueller and his openly biased team presented information to a Judge. We have no idea if it is truthful at all since this wasn't a trial. It was just a hearing. Notice how Manafart wasn't charged with witness tampering? This was just used to revoke his bail.
I would like to see if this would hold up in front of a jury since Stupid Bobby has a habit of manufacturing evidence to make a case. So does his underling who has been in front of disciplinary boards for lying in court as well.
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Scooter Libby redux. Manafort's crime is really just being Republican and being in anyway associated with Trump.
The Libs have already said openly that they would throw all of us in jail if they could. Remember Lois Lerner and all the legal crap she did to Tea Party members. Liberals play dirty.
It is just another way to isolated and impede/hinder the Trump administration in any way they can.
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No. All we know is that Mueller and his openly biased team presented information to a Judge. We have no idea if it is truthful at all since this wasn't a trial. It was just a hearing. Notice how Manafart wasn't charged with witness tampering? This was just used to revoke his bail.
I would like to see if this would hold up in front of a jury since Stupid Bobby has a habit of manufacturing evidence to make a case. So does his underling who has been in front of disciplinary boards for lying in court as well.
Yeah, right. The whole wide world, including this judge, is in a massive conspiracy to frame Manafort, just to spit in Trump’s eye.
Par for the course for a Trump-worshipper.
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No. All we know is that Mueller and his openly biased team presented information to a Judge. We have no idea if it is truthful at all since this wasn't a trial. It was just a hearing. Notice how Manafart wasn't charged with witness tampering? This was just used to revoke his bail.
I would like to see if this would hold up in front of a jury since Stupid Bobby has a habit of manufacturing evidence to make a case. So does his underling who has been in front of disciplinary boards for lying in court as well.
Oh for f**k’s sake. The people Manafort attempted to contact knew it was wrong, likely suspected he was under surveillance, didn’t want to be implicated, and brought the information to the feds.
According to the filing, the government contends that after the superseding indictment was filed in February, Manafort and Person A repeatedly attempted to contact D1 and D2. On one occasion, prosecutors said that Manafort used an encrypted messaging application to send D1 an article about the Hapsburg group, and then wrote, "We should talk. I have made clear that they worked in Europe." But D1 told a federal investigator that he thought Manafort was trying to "suborn perjury" because D1 knew the Hapsburg group worked in the United States, according to the filing.
The government wrote that Person A contacted D2 to communicate that Manafort was trying to reach D1, and also tried to contact D1 — it "would strain credulity to suggest that Person A" made those contacts without Manafort's approval, prosecutors said. D2 also believed the communications were aimed at influencing testimony, and that Manafort and Person A were hoping D1 and D2 would communicate the message to members of the Hapsburg group that, if asked, they should say their work was in Europe, they said.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/mueller-manafort-witness-tampering?utm_term=.lwLQrKm9P#.osGyK2n1v (https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/mueller-manafort-witness-tampering?utm_term=.lwLQrKm9P#.osGyK2n1v)
We know from other filings that Person A is Konstantin Kilimnik. An unredacted filing from the other day shows that D1 and D2 were also named - Alan Friedman and Eckart Sager.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1006986884550098944 (https://mobile.twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1006986884550098944)
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......because they can
Marxist's (progressive left) don't have a problem with throwing presumably innocent people in jail without a trial. It comes natural to them. Mueller is a thug.
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Marxist's (progressive left) don't have a problem with throwing presumably innocent people in jail without a trial. It comes natural to them. Mueller is a thug.
No. Manafort is a thug who tried to tamper with witnesses. That’s mafia 101.