Once again Roberts sides with the libs...
I have no issue whatsoever with the principle that government cannot place an "undue burden" on the exercise of a Constitutional right. But will they apply the same principle to the 2A right?
There is no constitutional right to take another's life except by due process, just cause, or in the defense of self and others.
That government sanctions the taking of life without due process or just cause is the single most glaring abuse of the Constitution in modern times.
Again, when it really matters, Roberts tilts left. You can bank on it.
We need to investigate to see who or what organization is blackmailing the Chief Justice. This is beyond suspicion.
A fetus has no Constitutional rights.
If the most innocent among us have no rights, then neither do we. Calling a baby a fetus does not change the reality.
Roberts is on the right, conservative side here - a Constitutional right is meaningless if activist government can construct an arbitrary contrivance to keep that right from being freely exercised.
Bet y'all will agree with me when the right being taken away is your gun right.
You really think Roberts won't be on the liberal side on that, too.
He's a Liberal, Deal with it!
Roberts is on the right, conservative side here - a Constitutional right is meaningless if activist government can construct an arbitrary contrivance to keep that right from being freely exercised.
Bet y'all will agree with me when the right being taken away is your gun right.
If the most innocent among us have no rights, then neither do we. Calling a baby a fetus does not change the reality.
He's a conservative and always has been.
Then make your case. Just don't demand that government impose your moral values on others. Some folks feel it's abhorrent that you own a bunch of guns. But you still have the right to decide that for yourself.
The abortion issue has the uncanny ability to make both right and left appear as hypocrites
Then make your case. Just don't demand that government impose your moral values on others. Some folks feel it's abhorrent that you own a bunch of guns. But you still have the right to decide that for yourself.Easy case to make my friend. Open a Bible for once in your life and you'll see the answer.
The abortion issue has the uncanny ability to make both right and left appear as hypocrites
A fetus has no Constitutional rights. Women do. Gun owners do. The principle at stake - that a Constitutional right is not subject to arbitrary government action that unduly burdens that right - is sound as a pound. But both left and right are utterly cynical about applying the principal selectively, only to the rights they favor.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
He's a conservative and always has been. The abortion issue exposes conservatives as hypocrites, just as the gun issue exposes liberals as hypocrites.
Once again Roberts sides with the libs...
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
John Roberts, a Bush appointee, is a disgrace. He sides with leftist socialists who hate America over the unborn. People like John Roberts are why we are losing our country.
I have no issue whatsoever with the principle that government cannot place an "undue burden" on the exercise of a Constitutional right. But will they apply the same principle to the 2A right?
There is no constitutional right to take another's life except by due process, just cause, or in the defense of self and others.
@roamer_1
And THAT is why abortion must NEVER be outlawed.
The problem with this whole argument is the "self-styled purists" on both sides refuse to budge an inch,so there will never be any compromise. Without compromise,nothing will ever change.
Again, when it really matters, Roberts tilts left. You can bank on it..
We need to investigate to see who or what organization is blackmailing the Chief Justice. This is beyond suspicion.
If They Weren't Before, Conservatives are Officially Done With Justice John Roberts
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/06/29/if-they-werent-before-conservatives-are-officially-done-with-justice-john-roberts-n2571522
@sneakypete
It is not defense of self to kill a baby.
If the most innocent among us have no rights, then neither do we. Calling a baby a fetus does not change the reality.
He's a conservative and always has been.
I have an idea to get Democrats to become "Pro-Life", suggest all pregnant black women on Welfare get abortions.
That IS the case. You're killing babies. A sacrificial offering to Molech, just as horrendous as laying them in his red hot arms... You cannot justify it with the absurdities of political speech and supposed science. It is what it is. A sacrifice of life to continue fornication without consequence."Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams"
@mystery-ak
The only thing that surprises me about this is that people are still pretending to be surprised by it.
I was ranting and raving about this closested homo with the adopted children from Argentina being a VERY high blackmail risk right after he was nominated.
That's the problem. Both sides have their ground staked out,and there is never going to be any compromise. It is either "abortion on demand right up to the instant of birth",or "abortion is illegal even if it is an established fact the mother will die if she gives live birth."
There IS no middle ground amongst the powers that drive either side.
@roamer_1
DAMN THOSE HEATHENS TO HELL!
Hoo de hell they think they are,anyhow,running around out there poking fun at will like free people,anyhow? I say we burn them at the stake,causen that be whut our kind and luving gentle Jesus wood want!
To a degree that's right @sneakypete ... Because the other side has already been treated moderately from the get-go. And from that moderation - legal abortion signed by a panel of doctors proving the life of the mother was at stake - came a rubber-stamping panel that approved any abortion at all.
You should read the reasonable means that Reagan set forth as governor of CA.
Likewise the position of the Conservative Right for YEARS allowed compromise in rape, incest, and the life of the mother... Even for an egregiously defective child whose life would not have quality, and whose life would be a burden... All of these were at points in time, 'settled on' and would have been considered as worthy compromises - Even on the Christian Right.
@sneakypete
RIGHT... In the words of John Adams, encapsulating the motive of our founding fathers.
I will gladly take his opinion on the matter over yours.
And he IS right - Every single issue tearing this nation down is a moral issue, where the moral wisdom and fortitude of our fathers have been subjugated to what once was called evil...
@roamer_1
Everything looks like kindling to an arsonist.
@roamer_1
We can both agree that what we both wrote makes sense,and it won't make any more difference than a rain drop in a flood. The sad,sad truth is BOTH sides have too much emotional ego wrapped up in "winning",so this nightmare will continue.
There is no such critter as a rational agreement on a uber-emotional subject. It just ain't going to happen. Sooner or later one side will have the political horsepower to dominate the other,and a new law will be written,and the argument will start all over again from scratch.
I seriously doubt anybody from either side is happy about it,but there it is.
Then make your case. Just don't demand that government impose your moral values on others. Some folks feel it's abhorrent that you own a bunch of guns. But you still have the right to decide that for yourself.
The abortion issue has the uncanny ability to make both right and left appear as hypocrites
Robert's views his role as CJ to quote him during his confirmation hearing was to act as an umpire "calling balls and strikes."
??? He's been voting consistently liberal. Please explain how the abortion issue makes conservatives hypocrites?
Hi @Jazzhead , I hope you and yours are well considering the still-evolving COVID crisis.
I think the case here is twofold :
- RKBA is quite literally a Constitutional right; it is explicitly written therein. Of course people will argue (as I think you have at times) that the predicate clause is significant; nevertheless, one can make no argument that there is no RKBA. Abortion on the other hand quite literally is not a Constitutional right. It's simply not there; Roe is just another example of, at best, penumbral reasoning. One could argue that it's encompassed by the 10A, but that enables at least as valid an argument that a state can legislate against abortion as that the FedGov has a role in protecting women from a state doing so.
- The case for the legality of abortion is essentially the same as was the case for the legality of slavery - it is advantageous for one group of people to assert that another group of people is something less than human, and consequently lack rights, so the former group makes that assertion. As was the case with slavery for almost 80 years, the law sides with the more powerful group, conspiring against the less powerful, even as the more powerful argue that their interests are a positive moral good, and in fact a better outcome for the less powerful themselves. Just as the reasoning was repugnant in the day of Dred Scott, so it is repugnant in this day of Roe, and identifying the "right" to kill a genetically distinct human being on the grounds of inconvenience is no more compelling than was arguing for the "right" to own some other human being because he was of an "inferior" race.
On a purely practical basis, the challenge to the Louisiana law is risible in its transparent inconsistency. Pro-abortion advocates regularly position the practice as "health care" for women, and they argue that it must be safe. So to preserve that safety we must now forego admitting privileges for abortion providers; apparently women are made safer by a lower standard of care.
I admire your striving for consistency, but Justice Blackmun denying the right of the unborn to live no more makes abortion a right than did Justice Taney denying the right of Dred Scott to sue made slavery a right.
@sneakypete
That's fine and all, and largely right.
But the fault is not on the Christian Right, which offered legitimate compromises...