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Title: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: ABX on August 13, 2017, 03:13:07 am
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Senator Ted Cruz has minced no words in his statement tonight about the events in Charlottesville, Virginia. He called out who and what, he (a lawyer by the way) gave no ground to the dumb theory it might have been a panicked accident, and he wants it investigated and prosecuted.

Here is the text, followed by the tweet, which also has an image of the text, plus the urging of investigation....

http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/08/12/ted-cruz-calls-charlottesville-car-attack-deliberate-domestic-terrorism-urges-justice-dept-investigation/


Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:18:32 am
Cruz is quickly becoming a human chancre sore. I have a hard time believing I ever supported him. I guess I fell for his "tell the rubes what they want to hear" bs,just like everyone else. He didn't get the alleged Republican nomination,so maybe now he's maneuvering for the Dim nomination next time?

He's just another whore,selling himself to the highest bidder.

How come the weasel isn't demanding any of the counter-protesters that attacked the peaceful marchers be arrested?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2017, 03:22:08 am
It is horseshit.

Add cruz to the horseshit. Ted Cruz you are a piece of shit.

Antifa was allowed to march.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: corbe on August 13, 2017, 03:27:35 am
Cruz is quickly becoming a human chancre sore. I have a hard time believing I ever supported him. I guess I fell for his "tell the rubes what they want to hear" bs,just like everyone else. He didn't get the alleged Republican nomination,so maybe now he's maneuvering for the Dim nomination next time?

He's just another whore,selling himself to the highest bidder.

How come the weasel isn't demanding any of the counter-protesters that attacked the peaceful marchers be arrested?

   Oh $hit, @sneakypete why would you call Ted Cruz a ho in this forum, knowing it's gonna pi$$ people off, your balls are bigger than mine.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 03:29:16 am
More faux sanctimony.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 13, 2017, 03:31:07 am
   Oh $hit, @sneakypete why would you call Ted Cruz a ho in this forum, knowing it's gonna pi$$ people off, your balls are bigger than mine.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the lefties aren't being charged. After all it was one of the alt right scum who actually took a life.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: corbe on August 13, 2017, 03:32:45 am
More faux sanctimony.

   The first time you typed that @dfwgator I knew you were on target, the second time, well I'm still in awe from the first time.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 03:50:12 am
Cruz is quickly becoming a human chancre sore. I have a hard time believing I ever supported him. I guess I fell for his "tell the rubes what they want to hear" bs,just like everyone else. He didn't get the alleged Republican nomination,so maybe now he's maneuvering for the Dim nomination next time?

He's just another whore,selling himself to the highest bidder.

How come the weasel isn't demanding any of the counter-protesters that attacked the peaceful marchers be arrested?

Sorry to break it to you @sneakypete .  It was one of the "peaceful marchers" crowd that did the killing today.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 03:52:08 am
Sorry to break it to you @sneakypete .  It was one of the "peaceful marchers" crowd that did the killing today.

Both sides there want a Race War.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 04:04:14 am
Both sides there want a Race War.

Exactly.  A pox on both their houses.  But it was one of the folks @sneakypete was defending that actually did the killing this time.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2017, 06:14:28 am
Sorry to break it to you @sneakypete .  It was one of the "peaceful marchers" crowd that did the killing today.
So now the actions of someone from a Yankee State (Ohio) will be used to characterize people protesting the erasure of Confederate monuments and Heroes from the South?
Throw in some neonazis (from Illinois?--another Yankee State) for good measure and a handful of kluxxers (their ranks in the photo were not more than two or three deep at the deepest), which reminds me of a protest CNN engineered not so long ago.

Now, tens of thousands (if not far more) people whose ancestors fought and perhaps died or were wounded, risking their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the Confederate cause, seeking independence from the Northern dominated Union can STFU or be called Nazis or Racists.

Perfect. The MSM has done its job. The programming is nearly complete.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Crazieman on August 13, 2017, 06:25:10 am
So now the actions of someone from a Yankee State (Ohio) will be used to characterize people protesting the erasure of Confederate monuments and Heroes from the South?
Throw in some neonazis (from Illinois?--another Yankee State) for good measure and a handful of kluxxers (their ranks in the photo were not more than two or three deep at the deepest), which reminds me of a protest CNN engineered not so long ago.

Now, tens of thousands (if not far more) people whose ancestors fought and perhaps died or were wounded, risking their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the Confederate cause, seeking independence from the Northern dominated Union can STFU or be called Nazis or Racists.

Perfect. The MSM has done its job. The programming is nearly complete.

The American Taliban probably have enough ammo to dynamite Stone Mountain now.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2017, 11:35:09 am
So now the actions of someone from a Yankee State (Ohio) will be used to characterize people protesting the erasure of Confederate monuments and Heroes from the South?
Throw in some neonazis (from Illinois?--another Yankee State) for good measure and a handful of kluxxers (their ranks in the photo were not more than two or three deep at the deepest), which reminds me of a protest CNN engineered not so long ago.

Now, tens of thousands (if not far more) people whose ancestors fought and perhaps died or were wounded, risking their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the Confederate cause, seeking independence from the Northern dominated Union can STFU or be called Nazis or Racists.

Perfect. The MSM has done its job. The programming is nearly complete.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 01:19:20 pm
The posts here on this thread is why the GOP cannot condemn White Supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

Cruz did... and what does he get?

Hate and bile.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 01:21:47 pm
Sorry to break it to you @sneakypete .  It was one of the "peaceful marchers" crowd that did the killing today.

Um, no.

The guy went to attend an 'alt-right' rally.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2017, 01:31:46 pm
The posts here on this thread is why the GOP cannot condemn White Supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

Cruz did... and what does he get?

Hate and bile.

I am condemning him because it is half of the truth. A half truth. That is worse than a blatant lie.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: endicom on August 13, 2017, 01:55:00 pm
I am condemning him because it is half of the truth. A half truth. That is worse than a blatant lie.


What he said has long been seen as politically necessary for a Republican. With that done, it would be nice if he followed up with a Trump-like blanket condemnation of violence and its agitation.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 01:56:32 pm
   Oh $hit, @sneakypete why would you call Ted Cruz a ho in this forum, knowing it's gonna pi$$ people off, your balls are bigger than mine.

@corbe

Don't blame me. I'm not the one that made him a whore. He put himself on the street,hoping to get the alleged Republican nomination for president in 2020.

All I did was point him out.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 02:00:02 pm
So now the actions of someone from a Yankee State (Ohio) will be used to characterize people protesting the erasure of Confederate monuments and Heroes from the South?
Throw in some neonazis (from Illinois?--another Yankee State) for good measure and a handful of kluxxers (their ranks in the photo were not more than two or three deep at the deepest), which reminds me of a protest CNN engineered not so long ago.

Now, tens of thousands (if not far more) people whose ancestors fought and perhaps died or were wounded, risking their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the Confederate cause, seeking independence from the Northern dominated Union can STFU or be called Nazis or Racists.

Perfect. The MSM has done its job. The programming is nearly complete.

QFT

also, Nice to see you back SJ
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 13, 2017, 02:11:04 pm
The posts here on this thread is why the GOP cannot condemn White Supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

Cruz did... and what does he get?

Hate and bile.

At this point I'm not so sure the nazi sympathizers wouldn't cheer a muslim killing leftists.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:14:43 pm
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the lefties aren't being charged. After all it was one of the alt right scum who actually took a life.

@Cripplecreek

No,and it also doesn't take a genius to know who started the violence. WHO shows up at political protests as organized anarchists with masks,goggles,helmets,and a change of clothes as well as weapons in backpacks.

Which group riots,sets fire to police cars,buildings,loots stores,sets fire to stores,and uses gang tactics to pile on and physically attack opposition marchers or protesters?

WHICH group glorifies anarchy as an acceptable political step?

WHICH group was throwing bottles filled with cement at the members of the other group?

WHICH group is dedicated to the overthrow of the US Government and the establishment of a communist government?

WHICH group is calling a man with Jewish children and grandchildren a Nazi sympathizer and implying wants to send non-whites/non-Christians off to concentration camps,and more importantly WHY THE HELL do ANY of you give those people ANY credibility? Do you REALLY miss the alleged version of the Democratic Party being in office THAT much?

It also doesn't,or at least SHOULDN'T take a genius to figure out the loon that ran into those people with his car IS a loon that is NOT representative of the other protesters BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING SIMILAR.

Some black bitch talking head was on tv this morning "educating" us all on how Lee and the other confederates were traitors and never deserved to be honored,and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON SITTING AROUND THAT TABLE HAD EITHER THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE STONES TO CORRECT HER.

THE HISTORICAL TRUTH is that the original 13 states that joined together to form a federal government INSISTED there be a clause in the Articles of Confederation that created the new nation that if at any time in the future the federal government violated the articles of confederation any or all of them had a RIGHT to withdraw from the federal government. The south did this,and Lincoln refused to allow them to do WHAT WAS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT.

It was LINCOLN and the northern bankers that started the Civil War,period!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 13, 2017, 02:21:42 pm
@Cripplecreek

No,and it also doesn't take a genius to know who started the violence. WHO shows up at political protests as organized anarchists with masks,goggles,helmets,and a change of clothes as well as weapons in backpacks.

Which group riots,sets fire to police cars,buildings,loots stores,sets fire to stores,and uses gang tactics to pile on and physically attack opposition marchers or protesters?

WHICH group glorifies anarchy as an acceptable political step?

WHICH group was throwing bottles filled with cement at the members of the other group?

WHICH group is dedicated to the overthrow of the US Government and the establishment of a communist government?

WHICH group is calling a man with Jewish children and grandchildren a Nazi sympathizer and implying wants to send non-whites/non-Christians off to concentration camps,and more importantly WHY THE HELL do ANY of you give those people ANY credibility? Do you REALLY miss the alleged version of the Democratic Party being in office THAT much?

It also doesn't,or at least SHOULDN'T take a genius to figure out the loon that ran into those people with his car IS a loon that is NOT representative of the other protesters BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING SIMILAR.

Some black bitch talking head was on tv this morning "educating" us all on how Lee and the other confederates were traitors and never deserved to be honored,and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON SITTING AROUND THAT TABLE HAD EITHER THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE STONES TO CORRECT HER.

THE HISTORICAL TRUTH is that the original 13 states that joined together to form a federal government INSISTED there be a clause in the Articles of Confederation that created the new nation that if at any time in the future the federal government violated the articles of confederation any or all of them had a RIGHT to withdraw from the federal government. The south did this,and Lincoln refused to allow them to do WHAT WAS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT.

It was LINCOLN and the northern bankers that started the Civil War,period!

CC I suggest you put Pete on ignore please
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:23:36 pm
Sorry to break it to you @sneakypete .  It was one of the "peaceful marchers" crowd that did the killing today.

@Mom MD

And I am delighted to disappoint you by giving you the uncomfortable for you TRUTH that it was ONE man out of the whole crowd,and he obviously has mental issues.

Now,compare this to the typical Black Lives Matter crowd and THEIR "peaceful marches",or the anarchist crowd on the left coast and THEIR protest marches that ALWAYS end in violence THEY START. Groups like the one Terrible Terry McAuliffe's son was taking part in a short while ago when someone ripped his face mask off and a photographer took his photo so he could be identified. Dressed in black from head to toe,wearing goggles to protect him from tear gas,wearing a face mask to protect his identity,and carrying a backpack with a change of clothes so he could change his appearance after running from the police,and most likely also carrying weapons.

We don't really know though because THAT shit was shut down IMMEDIATELY and we never heard if he was actually arrested or what the charges are because his daddy is in upper management in the DNC,and likely to be our next president. McAulliffe was an anarchist during college and a hard left activist. Like father,like son.

But if you want to identify with the radical left and the anarchists that want to overthrow America,that's ok with me. I prefer having my enemies  clearly identifying themselves.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 02:26:59 pm
@Mom MD

And I am delighted to disappoint you by giving you the uncomfortable for you TRUTH that it was ONE man out of the whole crowd,and he obviously has mental issues.

Now,compare this to the typical Black Lives Matter crowd and THEIR "peaceful marches",or the anarchist crowd on the left coast and THEIR protest marches that ALWAYS end in violence THEY START. Groups like the one Terrible Terry McAuliffe's son was taking part in a short while ago when someone ripped his face mask off and a photographer took his photo so he could be identified. Dressed in black from head to toe,wearing goggles to protect him from tear gas,wearing a face mask to protect his identity,and carrying a backpack with a change of clothes so he could change his appearance after running from the police,and most likely also carrying weapons.

We don't really know though because THAT shit was shut down IMMEDIATELY and we never heard if he was actually arrested or what the charges are because his daddy is in upper management in the DNC,and likely to be our next president. McAulliffe was an anarchist during college and a hard left activist. Like father,like son.

As I said before a pox on both sides.  Just because BLM are criminal thugs doesn't make the trash on the other side any better.  I stand in condemnation on both sides of this melee.   You are the one that wants to minimize or give the organizers of the white supremacist groups a pass.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:29:52 pm
Both sides there want a Race War.

@dfwgator

WRONG. The left NEEDS a race war in order to create the anarchy they need to have their leaders in government declare Martial Law to suspend the Constitution so they have the US military to help them bust heads and seize power.

The thing they are VERY aware of but most people seem able to ignore is that once the government declares a state of Martial Law exists and suspends the Bill of Rights "for the duration of the emergency",THEY are the ONLY ones with the authority to declare the emergency is over. What do YOU think the odds are of them voluntarily removing themselves from absolute dictatorial power?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:35:45 pm
Exactly.  A pox on both their houses.  But it was one of the folks @sneakypete was defending that actually did the killing this time.

@Mom MD

Awww,you poor bay-bay! I hope you didn't hurt yourself badly while making that leap to the insanity of comparing ONE LONE LOON going violent to hundreds of leftist "protesters" going violent in order to "liberate" designer sneakers,liquor,clothing,big screen tv's,etc,etc,etc from the greedy clutches of the stores that owned them.

I give you due credit for writing "The killing THIS time" (emphasis mine). Otherwise I would be sincerely hoping you were severely injured.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:37:19 pm
So now the actions of someone from a Yankee State (Ohio) will be used to characterize people protesting the erasure of Confederate monuments and Heroes from the South?
Throw in some neonazis (from Illinois?--another Yankee State) for good measure and a handful of kluxxers (their ranks in the photo were not more than two or three deep at the deepest), which reminds me of a protest CNN engineered not so long ago.

Now, tens of thousands (if not far more) people whose ancestors fought and perhaps died or were wounded, risking their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the Confederate cause, seeking independence from the Northern dominated Union can STFU or be called Nazis or Racists.

Perfect. The MSM has done its job. The programming is nearly complete.

@Smokin Joe

Thank you. I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one that "Gets it".
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:38:36 pm
The posts here on this thread is why the GOP cannot condemn White Supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

Cruz did... and what does he get?

Hate and bile.

@HonestJohn

Which he,and you,so richly deserve.

There is nothing noble about being a weasel.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 02:40:00 pm
@Mom MD

I give you due credit for writing "The killing THIS time" (emphasis mine). Otherwise I would be sincerely hoping you were severely injured.

Why @sneakypete your sweet tone is making me blush.  I won't answer again   Both sides are trash and I call out violence and thuggery no matter where I see it.  And I truly appreciate your concern for my health.  Much to your dismay I suffered no injury.  I sincerely hope you do not injure yourself twisting like a pretzel to defend the indefensible
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 02:41:07 pm
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"Senator Ted Cruz has minced no words in his statement tonight about the events in Charlottesville, Virginia."

Reason #187 why I love Ted Cruz.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 02:41:33 pm
It is horseshit.

Add cruz to the horseshit. Ted Cruz you are a piece of shit.

Antifa was allowed to march.

This is what I want to know @bigheadfred ... who allowed Antifa to march and was it allowed without a permit?  This is both the gasoline and the spark that caused the violence.  One could almost think it was intentional.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:41:36 pm
At this point I'm not so sure the nazi sympathizers wouldn't cheer a muslim killing leftists.

@Cripplecreek


Ahhhh,now people that disagree with Your Highness are suddenly "nazi sympathizers".



ESAD.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 02:41:46 pm
Cruz is quickly becoming a human chancre sore. I have a hard time believing I ever supported him.

As do we.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Gefn on August 13, 2017, 02:42:39 pm
I couldn't sleep last night and I kept finding stories about the upcoming eclipse stating it was symbolic it was dividing our country in two with its projectory. Some BS about a sign about a 7 year civil war until the next one in 7 years ends it.

Weird stuff.

Cue up the Doors. Strange days indeed
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 02:43:06 pm
@HonestJohn


There is nothing noble about being a weasel.

Or an opportunist.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 02:46:29 pm
Don't speak to me again you neonazi piece of shit.

Don't hold back, Cripplecreek.  Tell us what you really think.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: skeeter on August 13, 2017, 02:47:20 pm
This is what I want to know @bigheadfred ... who allowed Antifa to march and was it allowed without a permit?  This is both the gasoline and the spark that caused the violence.  One could almost think it was intentional.

Somehow I don't think this is an investigative angle the MSM will pursue.

Oh, and those opportunists using this to smear everyone who they ordinarily disagree with as nazis can go eat    .
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 13, 2017, 02:47:42 pm
Bigotry, hatred and intentional acts of violence against innocent people are always wrong.

If Americans cannot come together over that principle in spite of our political differences, then we have no future as a nation.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:47:58 pm
  You are the one that wants to minimize or give the organizers of the white supremacist groups a pass.

@Mom MD

WHAT did they do that was criminal,and WHY are you and the other fools so quick to accept the "white supremacist" label the left tagged them with as being accurate?

WHICH group started the violence and physical attacks?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 02:49:58 pm
Somehow I don't think this is an investigative angle the MSM will pursue.

Oh, and those opportunists using this to smear everyone who they ordinarily disagree with as nazis can go eat    .

Good points. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 02:50:30 pm
This is what I want to know @bigheadfred ... who allowed Antifa to march and was it allowed without a permit?

Antifa didn't cause a kid to ram his car at high speed into a group of pedestrians ISIS-style with murderous intent.  And Antifa is not to blame for the hatred in the hearts of those denigrating Robert E. Lee's good name by turning it into an opportunity to broadcast their white-supremacist views to the world.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:52:03 pm
Why @sneakypete   
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Both sides are trash and I call out violence and thuggery no matter where I see it.


 Yeah,you and Jesus. I couldn't help but notice how noble you claim to be.

 
Damn shame it's more related to stupidity and ignorance than it is nobility.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 13, 2017, 02:52:46 pm
Bigotry, hatred and intentional acts of violence against innocent people are always wrong.

If Americans cannot come together over that principle in spite of our political differences, then we have no future as a nation.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:53:27 pm
Reason #187 why I love Ted Cruz.

@Hoodat

Does Teddy return your manlove? I've always suspected he was a switch-hitter.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 02:55:03 pm
Antifa didn't cause a kid to ram his car at high speed into a group of pedestrians ISIS-style with murderous intent.  And Antifa is not to blame for the hatred in the hearts of those denigrating Robert E. Lee's good name by turning it into an opportunity to broadcast their white-supremacist views to the world.

I have noticed those losing the argument have resorted to hopes of physical injury and name calling.  I would say the point has been made.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:57:46 pm
This is what I want to know @bigheadfred ... who allowed Antifa to march and was it allowed without a permit?  This is both the gasoline and the spark that caused the violence.  One could almost think it was intentional.

@Right_in_Virginia

Given that this happened in Charlottesville,Va,home of UVA and all the leftist loons that teach in that school and live in that area,it's pretty much a slam dunk. I'd be shocked if someone could prove that UVA didn't help organize and pay for the anti-protest gathering in addition to inviting them to town.

We are talking about a group of people that think Regan was a Nazi being in total control of the city.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 02:59:02 pm
As do we.

@Hoodat

Do you want me to return my Cruz Secret Decoder Ring?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:00:37 pm
Or an opportunist.

@Right_in_Virginia

Being a weasel is an essential character trait of opportunists everywhere.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 03:02:00 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Being a weasel is an essential character trait of opportunists everywhere.

Good point.   ^-^
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:02:45 pm
I'd be shocked if someone could prove that UVA didn't help organize and pay for the anti-protest gathering in addition to inviting them to town.

I would be shocked as well since it is impossible to prove a negative.  But then logic never was your strong suit.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Oceander on August 13, 2017, 03:03:21 pm
@Cripplecreek

No,and it also doesn't take a genius to know who started the violence. WHO shows up at political protests as organized anarchists with masks,goggles,helmets,and a change of clothes as well as weapons in backpacks.

Which group riots,sets fire to police cars,buildings,loots stores,sets fire to stores,and uses gang tactics to pile on and physically attack opposition marchers or protesters?

WHICH group glorifies anarchy as an acceptable political step?

WHICH group was throwing bottles filled with cement at the members of the other group?

WHICH group is dedicated to the overthrow of the US Government and the establishment of a communist government?

WHICH group is calling a man with Jewish children and grandchildren a Nazi sympathizer and implying wants to send non-whites/non-Christians off to concentration camps,and more importantly WHY THE HELL do ANY of you give those people ANY credibility? Do you REALLY miss the alleged version of the Democratic Party being in office THAT much?

It also doesn't,or at least SHOULDN'T take a genius to figure out the loon that ran into those people with his car IS a loon that is NOT representative of the other protesters BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING SIMILAR.

Some black bitch talking head was on tv this morning "educating" us all on how Lee and the other confederates were traitors and never deserved to be honored,and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON SITTING AROUND THAT TABLE HAD EITHER THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE STONES TO CORRECT HER.

THE HISTORICAL TRUTH is that the original 13 states that joined together to form a federal government INSISTED there be a clause in the Articles of Confederation that created the new nation that if at any time in the future the federal government violated the articles of confederation any or all of them had a RIGHT to withdraw from the federal government. The south did this,and Lincoln refused to allow them to do WHAT WAS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT.

It was LINCOLN and the northern bankers that started the Civil War,period!

What part of the Constitution lets a state withdraw?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:03:35 pm
@Hoodat

Does Teddy return your manlove? I've always suspected he was a switch-hitter.

You sound jealous.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:04:55 pm
Bigotry, hatred and intentional acts of violence against innocent people are always wrong.

If Americans cannot come together over that principle in spite of our political differences, then we have no future as a nation.

@andy58-in-nh

I  used to have hope it would all even out after the USSR collapsed,and then communism started collapsing all over the world.

Unfortunately,it seems like the communists in America saw that as a reason to dig in deeper and double their efforts.

I am no longer optimistic.  I think things have gone so far now that there will either be nationwide violence,or America will cease to exist without even putting up a fight.

"Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it."

BTW,GREAT tag line!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:06:35 pm
What part of the Constitution lets a state withdraw?

You have it backwards.  The Constitution does not grant rights.  It restricts the power of government.  So the question should be:
  What part of the Constitution prevents a State from withdrawing?

This is a question that Virginia asked before ratifying the Constitution.  And the answer to that question was 'nothing prevents a State from withdrawing'.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Oceander on August 13, 2017, 03:08:14 pm
You have it backwards.  The Constitution does not grant rights.  It restricts the power of government.  So the question should be:
  What part of the Constitution prevents a State from withdrawing?

This is a question that Virginia asked before ratifying the Constitution.  And the answer to that question was 'nothing prevents a State from withdrawing'.

:bigsilly:

That's so bad it's not even wrong, to paraphrase Fermi. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: jpsb on August 13, 2017, 03:08:59 pm
Cruz is quickly becoming a human chancre sore. I have a hard time believing I ever supported him. I guess I fell for his "tell the rubes what they want to hear" bs,just like everyone else. He didn't get the alleged Republican nomination,so maybe now he's maneuvering for the Dim nomination next time?

He's just another whore,selling himself to the highest bidder.

How come the weasel isn't demanding any of the counter-protesters that attacked the peaceful marchers be arrested?

I think you are being a little hard on lying Ted. He is a sleazy opportunist, but he is our sleazy opportunist. I intend to vote for him again in 2018 unless our other sleazy opportunist, Dan Patrick runs. That would be a dilemma.

We have no shortage of sleazy opportunists here in Texas.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:14:18 pm
For the record, here is the statement of Sen. Ted Cruz:


    “It’s tragic and heartbreaking to see hatred and racism once again mar our great Nation with bloodshed. Heidi’s and my prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the ongoing violence in Charlottesville. The First Amendment protects the rights of all Americans to speak their minds peaceably, but violence, brutality, and murder have no place in a civilized society.

    The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism.

    These bigots want to tear our country apart, but they will fail. America is far better than this. Our Nation was built on fundamental truths, none more central than the proposition ‘that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.'”


I find no fault in anything Cruz has said here.  I share his sentiments on the evils of lies, bigotry, and hate.  And I share his love for Jefferson's words in our Declaration of who we are to be as a nation.

Yet there are opportunists here who exude nothing but contempt for this.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 13, 2017, 03:16:01 pm
White supremacists are few in number, small of mind, and are largely inspired by fear and inchoate rage against people they wish to dominate.

The "Antifa" protestors are far greater in number, but similarly inspired.

We ought not be driven to distraction by the fact that the smaller group is denounced by the mainstream news media, while the larger one is given a pass on their noxious behavior, or even given open sympathy.

Wrong is wrong. Americans are still governed by a Constitution and ought to be constrained in their behavior by the ideas it represents.

There is but one way to reclaim the nation we once had: not by warring upon each other, but by turning back to the purposes upon which our nation was founded, respecting our differences, acknowledging our individual responsibilities, and moreover: by honoring each others' God-given rights.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: jpsb on August 13, 2017, 03:17:04 pm
@dfwgator

WRONG. The left NEEDS a race war in order to create the anarchy they need to have their leaders in government declare Martial Law to suspend the Constitution so they have the US military to help them bust heads and seize power.

The thing they are VERY aware of but most people seem able to ignore is that once the government declares a state of Martial Law exists and suspends the Bill of Rights "for the duration of the emergency",THEY are the ONLY ones with the authority to declare the emergency is over. What do YOU think the odds are of them voluntarily removing themselves from absolute dictatorial power?

Didn't FDR declare some king of an emergency? IIRC that "emergency" has yet to be declared over.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:19:15 pm
You have it backwards.  The Constitution does not grant rights.  It restricts the power of government.  So the question should be:
  What part of the Constitution prevents a State from withdrawing?

This is a question that Virginia asked before ratifying the Constitution.  And the answer to that question was 'nothing prevents a State from withdrawing'.

@Hoodat

It's a shame more people don't realize that. It is the reason why people from the south refer to it as "Mr Lincoln's War of Northern Aggression",and others say it was the announcement of the beginning of the end of America.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:20:41 pm
:bigsilly:

That's so bad it's not even wrong, to paraphrase Fermi.

@Oceander

Be clear. Are you trying to avoid saying that is wrong,or are you claiming it is actually wrong? No weasel words,say what you mean.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Oceander on August 13, 2017, 03:20:57 pm
@Hoodat

It's a shame more people don't realize that. It is the reason why people from the south refer to it as "Mr Lincoln's War of Northern Aggression",and others say it was the announcement of the beginning of the end of America.

Yeah, the Constitution is nothing more than a voluntary garden party, where you can come and go as you please. 

:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:21:31 pm
I think you are being a little hard on lying Ted. He is a sleazy opportunist, but he is our sleazy opportunist. I intend to vote for him again in 2018 unless our other sleazy opportunist, Dan Patrick runs. That would be a dilemma.

We have no shortage of sleazy opportunists here in Texas.

@jpsb

Or anywhere else.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:24:00 pm
For the record, here is the statement of Sen. Ted Cruz:


    “It’s tragic and heartbreaking to see hatred and racism once again mar our great Nation with bloodshed. Heidi’s and my prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the ongoing violence in Charlottesville. The First Amendment protects the rights of all Americans to speak their minds peaceably, but violence, brutality, and murder have no place in a civilized society.

    The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism.

    These bigots want to tear our country apart, but they will fail. America is far better than this. Our Nation was built on fundamental truths, none more central than the proposition ‘that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.'”


I find no fault in anything Cruz has said here.  I share his sentiments on the evils of lies, bigotry, and hate.  And I share his love for Jefferson's words in our Declaration of who we are to be as a nation.

Yet there are opportunists here who exude nothing but contempt for this.

@Hoodat

WHERE was his criticism of the violence of the anti-protest marchers?

His silence on this speaks louder than anything else he has ever said.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 13, 2017, 03:24:24 pm
For the record, here is the statement of Sen. Ted Cruz:


I feel pretty confident that Reagan would approve.

How a man handles the Klan.

REAGAN SPURNS KLAN SUPPORT
UPI
Published: May 2, 1984

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/02/us/reagan-spurns-klan-support.html

''Those of us in public life can only resent the use of our names by those who seek political recognition for the repugnant doctrines of hate they espouse.

''The politics of racial hatred and religious bigotry practiced by the Klan and others have no place in this country, and are destructive of the values for which America has always stood.''


Reagan did mention "others" but he specifically singled out the klan because he wasn't a morally compromised man.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:29:23 pm
Cruz leads a GOP backlash to ‘Black Lives Matter’ rhetoric (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/01/cruz-leads-a-gop-backlash-to-black-lives-matter-rhetoric/)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 03:29:49 pm
Quote
White supremacists are few in number, small of mind, and are largely inspired by fear and inchoate rage against people they wish to dominate.

The "Antifa" protestors are far greater in number, but similarly inspired.

True.

Quote
We ought not be driven to distraction by the fact that the smaller group is denounced by the mainstream news media, while the larger one is given a pass on their noxious behavior, or even given open sympathy.

Distraction? We need to FOCUS on this and call them on it every time they use it.

Quote
Wrong is wrong.


In an ideal world,it is. We don't live in an ideal world,though.

Quote
Americans are still governed by a Constitution and ought to be constrained in their behavior by the ideas it represents.

Well,the biggest problem here seems to ME to be that the US Constitution now means whatever any political opportunist with power wants it to mean.

Which,granted,is mostly our own fault for not insisting the words and intent of the Constitution be taught in schools. Most people today don't have a clue about what it represents. Hell,most Americans today think we are a freaking Democracy.


Quote
There is but one way to reclaim the nation we once had: not by warring upon each other, but by turning back to the purposes upon which our nation was founded, respecting our differences, acknowledging our individual responsibilities, and moreover: by honoring each others' God-given rights.

Truly noble thoughts,but things have gone so far now it's not going to happen.

Civil War seems to be a certainty in both the US and in Europe.Maybe/probably Russia also,but unlike Europe and North America,Russia isn't still a truly open society,so there is a lot going on there even know that is only suspected,not known.

Thanks to computers and the internet,the international banking families that have been shadow governments since the dawn of civilization finally have the ability to totally control huge populations all over the world,so they are now working on their plan to have the people of the various nations destroy their governments for them (the bankers) so they can step in and take control where control no longer exists.

These revolutions won't concern them at all because they will just get on their private yachts or private planes,and go off to vacation at one of their estates in Argentina or some similar place,and just wait it out in safety and comfort. When things begin to become stable again,they will emerge with their wealth and use it to take over.

America,for example,will no longer exist. America,Mexico,and Canada will be merged and renamed something like "The North American Economic Zone",and our leaders will be appointed by the board members (the international banking families) of "World Wide Government,Inc".

You will either fight,or you will become a speed bump. There are no other options. Elections are a joke. Trump was an abberation,but with his exception,the only people getting elected these days to lead ANY nation are leftist figureheads that are owned by the bankers.

You will know it is time to fight the day they announce the end of cash money,and say they will go digital and issue everyone a unique digital ID number to control all their accounts and other business and personal dealings. Once you have this number and cash is illegal,they will no longer have to worry about facing a resistance because any time anyone even ATTEMPTS to cause them any grief,all they have to do is have one of their minimum wage trolls hit the "delete" button on your account ID,and you will no longer exist.  You won't even be able to buy a cup of coffee at the convenience store where you went to place the toll free number to tell the authories where you are waiting to be picked up because you will no longer exist officially anywhere but as a number that needs to be picked up and sent to a re-education labor camp or executed.




Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: jpsb on August 13, 2017, 03:33:06 pm
The instant in time where Cruz loses the GOP nomination to Trump.

http://youtu.be/qz2636C7Rr4?t=60 (http://youtu.be/qz2636C7Rr4?t=60)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:39:19 pm
The instant in time where Cruz loses the GOP nomination to Trump.

The instance in time where a Cruz-hater was able to cite the lie that 'Lying Ted' told.



















































































Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Suppressed on August 13, 2017, 03:53:45 pm
I would be shocked as well since it is impossible to prove a negative.  But then logic never was your strong suit.

Actually, it is wrong to say it's impossible to prove a negative. That's a common fallacy.

For example, if you can prove a light switch is on, you can prove that it's not off.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 13, 2017, 03:54:50 pm

Distraction? We need to FOCUS on this and call them on it every time they use it.

In an ideal world,it is. We don't live in an ideal world,though.

Well,the biggest problem here seems to ME to be that the US Constitution now means whatever any political opportunist with power wants it to mean.

Which,granted,is mostly our own fault for not insisting the words and intent of the Constitution be taught in schools. Most people today don't have a clue about what it represents. Hell,most Americans today think we are a freaking Democracy.

Truly noble thoughts,but things have gone so far now it's not going to happen.

I appreciate your comments.

I'll answer this way:

Truth is not dependent upon a society's dominant values, nor upon situational ethics. What was wrong in ancient Greece, or in medieval France, or in colonial America, or in Nazi Germany, is still wrong today, everywhere.

Yes, we are thankfully not a Democracy, but a Republic governed by democratic institutions, which is a vastly different thing. The duty of a people in such a Republic is to obey the laws of their land and also, those of the God that made its foundational principles discoverable to the men who created it.

In this instance, it means appealing to people of good will, to the better instincts of their minds and purposes of their hearts so that we may find a common ground upon which to stand, for the purpose of advancing individual liberty, the protection of human life, the security of property and the unencumbered pursuit of our dreams.     
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: endicom on August 13, 2017, 03:55:47 pm
Not widely known is that 7 Up originally contained lithium.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 03:56:22 pm
So why aren't they calling this guy a "lone wolf", unlike every time a Muslim commits an act of terror?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 03:56:35 pm
Actually, it is wrong to say it's impossible to prove a negative. That's a common fallacy.

For example, if you can prove a light switch is on, you can prove that it's not off.

That is a binary choice.  In that example, 'NOT OFF' is equivalent to 'ON'.  There is no 'unknown'.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 13, 2017, 03:58:20 pm
Not widely known is that 7 Up originally contained lithium.
Well, if it had contained barbiturates, it would have been called "7 Down".
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 04:02:57 pm
Actually, it is wrong to say it's impossible to prove a negative. That's a common fallacy.

For example, if you can prove a light switch is on, you can prove that it's not off.

@Suppressed

Close,but no cigar. You can prove a light bulb is good if it is emitting light,but the switch could be faulty allowing it to glow with the switch off,or the bulb itself could be burned out and not glowing even though it is getting electricity.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 04:20:43 pm
The key ingredient in the 'negative' fallacy is the lack of time dependency.  The fallacy does not address a specific point in time - i.e. at this moment, the switch is NOT ON.  Instead, it offers the premise of proving something that never existed - in this case proving that the switch was turned off.  Looking at the switch in the ON position, there is no way to prove that it was ever off.  Thus, the fallacy.

The earlier fallacy brought up was this:
Quote
I'd be shocked if someone could prove that UVA didn't help organize and pay for the anti-protest gathering in addition to inviting them to town.

How can you prove that someone did not do something?  How can you prove that Suppressed did not turn the switch ON regardless of whether the switch is currently ON or OFF?  Sure, I saw Joe turn the switch ON.  But what about before that?  Could Suppressed have turned it on then?  Just because no one saw a tree fall in the forest does not prove it didn't fall.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Oceander on August 13, 2017, 04:20:50 pm
Well, if it had contained barbiturates, it would have been called "7 Down".

:bigsilly:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Given that this happened in Charlottesville,Va,home of UVA and all the leftist loons that teach in that school and live in that area,it's pretty much a slam dunk. I'd be shocked if someone could prove that UVA didn't help organize and pay for the anti-protest gathering in addition to inviting them to town.

We are talking about a group of people that think Regan was a Nazi being in total control of the city.

When I posted "one could almost think the violence was intentional" .... I forgot to add the /sarc tag @sneakypete

My bad.   88devil 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: TomSea on August 13, 2017, 04:42:41 pm
I don't know the particular incident but there was some sort of killing of a minority when Bush 41 was in office and he called out the justice department to go and investigate, I think a policeman shot someone.  It appears for some incidences, that is the automatic thing to do.

That may have been in Liberty city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

List of civil unrest incidences in the US. Though, there seems to be shock today, we have indeed gone through these many times before.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 04:53:48 pm
For the record, here is the statement of Sen. Ted Cruz:


    “It’s tragic and heartbreaking to see hatred and racism once again mar our great Nation with bloodshed. Heidi’s and my prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the ongoing violence in Charlottesville. The First Amendment protects the rights of all Americans to speak their minds peaceably, but violence, brutality, and murder have no place in a civilized society.

    The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism.

    These bigots want to tear our country apart, but they will fail. America is far better than this. Our Nation was built on fundamental truths, none more central than the proposition ‘that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.'”


I find no fault in anything Cruz has said here.  I share his sentiments on the evils of lies, bigotry, and hate.  And I share his love for Jefferson's words in our Declaration of who we are to be as a nation.

Yet there are opportunists here who exude nothing but contempt for this.

@Hoodat

Cruz was right, quite simply.  Someone got murdered, he called it out.  People can cry all they want about the right to assemble and protest, but it's a Constitutional right, no matter how much we might dislike some of those taking advantage of that right.  "They're to blame someone rammed them with a car and committed murder" just doesn't wash.  Not if we're being intellectually honest and thinking with our brains instead of our emotions.

I hope Trump will take a lesson from Cruz, and name it and condemn it.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 04:57:50 pm
The key ingredient in the 'negative' fallacy is the lack of time dependency.  The fallacy does not address a specific point in time - i.e. at this moment, the switch is NOT ON.  Instead, it offers the premise of proving something that never existed - in this case proving that the switch was turned off.  Looking at the switch in the ON position, there is no way to prove that it was ever off.  Thus, the fallacy.

The earlier fallacy brought up was this:
Quote
How can you prove that someone did not do something?


Fair enough. I will change what I wrote to "I'd be shocked if UVA didn't help organize and pay for the anti-protest gathering in addition to inviting them to town.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 05:00:13 pm
@Hoodat

Cruz was right, quite simply.  Someone got murdered, he called it out.  People can cry all they want about the right to assemble and protest, but it's a Constitutional right, no matter how much we might dislike some of those taking advantage of that right.  "They're to blame someone rammed them with a car and committed murder" just doesn't wash.  Not if we're being intellectually honest and thinking with our brains instead of our emotions.

I hope Trump will take a lesson from Cruz, and name it and condemn it.

You mean like condemning Islam for the actions of one "Lone Wolf"?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 05:01:27 pm
@Hoodat

Cruz was right, quite simply.  Someone got murdered, he called it out.  People can cry all they want about the right to assemble and protest, but it's a Constitutional right, no matter how much we might dislike some of those taking advantage of that right.  "They're to blame someone rammed them with a car and committed murder" just doesn't wash.  Not if we're being intellectually honest and thinking with our brains instead of our emotions.

I hope Trump will take a lesson from Cruz, and name it and condemn it.

@CatherineofAragon

I may be wrong and missed it because I am doing something else between postings,but I didn't see any posts that justified that murder in ANY respect. IF there was one and I missed it,PLEASE point it out to me and I will apologize.

If not,WTF are you talking about?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: SunkenCiv on August 13, 2017, 05:06:15 pm
Quote
Sessions: Federal Investigation of Charlottesville Underway (https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/08/12/is-charlottesville-whats-really-going-on-in-the-usa/) | Ian Mason | 13 Aug 2017 | Associated Press

[snip] What eyewitnesses described as rolling fist fights and battles with thrown projectiles broke out almost immediately after the hundreds of "Alt Right" activists and other white nationalist rallygoers made their way to the statue of Robert E. Lee, whose potential removal was the event's primary ostensible concern. [/snip]
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 05:12:27 pm
@CatherineofAragon

I may be wrong and missed it because I am doing something else between postings,but I didn't see any posts that justified that murder in ANY respect. IF there was one and I missed it,PLEASE point it out to me and I will apologize.

If not,WTF are you talking about?

@sneakypete

Sure.  Read back up the thread to your "yeah, but who started it" post. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 05:12:48 pm

Sessions: Federal Investigation of Charlottesville Underway | Ian Mason | 13 Aug 2017 | Associated Press

[snip] What eyewitnesses described as rolling fist fights and battles with thrown projectiles broke out almost immediately after the hundreds of "Alt Right" activists and other white nationalist rallygoers made their way to the statue of Robert E. Lee, whose potential removal was the event's primary ostensible concern. [/snip]


@SunkenCiv

Yeah,that's the sort of reporting I was seeing and hearing while it was going on.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 05:13:12 pm
You mean like condemning Islam for the actions of one "Lone Wolf"?

@dfwgator

No, I'm talking about this particular situation. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 05:14:06 pm
@dfwgator

No, I'm talking about this particular situation.

So. Condemn the person who did the act...He alone is responsible, no one else.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: TomSea on August 13, 2017, 05:20:45 pm
Heck, from what I read, maybe the counter-protesters were caving in the back window of his car.  We do have to find out more. It's very tragic that someone died, otherwise, I doubt if this whole story would have such gravity.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 13, 2017, 05:22:50 pm
At this point I'm not so sure the nazi sympathizers wouldn't cheer a muslim killing leftists.


Nazi's and Muslims were allies during WWII.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 05:32:33 pm

Nazi's and Muslims were allies during WWII.

And I have a feeling they will be again
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 05:33:31 pm
Well, if it had contained barbiturates, it would have been called "7 Down".

Every now and then...every now and then!   :beer:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 05:35:49 pm
Heck, from what I read, maybe the counter-protesters were caving in the back window of his car.  We do have to find out more. It's very tragic that someone died, otherwise, I doubt if this whole story would have such gravity.

Correctamundo!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
And I have a feeling they will be again

They never stopped being allies.  They both hate the Joooooooos.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 05:43:41 pm
You mean like condemning Islam for the actions of one "Lone Wolf"?

I don't see anyone simply condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists for the actions of 'one lone wolf'.

I see people condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists because they are neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.  A worldview that has been proven to be evil.  And a worldview that killed off over 400,000 Americans.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 05:51:23 pm
I see people condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists because they are neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.  A worldview that has been proven to be evil.  And a worldview that killed off over 400,000 Americans.

Ditto.  I condemn them for their racism.  I condemn the driver for using his vehicle to kill someone.  If this had not happened, I would still be condemning the Klan and other white supremacists for being racist cowards, and nazis, BLMers, and Antifaks for being socialist racist cowards.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: aligncare on August 13, 2017, 05:53:00 pm
The instant in time where Cruz loses the GOP nomination to Trump.

http://youtu.be/qz2636C7Rr4?t=60 (http://youtu.be/qz2636C7Rr4?t=60)

He oozed political correctness in that clip. I was disappointed to hear him take that stance.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 05:55:10 pm
Ditto.  I condemn them for their racism.  I condemn the driver for using his vehicle to kill someone.  If this had not happened, I would still be condemning the Klan and other white supremacists for being racist cowards, and nazis, BLMers, and Antifaks for being socialist racist cowards.

The post I responded to seemed to allude that the poster had no issues with the neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists... and thought the only reason people were condemning them was for the actions of the car driver.

@dfwgator
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 05:59:05 pm
I don't see anyone simply condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists for the actions of 'one lone wolf'.

I see people condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists because they are neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.  A worldview that has been proven to be evil.  And a worldview that killed off over 400,000 Americans.

And Communists are responsible for the deaths of over 100 million.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 06:03:00 pm
And Communists are responsible for the deaths of over 100 million.

Anything to deflect attention from those neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.

Not once have you actually condemned them.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 06:04:19 pm
Anything to deflect attention from those neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.

Not once have you actually condemned them.

I've said many times here that they're idiots who should be ignored.    And there were more than a few hammer and sickle banners in that crowd yesterday.

And I condemn the driver, if he's guilty,  I hope he hangs.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 06:08:49 pm
I've said many times here that they're idiots who should be ignored.    And there were more than a few hammer and sickle banners in that crowd yesterday.

And I condemn the driver, if he's guilty,  I hope he hangs.

Wow.  You've just said, in essence, that you believe their worldview isn't bad, they are just going about it wrong.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 06:09:19 pm
Wow.  You've just said, in essence, that you believe their worldview isn't wrong, they are just going about it wrong.

How did you come up with that? Their worldview is what makes them idiots.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: HonestJohn on August 13, 2017, 06:10:14 pm
How did you come up with that?

You said they were idiots.  Idiots aren't idiots for their beliefs, but because they always screw up implementation.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 06:11:46 pm
You said they were idiots.  Idiots aren't idiots for their beliefs, but because they always screw up implementation.

That's not my definition.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 06:18:24 pm
I've said many times here that they're idiots who should be ignored.    And there were more than a few hammer and sickle banners in that crowd yesterday.

And I condemn the driver, if he's guilty,  I hope he hangs.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDZcKbVwAAnr45.jpg:large)

Fry his ass for what he did to this car.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 06:20:54 pm
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDZcKbVwAAnr45.jpg:large)

Fry his ass for what he did to this car.

"That'll buff right out."
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 06:23:35 pm
"That'll buff right out."

With some Zanio and a clay bar!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2017, 07:02:41 pm
Or an opportunist.
Yeah. That. Reminds me of a guy who supported ethanol mandates right after the Gov of Iowa went ballistic over someone else saying he'd eliminate them (and still lost). Funny thing about opportunists, they're everywhere.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 07:06:02 pm
So. Condemn the person who did the act...He alone is responsible, no one else.

@dfwgator

Condemn all of the morons.  It's not hard.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 07:08:36 pm
@dfwgator

Condemn all of the morons.  It's not hard.

That's what Trump did.  All of the morons on Both sides.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 07:10:29 pm
That's what Trump did.  All of the morons on Both sides.

@dfwgator

Now even Gingrich is saying Trump needs to speak out more strongly.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 07:13:18 pm
@dfwgator

Now even Gingrich is saying Trump needs to speak out more strongly.

Ah yes  Newton Minnow Gringrich .  The guy is a white board away from being Karl "Where is My Sharpie" Rove.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 07:15:16 pm
@dfwgator

Now even Gingrich is saying Trump needs to speak out more strongly.

This Newt Gingrich?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VuBd1atfhQ4/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 07:21:38 pm
Ah yes  Newton Minnow Gringrich .  The guy is a white board away from being Karl "Where is My Sharpie" Rove.

@Wingnut

Yeah, I'm not a fan, but he's been hardcore Trump and his opinions have previously been held up as correct
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 07:23:41 pm
This Newt Gingrich?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VuBd1atfhQ4/hqdefault.jpg)

@dfwgator

Exactly.  Pelosi's buddy who was rehabilitated as long as he was praising Trump.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 07:25:27 pm
Seeing those too dumb ass speakers makes me long for the old days.

(http://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c12755-22A.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 07:26:21 pm
Seeing those too dumb ass speakers makes me long for the old days.

(http://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c12755-22A.jpg)

I'm afraid those days are long gone.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 07:27:14 pm
I'm afraid those days are long gone.

Damn, I miss Reagan.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: dfwgator on August 13, 2017, 07:28:23 pm
Damn, I miss Reagan.

Of course you do realize the Left said as many nasty things about Reagan, as they say about Trump now.   So that hasn't changed all that much.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 07:29:00 pm
@Wingnut

Yeah, I'm not a fan, but he's been hardcore Trump and his opinions have previously been held up as correct

The guy is a popcorn fart.  Sneaks out with only a dry toot and nothing else.  Screw him and what he thinks.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: TomSea on August 13, 2017, 07:30:03 pm
What's the point? Sometimes you have to be a team player. Didn't Newt help balance the budget? I'm sure he's done quite a lot.

(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/kennedy_08_31/k15_20120853.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2017, 07:37:08 pm
@dfwgator

WRONG. The left NEEDS a race war in order to create the anarchy they need to have their leaders in government declare Martial Law to suspend the Constitution so they have the US military to help them bust heads and seize power.

The thing they are VERY aware of but most people seem able to ignore is that once the government declares a state of Martial Law exists and suspends the Bill of Rights "for the duration of the emergency",THEY are the ONLY ones with the authority to declare the emergency is over. What do YOU think the odds are of them voluntarily removing themselves from absolute dictatorial power?
I'm not so sure it is so much just the Left (although they are the conspicuous 'protesters' at the moment) as the cadre from both sides of the aisle, call them what you will: uniparty, 'establishment', 'Country Club', whatever (I prefer traitors).
There is a group in power who have been playing Kabuki Politics in DC for a long time, and now they have all the tools (and networking data) they need to round up the dissidents and take over without so much as the encumbrances of the Rule of Law once the rules are suspended and all the efficiency of modern technology. The tools are in currently place (Patriot Act) to take anything from anyone in a declared 'emergency', without compensation or redress, and to imprison without charge and deny Habeas Corpus--or even eliminate--those who resist. The precedent is almost 160 years old. The legislation is relatively new. Both parties put it there http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml) and the only question seems to be which one will be on top when it is implemented.

If your interpretation of "Left" is "totalitarian", they are there on both sides of the aisle. As ever there are those who will assert 'it's okay when we do it. But "we" is a fickle thing, (recall Robespierre), so folks need to be careful what they wish for, it might not be as pretty as they think.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2017, 07:38:16 pm
Of course you do realize the Left said as many nasty things about Reagan, as they say about Trump now.   So that hasn't changed all that much.
The left would say nasty things about anyone with an 'R' after their name in the White House. It's the only song they know.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 07:38:28 pm
Didn't Newt help balance the budget?

Not unless Noot was in Congress in 1957.  Because that is the last year the Treasury ran a surplus.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 07:41:13 pm
What's the point? Sometimes you have to be a team player. Didn't Newt help balance the budget? I'm sure he's done quite a lot.

(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/kennedy_08_31/k15_20120853.jpg)

His accomplishments are:

Hasbeen.
Neverwas.
Wannabe.

You cant stack shit much higher on the bonafides
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 07:41:36 pm
Quote
In a statement, the White House sought to clarify that President Donald Trump condemns violence, bigotry and hatred, and it said “of course that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis and all extremist groups.”

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,276119.msg1418346.html#msg1418346
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: TomSea on August 13, 2017, 08:16:06 pm
Quote
    More recently, the federal budget was balanced in fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. A Republican-controlled Congress approved the appropriations for each one of those years and Democratic President Bill Clinton signed them. In fiscal years 1994 and 1995, when President Clinton governed with a Democrat-controlled Congress, the federal government ran deficits of $203.2 billion and $163.9 billion respectively.
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/no-democrat-controlled-congress-has-balanced-federal-budget-40-years-no-republican
Apparently, the matter is disputed.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:34:08 pm
Didn't FDR declare some king of an emergency? IIRC that "emergency" has yet to be declared over.

@jpsb

Yes,the obvious one being after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor,but I THINK he declared a state of emergency early in his term to allow new access to the public treasury during the early days of the his first term. There may have been others also that benefited and strengthened the left,but they are no more than a distant and vague memory to me now. He was in office so long there practically had to have been several.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:37:21 pm
Yeah, the Constitution is nothing more than a voluntary garden party, where you can come and go as you please. 

:facepalm2:

@Oceander

Ok,it's now offical. You are a clueless fool,and untrainable.

Tell us all,what do you "FEEL" the term "voluntary union" means?

No doubt you are one of the fools that thing the War of Northern Agression was found over slavery.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:39:38 pm
Cruz leads a GOP backlash to ‘Black Lives Matter’ rhetoric (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/01/cruz-leads-a-gop-backlash-to-black-lives-matter-rhetoric/)

@Hoodat

Yup,no doubt about it,"Temporary Ted" can be outraged with there are points to be scored from it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:43:56 pm
Quote
I appreciate your comments.

I'll answer this way:

Truth is not dependent upon a society's dominant values, nor upon situational ethics. What was wrong in ancient Greece, or in medieval France, or in colonial America, or in Nazi Germany, is still wrong today, everywhere.

I clearly agree that is the way things SHOULD be and are SUPPOSED to be,but the reality is far different.

The fact that Bubba Bush and Bubba Clinton are running around as free as birds,and enjoying their ill-gotten gains from their treasonous acts of selling our country down the drain is proof of that.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:45:21 pm
So why aren't they calling this guy a "lone wolf", unlike every time a Muslim commits an act of terror?

@dfwgator

Obviously because he is white,which means he is PROBABLY a Christian.

"Probably" is plenty close for the media and political creatures.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:48:25 pm
@sneakypete

Sure.  Read back up the thread to your "yeah, but who started it" post.

@CatherineofAragon

No. You obviously found it or think you found it,so either post a link to it or STFU about it. I'm not going to waste my time chasing rumors or fairy tales.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:52:20 pm
Quote
Heck, from what I read, maybe the counter-protesters were caving in the back window of his car.


We can rule that one out. There is a photo of his car from the rear as he was driving into the crowd that has been posted,and his rear window is clearly unharmed.

And even if they did bust out his rear window,that is no justification to drive into a crowd and murder at random.


Quote
We do have to find out more. It's very tragic that someone died,

I agree.


Quote
otherwise, I doubt if this whole story would have such gravity.

Naw,the left has been drooling with anticipation about this from the moment it was announced. They were poised to make something of it before it even began. That psycho just gave them what they wanted.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:56:39 pm


Quote
I see people condemning neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists because they are neo-Nazis, Klan, and White Supremacists.  A worldview that has been proven to be evil.  And a worldview that killed off over 400,000 Americans.

@HonestJohn

Are you so stupid you are incapable of comprehending and learning,or are you just posing as an ignorant fool for political reasons?

Any adult that is into politics and  still thinks Mr Lincoln's War was about slavery shouldn't be allowed to drive or operate heavy equipment.

I give schoolchildren a break on this one because they are being taught that lie is the truth in school,and they are still at the age where they are gullible.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 08:59:49 pm
And Communists are responsible for the deaths of over 100 million.

@dfwgator @HonestJohn

AND right up to 1942 ,the communists and the Nazi's were allies and goombas.  Hell,they even agreed on a joint invasion of Poland,and had the country split up before they even invaded it.

In fact,the Nazi version of fascism,which is slightly different than the Communist version of fascism,was just peachy-keen with "kindly old Uncle Joe",one of FDR's idols.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 09:02:11 pm
Wow.  You've just said, in essence, that you believe their worldview isn't bad, they are just going about it wrong.

@HonestJohn

You are in desperate need of a new screen name. I'm betting "Beria" is available,comrade.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 09:04:12 pm
@dfwgator

Now even Gingrich is saying Trump needs to speak out more strongly.

@CatherineofAragon

Yeah,crocodile tears are always safe in politics.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 09:05:42 pm
Seeing those too dumb ass speakers makes me long for the old days.

(http://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c12755-22A.jpg)

@Wingnut

Tip O'Neil had evil covered,but there was nothing the tiniest bit dumb about him.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 09:07:28 pm
Of course you do realize the Left said as many nasty things about Reagan, as they say about Trump now.   So that hasn't changed all that much.

@dfwgator

I have never forgotten how those evil bastards on the left talked trash about Barry Goldwater,and their co-conspirators in the alleged Republican Party applauded.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2017, 09:12:00 pm
Quote
I'm not so sure it is so much just the Left


The left leadership aren't even leftists. Does ANYONE REALLY think people like the Clintons and McAulliffe believe in equality and sharing anything with anyone? Once they gain absolute power they would make Beria and Stalin look like debutantes by comparison.

You can bet your bippy that the very instant the political left in this country takes power that their supporters who are actual leftists will be amongst the first people loaded on the trains.

Useful tools,useful tools.





Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: driftdiver on August 13, 2017, 09:17:14 pm
Racism is evil regardless of which color shows it.  I don't recall all this hand wringing when BLM was shooting cops and running over people and burning down businesses.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 13, 2017, 09:19:03 pm
@CatherineofAragon

No. You obviously found it or think you found it,so either post a link to it or STFU about it. I'm not going to waste my time chasing rumors or fairy tales.

@sneakypete

Bite me.  If you forgot what you posted that quickly, your memory problems aren't mine.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 09:25:51 pm
@Hoodat

Yup,no doubt about it,"Temporary Ted" can be outraged with there are points to be scored from it.

This reminds me of a section I saw in MAD Magazine as a kid - 'You never can win with a bigot'

http://salibiyyah.blogspot.com/2010/09/you-never-can-win-with-bigot.html

How far will you move the goal posts this time?


How come Ted Cruz never called out BLM?

But he did call out BLM.

Only to score points.



btw, when did you come up with "Temporary Ted"?  Did you make that one up all by yourself?  Or did you have to come up with something else when you found out there was no lie to back up the 'Lying Ted' schtick.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 09:26:47 pm
@sneakypete

Bite me.  If you forgot what you posted that quickly, your memory problems aren't mine.

Ah, the pitfalls of making it up as he goes.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2017, 09:29:29 pm
I kinda like "Temporary Ted". But the shorter version even better, "TempTed".
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2017, 10:35:49 pm
I'm afraid those days are long gone.

Sad but true.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Suppressed on August 13, 2017, 11:22:11 pm
@Suppressed

Close,but no cigar. You can prove a light bulb is good if it is emitting light,but the switch could be faulty allowing it to glow with the switch off,or the bulb itself could be burned out and not glowing even though it is getting electricity.

You just stated another fallacy.  Besides, you're not addressing the statement I made.  I didn't mention the bulb, I mentioned the switch alone.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Silver Pines on August 14, 2017, 12:15:39 am
Ah, the pitfalls of making it up as he goes.

@Hoodat

Sad!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: EC on August 14, 2017, 02:11:29 am
You just stated another fallacy.  Besides, you're not addressing the statement I made.  I didn't mention the bulb, I mentioned the switch alone.

Which is why logic is a consistent, highly organized system of thought for going wrong with confidence.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Calls Charlottesville Car Attack Deliberate ‘Domestic Terrorism’, Urges Justice Dept. Investigation
Post by: Mom MD on August 14, 2017, 02:27:58 am
@Hoodat

Sad!

@CatherineofAragon   Its OK, he will just call you stupid and ignorant in large font and wish you various injuries, then move on to the next rant.