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A MASS MURDERER MADE IN HOLLYWOOD: Spoiled, Rejected Son of Hunger Games Assistant Director Murders Six In BMW Drive-By Shooting Before Committing Suicide
Posted by Bob Owens on May 24, 2014 at 10:10 am
Bearing Arms.com (http://bearingarms.com/mass-murderer-made-hollywood-spoiled-rejected-son-hunger-games-assistant-director-murders-six-bmw-drive-shooting-committing-suicide/)
The 22-year-old son of a Hollywood assistant director who considered himself to be “the perfect guy,” committed a mass murder last night near The University of California in Santa Barbara (UCSB) before apparently committing suicide after shootouts with police.
Investigators believe a 22-year-old named Elliot Rodger driving a black BMW acted alone in the shootings late Friday night near the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown confirmed at a news conference early Saturday that that [sic] seven people were killed, including the gunman, and seven wounded.
Brown said the suspect exchanged gunfire with deputies and then drove off and crashed into a parked car.
‘We have obtained and are currently analyzing both written and videotaped evidence that suggests this atrocity was a premeditated mass murder,’ Brown said.
Rodger is thought to be the son of Peter Rodger, assistant director of the Hollywood film franchise The Hunger Games.
Roger apparently committed the mass murder because women constantly rejected his advances.
‘College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it,’ he says in the video, which runs to almost seven minutes.
He repeatedly promises to ‘punish’ women and lays out his plan for ‘retribution.’
‘I’m going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoilt, stuck-up, blonde s**t that I see inside there. All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them,’ he says.
Curiously, American media outlets like the Chicago Tribune, NPR, CNN, and NBC LA have refused to name the suspect, even though he posted his rant justifying the mass murder before it took place on social media video sites YouTube and Liveleak.
This is incredibly bizarre behavior by a mainstream media that is very quick to speculate on the identity of suspects in high-profile crimes with even the flimsiest of evidence (for example, slandering Olympic Park hero Richard Jewell as the suspect in Eric Robert Rudolph’s 1996 Summer Olympics bombing, and claiming that the Sandy Hook shooting was carried out by Adam Lanza’s brother). Here, they seem to have circled the proverbial wagons around this son of Hollywood royalty in a protective measure.
Likewise, the Facebook pages and Twitter feeds of Michael Bloomberg-funded citizen control cult Moms Demand Action/Everytown for Gun Safety and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) remain mute on the killings, when such crimes are generally exploited immediately for public relations purposes by these groups.
Why?
I hate being cynical, but it appears that the gun control groups and the mainstream media are more interested in protecting the image of their progressive Hollywood allies than they are telling the story of what happened last night.
As George Orwell noted, “Some animal are better than others.”
As a general rule of thumb we don’t like giving mass murderers the publicity they desire, but in this particular instance, it is instructive to point out the sort of spoiled entitlement mindset that this young man used to justify his attack.
Be forewarned: the video is very disturbing, as Roger mimics what he seems to think a Hollywood villain should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbv5Vpa-B-0&feature=player_embedded
You made your monster, Hollywood.
No wonder your allies seem invested in covering it up to minimize the damage.
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AP story at Yahoo news (http://news.yahoo.com/7-dead-drive-shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-103951856.html):
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A drive-by shooter went on a rampage near a Santa Barbara university campus that left seven people dead, including the attacker, and seven others wounded, authorities said Saturday.
The gunman got into two gun battles with deputies during Friday night's rampage in the beachside community of Isla Vista before crashing his black BMW into a parked car, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said.
Deputies found him dead with a gunshot wound to the head, but it wasn't immediately clear whether he was killed by gunfire or if he committed suicide, he said.
A semi-automatic handgun was recovered from the scene near the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Investigators know the gunman's name, but Brown said he couldn't release it pending notification of relatives.
"We're analyzing both written and videotaped evidence that suggests that this atrocity was a premeditated mass murder," Brown said.
The rampage broke out around 9:30 p.m. in the student enclave reputed for parties, including an annual spring bash that turned into a violent blowout last month. Brown said the shootings occurred at several sites, resulting in nine crime scenes.
A student told KEYT-TV he saw shots fired from a BMW, fatally striking one woman and critically injuring another woman.
"I heard shots, scream, pain," Michael Vitak said. "All emotions. I hope she is going to be fine."
A visibly shaken student told the station she was approached by the driver of a black BMW who flashed a handgun and asked "Hey, what's up?" The student, who didn't provide her full name, said thought he was carrying an airsoft gun and kept walking. She said seconds later, she felt something buzz by her head and quickly realized they were bullets.
The victims' identities were not immediately released. Brown said the injured were being treated for gunshot wounds and traumatic injuries, including at least one person who underwent surgery for life-threatening injuries.
Isla Vista, a roughly half-square mile community next to UC Santa Barbara's campus and picturesque beachside cliffs, is home to 23,000 people. The area has a reputation for excessive partying. Last month, an annual spring bash spiraled into violence as young people clashed with police and tossed rocks and bottles. A university police officer and four deputies were injured and 130 people were arrested.
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CNN story (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/)
7 dead in California shooting rampage called 'premeditated mass murder'
By Joe Sterling, Joe Sutton and Ray Sanchez, CNN
May 24, 2014 -- Updated 1452 GMT (2252 HKT)
(CNN) -- Seven people, including a suspected shooter, died when a man opened fire from a slow-moving car Friday night in a small Southern California college town, a rampage that authorities believe to be "premeditated mass murder," Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies said Saturday.
The shootings occurred in Isla Vista near the University of California-Santa Barbara. Seven people also were being treated in a hospital for gunshot wounds or traumatic injuries, including at least one who was in surgery, said sheriff's office spokeswoman Kelly Hoover.
"The sheriff's office has obtained and is currently analyzing written and video evidence that suggests this was a premeditated mass murder," Hoover said.
Hoover apparently was referring to a YouTube video titled "Retribution" posted by a young man, CNN affiliate KEYT-TV reported. In the nearly seven-minute video, the young man rants about women who ignored or rejected him over the past eight years and warns that he will "punish you all for it."
The violence began and ended within minutes, from 9:27 p.m. when shots were reported to around 10 minutes later when police discovered the body of the suspected gunman, whom authorities described as mentally disturbed, CNN affiliate KEYT-TV said. Police said there were nine separate crime scenes.
"Sheriff's deputies responded and found several victims suffering from gunshot wounds. As sheriff's deputies were attending to the victims and performing first aid, they were also receiving suspect information. Only minutes later, there were additional reports of shots fired in several other areas of Isla Vista," Hoover said.
U.S. law enforcement officials said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and FBI were assisting local police in the investigation, including trying to trace the handgun used and where the possible suspect obtained it.
Robert Johnson told CNN he was standing on a corner when he heard what he thought were fireworks. Then a black BMW with tinted windows drove by and either slowed down or stopped outside a deli where as many as eight people were eating outside. Someone in the car opened fire.
"It all happened very quickly, but I think this happened to be the largest group on the street," he said. "It think it was just targeted because it was the largest group in the area."
People jumped up and ran, Johnson recalled.
"I don't recall hearing any screaming," he said. "It was at that point where I turned and ran in the opposite direction. ... There's a lot of confusion. Even shortly after this whole ordeal had ended, I think a lot of people didn't realize the magnitude of the situation."
KEYT reporter John Palminteri told CNN that some witnesses reported hearing the gunman talk to some of his victims as he fired. Outside a 7-11 convenience store, he said, workers came out amid the gunfire to pull to safety a girl who had been shot in the leg. Another victim, a bicyclist, apparently sustained massive head injuries after being struck by the gunman's car.
One woman told the station that a driver of a car flashed a gun at her and asked, "Hey, what's up?" before opening fire. She escaped unharmed.
"I heard some pops, but I just assumed they were fireworks," said Daniel Slovinsky, who was eating at a restaurant. "Contrary to what you might expect, there wasn't a whole lot of chaos immediately. I didn't hear any screaming. A few people were running. ... It wasn't really until police started yelling at people to get inside that we realized something big went down. But even then people didn't know what."
KEYT reported that "witnesses described seeing a black BMW speeding through the streets, spraying bullets at people and various targets." Six minutes after the first emergency call, the suspected gunman traded fire with sheriff's deputies, and the vehicle plowed into a parked vehicle, said Hoover, the sheriff's office spokeswoman.
The suspected gunman was found dead from an apparent gunshot wound, she said, adding that it wasn't clear whether the death was self-inflicted or whether deputies killed the suspected gunman. A semiautomatic handgun was recovered, she said.
It appears the suspect acted alone, Hoover said.
"This is a very active and complex investigation involving approximately nine different crime scenes," she said.
Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown called the suspect "severely mentally disturbed," according to KEYT.
Authorities searching for a motive were looking into a video posted on social media that contains a man's tirade against women who supposedly rebuffed him, Brown told the station. Hoover said the suspect has been preliminarily identified but his name won't be released until "a positive identification is made."
The identities of the victims won't be released until the next of kin are notified, she said.
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Having been in his shoes in regard to rejection, it saddens me that he would take such a manic path... alas, rejection can very much drive a man insane, something today's single "boyfriend-free" women don't seem to understand.
Man and women are meant to be together, and eventually reproduce. When a man can't have a basic relationship, it hurts badly; I know that personally. I don't know this guy's initial issues that were preventing women from giving him a chance, but if they were not entirely his fault, then there could have been nothing he could do to fulfill that basic need.
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I just watched the video..... dude was psycho.
He had a very pretty girl on his arm for the Hunger Games premier. I wonder how quickly she figured out he was nuts and ran for her life. * This wasn't a case of a guy in permanent friend zone with girls (much of my high school), they were smart enough to clear of the creep.
*Update, after seeing the rest of those photos, it looked like the pretty girl was his dad's date (maybe his mom or step-mom)
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A lot of fake facebook pages have been created in the past day but this one seems to be the real one based on the dates of the posts.
https://www.facebook.com/elliot.rodger.3?ref=br_rs&fref=browse_search
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This might be the most complete and detailed story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638049/7-dead-drive-shooting-near-UC-Santa-Barbara.html
The perp looks to be obsessed with his selfie photos of himself.
His looks are not problematic, but his personality obviously left something to be desired, what with the serial murderer aspect, etc.
"Dude, you are thinking about doing WHAT?"
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Wow to try to put the blame for this shooting on woman who have rejected that ass hole is beyond belief. The young man is to blame and sounds like a spoiled brat who doesn't get his way so he retaliates. Everyone in life has rejection you just go on and keep trying till you succeed in anything you do that is worth doing. I worked in sales as an insurance and financial adviser let me tell you about rejection you get lots of it daily. I was popular in my private life but still was rejected many times and yes it hurts but not everyone is going to like us and a grown up knows this and you learn this from parents who teach you about life and that we aren't always winners. This society is also to blame with trying to cut out having kids be competitive so they learn that they lose sometimes and it isn't the end of the world you just try harder next time. The only one and I mean only one to blame here is this young man.
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Having been in his shoes in regard to rejection, it saddens me that he would take such a manic path... alas, rejection can very much drive a man insane, something today's single "boyfriend-free" women don't seem to understand.
Man and women are meant to be together, and eventually reproduce. When a man can't have a basic relationship, it hurts badly; I know that personally. I don't know this guy's initial issues that were preventing women from giving him a chance, but if they were not entirely his fault, then there could have been nothing he could do to fulfill that basic need.
With all due respect, this is bizarre. If "rejection" drives a man insane, then that man is mentally disturbed to begin with. You seem to be suggesting that women need to "give men a chance", even a nut case like this guy. Some men (and some women) can't have a "basic relationship." They're incapable of relating to a woman in any way but sexually, and that ain't what women want. Rodgers, in his video, was all about "sex and fun and pleasure," meaning "ladies, why aren't you attracted to someone who just wants to get in your pants?"
Men confident in their masculinity and maturity never have a problem attracting plenty of women. Needy guys who are looking for nothing more than an alternative to masturbation will never have a satisfying relationship.
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Having been in his shoes in regard to rejection, it saddens me that he would take such a manic path... alas, rejection can very much drive a man insane, something today's single "boyfriend-free" women don't seem to understand.
Man and women are meant to be together, and eventually reproduce. When a man can't have a basic relationship, it hurts badly; I know that personally. I don't know this guy's initial issues that were preventing women from giving him a chance, but if they were not entirely his fault, then there could have been nothing he could do to fulfill that basic need.
Get some help
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Rodger was mentally disturbed. His parents tried to warn the police about him (I forget which article had that news; there have been so many). But the young guy was 22; his parents couldn't control him any longer, and we don't have laws that allow the police to detain him for very long. Apparently, they didn't even think they could do anything at all just because he had the threatening YouTubes.
It's no wonder that he couldn't find a girlfriend - he probably was obviously unbalanced for a long time. It's sad when things like this happen, but we just aren't willing to go back to a time when "crazy" people could be locked up.
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Get some help
How I wish there was an "eff you" emoticon.
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Rodger was mentally disturbed. His parents tried to warn the police about him (I forget which article had that news; there have been so many). But the young guy was 22; his parents couldn't control him any longer, and we don't have laws that allow the police to detain him for very long. Apparently, they didn't even think they could do anything at all just because he had the threatening YouTubes.
It's no wonder that he couldn't find a girlfriend - he probably was obviously unbalanced for a long time. It's sad when things like this happen, but we just aren't willing to go back to a time when "crazy" people could be locked up.
Just the other day there was a case in Arizona where police used no warrant and simply broke into a person's house in a SWAT raid.
The reason? Because her health was failing, she was terminal and she told her doctor flippantly that she was just going to go home and blow her brains out.
Count to three......there's going to be some goober somewhere calling for anybody that's seen a shrink or taking anti-depression meds saying the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to them. :whistle:
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With all due respect, this is bizarre. If "rejection" drives a man insane, then that man is mentally disturbed to begin with. You seem to be suggesting that women need to "give men a chance", even a nut case like this guy. Some men (and some women) can't have a "basic relationship." They're incapable of relating to a woman in any way but sexually, and that ain't what women want. Rodgers, in his video, was all about "sex and fun and pleasure," meaning "ladies, why aren't you attracted to someone who just wants to get in your pants?"
Men confident in their masculinity and maturity never have a problem attracting plenty of women. Needy guys who are looking for nothing more than an alternative to masturbation will never have a satisfying relationship.
You'd think that in this day and age....with his pedigree having a father that was a director in the film HUNGER GAMES, that he could afford hookers.
I don't buy it. Something else going on here.
.....but I'm sure in the coming days, we're going to read and hear from many girls that "knew" him....as well as other friends.
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Rodger was mentally disturbed. His parents tried to warn the police about him (I forget which article had that news; there have been so many). But the young guy was 22; his parents couldn't control him any longer, and we don't have laws that allow the police to detain him for very long. Apparently, they didn't even think they could do anything at all just because he had the threatening YouTubes.
It's no wonder that he couldn't find a girlfriend - he probably was obviously unbalanced for a long time. It's sad when things like this happen, but we just aren't willing to go back to a time when "crazy" people could be locked up.
Cops are called upon at the last minute when these things get critical. They are asked to risk harm to themselves, avoid harm to the crazy one is possible, and risk possibly get sued if it doesn't go perfectly.
I prefer long lock ups, with conditions that might deter the ones that have control over themselves.
The chicks obviously were creeped out by the guy. If you can't get a girl, it is you, not the girls.
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Alleged Gunman's Apartment Now A Crime Scene
By Beth Farnsworth, KEYT - KCOY - KKFX Anchor/Reporter, beth.farnsworth@keyt.com
Victoria Sanchez, KEYT - KCOY - KKFX Anchor/Reporter, victoriasanchez@keyt.com
(http://m.keyt.com/image/view/-/26157730/highRes/1/-/maxh/300/maxw/480/-/30629qz/-/iv-shootings19-jpg.jpg)
ISLA VISTA, Calif. -
UPDATE: Santa Barbara County's Sheriff's scheduled news conference postponed until 5:00 p.m.
The Santa Barbara County Coroner's team has established a crime scene at the apartment complex where suspected shooter Elliot Rodger claimed he lived, prior to Friday's mass murders in Isla Vista.
NewsChannel 3 witnessed forensics experts removing three bodies from the Capri apartment complex on the 6500 block of Seville Road Saturday afternoon.
There is no confirmation from authorities whether this latest discovery increases the number of people killed, which stands at seven, including the gunman.
The timing is significant based on a more than one hundred page manifesto Rodger allegedly published hours before the killings.
"On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery."
Sheriff Bill Brown will give an update on the investigation during a 4:00 p.m. news conference from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Headquarters.
http://m.keyt.com/news/alleged-gunmans-apartment-now-a-crime-scene/26157468 (http://m.keyt.com/news/alleged-gunmans-apartment-now-a-crime-scene/26157468)
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Has somebody checked on his parents? Siblings?
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You'd think that in this day and age....with his pedigree having a father that was a director in the film HUNGER GAMES, that he could afford hookers.
I didn't want to admit it DC, but that was my first thought as well. Especially globe trotting, nightclubs in Vegas, Prague, and London even a creeper would get propositioned by one if they could smell money. Unless, of course, his serial killer vibe was oozing off of him like a can of Axe body spray.
I don't buy it. Something else going on here.
.....but I'm sure in the coming days, we're going to read and hear from many girls that "knew" him....as well as other friends.
Something really is off about his video. Especially the weird laugh. I think there is something else. Have they checked his freezer for any body parts? He struck me as more of a straight (maybe not) Jeffrey Dahmer.
Just wait, I predict within 24 hours, some network will start to blame bullying, gun culture, and hetro behavior.
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Of course, he also wrote a manifesto
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto
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I didn't want to admit it DC, but that was my first thought as well. Especially globe trotting, nightclubs in Vegas, Prague, and London even a creeper would get propositioned by one if they could smell money. Unless, of course, his serial killer vibe was oozing off of him like a can of Axe body spray.
Something really is off about his video. Especially the weird laugh. I think there is something else. Have they checked his freezer for any body parts? He struck me as more of a straight (maybe not) Jeffrey Dahmer.
Just wait, I predict within 24 hours, some network will start to blame bullying, gun culture, and hetro behavior.
Don't know how much you know about the high end call girl scene, but most of them are exquisitely sensitive to cues and are not exactly bothered by turning a job down if it feels wrong in any way. Where he was hanging around mostly, you are not talking $10 a pop meth head girls looking to feed their habit.
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Here's something else to chew on......
Heard on the radio today an interview with a witness that said there were TWO people in the car...not one. He didn't second guess himself.
The passenger did the shooting according to this witness.
If they found the deceased behind the wheel with his face blown away....then he's still alive and on the run.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20140524/us-college-community-shooting-0be4e750d6.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20140524/us-college-community-shooting-0be4e750d6.html)
The gunman got into two gun battles with deputies Friday night in the beachside community of Isla Vista before crashing his black BMW into a parked car, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said.
Deputies found him dead with a gunshot wound to the head, but it wasn't immediately clear whether he was killed by gunfire or if he committed suicide, he said.
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Santa Barbara shooter's father reveals he warned police about his son's threatening videos a week ago but they RELEASED him
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638427/He-disturbed-boy-British-grandmother-Santa-Barbara-mass-killer-boy-grew-Hollywood-royalty-posted-chilling-blogs-vowing-revenge-against-women-rejected-him.html
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With all due respect, this is bizarre. If "rejection" drives a man insane, then that man is mentally disturbed to begin with. You seem to be suggesting that women need to "give men a chance", even a nut case like this guy. Some men (and some women) can't have a "basic relationship." They're incapable of relating to a woman in any way but sexually, and that ain't what women want. Rodgers, in his video, was all about "sex and fun and pleasure," meaning "ladies, why aren't you attracted to someone who just wants to get in your pants?"
Men confident in their masculinity and maturity never have a problem attracting plenty of women. Needy guys who are looking for nothing more than an alternative to masturbation will never have a satisfying relationship.
Like I said, I don't know the issues with this kid, and what I have seen indicates he has serious issues with narcissism and how he views women. That could have-- and should have-- been addressed before he snapped. But there are many, without those same issues, who have the same struggles. I dare you to come on up to my neck of the woods, where the men outnumber the women, and tell me that "men confident in their masculinity and maturity NEVER have a problem attracting plenty of women." (Besides, if you constantly get rejected, what basis do you have in your confidence? Delusion?) Where I'm from, there are very few women to even be had, and you pretty much have to get them while you're both still in high school if you're going to get anyone good. (In many places, such as DC, the paradigm is reversed; the women grossly outnumber the men... but I certainly don't have the money to live in DC.)
It seems to me that the rejection issues compounded the ones that he already had to begin with. In and of itself, it should never lead to this. I have been constantly rejected and have never so much as disrespected a woman, as much as she might deserve it sometimes, much less go as far as this guy. He was 22. He still had (some) time to get his head straight (and his relationships with women back on a healthy track) had he not done this.
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- he probably was obviously unbalanced for a long time. It's sad when things like this happen, but we just aren't willing to go back to a time when "crazy" people could be locked up.
and until we do things like this will continue to happen either with guns ,knives,or cars
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Two threads on this story have been merged.
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He fatally stabbed three males at his residence complex before embarking on the massacre.
http://www.keyt.com/news/College-town-mass-murder-leaves-7-dead/26153616 (http://www.keyt.com/news/College-town-mass-murder-leaves-7-dead/26153616)
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I've been reading some of the coverage on this and I'm speechless. Not sure what to make of this one. 22 years old, spoiled rotten, driving a Beemer and pissing and moaning about how nobody likes him. Narcissistic at the very least, and obviously mentally unstable. As others have pointed out there is no provision in our mental health care system, such as it is, to preemptively remove someone from society for mental instability. The entry for mental health "treatment", such as it is, is contact with the local police department, and induction into the court-ordered and court supervised treatment.
Thank God there was a County Deputy Sheriff who spent good time at the range, and was in a position to end it. That Deputy has my Thanks and my sympathy for having no other choice but to take a life. He will no doubt be suspended with pay while the investigation is conducted and may likely even be called to testify before a Grand Jury before this is over.
I fear there are more like this one out there. There's no telling what this maniac has been up to, and I'm sure all the gun control people in California are all but masturbating over this one. I'm also sure we are going to be hearing far more about this guy than we ever wanted to in the near future.
I also find it interesting that the best reporting on this is all from the British press.
:smokin:
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Like I said, I don't know the issues with this kid, and what I have seen indicates he has serious issues with narcissism and how he views women. That could have-- and should have-- been addressed before he snapped. But there are many, without those same issues, who have the same struggles. I dare you to come on up to my neck of the woods, where the men outnumber the women, and tell me that "men confident in their masculinity and maturity NEVER have a problem attracting plenty of women." (Besides, if you constantly get rejected, what basis do you have in your confidence? Delusion?) Where I'm from, there are very few women to even be had, and you pretty much have to get them while you're both still in high school if you're going to get anyone good. (In many places, such as DC, the paradigm is reversed; the women grossly outnumber the men... but I certainly don't have the money to live in DC.)
It seems to me that the rejection issues compounded the ones that he already had to begin with. In and of itself, it should never lead to this. I have been constantly rejected and have never so much as disrespected a woman, as much as she might deserve it sometimes, much less go as far as this guy. He was 22. He still had (some) time to get his head straight (and his relationships with women back on a healthy track) had he not done this.
I don't care about this nut case. He's assumed room temperature.
As for you, move. If you're halfway sane and self-confident, you can have your pick of women in Dallas.
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I fear there are more like this one out there. There's no telling what this maniac has been up to, and I'm sure all the gun control people in California are all but masturbating over this one. I'm also sure we are going to be hearing far more about this guy than we ever wanted to in the near future.
I also find it interesting that the best reporting on this is all from the British press.
:smokin:
Hundreds of them. Try a peek here: http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/ and follow the links if your stomach for whining is strong enough.
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How I wish there was an "eff you" emoticon.
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I don't really see how my post concerned you
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Wow to try to put the blame for this shooting on woman who have rejected that ass hole is beyond belief. The young man is to blame and sounds like a spoiled brat who doesn't get his way so he retaliates. Everyone in life has rejection you just go on and keep trying till you succeed in anything you do that is worth doing. I worked in sales as an insurance and financial adviser let me tell you about rejection you get lots of it daily. I was popular in my private life but still was rejected many times and yes it hurts but not everyone is going to like us and a grown up knows this and you learn this from parents who teach you about life and that we aren't always winners. This society is also to blame with trying to cut out having kids be competitive so they learn that they lose sometimes and it isn't the end of the world you just try harder next time. The only one and I mean only one to blame here is this young man.
I don't put it on the woman, although it certainly didn't help. I apologize if I came off that way.
The question here is, was being a narcissistic wannabe sexpot the reason he got rejected, or was a once-decent guy who was constantly being rejected finally get tired of the abuse and turned into a narcissistic wannabe sexpot, then a homicidal maniac?
In this case, it appears to be the former, for which there is no excuse for such behavior. He is to blame; he shot the gun, he lost his bearings.
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Suspect in California rampage blamed aloof women
Associated Press
By MARTHA MENDOZA and OSKAR GARCIA
3 hours ago
GOLETA, Calif. (AP) — In YouTube videos and a long written manifesto, Elliot Rodger aired his contempt for everyone from his roommates to the whole human race, reserving special hate for two groups: The women he says kept him a virgin for all of his 22 years, and the men they chose instead.
Authorities said he put that bitterness into action in a stabbing and shooting rampage Friday night across the seaside California college town of Isla Vista that killed two young women and four men, at least half of them students at the University of California, Santa Barbara. Thirteen people were injured.
Rodger then apparently shot and killed himself inside the black BMW he used in the violence, authorities said Saturday.
The rampage played out largely as he laid it out in the public postings, including a YouTube video where he sits in the BMW in sunset light and appears to be acting out scripted lines and planned laughs.
"I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you," Rodger, the son of a Hollywood director who worked on "The Hunger Games," says in the video posted Friday and taken down by YouTube Saturday with a message saying it violated the site's terms of service.
"I don't know why you girls are so repulsed by me," he says in the video, describing his loneliness and frustration at never having had sex with or even kissed a girl. "I am polite. I am the ultimate gentleman. And yet, you girls never give me a chance. I don't know why."
Of the men he sees as rivals, he said: "I deserve girls much more than all those slobs," and that after his rampage "you will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, the true alpha male."
The first three killed Friday were male stabbing victims in Rodger's own apartment whose names have not been released, Sheriff Bill Brown said Saturday.
Then, at about 9:30 p.m., the citywide shooting and vehicle-ramming rampage began.
His first stop was the Alpha Phi sorority, which he had called "the hottest sorority of UCSB."
"I know exactly where their house is and I've sat outside it in my car to stalk them many times," Rodger wrote in his extensive manifesto titled "My Twisted World."
No one answered the door after one to two minutes of aggressive pounding, but he soon shot three women who were standing nearby, killing two of them, 19-year-old Veronika Weiss and 22-year-old Katherine Cooper.
He then drove to a deli where he walked inside and shot and killed another UC Santa Barbara student, 20-year-old Christopher Michaels-Martinez, the sheriff said.
"Chris was a really great kid," Michaels-Martinez's father said at a news conference where he choked back tears and eventually collapsed to his knees in agony. "Ask anyone who knew him. His death has left our family lost and broken."
Michaels-Martinez was the last one killed, but rampage would continue as Rodger drove across Isla Vista, shooting at some and running down others with his car, twice exchanging gunfire with deputies. He was shot in the hip, but the gunshot to the head that killed him was thought to be self-inflicted, Brown said.
Thirteen people were injured, eight from gunshot wounds, four from the vehicle and one whose origin wasn't clear. Just four of the injuries were considered serious.
Deputies found three semi-automatic handguns with 400 unspent rounds in his black BMW. All were purchased legally.
Rodgers had been a student at various times in recent years at nearby Santa Barbara City College, but was no longer in any classes, the school said in a statement.
Authorities had had three contacts with Rodger in the past year, including one case in which he claimed to be beaten but deputies suspected he was the aggressor.
On April 30, officials went to his Isla Vista apartment to check on him at the request of his family. But deputies reported back that he was shy, polite and having a difficult social life but did not need to be taken in for mental health reasons, Brown said. Rodger says in his manifesto: "If they had demanded to search my room... That would have ended everything. For a few horrible seconds I thought it was all over."
Attorney Alan Shifman said the Rodger family had called police after being alarmed by YouTube videos "regarding suicide and the killing of people" that Elliot Rodger had been posting.
Brown called the tragedy "the work of a madman" and said the videotape posted by Rodger the night of the killings is a "particularly chilling one, in which he looks at the camera and talks about what he is about to do."
Earlier Saturday, Shifman issued a statement saying Peter Rodger believed his son was the shooter. The family is staunchly against guns, he added.
"The Rodger family offers their deepest compassion and sympathy to the families involved in this terrible tragedy. We are experiencing the most inconceivable pain, and our hearts go out to everybody involved," Shifman said.
Isla Vista, a half-square-mile town centered on university life with outdoor cafes, bike shops, burger joints, sororities and fraternities, was shrouded in fog and unusually quiet Saturday.
Police tape crisscrossed Isla Vista streets, while blood was still visible on the asphalt. Bullet holes pierced windows of a parked car and the IV Deli Mart. A small shrine of flowers was growing outside the business, whose floors inside were stained with blood. For much of the day, the wrecked BMW driven by the shooter remained on the street, its windshield smashed in and its driver's door wide open.
UC Santa Barbara senior Kyley Scarlet said she heard the BMW smash to a halt outside a house she was in. Scarlet, who is a former sorority president, said two women from a sorority next door were killed on the lawn, where a pile of flowers grew on Saturday.
Crying students wandered up to the spot, shook their heads and hugged each other.
Scarlet said she was very disturbed by the video describing his anger at sorority girls.
"It's hard thinking my actions, being part of a sorority, led him to do this," she said.
AP via Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/suspect-california-rampage-blamed-aloof-women-081618824.html)
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I fear there are more like this one out there. There's no telling what this maniac has been up to, and I'm sure all the gun control people in California are all but masturbating over this one. I'm also sure we are going to be hearing far more about this guy than we ever wanted to in the near future.
The father of one of the victims has lit the fire:... Christopher Ross Michaels-Martinez, of Los Osos, Calif., was the last of six people killed by suspect Elliot Rodger before the gunman apparently shot and killed himself, authorities said.
Martinez choked back tears as he spoke, then grew angrier as he talked about gun laws and lobbyists.
“The talk about gun rights. What about Chris’ right to live?” Martinez said. “When will enough people say: ‘Stop this madness! We don’t have to live like this! Too many people have died!”
He then punctuated his words as he said, “We should say to ourselves: ‘Not! One! More!’” before dissolving into tears and falling to his knees as he stepped from the podium. ...
url=http://nypost.com/2014/05/25/shooting-victims-dad-stop-this-madness-not-one-more/]rest of story at NY Post[/url]
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/24/Father-of-Slain-Victim-Blames-Son-Death-on-NRA-and-Craven-Politicians (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/24/Father-of-Slain-Victim-Blames-Son-Death-on-NRA-and-Craven-Politicians)
Father of Slain Victim Blames Son’s Death on NRA and Craven Politicians
(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Breitbart-California/2014/05/24/isla-vista-victim-father-AP.jpg)
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/24/CA-Gunman-s-Family-Releases-Statement-They-Are-Against-Guns-Support-Gun-Control (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/24/CA-Gunman-s-Family-Releases-Statement-They-Are-Against-Guns-Support-Gun-Control)
Alleged Gunman's Family Releases Statement Supporting Gun Control
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California's gun control laws are already among the most stringent in the nation.
The gunman's father can be forgiven for not thinking clearly now, but surely he would feel no less anguished at this moment had his son used a knife.
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'We are in inconceivable pain': Hunger Games assistant director speaks of horror at his son's gun massacre as grandmother says he was 'very disturbed'
Father of mass killer Elliot Rodger, 22, has spoken of 'inconceivable pain'
Peter Rodger, who helped direct Hunger Games, offers victims sympathy
Says family called police weeks ago after Elliot put sinister videos online
Revealed Elliot was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, a form of autism
Elliot lived in luxury California home with family and drove black BMW
Grandmother said he was 'very disturbed' and had mental health issues
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638427/He-disturbed-boy-British-grandmother-Santa-Barbara-mass-killer-boy-grew-Hollywood-royalty-posted-chilling-blogs-vowing-revenge-against-women-rejected-him.html
it turns out the family knew he was disturbed.
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Again, I always wonder in cases like this one - what medications was this kid on?
I know from having a close family member with some difficult mental issues, sometimes the medications make them worse.
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I don't put it on the woman, although it certainly didn't help. I apologize if I came off that way.
The question here is, was being a narcissistic wannabe sexpot the reason he got rejected, or was a once-decent guy who was constantly being rejected finally get tired of the abuse and turned into a narcissistic wannabe sexpot, then a homicidal maniac?
In this case, it appears to be the former, for which there is no excuse for such behavior. He is to blame; he shot the gun, he lost his bearings.
If you read his manifesto, most of it is lifted directly from various Mens Rights groups. They are scrambling to distance themselves from this, especially on Reddit, but there is zero doubt in my mind that a lot of their poison had a significant effect on this kids behavior.
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If you read his manifesto, most of it is lifted directly from various Mens Rights groups. They are scrambling to distance themselves from this, especially on Reddit, but there is zero doubt in my mind that a lot of their poison had a significant effect on this kids behavior.
I'm about 2/3rds into it and it is striking it seems to be lifted from various movie subplots. While I can't name one in particular, it all seems very familiar. Like the back story to the antagonist or protagonist. It could be just the way he writes being from the Hollywood crowd- but at least half way into it, I was thinking it was half BS from his mind, probably pulling stories he saw in movies and rewriting himself into it.
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Again, I always wonder in cases like this one - what medications was this kid on?
I know from having a close family member with some difficult mental issues, sometimes the medications make them worse.
2/3rds into the manifesto and he makes no mention on being on medications or talking to a psychologist or counselor (other than a career counselor)....and he talks about EVERYTHING... I think if he was on something or going to a shrink, he would have mentioned it... He was mental from a young age if this manifesto is to be believed.
He does talk about drinking a lot but his issues were far before he started that.
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California's gun control laws are already among the most stringent in the nation.
The gunman's father can be forgiven for not thinking clearly now, but surely he would feel no less anguished at this moment had his son used a knife.
He DID use a knife; the three men killed in his apartment were killed with a knife.
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He DID use a knife; the three men killed in his apartment were killed with a knife.
I just read that. But we both know that the problem is not the weapon, it is the evil intent of the person who holds it. 99.99% of us who own guns did not kill anybody yesterday, nor will we ever. Someone needed to help this sick kid, and no one ever did.
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I just read that. But we both know that the problem is not the weapon, it is the evil intent of the person who holds it. 99.99% of us who own guns did not kill anybody yesterday, nor will we ever. Someone needed to help this sick kid, and no one ever did.
Interestingly enough, the only mention of someone ever trying to discipline him or set boundaries was the Moroccan step-mom would not put up with his s*** and rudeness. Everyone else in his family seemed to give into his spoiled brat, psychotic attitude.
Of course, he makes her out to be the villain.
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Interestingly enough, the only mention of someone ever trying to discipline him or set boundaries was the Moroccan step-mom would not put up with his s*** and rudeness. Everyone else in his family seemed to give into his spoiled brat, psychotic attitude.
Of course, he makes her out to be the villain.
If you have a strong stomach - hit the link I gave Chief upthread. There are a lot out there like this guy and they seem to find their own little echo chamber.
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If you have a strong stomach - hit the link I gave Chief upthread. There are a lot out there like this guy and they seem to find their own little echo chamber.
I am not surprised in the least. I'll check it when I get done with this manifesto.
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He DID use a knife; the three men killed in his apartment were killed with a knife.
A knife, a stick, a rock, or run them over with his car. Anyone as crazy as this guy was would find a way to kill, with or without a gun.
Of course I am not a Leftist and do not think like they do, but using such a tragedy to push a political agenda, leaves me speachless. That is the epitomy of heartlessness in my opinion.
This is opposite reality. He is the reason we need guns in society. He is the opposite poster child of banning guns. If someone had just shot him, many innocent people would be alive today.
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He's a poster child for having to pass an exam and get a license to be a parent.
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He's a poster child for having to pass an exam and get a license to be a parent.
Luckily for everyone except his victims, it seems women's intuition about him was his exam written by evolution.
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Luckily for everyone except his victims, it seems women's intuition about him was his exam written by evolution.
That is a terrific observation, AB! :pondering:
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Update to a previous comment, near the end he does talk about having a psychiatrist but so far not mention of being on medication. His parents also hired 'social skills counselors' for him last year.
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This was his shrink, one of those celebrity doctors who appears with Dr. Phil and on other Oprah type shows.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Charles-Sophy/216217336517
He said he was prescribed Risperidone but he refused to take it- so kind of the opposite of what we've seen lately. He was refusing to take anti-depressants prescribed to him.
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This was his shrink, one of those celebrity doctors who appears with Dr. Phil and on other Oprah type shows.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Charles-Sophy/216217336517 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Charles-Sophy/216217336517)
He said he was prescribed Risperidone but he refused to take it- so kind of the opposite of what we've seen lately. He was refusing to take anti-depressants prescribed to him.
When I was in jail, they had a daily med-call. All the guys would line up with zeal at the window and get their dose. There was a guard who would open their mouths to make sure they swallowed it. Even so, many guys would cup it and sell it later.
But the guys who took that stuff were zombies. They would wind up in their racks sleeping it off until the next dose. It was wild. They asked me several times if I wanted some, but I refused. I wanted to stay alert and have my wits about me.
But yeah, the guards used medication as a way of keeping the guys subdued. If this guy had been taking his meds, he would have been too wacked out and passive to hurt anyone.
If he was not so rich and connected, he would have been institutionalized years ago.
"One flew over the cuckoo's nest"
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This was his shrink, one of those celebrity doctors who appears with Dr. Phil and on other Oprah type shows.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Charles-Sophy/216217336517
He said he was prescribed Risperidone but he refused to take it- so kind of the opposite of what we've seen lately. He was refusing to take anti-depressants prescribed to him.
Hmm. That's the same drug at the center of the "man boobs" settlement all these lawyers have been advertising about on TV.
Risperidone is pretty powerful stuff; it's beyond your run-of-the-mill antidepressant. I can see why he was so hesitant to use the drugs. Perhaps a different drug would have been better advised.
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1. Everybody and his brother has Asperger's these days. Nobody is just plain f*cking crazy anymore.
2. I'm from a small town and went to high school the next small town over. Didn't have a date or girlfriend until I stopped hanging out in the two one horse towns and went to the town with a 5 digit population. Next thing I know, I'm all the sudden attractive. What a difference!
3. I have a friend, well actually had. He went weird or something. Now he's living a big city and still can't get a date and he's pushing 50. Lack of confidence. We're not born with it. Unless you're some sort of Cary Grant, it takes time to build.
He would comment on some of the girls I would date. None were perfect. Considering I wasn't either, I figured no harm, no foul.
This is some world we live in. Has very little to embracing God, prayer in school or drugs and everything to do with lawyering up. Everybody has an lawyer on retainer these days.
You can teach imbecile to feed a dog every day. You can't teach somebody to step in from the rain.
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This was his shrink, one of those celebrity doctors who appears with Dr. Phil and on other Oprah type shows.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Charles-Sophy/216217336517
He said he was prescribed Risperidone but he refused to take it- so kind of the opposite of what we've seen lately. He was refusing to take anti-depressants prescribed to him.
A psychiatrist prescribed Risperidone for my father when he was having some "issues". It flat out turned him into a zombie and he started having hallucinations - now there were two other "crazy" drugs (as my dad called them) he was on at the same time, so I don't know which particular one caused the hallucinations. It scared me and I couldn't see that the drugs were helping him at all - so contrary to what they tell you - I took him off of the crazy drugs, even though they say not to do that - and I don't recommend that others do that without consulting their doctor. But frankly, I didn't want to take him back to that doctor.
Anyway, I took him off and soon he was much better. The hallucinations went away and he could walk around without being dizzy and he wasn't sleeping all the time. I'm sure these drugs are necessary for some people, but I think they are over-prescribed and affect people differently - that's why I'm always wondering what medications these people that go off like this are on.
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I don't put it on the woman, although it certainly didn't help. I apologize if I came off that way.
The question here is, was being a narcissistic wannabe sexpot the reason he got rejected, or was a once-decent guy who was constantly being rejected finally get tired of the abuse and turned into a narcissistic wannabe sexpot, then a homicidal maniac?
In this case, it appears to be the former, for which there is no excuse for such behavior. He is to blame; he shot the gun, he lost his bearings.
tired of the abuse?
You gotta be sh*ting me.
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The father of one of the victims has lit the fire:url=http://nypost.com/2014/05/25/shooting-victims-dad-stop-this-madness-not-one-more/]rest of story at NY Post[/url]
It's amazing how people can take facts and arrive at a totally wrong conclusion.
But, he's a man filled with grief so I'll cut him some slack.
Nevertheless, it's the same scenario as as The IBF Card and The Race card, use the "blame the NRA Card".
It's the only play they've got.
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He DID use a knife; the three men killed in his apartment were killed with a knife.
Yes. I guess since he didn't use a gun in those deaths, they were justified.
Sorry for the dripping sarcasm in such a serious situation.
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Yes. I guess since he didn't use a gun in those deaths, they were justified.
Sorry for the dripping sarcasm in such a serious situation.
They have no problem placing their soapbox on the bodies of the dead.
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When he said - “ It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me”, what he is referring to in his own words later is the “hottest girls”. Show of hands – how many of you in high school or college could even get the most popular hottest girls to even know you were alive? Welcome to the world of being the average American guy, and most of us ended up marrying (and happily so), the average American girl. Girls who themselves probably cried themselves to sleep on a few occasions listening to Janis Ian’s At Seventeen - I learned the truth at seventeen That love was meant for beauty queens And high school girls with clear skinned smiles Who married young and then retired The valentines I never knew The Friday night charades of youth Were spent on one more beautiful At seventeen I learned the truth... And those of us with ravaged faces lacking in the social graces Desperately remained at home Inventing lovers on the phone……….
I don’t remember if there was a guy’s version to that song, but the majority of us felt that pain at least for a portion of our adolescent or young adult life, or after a devastating breakup. But we didn’t think about committing mass murder and killing all those who shunned us, like some deviant in a Dean Koonts novel. It was just not done. These are far darker days, like something very evil has been set lose in these last days.
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When he said - “ It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me”, what he is referring to in his own words later is the “hottest girls”. Show of hands – how many of you in high school or college could even get the most popular hottest girls to even know you were alive? Welcome to the world of being the average American guy, and most of us ended up marrying (and happily so), the average American girl. Girls who themselves probably cried themselves to sleep on a few occasions listening to Janis Ian’s At Seventeen - I learned the truth at seventeen That love was meant for beauty queens And high school girls with clear skinned smiles Who married young and then retired The valentines I never knew The Friday night charades of youth Were spent on one more beautiful At seventeen I learned the truth... And those of us with ravaged faces lacking in the social graces Desperately remained at home Inventing lovers on the phone……….
I don’t remember if there was a guy’s version to that song, but the majority of us felt that pain at least for a portion of our adolescent or young adult life, or after a devastating breakup. But we didn’t think about committing mass murder and killing all those who shunned us, like some deviant in a Dean Koonts novel. It was just not done. These are far darker days, like something very evil has been set lose in these last days.
You're right Navy. Makes me thankful I didn't grow up now. We never dreamed of this kind of stuff.
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But we didn’t think about committing mass murder and killing all those who shunned us, like some deviant in a Dean Koonts novel. It was just not done. These are far darker days, like something very evil has been set lose in these last days.
That's exactly what this kid resembles, and you're right - there always has been evil in this world, but it just seems to be ramped up in recent years.
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Sunday, May 25, 2014
Emo-Prog Elliot Rodger Was Fan of #MSNBC's Far-Left Spin-Off Channel 'Young Turks'
Boy, the murderin' leftist fringe is having a terrible time dealing with Hollywood leftist Elliot Rodger's Isla Vista shooting rampage.
My entry yesterday is up to over 100 at the comments of pure desperation, "Spoiled Hollywood Leftist Elliot Rodger Mass Murder in Isla Vista at #UCSB."
Basically, and predictably, the left is jonesin' to portray Rodger as some extreme right-wing white supremacist tea party conserva-libertarian pick-up artist misogynist --- and not necessarily in that order. I mean seriously, leftists are fanatical and delusional about this. The fact is, as I pointed out yesterday, Rodger was marinated in classic Hollywood luxury leftism, and he'd developed the textbook case of clinical psychosis and narcissistic personality disorder. He was an entitled, hate-addled leftist through and through.
But it gets even deeper. It turns out that one of Rodger's favorite YouTube channels belongs to the radical former MSNBC host Cenk Uygur, whose "Young Turks" program broke off from MSNBC in a dispute over Uygur's criticism of the Obama administration from the far left. Basically, "Young Turks" is an MSNBC reject, a spin-off whose followers are "emo progressives" hostile to Democrat accommodation politics at the White House. That is, apparently Rodger, according to his YouTube favorites, didn't think the Obama Democrats were far-left radical enough!
See Gateway Pundit, "Another Leftist Killer ➙ Santa Barbara Shooter Elliot Rodger Was Fan “Young Turks” Channel":
Elliot Rodger photo Boabb6qIQAEaTdw_zps4039d1f6.jpg
Elliot Rodger posted a crazy video before his mass killing spree titled, “Elliot Rodger Retribution”.
And, Elliot Rodger was a fan of the far left “Young Turks” YouTube Channel.
The Young Turks was one of his favorited channels.
The Young Turk describes itself as “a young progressive or insurgent member of an institution.”
The host of the channel Cenk Uygur is a far left political activist and former MSNBC host.
Rodger's favorites are here. There are no right-wing "Fox News" channels listed.
The simple fact is that Elliot Rodger fits no conservative template, and was in fact a classic Hollywood luxury leftist suffering from a sick narcissistic sense of entitlement. The dude needed help, and bad.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/emo-prog-elliot-rodger-was-fan-of.html
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That's exactly what this kid resembles, and you're right - there always has been evil in this world, but it just seems to be ramped up in recent years.
If it is, it's because:
1) The increase in overall population....a bigger pool of anything means more or everything.
2) The internet and the 24/7 news cycle. When a dog gets rescued from a mud pit on the other side of the world, it's 'news'.
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Good points, DC.
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Elliot Rodger wrote manifesto on his hate for women and his vindictive scheme prior to deadly rampage
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/maniac-writes-manifesto-prior-deadly-rampage-article-1.1805474
t was his “War on Women.”
In the repulsive manifesto he penned before killing six people and himself in seaside Southern California, tortured Santa Barbara college student Elliot Rodger vowed to “punish all females for the crime of depriving me of sex.”
“They have starved me of sex for my entire youth, and gave that pleasure to other men,” the sex-obsessed 22-year-old virgin wrote in his 137-page screed, titled “My Twisted World.”
“I cannot kill every single female on earth, but I can deliver a devastating blow that will shake all of them to the core of their wicked hearts.”
“Females truly have something mentally wrong with them,” Rodger wrote in the rambling diatribe, which he emailed to two dozen people ahead of his bloody Friday night rampage.
Elliot Rodger's twisted world. New York Daily News Elliot Rodger's twisted world.
He also writes at one point about putting women in “concentration camps.”
There were three distinct phases to Rodger’s sick scheme:
“On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery,” Rodger chillingly wrote.
“The first people I would have to kill are my two housemates, to secure the entire apartment for myself as my personal torture and killing chamber. After that, I will start luring people into my apartment, knock them out with a hammer, and slit their throats. I will torture some of the good looking people before I kill them, assuming that the good looking ones had the best sex lives.”
Three male students — Cheng Yuan Hong, George Chen and Weihan Wang — were indeed found dead in Rodger’s apartment with multiple horrific stab wounds.
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Victims of Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/names-faces-elliot-rodger-victims-article-1.1805488
All of the victims of Elliot Rodger’s killing spree have been identified by cops. They are:
George Chen, 19
Chen, from San Jose, Calif., was one of Rodger’s roommates and was one of the first people killed in the attack, stabbed repeatedly inside the Isla Vista apartment, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office said.
Katie Cooper, 22
A University of California Santa Barbara senior, Cooper was shot by Rodger across the street from the Alpha Phi sorority house. The Chino Hills, Calif., native studied art history and archeology at college.
The “About Me” section of the outgoing Cooper’s Facebook page says: “When in doubt, choose LOVE.”
Veronika Weiss, 19
A standout water polo player at Westlake High School in Thousand Oaks, Calif., Weiss was a bubbly blond freshman who was gunned down alongside Cooper.
Her father, Bob Weiss, said his daughter was thriving at UCSB: “She was killing it up there. She was making straight As. She was making friends. She was studying like a maniac and loving every minute of it.”
George Chen, 19, was stabbed to death by Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodger. George Chen, 19, was stabbed to death by Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodger.
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George Chen was stabbed to death by Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodger.
Weihan Wang, 20, was allegedly stabbed to death by Elliot Rodger during a murder spree through Isla Vista, Calif.
Cheng Yuan Hong was stabbed to death by Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodger.
Christopher Michael-Martinez, 20, a UCSB sophomore was inside the IV Deli Market when Rodger opened fire.
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Cheng Yuan Hong, 20
Another of Rodger’s roommates, Hong was mentioned at a Saturday press conference by sherrifs, who said Rodger contacted authorities to report a roommate had stolen his candles.
Hong, from San Jose, was that roommate, according to Santa Barbara DA Joyce Dudley.
Christopher Michael-Martinez, 20
A UCSB sophomore from San Luis Obispo, Calif., Michael-Martinez was inside the IV Deli Market when Rodger opened fire.
An English major, Michael-Martinez was excited about plans to study abroad in London during his junior year, friends said.
“He was an engaging, happy guy who had a bright future,” said Leslie O’Connor, principal of San Luis Obispo High School.
Weihan Wang, 20
This Fremont, Calif., native was among the three young men Rodger killed inside the apartment, authorities say. It’s unclear if he was also a roommate or was visiting.
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It will be difficult for the Left to portray this guy as a Right Wing Christian Tea-Party Conservative, but that will not stop them from trying. The Left never ever lets facts or truth get in the way of 'the agenda'.
Then they always have the 'Hail Mary' failsafe that they constantly fall back on, and that is that though he may have been a Leftist, it is those crazy right-wing people that drove him to it. No matter what, it is still their fault, somehow, some way.
We will hear or read some variation of what I have written this week.
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I note here that the men that Rodger killed were mostly Asians; I think Chinese, given the surnames. Given that he has a Chinese mother, I can't help wondering now if there was a racial component to all of this that nobody is addressing.
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I note here that the men that Rodger killed were mostly Asians; I think Chinese, given the surnames. Given that he has a Chinese mother, I can't help wondering now if there was a racial component to all of this that nobody is addressing.
What is the demographics of the students that live and go to that college in that area?
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I note here that the men that Rodger killed were mostly Asians; I think Chinese, given the surnames. Given that he has a Chinese mother, I can't help wondering now if there was a racial component to all of this that nobody is addressing.
I'd not read too much into three of them. Room mates, so simply targets of opportunity. Closest available victims, really.
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I'd not read too much into three of them. Room mates, so simply targets of opportunity. Closest available victims, really.
Not so sure, EC. At least it adds to the evidence that he was not easy to get along with...not easy to like.
If you can't get along with your roommates in college...then how can you get along with society in general?
It's a clue...not just a victim of convenience.
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I note here that the men that Rodger killed were mostly Asians; I think Chinese, given the surnames. Given that he has a Chinese mother, I can't help wondering now if there was a racial component to all of this that nobody is addressing.
Yes and no. In his manifesto, he said he was going to kill them simply out of convenience. Other times he didn't like it when a Chinese or Mexican man had a hot white girlfriend and he didn't- so he did consider his British side superior to them. He mentioned these roommates didn't have girlfriends, they just played games all day but he still hated them too.
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Not so sure, EC. At least it adds to the evidence that he was not easy to get along with...not easy to like.
If you can't get along with your roommates in college...then how can you get along with society in general?
It's a clue...not just a victim of convenience.
Accepted that it is a clue to his overall state of mind (or lack thereof) but he did explicitly state he needed to kill his room mates to turn his place into his "murder chamber." I do doubt the ethnicity of his room mates played much of a part in his decision. He would have done it no matter who they were and where they came from.
One thing I have noticed on various fora: We are all trying to make sense of this. Why did he do it, what triggered him, how could it have been stopped. No where have I seen the one true explanation.
Sometimes, evil walks among us.
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OK, call me insensitive but, I gots to ax this question:
"How can any responsible parent allow their mentally disturbed son to amass an ARSENAL in their own house without their knowledge?"
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OK, call me insensitive but, I gots to ax this question:
"How can any responsible parent allow their mentally disturbed son to amass an ARSENAL in their own house without their knowledge?"
He was living on his own in a college apartment. His family was actually very anti gun and in his manifesto, he described going to a shooting range the first time and got physically sick touching a gun (before he started planning his 'retribution').
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ahhh...that 'splanes it.
Thanks.
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http://nypost.com/2014/05/26/the-woman-the-killer-blamed-his-misogyny-on/ (http://nypost.com/2014/05/26/the-woman-the-killer-blamed-his-misogyny-on/)
This is the woman the killer blamed his misogyny on
By Linda Massarella, David K. Li and Bruce Golding
May 26, 2014 | 12:57pm
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The aspiring model whose childhood rejection of Elliot Rodger lit the fuse that turned him into a murderous madman barely remembers him, her dad told The Post on Monday.
Pretty blond Monette Moio is vilified as an “evil bitch” in the rambling, 141-page manifesto that Rodger wrote before killing six people and wounding another 13 in California on Friday.
But her father, veteran Hollywood stuntman John Moio, said she only “vaguely remembers him” and was far too young to have been one of the “mean, cruel, and heartless creatures” that Rodger railed against.
“He called her a bully. She was just a little petite girl of just 10 years old,” John, 75, said.
John said he spoke with Monette after her name surfaced in Rodger’s manifesto.
“He was [a year] older. She remembers him being odd, that’s it,” the dad said.
John told the Daily Mail that his daughter was “devastated over the whole thing.”
“It’s like she’s being implicated in this terrible tragedy for something she hasn’t done and can’t remember,” he said.
“He’s a sociopath. She hasn’t seen him since school,” John said of his daughter and Rodger.
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“He’s a sociopath"
I wish people would learn the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.
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“He’s a sociopath"
I wish people would learn the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.
an interesting little summary of the diff: http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/11/03/the-difference-between-psychopaths-and-sociopaths/
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“He’s a sociopath"
I wish people would learn the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.
an interesting little summary of the diff: http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/11/03/the-difference-between-psychopaths-and-sociopaths/
CORRECT!
This little sh*t was a psychopath of the worst order.
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“He’s a sociopath"
I wish people would learn the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.
an interesting little summary of the diff: http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/11/03/the-difference-between-psychopaths-and-sociopaths/
CORRECT!
This little sh*t was a psychopath of the worst order.
Must confess, I like to try to get inside his head....like Detective DeLaney in a Lawrence Saunders novel. :pondering:
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- The Daily Sheeple - http://www.thedailysheeple.com -
BREAKING: MULTIPLE WITNESSES Say TWO MEN Were In the Elliot Rodger BMW During Shooting
Posted By SGT Report On May 26, 2014 @ 1:08 pm In Editor's Choice,Featured,Headlines & Head Lies,Media and Propaganda,News,News,Videos and Media | 5 Comments
Multiple witnesses say they saw two people inside the suspect’s vehicle, however, during the press conference, Sheriff Brown would neither confirm nor deny whether there was a passenger in the car.
Michael Vitak, a student from the Czech Republic, told Sanchez what he witnessed.
“Guys in a BMW. Maybe they were trying to prove they’re tough,” Vitak said during a live televised interview. Vitak saw them shooting at two girls; one was shot dead, the other was critically hurt.
One woman identified as Sierra told Sanchez she was approached by two men in a black BMW. The driver flashed a small black handgun and asked ‘”Hey, what’s up?”‘
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It's the typical Elite sense of entitlement.
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Fate saves one man, dooms another from UCSB killer
By Sophia Rosenbaum
May 27, 2014 | 12:27am
NYPost (http://nypost.com/2014/05/27/fate-saves-one-man-dooms-another-from-ucsb-killer/)A childhood buddy of the “virgin” murderer had a gut feeling he shouldn’t accept an invitation from Rodger to visit last weekend — likely saving him from becoming a victim in the madman’s murderous rampage, which left six dead and 13 injured.
The mother of Philip Bloesner, whom Rodger identified as his first friend at Topanga Elementary School in his hate-filled manifesto, told Britain’s Daily Mail that if her son and another friend had gone to Rodger’s Isla Vista pad as asked, “I have a feeling that they would have been right there as a part of it and shot, as well.
“We could see that he was turning,” Cathleen Bloesner said of Rodger. “He’d changed emotionally, and he’d become very despondent, and he wanted to get back at people.”
One of Rodger’s roommates, Weihan “David” Wang, didn’t follow his instincts and wound up dead.
Speaking with her hand clutched to her heart, Wang’s mother said her son had wanted to get away from Rodger and had even found a new apartment.
But he was waiting to move out until the start of the next semester, his parents, Jinshuang “Jane” Liu and Charlie Wang, told an NBC affiliate in San Diego.
Liu said her son told them Rodger played music loudly and was unsociable.
Wang was one of Rodger’s first victims and was found stabbed to death along with two other men in their apartment Friday night.
“I wish I could go in exchange of my son’s life,” Liu said, choking back tears. “I ask God, why doesn’t he take me instead of my son? I don’t understand why this happened to me.
“I’m just heartbroken. You just can’t imagine for a mom.”
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WashPost columnist: Let's blame Judd Apatow for the massacre (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/27/wapo-columnist-lets-blame-judd-apatow-for-santa-barbara-massacre/), by Ed Morrissey.
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BREAKING: MULTIPLE WITNESSES Say TWO MEN Were In the Elliot Rodger BMW During Shooting
Posted By SGT Report On May 26, 2014 @ 1:08 pm In Editor's Choice,Featured,Headlines & Head Lies,Media and Propaganda,News,News,Videos and Media | 5 Comments
Multiple witnesses say they saw two people inside the suspect’s vehicle, however, during the press conference, Sheriff Brown would neither confirm nor deny whether there was a passenger in the car.
Michael Vitak, a student from the Czech Republic, told Sanchez what he witnessed.
“Guys in a BMW. Maybe they were trying to prove they’re tough,” Vitak said during a live televised interview. Vitak saw them shooting at two girls; one was shot dead, the other was critically hurt.
One woman identified as Sierra told Sanchez she was approached by two men in a black BMW. The driver flashed a small black handgun and asked ‘”Hey, what’s up?”‘
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During events like this, there are always bad reports- people seeing things wrong or just full of s*** to try to get on TV. Add to that, fear porn websites like the Daily Sheeple that has a hit rate of about 1% in accuracy. I think the Onion is probably more accurate than they are.
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During events like this, there are always bad reports- people seeing things wrong or just full of s*** to try to get on TV. Add to that, fear porn websites like the Daily Sheeple that has a hit rate of about 1% in accuracy. I think the Onion is probably more accurate than they are.
The TV show Brain Games on Nat Geo channel had a topic of this very same thing. In the middle of a busy town square, they staged a confrontation followed by a purse snatch. Not one of the people interviewed was able to describe accurately what happened, what the thief looked like, if he was wearing a hat or not, the colors of clothes the thief was wearing, or even what the thief took. They gave widely different answers. In stressful situations like this your brain feels in the blanks of things you don’t remember, with grossly inaccurate pictures . Thus the thief wore a white ball cap, when in fact it was black.
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Calif. killer’s parents grieving more for victims than own son
By Bruce Golding
May 27, 2014 | 6:17pm
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2014/05/27/calif-killers-parents-grieving-more-for-victims-than-own-son/)The parents of California killer Elliot Rodger are grieving more for the victims than their own son, who blew his brains out after his rampage.
“It’s very difficult to be in their company . . . They are in grief. It would be true to say they mourn the loss of the others more than their son,’’ family friend Simon Astaire told The Post Tuesday.
Rodger’s parents — Hollywood director Peter Rodger and ex-wife Li Chin Rodger — “are unrecognizable” since their eldest child posted a YouTube video vowing vengeance over his failed love life and went on a murder spree that killed six and wounded 13 Friday night, Astaire said.
Astaire, a novelist who sat down with the divorced couple and Peter’s second wife, Soumaya, added that the family is trying to contact relatives of Elliot’s victims.
“It’s in process. They are reaching out. Both sides are reaching out at the moment,” he said, declining to elaborate.
Astaire wouldn’t say if any funeral arrangements were being made for Elliot or if his body had been claimed from the Santa Barbara Coroner’s Office.
Astaire said he met Elliot only a few times and recalled a Christmas party two years ago when Elliot, stepping outside for some air, stood alone. “He seemed at the time a gentle soul, but how wrong can you be?” he said.
Meanwhile, Lucky Radley, a childhood friend of Rodger, said he remembered the killer as “overly quiet” when they hung out together during fourth grade.
In his manifesto, Rodger had called Radley “very nice” in elementary school but said Radley later became “an object of my extreme jealousy and hatred.”
In middle school, “he immediately became popular with the pretty girls of his grade. I hated him for it,” Rodger wrote.
Radley, a University of Utah football player, told the Salt Lake City Tribune, “Literally, I’ve done nothing wrong to him whatsoever. I really hung out with him in fourth grade. After that, he was kind of doing his thing. I was into sports and he was kind of into other things.”
The jerk's "manifesto" also is available at that link. I read a couple of pages before becoming drowsy.
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Calif. killer’s parents grieving more for victims than own son
By Bruce Golding
May 27, 2014 | 6:17pm
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2014/05/27/calif-killers-parents-grieving-more-for-victims-than-own-son/)The jerk's "manifesto" also is available at that link. I read a couple of pages before becoming drowsy.
What is it with Leftist screwballs and "Manifestos"?
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It would be true to say they mourn the loss of the others more than their son,’’ family friend Simon Astaire told The Post Tuesday.
It would probably also be true to say that they loved 'others' more than they loved their son while he was alive...
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Elliot Rodger's murderous rampage near Santa Barbara has tragically exposed the limitations of involuntary-commitment laws that allow authorities to temporarily confine people who are deemed a danger to themselves or others.
Three weeks before he stabbed and shot six people to death and then apparently took his own life, the 22-year-old sometime college student was questioned by sheriff's deputies outside his apartment and was able to convince them he was calm, courteous and no threat to anyone. The officers had been sent by local health officials after Rodger's family expressed concern about him.
"He just didn't meet the criteria for any further intervention," Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday. "He was able to make a very convincing story that there was no problem, that he wasn't going to hurt himself or anyone else."
Like many other states, California has a law intended to identify and confine dangerously unstable people before they can do harm. It allows authorities to hold people in a mental hospital for up to 72 hours for observation.
To trigger it, there must be evidence a person is suicidal, intent on hurting others or so "gravely disabled" as to be unable to care for himself.
Police and medical personnel make tens of thousands of such welfare checks in California annually. In the year that ended June 2012, nearly 126,000 people were placed on temporary mental health holds in California.
In Rodger's case, it's not clear whether the law was too porous, if deputies were inadequately trained or if they simply weren't provided enough information to ferret out how deeply troubled Rodger had become.
Via AP. More at link. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/california-rampage-shows-gaps-mental-health-law-0
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http://nypost.com/2014/05/29/killer-virgins-parents-say-its-been-hell-on-earth/ (http://nypost.com/2014/05/29/killer-virgins-parents-say-its-been-hell-on-earth/)
Killer virgin’s parents: It’s ‘living hell’ knowing what our son did
By Sophia RosenbaumMay 29, 2014 | 2:13pm
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Elliot Rodger's parents, Peter (left) and Chin Rodger, say they have been experiencing "hell on earth" since the massacre.
The parents of California madman Elliot Rodger have been living in “hell on earth” since their son’s chaotic killing spree left six dead last week.
Peter and Chin Rodger released an anguished statement detailing their heartbreak for the victims of their son’s senseless Santa Barbara rampage that started with the slashing of his three roommates and ended with the “kissless virgin” turning the gun on himself.
“We are crying out in pain for the victims and their families. It breaks our hearts on a level that we didn’t think was possible,” Rodger’s parents said in a statement distributed by family friend Simon Astaire, who acts as their spokesman. “The feeling of knowing that it was our son’s actions that caused this tragedy can only be described as hell on earth.”
Astaire told ABC News on Thursday that their pain is so deep, they can’t speak without stammering and can barely articulate full sentences.
Last Friday, Rodger left his apartment armed with three handguns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. He headed to two sorority houses, where he shot and killed two girls, opened fire on a local deli, killing one, and ran down at least two bicyclists with his black BMW while shooting at people on the street. He injured more than a dozen.
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Just before he left his apartment Friday, Rodger sent a rambling, 137-page manifesto that outlined his entire life, called out everyone he hated and detailed his plan to kill as many people as possible in his “Day of Retribution,” which he had been planning for at least three years.
Rodger’s parents raced from Los Angeles to Santa Barbara to try to stop their son, but they were too late. Now they hope to do whatever they can to stop similar mass murders from happening.
“It is now our responsibility to do everything we can to help avoid this happening to any other family — not only to avoid any more innocence destroyed, but also to identify and deal with the mental issues that drove our son to do what he did,” the statement said.
Astaire has said his good friends Peter and Chin are mourning the loss of their son’s six victims more than their own flesh and blood.
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" Now they hope to do whatever they can to stop similar mass murders from happening."
We all know where that will go.
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Doubtless this will bring out another round of wails for gun control from the gun-haters, but it is interesting to note that half of the people he killed were "slashed" - i.e., not shot with a gun - and that he was as deadly with his car - several thousand pounds of killing machine - as he was with his firearms.
Sounds to me that there should be knife control and BMW control first before we get into any more gun control.
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" Now they hope to do whatever they can to stop similar mass murders from happening."
We all know where that will go.
The killer was an adult, living away from his family's home. They do NOT have any legal authority to confine their son.
The police followed the law. The son bought the guns (and knives), not his parents.
Trying to attach this tragedy to all society's traits you dislike, doesn't compute.
The Aurora, Colorado killer had parents, but he was an adult, not living at home.
The Connecticut killer lived in his Mother's home, and she got the guns and trained with him, target shooting.
The Tucson Arizona killer's parents knew he was crazy, but did nothing.
Under current laws, parents or police can't just say one day, okay he's too crazy and lock him up.
The people that come closest to holding legal power, are the mental health professionals, who have a legal obligation to report, if some lines are crossed.
In some ways this is little different from the spouse who watches the other, go out, get into the family vehicle, drive away knowing he/she will be drunk and could kill somebody.
How many husbands or wives call the police, to report their spouse when they depart drunk or going to get drunk and drive?
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Quote from: evadR² on Today at 06:06:40 PM
" Now they hope to do whatever they can to stop similar mass murders from happening."
We all know where that will go.
The killer was an adult, living away from his family's home. They do NOT have any legal authority to confine their son.
The police followed the law. The son bought the guns (and knives), not his parents.
Trying to attach this tragedy to all society's traits you dislike, doesn't compute.
The Aurora, Colorado killer had parents, but he was an adult, not living at home.
The Connecticut killer lived in his Mother's home, and she got the guns and trained with him, target shooting.
The Tucson Arizona killer's parents knew he was crazy, but did nothing.
Under current laws, parents or police can't just say one day, okay he's too crazy and lock him up.
The people that come closest to holding legal power, are the mental health professionals, who have a legal obligation to report, if some lines are crossed.
In some ways this is little different from the spouse who watches the other, go out, get into the family vehicle, drive away knowing he/she will be drunk and could kill somebody.
How many husbands or wives call the police, to report their spouse when they depart drunk or going to get drunk and drive?
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The comment I posted was in reference to the direction that will be taken "to do whatever they can to stop similar mass murders from happening".
It will be the standard diatribe about guns, gun control, yada yada and will have nothing to do with any effective efforts to preventing these mass murders in the future.
I have no disagreement with anything you said.
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The media have essentially buried this story. Thank God.