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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: flowers on October 31, 2013, 05:04:19 pm
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/obama-attend-gettysburg-address-remembrance-20739966
President Barack Obama will not attend next month's event marking the 150th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address in Pennsylvania.
Officials at Gettysburg National Military Park said Wednesday that U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell will represent the administration the Nov. 19 sesquicentennial.
Jewell and Pulitzer Prize-winning historian James McPherson will share the role of keynote speaker. Other events include a reading of the Gettysburg address by a Lincoln portrayer. Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett also plans to attend the ceremony.
Lincoln delivered the immortal words of the address at a dedication of the Soldiers' National Cemetery on Nov. 19, 1863, more than four months after the Civil War's pivotal battle. More than 3,500 Union soldiers killed in the Battle of Gettysburg are buried there.
I wonder why he won't. Could you all here at the forum enlighten me on your reasons why he won't please?
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Obama is in bunker mode and obviously afraid he will be booed. From here on in he will pick his venues very carefully.
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Because it's not his country anyway?
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Both great reasons. I was thinking a bit of both anyone else have any ideas why. I just found it strange him turning down a reason to talk in public.
10294 :king: :chien:
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Abraham Lincoln delivered the quintessentially succinct and profound speech at that site. Obama, the great orator, knows he can not measure up.
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Both great reasons. I was thinking a bit of both anyone else have any ideas why. I just found it strange him turning down a reason to talk in public.
10294 :king: :chien:
Maybe he doesn't like remembering how many white men died to put an end slavery in America?
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Lincoln freed the slaves.
Obama is enslaving the free.
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Obama is in bunker mode and obviously afraid he will be booed. From here on in he will pick his venues very carefully.
I think you may be on to something here.
He's a egotist and a child, and won't go where people aren't going to bolster his already enormous ego.
And he knows that patriots will be at Gettysburg.
He HATES patriots.
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Lincoln freed the slaves.
Obama is enslaving the free.
May I quote you on that?? :patriot:
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Abraham Lincoln delivered the quintessentially succinct and profound speech at that site. Obama, the great orator, knows he can not measure up.
The fact is, no one can.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
19th November 1863
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The fact is, no one can.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
19th November 1863
It's absolutely brilliant.
I still have it committed to memory, and I weep that the resolve at the end of the speech is being destroyed at warp speed by the PUNK who dared compare himself to the GIANT of a man named Abraham Lincoln.
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The fact is, no one can.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
19th November 1863
Obama could never deliver a speech such as this: first for its brevity, and secondly for its felicitous absence of self-referential pronouns.
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May I quote you on that?? :patriot:
Certainly!
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Look on the bright side here, folks.
Obama's presence at such a hallowed place in American history would simply besmirch everything it stands for.
As President he should have enough class to attend but as a person having so little character it is best he stay away.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/obama-attend-gettysburg-address-remembrance-20739966
I wonder why he won't. Could you all here at the forum enlighten me on your reasons why he won't please?
"All men are created equal"; goes against the Civil Rights movement of today.
"Conceived in Liberty"; liberty is what he is working against.
"New birth of freedom"; see the above.
"This nation under God"; not comment necessary.
"Government of the people, by the people, and for the people"; he obviously finds this repulsive.
The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here; he hates the military and any reference to it.
Lincoln was a cracker. :peeonobama:
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Lincoln freed the slaves.
Obama is enslaving the free.
:thumbsup:
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I'm kinda surprised since he claims to be the next Lincoln.
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I'm kinda surprised since he claims to be the next Lincoln.
Probably didn't have a way to hide the teleprompter.
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Probably didn't have a way to hide the teleprompter.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Obama is in bunker mode and obviously afraid he will be booed. From here on in he will pick his venues very carefully.
Same reason he didn't go to Fenway Park last night, even though he was in Boston. I'm sure Jarrett had the area polled, and that booing would overwhelm any cheering on TV. He'll stick to college, black, and union crowds until after the mid-terms.
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Look on the bright side here, folks.
Obama's presence at such a hallowed place in American history would simply besmirch everything it stands for.
As President he should have enough class to attend but as a person having so little character it is best he stay away.
My thoughts exactly. In fact I'd rather he NOT show up!
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Same reason he didn't go to Fenway Park last night, even though he was in Boston. I'm sure Jarrett had the area polled, and that booing would overwhelm any cheering on TV. He'll stick to college, black, and union crowds until after the mid-terms.
Bingo. Even in blue Massachusetts he would have heard the boo birds.
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Bingo. Even in blue Massachusetts he would have heard the boo birds.
If so he is a coward..
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Look on the bright side here, folks.
Obama's presence at such a hallowed place in American history would simply besmirch everything it stands for.
As President he should have enough class to attend but as a person having so little character it is best he stay away.
I am glad he isn't showing up. Whenever he goes to Arlington I want to puke. I am sure my father is rolling over in his grave when he does show up there.
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Abraham Lincoln delivered the quintessentially succinct and profound speech at that site. Obama, the great orator, knows he can not measure up.
But it is odd, seeing that he invoked Lincoln frequently...even having the gall to compare himself to him.
...ah, but he compared himself to Reagan too....and wouldn't expect he and Michelle to visit his grave site.
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It is interesting how no one made a reference to his skin color; everything had to do with other qualities. Does anyone think a liberal website would have been able to the same? Congratulations, all blij26!! Now I'll make reference to his skin color. It is pathetically ironic that the first black president, who can thank the more than 620,000 who died for the cause of a "new birth of freedom" is in his position because of them, doesn't show up as a fitting tribute to the sacrifices of so many - white and black - in the Civil War. The Civil Rights of blacks were championed by republicans, with democrats battling to deny blacks the rights they had earned, would miss the opportunity to bring the nation together at such a historic even on it's 150 anniversary. It speaks to a person devoid of, uncaring of, or angry at the historic perspective of the awful sacrifices of people in the mid 19th century to bring freedom to slaves and make America what it was becoming, until he took office. This is a total slap in the face of all people who love their country, freedom, and what it has been able to become. But these same people are the ones who Obama calls "domestic terrorists" and his all consuming hatred is very transparent in his refusal to attend. :LAME:
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I attend military university and we were invited to the Gettysburg remembrance and then to Antietam. What is interesting about Gettysburg is that the South entered Gettysburg from the North and the North entered Gettysburg from the South.
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It is interesting how no one made a reference to his skin color; everything had to do with other qualities. Does anyone think a liberal website would have been able to the same? Congratulations, all blij26!! Now I'll make reference to his skin color. It is pathetically ironic that the first black president, who can thank the more than 620,000 who died for the cause of a "new birth of freedom" is in his position because of them, doesn't show up as a fitting tribute to the sacrifices of so many - white and black - in the Civil War. The Civil Rights of blacks were championed by republicans, with democrats battling to deny blacks the rights they had earned, would miss the opportunity to bring the nation together at such a historic even on it's 150 anniversary. It speaks to a person devoid of, uncaring of, or angry at the historic perspective of the awful sacrifices of people in the mid 19th century to bring freedom to slaves and make America what it was becoming, until he took office. This is a total slap in the face of all people who love their country, freedom, and what it has been able to become. But these same people are the ones who Obama calls "domestic terrorists" and his all consuming hatred is very transparent in his refusal to attend. :LAME:
Many historians have increased that number to 700,000 people dead
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If so he is a coward..
Have you seen anything that tells you he isn't a coward? He has his henchmen contact media members who dare to point out his failures, he baits Tea Party citizens by mocking them, knowing they can't do anything about the taunts ... this can't be the best black guy that the white Dems could control as their President, is it? Maybe his extreme narcissism doesn't allow him to see that he's a national joke, and even worse, lacks any respect from other world leaders.
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I attend military university and we were invited to the Gettysburg remembrance and then to Antietam. What is interesting about Gettysburg is that the South entered Gettysburg from the North and the North entered Gettysburg from the South.
If you have been to Antietam, you weren't that far from Gettysburg. Gettysburg is probably the best marked of the Civil War battlefields. I attended a class at Gettysburg College about 10 years ago on Lincoln and spent most of my free time going around the battlefield and didn't see all of it. The wife and I were there in June and a lot of the trees have been cut so it more resembles the battlefield as it was. At the time of the class, the latest body that had been found there that could be identified as a Civil War soldier was in 1997. My point is the battlefields, in many cases, were so vast that, as you say, many historians have the estimate at 700,000. It could be probable since many of the battles were fought around rivers, swamps, and largely deserted areas. Likely as not, many remain unaccounted for. I have a great, great uncle who died, and is buried, at Andersonville and if that many died in less than two years it seems the 620,000 could be low. If you can, go there as it gives an unmistakable visual reference of how many people actually died in the war.
As a Viet Nam Vet, I salute you: :patriot:
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If you have been to Antietam, you weren't that far from Gettysburg. Gettysburg is probably the best marked of the Civil War battlefields. I attended a class at Gettysburg College about 10 years ago on Lincoln and spent most of my free time going around the battlefield and didn't see all of it. The wife and I were there in June and a lot of the trees have been cut so it more resembles the battlefield as it was. At the time of the class, the latest body that had been found there that could be identified as a Civil War soldier was in 1997. My point is the battlefields, in many cases, were so vast that, as you say, many historians have the estimate at 700,000. It could be probable since many of the battles were fought around rivers, swamps, and largely deserted areas. Likely as not, many remain unaccounted for. I have a great, great uncle who died, and is buried, at Andersonville and if that many died in less than two years it seems the 620,000 could be low. If you can, go there as it gives an unmistakable visual reference of how many people actually died in the war.
As a Viet Nam Vet, I salute you: :patriot:
Thanks for the compliment.There are other historians who put the figure at the most of 750,000 people dead because of the Confederate dead and other factors. They have tried to re-count the figure in selected companies and regiments because of the unaccounted for and other locations as you mentioned.Here are soldiers using Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons with the new introduction of trench warfare. The Civil War has harbinger of things come in Europe from 1914-1918 .The 620,000 dead figure was based on the war benefits given to widows after the war in 1870. I think the biggest disaster in the Civil War was the SS Slocum explosion. Here are the survivors from the Andersonville horror thinking that they are free and going home and a overloaded steam ship blows up. There was not a full accounting of the dead of the steam ship explosion. A bigger tragedy was on July 1,1916 at the Battle of the Somme when 60,000 soldiers died in a day because the French refused to join the operation.
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The liberal Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2013/11/04/Call-to-duty/stories/201311040025) dares to question The Won:
Call to duty: Obama should go to Gettsyburg as Lincoln did
November 3, 2013 3:15 PM
The powers and duties of the president of the United States are set forth in the Constitution, but there's one not mentioned that nevertheless all great presidents fulfill -- to be the voice of moral conscience for the nation and the ceremonial witness attending its most significant moments.
Abraham Lincoln fulfilled that duty. It took him to Gettysburg, Pa., a few months after a terrible battle had been fought that paved the way for the eventual Union victory in the Civil War. The speech President Lincoln made on Nov. 19, 1863, to dedicate a cemetery to the fallen was the postscript that set the war on a new moral path and the nation to a new birth of freedom.
With the 150th anniversary of the battle fittingly memorialized in July, the commemoration of the Gettysburg Address requires the same noble postscript Lincoln provided. Yet President Barack Obama intends to stay away.
Instead, it has been announced that the administration will send U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell to share the role of keynote speaker with historian James McPherson. Nothing against these distinguished figures, but the president's intention is as mystifying as it is dismaying.
Mr. Obama, a fine orator in his own right, has a well-known interest and affection for Lincoln and took the oath of office on a Bible used by the 16th president. It is an affront to history that the Great Emancipator's memory is being disrespected by one who is the living proof of emancipation's final triumph.
Mr. President, heed the call of duty -- come to Gettysburg on Nov. 19, honor Lincoln and your country. Speak briefly if you wish -- Lincoln did -- but speak.
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Obama is only a 'fine orator' in his teleprompter's own right............not his own right...........
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Obama is only a 'fine orator' in his teleprompter's own right............not his own right...........
The caretaker's house is fairly close to where Lincoln gave the speech so Obama shouldn't have any problem with electricity for his teleprompter. :Odance:
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Not going to Gettysburg is the first decent thing I've seen him do!
Just sayin!
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Barack Obama has no honor. The President of the United States should be there. This is what makes Barack Obama so despicable.
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Not going to Gettysburg is the first decent thing I've seen him do!
Just sayin!
:thumbsup: :mauslaff: