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Title: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: olde north church on January 21, 2014, 10:56:23 am
I'm not much for "girly" men.  I don't associate with them.  Anyway, there seems to be this thing lately among Conservatives about Vlad Poot-Poot. 
"He's a real man!  Hunting and fishing with his shirt off.  Wrestling tigers while we have Mr. Great Gazoo Bike Helmet and "flap hand limp wrist" while two men wrestle on the White House lawn."
Well, they can't all be Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson or Millard Fillmore and we have to take the bad with the good.  So we can't get angry at the Leftists when they talk about dictators "taking charge" when some of our own people have wet dreams about a President Putin.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: EC on January 21, 2014, 01:03:16 pm
I don't think it is so much "he's a real man" though I'd sink a few with him and go hunting happily enough.

Putin is competent. Formidably so. It does have it's appeal after 5 years of failure - even though he's pretty much the opposite of what America stands for. He stands for something. Obama stands for nothing.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Relic on January 21, 2014, 03:08:28 pm
I understand your concern. It does seem a bit unsettling how some online presences glorify Putin.

My comment on Mr. Putin was something like: I know he's a bad guy. I would never want him or someone like him as president. But, I wish our president loved his country the way Putin seems to love his country.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: massadvj on January 21, 2014, 03:22:35 pm
There has been quite a disturbing glorification of Putin among the Paleoconservatives.  I was recently asked to sign a letter lauding Putin's views on morality and tradition from a group of American academic Paleocons.  They are sending people to Sochi with the intent of delivering the letter to Putin personally.  I refused to sign, but was surprised at some of the names of colleagues who did sign it.  I think there is a frustration among Paleo-types with the rapidity of cultural decline, and so they are grasping at straws.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/)
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 03:50:11 pm
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Mr. Great Gazoo Bike Helmet

I resemble that. You must edit out comparing me to the pansy ass mom jeans Obama, riding his bike like pee wee Herman and Richard Simmons all rolled up into one!
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 03:57:41 pm
I'm not much for "girly" men.  I don't associate with them.  Anyway, there seems to be this thing lately among Conservatives about Vlad Poot-Poot. 
"He's a real man!  Hunting and fishing with his shirt off.  Wrestling tigers while we have Mr. Great Gazoo Bike Helmet and "flap hand limp wrist" while two men wrestle on the White House lawn."
Well, they can't all be Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson or Millard Fillmore and we have to take the bad with the good.  So we can't get angry at the Leftists when they talk about dictators "taking charge" when some of our own people have wet dreams about a President Putin.

Personally I think Putin's a jackass who likes to "pretend" he's a manly man.   But hey, I'm just an American Patriot, what do I know?
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 03:59:39 pm

Obama is a pansy ass, get over it.  :rolling: Stop your  :baby:

Obama is known as weak, Putin as strong leaders. Obama is a pansy ass and fails on foreign affairs.

(http://cdn1.ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/putin-obama4/4291095-1-eng-US/putin-obama_lightbox.jpg)

(http://m5.paperblog.com/i/64/648373/putin-gets-his-revenge-on-obama-video-L-P3nJt7.jpeg)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIkiZxCDPVnT1i961SuEsP6btrsCMNo-C0_J2U_KrFf84gn6rX)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTddgv8sed6eapdgWebOFbNkZYBao5kmYndkFrp8YDs-MDWyrA-lA)

Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 04:21:33 pm
Obama is a pansy ass, get over it.  :rolling: Stop your  :baby:

Obama is known as weak, Putin as strong leaders. Obama is a pansy ass and fails on foreign affairs.

(http://cdn1.ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/putin-obama4/4291095-1-eng-US/putin-obama_lightbox.jpg)

(http://m5.paperblog.com/i/64/648373/putin-gets-his-revenge-on-obama-video-L-P3nJt7.jpeg)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIkiZxCDPVnT1i961SuEsP6btrsCMNo-C0_J2U_KrFf84gn6rX)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTddgv8sed6eapdgWebOFbNkZYBao5kmYndkFrp8YDs-MDWyrA-lA)

It's not a question about the "metro-sexual" in US Presidency office.  It's a question about US patriotism and drooling over the former head of the KGB...... but continue on COMRADE.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 04:28:06 pm
BTW if you are referring to Putin getting more respect. Go research wikipedia. Putin beat the communist in the election. Obama is more left than Putin.

Old red China may be pulling our chain appearing less left- as their long spoken plan of turning America communist has come to light. Google the new communism movement in America. You will see the black panthers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Communist_Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Communist_Movement)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nXvScRazg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nXvScRazg)
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 05:09:42 pm
It's not a question about the "metro-sexual" in US Presidency office.  It's a question about US patriotism and drooling over the former head of the KGB...... but continue on COMRADE.

Obama is a gay, bisexual, heterosexual, metrosexual potpourri of pure radicalism. He is everybody to get massive appeal and votes. He totes everything but a gun and Holy Bible. He is a radical black theologian, racist that thrives on divisive race-baiting AND social warfare. He is everybody-Farrakhan, Wright, Lucifer and Alinsky all wrapped into one half-black untouchable package. Kindly, see my last post and go study the political ideology comparison of Obama v. Putin;  before you call me comrade again, fool.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 05:40:57 pm
Obama is a gay, bisexual, heterosexual, metrosexual potpourri of pure radicalism. He is everybody to get massive appeal and votes. He totes everything but a gun and Holy Bible. He is a radical black theologian, racist that thrives on divisive race-baiting AND social warfare. He is everybody-Farrakhan, Wright, Lucifer and Alinsky all wrapped into one half-black untouchable package. Kindly, see my last post and go study the political ideology comparison of Obama v. Putin;  before you call me comrade again, fool.


AGAIN.... FAWNING OVER PUTIN IS UNPATRIOTIC..... PERIOD.    NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE....... COMRADE


No, go find your red shirt and tell us all how much you admire Putin.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: DCPatriot on January 21, 2014, 05:48:29 pm

AGAIN.... FAWNING OVER PUTIN IS UNPATRIOTIC..... PERIOD.    NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE....... COMRADE


No, go find your red shirt and tell us all how much you admire Putin.


You must admit though.....it's peculiar that the Russian leader seems to be more concerned about keeping us out of a Middle East war than our current radical poser in chielf.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 05:57:20 pm

You must admit though.....it's peculiar that the Russian leader seems to be more concerned about keeping us out of a Middle East war than our current radical poser in chielf.

I'm sure he has his reasons, none of which have us in his best interest.  I find the man to be a fake.  Hiding something ugly.

As for Obama..... bring on 2016.  The man has the spine of a jellyfish.  He belongs in the 60's with the rest of the peace, love, and understanding crowd.  This is the real world, and it's much harsher than the world was then.


*addition*   The original post is about all the luv Putin is getting here in the states, and how the original poster is uncomfortable with it (I think that's what they were getting at)   As an American I don't see where I HAVE to make a choice between our leader Mr. Cuddly Squishy and their leader Mr. Ain't I a manly man beast, and have prop photo's to prove it

I'll suffer through the remaining time of this Presidency, spread the conservative word, and cast my vote come 2015.  But I will never, ever turn my back on my country and gush over a Russian president.  Specially this one.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Relic on January 21, 2014, 06:07:42 pm
I'm sure he has his reasons, none of which have us in his best interest.  I find the man to be a fake.  Hiding something sinister.

As for Obama..... bring on 2016.  The man has the spine of a jellyfish.  He belongs in the 60's with the rest of the peace, love, and understanding crowd.  This is the real world, and it's much harsher than the world was then.

2016 holds no relief.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2014, 06:21:46 pm
I will never "gush" over a communist, whether Vlad Putin or Barry Obama. But at least Putin doesn't hate his own country. That's not an expression of admiration for him. It's an expression of just how disgusting and worthless Obama is as president.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Rapunzel on January 21, 2014, 06:26:57 pm
Obama unfortunately represents what too many men have turned into in this country and schools are trying to make certain all boys become as men...
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Olivia on January 21, 2014, 06:36:35 pm
I will never "gush" over a communist, whether Vlad Putin or Barry Obama. But at least Putin doesn't hate his own country. That's not an expression of admiration for him. It's an expression of just how disgusting and worthless Obama is as president.

  goopo
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Chieftain on January 21, 2014, 06:36:54 pm
2016 holds no relief.

Not true.  The midterm Congressional elections are vital to pay attention to, and for the Republicans to get out and support as many new faces in Congress as possible.

Fire them all.  Start fresh.

Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Rapunzel on January 21, 2014, 07:05:45 pm
Not true.  The midterm Congressional elections are vital to pay attention to, and for the Republicans to get out and support as many new faces in Congress as possible.

Fire them all.  Start fresh.

 :amen: :amen:
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 07:18:23 pm
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Obama is a gay, bisexual, heterosexual, metrosexual potpourri of pure radicalism. He is everybody to get massive appeal and votes. He totes everything but a gun and Holy Bible. He is a radical black theologian, racist that thrives on divisive race-baiting AND social warfare. He is everybody-Farrakhan, Wright, Lucifer and Alinsky all wrapped into one half-black untouchable package. Kindly, see my last post and go study the political ideology comparison of Obama v. Putin;  before you call me comrade again, fool.



AGAIN.... FAWNING OVER PUTIN IS UNPATRIOTIC..... PERIOD.    NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE....... COMRADE


No, go find your red shirt and tell us all how much you admire Putin.

You misinterpreted Gazoo's post entirely. Obama is an enemy of the state, who got elected under false pretenses. He does not like America, particularly white Americans. On the other hand, Putin is what he is. He loves his country, and though I don't aspire to his kind of government, Obama does, and more. If Obama were a dictator in any other country, he would be as bad or worse than the current crop. He goes as far as he thinks he can, but would love to go all the way with his distorted philosophy. In that regard, I would take Putin over Obama any day. I am no red shirt, but just as patriotic as you, and as religious. I love my country and so does Gazoo.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on January 21, 2014, 07:30:13 pm
 goopo
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 07:36:20 pm

You misinterpreted Gazoo's post entirely. Obama is an enemy of the state, who got elected under false pretenses. He does not like America, particularly white Americans. On the other hand, Putin is what he is. He loves his country, and though I don't aspire to his kind of government, Obama does, and more. If Obama were a dictator in any other country, he would be as bad or worse than the current crop. He goes as far as he thinks he can, but would love to go all the way with his distorted philosophy. In that regard, I would take Putin over Obama any day. I am no red shirt, but just as patriotic as you, and as religious. I love my country and so does Gazoo.

I really didn't misinterpret anything.  Even if Clay Aiken *god help us all if he were* was in The White House, I would not put Putin above him.  Russia is the enemy, Putin is their leader.

And the OP is exactly about Putin and the press he gets here in the US.  NOT about Obama.  It's exactly the "he's better than...." that is disturbing.  He is the Russian President. Period.

It's the hearts and minds that get overthrown first.  Any endearing of a Russian president is well, a slow walk to the Kremlin
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 07:41:34 pm
It's the hearts and minds that get overthrown first.  Any endearing of a Russian president is well, a slow walk to the Kremlin

Obama is doing just that.  Obama is actively and intentionally trying to destroy America. How do you expect us to react to him? I don't endear myself to Putin, but when you compare him to Obama, Putin is the better man. It hurts to say that, but the truth sometimes hurts.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: EC on January 21, 2014, 07:44:19 pm
Obama is doing just that.  Obama is actively and intentionally trying to destroy America. How do you expect us to react to him? I don't endear myself to Putin, but when you compare him to Obama, Putin is the better man. It hurts to say that, but the truth sometimes hurts.

Yep. I trust Putin far more than Obama, and that is not exactly unique over here.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 07:51:19 pm
It's not a question about the "metro-sexual" in US Presidency office.  It's a question about US patriotism and drooling over the former head of the KGB...... but continue on COMRADE.

Putin was never the head of the KGB, but an underling in the organization as a mid-level agent in the Soviet KGB's foreign intelligence wing.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: olde north church on January 21, 2014, 07:58:36 pm
Let me expand just a bit.  Think about those who consider sharia punishments for murderers, rapists and thieves also.
I think it's a matter of frustration with a system they see as broken.  No responsive and a lack of justice.  Remember those "Death Wish" movies?
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 08:04:46 pm
Obama is doing just that.  Obama is actively and intentionally trying to destroy America. How do you expect us to react to him? I don't endear myself to Putin, but when you compare him to Obama, Putin is the better man. It hurts to say that, but the truth sometimes hurts.

I understand "the progression of a conversation".  Just to get that straight.
But the OP was not comparing Putin to Obama.

I don't feel the need to compare them either.  Why so many conservatives do feel the need is confounding.
Why must they "sleep with the enemy" in order to show their dissatisfaction?  It goes against everything I believe in.  Sorry.  Just the way I am.  I don't feel the need to say a damn thing nice about some commie just to show my disgust with our own politics.

And I feel it unpatriotic to do so. 

but y'all carry on..... it's a slow walk to the Kremlin but the distance is getting shorter and shorter

Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 08:09:10 pm
Let me expand just a bit.  Think about those who consider sharia punishments for murderers, rapists and thieves also.
I think it's a matter of frustration with a system they see as broken.  No responsive and a lack of justice.  Remember those "Death Wish" movies?

 :beer:

Very good point!!!
Just because what you have isn't working for you, doesn't mean you jump to the side of the enemy. 

*and point taken on the Putin thing, I may be slow to concede but when I do I'll admit it*

 :pondering:
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 08:10:01 pm
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but y'all carry on..... it's a slow walk to the Kremlin but the distance is getting shorter and shorter

This is a conservative, patriotic site. Your insults are getting old, particularly when you lack critical thinking skills to delve into what posters are actually saying, and interpret them in an unflattering light. We have an evil man as president, and the comparison does not make Putin look better, but makes Obama's ideology stand out for the what he really is. It is not a compliment for the president of the U.S. to be compared to Putin. The entire world sees, what you prefer to deny.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: olde north church on January 21, 2014, 08:15:45 pm
This is a conservative, patriotic site. Your insults are getting old, particularly when you lack critical thinking skills to delve into what posters are actually saying, and interpret them in an unflattering light. We have an evil man as president, and the comparison does not make Putin look better, but makes Obama's ideology stand out for the what he really is. It is not a compliment for the president of the U.S. to be compared to Putin. The entire world sees, what you prefer to deny.

That was my point and it's a bit frightening.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 08:37:05 pm
This is a conservative, patriotic site. Your insults are getting old, particularly when you lack critical thinking skills to delve into what posters are actually saying, and interpret them in an unflattering light. We have an evil man as president, and the comparison does not make Putin look better, but makes Obama's ideology stand out for the what he really is. It is not a compliment for the president of the U.S. to be compared to Putin. The entire world sees, what you prefer to deny.

Ah the old "you lack critical thinking skills" mantra.  When will those like you ever get a new line.

And as much as I see the point ONC is making, I don't see why it's OK to have a "crush" on a Russian President as many do.

If what I'm saying is offensive, you should ask yourself why?  Why are you so offended with this?  Do you question why you are even comparing the two.   I don't give a hoot what the rest of the world thinks.  I do care about fellow Americans elevating a Russian President though.  It's wrong.  Period.

But as in ONC's point was clearly showing... it's wrong to even entertain sharia law even though our own legal system is broken.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2014, 08:38:12 pm
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I don't see why it's OK to have a "crush" on a Russian President as many do.
There are two pages of responses. How many people here declared a crush on Putin?
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 08:38:20 pm
That was my point and it's a bit frightening.

It is frightening. I know exactly what you mean. Happy did an excellent job of explaining for me in my absence.
It is a very in-depth geo-political discussion that certain people need to study before throwing about names at people such as comrade

It is utterly ridiculous to call anyone comrade in this discussion.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 08:42:40 pm
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If what I'm saying is offensive, you should ask yourself why?  Why are you so offended with this?  Do you question why you are even comparing the two.   I don't give a hoot what the rest of the world thinks.

I'm not offended, but find your assertions ridiculous, that doesn't even come close to describing the posters, including myself. It is you who is missing the point, and you who have your panties in a wad without merit. We are on the same page politically, but express ourselves differently, and that is what is offensive to you, not me.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: EC on January 21, 2014, 08:57:14 pm
It is utterly ridiculous to call anyone comrade in this discussion.

I dunno - I'd call you comrade and share a foxhole with you (No peeking during "private time!" It's a bit gross for both parties.)

Lighten up folks?
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: aligncare on January 21, 2014, 09:01:21 pm
I work with Russians, Georgians and others from the former Soviet Union. They're a great bunch of people. They're freedom loving capitalists and are hard-working and inventive. Americans have much in common with them.

Russia is not the enemy, the former Soviet Union was. In fact, I would venture that today America is more like the former Soviet Union then contemporary Russia is. Among other things they are not hamstrung with political correctness nor do they try to shut out religious expression among the people like our government does.

Today Russia and America have a common enemy, radical Islam. Ever wonder why Russia also has an Islam problem? It's because of modernity. Russia embraces modernity and Islam wants to force the modern world back to the dark ages.

If you stop looking at Russia through the old Cold War prism you'll see a people with a lot in common with us. They could end up being one of our best friends in the region.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: LambChop on January 21, 2014, 09:04:28 pm
You know what's frightening and offensive?  That more people don't have this reaction:

There has been quite a disturbing glorification of Putin among the Paleoconservatives.  I was recently asked to sign a letter lauding Putin's views on morality and tradition from a group of American academic Paleocons.  They are sending people to Sochi with the intent of delivering the letter to Putin personally.  I refused to sign, but was surprised at some of the names of colleagues who did sign it.  I think there is a frustration among Paleo-types with the rapidity of cultural decline, and so they are grasping at straws.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/)

But instead have this reaction:

Obama is a pansy ass, get over it.  :rolling: Stop your  :baby:

Obama is known as weak, Putin as strong leaders. Obama is a pansy ass and fails on foreign affairs.

(http://cdn1.ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/putin-obama4/4291095-1-eng-US/putin-obama_lightbox.jpg)

(http://m5.paperblog.com/i/64/648373/putin-gets-his-revenge-on-obama-video-L-P3nJt7.jpeg)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIkiZxCDPVnT1i961SuEsP6btrsCMNo-C0_J2U_KrFf84gn6rX)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTddgv8sed6eapdgWebOFbNkZYBao5kmYndkFrp8YDs-MDWyrA-lA)


When all the OP did was bring up the fact that they are a little bothered by the glorification of Vlad Poot-Poot.

I understand your points... you're dissatisfied with our current political culture.... the point you all fail to recognize, whether on purpose or not, is that it's a slow but sure way of swinging a country around to the other side.... don't like what you've got, hey look what we've got here.  A shirtless manly man who wrestles tigers *prop* and hunts *prop* and all sorts of stuff.  And he's very conservative too.  *wink wink* 

It's all superficial BS.   And I find it offensive to speak positively of Putin over the USA.  Period.


But hey.... as I've been told, I lack critical thinking skills... so no point in carrying on.  You all have a nice day.

Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2014, 09:06:53 pm
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the point you all fail to recognize, whether on purpose or not, is that it's a slow but sure way of swinging a country around to the other side.... don't like what you've got, hey look what we've got here.
We realize it just fine. No one here has said we wish Putin was our president.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 09:20:10 pm
I work with Russians, Georgians and others from the former Soviet Union. They're a great bunch of people. They're freedom loving capitalists and are hard-working and inventive. Americans have much in common with them.

Russia is not the enemy, the former Soviet Union was. In fact, I would venture that today America is more like the former Soviet Union then contemporary Russia is. Among other things they are not hamstrung with political correctness nor do they try to shut out religious expression among the people like our government does.

Today Russia and America have a common enemy, radical Islam. Ever wonder why Russia also has an Islam problem? It's because of modernity. Russia embraces modernity and Islam wants to force the modern world back to the dark ages.

If you stop looking at Russia through the old Cold War prism you'll see a people with a lot in common with us. They could end up being one of our best friends in the region.

Applause. Very well said! There is always the but though...

but Putin was former KGB and communist.

They all were though when it comes down to it. Once a commie always a commie? or not?

The American progressive liberals in 2008 (before Obama) loved to throw up in discussion; that we are way past the cold war of communism in Russia and we live in the 50's all because we wanted to show strong leadership. It is odd, that now I find the progressive liberals in vile hate of Russia because Putin banned the rainbow flag. If you study demoralization; promoting gay causes is paramount to communism. Putin is doing the opposite and Obama and the progressive dems are the new communist.  Some seem to love to scream the word communist regarding the former Soviet Union, Yet they fail to see what is right in front of their faces with the progressives in America.

DISCLAIMER: I don't care if someone is gay, nor do I care what anyone does in their bedroom but promoting homosexuality as a form of a religion  like a cult in politics; is progressive politics in demoralization.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 21, 2014, 09:20:33 pm
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Ah the old "you lack critical thinking skills" mantra.

I didn't mean to imply you lack critical thinking skills in the normal sense, but when it relates to the posters on this site. Once you get to know them, you get a better idea about where they are coming from. I prefer to think most BR posters have the best of intentions, rather than throw them to the dogs. Using terms like red shirts and comrades are intentional insults and don't apply here.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: mystery-ak on January 21, 2014, 09:24:15 pm
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Using terms like red shirts and comrades are intentional insults and don't apply here.



....worth repeating
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: DCPatriot on January 21, 2014, 10:02:01 pm
I really didn't misinterpret anything.  Even if Clay Aiken *god help us all if he were* was in The White House, I would not put Putin above him.  Russia is the enemy, Putin is their leader.

And the OP is exactly about Putin and the press he gets here in the US.  NOT about Obama.  It's exactly the "he's better than...." that is disturbing.  He is the Russian President. Period.

It's the hearts and minds that get overthrown first.  Any endearing of a Russian president is well, a slow walk to the Kremlin

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, LC. but I disagree.

Sometimes in using Putin in contrast to our Dear Leader, we highlight his unbridled love of his country and for his people.

Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Rapunzel on January 21, 2014, 10:15:29 pm
In the New Yorker interview last weekend, Obama mocked AQ and basically dared them to attack us.  Our President is stupid to the dangers radical Islam is to the world, Putin recognizes it.  In that regard I do wish our president was more like Putin.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 10:29:25 pm
You know what's frightening and offensive?  That more people don't have this reaction:

But instead have this reaction:


When all the OP did was bring up the fact that they are a little bothered by the glorification of Vlad Poot-Poot.

I understand your points... you're dissatisfied with our current political culture.... the point you all fail to recognize, whether on purpose or not, is that it's a slow but sure way of swinging a country around to the other side.... don't like what you've got, hey look what we've got here.  A shirtless manly man who wrestles tigers *prop* and hunts *prop* and all sorts of stuff.  And he's very conservative too.  *wink wink* 

It's all superficial BS.   And I find it offensive to speak positively of Putin over the USA.  Period.


But hey.... as I've been told, I lack critical thinking skills... so no point in carrying on.  You all have a nice day.

I don't know you at all. You don't know me at all. If you looked at my post history you would see I don't like to argue and pick fights over inane silly crap  like you do. You are all over the place in your post history and seem to always rue over everyone. You are not worth the time it took for me to post this.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: olde north church on January 21, 2014, 10:51:28 pm
I don't know you at all. You don't know me at all. If you looked at my post history you would see I don't like to argue and pick fights over inane silly crap  like you do. You are all over the place in your post history and seem to always rue over everyone. You are not worth the time it took for me to post this.

I forgot all about you Gazoo (gesunheit!) but it wasn't purposeful, trust me.  The head gear thing.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 21, 2014, 11:09:14 pm
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Wrestling tigers while we have Mr. Great Gazoo Bike Helmet

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Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: flowers on January 22, 2014, 12:01:55 am
In the New Yorker interview last weekend, Obama mocked AQ
I saw that. Why would did he do that? Yep I know he is a childish  pile. But why did he do that? Is AQ his muzzie bros enemy's?
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: happyg on January 22, 2014, 12:03:25 am
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Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Rapunzel on January 22, 2014, 12:21:42 am
I saw that. Why would did he do that? Yep I know he is a childish  pile. But why did he do that? Is AQ his muzzie bros enemy's?

The State Department is allowing MB's into the country without checking them out first, he really is trying to see to it we are attacked again.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 22, 2014, 12:33:11 pm
The State Department is allowing MB's into the country without checking them out first, he really is trying to see to it we are attacked again.

It is surreal. Obama is also releasing Guantanamo terrorist prisoners. I guess the million dollar soccer field and state of the art court house  with central air conditioning for military tribunals, was not good enough. Obama is usurping the military tribunal decisions via EO, not only letting terrorists free. But the same al-qaeda terrorist(s) that attacked Benghazi.  No wonder the NYTimes lied for Obama regarding the Benghazi story. They knew this info. was coming out. No one cares or is talking about this.

But Romney has a horse and Christie closed a bridge.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 22, 2014, 12:57:55 pm
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Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: olde north church on January 22, 2014, 01:00:49 pm
It is surreal. Obama is also releasing Guantanamo terrorist prisoners. I guess the million dollar soccer field and state of the art court house  with central air conditioning for military tribunals, was not good enough. Obama is usurping the military tribunal decisions via EO, not only letting terrorists free. But the same al-qaeda terrorist(s) that attacked Benghazi.  No wonder the NYTimes lied for Obama regarding the Benghazi story. They knew this info. was coming out. No one cares or is talking about this.

But Romney has a horse and Christie closed a bridge.

But how many people bitched and continue to bitch about both?  Who needs enemies with friends like these?  Short time gain for long term pain.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on January 22, 2014, 01:17:04 pm
There has been quite a disturbing glorification of Putin among the Paleoconservatives.  I was recently asked to sign a letter lauding Putin's views on morality and tradition from a group of American academic Paleocons.  They are sending people to Sochi with the intent of delivering the letter to Putin personally.  I refused to sign, but was surprised at some of the names of colleagues who did sign it.  I think there is a frustration among Paleo-types with the rapidity of cultural decline, and so they are grasping at straws.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-paleoconservative-moment/)

Perhaps it is because Putin governs the way that paleoconservatives would like to govern, which is a commentary on paleoconservative values as a whole.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: aligncare on January 22, 2014, 01:21:42 pm
It is surreal ...

Obama is usurping the military tribunal ...

No one cares or is talking about this.

But Romney has a horse and Christie closed a bridge.

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is politics.

I can stand just so much of it – then the part of my brain still sane wants out!
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on January 22, 2014, 01:22:31 pm

You misinterpreted Gazoo's post entirely. Obama is an enemy of the state, who got elected under false pretenses. He does not like America, particularly white Americans. On the other hand, Putin is what he is. He loves his country, and though I don't aspire to his kind of government, Obama does, and more. If Obama were a dictator in any other country, he would be as bad or worse than the current crop. He goes as far as he thinks he can, but would love to go all the way with his distorted philosophy. In that regard, I would take Putin over Obama any day. I am no red shirt, but just as patriotic as you, and as religious. I love my country and so does Gazoo.

I can get my head around a politician who appears to honestly believe in the things he says he believes in, no matter how much I disagree with those beliefs, than one who lies about their beliefs to my face, while acting in a manner that exposes his lies.

Obama talks out one side of his mouth and governs out of the other, and however one feels about Putin, IMHO, the ONE thing I can say about the guy is that I know exactly what he stands for because he tells us what he stands for, and he owns those stances.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: massadvj on January 22, 2014, 02:34:04 pm
I can get my head around a politician who appears to honestly believe in the things he says he believes in, no matter how much I disagree with those beliefs, than one who lies about their beliefs to my face, while acting in a manner that exposes his lies.

Obama talks out one side of his mouth and governs out of the other, and however one feels about Putin, IMHO, the ONE thing I can say about the guy is that I know exactly what he stands for because he tells us what he stands for, and he owns those stances.

I don't agree that Putin always tells us what he stands for.  He is a "political animal" and no political animal is without an agenda.  It behooves us to keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: DCPatriot on January 22, 2014, 02:40:20 pm
I don't agree that Putin always tells us what he stands for.  He is a "political animal" and no political animal is without an agenda.  It behooves us to keep that in mind.

The enemy of my enemy is my "friend".
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: EC on January 22, 2014, 02:51:29 pm
I don't agree that Putin always tells us what he stands for.  He is a "political animal" and no political animal is without an agenda.  It behooves us to keep that in mind.

Wisely put. Any politician is going to engage in a certain amount of calculation. If they don't they are not doing their job. Putin is, however, remarkably consistent in his statements and his approach to both governing and policy.
His approach reminds me a heck of a lot of Margaret Thatcher, though he differs widely in his policies.
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on January 22, 2014, 03:00:46 pm
I don't agree that Putin always tells us what he stands for.  He is a "political animal" and no political animal is without an agenda.  It behooves us to keep that in mind.

It appears that no matter what, he puts Russia first, he advances the idea of Russian exceptionalism. He also probably believes that he is the best thing for Russia right now. That's consistent with leadership.

Obama on the other hand acts in a strikingly opposite manner by seldom seeming to have America and/or her interests first in his mind and actions, but rather an agenda for America to achieve his personal ideological goals.

 
Title: Re: Just a note about something that's bothered me
Post by: Gazoo on January 25, 2014, 12:56:10 pm
Romney: 'Putin has outperformed our president time and time again' | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/24/romney-destrominates-obama-putin-has-outperformed-our-president-time-and-time-again/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/24/romney-destrominates-obama-putin-has-outperformed-our-president-time-and-time-again/)