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Title: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 15, 2015, 12:45:23 pm
Why Ted Cruz Could Will Win in 2016

"The following assertion may not seem immediately intuitive, but I believe it to be true: Ted Cruz is the current front-runner for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

First, I would implore all readers to watch a full Ted Cruz speech if he or she has not already. The man is simply a performative marvel. He manages to strike some sort of preternatural balance between fiery Southern Baptist sermon and stand-up comedy routine, invariably bringing crowds to their feet. In the era of the tweet-sized soundbite, Ted Cruz’s mastery of the one-liner and the pun are not trivial; they are integral to his success...

...In the post-Citizens United landscape, traditional donor class support is becoming less and less important. Multi-billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson was able to bankroll Newt Gingrich’s 2012 presidential bid as nothing more than a personal vanity project. Gingrich went onto win the South Carolina primary. That unpredictable dynamic will only have been heightened by 2016. Ted Cruz may be disliked by elements of the GOP elite, but he doesn’t have to rely on their support to prevail, as likely would have been the case in years past.

Instead, Cruz can lean on what I’ll term the “para-establishment”—a constellation of advocacy groups, media entities, individual mega-donors, and others who have long ago thrown their lot in with Cruz. The speech I linked to earlier in this piece was actually from the Americans for Prosperity annual conference in Dallas, where Cruz was a featured speaker. The crowd absolutely ate him up. He is admired by salt-of-the-earth Tea Party types, but also by powerful factions of the Republican vanguard.

Cruz’s stunt earlier this month at the gathering of persecuted Middle East Christians doubtless solidified his support among the “pro-Israel” neoconservative cohort orbiting around Bill Kristol. Kristol’s new media outfit, the Washington Free Beacon, gave Cruz a mouthpiece in the form of reporter Alana Goodman. (Cruz met privately with Kristol and other donors in Texas just days before the shameful incident.)...

...Cruz also has a potentially compelling “personal story” which could give his candidacy an air of historical significance. He’d be the first president of Hispanic ancestry, and would absolutely be able to tailor a powerful message to that effect. A Harvard Law graduate whom professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz once described as “off-the-chart brilliant,” Cruz’s intelligence should never be underestimated.

For all his pretensions of down-home, aw-shucks conservatism, Ted Cruz is undeniably a member of the cultural elite. He counts his former Princeton classmate, Ramesh Ponnuru of National Review, as a personal friend. Meanwhile, Cruz is winning straw polls at major Evangelical events like the Values Voter Conference. Also, his wife is a managing director at Goldman Sachs.

The idea that Cruz could seize the nomination might seem far-fetched now, but the conditions of the American political system are changing radically, and it would be foolish to discount the idea. What’s the alternative? Jeb Bush? Really?..."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-ted-cruz-could-win-in-2016/

Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: massadvj on January 15, 2015, 01:01:08 pm
I don't get it.  Even though I agree with his politics most of the time, Cruz comes off to me as a sleazy, oily-haired opportunist.  He is like a caricature of a right wing nut created for some Hollywood movie.  I think he will fall flat, especially with women.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 01:17:13 pm
I like Cruz, he's got a great life story to tell. Politically, I am simpatico.

But, he has no experience running anything – not a city or county, not a state, not a company. He needs to get that first before running for the highest office.

The president needs managerial experience. Otherwise, we have another Barack Obama, leaving to others the important function of building a team, of motivating his people, of running the office.

Unless you've done that to a high degree of proficiency, what you end up with are second and third tier ideologues with runaway agendas running the show – in Cruz' case, coming at it from the right.

Get some experience running something first, then get back to us.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 15, 2015, 01:19:03 pm
I don't get it.  Even though I agree with his politics most of the time, Cruz comes off to me as a sleazy, oily-haired opportunist.  He is like a caricature of a right wing nut created for some Hollywood movie.  I think he will fall flat, especially with women.

I am a woman and I feel Cruz is Golden.  In the aspect of there are still some women (my mother being one of them) who will vote for the person with the "best hair"; unfortunately gives some validity to your statement.  However, I give more credit than that to some of the female population. 

The GOPe, liberals and the liberal media view Constitutional Conservatives as "right win nuts", and are doing their damndest to convince others that the Constitution is merely a document that can be ignored and trampled on.  That ignorance and trampling is why this country is in the downward spiral that we are in.

Perhaps Constitutional Conservatives are few and far between; but in the end the Constitution and conservative principles  is what this country was founded upon.  Without either, we will no longer have a Republic and certainly not a democracy within a Republic.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: massadvj on January 15, 2015, 01:23:42 pm
However, I give more credit than that to some of the female population. 

I hope you are right.  But I am betting Hillary Clinton will manage to get the endorsement of quite a few GOP women just because she lacks a penis.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 01:25:32 pm
I hope you are right.  But I am betting Hillary Clinton will manage to get the endorsement of quite a few GOP women just because she lacks a penis.

I wouldn't be too sure of that – you know, that last part.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: massadvj on January 15, 2015, 01:27:23 pm
I wouldn't be too sure of that – you know, that last part.

Well, she does have Bill...
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 15, 2015, 01:28:41 pm
I hope you are right.  But I am betting Hillary Clinton will manage to get the endorsement of quite a few GOP women just because she lacks a penis.

Yes you are correct.  Voting for the first female president will have a lot of pull and "political correctness".  However, voting for the first Hispanic-American president may just have even greater pull.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 15, 2015, 01:46:53 pm
I like Cruz, he's got a great life story to tell. Politically, I am simpatico.

But, he has no experience running anything – not a city or county, not a state, not a company. He needs to get that first before running for the highest office.

The president needs managerial experience. Otherwise, we have another Barack Obama, leaving to others the important function of building a team, of motivating his people, of running the office.

Unless you've done that to a high degree of proficiency, what you end up with are second and third tier ideologues with runaway agendas running the show – in Cruz' case, coming at it from the right.

Get some experience running something first, then get back to us.

I hear you loud and clear.  However, with his time as an outspoken Senator, his professional career and education, I still think he is Golden! ... Get back to us?  Time is definitely NOT on our side.    To say that he has no experience running anything or he can't lead is totally inaccurate.  Look at his bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE:
   
    Partner, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius Limited Liability Partnership, 2008-present
    Adjunct Professor of Law, United States Court Litigation, University of Texas School of Law, 2004-2009
    Solicitor General of Texas, Office of the Attorney General, 2003-2008
    Director, Office of Policy Planning, Federal Trade Commission, 2001-2003
    Coordinator, Department of Justice, Bush-Cheney Transition Team, 2000-2001
    Associate Deputy Attorney General, United States Department of Justice, 2001
    Associate, Cooper/Carvin & Rosenthal, 1997-1999
    Law Clerk, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, Supreme Court of the United States, 1996-1997
    Law Clerk, Judge J. Michael Luttig, United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, 1995-1996

EDUCATION:

Cruz attended high school at Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas, and later graduated from Second Baptist High School in Houston as valedictorian in 1988. During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von MisesThe program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[34] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton).[34] Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.

Cruz's senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled "Clipping the Wings of Angels," draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: "They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers."

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant." At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: EdinVA on January 15, 2015, 01:55:59 pm
I like Cruz, he's got a great life story to tell. Politically, I am simpatico.

But, he has no experience running anything – not a city or county, not a state, not a company. He needs to get that first before running for the highest office.

The president needs managerial experience. Otherwise, we have another Barack Obama, leaving to others the important function of building a team, of motivating his people, of running the office.

Unless you've done that to a high degree of proficiency, what you end up with are second and third tier ideologues with runaway agendas running the show – in Cruz' case, coming at it from the right.

Get some experience running something first, then get back to us.

We have had 50 years of "experienced" power brokers and race baiters... I will vote for Cruz as many times as they will let me..
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 02:09:29 pm
I hear you loud and clear.  However, with his time as an outspoken Senator, his professional career and education, I still think he is Golden! ... Get back to us?  Time is definitely NOT on our side.    To say that he has no experience running anything or he can't lead is totally inaccurate.  Look at his bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE:
   
    Partner, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius Limited Liability Partnership, 2008-present
    Adjunct Professor of Law, United States Court Litigation, University of Texas School of Law, 2004-2009
    Solicitor General of Texas, Office of the Attorney General, 2003-2008
    Director, Office of Policy Planning, Federal Trade Commission, 2001-2003
    Coordinator, Department of Justice, Bush-Cheney Transition Team, 2000-2001
    Associate Deputy Attorney General, United States Department of Justice, 2001
    Associate, Cooper/Carvin & Rosenthal, 1997-1999
    Law Clerk, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, Supreme Court of the United States, 1996-1997
    Law Clerk, Judge J. Michael Luttig, United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, 1995-1996

EDUCATION:

Cruz attended high school at Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas, and later graduated from Second Baptist High School in Houston as valedictorian in 1988. During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von MisesThe program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[34] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton).[34] Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.

Cruz's senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled "Clipping the Wings of Angels," draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: "They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers."

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant." At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.

I appreciate your reply. But, I did read his bio before making my comment. Nothing in it indicates experience running an operation as complex as the presidents office. All his bio shows is he was a government lawyer. That's very different from being governor or CEO. And, as a senator at the federal level, he just talks, gives his opinion, runs a subcommittee and votes.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 02:10:54 pm
... I'll take a Jack Welch any day.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: alicewonders on January 15, 2015, 04:06:37 pm
I love Ted Cruz!  I think his is a valuable voice in our Senate, he is spot-on!  However, like ac - I don't think he has the managerial experience to be president yet.  Senators have a lot of experience making laws and spending our money - I don't think that is the experience we need so badly right now.  Make a difference in the Senate and then run for governor of Texas.

I'm still rooting for Rick Perry or Scott Walker - these men know how to run things!  Ted Cruz would make the most awesome Attorney General though!  Ted Cruz is smart enough to know this, and I know that he knows he needs to add this type of experience to his already impressive resume. 

You are right libertybele - Ted Cruz is gold!

 
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Bigun on January 15, 2015, 04:13:20 pm
I don't get it.  Even though I agree with his politics most of the time, Cruz comes off to me as a sleazy, oily-haired opportunist.  He is like a caricature of a right wing nut created for some Hollywood movie.  I think he will fall flat, especially with women.

I generally always agree with you Victor but not this time!

Ted Cruz is going to do nothing but become more and more popular with the electorate for one reason only! He is actually doing what he promised to do as a candidate!
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: massadvj on January 15, 2015, 04:21:15 pm
I generally always agree with you Victor but not this time!

Ted Cruz is going to do nothing but become more and more popular with the electorate for one reason only! He is actually doing what he promised to do as a candidate!

I hope you are right because I do like the guy's politics and I could easily support him.  My objection is purely based on his communication style, not on his ideology, which I almost entirely agree with. 
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: olde north church on January 15, 2015, 04:21:40 pm
I don't get it.  Even though I agree with his politics most of the time, Cruz comes off to me as a sleazy, oily-haired opportunist.  He is like a caricature of a right wing nut created for some Hollywood movie.  I think he will fall flat, especially with women.

I can't get past his voice and demeanor to know if I agree with his politics.  He is right out of Central Casting.  You aren't alone.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Relic on January 15, 2015, 04:35:32 pm
I don't get it.  Even though I agree with his politics most of the time, Cruz comes off to me as a sleazy, oily-haired opportunist.  He is like a caricature of a right wing nut created for some Hollywood movie.  I think he will fall flat, especially with women.

My son, who is in his 30s, is a left of center moderate, (he thinks he's right of center, but that's another story). Anyway, when Cruz was given the chair that oversees NASA, my son was genuinely distraught. Cruz has made some ill-advised statements regarding net neutrality, and the under 40 tech crowd hates him with a passion.

Sorry, it's my opinion Cruz can't win, for the reasons you mention, and from what I observe.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: EdinVA on January 15, 2015, 05:20:10 pm
I like Cruz because I have never heard him respond with simple political talking points.  He shares his thoughts and it is apparent that he has given thought to the subject and understands the issues.  I don't always agree with him but I really like that he is the only one I have seen yet that really gets it...
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 05:45:11 pm
I like Cruz because I have never heard him respond with simple political talking points.  He shares his thoughts and it is apparent that he has given thought to the subject and understands the issues.  I don't always agree with him but I really like that he is the only one I have seen yet that really gets it...

But can he perform in the job of president? It takes more than sharing thoughts honestly to be a successful president. Even if you agree with those honestly shared thoughts.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: EdinVA on January 15, 2015, 06:01:33 pm
But can he perform in the job of president? It takes more than sharing thoughts honestly to be a successful president. Even if you agree with those honestly shared thoughts.

That is the question but only time in office will answer it.  Carter was gov, Ford was in politics his entire life and they blew it miserably so just having a notch in your belt does not qualify you.
I am not sure there really is a way to gain "qualifications" for President, there is no job on earth like it.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Bigun on January 15, 2015, 06:04:12 pm
That is the question but only time in office will answer it.  Carter was gov, Ford was in politics his entire life and they blew it miserably so just having a notch in your belt does not qualify you.
I am not sure there really is a way to gain "qualifications" for President, there is no job on earth like it.

Before he was 12 years old Ted Cruz had the entire U.S Constitution committed to memory! I can personally think of no greater qualification for a presidential candidate!
 
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 06:12:57 pm
I absolutely agree with the defenders here. Ted Cruz is a power house. No doubt. And I agree, Bigun, it would be nice to have a constitutionalist sitting at the helm.

But, because we think he's the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean he can get nominated or elected by the morons who vote in elections.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 15, 2015, 06:13:58 pm
Not sure – but, I think I just insulted myself?
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: alicewonders on January 15, 2015, 06:19:05 pm
Not sure – but, I think I just insulted myself?

 :silly:  It's complicated, isn't it?

Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Bigun on January 15, 2015, 06:23:10 pm
I absolutely agree with the defenders here. Ted Cruz is a power house. No doubt. And I agree, Bigun, it would be nice to have a constitutionalist sitting at the helm.

But, because we think he's the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean he can get nominated or elected by the morons who vote in elections.

Even they understand keeping promises!
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: EdinVA on January 15, 2015, 06:37:10 pm
But, because we think he's the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean he can get nominated or elected by the morons who vote in elections.

Yes, that will be the challenge...
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 16, 2015, 02:21:52 am
Before he was 12 years old Ted Cruz had the entire U.S Constitution committed to memory! I can personally think of no greater qualification for a presidential candidate!

Exactly.  Can anyone say "Constitutional Conservative"?  In addition to his professional and political experience plus his education; and did I mention he is of Latino origin?  Ted Cruz IS Golden!
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 16, 2015, 02:25:57 am
Yes, that will be the challenge...

...yes indeed. You know when you have a candidate that the left is intimidated by and the GOPe loathes him... you have a very viable candidate.  He's smart enough to jump in later rather than sooner ... giving both sides less time to try to rip him apart.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: truth_seeker on January 16, 2015, 02:58:09 am
Cruz is the very definition of a candidate with deep, loud but narrow support.

The last one that was described as somebody the left and the GOPe feared was Palin.

At this stage he consistently polls closer to 5% than 10%.

Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 18, 2015, 03:19:21 pm
I like Cruz, he's got a great life story to tell. Politically, I am simpatico.

But, he has no experience running anything – not a city or county, not a state, not a company. He needs to get that first before running for the highest office.

The president needs managerial experience. Otherwise, we have another Barack Obama, leaving to others the important function of building a team, of motivating his people, of running the office. 

So which Republican, in your opinion, has the managerial experience to be President?
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 18, 2015, 04:15:53 pm
Almost any successful major CEO, current or retired high-ranking military or state governor.

With few exception today's crop of senators are way down on my list.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Rivergirl on January 18, 2015, 04:43:17 pm
I totally agree with Right in Virginia............Cruz is a bit too arrogant to think he ought to run for president.  Personally, I hope that Gov. Perry gets another look.  Heard him on radio interview and he was discussing our national security issues with regard to the needs of the military.   He is well informed and not one bit arrogant.   More like Reagan in his down home attitude.
Was more than a bit put off by Cruz suggestion that we move the American Embassy to Jerusalem.  By now most Jews know that is highly unlikely and seemed more of a pander, IMHO.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Rivergirl on January 18, 2015, 05:16:42 pm
oops.  I meant to say I agreed with Aligncare.........
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 18, 2015, 09:22:28 pm
I totally agree with Right in Virginia............Cruz is a bit too arrogant to think he ought to run for president.  Personally, I hope that Gov. Perry gets another look.  Heard him on radio interview and he was discussing our national security issues with regard to the needs of the military.   He is well informed and not one bit arrogant.   More like Reagan in his down home attitude.
Was more than a bit put off by Cruz suggestion that we move the American Embassy to Jerusalem.  By now most Jews know that is highly unlikely and seemed more of a pander, IMHO.

Good grief!  Cruz come across as arrogant?  Perhaps you need to force yourself to sit through one of Obama's speeches and then tell me who comes across as arrogant.  I like Rick Perry, but he does carry some baggage and already went through the gauntlet once and lost.  I would also strongly encourage you instead of just listening to the radio and watching TV interviews to research the candidate; stance on issues, voting record, who they are affiliated with in civilian life, etc.  If that had been done by the majority, Obama would have never made it in.

We need a candidate who is a Constitutionalist, someone who is articulate and has backbone, tenacity and is unwavering and someone who is experienced but not a career politician with baggage.  Please welcome....Ted Cruz!  :patriot:
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: truth_seeker on January 18, 2015, 09:45:26 pm
I don't think Cruz has the "people" factors. He's too smart, and it shows that he knows it.

People like that are difficult to genuinely like.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: DCPatriot on January 18, 2015, 09:50:15 pm
I don't think Cruz has the "people" factors. He's too smart, and it shows that he knows it.

People like that are difficult to genuinely like.

Ronald Reagan lost in two efforts to secure the nomination before he finally achieved it in 1980.

Rick Perry appeared to be discombobulated in 2008 and all reports are that he is a completely different candidate today.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 18, 2015, 09:59:03 pm
I don't think Cruz has the "people" factors. He's too smart, and it shows that he knows it.

People like that are difficult to genuinely like.

Cruz is brilliant and yes it shows that he is good at his job; nothing wrong with that.  I'd rather have a smart president who honors the Constitution and won't back down on his principles and won't sell the country short and steps on a few toes rather than someone who can make small talk on the golf course, bow to a Saudi King and read from a teleprompter...just sayin'. 
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: sinkspur on January 18, 2015, 11:32:10 pm
Good grief.  Another Senator who's in office for 15 minutes and thinks he's qualified to be president.

Where have we heard that story before?  Haven't we had enough of presidents with no executive experience? 

Yes.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 18, 2015, 11:48:31 pm
Good grief.  Another Senator who's in office for 15 minutes and thinks he's qualified to be president.

Where have we heard that story before?  Haven't we had enough of presidents with no executive experience? 

Yes.

 :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 19, 2015, 05:27:18 am
Good grief.  Another Senator who's in office for 15 minutes and thinks he's qualified to be president.

Where have we heard that story before?  Haven't we had enough of presidents with no executive experience? 

Yes.

Good grief.  Really?  ....vs...GOPe and the Dems.  Really?  Haven't we had enough of the same old country club crappola and the choices of the lesser of the two evils?
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: xfreeper on January 20, 2015, 12:59:17 am
Cruz could win because there is not a candidate in either party that can win a debate with him.  He has the smarts and the answers to run circles around any of them and would bury them in the dust created when their heads explode.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2015, 01:12:01 am
I totally agree with Right in Virginia............Cruz is a bit too arrogant to think he ought to run for president.

Ah---are you sure you're quoting me??  I think Cruz would make a terrific President.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: EdinVA on January 20, 2015, 03:30:39 am
Good grief.  Another Senator who's in office for 15 minutes and thinks he's qualified to be president.

Where have we heard that story before?  Haven't we had enough of presidents with no executive experience? 

Yes.

Obama's problem is NOT that he has no experience, he is a Marxist and will stop at nothing to implement his agenda.
In fact, he has been very successful at making congress irrelevant and expanding government so not sure I agree with "inexperience" as a rejection criteria, rather than vision.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Fishrrman on January 20, 2015, 03:50:51 am
xfreeper wrote above:
[[ Cruz could win because there is not a candidate in either party that can win a debate with him.  He has the smarts and the answers to run circles around any of them and would bury them in the dust created when their heads explode. ]]

Hmmmm..... lemmmeeesseeee here.....

Could this possibly be one of the reasons why the RNC is not going to hold any debates for the candidates until AUGUST?

Until AFTER much of the primary season has run its course?

Cruz may be a fine debater, but by that time it will have been "name recognition", campaign ads, and contributions, that produce results in the primaries.

Maybe they don't WANT the primary elections to be won on the basis of "who's the better debater of the issues"...
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: speekinout on January 20, 2015, 04:34:04 am
xfreeper wrote above:
[[ Cruz could win because there is not a candidate in either party that can win a debate with him.  He has the smarts and the answers to run circles around any of them and would bury them in the dust created when their heads explode. ]]

Hmmmm..... lemmmeeesseeee here.....

Could this possibly be one of the reasons why the RNC is not going to hold any debates for the candidates until AUGUST?

Until AFTER much of the primary season has run its course?

Cruz may be a fine debater, but by that time it will have been "name recognition", campaign ads, and contributions, that produce results in the primaries.

Maybe they don't WANT the primary elections to be won on the basis of "who's the better debater of the issues"...

You do know that those debates are scheduled starting in August 2015 don't you? That is the beginning of the primary season for the 2016 election, not near the end.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: Fishrrman on January 20, 2015, 05:31:49 am
Ah, ok, I stand corrected!

Although it seems kind of odd to hold "primary candidate debates" six or seven months BEFORE the first primary...?
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: speekinout on January 20, 2015, 08:10:42 pm
Ah, ok, I stand corrected!

Although it seems kind of odd to hold "primary candidate debates" six or seven months BEFORE the first primary...?

The primary campaign debates for the 2012 election started in May of 2011. This is a later start.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: libertybele on January 20, 2015, 08:49:44 pm
Cruz has name recognition courtesy of the Dems and GOPe that despise him!  He has not announced he is even running; but I certainly would not under estimate him nor count him out, especially this early in the game.   My prediction is that the big hitters like Bush and Romney will be fighting amongst themselves; Huckabee and Crist will join in because of their egos and will fizzle out. Let Bush and Romney spend their millions forcing the Clintons to spend their money in counter attacks.  Either Bush or Romney will be left standing and at that time either Cruz, Walker, Jindal or Paul will enter the race.  You will see the Dems scurrying trying to reinvent Clinton or persuading Warren to run.  At that point in time the GOPe would be wise to back one of the new GOP stars; if they don't the GOPe will lose AGAIN!

The only other way that I see the GOPe possibly victorious is if ithey name either Cruz, Walker, Jindal or Paul as their running mates.  Like TEA or not, the GOPe needs them more than TEA needs the GOPe.  I sure as hell will NOT vote for Bush and remain skeptical voting for someone who has already lost twice.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: olde north church on January 21, 2015, 11:21:06 am
Cruz has name recognition courtesy of the Dems and GOPe that despise him!  He has not announced he is even running; but I certainly would not under estimate him nor count him out, especially this early in the game.   My prediction is that the big hitters like Bush and Romney will be fighting amongst themselves; Huckabee and Crist will join in because of their egos and will fizzle out. Let Bush and Romney spend their millions forcing the Clintons to spend their money in counter attacks.  Either Bush or Romney will be left standing and at that time either Cruz, Walker, Jindal or Paul will enter the race.  You will see the Dems scurrying trying to reinvent Clinton or persuading Warren to run.  At that point in time the GOPe would be wise to back one of the new GOP stars; if they don't the GOPe will lose AGAIN!

The only other way that I see the GOPe possibly victorious is if ithey name either Cruz, Walker, Jindal or Paul as their running mates.  Like TEA or not, the GOPe needs them more than TEA needs the GOPe.  I sure as hell will NOT vote for Bush and remain skeptical voting for someone who has already lost twice.

The GOP-E will not, repeat NOT nominate a "real" conservative.  If that's how it plays out, guarantee they will run their idea of a conservative, Chris Christie.
Title: Re: Why Cruz Could Win in 2016
Post by: aligncare on January 21, 2015, 11:50:57 am
Don't you just love our two-party system? (At least in Europe is such a thing as Conservative parties)

Yet, here we are. Building coalitions in order to win elections—only to see, for the umpteenth time, legislation that ignores our values signed into law.