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Title: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: sinkspur on July 24, 2016, 04:24:24 am
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Is Donald Trump a Racist?


JULY 23, 2016

Nicholas Kristof

HAS the party of Lincoln just nominated a racist to be president? We shouldn’t toss around such accusations lightly, so I’ve looked back over more than 40 years of Donald Trump’s career to see what the record says.

One early red flag arose in 1973, when President Richard Nixon’s Justice Department — not exactly the radicals of the day — sued Trump and his father, Fred Trump, for systematically discriminating against blacks in housing rentals.

I’ve waded through 1,021 pages of documents from that legal battle, and they are devastating. Donald Trump was then president of the family real estate firm, and the government amassed overwhelming evidence that the company had a policy of discriminating against blacks, including those serving in the military.

To prove the discrimination, blacks were repeatedly dispatched as testers to Trump apartment buildings to inquire about vacancies, and white testers were sent soon after. Repeatedly, the black person was told that nothing was available, while the white tester was shown apartments for immediate rental.

A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks.


Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate.

In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father. Fred Trump appears to have been arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1927; Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Trump property in the 1950s, lambasted Fred Trump in recently discovered papers for stirring racial hatred.

Yet even if Donald Trump inherited his firm’s discriminatory policies, he allied himself decisively in the 1970s housing battle against the civil rights movement.

Another revealing moment came in 1989, when New York City was convulsed by the “Central Park jogger” case, a rape and beating of a young white woman. Five black and Latino teenagers were arrested.

Trump stepped in, denounced Mayor Ed Koch’s call for peace and bought full-page newspaper ads calling for the death penalty. The five teenagers spent years in prison before being exonerated. In retrospect, they suffered a modern version of a lynching, and Trump played a part in whipping up the crowds.

As Trump moved into casinos, discrimination followed. In the 1980s, according to a former Trump casino worker, Kip Brown, who was quoted by The New Yorker: “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor. … They put us all in the back.”

In 1991, a book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump as criticizing a black accountant and saying: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord.

Trump eventually denied making those comments. But in 1997 in a Playboy interview, he conceded “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

The recent record may be more familiar: Trump’s suggestions that President Obama was born in Kenya; his insinuations that Obama was admitted to Ivy League schools only because of affirmative action; his denunciations of Mexican immigrants as, “in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists”; his calls for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States; his dismissal of an American-born judge of Mexican ancestry as a Mexican who cannot fairly hear his case; his reluctance to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan in a television interview; his retweet of a graphic suggesting that 81 percent of white murder victims are killed by blacks (the actual figure is about 15 percent); and so on.

Trump has also retweeted messages from white supremacists or Nazi sympathizers, including two from an account called @WhiteGenocideTM with a photo of the American Nazi Party’s founder.

Trump repeatedly and vehemently denies any racism, and he has deleted some offensive tweets. The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi racist website that has endorsed Trump, sees that as going “full-wink-wink-wink.”

My view is that “racist” can be a loaded word, a conversation stopper more than a clarifier, and that we should be careful not to use it simply as an epithet. Moreover, Muslims and Latinos can be of any race, so some of those statements technically reflect not so much racism as bigotry. It’s also true that with any single statement, it is possible that Trump misspoke or was misconstrued.

And yet.

Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism.


Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 24, 2016, 04:25:50 am
NO!!

!-wink wink wink
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: HonestJohn on July 24, 2016, 04:42:26 am
Who would have thought!
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: billva on July 24, 2016, 04:45:20 am
That is a desperate attempt by a writer to demonize Trump and an even more desperate attempt by the poster to do the same.

Really sad.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Chosen Daughter on July 24, 2016, 05:13:05 am
That is a desperate attempt by a writer to demonize Trump and an even more desperate attempt by the poster to do the same.

Really sad.

 I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord.

If Trump hadn't said it they wouldn't have anything to write about would they?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: truth_seeker on July 24, 2016, 05:14:32 am
That is a desperate attempt by a writer to demonize Trump and an even more desperate attempt by the poster to do the same.

Really sad.
#nevertrumps, democrats use identical  news articles/sources and talking points
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Mesaclone on July 24, 2016, 05:23:05 am
They are now fully aligned. Sink, how much of that Clinton cash you getting for parroting Dem talking points? I hope it's substantial given your productivity on their behalf.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: DB on July 24, 2016, 05:41:35 am
They are now fully aligned. Sink, how much of that Clinton cash you getting for parroting Dem talking points? I hope it's substantial given your productivity on their behalf.

You been drinking again?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: HonestJohn on July 24, 2016, 05:47:39 am
#nevertrumps, democrats use identical  news articles/sources and talking points

...and you didn't refute the points, either.

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Hoodat on July 24, 2016, 05:50:26 am
Quote from: Kristof
I’ve waded through 1,021 pages of documents from that legal battle, and they are devastating. Donald Trump was then president of the family real estate firm, and the government amassed overwhelming evidence that the company had a policy of discriminating against blacks, including those serving in the military.

To prove the discrimination, blacks were repeatedly dispatched as testers to Trump apartment buildings to inquire about vacancies, and white testers were sent soon after. Repeatedly, the black person was told that nothing was available, while the white tester was shown apartments for immediate rental.

A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks.

Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate.

Let me see if I got this right.  Lee Harvey Oswald appearing in the same photo who may or may not have been Rafael Cruz proves that Cruz helped assassinate JFK.  Yet 1,021 pages of certified legal documents only show that Trump is the victim of a smear?  Please.

It's good that we had a Republican President at the time who used the Justice Department to go after racist Democrats like the Trumps.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 24, 2016, 05:52:30 am
They are now fully aligned. Sink, how much of that Clinton cash you getting for parroting Dem talking points? I hope it's substantial given your productivity on their behalf.
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." - Sun Tzu

I doubt you know yourself, but it is even clearer you do not know your enemy.  I believe I know Sinkspur.  He is a man who is dumbfounded by the stupidity of the people he once called his allies.  He recognizes a charlatan who is hellbent of destroying the party he has called his own for 30, or maybe 40 years.

You would do well to show some sympathy.  I have a great deal of sympathy for you,
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Hoodat on July 24, 2016, 06:06:27 am
#nevertrumps, democrats use identical  news articles/sources and talking points

Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Crazieman on July 24, 2016, 06:08:38 am
Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.

You rock, Hoodat.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: LMAO on July 24, 2016, 06:16:28 am
 :th_10444:
Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.

And, if I might add, if Trump stays true to form, he will respond to every media story that's negative towards him and be too busy to go after Hillary. Well, between setting up his Super Pac to go after conservatives and responding to every media story doesn't leave a guy much time to go after her.....LOL

But, the media would be doing this to any GOP candidate. The problem with Trump is there's so much for them to work with
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 24, 2016, 06:21:51 am
Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.

Clearly you are employed by the anti-white media.  We don't need no logic here!

As long as all the voters only read the New-American, who gives a crap what the NYT says?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: DB on July 24, 2016, 07:04:36 am
Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.

Excellent summary. Trump will be a target rich environment from here on out and they should have known better.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 07:06:48 am
he, his father and his company have paid some hefty fines for discrimination but I dunno if he is a racist, it might be that he was just thinking those people were all "losers"
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: INVAR on July 24, 2016, 07:51:11 am
Hold on just a minute here.  We have been telling you for months - MONTHS - that the MSM would unleash a torrent of articles just like this one as soon as Trump officially became the nominee.  Well guess what?  It's now time.  So get used to it.  Your fatally flawed candidate is going to get torched in the exact same papers and media outlets that have been propping him up for the past year.  The fix has been in since Spring 2015.  And we told you so again and again and again and again and again.  We told you this would happen, but you didn't listen.  We told you that Trump was a Democrat with a typical Democrat past, but you didn't listen.  We told you that the Clintons set this whole thing up, but you didn't listen.  We told you we would never vote for a liberal like Trump, but you didn't listen.

And now for the next three months, we will have to listen to you blame us because your splendid hydrogen-filled graf zeppelin caught fire and turned its passengers into ashes even though we warned you for a year to use helium.

If this reporter can comb through a thousand pages of court filings to write one story, just think what a bunch of DNC lawyers will be able to find.  Which is why YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOMINATE DEMOCRATS LIKE TRUMP TO LEAD YOUR PARTY.  Even a fifth-grader could figure that one out.

It doesn't get any more succinct than that.

The blame for what is going to happen is squarely on their shoulders and that of the dead GOP.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: Rivergirl on July 24, 2016, 08:46:24 am
Notice how quickly the RNC jumped out and proclaimed that they would NEVER EVER support the candidate David Duke.   Of course, they never ever could find the courage to say that they would never ever support the madman Donald Trump.   Never mind that Trump would not disavow Duke's support of himself,
Money talks, conscience walks. away.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: TomSea on July 24, 2016, 12:43:40 pm
Our society has gone so politically correct.

One could listen to some Richard Pryor and say that it's racist.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: TomSea on July 24, 2016, 02:01:56 pm
Funny how the writer missed these kinds of incidences in his research wink, wink:
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Donald Trump Fought to Include Jews and Blacks at Palm Beach Golf Course in 1990s

In July 2015, author Ronald Kessler was interviewed by Newsmax about the business practices of GOP presidential frontrunner Donald Trump in regards to building a golf course in the south.

    “When Donald opened his club in Palm Beach called Mar-a-Lago, he insisted on accepting Jews and blacks even though other clubs in Palm Beach to this day discriminate against blacks and Jews,” Kessler said. “The old guard in Palm Beach was outraged that Donald would accept blacks and Jews so that’s the real Donald Trump that I know.”

More: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2016/03/18/donald-trump-fought-to-include-jews-and-blacks-at-palm-beach-golf-course-in-1990s.html
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: EC on July 24, 2016, 02:09:23 pm
Our society has gone so politically correct.

One could listen to some Richard Pryor and say that it's racist.

People have.  :shrug:

Anyone (and most things) is racist to the macro mouthed and micro brained permanently offended class.
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: DB on July 24, 2016, 08:47:24 pm
Funny how the writer missed these kinds of incidences in his research wink, wink:

What do you call a man that says he can't get a fair trial because the judge is "Mexican" even though the judge was born in the USA?
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 24, 2016, 08:54:45 pm
You rock, Hoodat.
:amen:
 :beer:
Title: Re: Is Donald Trump a Racist?
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 08:59:13 pm
Funny how the writer missed these kinds of incidences in his research wink, wink:

Who was he fighting? It was his club and he makes the rules. So, who exactly was he fighting against?