Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 05:18:50 pm
McCarthy defiant ahead of speaker vote: 'I've earned this damn job'
Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (CA) said he's "earned" the job of speaker of the House in a tense Republican conference meeting before Tuesday's speaker vote.
The embattled No. 1 House Republican gave a speech making the case for why he should have the gavel, telling his Republican colleagues that he's "earned this damn job," according to sources in the room, who said his remarks received a standing ovation. He pledged to stay and fight for the job even if very few members stand with him.
McCarthy defiant ahead of speaker vote: 'I've earned this damn job'
America hasn't earned you, dumbass. This isn't about you. It is about restoring this country to it's original design. The path we are on now will end with the destruction of this Republic. And it's attitudes like yours that is causing it.
The only think that McCarthy has 'earned' is a medal from the Democrats for not blocking anything they have wanted to do over the past four years.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 05:36:58 pm
BREAKING: @MattGaetz says members were threatened with removal from committees if they don’t vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker.
Sounds like something a Democrat would do. Oh, wait . . .
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 05:38:33 pm
Report: Boebert, Gaetz, Perry Told McCarthy They Don’t Mind if Democrat Hakeem Jeffries Wins Speakership
Three House Freedom Caucus members reportedly told GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in a private meeting on Monday that they don’t mind if incoming House Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) wins the speakership.
Report: Boebert, Gaetz, Perry Told McCarthy They Don’t Mind if Democrat Hakeem Jeffries Wins Speakership
Three House Freedom Caucus members reportedly told GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in a private meeting on Monday that they don’t mind if incoming House Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) wins the speakership.
I don't think Jeffries will get 8 GOP votes. Best thing to do, is for McCarthy to defer to Scalise or even better Jordon.
Report: Boebert, Gaetz, Perry Told McCarthy They Don’t Mind if Democrat Hakeem Jeffries Wins Speakership
Three House Freedom Caucus members reportedly told GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in a private meeting on Monday that they don’t mind if incoming House Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) wins the speakership.
I don't think Jeffries will get 8 GOP votes. Best thing to do, is for McCarthy to defer to Scalise or even better Jordon.
Why Scalise? He was a near useless Whip.
Jordan doesn't want it ..... he's chomping at the bit to take over the Judiciary.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:24:50 pm
Tomi Lahren @TomiLahren · 29s I am not the biggest fan of McCarthy either, but let’s stop pissing around. If a Republican is going to be the speaker, it’s going to be him. All of this showboating might look good for certain individuals, but it’s hurting us in the big picture.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 06:25:07 pm
Scalise, hell no! Jordan? Works for me. Better yet, Alan West.
Yeah, I prefer Jordon, but Scalise might have to be a consensus pick. He at least has stronger conservative stripes and background than McCarthy.
West? He lost me when he tried has his little carpet bagging Governor stunt in TX last year.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:26:54 pm
Kambree @KamVTV · 2m Just heard, they could lower the bar for the next round of votes, and the person with the most votes is House Speaker. More than likely ensuring Kevin McCarthy speaker. That's an option
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 06:27:06 pm
Tomi Lahren @TomiLahren · 29s I am not the biggest fan of McCarthy either, but let’s stop pissing around. If a Republican is going to be the speaker, it’s going to be him. All of this showboating might look good for certain individuals, but it’s hurting us in the big picture.
As far as I am concerned the best outcome is for the House to spend the next 730 days taking Speaker roll call votes, and not spend our tax dollars.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 06:28:30 pm
Kambree @KamVTV · 2m Just heard, they could lower the bar for the next round of votes, and the person with the most votes is House Speaker. More than likely ensuring Kevin McCarthy speaker. That's an option
Now we are sounding like democrats..... Don't like the results within the rules..... Change the rules.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 06:28:46 pm
15 votes now for Biggs or Other.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:30:54 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 16m Right now, with voting for Speaker still ongoing, no candidate will have a majority, and @RepJeffries could have a plurality (tho not enough to win). 2nd ballot likely. Republicans look like idiots; Democrats, unified in opposition. Possibility of a Democrat being elected Speaker
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:32:09 pm
Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer · 5m Lmao. So funny!
Kevin McCarthy is slouched over in his chair because he doesn’t have the votes to be Speaker.
He looks like a slob, because he is a slob. Slouched over with humiliation.
We will celebrate when he loses.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:32:54 pm
Everyone was worried about being just short. Hell, he is looking at close to 10% defection. So much for a few vocal angry renegades derailing this RINO's effort.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:36:21 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 20s .@SteveScalise , the minority faction's supposed alternative to McCarthy in the event of a 2nd ballot, just voted for McCarthy.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:36:41 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 2m A small group of so-called Republicans has decided that the electorate that voted for Republicans to control the House must be disenfranchised so that they can have a hissy fit for the amusement of Democrats and the mainstream media who will applaud @RepJeffries for his "victory"
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 06:38:47 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:48:45 pm
thebradfordfile @thebradfordfile · 8m Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:49:45 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 11m The anti-McCarthy Republicans have absolutely no constituency, except on social media and a few parts of conservative media, who will run away from responsibility in the event that a Democrat becomes Speaker. Already, @RepJeffries is on his way to a plurality on the first ballot.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:50:33 pm
John Kasich @JohnKasich · 2m A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:51:20 pm
Guy Benson @guypbenson · 2m Hakeem Jeffies (D) won more votes for Speaker than Kevin McCarthy (R) on the first ballot. Take a bow, gang. “Point” made?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 06:51:20 pm
A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
Happy, Gaetz?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:52:43 pm
Chris Cillizza @ChrisCillizza · 4m Update!
212 Jeffries 203 McCarthy 10 Andy Biggs 9 other
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Kamaji on January 03, 2023, 06:53:03 pm
This is just pure insanity.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:53:13 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 37s For the second Congress in a row, a bunch of jerks have delayed the confirmation of an election and made Republicans look stupid
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:53:25 pm
Justin Amash @justinamash · 41s It’s unlikely that this will be sorted out anytime soon.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 06:53:44 pm
:bkmk:
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:53:55 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 7m Hakeem Jeffries defeats Kevin McCarthy on first ballot, just 6 votes shy of outright victory for Speaker of the House, thanks to "Republican" defections to candidates who cannot win
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:54:27 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 6m HISTORIC moment: McCarthy is the first speaker-nominee to not win on the first ballot since 1923.
Haven't heard the gavel yet.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 03, 2023, 06:54:36 pm
thebradfordfile @thebradfordfile · 8m Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
You know.....
I'm about give up. My message to all of you who are supporting McCarthy for Speaker?..... Well have at it.
I, on the other hand, expect that you have lost the right to bitch about all the upcoming times that he caves to his dimocratic friends in the spirit of bipartisanship. The Swamp hence perpetuated.
I wanted a Speaker who would fight back. Not play nice.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 06:56:13 pm
Well there Kevs, swallow your ego and either go find some Rats, or start making some real concessions.
There need to be some serious rule changes.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:58:06 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:59:24 pm
Reid J. Epstein @reidepstein · 20s RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel just now on Fox News: “This Republican-on-Republican infighting is only hurting one thing: Our party.”
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 06:59:50 pm
Wayne 'VisibilityFiltered' DuPree @WayneDupreeShow · 1m Hey Kevin,
Red Wave, red Wave
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: roamer_1 on January 03, 2023, 06:59:58 pm
I'm about give up. My message to all of you who are supporting McCarthy for Speaker?..... Well have at it.
I, on the other hand, expect that you have lost the right to bitch about all the upcoming times that he caves to his dimocratic friends in the spirit of bipartisanship. The Swamp hence perpetuated.
I wanted a Speaker who would fight back. Not play nice.
That's right. This is excellent!
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:02:14 pm
Well there Kevs, swallow your ego and either go find some Rats, or start making some real concessions.
There need to be some serious rule changes.
This is all on McCarthy....
Per Freedom Caucus, all he had to do for smooth vote and appoval was :
1. Bring Term Limits up for Floor Vote 2. Bring a balanced provision to balance the budget as provided from committee 3. Bring to floor vote the Border Plan provided by the Texas delegate.
Can one Briefer tell me if this is unacceptable...... Or just what or why McCarthy would refuse?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 07:03:23 pm
Reid J. Epstein @reidepstein · 20s RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel just now on Fox News: “This Republican-on-Republican infighting is only hurting one thing: Our party.”
Trump gave us this Establishment piece of crap.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:04:11 pm
I'm about give up. My message to all of you who are supporting McCarthy for Speaker?..... Well have at it.
I, on the other hand, expect that you have lost the right to bitch about all the upcoming times that he caves to his dimocratic friends in the spirit of bipartisanship. The Swamp hence perpetuated.
I wanted a Speaker who would fight back. Not play nice.
I agree...I just wish they would have settled this before now McCarthy has already moved into the Speakers office...
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 07:05:17 pm
Think back to 1994 and the elevation of Newt Gingrich to Speaker, the first from the GOP in 40 years. Before 1995 was out, Newtie caved in to Clinton on an Omnibus spending bill.
We've been double-crossed by Republican Speakers ever since.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:05:38 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 11m Some Republicans are so determined to protect their own brand that they are fine with holding the entire nation hostage, and showing that they cannot govern.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 07:05:49 pm
Reid J. Epstein @reidepstein · 20s RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel just now on Fox News: “This Republican-on-Republican infighting is only hurting one thing: Our party.”
Ronna...... you did 10X more to damage this party than the entire Freedom Caucus, with your mismanagment of the '22 election. You can keep your silly opinions to yourself.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: roamer_1 on January 03, 2023, 07:06:57 pm
Think back to 1994 and the elevation of Newt Gingrich to Speaker, the first from the GOP in 40 years. Before 1995 was out, Newtie caved in to Clinton on an Omnibus spending bill.
We've been double-crossed by Republican Speakers ever since.
Great points.....
At least Newt was stealth. McCarthy already has his knives out to stick in conservative's in the back. He's as bad as a dim in my opinion.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 07:10:20 pm
It's the swamp talking! Nothing more or less! The ONLY time any of those people need us is on election day. Beyond that, they ALL work for K Street!
That's right. This, right here, is the only leverage there will ever be.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:12:54 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 34m Hakeem Jeffries is set to win the first ballot as Speaker of the House, he will not be Speaker, but win the first ballot. Democrats never humiliate themselves the way Republicans do.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 07:13:30 pm
How much to move him out? $500-600? I'd personally pay as long as I could watch his face as I saw his stuff being hauled out the curb on Constitution Avenue. The damned gall of it all.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 07:14:34 pm
Looks like McCarthy wants to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 03, 2023, 07:16:19 pm
Jordan is making a fine speech, just for the wrong person. Too bad the Leadership won't take up those points and act on them.
What you see is a once great republic dying before your eyes.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:30:51 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 1m BIGGS is the first No vote on McCarthy to change his vote from himself to Jim JORDAN
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:33:15 pm
Robby Starbuck @robbystarbuck · 3m I pray I’m wrong but I just have a feeling this speaker contest is going to end in an absolute disaster. Maybe I’m very cynical but what I’m hearing isn’t good.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 07:33:35 pm
What you see is a once great republic dying before your eyes.
Like a slow motion train wreck.
Seeing today, and hearing so many dye in the wool conservatives coming to the defense of McCarthy is totally depressing.
I think we may be seeing the death of political conservatism in this country as we know it this afternoon. Our side's whimpering and accepting this, is a betrayal of all the voters who wanted something different than the Biden Agenda.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:33:49 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 6m Sources tell me to expect more House Rs to vote for JORDAN this ballot, even though he gave the nominating speech for McCarthy not long ago
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 07:33:56 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:34:51 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 1m SECOND BALLOT key No-KM vote tally here: 1. Biggs -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs) 2. Bishop -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs) 3. Boebert -- Jordan 4. Brecheen -- Jordan (prev. Banks)
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:35:33 pm
Jon Ward @jonward11 · 1m After Jim Jordan spoke I watched from the gallery as he walked to the back of the chamber. As he left his seat, Stefanik shook his hand and thanked him. I did not see McCarthy — who was just across the aisle — even look at him or any communication between the two.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:37:55 pm
*Others* up to 7 so McCarthy already loses on the 2nd ballot
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:43:31 pm
Robert Costa @costareports · 1m A third ballot now looks likely as the votes against McCarthy begin to tick up once again… the question now is what’s the breaking point? For him or his critics. Will there be a push to have a recess and huddle behind closed doors? Or is it a floor fight under the bright lights?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:44:53 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 1h There's a theory the McCarthy detractors will try to make him look weaker on 2nd ballot by having more members come out against him, but I have heard from sources this was discussed.
We will see if that proves true. But he currently has 11 No's
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 07:45:27 pm
I'll take Conservative over Democrat-Lite any day.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:47:02 pm
🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 @mrddmia · 1h Scalise is much better than McCarthy.
Scalise is conservative and principled.
McCarthy is neither.
(And he's a scumbag, personally.)
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 07:47:06 pm
I've not seen a formal list of demands, but for me my main wish would to drastically reform the rules to stop or reverse what happened the last session.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:48:01 pm
Joel Fischer 🇺🇸 @realJoelFischer · 8m The Republicans can't even nominate a speaker, and they want us to believe that they can govern.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:48:41 pm
LivePDDave 🇺🇸 @LivePDDave1 · 1m Dumbass @kilmeade just now on Fox News said to be Speaker, you cannot be a hardcore lefty or righty ... you need to be a "centrist like McCarthy" lol ... like Pelosi was ever a centrist 🤡
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:49:09 pm
Cliff Maloney @CliffMaloneyJr · 1m NOMINATE DONALD TRUMP FOR SPEAKER
1. Force these RINOs to go on the record AGAINST Trump
2. Ruins their fake narrative that they are America First
3. Blocks RINOs from running around and acting like they really want to drain the swamp
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 07:50:19 pm
I've not seen a formal list of demands, but for me my main wish would to drastically reform the rules to stop or reverse what happened the last session.
Per Gaetz press conference. Looked like they were reasonable concessions to me..... ALL McCarthy had to do to meet terms for speaker was:
1. Agree to floor vote on term limits 2. Agree to floor vote on balanced budget from committee 3. Agree to push forward Texas delegation Border Plan
Why would McCarthy refuse these?
OK good, didn't realize about the press conference. No those are easy to support, though I'd ask for more, like single issue bills.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 07:54:37 pm
So we have 19 GOP Reps that actually give a damn about their country. And we have 203 GOP Reps that only care about their political perks.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:55:03 pm
Johnathan Ford @FordJohnathan5 · 4m Reports are saying McCarthy won’t have the votes as speaker for the second vote. Anti McCarthy republicans are shifting votes to Jim Jordan. Complete chaos. Democrats will vote for Hakeem Jeffries down the board again.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: roamer_1 on January 03, 2023, 07:55:17 pm
I think maybe Scalise is the hole card...
He is the obvious 'unity' candidate, and is wholly unmentioned in the action. If differences remain inconsolable, watch for him to be nominated...
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 07:55:25 pm
Just saw that Dan Crenshaw just called opponents of McCarthy enemies.
Two way street there AH.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:56:30 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 07:59:08 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 3m More pulled together list of GOP No-votes on 2nd ballot 1. Biggs -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs) 2. Bishop -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs) 3. Boebert -- Jordan 4. Brecheen -- Jordan (prev. Banks) 5. Cloud -- Jordan x2 6. Clyde -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs) 7. Crane -- Jordan (Prev. Biggs)
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 07:59:36 pm
It's pretty clear McCarthy believes he is entitled to this.
It is all about him and not what is best for the country.
I've had enough of the entitlement swamp.
And the people here defending it.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 08:03:52 pm
Didn't realize we had so many pageant princesses in our party. It's not about image or brand or how we look, it's what we get done. Get a pair and a thicker skin.
Nobody's going to remember or care about this vote in a month. Rats can smirk and mock and get stuck on that broken record, all the Reps gotta do, is do. Time will march on.
Old empty suit and helmet hair needs to get set back on his heels and knocked down a peg, then maybe we can get down to business and actually get something done.
This is how it should really work in the real world. People have gotten too fat and comfortable.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 08:04:44 pm
It's pretty clear McCarthy believes he is entitled to this.
Well, he did win the nomination by an overwhelming caucas majority ----- so there's that.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 08:06:41 pm
Republicans Gather In Congress To Vote On Who Will Fail The Voters This Time
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years.
"This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!"
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 08:09:03 pm
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 @RepMTG · 5m We can’t even swear in as members of congress until we elect a Speaker. We can’t form committees until we elect a Speaker. We (Republicans) can’t fire Nancy Pelosi loyal staff in the House & Capitol until we elect a Speaker. We can’t investigate anything until we have a Speaker.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 08:09:39 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 08:19:39 pm
David Brody @DBrodyReports · 1m The 19 NO's against McCarthy Biggs (AZ) Bishop (NC) Boebert (CO) Bechreen (OK) Cloud (TX) Clyde (GA) Crane (AZ) Gaetz (FL) Good (VA) Gosar (AZ) Harris (MD) Paulina Luna (FL) Miller (IL) Norman (SC) Ogles (TN) Scott Perry (PA) Rosendale (MT) Roy (TX) Self (TX)
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 08:20:07 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 5m THATS A WRAP on the second ballot roll. 19 House Rs still vote against him -- no more or less than the first ballot. Shows a lot of work still left for them.
All 19 voted for Jordan this round.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 03, 2023, 08:20:13 pm
David Brody @DBrodyReports · 1m The 19 NO's against McCarthy Biggs (AZ) Bishop (NC) Boebert (CO) Bechreen (OK) Cloud (TX) Clyde (GA) Crane (AZ) Gaetz (FL) Good (VA) Gosar (AZ) Harris (MD) Paulina Luna (FL) Miller (IL) Norman (SC) Ogles (TN) Scott Perry (PA) Rosendale (MT) Roy (TX) Self (TX)
Three from AZ, one being my rep.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 08:22:35 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 08:26:00 pm
Robert Costa @costareports · 36m Some Democrats might not show up for future rounds, I’m told, by several sources… some are just bored by the House GOP drama, others think it’s better than voting present
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 08:26:21 pm
It is. He voted for Biggs in the first round and Jordan (obviously) in the second round.
Oops!
Thank you for the correction.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 09:02:22 pm
If I were a rank-and-file GOPer in DeeCee, I'd be burning up the search engines with "What happened to the Whigs?"
We could be seeing this in live action today. I'd been reminding them about this for years....the Whigs went down because they did not move on the most pressing issue of the day. The GOP is not moving on the pressing issues of today.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 09:14:43 pm
1923 is quite similar to what we are seeing right now.
The GOP in general held a slight majority, with party itself fractured between mainstream GOP, Progressive GOP, and an Independent branch of the GOP.
Overall split of the GOP-dim split going into the 68th Congress was 209-195. As then there were 414 in the House. So Gillett needed 208 votes to secure Speaker's role.
Party Leader Frederick Gillett of NH fell short 12-15 votes short for the 1st 8 ballots, before he forged and alliance on the 9th ballot with the progressive branch with the party.
Does the Freedom Caucus hold firm, or take the same approach after some negotiations?
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:20:20 pm
3rd vote done...6 *other* votes...
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 09:20:39 pm
3rd ballot....
This just makes McCarthy look just that more inept.
Why don't they adjourn and bring the party into a close doored session, and have a once and for all, bring out the gloves, and all hash this out once and for all?
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Post by: Sighlass on January 03, 2023, 09:21:37 pm
Hold the line boys... Hold the line.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 09:23:24 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:33:24 pm
Andrew Pollack @AndrewPollackFL · 47s BREAKING: @ByronDonalds breaks from McCarthy & voted for @Jim_Jordan .
Thank you Byron!
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:33:51 pm
Greg Price @greg_price11 · 11m Welp, we once again did not make it out of the C names before Kevin McCarthy lost the votes to be Speaker.
No movement whatsoever in favor of him.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:34:32 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 11m ANOTHER NO: Rep. BYRON DONALDS votes for Jordan after twice voting for McCarthy
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:39:27 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 32m The rump Republicans drawing out the Speaker’s vote are making the RINOs’ case for them: that the GOP is held back by an extremist faction that must be marginalized like the John Birch Society. I criticized that attack when Christie et al. made it but Gaetz & Co. are redeeming it
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:40:57 pm
Robert Costa @costareports · 3m McCarthy is mostly still on the House. Watching. Observing. His allies say it’s tough to watch. No one knows what exactly breaks this open. Everything fluid. Dems united and happy to watch him twist in wind but also wonder what the heck is going on over there.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2023, 09:42:08 pm
Is McCarthy actually doing worse in Round 3?
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:42:11 pm
Lou Dobbs @LouDobbs · 1m Looks like the RINOs may be counting on a lower quorum number for the third round of voting--fewer Democrats would mean McCarthy needs fewer votes to become Speaker.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 09:43:52 pm
Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 · 30m From House source: 2 very plugged-in Dem leadership aides say they are already talking about “coalition leadership” to divide the House evenly between Republicans and Democrats.
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 12m If that happens, I will fundraise and work as hard as I can to remove Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, and the rest of the 19 Republicans from Congress. And believe me, there are a ton of us who will do the same.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 10:01:14 pm
Reported McCarthy wants a 4th vote without adjournment......
Just what does he think this will accomplish?
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Post by: Polly Ticks on January 03, 2023, 10:04:19 pm
Lou Dobbs @LouDobbs · 1m Looks like the RINOs may be counting on a lower quorum number for the third round of voting--fewer Democrats would mean McCarthy needs fewer votes to become Speaker.
So it takes a majority of members present - not members total. This makes it more precarious. If enough Republicans walk out, then Jeffries becomes Speaker. And if enough Dems walk out, McCarthy becomes Speaker.
This is 100% on McCarthy. He is the one here risking having a Dem Speaker, not the 20 Patriots.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 10:09:36 pm
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 03, 2023, 10:10:29 pm
Time to give it up McCarthy and step aside. Three times and you couldn't get it done. Swallow your ego for party unity. Let Jordan be the consensus candidate, because he will be.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 10:11:29 pm
Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 · 30m From House source: 2 very plugged-in Dem leadership aides say they are already talking about “coalition leadership” to divide the House evenly between Republicans and Democrats.
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 12m If that happens, I will fundraise and work as hard as I can to remove Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, and the rest of the 19 Republicans from Congress. And believe me, there are a ton of us who will do the same.
Just what the Democrats want. And it will be 100% on you for backing Democrat-lite at all cost.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 10:12:08 pm
Time to give it up McCarthy and step aside. Three times and you couldn't get it done. Swallow your ego for party unity. Let Jordan be the consensus candidate, because he will be.
Ditto.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 10:12:57 pm
You got to hope that some rank and file GOP finally recognize that this end game McCarthy is pushing is more akin to last man standing, than statesmenship. He is looking more like a loser in every subsequent vote.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 10:21:05 pm
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Post by: DB on January 03, 2023, 10:48:15 pm
This is McCarthy's fault for not having the votes before calling for a vote. He thought he could bully his way into the position he covets and was wrong, at least so far.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 11:00:15 pm
This is McCarthy's fault for not having the votes before calling for a vote. He thought he could bully his way into the position he covets and was wrong, at least so far.
Agree. The fact this debacle got to 3 votes today is more than perplexing. This was a lose-lose for him
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Post by: Fishrrman on January 03, 2023, 11:30:36 pm
I wouldn't post this otherwise, except that Hoodat brought it up: "It took the Second Continental Congress 419 days to declare independence from Britain."
Question: How long will it take the THIRD (New) Continental Congress to declare independence from DC?
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 11:35:22 pm
James Madisons, George Masons, and George Wythes are in short supply in 2023.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 11:35:53 pm
Agree. The fact this debacle got to 3 votes today is more than perplexing.
No, it's really not. As a bare minimum, the opposition had a responsibility to have a viable candidate ready to go after McCarthy lost the first vote. They should have been able to answer the question: "If not McCarthy, then who?".
Gaetz blew this up without doing the math and strategizing around the reality the numbers present. He's turned this into a personal vendetta against McCarthy and his principled opposition into a shit show. ---- weakening the entire caucas and strengthening democrats.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 11:42:21 pm
No, it's really not. As a bare minimum, the opposition had a responsibility to have a viable candidate ready to go after McCarthy lost the first vote. They should have been able to answer the question: "If not McCarthy, then who?".
Once McCarthy's name is off the ballot, you will find out who.
Gaetz blew this up without doing the math and strategizing around the reality the numbers present. He's turned this into a personal vendetta against McCarthy and his principled opposition into a shit show. ---- weakening the entire caucas and strengthening democrats.
Pure unadulterated crap. It is the failure to oppose the Democrat agenda that has weakened the entire caucus and strengthened Democrats. How refreshing it would be to have a Speaker who actually backed what Republicans have been promising for the last 20 years. Instead, we get the same old non-rational Establishment attacks against Conservatives.
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Post by: corbe on January 03, 2023, 11:42:55 pm
We won the battle but lost the war the last time the Freedom Caucus (Jim Jordan w/Ted Cruz) deposed of Leader Boehner. Hopefully we've learned something.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 11:48:18 pm
Kevin McCarthy and Steve Scalise were #2 and #3 to both Boehner and Ryan.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2023, 11:51:32 pm
This is McCarthy's fault for not having the votes before calling for a vote. He thought he could bully his way into the position he covets and was wrong, at least so far.
Now McCarthy is damaged goods. It's clear he doesn't have the clout to keep the Pub conference in line on big things. Hopefully tomorrow he will step aside and throw his support to Jim Jordan. It's not hard to see that those that were threatened are not going to turn around and trust him now.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 11:58:47 pm
Now McCarthy is damaged goods. It's clear he doesn't have the clout to keep the Pub conference in line on big things. Hopefully tomorrow he will step aside and through his support to Jim Jordan. It's not hard to see that those that were threatened are not going to turn around and trust him now.
McCarthy has been #2 (double entendre intended) in GOP leadership for eight years now. During those eight years, we have seen the House GOP sign off on roughly $15 billion in new debt. And now, his desire to become Speaker supersedes anything else.
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Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 12:18:25 am
McCarthy has been #2 (double entendre intended) in GOP leadership for eight years now. During those eight years, we have seen the House GOP sign off on roughly $15 billion in new debt. And now, his desire to become Speaker supersedes anything else.
Great points! Also, his arrogance led him to move into the Speaker's office before there was a vote.
I'm loving this. There are conservatives in the Pub party who are willing to lay it all on the line to get real change. I want Reps to know what are in bills before they vote on them. I want Reps on the floor proclaiming why they are for or against something. I want committees to actually play a role in the budget and legislative process. I am sick of seeing a small group in a closed room putting together fiscal packages and or legislation nobody has read. I want oversight to actually mean something.
As the votes continue I'm hoping more start supporting Jordan and McCarthy finally gets it and quits.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 12:26:35 am
I found the whole spectacle embarrassing...watching the Dems laughing at each nomination and all chanting Hakeem Hakeem Hakeem....talk about a shit show...I'll say it again..the Repubs had since Nov 8th to pick the Speaker....unbelievable!
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 12:27:34 am
McCarthy has been #2 (double entendre intended) in GOP leadership for eight years now. During those eight years, we have seen the House GOP sign off on roughly $15 billion in new debt. And now, his desire to become Speaker supersedes anything else.
Sums it up. The Swampy RINO faction expects us to get in line, vote for their leadership, don't question election results, go along with their bipartisanship bootlicking, always do what we're told, always step and fetch for party unity.
But when it's going the other direction, they refuse to back down no matter how many times they lose. McCarthy is now a three time loser. He needs to stand aside for the good of the party and support someone who can win.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 12:28:43 am
I have no idea about the National politics, but McCarthy is in a lot more trouble than I thought....
Stupid has consequences....
Quote
McCarthy declared (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11331809/Kevin-McCarthy-hints-GOP-wont-impeach-Biden-officials-Dems-used-political-purposes.html) that Americans don’t “like impeachment used for political purposes at all,” and added that “the country wants to heal” and see a “system that actually works.” That means there will be no impeachment proceedings against Biden, or Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary and former Disinformation Governance Board supreme overlord Alejandro Mayorkas, or Gestapo chief Merrick Garland.
I found the whole spectacle embarrassing...watching the Dems laughing at each nomination and all chanting Hakeem Hakeem Hakeem....talk about a shit show...I'll say it again..the Repubs had since Nov 8th to pick the Speaker....unbelievable!
Knocking down the entrenched uniparty was never going to be easy. They destroyed the Tea Party and have tried to destroy the MAGA Pubs, but the MAGA Pubs are fighting back. I really don't care if people are laughing at the public spectacle it's long past time that the uniparty learns conservatives will fight back.
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Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 01:44:50 am
Knocking down the entrenched uniparty was never going to be easy. They destroyed the Tea Party and have tried to destroy the MAGA Pubs, but the MAGA Pubs are fighting back. I really don't care if people are laughing at the public spectacle it's long past time that the uniparty learns conservatives will fight back.
So true.
Electing McCarthy just continues GOP's cow-towing to their dim masters.
We need someone to fight back.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 01:50:13 am
Knocking down the entrenched uniparty was never going to be easy. They destroyed the Tea Party and have tried to destroy the MAGA Pubs, but the MAGA Pubs are fighting back. I really don't care if people are laughing at the public spectacle it's long past time that the uniparty learns conservatives will fight back.
I'm all for fighting back..I just want to know why this wasn't settled before now.
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Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 01:51:27 am
Now McCarthy is damaged goods. It's clear he doesn't have the clout to keep the Pub conference in line on big things. Hopefully tomorrow he will step aside and throw his support to Jim Jordan. It's not hard to see that those that were threatened are not going to turn around and trust him now.
It won't be Jordan. It won't be to the right wing... Though I wish it were so.
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Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 01:57:34 am
I found the whole spectacle embarrassing...watching the Dems laughing at each nomination and all chanting Hakeem Hakeem Hakeem....talk about a shit show...I'll say it again..the Repubs had since Nov 8th to pick the Speaker....unbelievable!
Don't let the theater of it all undermine what happened here today. This resounded through the halls of power and got them shaking worse than anything else that has happened in decades. This was the fat finger of rebellion raised against them. With purpose.
I love what happened here today.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 01:59:26 am
I'm all for fighting back..I just want to know why this wasn't settled before now.
It couldn't be. The arrogance of the Establishment wouldn't allow it. McCarthy et al expected every House member to fall in line if they knew what is good for them since he held the key to all committee assignments not to mention all those free Lincoln Center tickets.
The only way to fight this out is here and now. It doesn't matter one bit how this looks. What matters is that 'business as usual' ends now. Democrats can laugh all they want through all this, but what they are counting on is another John Boehner or Paul Ryan. And they know they have that in Kevin McCarthy. If McCarthy, Scalise, and company are pushed aside, you won't see Democrats laughing for the next two years.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 02:00:03 am
Don't let the theater of it all undermine what happened here today. This resounded through the halls of power and got them shaking worse than anything else that has happened in decades. This was the fat finger of rebellion raised against them. With purpose.
I love what happened here today.
Agree 100%.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 02:00:15 am
Kevin McCarthy is too weak, too disrepected, and feared too little to be Speaker ... he's not smart enough nor tough enough to lead.
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Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 02:01:41 am
I'm all for fighting back..I just want to know why this wasn't settled before now.
The old guard, especially McCarthy, figured the upstarts would cave at the last minute just like they would. They never figured the upstarts actually meant what they said.
If this goes on for days at some point the Pubs are going to demand that Jordan be the Speaker. No one questions his integrity and he is a fighter.
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Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 03:08:37 am
It won't be Jordan. It won't be to the right wing... Though I wish it were so.
As time goes by the strength of the rebels will grow. They are on the right side of this. A majority of Americans know the USA is on the wrong track and things won't change without a change in how things are done. Jordan has the respect of all the conference. The conservatives have made it clear to the liberal Pubs they will not settle for the same old way of doing things and there is no one on the left in the party that is highly respected.
Let the liberals in the party compromise.
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Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 03:24:31 am
McCarthy has already moved into the Speakers offices.
Tell me, genius, who are you throwing out McCarthy for? Or haven't you thought that far ahead?
Anyone who leads as a Conservative. Or basically, anyone who is willing to stand up against the Democrats by refusing to fund their excesses. I have already given you several names.
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 03:26:51 am
As time goes by the strength of the rebels will grow. They are on the right side of this. A majority of Americans know the USA is on the wrong track and things won't change without a change in how things are done. Jordan has the respect of all the conference. The conservatives have made it clear to the liberal Pubs they will not settle for the same old way of doing things and there is no one on the left in the party that is highly respected.
Let the liberals in the party compromise.
That's all right... But likely there ain't enough poop to make that happen. *Just* deposing the 'king' is a monumental sea change, if they get that done. Doesn't even matter who ascends. But even that is asking a lot... If they do no more at this point than getting real concessions, it's still a grand and super-worthy win...
But it looks to me that they will try to depose him. And that is saying some... I don't think they have enough weight to have the right ascend, but they could pick something better - Scalise is my bet right now... And that is an extraordinary movement.
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Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 05:10:33 am
McCarthy's hubris. He pulled the "Who else ya gonna vote for" string just a bit too often.
What are you talking about here?
McCarthy won the Republican nomination for Speaker with 86% of the vote @Cyber Liberty No other viable candidate has been put forward in the seven weeks since he won.
What would you think in his shoes?
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 01:44:40 pm
Lauren Boebert Says McCarthy ‘Smugly Rejected’ Key Proposal That Would’ve Gotten Him 218 Votes
Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado said Tuesday that Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California “smugly rejected” a “common sense” proposal that would have secured him the speakership on the first ballot.
“I have been working for months behind the scenes to create unity,” Boebert told “Special Report” host Bret Baier. “Just last night two colleagues and myself walked into Kevin McCarthy’s office and presented him a very common sense proposal, a deal that got him 218 votes, the gavel on the first ballot and he smugly rejected that.”
Lauren Boebert Says McCarthy ‘Smugly Rejected’ Key Proposal That Would’ve Gotten Him 218 Votes
Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado said Tuesday that Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California “smugly rejected” a “common sense” proposal that would have secured him the speakership on the first ballot.
“I have been working for months behind the scenes to create unity,” Boebert told “Special Report” host Bret Baier. “Just last night two colleagues and myself walked into Kevin McCarthy’s office and presented him a very common sense proposal, a deal that got him 218 votes, the gavel on the first ballot and he smugly rejected that.”
Three things became painfully apparently clear yesterday....
* McCarthy is so pathologically arrogant, he moved into the Speakers office prematurely. If he has to move out, it will be a collosial embarassment. * His RINO stripes are flashing like a neon sign now, as it is truly evident he rather negotiate with his dimocratic buddies than conservatives. I have posted the Freedom Caucus' list of 3 concessions at least 5 times yesterday. I challenge any Briefer here to tell me which or any of those 3 that weren't reasonable or acceptable. * He is a hell of a lot dumber than we thought. Yesterday's debacle was avoidable, and incredibly embarrassing. I don't see how he could govern as Speaker with any respect or authority. Tough to lead when both parties are laughing at you.
If McCarthy has any political savy at all, last night he should have gotten the 20 Rebels, and Scalise, and Jordon as facilitators into a room with a white board, and worked this shit out. I just don't think he's smart enough........
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 02:37:06 pm
Gaetz sends letter to Architect of the Capitol asking why McCarthy is occupying Speaker’s office by Julia Shapero - 01/03/23 11:23 PM ET Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) sent a letter to the Architect of the Capitol on Tuesday questioning why House Speaker candidate Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was already inhabiting the Speaker’s office amid an intraparty battle over the House’s top leadership position.
“I write to inform you that the Speaker of the House Office located in the U.S. Capitol Building is currently occupied by Rep. Kevin McCarthy,” Gaetz said in the letter.
“As of this morning, the 117th Congress adjourned sine die, and a Speaker from the 118th Congress has not been elected,” he continued. “After three undeciding votes, no member can lay claim to this office.”
McCarthy failed to secure a majority for his Speakership bid in three consecutive votes on Tuesday, leading Republican leaders to adjourn for the day. A group of 19 GOP lawmakers, including Gaetz, consistently opposed McCarthy on all three rounds, with Rep.-elect Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) joining the anti-McCarthy group in the final vote of the day.
McCarthy on Tuesday criticized Gaetz for reportedly saying he did not care if House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) was elected in place of McCarthy as a result of the group’s tactics.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3797668-gaetz-sends-letter-to-architect-of-the-capitol-asking-why-mccarthy-is-occupying-speakers-office/
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 02:51:59 pm
Lauren Boebert Says McCarthy ‘Smugly Rejected’ Key Proposal That Would’ve Gotten Him 218 Votes
Harold Hutchison Reporter January 03, 2023 7:41 PM ET Font Size:
Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado said Tuesday that Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California “smugly rejected” a “common sense” proposal that would have secured him the speakership on the first ballot.
“I have been working for months behind the scenes to create unity,” Boebert told “Special Report” host Bret Baier. “Just last night two colleagues and myself walked into Kevin McCarthy’s office and presented him a very common sense proposal, a deal that got him 218 votes, the gavel on the first ballot and he smugly rejected that.”
McCarthy failed to garner the 218 votes needed to become speaker in three ballots Tuesday, receiving 203 votes in the first two ballots, before Republican Rep. Byron Donalds of Florida switched his vote to Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio on the third ballot, leaving the California Republican with 202. Democratic Rep. Hakeem Jeffries of New York secured 212 votes from Democrats in all three ballots.
more https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/03/lauren-boebert-kevin-mccarthy-speaker/
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 03:03:32 pm
Gaetz sends letter to Architect of the Capitol asking why McCarthy is occupying Speaker’s office by Julia Shapero - 01/03/23 11:23 PM ET
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) sent a letter to the Architect of the Capitol on Tuesday questioning why House Speaker candidate Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was already inhabiting the Speaker’s office amid an intraparty battle over the House’s top leadership position.
“I write to inform you that the Speaker of the House Office located in the U.S. Capitol Building is currently occupied by Rep. Kevin McCarthy,” Gaetz said in the letter.
“As of this morning, the 117th Congress adjourned sine die, and a Speaker from the 118th Congress has not been elected,” he continued. “After three undeciding votes, no member can lay claim to this office.”
McCarthy failed to secure a majority for his Speakership bid in three consecutive votes on Tuesday, leading Republican leaders to adjourn for the day. A group of 19 GOP lawmakers, including Gaetz, consistently opposed McCarthy on all three rounds, with Rep.-elect Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) joining the anti-McCarthy group in the final vote of the day.
McCarthy on Tuesday criticized Gaetz for reportedly saying he did not care if House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) was elected in place of McCarthy as a result of the group’s tactics.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3797668-gaetz-sends-letter-to-architect-of-the-capitol-asking-why-mccarthy-is-occupying-speakers-office/
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 03:37:06 pm
That's all right... But likely there ain't enough poop to make that happen. *Just* deposing the 'king' is a monumental sea change, if they get that done. Doesn't even matter who ascends. But even that is asking a lot... If they do no more at this point than getting real concessions, it's still a grand and super-worthy win...
But it looks to me that they will try to depose him. And that is saying some... I don't think they have enough weight to have the right ascend, but they could pick something better - Scalise is my bet right now... And that is an extraordinary movement.
Amen!
One thought about the Speakership and McCarthy, hasn't he shown himself to be unsuited to the job because he couldn't reconcile the different groups within the party before the first vote?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 03:39:14 pm
One thought about the Speakership and McCarthy, hasn't he shown himself to be unsuited to the job because he couldn't reconcile the different groups within the party before the first vote?
His own arrogance cost him. Agreeing to a few simple reasonable conservative concession would have had him a 1st ballot winner.
This shit storm is all on him.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 03:39:55 pm
McCarthy won the Republican nomination for Speaker with 86% of the vote @Cyber LibertyNo other viable candidate has been put forward in the seven weeks since he won.
What would you think in his shoes?
So McCarthy had 7 weeks to bring all the Pub members together and he couldn't do it. It sure doesn't speak well of his ability to lead, unless of course the Speakership position is that of a tyrant.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 03:42:14 pm
One thought about the Speakership and McCarthy, hasn't he shown himself to be unsuited to the job because he couldn't reconcile the different groups within the party before the first vote?
Seems likely... he threw it away over 4 concessions the Conservatives asked for - a flat no, with an expectation that they kiss the ring...
Looks like that was a bad move.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 03:42:51 pm
So McCarthy had 7 weeks to bring all the Pub members together and he couldn't do it. It sure doesn't speak well of his ability to lead, unless of course the Speakership position is that of a tyrant.
Exactly.... A Beacon of Entitlement Arrogance.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 03:49:02 pm
His own arrogance cost him. Agreeing to a few simple reasonable conservative concession would have had him a 1st ballot winner.
This shit storm is all on him.
I'm with you. What I'm seeing in this floor fight over the Speakership is the arrogance of the establishment (uniparty) Pubs. They have taken the position that MAGA Pubs just need to sit down and shut up, or they won't get any committee assignments. If McCarthy was capable he would have worked out all the issues before the vote. The MAGA Pubs have to hang in there over time things will swing their way. They may not get everything they want but they wouldn't get anything without this fight.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 03:51:11 pm
Seems likely... he threw it away over 4 concessions the Conservatives asked for - a flat no, with an expectation that they kiss the ring...
Looks like that was a bad move.
And the more this gets publicized the more public sentiment will fall behind the MAGA Pubs. The concessions are not unreasonable and would be good for the USA.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 03:55:27 pm
Rep. Jordan: 'No' chance I become speaker Situation Room Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) tells CNN's Manu Raju there is 'no' chance he'll become Speaker of the House after being nominated for the position up against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).
And the more this gets publicized the more public sentiment will fall behind the MAGA Pubs. The concessions are not unreasonable and would be good for the USA.
Considering Trump himself is backing the Swamp critter McCarthy, I almost would divorce from the term MAGA anymore. Kind of hard to decouple the 2.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 04:03:48 pm
McCarthy won the Republican nomination for Speaker with 86% of the vote @Cyber Liberty No other viable candidate has been put forward in the seven weeks since he won.
What would you think in his shoes?
I'd think "Those stupid knuckledraggers have nobody else to vote for. Now get my lobbyists on the phone."
What did you think I'd say?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 04:05:48 pm
Considering Trump himself is backing the Swamp critter McCarthy, I almost would divorce from the term MAGA anymore.
You mean MEGA, right?
Making the Establishment Great Again
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 04:06:22 pm
Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) revealed to CNN on Wednesday that preliminary talks are “underway” to potentially pick a “consensus candidate” should Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) be unable to secure enough votes to become Speaker of the House.
McCarthy failed to reach the needed threshold to be elected to the position three times on Tuesday, with more than a dozen Republican lawmakers refusing to concede and support him. CNN’s Jim Sciutto asked Bacon on Wednesday, ahead of even more voting, about the lawmaker’s suggestion that Republicans may need to work with Democrats to get this Speaker vote done.
Bacon revealed there are talks underway for a “consensus candidate,” but he insisted he is still supporting McCarthy and will do so until the Republican takes his name out of the race...
...Bacon also suggested McCarthy himself negotiate with Democrats on committee ratios and office space to possibly get some Democratic votes or for Democrats to simply vote present to lower McCarthy’s threshold.
Sciutto asked if Republicans working with Democrats in such a way is “defying Republican voters,” but Bacon declared, “we have to be Americans first.”
Considering Trump himself is backing the Swamp critter McCarthy, I almost would divorce from the term MAGA anymore. Kind of hard to decouple the 2.
You're right, but Trump is wrong on this one. Trump has mixed results on who he backs. He's had some great picks, but he has also had a fair number of lousy picks.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 04:08:12 pm
Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) revealed to CNN on Wednesday that preliminary talks are “underway” to potentially pick a “consensus candidate” should Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) be unable to secure enough votes to become Speaker of the House.
Preliminary? They should have already been talking about this four years ago.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: bilo on January 04, 2023, 04:10:23 pm
Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) revealed to CNN on Wednesday that preliminary talks are “underway” to potentially pick a “consensus candidate” should Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) be unable to secure enough votes to become Speaker of the House.
McCarthy failed to reach the needed threshold to be elected to the position three times on Tuesday, with more than a dozen Republican lawmakers refusing to concede and support him. CNN’s Jim Sciutto asked Bacon on Wednesday, ahead of even more voting, about the lawmaker’s suggestion that Republicans may need to work with Democrats to get this Speaker vote done.
Bacon revealed there are talks underway for a “consensus candidate,” but he insisted he is still supporting McCarthy and will do so until the Republican takes his name out of the race...
...Bacon also suggested McCarthy himself negotiate with Democrats on committee ratios and office space to possibly get some Democratic votes or for Democrats to simply vote present to lower McCarthy’s threshold.
Sciutto asked if Republicans working with Democrats in such a way is “defying Republican voters,” but Bacon declared, “we have to be Americans first.”
And this is the uniparty coming out into the light of the day.
Buh buh, we gotta be smooooooth, gotta keep the bus rolling, we don't want to be 'embarrassed', can't have anything that makes the primping, preening pageant queens look bad, this is taking too long and it's just too darn hard.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 04:15:43 pm
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And this is the uniparty coming out into the light of the day.
I'm speechless.... 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 04:18:24 pm
And this is the uniparty coming out into the light of the day.
Exactly!!!! Can't keep it a secret any longer.
My hat's off to the courage of the 20 who know this might be the nation's last line of defense against Biden's destruction.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 04:32:43 pm
(Looks at clock.)
Shit's on again in a half hour....
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 04:36:03 pm
Support what 100%?
Sure, they appoint judges to appease socially conservative culture war donors, but what else do they to advance an America First agenda?
Congressional GOP leadership is about nothing other than obtaining and consolidating more power for themselves and their donors.
They will not do anything to constrain spending or to shrink government, and they duplicitly vote 'no' on over-spending bills that they hope will pass.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 04:42:58 pm
Just tried contacting my new Congressman.
"Website incurred an unexpected error"
Go figure.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 04:44:37 pm
If stupidity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results, that makes Kevin McCarthy stupid.
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Let the rank-and-file GOP House Members conduct a series of gladatorial fights to the death, behind closed doors, to select a new House Speaker.
I think that was last night.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 04, 2023, 04:56:22 pm
C-SPAN (no commercials) link to today's proceedings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmIFkKicabc
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 04:58:09 pm
I have a few errands....be back asap
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 05:01:08 pm
AOC muses 'unprecedented' coalition government could break GOP stalemate
Progressive star Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) dangled the prospects of a "coalition government" breaking the GOP standstill in the House.
Without committing to backing a coalition, Ocasio-Cortez suggested that Kevin McCarthy, who is aspiring to be speaker, may be forced to negotiate with Democrats and pondered whether her party could claim Democratic chairs of committees in that hypothetical.
"I do not believe that Kevin McCarthy has the votes. I believe that a lot of the opposition to him is very personal. I believe his leadership style is incompatible with a lot of Republican members and certainly the Democratic Caucus," Ocasio-Cortez contended on MSNBC Tuesday.
Ocasio-Cortez underscored that she is "not saying necessarily that our party is signaling an openness just yet" but contended that "this is very much an unprecedented time."
There is a quorum present, but only 351 members registered.
Looks like the shady shenanigans have started.
Yep....
Looks like McCarthy is resorting to dim tactics.... Can win within the guidelines, change the parameters.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 05:25:36 pm
I had to mute the speechifying. Everyone knows the score, let's just get to the vote already. Geesh...
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 04, 2023, 05:26:20 pm
Interesting. Chip Roy nominates Byron Donalds, and notes this is the first time there have been 2 black men nominated for Speaker, and then quotes Martin Luther King about content of character.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 05:34:30 pm
4 for Donalds so far. Has anyone heard what is needed to win the Speaker?
Add: Nevermind, all I had to do was the math. ****slapping
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: corbe on January 04, 2023, 05:36:37 pm
5 votes for Donalds means McCarthy won't get the vote in Round 4.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 05:41:53 pm
5 votes for Donalds means McCarthy won't get the vote in Round 4.
If I understand it correctly - someone correct me if there's a wrinkle - with a 351 quorum McCarthy only needs 171 to win. With 202 in support from the last vote he should have it.
But now he owes the Rats for giving it to him, so he'd be compromised out of the gate. Not that he's probably going to care...
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 05:45:38 pm
If I understand it correctly - someone correct me if there's a wrinkle - with a 351 quorum McCarthy only needs 171 to win. With 202 in support from the last vote he should have it.
But now he owes the Rats for giving it to him, so he'd be compromised out of the gate. Not that he's probably going to care...
C-Span has plastered on its screen McCarthy doesn't have the votes. Not sure if the 351 registration was correct. I sure don't see 80 empty seats.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 05:46:19 pm
If I understand it correctly - someone correct me if there's a wrinkle - with a 351 quorum McCarthy only needs 171 to win. With 202 in support from the last vote he should have it.
But now he owes the Rats for giving it to him, so he'd be compromised out of the gate. Not that he's probably going to care...
I'm pretty sure it takes 218 votes to be elected speaker but not certain of current house rules.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 05:50:56 pm
Sec. 3 . Election
Speaker Chosen from Members
Article I, section 2 of the Constitution directs that the House choose its Speaker and other officers. The Speaker is the only House officer who traditionally has been chosen from the sitting membership of the House. Manual Sec. 26. The Constitution does not limit his selection from among that class, but the practice has been followed invariably. The Speaker's term of office thus expires at the end of his term of office as a Member, whereas the other House officers continue in office ``until their successors are chosen and qualified.'' Rule II clause 1; 1 Hinds Sec. 187.
Nomination and Vote
The general practice for election of Speaker begins with nominations from each party caucus followed by a viva voce vote of the Members-elect. Relying on the Act of June 1, 1789, the Clerk recognized for nominations for Speaker as being of higher constitutional privilege than a resolution to postpone the election of a Speaker and instead provide for the election of
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a Speaker pro tempore pending the disposition of certain ethics charges against the nominee of the majority party. 2 USC Sec. 25; Manual Sec. 27. Under the modern practice, the Speaker is elected by a majority of Members-elect voting by surname, a quorum being present. Manual Sec. 27; 1 Hinds Sec. 216; 6 Cannon Sec. 24. The Clerk appoints tellers for this election. However, the House, and not the Clerk, decides by what method it shall elect. 1 Hinds Sec. 210. For former practices relating to the election of the Speaker, see Manual Sec. 27; 1 Hinds Sec. Sec. 212, 214, 218; 8 Cannon Sec. 3883. In two instances the House agreed to choose and subsequently did choose a Speaker by a plurality of votes but confirmed the choice by majority vote. In 1849 the House had been in session 19 days without being able to elect a Speaker, no candidate having received a majority of the votes cast. The voting was viva voce, each Member responding to the call of the roll by naming the candidate for whom he voted. Finally, after the fifty-ninth ballot, the House adopted a resolution declaring that a Speaker could be elected by a plurality. 1 Hinds Sec. 221. In 1856 the House again struggled over the election of a Speaker. Ballots numbering 129 had been taken without any candidate receiving a majority of the votes cast. The House then adopted a resolution permitting the election to be decided by a plurality. 1 Hinds Sec. 222. On both of these occasions, the House ratified the plurality election by a majority vote.
I'm pretty sure it takes 218 votes to be elected speaker but not certain of current house rules.
They were saying yesterday that it is a majority of members present, not a majority of members as a whole.
Unless a deal has already been cut between McCarthy and the Dems, the Democrats would not yield an opportunity to steal the Speaker's seat. If 80 members are missing, and those 80 members happen to be Republicans, the Dems would take it. They're not sticking around just to block McCarthy.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Kamaji on January 04, 2023, 05:52:40 pm
I'm pretty sure it takes 218 votes to be elected speaker but not certain of current house rules.
I believe that all that is required is a majority of those present and voting. Source: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-speaker-election-explained/42379373
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 05:56:26 pm
Brief intermission with a picture of a cute dog for @mystery-ak:
I believe that all that is required is a majority of those present and voting. Source: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-speaker-election-explained/42379373
I posted the current house rules above @Kamaji with a link. A majority of members-elect is 218 by my reckoning.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 05:58:32 pm
I posted the current house rules above @Kamaji with a link. A majority of members-elect is 218 by my reckoning.
The rules appear to require only that there be a majority of the votes cast; not a majority of all the members-elect (i.e., including those who are not present and/or who do not vote).
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 06:04:12 pm
The rules appear to require only that there be a majority of the votes cast; not a majority of all the members-elect (i.e., including those who are not present and/or who do not vote).
Here is what it says copied directly from the source I cited:
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Under the modern practice, the Speaker is elected by a majority of Members-elect voting by surname, a quorum being present. Manual Sec. 27; 1 Hinds Sec. 216; 6 Cannon Sec. 24. The Clerk appoints tellers for this election. However, the House, and not the Clerk, decides by what method it shall elect. 1 Hinds Sec. 210. For former practices relating to the election of the Speaker, see Manual Sec. 27; 1 Hinds Sec. Sec. 212, 214, 218; 8 Cannon Sec. 3883.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 06:04:18 pm
For those who want to keep tally of vote defection, here are the 20...
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC) Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) Rep. Josh Breechen (R-OK) Rep. Michael Cloud (R-TX) Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-GA) Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ) Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) Rep. Bob Good (R-VA) Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC) Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA) Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) Rep. Keith Self (R-TX)
18/18 so far holding.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 06:06:38 pm
I may have been talking out my butt, we're at the 'P's and only about 300 votes cast. So will find out if it's quorum or total members here pretty quick.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 06:07:44 pm
Obviously, McCarthy took the arrogance route, and didn't conference leadership and "20" for resolution of this dumpster fire.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 06:08:08 pm
For those who want to keep tally of vote defection, here are the 20...
. . . Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-GA) . . .
Wish that guy was my Rep. I am stuck with an Establishment POS who was already tossed out in 2018 for being an Establishment POS, but convinced the POS State GOP to draw him up a new district that was more heavily Republican, just so he could sit on his ass and do nothing for the rest of the decade.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 06:09:43 pm
Gov. Mike Huckabee @GovMikeHuckabee The tiny group of GOP tots having a tantrum over @kevinomccarthy have made their point, but it's time to quit holding the whole country hostage
Holding the whole country hostage? Seriously? What a load of bullshit!
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 06:48:27 pm
And you wind up with Democrats chairing key committees. Is it worth it?
It is a major risk. We'll see of the GOP caucus has the stones to block whatever the Rats do. We may not get the investigations we want, but I doubt we would have gotten them anyway.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 04, 2023, 06:54:58 pm
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 06:56:50 pm
Many Americans don't get to take the weekend off - they have to work to pay all the taxes necessary to support a government that is too big and too generous with other people's money.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 06:58:11 pm
Well, Boebert needs to polish her presentation, but what she said was spot on!
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 06:58:15 pm
It is a major risk. We'll see of the GOP caucus has the stones to block whatever the Rats do. We may not get the investigations we want, but I doubt we would have gotten them anyway.
The Rats damned sure have the stones to block whatever the Republicans do!
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 06:59:07 pm
Many Americans don't get to take the weekend off - they have to work to pay all the taxes necessary to support a government that is too big and too generous with other people's money.
Count me one of those. They will survive. This country needs a little less suburbanite convenience and a little more blue collar butts and elbows. Sometimes achievement of the good isn't the route of smooth sailing.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 07:04:42 pm
If McCarthy's leadership was more effective there would be more Republicans in the House, and he would have the votes to be Speaker.
McCarthy's embarassment is selft-inflicted by the weakness of his leadership.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 07:04:52 pm
That's 5. There will be a 6th ballot.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 07:06:03 pm
Maybe they should blow smoke after each round of votes for speaker. Black smoke, nope. White smoke yup.
I know my wife is giving me hell for not having a life by watching "C-Span"
If McCarthy would just do the honorable thing, this crap could be over this afternoon.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 07:18:58 pm
Matt Gaetz: Trump’s Renewed Endorsement of Kevin McCarthy Is ‘Sad’
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) stated Wednesday in response to former President Donald Trump’s endorsement of Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-FL) for House speaker that the former president’s renewed endorsement of McCarthy was “sad.”
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 07:27:23 pm
Speaker's race: Chip Roy gets standing ovation after noting historic nominations of 2 Black Americans Chip Roy nominates Byron Donalds for House speaker
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 07:29:19 pm
Scuttlebutt has it, that he is brokering a deal with the dim....... (based on traffic on the tw@tter-sphere)
Is this what you mean?
January 4, 2023 8:40am EST AOC floats 'coalition government' after McCarthy fails to win House speaker vote Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggests unlikely resolution to Republican House speaker fight: McCarthy negotiating with Democrats
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 07:34:58 pm
So it appears McCarthy is now losing the 5th ballot.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 07:39:48 pm
I'm not sure if I fully understand, so tell me if I'm wrong. In order for the 20 to stand strong against McCarthy, a certain amount has to keep voting for McCarthy to keep Jeffries from winning. So, saying only 20 are against McCarthy might be entirely wrong. Others might want to vote against him, but can't as long as he is in the running. Is that right?
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 07:41:22 pm
The Bloc held again.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Kamaji on January 04, 2023, 07:43:21 pm
As undisciplined as this exercise might make the republicans look - the fact of the matter is that this is a good demonstration of what actual democracy looks like, not the phony single-party set-pieces the democrats/progs construct.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 07:43:50 pm
I'm not sure if I fully understand, so tell me if I'm wrong. In order for the 20 to stand strong against McCarthy, a certain amount has to keep voting for McCarthy to keep Jeffries from winning. So, saying only 20 are against McCarthy might be entirely wrong. Others might want to vote against him, but can't as long as he is in the running. Is that right?
No. Votes taken from McCarthy have nothing to do with Jeffries, unless Republicans actually vote for Jeffries - he cannot win otherwise. Dems do not have the 218 votes needed.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 07:44:35 pm
I'm not sure if I fully understand, so tell me if I'm wrong. In order for the 20 to stand strong against McCarthy, a certain amount has to keep voting for McCarthy to keep Jeffries from winning. So, saying only 20 are against McCarthy might be entirely wrong. Others might want to vote against him, but can't as long as he is in the running. Is that right?
Not according to my understanding @LilLamb I think it takes 218 votes to elect anyone so as long as no Republicans jump ship and vote for Jefferies there will be no speaker.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Fishrrman on January 04, 2023, 07:45:22 pm
I want to see it go to 40 ballots... 50 ballots... 60 ballots.
If you want to win, that's what it will take.
A quote: “First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then you win.”
- Mahatma Gandhi
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 07:46:32 pm
Watching the faces, everyone's looking pretty pissy right now. Have a feeling things are going to crack and deals made.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 07:49:40 pm
Not according to my understanding @LilLamb I think it takes 218 votes to elect anyone so as long as no Republicans jump ship and vote for Jefferies there will be no speaker.
Thanks. I guess I got confused earlier because I thought the 218 wasn't a set number that it was only the majority present.
Title: Re: House Speaker Vote Live Thread #congress #speaker #house #vote
Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 07:52:52 pm
January 4, 2023 8:40am EST AOC floats 'coalition government' after McCarthy fails to win House speaker vote Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggests unlikely resolution to Republican House speaker fight: McCarthy negotiating with Democrats
That was one, but I saw a few others that didn't name sources. I guess we'll find out by another few ballots.
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Post by: corbe on January 04, 2023, 07:57:56 pm
Historical Fact: anytime the House vote for speaker has gone past 4 votes~No one was elected on Ballots 4-9. Gonna continue painting the outside trim on the house.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 07:59:10 pm
Rep. Andy Biggs Says A House Speaker Should Be Someone Who Doesn’t Want It ‘So Badly’
Republican Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs said Wednesday that the most qualified candidate for House speaker is someone who does not want the position.
Biggs, who challenged McCarthy for the role, took this jab at McCarthy who had been unsuccessful in securing the gavel after four ballots. After losing to the Speaker-designate on the first ballot, the Arizona Republican supported Republican Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan and Byron Donalds of Florida.
“George Washington didn’t want to become President. George Washington didn’t want to attend the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention. He eventually changed his mind on both. Perhaps the best person for House Speaker isn’t someone who wants it so badly,” Biggs said.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 08:00:47 pm
'You don't have the votes': Lauren Boebert says Trump should tell McCarthy to drop out of speaker race
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) called on former President Donald Trump to tell Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to drop out of the race for speaker of the House as the election enters the fifth round of voting.
Boebert and her 19 conservative GOP allies are rallying around Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) and blocking McCarthy from claiming the gavel. Though McCarthy has said he won't back down from the job he's chased for a decade, his staunch opposition isn't budging either.
"Let's stop with the campaign smears and tactics to get people to turn against us. Even having my favorite president call us and tell us we need to knock this off," she said, turning to McCarthy. "I think it actually needs to be reversed — the president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy, 'Sir, you do not have the votes, and it's time to withdraw.'
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 08:02:43 pm
So...it appears Ballot 6 is coming up.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:04:10 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 3h The so-called "conservatives" led by @mattgaetz are about to disenfranchise millions of voters -- the majority -- who wanted to remove Democrats from power in the House, because without an alternative candidate, and without McCarthy, there will be a Dem-RINO coalition government.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2023, 08:04:58 pm
Thanks. I guess I got confused earlier because I thought the 218 wasn't a set number that it was only the majority present.
You're correct @LilLamb 218 is the magic number if all members are present and vote for someone. The 218 reduces if the number of members present drops and/or by the number voting "present".
There is also a scenario where McCarthy could get to 213 and prevail in a “most vote wins” scenario.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 08:05:35 pm
Yeeee. Hawwww!!!!......Day 0 of the McCarthy Speakership Trip.....
You're correct @LilLamb 218 is the magic number if all members are present and vote for someone. The 218 reduces if the number of members present drops and/or by the number voting "present".
There is also a scenario where McCarthy could get to 213 and prevail in a “most vote wins” scenario.
That is correct.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:06:26 pm
Rep. Clay Higgins @RepClayHiggins · 32m I suspect, to my horror, that there may well be some Frankenstein coalition created from this impasse, an abhorrent manifestation of House rule that America has never witnessed and the American people have never authorized.
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Post by: roamer_1 on January 04, 2023, 08:06:39 pm
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Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 3h The so-called "conservatives" led by @mattgaetz are about to disenfranchise millions of voters -- the majority -- who wanted to remove Democrats from power in the House, because without an alternative candidate, and without McCarthy, there will be a Dem-RINO coalition government.
McCarthy IS a Dem-RINO coalition.
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Post by: EdinVA on January 04, 2023, 08:07:39 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 3h The so-called "conservatives" led by @mattgaetz are about to disenfranchise millions of voters -- the majority -- who wanted to remove Democrats from power in the House, because without an alternative candidate, and without McCarthy, there will be a Dem-RINO coalition government.
So having mccarthy in as leader is different than a coalition government?
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Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 08:08:20 pm
You're correct @LilLamb 218 is the magic number if all members are present and vote for someone. The 218 reduces if the number of members present drops and/or by the number voting "present".
There is also a scenario where McCarthy could get to 213 and prevail in a “most vote wins” scenario.
That is not my understanding @Right_in_Virginia Please see https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,488466.msg2763050.html#msg2763050
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 08:08:32 pm
Joel Pollak @joelpollak · 3h The so-called "conservatives" led by @mattgaetz are about to disenfranchise millions of voters -- the majority -- who wanted to remove Democrats from power in the House, because without an alternative candidate, and without McCarthy, there will be a Dem-RINO coalition government.
Another swing and a miss by Pollack. Give that man a paper bag.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:13:27 pm
What will McCarthy promise the Dems who vote for him???......committee chairs?
This sounds like AOC's plan...
I think he wants it so bad he's about ready to bite on anything the Rats offer. Yet he couldn't agree to a couple of demands by the conservatives.
And that's the problem in a nutshell and why I hope the Bloc holds together.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:17:45 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 43s Rep. Kat CAMMACK, a close friend to Byron Donalds who is also in Florida delegation, is now nominating McCarthy for speaker
starts off saying it is "groundhog day"
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Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 08:18:14 pm
I already don't like her.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:19:10 pm
Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) @NewDayForNJ · 1h BREAKING— #KevinMcCarthy is now working with Democrats to secure the House Speakership. Maxine Waters is purportedly making back room deals on his behalf.
What exactly is he negotiating away in this process?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2023, 08:19:57 pm
Mark R. Levin @marklevinshow
1. My friend Chip Roy said on the House floor yesterday that we were watching some great debate. Really? I didn’t hear any debate. There were a few very short sporadic statements. No debate. And lots of votes with the same result.
2. And he and the others in that group kept voting for someone who has said he’s not interested in being speaker, who nominated McCarthy, and voted repeatedly for McCarthy. Sorry, brother Chip, that’s hardly some great lesson in representative government.
3. And you guys have no plan. The Democrats and media love it. And we, the people, are not impressed. In fact, I sense a backlash growing. This isn’t about McCarthy. It’s about Biden, open borders, the FBI, and all the rest. And nothing is getting done.
4. Let’s move off the mark now or all you guys might face primary challenges from real constitutional conservatives.
12:04 PM · Jan 4, 2023
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 08:20:08 pm
Here comes Ballot 6....
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 08:20:32 pm
Count me one of those. They will survive. This country needs a little less suburbanite convenience and a little more blue collar butts and elbows. Sometimes achievement of the good isn't the route of smooth sailing.
Jefferson went as far to ask:
"What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 08:21:30 pm
Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) @NewDayForNJ · 1h BREAKING— #KevinMcCarthy is now working with Democrats to secure the House Speakership. Maxine Waters is purportedly making back room deals on his behalf.
What exactly is he negotiating away in this process?
Attaboy Kev... Dealing with Mad Max rather than Chip Roy.
Uni-party rules baby!!!!!
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 08:21:33 pm
I just laugh at these Reps who don't think Kevs will pull the football once he gets what he wants. But go ahead and keep beating your chest with pride for a pyrrhic victory.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2023, 08:22:04 pm
Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) @NewDayForNJ · 1h BREAKING— #KevinMcCarthy is now working with Democrats to secure the House Speakership. Maxine Waters is purportedly making back room deals on his behalf.
What exactly is he negotiating away in this process?
Nothing he has not already given them.
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Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2023, 08:22:23 pm
Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) @NewDayForNJ · 1h BREAKING— #KevinMcCarthy is now working with Democrats to secure the House Speakership. Maxine Waters is purportedly making back room deals on his behalf.
What exactly is he negotiating away in this process?
Committee chairmanships for Democrats would be my guess based on hard experience down here in Texas.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:23:27 pm
Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto · 10m BREAKING REPORT: Lauren Boebert tells Trump to CALL KEVIN MCCARTHY and tell him it's 'time to WITHDRAW'...
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 08:24:01 pm
Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto · 10m BREAKING REPORT: Lauren Boebert tells Trump to CALL KEVIN MCCARTHY and tell him it's 'time to WITHDRAW'...
That's gonna leave a mark.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 08:25:21 pm
The American People have not voted for Kevin McCarthy.
Only a few thousand people in California voted for McCarthy.
Republicans don't want to unify around weakness and appeasement.
The House Floor is where Ameircans' Reps fight it out.
The GOP and Dem House Leadership do not want the People to be represented nor heard.
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Post by: LilLamb on January 04, 2023, 08:25:24 pm
What did she just say?
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:26:04 pm
Mayra Flores @MayraFlores2022 · 21h Until the speaker is elected:
➡️The house committees can't form.
➡️Members can not be sworn in to start the new session.
➡️The rest of the business is stalled out.
➡️America loses.
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Post by: Kamaji on January 04, 2023, 08:26:11 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/76cqln.jpg)
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:26:56 pm
Olivia Beavers @Olivia_Beavers · 1h BOEBERT just raised TRUMP CALLS, saying: Even having my "favorite president" call us and tell us that you need to "knock this off." She says it needs to be in the reverse and have him tell McCarthy you "do not have the votes, and it's time to withdraw."
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 08:28:55 pm
Business profile picture New York Daily News @NYDailyNews · 1h AOC opens door to potential deal with Republicans on compromise speaker candidate.
“I mean, hey, if we could get some chairs,” as she floated the prospect of Democrats being given control of some House committees in exchange for backing a GOP speaker. https://trib.al/BTpLvaT
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Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 08:30:27 pm
So, saying only 20 are against McCarthy might be entirely wrong. Others might want to vote against him, but can't as long as he is in the running. Is that right?
DING DING DING !!! WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
Although it doesn't have anything to do with opposing the Dems. It's all about perks and power. 200+ GOP Congressmen are hedging their bets. They don't want to be on record as opposing McCarthy because they know there will be severe retribution against them if McCarthy somehow survives. The only hope at this point is that McCarthy backs out and allows an open grass roots election.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2023, 08:30:46 pm
How sweet it would be if Republicans as a whole stood firm like this against Pelosi.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 08:33:17 pm
Rep. Ken Buck says 'at some point' McCarthy needs to step aside in speaker race
Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO), who has voted for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on every ballot in the House speaker election, said the time is approaching for the Republican conference to make a decision on whom to elect.
Buck told CNN on Wednesday afternoon that tensions are running high among GOP lawmakers and that further conflict is brewing as factions may make good on their threats as the election approaches the sixth ballot. Some centrist Republicans have floated the possibility of working with Democrats to appoint a unifying candidate if McCarthy can't win.
Rep. Ken Buck says 'at some point' McCarthy needs to step aside in speaker race
Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO), who has voted for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on every ballot in the House speaker election, said the time is approaching for the Republican conference to make a decision on whom to elect.
Buck told CNN on Wednesday afternoon that tensions are running high among GOP lawmakers and that further conflict is brewing as factions may make good on their threats as the election approaches the sixth ballot. Some centrist Republicans have floated the possibility of working with Democrats to appoint a unifying candidate if McCarthy can't win.
What say you, Gaetz? Don't clam up now, jackass.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 08:47:10 pm
There needs to be a close door session to find a consensus alternative tonight. GOP leadership needs to give Kev some tough love.
Jordon or Scalise, though not my favorite choice seem to be the logical picks.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 08:47:37 pm
For a pack of wild dogs, the leader is usually strong enough to win on the first ballot.
McCarthy had months to do what neeeded to be done.
Political expediency is not an acceptable excuse for avoiding the hard work the American people need to be done.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2023, 08:48:31 pm
For a pack of wild dogs, the leader is usually strong enough to win on the first ballot.
McCarthy had months to do what neeeded to be done.
Political expediency is not an acceptable excuse for avoiding the hard work the American people need to be done.
And picture the humiliation of having to vacate the Speaker's office. Kev's not going down without at worst making a deal with satan (the Democratic Party)
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 08:50:17 pm
Time spent picking a Speaker is time spent not voting on "frameworks" for more spending and for more open borders.
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Post by: catfish1957 on January 04, 2023, 08:51:25 pm
And picture the humiliation of having to vacate the Speaker's office. Kev's not going down without at worst making a deal with satan (the Democratic Party)
If he turns the committees over to the Dems, then we are back to Jan 1 2022 right out of the gate. Nothing good will happen. The intentional destruction of America as a Nation will simply continue, with no pause.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 08:54:10 pm
Has Kevin McCarthy ceded the Sudetenland, yet, to get more votes for Speaker?
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 08:55:35 pm
You really think having a budget is going to block Congress from spending more money it doesn't have?
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 09:10:38 pm
‘This Is Insulting!’ Ex-Trump Spox Blasts ‘White’ Republicans For ‘Using Black Republicans As Shields’ After Byron Donalds Nom
Katrina Pierson, once a longtime spokesperson for former President Donald Trump, ripped Republicans after they nominated Florida Congressman Byron Donalds to be speaker of the House, taking away one more vote from Rep. Kevin McCarthy.
The big political story this week is McCarthy’s tumultuous bid to become speaker amid a revolt from House conservatives, a story which has culminated so far with five votes in which outgoing House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy failed to secure a win.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 09:12:05 pm
Spartz calls for ‘productive conversation’ after withdrawing McCarthy support for speaker
Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-IN), a past McCarthy supporter, voted "present" on the fourth and fifth ballot to elect the next speaker of the House in an effort to allow for more negotiations within the conference to address the concerns of 20 Republicans who voted against Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) bid.
“My concern right now is that Republicans haven't come together yet. So we have to go back to the conference room and deliberate, as divided as a group of people, and figure it out,” Spartz said to reporters as she walked off the House floor. “How we can get people’s concerns addressed, how we can make sure that people, you know, who are unhappy with one thing and have a productive conversation.”
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 09:12:43 pm
The current process is to spend money they don't have ("spending frameworks"), ask for a higher credit limit ("debt ceiling") to borrow money ("US Treasury Bonds / Federal Debt") necessary to pay for things purchased in previous years.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 09:13:59 pm
At the T's and at 20 votes for Mr. Donalds.
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Post by: DB on January 04, 2023, 09:14:50 pm
The current process is to spend money they don't have ("spending frameworks"), ask for a higher credit limit ("debt ceiling") to borrow money ("US Treasury Bonds / Federal Debt") necessary to pay for things purchased in previous years.
They've been skipping the US Treasury bond step and just creating money out of thin air.
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Post by: corbe on January 04, 2023, 09:16:07 pm
‘This Is Insulting!’ Ex-Trump Spox Blasts ‘White’ Republicans For ‘Using Black Republicans As Shields’ After Byron Donalds Nom
I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
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Post by: Kamaji on January 04, 2023, 09:20:08 pm
‘This Is Insulting!’ Ex-Trump Spox Blasts ‘White’ Republicans For ‘Using Black Republicans As Shields’ After Byron Donalds Nom
Katrina Pierson, once a longtime spokesperson for former President Donald Trump, ripped Republicans after they nominated Florida Congressman Byron Donalds to be speaker of the House, taking away one more vote from Rep. Kevin McCarthy.
The big political story this week is McCarthy’s tumultuous bid to become speaker amid a revolt from House conservatives, a story which has culminated so far with five votes in which outgoing House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy failed to secure a win.
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Post by: Wingnut on January 04, 2023, 09:37:47 pm
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In an unexpected turn of events, congressional Republicans saw their approval ratings soar to an all-time high after bringing Congress to a grinding halt while the battle to determine the Speaker of the House dragged on.
-The Bee
it is funny because it is true!
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2023, 09:47:12 pm
There's nothing like an old-fashioned power struggle to make Natural Selection work its magic.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2023, 09:53:37 pm
2nd Live Thread: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,488560.0.html