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Title: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: mystery-ak on April 19, 2024, 05:27:25 pm
Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border
Eddie Scarry
~3 minutes

There’s a very simple logic to the Democrat position on Ukraine: Its continued welfare sponsored by American taxpayers is very important, but it’s not more important than maintaining an open Southern border for the world’s criminal and destitute to flood the nation (again, sponsored by American taxpayers).

We know that’s the indisputable Democrat position because while they, including the Biden White House, insist there’s nothing more urgent than sending tens of billions dollars more to Ukraine, they’re not willing to do so if it means blocking the access of a single illegal alien to America’s interior. After months of negotiating a matter that shouldn’t require more than a second’s worth of debate, Democrats put forward a bill that legalized the unauthorized entry of up to 5,000 aliens per day. That’s how serious they are about keeping the border agape.

It’s an untenable position, yet that brings us to House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Republican who has stunningly revealed himself this week to hold the exact same position. Immediately after he was elected to lead the House and his party, Johnson emphatically stated in public multiple times that solving the border crisis, both instigated and exacerbated by the president, was not just a priority but mandatory.

“Any national security package has to begin with the security of our own border… We have to effect real policy change at the border, and that is a necessary condition to anything we do going forward,” Johnson said on December 6, 2023.

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https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/18/just-like-democrats-and-joe-biden-mike-johnson-supports-an-open-southern-border/
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 19, 2024, 07:15:23 pm
The author is a nut.  Johnson has voted for two separate border enforcement bills.   The problem is that the Democrat-controlled Senate won't pass them.   How is that Johnson's fault???

Also, we all know that regardless of the funds given, Biden himself simply won't enforce the border, and he's the one who gives them their orders.   So again...how is that Johnson's fault?
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: libertybele on April 19, 2024, 07:33:24 pm
It doesn't matter at this point.  Game over.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: berdie on April 19, 2024, 09:20:24 pm
The author is a nut.  Johnson has voted for two separate border enforcement bills.   The problem is that the Democrat-controlled Senate won't pass them.   How is that Johnson's fault???

Also, we all know that regardless of the funds given, Biden himself simply won't enforce the border, and he's the one who gives them their orders.   So again...how is that Johnson's fault?



Agreed.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: berdie on April 19, 2024, 09:21:13 pm
It doesn't matter at this point.  Game over.




Also agreed.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Bigun on April 19, 2024, 10:04:23 pm
The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: libertybele on April 19, 2024, 10:05:30 pm
The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.

I believe that to be correct.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: berdie on April 19, 2024, 10:42:41 pm
The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.


Agreed.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 19, 2024, 10:45:32 pm
The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.

I wouldn't go quite that far. But the powers that be in both parties - THEY certainly want no border.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Bigun on April 19, 2024, 10:47:30 pm
I wouldn't go quite that far. But the powers that be in both parties - THEY certainly want no border.

What's the difference?
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 19, 2024, 10:52:26 pm
What's the difference?

Power can be taken from them at the ballot. When you stop voting for RINOs (because Democrats), the power dynamic can be shifted on the right... Which is why I will not vote for them, period.

Voting for Conservatism is the only way out of all this. At least shy of watering the tree of liberty.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Bigun on April 19, 2024, 11:07:40 pm
Power can be taken from them at the ballot. When you stop voting for RINOs (because Democrats), the power dynamic can be shifted on the right... Which is why I will not vote for them, period.

Voting for Conservatism is the only way out of all this. At least shy of watering the tree of liberty.

In the words of General Cornwallis at Yorktown, "You dream sir! You dream."
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 19, 2024, 11:28:19 pm
In the words of General Cornwallis at Yorktown, "You dream sir! You dream."

I have three occasions in my lifetime to point to. It can be done. But not chasing after shiny things like political messiahs and such. It looks more like the TEA Party. That's what will do it.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: libertybele on April 19, 2024, 11:50:13 pm
I have three occasions in my lifetime to point to. It can be done. But not chasing after shiny things like political messiahs and such. It looks more like the TEA Party. That's what will do it.

Of course I'm all for the TEA Party, and it's going to take a massive majority of like-minded conservatives coming together and not taking no for an answer, nor compromising their positions. That's always been the avenue that conservatives headed.

I can't help but to reflect as to what happened to those who stood up for what they believed in on J6.  Some were not insurrectionists but conservatives who are still confined and a couple still without a trial date.  They have been made an example of. IOW if you don't go along with the left, you will be dealt with in a way so that you will not succeed.  Times are very different now.  Times are very troubling with our rights being tossed out the window in order for a particular political party to prevail.

The rule of law is being trampled upon and we have a very corrupt DOJ. I don't see that there is any remedy anymore at the ballot box, so how then do conservatives prevail against the liberal stranglehold around this Republic?

I certainly don't have any answers. Conservatives in the Senate and House are very few.  The 'climate' of this country has drastically changed and it isn't for the better.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Sighlass on April 20, 2024, 12:03:37 am
Power can be taken from them at the ballot. When you stop voting for RINOs (because Democrats), the power dynamic can be shifted on the right... Which is why I will not vote for them, period.

Voting for Conservatism is the only way out of all this. At least shy of watering the tree of liberty.

Yep, once it was established the real conservative right would sell out for centralist ideas, candidates stopped even trying to appease them. If you have no line in the sand, then that line gets blown away. Want my vote, be a conservative Christian.

I miss @INVAR 
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: libertybele on April 20, 2024, 12:22:38 am
Power can be taken from them at the ballot. When you stop voting for RINOs (because Democrats), the power dynamic can be shifted on the right... Which is why I will not vote for them, period.

Voting for Conservatism is the only way out of all this. At least shy of watering the tree of liberty.

Well, in theory and years ago when we actually had some election integrity, power could be taken from them at the ballot. Voting for only conservatives was a remedy.  I don't believe that we have 'free and fair' elections any longer.  It's not a matter of voting out RINO's...it's a matter of finding a way to stop the corruption.  How?  I wish I knew the answer.

When we have 535 members of Congress  regardless of what party they represent; NOT doing what is best for America, we have a major, major problem. When we have a DOJ that is basically investigating themselves or failing to investigate the corruption that abounds, we have a major, major problem.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 01:01:26 am
Yep, once it was established the real conservative right would sell out for centralist ideas, candidates stopped even trying to appease them. If you have no line in the sand, then that line gets blown away. Want my vote, be a conservative Christian.


I think it is more about the message: Other entities (read populists, neocons) always abscond with, and then alter the Conservative message. Even now. They are ALL conservatives during an election year. I don't think real Conservatives have moved an inch - It's not in their nature, guided by eternal principles.

But very much like Christianity (or rather Judeo-Christianity), orthodoxy is hard to maintain against usurpers. Real Christians, Bible-believing Christians, cannot be in favor of abortion or homosexuality, but look at how many 'christian' churches and organizations do exactly that... Watering the message to suit themselves.

Conservatism suffers the exact same fate. And like Christians, they vote with their feet, and many once Conservative organizations have fallen to liberalism, or have died on the vine heading that way. That does not mean there are less Conservatives. Just that they are no longer represented. Even as measurement of Christianity seems to indicate less Christians because their membership is no longer found in hierarchical old school denominations... Like Christianity, Conservatism has gone congregational. I literally don't know a single Conservative Republican. They're all independents now.

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I miss @INVAR

Oh, me too! Many philosophical Conservatives of every stripe are gone from here - Those who used to lend their wisdom.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 01:07:08 am
Well, in theory and years ago when we actually had some election integrity, power could be taken from them at the ballot. Voting for only conservatives was a remedy.  I don't believe that we have 'free and fair' elections any longer.  It's not a matter of voting out RINO's...it's a matter of finding a way to stop the corruption.  How?  I wish I knew the answer.

When we have 535 members of Congress  regardless of what party they represent; NOT doing what is best for America, we have a major, major problem. When we have a DOJ that is basically investigating themselves or failing to investigate the corruption that abounds, we have a major, major problem.

The same solutions prevail. The way you do it is ground up, grassroots... Start taking it back. It's a long and bitter thing, not fixed by shiny shit or political messiahs, with no rest for the weary. Eternal Vigilance. Always. Little corrections along the way are much easier than sweeping changes. But when the chips are down, and sweeping change is what you need, it is still one vote at a time, from the bottom up.

You should know. Look at your own state. a decade ago it was purple.

Hope remains.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: libertybele on April 20, 2024, 01:13:18 am
The same solutions prevail. The way you do it is ground up, grassroots... Start taking it back. It's a long and bitter thing, not fixed by shiny shit or political messiahs, with no rest for the weary. Eternal Vigilance. Always. Little corrections along the way are much easier than sweeping changes. But when the chips are down, and sweeping change is what you need, it is still one vote at a time, from the bottom up.

You should know. Look at your own state. a decade ago it was purple.

Hope remains.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 20, 2024, 01:37:11 am
The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.

Plenty of Republicans do, but they don't have the votes.  It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 01:44:19 am
Plenty of Republicans do, but they don't have the votes.  It's as simple as that.

Because RINOs are better than Democrats... Let that sink in.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Bigun on April 20, 2024, 02:24:18 am
Plenty of Republicans do, but they don't have the votes.  It's as simple as that.

No! They don't! There are a few to be sure but most are too beholden to the Chamber of Commerce.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Sighlass on April 20, 2024, 02:25:24 am
The same solutions prevail. The way you do it is ground up, grassroots... Start taking it back. It's a long and bitter thing, not fixed by shiny shit or political messiahs, with no rest for the weary. Eternal Vigilance. Always. Little corrections along the way are much easier than sweeping changes. But when the chips are down, and sweeping change is what you need, it is still one vote at a time, from the bottom up.

You should know. Look at your own state. a decade ago it was purple.

Hope remains.

I miss Eternal Vigilance too.... Man he could make some GOP Fudds mad.

https://www.tomhoefling.com/
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Hoodat on April 20, 2024, 02:26:50 am
And once again boys and girls, this is why we need Conservatives in power.  Stop feeding the destroyer.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 02:30:31 am
I miss Eternal Vigilance too.... Man he could make some GOP Fudds mad.

https://www.tomhoefling.com/

That's a fact. I had EV's phone number once upon a time...  :beer:
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2024, 02:43:34 am
I have three occasions in my lifetime to point to. It can be done. But not chasing after shiny things like political messiahs and such. It looks more like the TEA Party. That's what will do it.

What are those three occasions?
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Bigun on April 20, 2024, 02:48:00 am
That's a fact. I had EV's phone number once upon a time...  :beer:

I knew Tom well for years but lost track of him somehow.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 03:28:56 am
What are those three occasions?

Reagan, the 94 congress, and the TEA Party.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 03:31:34 am
I knew Tom well for years but lost track of him somehow.

I nearly got caught up in his political party, had the paper to open a MT chapter... But it all fell through that first time my back collapsed and I went in a wheelchair... I got a bit distracted.  :shrug:

Lost track of him after that.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2024, 03:41:59 am
Reagan, the 94 congress, and the TEA Party.

Reagan was a Populist; the TEA Party fell apart.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 03:50:35 am
Reagan was a Populist; the TEA Party fell apart.

Neither statement is true.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2024, 04:09:37 am
Neither statement is true.

Both are true.
Title: Re: Just Like Democrats, Mike Johnson Supports An Open Border.. Eddie Scarry
Post by: roamer_1 on April 20, 2024, 04:11:13 am
Both are true.

No, they are not.