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Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries
By Tal Axelrod - 01/24/20 06:56 PM EST
A prominent veterans advocacy group is asking President Trump for an apology over his remarks on injuries suffered by U.S. troops stationed at a military base in Iraq that was hit by Iranian airstrikes earlier this month.
Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) said Trump “minimized†the injuries the troops suffered after the Pentagon announced that dozens of U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries (TBI). Trump had referred to the injuries as “headaches" and "not very serious" earlier in the week.
“In light of today's announcement from the defense department that 34 U.S. service members suffered traumatic brain injuries as a result of Iran's retaliatory strike and President Trump's remarks which minimized these troops’ injuries, the Veterans of Foreign Wars cannot stand idle on this matter,†VFW National Commander William “Doc†Schmitz said in a statement.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/479859-veterans-group-asks-for-apology-from-trump-over-comments-on-brain-injuries
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Read the article and watch the vid of words, not of context.
of Trump's complete remarks at the link, and NOT this negative ccherrypicked hit piece.
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Read the article and watch the vid of words, not of context.
of Trump's complete remarks at the link, and NOT this negative ccherrypicked hit piece.
I listened to the video. Second time. How dare he? How dare he decide whether someone's brain injury is serious? Of course losing an arm or a leg is a serious injury. Any injury is, but brain injuries are very serious. Would the president like to live with one? Severe headaches for the rest of his life. Loss of memory. Losing the ability to function normally. He isn't a doctor, and neither am I but I can say a brain injury is serious.
Imagine being the spouse or family member of someone who could face a debilitating life with long term brain function problems? And having the president belittle the struggle that lies ahead for them.
What a moron.
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TBI
https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/related_conditions/traumatic-brain-injury (https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/related_conditions/traumatic-brain-injury)
Symptoms of Mild TBI
A person with a mild TBI may experience:
Headache
Confusion
Lightheadedness
Dizziness
Blurred vision
Ringing in the ears
Tiredness or sleepiness
A bad taste in the mouth
A change in sleep habits
Behavior or mood changes
Trouble with memory, concentration, attention, or thinking
Loss of consciousness lasting a few seconds to minutes1
Sensitivity to light or sound
Nausea or vomiting2
Symptoms of Moderate or Severe TBI
A person with moderate or severe TBI may have some of the symptoms listed above. In addition, the person may experience any of the following:
Headache that gets worse or won't go away
Repeated vomiting or nausea
Slurred speech
Convulsions or seizures
An inability to wake up from sleep
Enlargement of the pupil (dark center) of one or both eyes
Numbness or tingling of arms or legs
Loss of coordination
Increased confusion, restlessness, or agitation
Loss of consciousness lasting a few minutes to hours3
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/tbi/conditioninfo/symptoms (https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/tbi/conditioninfo/symptoms)
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I listened to the video. Second time. How dare he? How dare he decide whether someone's brain injury is serious? Of course losing an arm or a leg is a serious injury. Any injury is, but brain injuries are very serious. Would the president like to live with one? Severe headaches for the rest of his life. Loss of memory. Losing the ability to function normally. He isn't a doctor, and neither am I but I can say a brain injury is serious.
Imagine being the spouse or family member of someone who could face a debilitating life with long term brain function problems? And having the president belittle the struggle that lies ahead for them.
What a moron.
If you are "Chosen"?
I'd hate to see what the alternatives were.
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TBI
https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/related_conditions/traumatic-brain-injury (https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/related_conditions/traumatic-brain-injury)
Symptoms of Mild TBI
A person with a mild TBI may experience:
Headache
Confusion
Lightheadedness
Dizziness
Blurred vision
Ringing in the ears
Tiredness or sleepiness
A bad taste in the mouth
A change in sleep habits
Behavior or mood changes
Trouble with memory, concentration, attention, or thinking
Loss of consciousness lasting a few seconds to minutes1
Sensitivity to light or sound
Nausea or vomiting2
Symptoms of Moderate or Severe TBI
A person with moderate or severe TBI may have some of the symptoms listed above. In addition, the person may experience any of the following:
Headache that gets worse or won't go away
Repeated vomiting or nausea
Slurred speech
Convulsions or seizures
An inability to wake up from sleep
Enlargement of the pupil (dark center) of one or both eyes
Numbness or tingling of arms or legs
Loss of coordination
Increased confusion, restlessness, or agitation
Loss of consciousness lasting a few minutes to hours3
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/tbi/conditioninfo/symptoms (https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/tbi/conditioninfo/symptoms)
Wow. Given that list of symptoms, I guess every human on Earth has TBI.
I don't want to minimize what the soldiers involved suffered. If they were in the concussive blast area, they no doubt have concussion syndrome and need to be given care for that. It is serious.
When the POTUS speaks of deaths and injuries ... in Iraq ... he speaks of DEATH and mutilations that require immediate EVAC and life saving care.
Hearing impairment is a too often overlooked outcome of battlefield service. Many vets suffer from that. The stuff going out, and the stuff coming in is loud and concussive.
Trump didn't know the extent of the issue when it was dropped on him during a presser at an economic summit.
Grow up, Chosen. Trump is not the Alpha and Omega of humans, but he loves America, he loves our heroes in uniform and he's the best advocate for our freedom and American destiny since Reagan.
I don't understand your bile. Would you have the same approach to Cruz or Rubio? Are you a Lefty? Look in the mirror and figure out your personal ideology and express it once in a while. Being against the President at every turn is not a defensible political dogma, it's rank lazy "look at me" quasi-resistance.
I've observed you here, and you are annoying. Not because of your political ideology but because it seems you have NO political ideology except for "Orange Man bad and I am GOOD". Couldn't be more boring.
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Wow. Given that list of symptoms, I guess every human on Earth has TBI.
I don't want to minimize what the soldiers involved suffered. If they were in the concussive blast area, they no doubt have concussion syndrome and need to be given care for that. It is serious.
When the POTUS speaks of deaths and injuries ... in Iraq ... he speaks of DEATH and mutilations that require immediate EVAC and life saving care.
Hearing impairment is a too often overlooked outcome of battlefield service. Many vets suffer from that. The stuff going out, and the stuff coming in is loud and concussive.
Trump didn't know the extent of the issue when it was dropped on him during a presser at an economic summit.
Grow up, Chosen. Trump is not the Alpha and Omega of humans, but he loves America, he loves our heroes in uniform and he's the best advocate for our freedom and American destiny since Reagan.
I don't understand your bile. Would you have the same approach to Cruz or Rubio? Are you a Lefty? Look in the mirror and figure out your personal ideology and express it once in a while. Being against the President at every turn is not a defensible political dogma, it's rank lazy "look at me" quasi-resistance.
I've observed you here, and you are annoying. Not because of your political ideology but because it seems you have NO political ideology except for "Orange Man bad and I am GOOD". Couldn't be more boring.
BS Arne
Trump said there were no injuries. He had to minimize the injuries that they sufferer to save face. It is that simple. But as this article say it offended Veterans as it should. If he didn't know he should say he didn't know. Not say they had headaches and it isn't serious. It is serious and can lead to serious disability. I call your post complete BS. It is an effort once again to protect Trump from any legitimate criticism. And in this case he deserves it.
Oh, and I may bore you, and I don't care. I tried to give Trump credit for March for life and I only got the Trump treatment. Which is the rude and obnoxious treatment. You all sound the same. Trump bots. Singing praises even when there isn't anything to praise except your own BS.
What is really annoying about your response is that you make it about me. It is Veterans that demanded the apology and Trump should give it to them. If he doesn't its just another example of how he isn't the Commander in Chief you make him out to be.
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Let me help you Arne. Repeat after me...………….Trump shouldn't have said that. You can do it.
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Not like he has Ben Carson right there beside him to advise him on the subject..... Heck the two could of talked about it while soaking up the limelight at the debate.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ7Ryo8Alzw#)
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Not like he has Ben Carson right there beside him to advise him on the subject..... Heck the two could of talked about it while soaking up the limelight at the debate.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ7Ryo8Alzw#)
Better to say nothing when you know nothing.
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I listened to the video. Second time. How dare he? How dare he decide whether someone's brain injury is serious? Of course losing an arm or a leg is a serious injury. Any injury is, but brain injuries are very serious. Would the president like to live with one? Severe headaches for the rest of his life. Loss of memory. Losing the ability to function normally. He isn't a doctor, and neither am I but I can say a brain injury is serious.
Imagine being the spouse or family member of someone who could face a debilitating life with long term brain function problems? And having the president belittle the struggle that lies ahead for them.
What a moron.
Seriously? Lol! Take a chill pill, Greta. This president loves the US Military more than any past president has, and has done more for the US Military than past presidents have. That's an indisputable fact. And another fact.... the feeling is mutual. MOST of the US Military loves Trump.... so nice try, no ceegar. And yeah... compared to having a limb blown off or your guts hanging out.... TBIs aren't "as serious". Get over it.
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Seriously? Lol! Take a chill pill, Greta. This president loves the US Military more than any past president has, and has done more for the US Military than past presidents have.
Bone Spurs...
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Bone Spurs...
Epic Fail...
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Well, not real concerned with what the VFW says/does.
Like most 503(c)'s, their concern is their revenue stream and getting into politics (endorsements etc) would eliminate their tax deductible status so they seize opportunities to get their name in the news. It is all the rage now to slam the president and misrepresent his statements and his intent.
The VFW has a history of decisive and misguided actions....
My stepfather, a WWII vet, took me down to the local post after I’d returned from what was euphemistically called an “extended†tour in Southeast Asia, mostly in Vietnam. Those WWII and Korean vets treated me like garbage and made it known that they didn’t want any “baby killers or any commando types†in their precious organization. I didn’t fit either of those categories, but they made their point. They didn’t want anything to do with ’Nam vets back then.
https://billingsgazette.com/news/opinion/mailbag/vietnam-war-vets-were-once-rejected-by-vfw/article_8118beec-e92d-11de-bfd1-001cc4c002e0.html (https://billingsgazette.com/news/opinion/mailbag/vietnam-war-vets-were-once-rejected-by-vfw/article_8118beec-e92d-11de-bfd1-001cc4c002e0.html)
Membership in the VFW is on the decline and they will do anything to get their name out.
Millerstown Chubb-Stroup VFW Post 5049 is closing after more than 70 years. The VFW was founded on Jan. 14, 1946, and strived to serve the area's veterans and the community since that time, according to Commander Clyde Smith.
However, Smith said the post has suffered a "severe decline" in membership and income over the past several years, which made it too difficult to maintain operations. According to Smith, there are 21 members.
https://www.pennlive.com/perry-county-times/2017/09/declining_membership_dooms_vfw.html (https://www.pennlive.com/perry-county-times/2017/09/declining_membership_dooms_vfw.html)
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Let me help you Arne. Repeat after me...………….Trump shouldn't have said that. You can do it.
888high58888
Why is that so hard??
He shouldn’t have said this because traumatic brain injuries are extremely serious.
There was no need to say otherwise.
And yet he did.
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Let me help you Arne. Repeat after me...………….Trump shouldn't have said that. You can do it.
I'm not a Trump fan. Everyone knows that.
But I'll take a Gaffe-a-minute POTUS Trump over a POTUS Sanders or Warren any day of the week.
Several years ago as a Manager, we were all into the Myers-Briggs personality trait fad, and as managers we were to administer these tests, find out which of the 16 personality types each employee was, and then fashion our mgt. style to best extract the best performance from each employee. As complicated as it sounds, it worked pretty well (90% success IMO)
Outside the so called "tolerance aspect" Trump is a classical ESTP. I won't bore you with the technical details of how that is discerned, but one of the most glaring traits of an ESTP, is that these folks are famous for saying right off the top of their head what's on their mind, without any pre-cognitive thought. These kinds drive "ISTJ"'s like me crazy. But once you filter that fluff, "ESTP's" tend to be the most innovative of all people.
At first, I refused to apply that filter, maybe being retired 8 years. But now, I understand a little more of the how and why of the style of POTUS Trump. Is he Ronald Reagan?... not even close. But he is better for this country right now than anyone else being considered.
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Regardless of the excuses -- e.g., oh he didn't know better (the injuries were worse than first thought) or his remarks were taken out of context -- fact is, he should not have said what he said. He appears to have trivialized these soldiers' injuries and for a president who prides himself on his image of caring for the military -- including the average soldier and his or he family -- his words make that image a lie.
Sure, we all say and do dumb things. Hell, I can write a book regarding all the stupid things I've said and done in my 67 years on this earth But a classy grownup would step up and say, I'm sorry. I was wrong. But Trump won't do that. When called out on something like this, he won't apologize. If he does say something about it, there will be excuses or he will blame someone else. That's the part that bothers me.
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Regardless of the excuses -- e.g., oh he didn't know better (the injuries were worse than first thought) or his remarks were taken out of context -- fact is, he should not have said what he said. He appears to have trivialized these soldiers' injuries and for a president who prides himself on his image of caring for the military -- including the average soldier and his or he family -- his words make that image a lie.
Sure, we all say and do dumb things. Hell, I can write a book regarding all the stupid things I've said and done in my 67 years on this earth But a classy grownup would step up and say, I'm sorry. I was wrong. But Trump won't do that. When called out on something like this, he won't apologize. If he does say something about it, there will be excuses or he will blame someone else. That's the part that bothers me.
No disagreement from me. Note my earlier post around Myers-Briggs review. OTOH, the attempted coup by the dims has galvanized many of us, who otherwise would be lukewarm toward another Trump term. In my 63 years of life on this earth, I have done my best to avoid the emotion of hatred. But what i have seen from the left the past 4 years has made me boil. Wishing for Stephen Colbert's death nightly is not a healthy thought.
Bottom line, the stars are aligning where this is backfiring on the dims. And take heart..... DJT will not be POTUS January 20, 2025.
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News flash! Trump should not have said something. Details at 11.
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I'm a vet...many on here are also combat vets. This is a stupid hit piece, no more. These folks got concussed and that's something that needs to be treated...and is. The President and the nation honor their service and their courage. And yes, the president cares for these folks and nothing he stated contradicts that, but the truth is that in a major rocket attack such as the one that occurred, this kind of injury toll is miraculously minor. The President has done more to reform and improve VA med treatment than any President in my lifetime...and I go to the my local VA facility every month for treatment (so I KNOW of what I speak).
This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd. The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.
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This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd. The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.
Well put. Those detractors seem to easily forget how the Obama's and Clintons treated the miltiary.
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the sham impeachment going on now. Separate matter entirely. And to be fair --this is not the only article about Trump's misstep. Others have noticed and also believe he should be a man and apologize.
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the sham impeachment going on now. Separate matter entirely. And to be fair --this is not the only article about Trump's misstep. Others have noticed and also believe he should be a man and apologize.
If you were to compile a list of people or groups who Trump should apologize to for saying dumb things, it would be hundreds, if not 1000's.
But if you want to put style over substance, then that is your business. As much as I dislike Trump as a person, a POTUS Warren or Sanders is a million times worse. A united front against the socialist is needed if we want to prevent that. Holding my nose and voting for Trump in November. And unless you want Bernie or Elizabeth confiscating your 401K, I suggest the same.
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If you are "Chosen"?
I'd hate to see what the alternatives were.
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Grow up, Chosen. Trump is not the Alpha and Omega of humans, but he loves America, he loves our heroes in uniform and he's the best advocate for our freedom and American destiny since Reagan.
I don't understand your bile. Would you have the same approach to Cruz or Rubio? Are you a Lefty? Look in the mirror and figure out your personal ideology and express it once in a while. Being against the President at every turn is not a defensible political dogma, it's rank lazy "look at me" quasi-resistance.
I've observed you here, and you are annoying. Not because of your political ideology but because it seems you have NO political ideology except for "Orange Man bad and I am GOOD". Couldn't be more boring.
End the personal attacks, @ArneFufkin.
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Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries
By Tal Axelrod - 01/24/20 06:56 PM EST
A prominent veterans advocacy group is asking President Trump for an apology over his remarks on injuries suffered by U.S. troops stationed at a military base in Iraq that was hit by Iranian airstrikes earlier this month.
Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) said Trump “minimized†the injuries the troops suffered after the Pentagon announced that dozens of U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries (TBI). Trump had referred to the injuries as “headaches" and "not very serious" earlier in the week.
“In light of today's announcement from the defense department that 34 U.S. service members suffered traumatic brain injuries as a result of Iran's retaliatory strike and President Trump's remarks which minimized these troops’ injuries, the Veterans of Foreign Wars cannot stand idle on this matter,†VFW National Commander William “Doc†Schmitz said in a statement.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/479859-veterans-group-asks-for-apology-from-trump-over-comments-on-brain-injuries
@Chosen Daughter
I have ALMOST as much respect for the VFW as I do the DNC.
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Let me help you Arne. Repeat after me...………….Trump shouldn't have said that. You can do it.
@Chosen Daughter
I am going to help you out, (personal attack deleted).
Trump was reporting this after being told by the officers on the ground that there were no wounded. TBI isn't a freaking wound, (personal attack deleted)!
Stop with the personal attacks! - PeteS in CA
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If you were to compile a list of people or groups who Trump should apologize to for saying dumb things, it would be hundreds, if not 1000's.
But if you want to put style over substance, then that is your business. As much as I dislike Trump as a person, a POTUS Warren or Sanders is a million times worse. A united front against the socialist is needed if we want to prevent that. Holding my nose and voting for Trump in November. And unless you want Bernie or Elizabeth confiscating your 401K, I suggest the same.
Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.
You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.
About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.
But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.
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Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.
You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.
About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.
But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.
Well thought out response.
I might be a tad less harsh on his performance. I really like a POTUS who (1) finally addresses the Trade debacle that previous leaders have allowed to fester for decades. (2) address the largess of the regulatory strangulation (3) Appointment of conservative judges (4) An attempt at least to stop the scourge invasion from the south (4) Overall direction that is facilitating outstanding economic growth for the country. (5) Keystone support to help the country achieve energy independence for several lifetimes. (6) Defense funding increases
OTOH....
He has failed at (1) and IMO most important controlling the federal deficit. (2) Representing America with antics not worthy of his POTUS stature. (3) Coddling of the NORKs. (4) Though the inital final results were positive, we came dangerously close to having WW 3, with the Soleiami take out. Just think how recent history would have changed if American soldiers would have been killed. And apparently this was a close close call. I know the jury is still out there on this one. Just my take right now. (5) Though pre-POTUS, his tactics to get the nomination were dispicable, and unforgivable.
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Bone Spurs...
:patriot:
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888high58888
Why is that so hard??
He shouldn’t have said this because traumatic brain injuries are extremely serious.
There was no need to say otherwise.
And yet he did.
That's what I wonder. Why is it so hard? If some liberal had said this there would be hell to pay.
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Well thought out response.
I might be a tad less harsh on his performance. I really like a POTUS who (1) finally addresses the Trade debacle that previous leaders have allowed to fester for decades. (2) address the largess of the regulatory strangulation (3) Appointment of conservative judges (4) An attempt at least to stop the scourge invasion from the south (4) Overall direction that is facilitating outstanding economic growth for the country. (5) Keystone support to help the country achieve energy independence for several lifetimes. (6) Defense funding increases
OTOH....
He has failed at (1) and IMO most important controlling the federal deficit. (2) Representing America with antics not worthy of his POTUS stature. (3) Coddling of the NORKs. (4) Though the inital final results were positive, we came dangerously close to having WW 3, with the Soleiami take out. Just think how recent history would have changed if American soldiers would have been killed. And apparently this was a close close call. I know the jury is still out there on this one. Just my take right now. (5) Though pre-POTUS, his tactics to get the nomination were dispicable, and unforgivable.
Excellent post. Fair assessment.
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the sham impeachment going on now. Separate matter entirely. And to be fair --this is not the only article about Trump's misstep. Others have noticed and also believe he should be a man and apologize.
My question continues to be, why is it so hard for his supporters to admit he made a mistake in minimizing the injuries of our troops with this thoughtless comment?
If his most ardent fans would just say , yeah, he goofed up here (which he clearly did), it would be a lot easier to take them seriously.
Instead, they level personal attacks against those who dare suggest that this was the wrong thing for him to say.
And in doing so, look thoughtless themselves.....
If my son were injured and his life of suffering minimized by his Commander in Chief, I would be furious.
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Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.
You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.
About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.
But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.
You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.
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My question continues to be, why is it so hard for his supporters to admit he made a mistake in minimizing the injuries of our troops with this thoughtless comment?
If his most ardent fans would just say , yeah, he goofed up here (which he clearly did), it would be a lot easier to take them seriously.
Instead, they level personal attacks against those who dare suggest that this was the wrong thing for him to say.
And in doing so, look thoughtless themselves.....
If my son were injured and his life of suffering minimized by his Commander in Chief, I would be furious.
Amen, Not one person here has the right to minimize any soldiers suffering. Even the Veterans who's comments appear to be clouded by their job to protect the president from any criticism. Even if its earned. I bet if it had been Clinton or Schiff who had minimized any injuries of our troops there would be hell to pay. They are simply dissing the suffering of their fellow soldiers to uplift Trump in his fight against the left. The war against Trump. That makes them soldiers in the defense of Donald Trump. All other ties are broken.
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You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.
Truly pathological narcissist never apologize for anything. Not saying that precludes him from being an effective POTUS, but ......
Don't worry, I agree, but just don't hold your breath thinking you will see a sudden DJT empathatic streak coming.
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Truly pathological narcissist never apologize for anything. Not saying that precludes him from being an effective POTUS, but ......
Don't worry, I agree, but just don't hold your breath thinking you will see a sudden DJT empathatic streak coming.
I won't. Unfortunate for Trump because he should take seriously the concern of Veterans. In the coming weeks and months this story is likely to grow as they learn what long term medical problems come from those injuries. Families might even speak out.
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Amen, Not one person here has the right to minimize any soldiers suffering. Even the Veterans who's comments appear to be clouded by their job to protect the president from any criticism. Even if its earned. I bet if it had been Clinton or Schiff who had minimized any injuries of our troops there would be hell to pay. They are simply dissing the suffering of their fellow soldiers to uplift Trump in his fight against the left. The war against Trump. That makes them soldiers in the defense of Donald Trump. All other ties are broken.
Good points all.
This one is black and white. What he said was inexcusable..... and I'd like to think that, even if I loved Trump, as the daughter and mother of Vets, I would have the discernment to admit this was a horrible thing for him to say, and that he should apologize.
Apologizing is not a weakness. It is an imaginary "strength" that his followers attach to him in saying that he should never apologize for anything.
NOT apologizing for clear wrongs is what is weak.
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I won't. Unfortunate for Trump because he should take seriously the concern of Veterans. In the coming weeks and months this story is likely to grow as they learn what long term medical problems come from those injuries. Families might even speak out.
I hope they do.
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You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.
Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.
Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)
I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....
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Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.
Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)
I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....
There is absolutely NOTHING 'asinine' about admitting that Trump should not have minimized the pain of these troops.
It doesn't mean that one doesn't realize that Trump supports the troops more than any Dem ever has or ever will to admit that he was wrong.
In fact, it lends credibility to ones support to admit that he was wrong......
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There is absolutely NOTHING 'asinine' about admitting that Trump should not have minimized the pain of these troops.
It doesn't mean that one doesn't realize that Trump supports the troops more than any Dem ever has or ever will to admit that he was wrong.
In fact, it lends credibility to ones support to admit that he was wrong......
The problem is... you are parsing what he actually said... and making it into an insult that you are falsely perceiving. He didn't minimize anything. What he actually said was 100% accurate. Once you extract and remove the emotionalism and analyze the actual words, critically....his claim was correct. So why should he apologize for saying something that was true?
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Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.
Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)
I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....
Half of them returned to duty because their injuries were not serious. Others stayed in Germany. Some were flown home for treatment. It isn't up to you or Trump to decide if their injuries are serious. It isn't you who will have long term medical problems that can't be fixed with prosthetics. From that list I posted I doubt that you would like to live with headaches or seizures for the rest of your life. Or an early Altzheimer's diagnoses resulting from those injuries. (see link) Loss of memory. Loss of ability to function. How dare you.
Someone should knock you in the head with a huge piece of metal shrapnel and we could tell you not to complain about your headache.
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Half of them returned to duty because their injuries were not serious. Others stayed in Germany. Some were flown home for treatment. It isn't up to you or Trump to decide if their injuries are serious. It isn't you who will have long term medical problems that can't be fixed with prosthetics. From that list I posted I doubt that you would like to live with headaches or seizures for the rest of your life. Or an early Altzheimer's diagnoses resulting from those injuries. (see link) Loss of memory. Loss of ability to function. How dare you.
No, apparently, Greta.... it's up to you and the other Trump-haters..... to 'decide' how serious their injuries are (half are back on duty)... even if/when you don't know the details. All you know is that you hate Trump and this is as good as any verbal attack you can utilize.
Ho hum. You need some new shtick. This is getting boring as hell.
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I'm a vet...many on here are also combat vets. This is a stupid hit piece, no more. These folks got concussed and that's something that needs to be treated...and is. The President and the nation honor their service and their courage. And yes, the president cares for these folks and nothing he stated contradicts that, but the truth is that in a major rocket attack such as the one that occurred, this kind of injury toll is miraculously minor. The President has done more to reform and improve VA med treatment than any President in my lifetime...and I go to the my local VA facility every month for treatment (so I KNOW of what I speak).
This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd. The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.
Coming from a vet -- thank you for your input -- and your service. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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I am a vet. I am a Trump supporter. I incurred a TBI (not service related) some 20 months ago.
My neurologist stated the brain is the organ, that heals the most slowly.
My brain surgeon stated the symptoms would "resolve," but no timeframes.
Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.
So Greta Daughter and friends, thanks for continuing to demonstrate TDS.
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Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, “Okay, I apologize for my existence.â€
But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?
No, they won’t ever give him the respect he’s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.
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OK, folks, lets drop the personal snips and snarks about each others' character and objects of "worship".
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I am a vet. I am a Trump supporter. I incurred a TBI (not service related) some 20 months ago.
My neurologist stated the brain is the organ, that heals the most slowly.
My brain surgeon stated the symptoms would "resolve," but no timeframes.
Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.
So Greta Daughter and friends, thanks for continuing to demonstrate TDS.
If I am going to be addressed as Greta I should know who it is I am being compared to. As for your TBI I am sorry. But it sounds like yours will resolve with time. Doesn't have anything to do with other people's diagnosis. There are different severities of TBI. No the president didn't give the information he got. Otherwise he would have separated the mild who went back to their jobs. The ones still being treated in Germany, and the ones sent back home for treatment. You are not a doctor either. the link I posted said that TBI's can lead to Altzheimer's . That's about as serious as it gets.
If he was addressing the information he had he wouldn't have said none of them are serious. Or that it was headache.
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Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, “Okay, I apologize for my existence.â€
But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?
No, they won’t ever give him the respect he’s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.
@aligncare
We are a nation of professional snarks, no way to please the perpetually offended...
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OK, folks, lets drop the personal snips and snarks about each others' character and objects of "worship".
You must be new here. Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here. Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years. Might already be dead.
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If I am going to be addressed as Greta I should know who it is I am being compared to.
@truth_seeker and @Chosen Daughter, please take this aspect of the conversation into PMs.
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You must be new here. Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here. Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years. Might already be dead.
Personal attacks are not allowed in here period. There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling. It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy. Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.
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The problem is... you are parsing what he actually said... and making it into an insult that you are falsely perceiving. He didn't minimize anything. What he actually said was 100% accurate. Once you extract and remove the emotionalism and analyze the actual words, critically....his claim was correct. So why should he apologize for saying something that was true?
Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?
Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.
That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.
He should not have said what he did and should apologize.
The inability to apologize is no form of strength. It is a serious weakness.
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Personal attacks are not allowed in here period. There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling. It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy. Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.
All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.
The fact that it is not allowed doesn’t seem to have any effect on them.
I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....
Which is likely their goal.....
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@truth_seeker and @Chosen Daughter, please take this aspect of the conversation into PMs.
How about telling the poster who keeps calling her ‘Greta’ to stop the personal attacks?
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Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, “Okay, I apologize for my existence.â€
But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?
No, they won’t ever give him the respect he’s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.
Damn, you people have missed the point of apology all together for these vets. He should not give a sh__ about the critics. They won't miss a bit if he did or didn't. The families of the vets, many who are a-political are another matter.
If you read my posts, you will see that I am very impartial and fair to DJT. I give praise and credit where credit is due, and criticism where warranted.
You OTOH, seem to have no ability to be objective about the man. Your credibility be damned I guess. Your posting history proves it.
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All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.
The fact that it is not allowed doesn’t seem to have any effect on them.
I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....
Which is likely their goal.....
When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion. Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here. Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.
It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.
We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.
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Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?
Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.
That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.
He should not have said what he did and should apologize.
The inability to apologize is no form of strength. It is a serious weakness.
I disagree.
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Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.
I'm done!
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Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.
I'm done!
IMO the paradigm for this site, is a place where it is fine, to criticize the President, up to 100 times a day (Fake Deacon of Dallas Ft. Worth, here, 2016/2017; "fecal smear" hospiital janitor in Michigan) etc.
The conflict is a feature, not a bug.
It literally took years to stop Trump supporters, being called Nazi, Fscists, etc. It could have easily been stopped, but it was not Later, cultist, worshippers, etc)
The feature, is baked into the culture
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When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion. Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here. Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.
It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.
We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.
We are all passionate about our posts. Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.
I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers. I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable. I still think that we should hear from the witnesses. And if they acquit doesn't change one bit that I won't vote for him. I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him. I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative. Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal. BS. I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.
This was wrong. Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike. That is the truth.
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Again, IMHO --- We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.
But back on topic --
I sat and watched the short video clip -- it seems that Trump was making a comparison of what injuries were suffered to those who have suffered loss of limbs and life. I would really like to see the complete interview before making a determination and jumping to conclusions. I see Trump as a patriot and a leader. He has built up our military and vets can now go to any doctor if they can't get in to see one at the VA in a timely manner -- my father in-law is a vet and he has now been able to see local doctors outside the VA which has been a blessing.
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IMO the paradigm for this site, is a place where it is fine, to criticize the President, up to 100 times a day (Fake Deacon of Dallas Ft. Worth, here, 2016/2017; "fecal smear" hospiital janitor in Michigan) etc.
The conflict is a feature, not a bug.
It literally took years to stop Trump supporters, being called Nazi, Fscists, etc. It could have easily been stopped, but it was not Later, cultist, worshippers, etc)
The feature, is baked into the culture
The Christian Post
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Politics | Thursday, October 24, 2019
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump
Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show†where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.
“It is a dividing line unless you have eyes to see,†White told Bakker while discussing how America was being changed through the lower courts. Trump has been working hard to protect religious freedom in a spiritual war between good and evil that is being waged through the courts and that threatens to outlaw the Bible as hate speech, she claimed.
“It’s (warfare) gonna either make you stand and lets you have to look in the Word and say what does God say and where do I line up. Where do I line up on policy? I might not like the personality, I might not understand him. Get my book and you’ll understand the personality and you’ll understand the person, Ok? Not just the persona,†White said.
“Where do I line up? And you’re gonna have to make a decision that won’t be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you, your children, your grandchildren, but you’re gonna have to stand accountable before God one day. Not based on your opinion, your hurt, your wounding, what you think, what you don’t. Educate yourself. Know the issues, know the word of God, and then if you cannot align with the word of God I don’t see it,†White continued.....
https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html)
Is it really any surprise. When the presidents spiritual advisors are condemning to hell Christians that don't vote for him? Sounds pretty Nazi to me. Especially from the phony Dr. who isn't a Dr. Who actually bilks her church members while she soaks up the money. Just like her Felony friend Jim Baker.
https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/ (https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/)
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We are all passionate about our posts. Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.
I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers. I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable. I still think that we should hear from the witnesses. And if they acquit doesn't change one bit that I won't vote for him. I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him. I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative. Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal. BS. I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.
This was wrong. Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike. That is the truth.
Ok -- you've been wronged in here. I get that. I have received my share of uncalled comments directed at me as well, but, @Chosen Daughter you have a choice -- rise above it and continue to post without provoking (not saying that you did and at times easier said than done) or continue a senseless battle. Just trying to be a friend here, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems that you only choose to select negative articles about Trump to post and it seems others take offense. Yes, you should be able to post whatever the heck you want without ridicule.. but they are entitled to their opinions as well.
I couldn't agree more -- the name calling and comparisons are absolutely uncalled for, hurtful and really unnecessary as it really puts a damper on this forum.
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The Christian Post
Skip to main content
Politics | Thursday, October 24, 2019
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump
Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show†where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.
“It is a dividing line unless you have eyes to see,†White told Bakker while discussing how America was being changed through the lower courts. Trump has been working hard to protect religious freedom in a spiritual war between good and evil that is being waged through the courts and that threatens to outlaw the Bible as hate speech, she claimed.
“It’s (warfare) gonna either make you stand and lets you have to look in the Word and say what does God say and where do I line up. Where do I line up on policy? I might not like the personality, I might not understand him. Get my book and you’ll understand the personality and you’ll understand the person, Ok? Not just the persona,†White said.
“Where do I line up? And you’re gonna have to make a decision that won’t be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you, your children, your grandchildren, but you’re gonna have to stand accountable before God one day. Not based on your opinion, your hurt, your wounding, what you think, what you don’t. Educate yourself. Know the issues, know the word of God, and then if you cannot align with the word of God I don’t see it,†White continued.....
https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html)
Is it really any surprise. When the presidents spiritual advisors are condemning to hell Christians that don't vote for him? Sounds pretty Nazi to me. Especially from the phony Dr. who isn't a Dr. Who actually bilks her church members while she soaks up the money. Just like her Felony friend Jim Baker.
https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/ (https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/)
Oh FFS. Really???
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I disagree.
With everything??
That the inability to apologize is not a strength?
You disagree with that?
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Ok -- you've been wronged in here. I get that. I have received my share of uncalled comments directed at me as well, but, @Chosen Daughter you have a choice -- rise above it and continue to post without provoking (not saying that you did and at times easier said than done) or continue a senseless battle. Just trying to be a friend here, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems that you only choose to select negative articles about Trump to post and it seems others take offense. Yes, you should be able to post whatever the heck you want without ridicule.. but they are entitled to their opinions as well.
I couldn't agree more -- the name calling and comparisons are absolutely uncalled for, hurtful and really unnecessary as it really puts a damper on this forum.
I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions. I have posted positive things on Trump. I used to support the wall until it was another bollard fence that could be scaled and local governments could opt out. I supported when the left was being critical of our facilities on the border which was BS because the left was sending all those caravans. I supported designating Cartel terrorists and then he didn't. I supported government shutdown until he caved and excepted even less money than they were going to give him. Because Mulvaney was negotiating down. I supported him when he said he wouldn't sign, but he did.
So no, that is a lie. Yes most I have posted recently have been negative. Because he is negative. He is ugly and rude. And this is just another example of cold, rude Trump.
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When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion. Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here. Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.
It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.
We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.
I agree that this is still a great forum, and one where different opinions on how Conservatism plays itself out in reality are encouraged.
However, I find myself posting less and less on the political threads as it seems to be turning into more of a groupthink forum than one where the free exchange of ideas is possible.
IOW, the more Trumpian it becomes, the less friendly to differing views it has become.
My opinion only, FWIW......
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I agree that this is still a great forum, and one where different opinions on how Conservatism plays itself out in reality are encouraged.
However, I find myself posting less and less on the political threads as it seems to be turning into more of a groupthink forum than one where the free exchange of ideas is possible.
IOW, the more Trumpian it becomes, the less friendly to differing views it has become.
My opinion only, FWIW......
Agree 100%
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We are all passionate about our posts. Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.
I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers. I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable. I still think that we should hear from the witnesses. And if they acquit doesn't change one bit that I won't vote for him. I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him. I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative. Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal. BS. I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.
This was wrong. Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike. That is the truth.
It is a sign of a weak argument and lack of ability to think deeply when people attack the Conservatives here who are critical of Trump as being liberal.
It's actually forbidden here because it's such a stupid ad hominem, but it continues because it's all they have. No fact. Just emotion.
Keep posting.
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It is a sign of a weak argument and lack of ability to think deeply when people attack the Conservatives here who are critical of Trump as being liberal.
It's actually forbidden here because it's such a stupid ad hominem, but it continues because it's all they have. No fact. Just emotion.
Keep posting.
I will. Not going to let them drive me out. You keep posting as well. Because I know that you are giving your true assessment. That is something to be respected for. Thank you.
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With everything??
That the inability to apologize is not a strength?
You disagree with that?
It's not an "inability to apologize".... if what the person stated is accurate, correct and the truth.... not to mention what he was told by Pentagon officials. Would you apologize for stating a fact or a truth that you were told by experts or officials?
If you really want to blame somone here... blame the ones that make the rules in the military....or Pentagon officials. Trump didn't make those rules or that policy.
Excerpt:
Pentagon officials have said there had been no effort to minimise or delay information on concussive injuries, but its handling of the injuries following Tehran's attack has renewed questions over the US military's policy regarding how it deals with suspected brain injuries.
While the US military has to immediately report incidents threatening life, limb or eyesight, it does not have an urgent requirement to do so with suspected traumatic brain injury, or TBI, which can take time to manifest and diagnose.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-25/iran-strikes-caused-traumatic-brain-injury-pentagon-says/11900228 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-25/iran-strikes-caused-traumatic-brain-injury-pentagon-says/11900228)
Pardon me for making this observation... but....it seems to me that some of you are upset that Trump didn't exaggerate, embellish or.... dare I say it.... (you betcha I dare)....
politicize the Iran attack injuries (which he could have done if he really wanted that 'war with Iran' that the idiot left is accusing him of wanting.... and which is what the lying idiot left would have done).
So it's not ok for him to exaggerate and politicize some things but ok for others.... is that it? Sorry... but that's how I'm perceiving it. And yeah, I've become cynical to a fault these days. :shrug:
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I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions. I have posted positive things on Trump. I used to support the wall until it was another bollard fence that could be scaled and local governments could opt out. I supported when the left was being critical of our facilities on the border which was BS because the left was sending all those caravans. I supported designating Cartel terrorists and then he didn't. I supported government shutdown until he caved and excepted even less money than they were going to give him. Because Mulvaney was negotiating down. I supported him when he said he wouldn't sign, but he did.
So no, that is a lie. Yes most I have posted recently have been negative. Because he is negative. He is ugly and rude. And this is just another example of cold, rude Trump.
Ok. That is YOUR opinion of him. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. My opinion -- He has made some progress on the fence -- new fence is being built that is more than just bollards. He also has made it so that Guatemala is now taking on asylum seekers -- they are the first "safe" country for many seeking asylum. That is a HUGE accomplishment. In spite of the defiance and obstruction by the DEMS he is succeeding. He recently saved American lives by silencing Soleimani -- that is HUGE. He has withstood the false accusations of Russian collusion and now hopefully he will withstand the coup that's trying to remove him -- if not we WILL see socialism. No doubt about it.
Right now, I see more positive coming from this President than negative. He is MY President. He is the President of a country that I love. He has upheld the Constitution. He is doing his job. He is leading this country as best he can in spite of the blatant attempts to oust him. I am gravely and deeply concerned that the left will find a way to stop him in order to fulfill their socialistic agenda -- they are corruptly trying to remove him. That should concern everyone, whether you like him or not.
Is he perfect? Absolutely not. Does he say things that are a bit crass and unnecessary? Absolutely. Does that make him unfit to be President? IMHO No.
Like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism. The DEMS don't care if they destroy this Republic -- they want open borders. Clinton wanted a borderless hemipshere; "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.
Those running against Trump (except perhaps for Biden in spit of all of his corruption) are to the left of Clinton.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html)
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Ok. That is YOUR opinion of him. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. My opinion -- He has made some progress on the fence -- new fence is being built that is more than just bollards. He also has made it so that Guatemala is now taking on asylum seekers -- they are the first "safe" country for many seeking asylum. That is a HUGE accomplishment. In spite of the defiance and obstruction by the DEMS he is succeeding. He recently saved American lives by silencing Soleimani -- that is HUGE. He has withstood the false accusations of Russian collusion and now hopefully he will withstand the coup that's trying to remove him -- if not we WILL see socialism. No doubt about it.
Right now, I see more positive coming from this President than negative. He is MY President. He is the President of a country that I love. He has upheld the Constitution. He is doing his job. He is leading this country as best he can in spite of the blatant attempts to oust him. I am gravely and deeply concerned that the left will find a way to stop him in order to fulfill their socialistic agenda -- they are corruptly trying to remove him. That should concern everyone, whether you like him or not.
Is he perfect? Absolutely not. Does he say things that are a bit crass and unnecessary? Absolutely. Does that make him unfit to be President? IMHO No.
Like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism. The DEMS don't care if they destroy this Republic -- they want open borders. Clinton wanted a borderless hemipshere; "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.
Those running against Trump (except perhaps for Biden in spit of all of his corruption) are to the left of Clinton.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html)
I wonder if you have seen the news recently? The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico. And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't. Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business. Cartel business and gang business. And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.
The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it. All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside. Because Trump gave in. And there isn't many miles of it either.
Trump’s New Border ‘Wall’ Resembles Fence Obama Constructed That Illegal Aliens Recently Hopped Over
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/)
Correction to my post. Many of the migrants (800) who broke through were captured by Mexican authorities. Some will remain in Mexico and some were deported back to Honduras. Another 200 they are still looking for.
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I wonder if you have seen the news recently? The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico. And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't. Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business. Cartel business and gang business. And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.
The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it. All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside. Because Trump gave in. And there isn't many miles of it either.
Who is funding the caravans @Chosen Daughter? Soros and the leftists. The same people who refuse to help Trump and who are trying to oust him -- because he HAS succeeded in some respects. They are the same ones that want this Republic to fall and who want socialism. The want a borderless Northern Hemisphere.
We are way off topic --
Again - until I see the complete transcripts of Trump's speech regarding this issue of Vet's brain injuries -- I'll reserve further comment. I don't trust the left, nor the media -- they lie, deceive and have a nasty habit of construing what is said by conservatives to fulfill their agenda.
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It's not an "inability to apologize".... if what the person stated is accurate, correct and the truth.... not to mention what he was told by Pentagon officials. Would you apologize for stating a fact or a truth that you were told by experts or officials?
If you really want to blame somone here... blame the ones that make the rules in the military....or Pentagon officials. Trump didn't make those rules or that policy.
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Pardon me for making this observation... but....it seems to me that some of you are upset that Trump didn't exaggerate, embellish or.... dare I say it.... (you betcha I dare)....
politicize the Iran attack injuries (which he could have done if he really wanted that 'war with Iran' that the idiot left is accusing him of wanting.... and which is what the lying idiot left would have done).
So it's not ok for him to exaggerate and politicize some things but ok for others.... is that it? Sorry... but that's how I'm perceiving it. And yeah, I've become cynical to a fault these days. :shrug:
That's some spin you put on that there...... :beer:
Gonna say it one more time. The troops and their families who will be dealing with medical issues their entire lives because of this 'non-injury' should receive an apology from Trump.
Even if he was quoting someone or saying what he thought he was supposed to say, or whatever he was thinking (if that indeed is what he was doing), it's still minimizing what actually happened to these men.
He should at least clarify.
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I will. Not going to let them drive me out. You keep posting as well. Because I know that you are giving your true assessment. That is something to be respected for. Thank you.
Thanks. Giving one's true assessment can be hazardous to your health around here.
Even if it's coming from a solidly conservative perspective.
It's been disturbing to observe the name-calling coming your way, and I very much admire your resilience in carrying the ball forward in spite of a whole lot of unsportsmanlike conduct directed at you .....
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I wonder if you have seen the news recently? The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico. And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't. Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business. Cartel business and gang business. And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.
The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it. All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside. Because Trump gave in. And there isn't many miles of it either.
Trump’s New Border ‘Wall’ Resembles Fence Obama Constructed That Illegal Aliens Recently Hopped Over
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/)
CaravanMexican (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/world-regions/location-mexico) security forces and immigration agents put hundreds of Central Americans (https://www.foxnews.com/category/travel/regions/central-america) who crossed into the country (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/immigration) early Thursday on buses to be processed and possibly sent back to their home countries amid a wave of migrants passing through in an effort to reach the United States.
The national guardsmen, dressed in riot gear, advanced on migrants (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/migrant-caravan) who were stopped at a crossroads, prompting the migrants to kneel and chant "we want to pass."
Authorities awaited the caravan outside the community of Frontera Hidalgo, near Ciudad Hidalgo, where the migrants had crossed the Suchiate River at dawn.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-mexico-broken-up-national-guardsmen-immigration-agents (https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-mexico-broken-up-national-guardsmen-immigration-agents)
The wall
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You must be new here. Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here. Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years. Might already be dead.
Personal attacks are not allowed in here period. There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling. It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy. Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.
@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php (http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php) ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.
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@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php (http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php) ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.
@mystery-ak and the Mods do a very good job of keeping the nastiness to a minimum,
But some people just ignore the rules and even when not provoked by anything or anyone level ugly attacks on other posters, simply because they have differing opinions.
You can count them on one hand around here (at least as far as I've seen), but it still has a very negative effect on the forum...... and I said before, the more the majority falls in line with Trump, the uglier it gets for those who see Conservatism being threatened by him.
Groupthink is for places like TOS. I pray this doesn't ever get that bad.
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How about telling the poster who keeps calling her ‘Greta’ to stop the personal attacks?
@musiclady, since you know who that is, why not PM them?
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'inability to apologise"
equals 'mindreading,'which is precisely what the President's lawyers said about the House DEMOCRATS' case.
To me mindreading fits well with scatterbrained thinking.
Like posting remarks, as if one 'knows" what Trump is/was thinking.
Having claimed to know what someone is/was thinking, it is easy to start your criticism of them too.
Next one can criticize them for what you claim to know they are thinking.
Further on you criticize them for not apoligising for what you claim they are/were thinking.
Having mastered that paradigm, you are now qualified to be a leftist joounalist, offering up fake news.
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Note to Forum:
It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta. It's how I roll.
Sue me.
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Trump didn't know the extent of the issue when it was dropped on him during a presser at an economic summit.
Grow up, Chosen. Trump is not the Alpha and Omega of humans, but he loves America, he loves our heroes in uniform and he's the best advocate for our freedom and American destiny since Reagan.
I don't understand your bile. Would you have the same approach to Cruz or Rubio? Are you a Lefty? Look in the mirror and figure out your personal ideology and express it once in a while. Being against the President at every turn is not a defensible political dogma, it's rank lazy "look at me" quasi-resistance.
I've observed you here, and you are annoying. Not because of your political ideology but because it seems you have NO political ideology except for "Orange Man bad and I am GOOD". Couldn't be more boring.
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So Trumpet didn't know the extent of the issue, yet as usual he ran off at the mouth,
which has been standard behavior for him since the age of 13, as his Mother observed.
Who Trumpet loves is 'Himself'; as do all compulsive Narcissists!
By the way, your juvenile descriptives: bile, boring, annoying, lazy.......have an antidote.
Cease reading adult posts and restrict yourself to puff-pieces from Trumpet's Fan Club.
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CaravanThe wall
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Yes, illegal immigration has greatly been reduced since the May peak when things were crazy. I give president Trump credit. I wasn't aware of any sensors that are on the wall that notifies BPS of approaching illegal immigrants. We will have to see how long Mexico can hold off migrants coming from Honduras and Guatemala. If we don't address the Cartel and gang business it will never end. And we need to stop what draws them. Free everything and sanctuary cities.
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Yes, illegal immigration has greatly been reduced since the May peak when things were crazy. I give president Trump credit. I wasn't aware of any sensors that are on the wall that notifies BPS of approaching illegal immigrants. We will have to see how long Mexico can hold off migrants coming from Honduras and Guatemala. If we don't address the Cartel and gang business it will never end. And we need to stop what draws them. Free everything and sanctuary cities.
Agree with the cartels... but we have to stay engaged and bring the Mexican government along with that. We cannot do anything unilaterally. The Mexican government is out gunned and they know it but if we push to hard then we make enemies out of the Mexican people... Patience with pressure will get it done.
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Note to Forum:
It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta. It's how I roll.
Sue me.
:silly:
I guess you can expect others to call you whatever they wish also. It may be how they roll.
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@mystery-ak and the Mods do a very good job of keeping the nastiness to a minimum,
But some people just ignore the rules and even when not provoked by anything or anyone level ugly attacks on other posters, simply because they have differing opinions.
You can count them on one hand around here (at least as far as I've seen), but it still has a very negative effect on the forum...... and I said before, the more the majority falls in line with Trump, the uglier it gets for those who see Conservatism being threatened by him.
Groupthink is for places like TOS. I pray this doesn't ever get that bad.
Conservatism has been under attack for quite some time; I think we can ALL at least agree on that. What I find troubling is the blatant attack on our Constitution -- and it hasn't always just been by the left.
Right now we are witnessing a coup against this President -- he needs our support -- again, like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism. From what I can tell (and I haven't researched them all in depth) the DEMS opposing Trump are further to the left than even Hillary. Pelosi has lost control of the progressive leftist in her party. There is no accountability whatsoever on the DEM side and they will continue to push with lies and accusations (Pelosi's smear tactic) until they get their way...the public be damned regardless if they voted for Trump or not.
To sum up -- I opt (as of right now) to stand behind someone who I believe has taken this country in a more positive direction than to throw my hand up in the air because he has some flaws. I honestly seem some positive in him and a whole lot of patriotism.
There are no guarantees that he will be re-elected and in fact because of all the corruption from the left, I personally feel his chances are slim. What absolutely frightens my is the lengths that the left has gone to so far to overthrow this administration and there has been little oversight.
Same thing happened under Obama -- his overreach and the blatant corruption of the DOJ was unchallenged. 535 Members of Congress let him and them get away with it -- where was the oversight?
Yes, conservatism is under attack -- however I believe Trump is trying to hold onto the reigns of conservatism as best he can -- he has faced an uphill battle since day one. I saw Cruz as our last chance of restoring this Republic and moving in a more conservative direction. That hasn't changed. What has changed is realizing that the only glimmer of hope that this Republic has right now is Trump; acknowledging his accomplishments and really realizing what he has endured from the left in an attempt to save this country. No one has jumped in on the GOP side to oppose Trump which indicates to me two things; no one thinks that they can do a better job at turning things around and no one wants to battle the bat crap crazies on the left.
Here we sit. God help us.
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@musiclady, since you know who that is, why not PM them?
We both know who it is.
But since you were acting as a Mod (not inappropriately), I thought you might continue with what you were doing.
But I can do that if you'd rather not. I'm not sure it's reportable, but it sure is mean to compare a Conservative with whom you happen to disagree with that despicable Greta child....
@XenaLee
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Agree with the cartels... but we have to stay engaged and bring the Mexican government along with that. We cannot do anything unilaterally. The Mexican government is out gunned and they know it but if we push to hard then we make enemies out of the Mexican people... Patience with pressure will get it done.
I don't believe that the Mexican people want the Cartel. One of Trumps best idea's was to designate Cartel terrorists. It gives our law enforcement much more authority to go after them right here in the U.S. And that would send a strong message that their business is not welcome. As for Mexico they shouldn't have any say whether we designate the Cartel terrorists. This is our country and almost every major city is infested with cartel business. Every family knows someone who has fallen to cartel drugs and businesses.
In Mexico politicians are murdered and people are terrorized. The cartel tactics are no less gruesome than ISIS. Why we fight ISIS overseas and ignore Cartel here is beyond me.
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'inability to apologise"
equals 'mindreading,'which is precisely what the President's lawyers said about the House DEMOCRATS' case.
To me mindreading fits well with scatterbrained thinking.
Like posting remarks, as if one 'knows" what Trump is/was thinking.
Having claimed to know what someone is/was thinking, it is easy to start your criticism of them too.
Next one can criticize them for what you claim to know they are thinking.
Further on you criticize them for not apoligising for what you claim they are/were thinking.
Having mastered that paradigm, you are now qualified to be a leftist joounalist, offering up fake news.
Nothing but bunk in that post.
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We both know who it is.
But since you were acting as a Mod (not inappropriately), I thought you might continue with what you were doing.
But I can do that if you'd rather not. I'm not sure it's reportable, but it sure is mean to compare a Conservative with whom you happen to disagree with that despicable Greta child....
@XenaLee
And again....
sue me.
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I guess you can expect others to call you whatever they wish also. It may be how they roll.
Go for it. I dare you! :whistle: :rolling: :silly:
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Note to Forum:
It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta. It's how I roll.
Sue me.
:silly:
Let's see what can we sue for? Steak dinner? Our choice of scotch? :shrug:
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Conservatism has been under attack for quite some time; I think we can ALL at least agree on that. What I find troubling is the blatant attack on our Constitution -- and it hasn't always just been by the left.
Right now we are witnessing a coup against this President -- he needs our support -- again, like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism. From what I can tell (and I haven't researched them all in depth) the DEMS opposing Trump are further to the left than even Hillary. Pelosi has lost control of the progressive leftist in her party. There is no accountability whatsoever on the DEM side and they will continue to push with lies and accusations (Pelosi's smear tactic) until they get their way...the public be damned regardless if they voted for Trump or not.
To sum up -- I opt (as of right now) to stand behind someone who I believe has taken this country in a more positive direction than to throw my hand up in the air because he has some flaws. I honestly seem some positive in him and a whole lot of patriotism.
There are no guarantees that he will be re-elected and in fact because of all the corruption from the left, I personally feel his chances are slim. What absolutely frightens my is the lengths that the left has gone to so far to overthrow this administration and there has been little oversight.
Same thing happened under Obama -- his overreach and the blatant corruption of the DOJ was unchallenged. 535 Members of Congress let him and them get away with it -- where was the oversight?
Yes, conservatism is under attack -- however I believe Trump is trying to hold onto the reigns of conservatism as best he can -- he has faced an uphill battle since day one. I saw Cruz as our last chance of restoring this Republic and moving in a more conservative direction. That hasn't changed. What has changed is realizing that the only glimmer of hope that this Republic has right now is Trump; acknowledging his accomplishments and really realizing what he has endured from the left in an attempt to save this country. No one has jumped in on the GOP side to oppose Trump which indicates to me two things; no one thinks that they can do a better job at turning things around and no one wants to battle the bat crap crazies on the left.
Here we sit. God help us.
Trump is his own worst enemy. He is doing his best to destroy his own election and this thing with injuries is a good example. He baits the left to take him on. And with something like this he can't afford to lose support of Veterans. Yet we are poo pooing the opinions of Vets about injuries. He should apologize, but he won't. If he can make enemies he will. Himself without help from the left.
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Note to Forum:
It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta. It's how I roll.
Sue me.
:silly:
Need more Trumplike shenanigans!
Need less "Time for unity in America! (better late than never)" pablum.
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Let's see what can we sue for? Steak dinner? Our choice of scotch? :shrug:
How about a bologna sandwich (no mayo) & Budweiser beer. That fits my budget better. :laugh:
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Go for it. I dare you! :whistle: :rolling: :silly:
OK Kellyanne.
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Need more Trumplike shenanigans!
Need less "Time for unity in America! (better late than never)" pablum.
Sez you. What's wrong with unity....?
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OK Kellyanne.
Oh...ouch. How can I ever go on???
Puhleeze.
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How about a bologna sandwich (no mayo) & Budweiser beer. That fits my budget better. :laugh:
Yikes --- oh come on -- we're now upping the ante. Prime rib dinner with au jus; horseradish mashed potatoes, grilled asparagus and top shelf scotch. Keep pushing and we'll sue you for desert too! :rolling:
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Oh...ouch. How can I ever go on???
Puhleeze.
Way to kind of me. I must think of some KKK name for you or something. If you are referring to me as the Greta kid that's the environmentalist you are just as big of liar as Trump. I have nothing in common with that girl.
But I was kind. You do resemble Kellyanne Conway.
Here is my new name for you. Margaret, as in Sanger. If we are going to call people names that have nothing to do with them. There is an ugly one for you.
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Yikes --- oh come on -- we're now upping the ante. Prime rib dinner with au jus; horseradish mashed potatoes, grilled asparagus and top shelf scotch. Keep pushing and we'll sue you for desert too! :rolling:
Let me guess..... Tiramisu. Or perhaps Tres Leches (that's racist!) cake. Hmm...
now I'm hungry. Thanks a lot! 9999hair out0000
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Way to kind of me. I must think of some KKK name for you or something. If you are referring to me as the Greta kid that's the environmentalist you are just as big of liar as Trump. I have nothing in common with that girl.
But I was kind. You do resemble Kellyanne Conway.
Here is my new name for you. Margaret, as in Sanger. If we are going to call people names that have nothing to do with them. There is an ugly one for you.
Lol.... you keep posting that "How dare he!" and yeah.... the comparison will be made. You must be new to forum sarc. New to US news, also (didn't know who Greta was?). Odd, that.
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Lol.... you keep posting that "How dare he!" and yeah.... the comparison will be made. You must be new to forum sarc. New to US news, also (didn't know who Greta was?). Odd, that.
I didn't. I could care less about the kid. I only figured it out by entering Greta into the search bar. That's how much I care about her and her agenda. You are the only one looking like an idiot.
Does the little girls scare you?
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Let me guess..... Tiramisu. Or perhaps Tres Leches (that's racist!) cake. Hmm...
now I'm hungry. Thanks a lot! 9999hair out0000
Lol ... yeppers -- Tiramisu.
On the note -- dinner is just about done -- out of here for awhile.
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You are the only one looking like an idiot.
Does the little girls scare you?
That's enough. All of you, stop with the silly name-calling.
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And again....
sue me.
Clever.
(Not).
I'm off the thread, Lord willing and the river don't rise. happy77
Nothing more to say here, other than saying once more that the injured troops deserve an apology for his minimizing what happened to them.
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I'm not a Trump fan. Everyone knows that.
But I'll take a Gaffe-a-minute POTUS Trump over a POTUS Sanders or Warren any day of the week.
Classic 'lesser evil' argument - logically flawed, as I am sure you know.
Several years ago as a Manager, we were all into the Myers-Briggs personality trait fad, and as managers we were to administer these tests, find out which of the 16 personality types each employee was, and then fashion our mgt. style to best extract the best performance from each employee. As complicated as it sounds, it worked pretty well (90% success IMO)
Outside the so called "tolerance aspect" Trump is a classical ESTP. I won't bore you with the technical details of how that is discerned, but one of the most glaring traits of an ESTP, is that these folks are famous for saying right off the top of their head what's on their mind, without any pre-cognitive thought. These kinds drive "ISTJ"'s like me crazy. But once you filter that fluff, "ESTP's" tend to be the most innovative of all people.
I am familiar. INTJ ... And while I set little store by these studies, that may be part of why he rubs me so wrong, too. INTJ are also innovators, but far looking. Critical path. Efficiencies. Logical structures. A friggin PLAN. Chaos players are death.
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No, apparently, Greta.... it's up to you and the other Trump-haters..... to 'decide' how serious their injuries are (half are back on duty)... even if/when you don't know the details. All you know is that you hate Trump and this is as good as any verbal attack you can utilize.
Ho hum. You need some new shtick. This is getting boring as hell.
@XenaLee
Most of these whiners are lying and know it. What happened is that when Trump made a call to find out what happened,he most likely asked about killed and wounded,and was told nobody was killed or wounded,so he said something to that effect. Then these pansies chime in with Traumatic Brain Disorder/concussion so they can claim Trump was lying.
I had a brain concussion from an accident while flat track motorcycle racing a year or so before I went to VN. Had a form on amnesia for several months. I could remember who I was and recognize people I knew,but that was about it. Roughly a year later I was running missions in VN.
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I'm a vet...many on here are also combat vets. This is a stupid hit piece, no more. These folks got concussed and that's something that needs to be treated...and is. The President and the nation honor their service and their courage. And yes, the president cares for these folks and nothing he stated contradicts that, but the truth is that in a major rocket attack such as the one that occurred, this kind of injury toll is miraculously minor. The President has done more to reform and improve VA med treatment than any President in my lifetime...and I go to the my local VA facility every month for treatment (so I KNOW of what I speak).
This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd. The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.
@Mesaclone
EVERY SINGLE WORD true.
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@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php (http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php) ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.
I should have marked my remarks as a feeble attempt at sarcasm. I know personal attacks are verboten here and for good reason. However, the prohibition doesn't seem to deter some people. Sometimes I think we need a time out on some threads till people either calm down or sober up.
I really don't do social media except for this site and one other because I've been called more than a few names and even threatened with bodily harm on some social media We are lucky here that the mods do a good job of keeping things from getting out of hand. On a number of other sites, the owners or moderators really don't give a *bleep*.
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Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.
@truth_seeker
ALL of who served knows what happened. Trump called the senior officer there,and asked "How many were killed or wounded?". The General TRUTHFULLY answered "None" because a concussion is not considered to be a wound,so Trump tells everybody no soldiers were hurt or killed in the attack,which is what he believes to be true,based on what he was told.
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Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?
Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.
That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.
He should not have said what he did and should apologize.
The inability to apologize is no form of strength. It is a serious weakness.
@musiclady
Are you a military doctor or nurse? No,you are not,or you would know a concussion/TBI is not considered to be a wound. YOU and those like you are the ones that need to be apologizing.
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All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.
I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....
@musiclady
ROFLMAO! And you no doubt consider yourself to be one of the "rational,thoughtful people" who post here,right?
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Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.
I'm done!
@Bigun
Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.
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@musiclady
Are you a military doctor or nurse? No,you are not,or you would know a concussion/TBI is not considered to be a wound. YOU and those like you are the ones that need to be apologizing.
Yes it is considered a serious injury. You may not call it wound being it is not open injury but injury it is. it can be very serious and is recognized by the Military as a injury, potentially serious with serious possible disability.
Severe TBI
This injury usually results from a significant closed head injury, as in an automobile accident or most open or penetrating injuries, where there may be considerable residual deficits of brain function.
Depending on the injury, a severe TBI could impact speech, sensory, vision and cognitive deficits including difficulties with attention, memory, concentration, and impulsiveness.
What are the Consequences of TBI?
TBI can cause a number of difficulties for the person who is injured. This can include physical changes, changes in behavior, or problems with thinking skills.
After an injury, a number of symptoms might be noted including headaches, dizziness/problems walking, fatigue, irritability, memory problems and problems paying attention.
These symptoms are often related to how severe the brain injury was at the time of injury, but there is much that is not understood, and this isn't always the case. Every person is different.
https://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-care/traumatic-brain-injury-overview.html (https://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-care/traumatic-brain-injury-overview.html)
Those look like things that could cause permanent disability if the injury is severe.
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@Bigun
Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.
How long do we have to listen to this? We can't even have a serious discussion.
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@Bigun
Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.
I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
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Yes it is considered a serious injury. You may not call it wound being it is not open injury but injury it is. it can be very serious and is recognized by the Military as a injury, potentially serious with serious possible disability.
@Chosen Daughter
So,are you FINALLY admitting Trump wasn't lying?
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How long do we have to listen to this? We can't even have a serious discussion.
@Chosen Daughter
Hit close to home did it?
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I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
I didn't know. Sounds like you husband is home now? Thank him for his service. Thanks to all our troops who serve and their families who serve also as wives and husbands and have to worry about them while they are away. To @musiclady also. I appreciate you, and the things you have been through as a mother.
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I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
@mystery-ak
They did nothing to protect your husband or son. There was nothing they COULD do to protect them. They just offered you moral support.
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@Chosen Daughter
So,are you FINALLY admitting Trump wasn't lying?
No, I am not. Listen to the video. He belittled the injury. Compared it to a headache. He isn't a Dr. Injury is a wound even if it isn't open. Do you need your brain? Do you have one?
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@mystery-ak
They did nothing to protect your husband or son. There was nothing they COULD do to protect them. They just offered you moral support.
@sneakypete
Sometimes that moral support is that important... it was a rough year for us when my son was over there but we had family close by..
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[He isn't a Dr.
Neither are you.
Injury is a wound even if it isn't open.
No,it's not. Show me ONE veteran that got a Purple Heart for a brain concussion.
Do you need your brain?
Probably not. You don't seem to need one.
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@truth_seeker
ALL of who served knows what happened. Trump called the senior officer there,and asked "How many were killed or wounded?". The General TRUTHFULLY answered "None" because a concussion is not considered to be a wound,so Trump tells everybody no soldiers were hurt or killed in the attack,which is what he believes to be true,based on what he was told.
I never served, but this to me seems more likely and perfectly logical. Why is it that this is the focus rather than on a ruthless, murderer of Americans and his own people was silenced, American lives were saved, but somehow people keep trying any which way they can to turn it into a negative? The President did NOT allow this to turn into another Benghazi. Hello.... We should be celebrating!!! Benghazi got covered up, was lied about ... and one of those responsible for the incident, was never held accountable and ran for president.
Our President does his darn job, saves American lives is criticized and impeached! What's wrong with that picture???
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This president loves the US Military more than any past president has, and has done more for the US Military than past presidents have. That's an indisputable fact.
Maybe you should ask a soldier who's actually served before you go speaking for all of us.
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@sneakypete
Sometimes that moral support is that important...
@EdinVA
Of course it is. It's the only hope you have. Fear doesn't bow to reality. It takes hope to stand up to it.
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ALL of who served knows what happened. Trump called the senior officer there,and asked "How many were killed or wounded?". The General TRUTHFULLY answered "None" because a concussion is not considered to be a wound,so Trump tells everybody no soldiers were hurt or killed in the attack,which is what he believes to be true,based on what he was told.
@sneakypete nice work of fiction and speculation.
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@sneakypete nice work of fiction and speculation.
@txradioguy
Eat my shorts.
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Years ago when the company I worked for got email capability we had to take a class on email etiquette and the big take away from that was no one can see you.
When you talk with someone face to face, you words combined with your facial expressions and gestures tell the person you are talking to if you are happy, sad, angry etc. so your tone, tenor and words are not the total message. How ever with email/messages you don't have the luxury of "smoothing" out your tone and tenor with your physical presence so you have to be aware that the humor in your head is not necessarily coming thru your message.
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Our President does his darn job, saves American lives is criticized and impeached! What's wrong with that picture???
Again, they b*tch about the man's style over the substance of his actions.
They simply don't like him and its all they've got.
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I never served, but this to me seems more likely and perfectly logical. Why is it that this is the focus rather than on a ruthless, murderer of Americans and his own people was silenced, American lives were saved, but somehow people keep trying any which way they can to turn it into a negative? The President did NOT allow this to turn into another Benghazi. Hello.... We should be celebrating!!! Benghazi got covered up, was lied about ... and one of those responsible for the incident, was never held accountable and ran for president.
Our President does his darn job, saves American lives is criticized and impeached! What's wrong with that picture???
I am sure not shedding any tears for Soleimani. But Trump shouldn't have lied about imminent threat. It should make every American mad. I sure would not be celebrating that any troops were injured in the aftermath of that decision. Glad Soleimani is dead but not glad Trump lies about it. Not glad he lies about American injuries also.
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@txradioguy
Eat my shorts.
Yeah...that's what I thought you'd say.
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@sneakypete
Sometimes that moral support is that important... it was a rough year for us when my son was over there but we had family close by..
Well, I look at it differently...I know you have seen action but it is hard being at home...hearing the news...every time a chopper went down my heart sank...and I waited for a phone call....luckily that call never came to me but it came to others that I knew....it is hard for those who sit and wait and having support from others really helped me.
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I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
Not to worry darlin...
Some of us *RESPECT* the Blue-Haired Old Ladies Committee :tongue2: :silly:
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I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
Wow. I can't imagine; the worry I think would have killed me or l likely too would have lost my mind. My son wanted to join the military when he got out of high school and I discouraged it. I think he holds some resentment and I probably should have let him go -- I see now how selfish I was.
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Again, they b*tch about the man's style over the substance of his actions.
They simply don't like him and its all they've got.
Well, as I said a hundred pages ago, I don't believe Trump has style or substance. Perhaps I could put up with his rough edges if he did his job, but he hasn't.
By the way, since when is it a terrible thing to call out the president if appropriate? Last I heard, we still have freedom of speech in this country.
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Well, I look at it differently...I know you have seen action but it is hard being at home...hearing the news...every time a chopper went down my heart sank...and I waited for a phone call....luckily that call never came to me but it came to others that I knew....it is hard for those who sit and wait and having support from others really helped me.
I have wanted to share something here for quite awhile. I type it and delete it because I don't want our grief to be open to discussion. It is just that we have lost a loved one to the Iraq war. Its hard, and I appreciate your sacrifice and am glad that your husband came home safe.
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I have wanted to share something here for quite awhile. I type it and delete it because I don't want our grief to be open to discussion. It is just that we have lost a loved one to the Iraq war. Its hard, and I appreciate your sacrifice and am glad that your husband came home safe.
My deepest sympathies on your loss. You and your family are in my prayers.
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I have wanted to share something here for quite awhile. I type it and delete it because I don't want our grief to be open to discussion. It is just that we have lost a loved one to the Iraq war. Its hard, and I appreciate your sacrifice and am glad that your husband came home safe.
Oh wow...I am so sorry to hear this....my deepest sympathies.... 8888crybaby
I was one of the lucky ones..my husband and son came home... :crying:
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Well, I look at it differently...I know you have seen action but it is hard being at home...hearing the news...every time a chopper went down my heart sank...and I waited for a phone call....luckily that call never came to me but it came to others that I knew....it is hard for those who sit and wait and having support from others really helped me.
I have also seen action @mystery-ak and I much prefer that to what you, and all those like you, had to endure. I knew where I was and what I was up against (at least most of the time) and you didn't. I'll take my part over yours any day and twice on Sunday.
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Trump is his own worst enemy. He is doing his best to destroy his own election and this thing with injuries is a good example. He baits the left to take him on. And with something like this he can't afford to lose support of Veterans. Yet we are poo pooing the opinions of Vets about injuries. He should apologize, but he won't. If he can make enemies he will. Himself without help from the left.
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Indeed.
Trump is impulsive rather than disciplined,
Further his likeability level is stuck at 50%.
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Again, they b*tch about the man's style over the substance of his actions.
They simply don't like him and its all they've got.
The "style" was to gloss over what happened to make it sound like the Iranians didn't hurt anyone.
The "substance" was that he blatantly lied about the severity of the injuries to some of my fellow soldiers.
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I have also seen action @mystery-ak and I much prefer that to what you, and all those like you, had to endure. I knew where I was and what I was up against (at least most of the time) and you didn't. I'll take my part over yours any day and twice on Sunday.
That's what Mike used to say....plus I had a son who constantly volunteered for patrols...glad I never have to go through that again..... 9999hair out0000
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That's what Mike used to say....plus I had a son who constantly volunteered for patrols...glad I never have to go through that again..... 9999hair out0000
Never say never! You have no idea what may come your way in the future. Especially if Democrats ever get their hands on any real power ever again.
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Oh wow...I am so sorry to hear this....my deepest sympathies.... 8888crybaby
I was one of the lucky ones..my husband and son came home... :crying:
Thank you. It sure changed my view on Iraq. I had many emotions concerning the direction that the country took. And wondered why we went there and then they just created a Sharia Law Constitution. I don't like Bush much. I liked him and then I hated him. Because I couldn't see the end game that would result in what I originally thought we were doing there. Then Obama pulling the troops out was more idiocy. It was sacrifice for nothing.
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Thank you. It sure changed my view on Iraq. I had many emotions concerning the direction that the country took. And wondered why we went there and then they just created a Sharia Law Constitution. I don't like Bush much. I liked him and then I hated him. Because I couldn't see the end game that would result in what I originally thought we were doing there. Then Obama pulling the troops out was more idiocy. It was sacrifice for nothing.
The Department of State has much blood on its hands and, IMHO, THAT is where you should be directing your ire. The problem in the ME was Iran then and remains Iran today although the current president's recent actions have somewhat alleviated that temporarily.
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The Department of State has much blood on its hands and, IMHO, THAT is where you should be directing your ire. The problem in the ME was Iran then and remains Iran today although the current president's recent actions have somewhat alleviated that temporarily.
That's the thing about getting rid of terrorists. There is always another waiting to lead them. Temporarily is right. Yes it is Iran and they sure moved in once the troops were diminished in Iraq. I feel the same today. I want everyone's family to come home but ISIS is not 100% gone. If we leave there will be a resurgence from Iran and ISIS.
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Well, as I said a hundred pages ago, I don't believe Trump has style or substance. Perhaps I could put up with his rough edges if he did his job, but he hasn't.
By the way, since when is it a terrible thing to call out the president if appropriate? Last I heard, we still have freedom of speech in this country.
Knock yourself out.
I'll continue to respond as is my right.
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That's the thing about getting rid of terrorists. There is always another waiting to lead them. Temporarily is right. Yes it is Iran and they sure moved in once the troops were diminished in Iraq. I feel the same today. I want everyone's family to come home but ISIS is not 100% gone. If we leave there will be a resurgence from Iran and ISIS.
I fear this will never end..at least in my lifetime....how do you eradicate evil....?
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I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry
Amen!! The support I got from you, and hopefully gave you in return has never left me.
In fact I was just with our son and we talked about the incredible support I got when Log Base Seitz was mortared while he was there. I don’t know how I would have made it without that incredible group of patriots and friends.
And the support our son got from Mike at Ft. Campbell- amazing!
@mystery-ak
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I fear this will never end..at least in my lifetime....how do you eradicate evil....?
You don't.
Eternal Vigilance.
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I fear this will never end..at least in my lifetime....how do you eradicate evil....?
You don't! But you sure can slow it down! Read about how Thomas Jefferson handled the Barbary Pirates. It's quite instructive but I doubt we have the stomach for that these days.
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This president loves the US Military more than any past president has, and has done more for the US Military than past presidents have. That's an indisputable fact. And another fact.... the feeling is mutual. MOST of the US Military loves Trump.... so nice try, no ceegar. And yeah... compared to having a limb blown off or your guts hanging out.... TBIs aren't "as serious". Get over it.
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Your assertions and indisputable facts are embarrassingly beyond absurd!!!
Some 24 Presidents served in our military, many w/distinguished war records, among
them; George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, US Grant, Zachary Taylor,
Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy; to name a third of them.
Trump's military contribution consisted of dodging the draft during the Vietnam war!!!!!
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I didn't know. Sounds like you husband is home now? Thank him for his service. Thanks to all our troops who serve and their families who serve also as wives and husbands and have to worry about them while they are away. To @musiclady also. I appreciate you, and the things you have been through as a mother.
The worst and the proudest time of my life.
@mystery-ak ’s husband was a literal Godsend for my husband and me.
Our son actually met up with him while he was driving convoys in the Sunni triangle.
(Don’t pay any attention to the bitter old man who lies incessantly about me. He’s a sorry case....)
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Your assertions and indisputable facts are embarrassingly beyond absurd!!!
Some 24 Presidents served in our military, many w/distinguished war records, among
them; George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, US Grant, Zachary Taylor,
Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy; to name a third of them.
Trump's military contribution consisted of dodging the draft during the Vietnam war!!!!!
So how does that prevent him from loving the military @Absolom? I seriously don't follow that reasoning.
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I fear this will never end..at least in my lifetime....how do you eradicate evil....?
Evil that multiplies itself. When you eradicate one, a hundred more ooze out of the slime...
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I fear this will never end..at least in my lifetime....how do you eradicate evil....?
Sure seemed like a good idea after 9/11. But that is the problem. Seems like an impossible task. Why I wasn't that enthusiastic about the ISIS guy or Soleimani. There is always another one, and we open ourselves up for possible terrorism here. Don't get me wrong. I am glad they are both gone. But I am realistic. One man doesn't make an army.
It would take all free countries to condemn the extremist Islam that fuels the terrorism. I don't see it happening. It is getting worse. And hearing about Afghanistan really brings it home. Trump trying to make peace with Taliban. We haven't won anything and all those people will go right back to being stoned to death in the stadiums. Having acid thrown in their faces and women not allowed to get education. Because I don't believe for a minute that the Taliban has changes or will honor any agreement made. What have we gotten?
And would the world condemn Sharia Law in a modern times where you would expect freedom? Doesn't seem like it. Most of Europe have accommodated Sharia Courts. I read about what is happening in Europe and think what kind of backward world are we living in?
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Well, I look at it differently...I know you have seen action but it is hard being at home...hearing the news...every time a chopper went down my heart sank...and I waited for a phone call....luckily that call never came to me but it came to others that I knew....it is hard for those who sit and wait and having support from others really helped me.
I was told by the same guy attacking us on this thread that mothers of soldiers don’t have a right to speak because we haven’t actually been in combat.
I have never been so angry at any smear from anyone anywhere than when he told me my sacrifice meant NOTHING.
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So how does that prevent him from loving the military @Absolom? I seriously don't follow that reasoning.
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While I accept that Trump may indeed love the military;
I reject the inference that he is a heroic figure to the military.
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The worst and the proudest time of my life.
@mystery-ak ’s husband was a literal Godsend for my husband and me.
Our son actually met up with him while he was driving convoys in the Sunni triangle.
(Don’t pay any attention to the bitter old man who lies incessantly about me. He’s a sorry case....)
That is so awesome musiclady. Must have brought you great comfort.
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While I accept that Trump may indeed love the military;
I reject the inference that he is a heroic figure to the military.
OK! Thanks! That makes far more sense to me although I tend to disagree simply because of what the military had to contend with for 8 long years prior to Trump's arrival.
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I was told by the same guy attacking us on this thread that mothers of soldiers don’t have a right to speak because we haven’t actually been in combat.
I have never been so angry at any smear from anyone anywhere than when he told me my sacrifice meant NOTHING.
If ever I felt like calling someone a nasty name it is now, but I won't. What kind of person does that?
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That is so awesome musiclady. Must have brought you great comfort.
It did. The strength we gave each other (mostly that they gave ME) was unbelievable.
In fact , 17 years later it still brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui8OCiZsWGw#)
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If ever I felt like calling someone a nasty name it is now, but I won't. What kind of person does that?
I don’t know. Perhaps one who is lost in his own rage?
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It did. The strength we gave each other (mostly that they gave ME) was unbelievable.
In fact , 17 years later it still brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.
I am sure it does. That is a priceless friendship.
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I don’t know. Perhaps one who is lost in his own rage?
That's true. None of us really knows anything about each others lives unless they share.
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I am sure it does. That is a priceless friendship.
It’s good to talk about it once in a while and reflect on how deep our friendship and how strong our bond really is.
Thanks for pinging me @mystery-ak , old, dear friend!!
(But I gotta say, neither one of us is, or ever was a ‘biddy!’ We’re both hot! :cool:)
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That's true. None of us really knows anything about each others lives unless they share.
True enough.
We can only make guesses based on their words. What seems obvious may not be at the core of what’s really wrong with them.
I just know that those words dug deep and have never gone away....
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True enough.
We can only make guesses based on their words. What seems obvious may not be at the core of what’s really wrong with them.
I just know that those words dug deep and have never gone away....
Yep. ****cute kitty
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Your assertions and indisputable facts are embarrassingly beyond absurd!!!
Some 24 Presidents served in our military, many w/distinguished war records, among
them; George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, US Grant, Zachary Taylor,
Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy; to name a third of them.
Trump's military contribution consisted of dodging the draft during the Vietnam war!!!!!
@Absalom
Take "PT John's" name off that list. He is personally responsible for the deaths and injuries of the crew of the PT boat he commanded due to negligence and dereliction of duty.
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I was told by the same guy attacking us on this thread that mothers of soldiers don’t have a right to speak because we haven’t actually been in combat.
Who told you that?
I have never been so angry at any smear from anyone anywhere than when he told me my sacrifice meant NOTHING.
Please explain what YOUR sacrifice was. Your son returned safe and secure,with all his limbs intact,did he not?
@musiclady
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Maybe you should ask a soldier who's actually served before you go speaking for all of us.
I've served, and that statement DOES speak for the vast majority of veterans. Like any large group of people there are "fringers" on any topic...but generally, the President is powerfully supported and approved of within the Veteran community.
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While I accept that Trump may indeed love the military;
I reject the inference that he is a heroic figure to the military.
And you know this....how?
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And you know this....how?
As are the vast majority of online comments, the poster’s opinion. What informs that opinion maybe left up to the reader to accept or reject.
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And you know this....how?
He doesn't know it... he's projecting based on his own personal opinion of Trump, which apparently is negative (who knew?).
It doesn't take an Einstein to discern that most of the US Military leans to the right and therefore supports (I won't say loves) Donald Trump. Yet some object to that.... for "some" reason.
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He doesn't know it... he's projecting based on his own personal opinion of Trump, which apparently is negative (who knew?).
It doesn't take an Einstein to discern that most of the US Military leans to the right and therefore supports (I won't say loves) Donald Trump. Yet some object to that.... for "some" reason.
@XenaLee
I served,seems like maybe 100 years ago,but that doesn't make me a member of the US Military. Alumni,maybe.
I also don't like Trump and wouldn't invite him into my home. I'd probably refuse to shake his hand if he shoved it at me.
You can bet your bippy I will be voting for him,though. He is the only hope of survival for a free and independent America that we have,and my PERSONAL opinion of him is irrelevant.
The fate of America and individual freedoms is more important than my personal prejudices.
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It’s good to talk about it once in a while and reflect on how deep our friendship and how strong our bond really is.
Thanks for pinging me @mystery-ak , old, dear friend!!
(But I gotta say, neither one of us is, or ever was a ‘biddy!’ We’re both hot! :cool:)
You're darn right!
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You're darn right!
888heartkitty
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Recipient of the Bronze Star and US Senator:
CBS' Margaret Brennan asked Cotton during Sunday's edition of Face the Nation if Trump should apologize to the soldiers, 34 of whom it turned out suffered traumatic brain injuries. She pointed out that Veterans of Foreign Wars, a prominent U.S. veterans advocacy group, called on Trump to apologize for his "misguided" comments about potentially dangerous injuries, while also noting Cotton likely knew several people who suffered from similar injuries during his time in the military, which included deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Cotton, though, argued Trump wasn't "dismissing" the soldiers' injuries, but simply "describing them." Tim O'Donnell
https://theweek.com/speedreads/891720/gop-senator-military-veteran-defends-trumps-comments-soldiers-brain-injuries
Describing them with the information he had at the time. My note, because it might have been what Trump was told at the time.
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Recipient of the Bronze Star and US Senator:
Describing them with the information he had at the time. My note, because it might have been what Trump was told at the time.
interesting take I guess. Or a lame attempt to spin.
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I've served, and that statement DOES speak for the vast majority of veterans. Like any large group of people there are "fringers" on any topic...but generally, the President is powerfully supported and approved of within the Veteran community.
And what exactly has he done for soldiers? Or veterans for that matter? I mean I know you think Trump walks on water and all but as someone currently serving and fixing to enter the VA system as a vet...I haven't seen much.
Please enlighten me.
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He doesn't know it... he's projecting based on his own personal opinion of Trump, which apparently is negative (who knew?).
Right and all those times I have stuck up for him you just ignore because for it to count I must praise him all the time right?
It doesn't take an Einstein to discern that most of the US Military leans to the right and therefore supports (I won't say loves) Donald Trump. Yet some object to that.... for "some" reason.
There's more opposition to him at this point than there was to Obama at the same point in their terms. Yes the military leans right...but their loyalty isn't guaranteed just because the person has an (R) by their name. Just because YOU love Trump that much doesn't mean the rest of us do whether we vote for him or support his actions towards the military.
Which at this point hasn't been much.
And I can guarantee you none of us serving would so willingly give him pass for glossing over something as serious as TBI the way some folks here do.
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And what exactly has he done for soldiers? Or veterans for that matter? I mean I know you think Trump walks on water and all but as someone currently serving and fixing to enter the VA system as a vet...I haven't seen much.
Please enlighten me.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/30/veterans-win-trump-administrations-mission-act-reforms.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/30/veterans-win-trump-administrations-mission-act-reforms.html)
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/469825-veterans-affairs-reform-is-now-reality-under-president-trump (https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/469825-veterans-affairs-reform-is-now-reality-under-president-trump)
https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/veterans/ (https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/veterans/)
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/30/veterans-win-trump-administrations-mission-act-reforms.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/30/veterans-win-trump-administrations-mission-act-reforms.html)
An opinion piece. Nothing factual or noticeable by the veterans suffering or in need of medical care they can't get right now. Just a lot of "hey looks e passed this bill" and nothing to show for it.
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/469825-veterans-affairs-reform-is-now-reality-under-president-trump (https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/469825-veterans-affairs-reform-is-now-reality-under-president-trump)
That's an opinion piece by the way. Someone's "opinion". Doesn't reflect reality.
The Hill? The source that gets mocked here because of allegedly being anti-Trump?
Bigger budgets don't mean things get better or that reform is actually happening by the way.
Hey get back to me on reforms being reality when a Veteran can take and use his VA Medical card at any hospital...or vets aren't killing themselves anymore in VA parking lots because they don't feel they have any other alternative because they can't get treatment.
Oh and hey...anyone seen or heard from the head of the VA lately?
https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/veterans/ (https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/veterans/)
Paid for by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.
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And what exactly has he done for soldiers? Or veterans for that matter? I mean I know you think Trump walks on water and all but as someone currently serving and fixing to enter the VA system as a vet...I haven't seen much.
Please enlighten me.
@txradioguy
Just thought I would dump my 2 cents...
The VA has been an absolute disaster since it's founding and no administration has been able to fix it so laying all of this on President Trump is not fair.
The "hidden" patient folders during the obama administration caused hundreds of deaths and those that were responsible were never held accountable because of the federal government unions protecting the career federal employees. It has become clear that our elected and appointed officials are legally unable to take the corrective action needed and we need legislation to change this.
If you will recall, the IRS Lois Learner event where it was discovered that she was "penalizing" conservative groups using the full weight and measure of the IRS. She was not only not held accountable but was allowed to retire with full retirement benefits because the government could not take action.
While I share your criticisms, I think the your focus should be elsewhere.
I am done... :)
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@txradioguy
Just thought I would dump my 2 cents...
The VA has been an absolute disaster since it's founding and no administration has been able to fix it so laying all of this on President Trump is not fair.
The "hidden" patient folders during the obama administration caused hundreds of deaths and those that were responsible were never held accountable because of the federal government unions protecting the career federal employees. It has become clear that our elected and appointed officials are legally unable to take the corrective action needed and we need legislation to change this.
If you will recall, the IRS Lois Learner event where it was discovered that she was "penalizing" conservative groups using the full weight and measure of the IRS. She was not only not held accountable but was allowed to retire with full retirement benefits because the government could not take action.
While I share your criticisms, I think the your focus should be elsewhere.
I am done... :)
My father in-law is a WWII vet. He has been able to go to doctors and specialists outside the VA -- he can go to the local hospital for treatment and not a VA hospital because of the distance. So the change has been welcome.