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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Free Vulcan on November 13, 2017, 05:37:12 pm
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday that Alabama Senate GOP candidate Roy Moore should leave the race, saying he believes the women who have accused Moore of sexual misconduct.
“I think he should step aside,” McConnell told reporters in Louisville, adding: “I believe the women, yes."
The comments go further than the majority leader's initial statement last week, which came after the Washington Post reported that four women said Moore pursued them as teenagers when he was in his 30s. McConnell said then that Moore should leave the race if the allegations were true.
Read more at: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/mcconnell-i-believe-the-women-accusing-roy-moore-244840
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Of course you do, Mitch.
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But we don't believe you, Mitch. Ted Cruz was right.
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Limp wristed Mitch prays everyday that he can lose his majority so he can go back to sleep. His life was far more relaxing when Dingy Harry controlled him like a puppet.
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I can only wonder what the Islamist Throwbacks think of this political catfight, and how many more of them it's inspiring to perceive us as weak and take up the fight against us.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/islamic-republic-pakistan-child-marriages-73-million
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McConnell simply adds more gasoline to the fuel and fire that tells me he was either aware of, or has involvement in creating the scandal and parading the "victims' so as to punish the voters in Alabama for rejecting his boy Strange.
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I can only wonder what the Islamist Throwbacks think of this political catfight, and how many more of them it's inspiring to perceive us as weak and take up the fight against us.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/islamic-republic-pakistan-child-marriages-73-million
Weak? How about strength? I applaud McConnell and the many other Republicans and conservatives who are standing up to this moral hypocrite.
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Weak? How about strength? I applaud McConnell and the many other Republicans and conservatives who are standing up to this moral hypocrite.
PROOF Please?
So far we have Accusations by the bucketful which are coming apart at the seams, just like all that crap we got about Putin rigging the election, from the same crowd who stand to benefit from torpedoing Moore.
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McConnell simply adds more gasoline to the fuel and fire that tells me he was either aware of, or has involvement in creating the scandal and parading the "victims' so as to punish the voters in Alabama for rejecting his boy Strange.
Agreed. If Mitch and the rest of the Republican hierarchy are not involved, why aren't they out there supporting their candidate? Why aren't they demanding proof of the allegations? Why aren't they calling for an investigation?
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PROOF Please?
Jazzhead doesn't need nor want any proof. Moore is a devout Christian and he hates Christians who are not liberal Leftists with a virulent passion, so anything that helps lay waste or punishes such people - he not only applauds - but wishes to engage in administering punishment himself. Per his own words.
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Agreed. If Mitch and the rest of the Republican hierarchy are not involved, why aren't they out there supporting their candidate? Why aren't they demanding proof of the allegations? Why aren't they calling for an investigation?
Because the voters in Alabama choosing Moore over Strange was "A bridge too far" and the Oligarchy in the Republican party is about to punish them and select their ruler for them.
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Agreed. If Mitch and the rest of the Republican hierarchy are not involved, why aren't they out there supporting their candidate? Why aren't they demanding proof of the allegations? Why aren't they calling for an investigation?
Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite. Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
There's still almost a month to go before the election. If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved. THAT's where partisanship comes into play. Sticking by an untenable candidate while his reputation implodes doesn't do the GOP, or conservatives, the least bit of good.
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Because the voters in Alabama choosing Moore over Strange was "A bridge too far" and the Oligarchy in the Republican party is about to punish them and select their ruler for them.
Wonder what those lying thieves will do, should Moore win. Are they going to try to prevent him from taking his seat in the senate? If they do, I think there will be hell to pay.
I'm hoping the voters in Alabama see what these guys are up to and give them the proverbial middle finger by electing Moore.
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Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite. Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
There's still almost a month to go before the election. If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved. THAT's where partisanship comes into play. Sticking by an untenable candidate while his reputation implodes doesn't do the GOP, or conservatives, the least bit of good.
Is this how you define Principle?
Toss people out of the sleigh to the wolves in the hope they catch and eat you last?
Principle boils to to a Personality Contest?
The other side gets to pick and choose our candidates for us on the basis of Their Agenda?
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Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite. Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
There's still almost a month to go before the election. If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved. THAT's where partisanship comes into play. Sticking by an untenable candidate while his reputation implodes doesn't do the GOP, or conservatives, the least bit of good.
What is indefensible? None of the allegations have been proven. As long as there is no proof of the allegations against Moore and there are no criminal charges against him, then the party should stick by Moore. That is called loyalty, but it appears that with the Republican party, loyalty is a one-way street.
By the way, how can the seat be saved if Moore drops out? Is there any possibility at this late date the party can put forth another nominee? I'm inclined to think it's too late. If Moore drops out or is removed. then the seat goes to the Democrats.
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What is indefensible? None of the allegations have been proven. As long as there is no proof of the allegations against Moore and there are no criminal charges against him, then the party should stick by Moore. That is called loyalty, but it appears that with the Republican party, loyalty is a one-way street.
By the way, how can the seat be saved if Moore drops out? Is there any possibility at this late date the party can put forth another nominee? I'm inclined to think it's too late. If Moore drops out or is removed. then the seat goes to the Democrats.
"There's almost a month to go. If Moore Steps Down There's A CHANCE That Seat Can Be Saved."
By Who?
Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush could not be reached for comment.
But their offices told us that they could not relocate to Alabama in time to meet ballot residency requirements, the way Hillary carpet bagged her Senate seat in NY.
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I believe the evidence
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I believe the evidence
Hahahahahahah. No, Seriously, who ISN'T The President?
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I believe the evidence
What evidence?
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360119-moore-mcconnell-is-one-who-should-step-aside
Moore: McConnell is one who should step aside
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360119-moore-mcconnell-is-one-who-should-step-aside
Moore: McConnell is one who should step aside
:thumbsup:
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Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite.
Same as you are. You'll defend perverts and their behavior and promote to punish Christian 'bigots' you hate by destroying their livelihoods and forcing them to violate their consciences.
Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
It does for the GOP leadership. They went to bat to save Democrat Menendez, even so far as to testify what a great guy he is during his trial - but Moore - oh no - he must be crucified.
Lindsey Graham Calls for Roy Moore to Step Aside but Defends Bob Menendez (http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/lindsey-graham-calling-moore-step-aside-one-week-went-nj-testify-dem-bob-menendez/)
If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved.
Bullshit and you know it.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360119-moore-mcconnell-is-one-who-should-step-aside
Moore: McConnell is one who should step aside
:amen: to that! Him and all the other GD surrender monkeys! GOD how I hate them!
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That's an option we're looking at, whether or not there is someone who can mount a write-in campaign successfully," McConnell said during a news conference on tax reform. Whether that candidate could be Strange, whom Moore defeated in the primary, McConnell added: "We'll see."
Luther Strange owes McConnell lots and lots of favors. And that was the case before McConnell's boys dumped millions of dollars into the primary.
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Weak? How about strength? I applaud McConnell and the many other Republicans and conservatives who are standing up to this moral hypocrite.
Mitch McConnell circled the wagons around Bob Packwood like a rabid dog. He looked a blind eye to Menendez. He kept his mouth shut about Dennis Hastert.....but a guy he genuinly dislikes get hit with an insane WaPo hit piece and he is outraged.
Mitch is a pansy squish.
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Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite. Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
There's still almost a month to go before the election. If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved. THAT's where partisanship comes into play. Sticking by an untenable candidate while his reputation implodes doesn't do the GOP, or conservatives, the least bit of good.
You are entitled to your opinion your leftist ideals and philosophy. #1 McConnell is a known liar. #2 Moore is innocent until he is proven guilty. #3 If this were RINO Kasich you'd defend him in a heartbeat.
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I can only wonder what the Islamist Throwbacks think of this political catfight, and how many more of them it's inspiring to perceive us as weak and take up the fight against us.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/islamic-republic-pakistan-child-marriages-73-million
Salient point. They are counting on that 'divided we fall' factor.
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Weak? How about strength? I applaud McConnell and the many other Republicans and conservatives who are standing up to this moral hypocrite.
Thank Goodness! This was threatening to be one of the least humorous days of the month!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8mONPi4Xh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8mONPi4Xh4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nnc5ZT0i_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nnc5ZT0i_I)
Washington Post is rolling out "man on the street" interviews from Alabama. You can guess which way the majority of respondents leaned.
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Maybe because they recognize him as a moral hypocrite. Partisanship and partisan loyalty shouldn't go so far as to compel one to defend the indefensible.
There's still almost a month to go before the election. If Moore steps down now, there may be a chance the seat can be saved. THAT's where partisanship comes into play. Sticking by an untenable candidate while his reputation implodes doesn't do the GOP, or conservatives, the least bit of good.
Indefensible? Nothing has been proven. You have shady accusuers and a shady reporter with a criminal past who does hit pieces against Republicans. Funny how you give all that a pass and yet give Moore no benefit of the doubt.
There's no evidence that Moore is untenable. All you have is a WaPo hit piece trying to drag his numbers down. All this fiction is in your mind because you are already biased against the guy and ready to throw him over the boat.
Funny how anyone who disagree with gays or transgenders is a bigot, but someone dating women you think are a little too far apart in age is reprehensible. You seem to have a very double and hypocritical standard of what is acceptable in romance.
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@XenaLee
Pakistani Clerics Block un-Islamic Child Marriage Bill
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3401079/Pakistani-clerics-block-Islamic-child-marriage-bill.html
These unsubstantiated political attacks are going to get American GIs injured or killed.
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Ever notice that they is nearly a sole from Kentucky that will stand up for Mitch? Make one wonder how he got any votes to get elected himself.
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You are entitled to your opinion your leftist ideals and philosophy. #1 McConnell is a known liar. #2 Moore is innocent until he is proven guilty. #3 If this were RINO Kasich you'd defend him in a heartbeat.
It's a shame we can dredge up some gal to say Mitch assaulted her. But no one would believe a woman would let that creature get near her.
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Ever notice that they is nearly a sole from Kentucky that will stand up for Mitch? Make one wonder how he got any votes to get elected himself.
It's made up of a huge number of former Reagan Democrats, who are now full-on Yellow Dog Democrats now.
McConnell has a machine that operates exactly like Crook County.
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It's made up of a huge number of former Reagan Democrats, who are now full-on Yellow Dog Democrats now.
McConnell has a machine that operates exactly like Crook County.
So he went to all the kennels to get his votes? Probably had no IDs either.
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Ever notice that they is nearly a sole from Kentucky that will stand up for Mitch? Make one wonder how he got any votes to get elected himself.
Here is a picture of Mitch when he was asked about Menendez.
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So he went to all the kennels to get his votes? Probably had no IDs either.
The hatred and dislike among most locals for McConnell is amazing to behold. How he won against Bevin was the result of two years of the most vicious, evil and unbelievable slander and attacks that McConnell and the Democrats together ran against him. I was getting big anti-Bevin postcards from McConnell within two weeks of Bevin announcing his candidacy to run for the Senate. The amount of smear and vitriol in those hit pieces are right in line with what one would expect to get from Democrat operatives, not from the so-called leader of the Republican party who used nearly every single Liberal-Left cliche against Bevin as a Tea Party member that one could find.
McConnell is just an old, retarded version of Chucky Schmucky Schumer.
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Mitch McConnell circled the wagons around Bob Packwood like a rabid dog. He looked a blind eye to Menendez. He kept his mouth shut about Dennis Hastert.....but a guy he genuinly dislikes get hit with an insane WaPo hit piece and he is outraged.
Mitch is a pansy squish.
I had forgotten about Robert Packwood. But Packwood was their kind of Swamp Creature. Moore is someone who won't go along with the Swamp.
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I had forgotten about Robert Packwood. But Packwood was their kind of Swamp Creature. Moore is someone who won't go along with the Swamp.
That is exactly why all the swamp critters have turned on him. And a few people here, I might add.
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The hatred and dislike among most locals for McConnell is amazing to behold. How he won against Bevin was the result of two years of the most vicious, evil and unbelievable slander and attacks that McConnell and the Democrats together ran against him. I was getting big anti-Bevin postcards from McConnell within two weeks of Bevin announcing his candidacy to run for the Senate. The amount of smear and vitriol in those hit pieces are right in line with what one would expect to get from Democrat operatives, not from the so-called leader of the Republican party who used nearly every single Liberal-Left cliche against Bevin as a Tea Party member that one could find.
McConnell is just an old, retarded version of Chucky Schmucky Schumer.
If for just one day, one glorious day, the likes of McConnell and McCain would train their guns on the Democrats with the hate and fury they reserve for us, I would be so happy.
But that day will never come.
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If for just one day, one glorious day, the likes of McConnell and McCain would train their guns on the Democrats with the hate and fury they train on us, I would be so happy.
But that day will never come.
I feel very passionately that we cannot let Roy Moore be railroaded out of a race he deserves to win.
It that happens, it will set a pattern for ruining every future conservative. There are plenty of skanks out there with their hands out.
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I feel very passionately that we cannot let Roy Moore be railroaded out of a race he deserves to win.
It that happens, it will set a pattern for ruining every future conservative. There are plenty of skanks out there with their hands out.
What's wrong is wrong. Sometimes a guy's a creep, even if he votes your way on the issues.
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What's wrong is wrong. Sometimes a guy's a creep, even if he votes your way on the issues.
It’s nothing more than allegations and innuendo until proven. There is no proof other than a collection of sleezeballs with sleezy lawyers trying to make a buck or two off of a politician. Imagine if an old maybe so-called friend of your father from 40 years ago started making these types of allegations were to be appointed a CEO or president of a company as he worked his way up the ladder.
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It’s nothing more than allegations and innuendo until proven. There is no proof other than a collection of sleezeballs with sleezy lawyers trying to make a buck or two off of a politician.
Nah! The press and the Washington elites have said it's so and that's that! /s
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That is exactly why all the swamp critters have turned on him. And a few people here, I might add.
People have turned on Moore because two credible women have come forward who have accused him of sexual assault. He was unfit for the Senate before these latest accusations and is a dead man walking now.
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I feel very passionately that we cannot let Roy Moore be railroaded out of a race he deserves to win.
It that happens, it will set a pattern for ruining every future conservative. There are plenty of skanks out there with their hands out.
What proof do you have that any of these women were paid? Moore admitted to dating teenagers when in his 30s. And he only dated them, he says, "with the approval of their mothers."
He's got the M.O. of a pederast. If he wins and the Senate does not expel him, the Grand Old Pederast party will be branded for the next year and will lose the House and possibly the Senate in 2018.
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It’s nothing more than allegations and innuendo until proven. There is no proof other than a collection of sleezeballs with sleezy lawyers trying to make a buck or two off of a politician. Imagine if an old maybe so-called friend of your father from 40 years ago started making these types of allegations were to be appointed a CEO or president of a company as he worked his way up the ladder.
Men are serving time in prison for what Moore did on the word of a woman alone. So they're more than allegations. There will be no further "proof."
Let the Republicans go into the election next year doubting the word of these women, after all the Weinstein and Spacey stuff. They'll be lucky to keep the Senate, much less the House.
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People have turned on Moore because two credible women have come forward who have accused him of sexual assault. He was unfit for the Senate before these latest accusations and is a dead man walking now.
I think most turned on him because of his defense when they came out. In defending himself, he tried to justify some abhorrent behavior by qualifying it with statements like 'I never dated young women without getting permission from their mothers' and 'I dated many young girls when I got out of the military' (paraphrased). That qualification spin, if he wasn't talking about High School girls, was unnecessary, but sure makes it appear he was trying to justify dating, at least 16-17 year olds as he said he did.
When you add to your denial 'but', it makes people question the validity of the denial.
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People have turned on Moore because two credible women have come forward who have accused him of sexual assault. He was unfit for the Senate before these latest accusations and is a dead man walking now.
Until those two "credible" women file a lawsuit and prove their case in court it's 100% BS in my book! We've seen this movie how many times now? Most recently with Herman Cain!
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Men are serving time in prison for what Moore did on the word of a woman alone. So they're more than allegations. There will be no further "proof."
Let the Republicans go into the election next year doubting the word of these women, after all the Weinstein and Spacey stuff. They'll be lucky to keep the Senate, much less the House.
If they have something then why not take it to the courts? Why wait to be part of this 11th hour me too crap? It’s BS!
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He's got the M.O. of a pederast.
So where are the allegations that are not 40 years old? Where are the recent corroborated allegations with evidence that the guy is a practicing pederast?
You're defending a party who sent one of their leaders to go to court to DEFEND and ask a judge to exonerate Democrat Bob Menendez for corruption and sex with underage prostitutes.
The GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs anyway and it will not be because Moore won an election.
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What proof do you have that any of these women were paid? Moore admitted to dating teenagers when in his 30s. And he only dated them, he says, "with the approval of their mothers."
He's got the M.O. of a pederast. If he wins and the Senate does not expel him, the Grand Old Pederast party will be branded for the next year and will lose the House and possibly the Senate in 2018.
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Definition of pederast
:a man who desires or engages in sexual activity with a boy
— pederastic play \ˌpe-də-ˈra-stik\ adjective
— pederasty play \ˈpe-də-ˌra-stē\ noun
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pederast
I believe the word you are looking for is "Ephebophilia ."
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Definition of pederast
:a man who desires or engages in sexual activity with a boy
— pederastic play \ˌpe-də-ˈra-stik\ adjective
— pederasty play \ˈpe-də-ˌra-stē\ noun
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pederast
I believe the word you are looking for is "Ephebophilia ."
Maybe @sinkspur is trying to describe his buddy McConnell! :beer:
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Maybe @sinkspur is trying to describe his buddy McConnell! :beer:
I dunno - I see that word Pederast and I see this:
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Definition of pederast
:a man who desires or engages in sexual activity with a boy
— pederastic play \ˌpe-də-ˈra-stik\ adjective
— pederasty play \ˈpe-də-ˌra-stē\ noun
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pederast
I believe the word you are looking for is "Ephebophilia ."
Thanks for the correction.
Actually, the word I was looking for was chronophilia.
"Chronophilia: An umbrella term that covers sexual attraction to young children and teen, including pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia."
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Thanks for the correction.
Actually, the word I was looking for was chronophilia.
"Chronophilia: An umbrella term that covers sexual attraction to young children and teen, including pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia."
That could describe half of the current members of congress
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That could describe half of the current members of congress
You are being very kind IMHO!
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So where are the allegations that are not 40 years old? Where are the recent corroborated allegations with evidence that the guy is a practicing pederast?
You're defending a party who sent one of their leaders to go to court to DEFEND and ask a judge to exonerate Democrat Bob Menendez for corruption and sex with underage prostitutes.
The GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs anyway and it will not be because Moore won an election.
You want to know why these women didn’t come forward before? Look at the reaction they’re getting now. It would have been much worse 35 or 40 years ago before the internet and all the other media outlets we have today.
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What's wrong is wrong. Sometimes a guy's a creep, even if he votes your way on the issues.
So someone's a creep if they deviate from your defined sense of things, but others like gays and transgenders can deviate as they please, and anyone who questions that is a bigot.
Got it.
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You want to know why these women didn’t come forward before? Look at the reaction they’re getting now. It would have been much worse 35 or 40 years ago before the internet and all the other media outlets we have today.
Ok. So why didn't they come forward more recently, such as during the primaries?
I don't know about you, but I find the timing of these allegations rather suspect. That timing does lend support to the theory that the party elites assumed their fair haired boy, Strange,would win the primary and when he didnt, they conspired to dredge up a bunch of women to come forward and make unsubstantiated allegations against Moore. That tactic worked so well on Herman Cain, so why not do it again?
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Ok. So why didn't they come forward more recently, such as during the primaries?
I don't know about you, but I find the timing of these allegations rather suspect. That timing does lend support to the theory that the party elites assumed their fair haired boy, Strange,would win the primary and when he didnt, they conspired to dredge up a bunch of women to come forward and make unsubstantiated allegations against Moore. That tactic worked so well on Herman Cain, so why not do it again?
@Applewood
That is EXACTLY what's happening here! You nailed it! 888high58888 :beer: :beer:
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Ok. So why didn't they come forward more recently, such as during the primaries?
I don't know about you, but I find the timing of these allegations rather suspect. That timing does lend support to the theory that the party elites assumed their fair haired boy, Strange,would win the primary and when he didnt, they conspired to dredge up a bunch of women to come forward and make unsubstantiated allegations against Moore. That tactic worked so well on Herman Cain, so why not do it again?
Nailed it!
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So someone's a creep if they deviate from your defined sense of things, but others like gays and transgenders can deviate as they please, and anyone who questions that is a bigot.
Got it.
You've distorted my position. I support the equal protection of the law - INCLUDING with respect to homosexuals. If a gay couple wants to marry and be faithful to each other, then solid. I don't condone bathhouse shenanigans - but I do sympathize with those who remain true and loyal and monogamous - straight or gay.
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You've distorted my position. I support the equal protection of the law - INCLUDING with respect to homosexuals. If a gay couple wants to marry and be faithful to each other, then solid. I don't condone bathhouse shenanigans - but I do sympathize with those who remain true and loyal and monogamous - straight or gay.
But if a 32 y/o dates an 18 y/o, that's creepy, pervy and deviant. But if anyone else things gays and transgenders are deviant, they're bigots.
Got it.
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Ok. So why didn't they come forward more recently, such as during the primaries?
I don't know about you, but I find the timing of these allegations rather suspect. That timing does lend support to the theory that the party elites assumed their fair haired boy, Strange,would win the primary and when he didnt, they conspired to dredge up a bunch of women to come forward and make unsubstantiated allegations against Moore. That tactic worked so well on Herman Cain, so why not do it again?
Oh, baloney. The Dems are likely behind all this, not "establishment" Republicans. If it were the latter, the accusations would have come out before the primary when the interests of the GOP "establishment" would have been served.
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But if a 32 y/o dates an 18 y/o, that's creepy, pervy and deviant. But if anyone else things gays and transgenders are deviant, they're bigots.
Got it.
Reading comprehension just isn't your thing.
Answer me this - assume all the charges leveled against Moore were to be proven to your satisfaction. Would you still support him?
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Nailed it!
They've been doing this crap since they destroyed George Allen's presidential dreams many years ago and will NEVER stop doing it as long as WE allow them to!
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So someone's a creep if they deviate from your defined sense of things, but others like gays and transgenders can deviate as they please, and anyone who questions that is a bigot.
Got it.
Someone who says gays and transgenders have no rights in particular matters--as Roy Moore does--is a bigot.
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Oh, baloney. The Dems are likely behind all this, not "establishment" Republicans. If it were the latter, the accusations would have come out before the primary when the interests of the GOP "establishment" would have been served.
Aha!! So you admit it, this is all a dirty trick.
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Reading comprehension just isn't your thing.
Answer me this - assume all the charges leveled against Moore were to be proven to your satisfaction. Would you still support him?
That's a big if, but yes. All I require is proof. All we have is rumors, and some very stained glass moral high roaders claiming their rumors condemning Moore are better than the rumors discounting his accusers, while claiming anyone who doesn't believe their rumors is a moral hypocrite and scumbag, while deriding Moore for his stained glass moral high roadery.
The bald faced hypocrisy of the Moore haters couldn't get more rich.
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Someone who says gays and transgenders have no rights in particular matters--as Roy Moore does--is a bigot.
Yet those who think Moore can't deviate from their defined set of rules, is also a bigot.
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Aha!! So you admit it, this is all a dirty trick.
And they're more than happy to pile on because they hate him.
Which is fine, call a spade a spade, don't dress it up in moral high mindedness and saintly wisdom.
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Yet those who think Moore can't deviate from their defined set of rules, is also a bigot.
Moore thinks gays and transgenders have no rights. That'a s lot different from "deviating from a set of rules."
You're OK with 30 year old men pursuing teenage girls. Go out and ask the first five people you meet if they are, too. I think you'll be surprised.
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Aha!! So you admit it, this is all a dirty trick.
Of course it's a dirty trick - the timing proves that. But I believe the women - the accusations are too numerous and corroborated to ignore, and Moore himself hasn't denied he was dating teens.
Politics ain't beanbag, but sometimes the sleaze is true. Moore needs to take the advice of the dozens of respected conservatives who say he should step down now and give the GOP a shot at retaining the seat.
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Moore thinks gays and transgenders have no rights. That'a s lot different from "deviating from a set of rules."
You're OK with 30 year old men pursuing teenage girls. Go out and ask the first five people you meet if they are, too. I think you'll be surprised.
Yet, if you the first 5 people you found disagreed with being gay or transgendered, you'd call them bigots. Nice way to insulate yourself there.
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Of course it's a dirty trick - the timing proves that. But I believe the women - the accusations are too numerous and corroborated to ignore, and Moore himself hasn't denied he was dating teens.
Politics ain't beanbag, but sometimes the sleaze is true. Moore needs to take the advice of the dozens of respected conservatives who say he should step down now and give the GOP a shot at retaining the seat.
I have rumors that say all this sleaze is not true.
Your rumors are no better than my rumors.
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Of course it's a dirty trick - the timing proves that. But I believe the women - the accusations are too numerous and corroborated to ignore, and Moore himself hasn't denied he was dating teens.
Politics ain't beanbag, but sometimes the sleaze is true. Moore needs to take the advice of the dozens of respected conservatives who say he should step down now and give the GOP a shot at retaining the seat.
So you're OK with dirty tricks, so long as it gets you what YOU want?
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Of course it's a dirty trick - the timing proves that. But I believe the women - the accusations are too numerous
The accusations that have any bearing number exactly two. Accusations that he dated teenagers do not mean anything to me.
Let me further say that if they were of any significance, the people involved should not have waited till now to make an issue over them. So far as i'm concerned, they forfeited their opportunity to be taken seriously by waiting far far too long to bring them up.
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So you're OK with dirty tricks, so long as it gets you what YOU want?
Jazzhead has always been an 'ends-justify-the-means' type person.
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So you're OK with dirty tricks, so long as it gets you what YOU want?
I'm not "OK" with it, but I see no reason to go down with the ship. I'm not big on martyrdom - I'd rather retain the seat, and Moore has got to step down for that to happen.
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Jazzhead has always been an 'ends-justify-the-means' type person.
Oh, bullshit. Those who defend the indefensible are ends-justify-the-means types. I didn't support Moore, to be sure, but I had no objection to the outcome of the primary process until it became clear that Moore was fatally damaged goods. As I said early on, the next Senator from Alabama will be either Doug Moore or the Republican - and if the Republican is Roy Moore, it won't be the Republican.
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Oh, bullshit. Those who defend the indefensible are ends-justify-the-means types.
You mean like you defending the Constitutionality of judges barring states from establishing their own abortion laws or marriage laws while knowing full well there isn't a damn thing in the Constitution that allows it? Defending the indefensible?
I didn't support Moore, to be sure
Nor did I. But I damn sure ain't jumping in bed with Mitch McConnell telling everyone how wonderful his reach-arounds are simply because he promotes your desired outcome. (See: Ends justifying the means)
but I had no objection to the outcome of the primary process until it became clear that Moore was fatally damaged goods.
So what do you propose? No matter what happens, there will be two names on that ballot come election day. We already know what those two names will be. So tell us, what is your plan of action?
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So what do you propose? No matter what happens, there will be two names on that ballot come election day. We already know what those two names will be. So tell us, what is your plan of action?
Have Moore gone by the weekend. Then convince the Governor of Alabama to postpone the special election. She can and will do it - but first the nomination must be vacated.
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Have Moore gone by the weekend. Then convince the Governor of Alabama to postpone the special election. She can and will do it - but first the nomination must be vacated.
Nope. Not without proof. You have admitted that this is a political thing, the only way to decide it is at the ballot box by the voters.
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Have Moore gone by the weekend.
Have him gone? What do you propose? A mafia hit?
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Have Moore gone by the weekend. Then convince the Governor of Alabama to postpone the special election. She can and will do it - but first the nomination must be vacated.
Before we try this, can we test run this on the 2 Senators in AZ first? Maybe try on a couple other of your RINO pals after that to make sure we get it right.
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What is the deal with this Roy Moore yearbook signature? Two different colors of ink?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjAmMWX4AAKs0H.jpg)
Why would Roy Moore sign "Roy" in black, and then write "Moore" in blue along with the rest, including the date?
It looks like someone named "Roy" signed it, and then the other part was added later.
This is looking weird. This does not make sense.
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Jazzhead has always been an 'ends-justify-the-means' type person.
Yeah, I know. I'm just enjoying the jackass being forced to admit it. 888bravo
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Have him gone? What do you propose? A mafia hit?
If Jazzhead had his way - absolutely. He's a proven ends-justifies-the-means guy.
His vitriol for 'bigoted' Christians he has stated he is happy to punish is already on record here on this board.
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What is the deal with this Roy Moore yearbook signature? Two different colors of ink?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjAmMWX4AAKs0H.jpg)
Why would Roy Moore sign "Roy" in black, and then write "Moore" in blue along with the rest, including the date?
It looks like someone named "Roy" signed it, and then the other part was added later.
This is looking weird. This does not make sense.
A lot of things about all this don't make sense. But don't expect that conniving bunch of thieves in DC to demand or implement an investigation into all of this. They're too busy trying to throw Moore under the bus.
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Yeah, I know. I'm just enjoying the jackass being forced to admit it. 888bravo
My response to the charge, in my post # 80, was "bullshit." Folks like you and INVAR who excuse this man's creepy immorality because he'll promote your religion-fueled hatred of folks you despise are the real "ends justify the means" types. *****rollingeyes*****
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My response to the charge, in my post # 80, was "bullshit." Folks like you and INVAR who excuse this man's creepy immorality because he'll promote your religion-fueled hatred of folks you despise are the real "ends justify the means" types. *****rollingeyes*****
I don't register any disapproval of the tactic in this post:
Of course it's a dirty trick - the timing proves that. But I believe the women - the accusations are too numerous and corroborated to ignore, and Moore himself hasn't denied he was dating teens.
Politics ain't beanbag, but sometimes the sleaze is true. Moore needs to take the advice of the dozens of respected conservatives who say he should step down now and give the GOP a shot at retaining the seat.
My eyes are the ones rolling right now. Not only are you a stranger to the truth, you're a hypocrite to boot. *****rollingeyes*****
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As I said, CL, sometimes the sleaze is true. As appears to be the case to most reasonable folks, like Cruz, Lee, Coryn, Shelby, etc., etc., etc.
You, I suppose, don't give a damn; you'll support Judge Moore regardless of how many teens he groped as D.A. That's the end justifying the means. If that's what's important to you, I understand - I don't want the seat falling to the Dems either. But for heaven's sake be a bit honest about it.
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My response to the charge, in my post # 80, was "bullshit." Folks like you and INVAR who excuse this man's creepy immorality because he'll promote your religion-fueled hatred of folks you despise are the real "ends justify the means" types.
What about your own perverted, evil and creepy immorality that operates as an antiChrist to scripture?
At least Moore is not advocating infanticide; empowering government to eradicate enumerated rights; force people to violate their religious exercise and consciences by serving evil or lose their livelihood and be plundered while at the same time advocating schemes to infringe on the inalienable right of self defense so you can feel 'safe'.
Your immorality far outweighs the creepy one you have convicted Moore of without a shred of evidence outside of hearsay by political assassins.
But your own words - go farther along to convict you of the immorality you spew here daily.
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What's wrong is wrong. Sometimes a guy's a creep, even if he votes your way on the issues.
Yeah. Now all you have to do is PROVE IT.
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The bald faced hypocrisy of the Moore haters couldn't get more rich.
Ain't that the fact!
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As I said, CL, sometimes the sleaze is true. As appears to be the case to most reasonable folks, like Cruz, Lee, Coryn, Shelby, etc., etc., etc.
You, I suppose, don't give a damn; you'll support Judge Moore regardless of how many teens he groped as D.A. That's the end justifying the means. If that's what's important to you, I understand - I don't want the seat falling to the Dems either. But for heaven's sake be a bit honest about it.
You may notice I don't bother responding to your accusations concerning my motives anymore. It's because I'm weary of your constantly impugning my character, as you are in this case. You know nothing about my opinion of Judge Roy Moore. Nothing. I know a great deal about yours, however, because you are as transparent as a piece of glass.
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What is the deal with this Roy Moore yearbook signature? Two different colors of ink?
Why would Roy Moore sign "Roy" in black, and then write "Moore" in blue along with the rest, including the date?
It looks like someone named "Roy" signed it, and then the other part was added later.
This is looking weird. This does not make sense.
And first presented in grayscale, btw...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjAmMWX4AAKs0H.jpg)
It looks like someone named "Roy" signed it, and then the other part was added later.
This is looking weird. This does not make sense.
I think everything here is authentic except for the word 'Love,', the date, and the printed 'Old Hickory House' and 'DA'.
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And first presented in grayscale, btw...
Sounds like an effort to cover up the difference in color. If someone is trying to hide something from you, that implies deliberate dishonesty.
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I think everything here is authentic except for the word 'Love,', the date, and the printed 'Old Hickory House' and 'DA'.
Why would the other stuff in blue be added later? Could it have been added recently? To shore up this claim?
Also, I am yet unclear as to whether this was purportedly before or after the day she was accusing him of sexual impropriety with her.
Weird bits do not fit. There are more than a few of them in this accusation.
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Also, I am yet unclear as to whether this was purportedly before or after the day she was accusing him of sexual impropriety with her.
Her statement says that the assault took place a week or two after the 12-22 signing. This is an interesting statement on her part because it puts the assault either before or after New Year's Day. Because of that, it should be much easier to pinpoint. Did the assault take place before or after New Year's?
And on that particular New Year's, Bear Bryant defeated Woody Hayes in the Sugar Bowl in the battle of Good vs. Evil. I think it would be fairly easy to ascertain if she quit her job in 1977 or 1978.
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Sounds like an effort to cover up the difference in color. If someone is trying to hide something from you, that implies deliberate dishonesty.
Allred's press release on ths was very parsed. As I said in another thread, she had all her boxes checked - too well. Now this, and Young's stepson says it's all crap.
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I've seen excerpts of when Allred came out, have people heard, in a few places, they say the woman Young Nelson called hm "Ray" Moore.
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There ARE other Ray Moore’s from Gadsden.
https://www.whitepages.com/name/Ray-Moore/Rainbow-City-AL (https://www.whitepages.com/name/Ray-Moore/Rainbow-City-AL)
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Hey Mitch:
I Believe the Conservative Voters - YOU are supposed to be working for - when They say You don't meet the Ethical and Moral Standards required of a Senator to be a Senator.
So can I have the Senate Ethics Committee Expel You, just because I think (Hell, I know it would make me a National Hero if I could pull it off) it would Look Good because I Don't like YOU either?
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There ARE other Ray Moore’s from Gadsden.
https://www.whitepages.com/name/Ray-Moore/Rainbow-City-AL (https://www.whitepages.com/name/Ray-Moore/Rainbow-City-AL)
Yeah but none of them are Christian Conservatives currently running for the Senate! They don't matter! The lynch mob is out in full force with very few standing against them!
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Hey Mitch:
I Believe the Conservative Voters - YOU are supposed to be working for - when They say You don't meet the Ethical and Moral Standards required of a Senator to be a Senator.
So can I have the Senate Ethics Committee Expel You, just because I think (Hell, I know it would make me a National Hero if I could pull it off) it would Look Good because I Don't like YOU either?
:beer: