The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on January 10, 2017, 10:38:23 pm
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SOURCE: CONSERVATIVE REVIEW
URL:https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/ted-cruz-just-took-dems-sessions-hearing-hypocrisy-and-killed-it-with-fire (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/ted-cruz-just-took-dems-sessions-hearing-hypocrisy-and-killed-it-with-fire)
by Maria Jeffrey
During Senator Jeff Sessions’, R-Ala. (C,78%) Attorney General confirmation hearing today in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Ted Cruz, R-Tex. (A, 97%) pointed out numerous Democratic hypocrisies that have been manifested in the past few years and during the hearing.
Democrats on the committee, especially Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. (F, 0%) had been grilling Sessions on whether he would uphold abortion laws in the United States if he becomes Attorney General. Senator Patrick Leahy, D, Vt. (F, 6%) interrogated Sessions on LGBT rights, questioning whether Sessions would uphold civil rights laws as Attorney General.
But did the Democrats care when Obama routinely flouted the law?
Ted Cruz wasn’t having it:
CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO...
“When the Obama Justice Department sent millions of dollars of taxpayer money to sanctuary cities defying federal immigration law, the Democrats on this committee were silent. When the Obama administration refused to enforce federal immigration law…the Democrats on this committee were silent. When the Obama administration released tens of thousands of illegal aliens including rapists and murderers into the general population, Democrats on this committee were silent.”
Ted Cruz was kicking ass. And he wasn’t done. He pointed out Democratic hypocritical silence on Obama flouting the law and paying a ransom to Iran and for releasing Guantanamo terrorists without congressional approval.
Senator Cruz’s comments were met with acclaim from conservatives on Twitter:
And there goes @tedcruz back on the top of his game...calling out Democrats hypocrisy/lawlessness. Woo-hoo
— Melanie (@Melanieny5404) January 10, 2017
Ted Cruz is absolutely destroying the democrats on the Senate Floor. Thank God we have him in the senate. #SenateHearings #ConfirmSessions
— Conservative (@jamesesavengers) January 10, 2017
Preach it, Ted Cruz.
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Cruz is right, I'm proud I voted for him. He's showing loyalty to the party versus the jokers who always seem to find fault with the party. Go Ted Go!
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Ted being Ted, eventually he's gonna butt heads with President Trump and it's not gonna be pretty.
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Yes, Ted will call out people on either side of the aisle, as needed, no doubt about that.
Go Ted!
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Go Cruz!
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Yes, Ted will call out people on either side of the aisle, as needed, no doubt about that.
Go Ted!
That's a big part of the reason I voted for him and plan to again.
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That's a big part of the reason I voted for him and plan to again.
Yep, me too.
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That's a big part of the reason I voted for him and plan to again.
We was robbed. We had no presidential Primary in North Dakota. Otherwise, I would have voted for Cruz, too.
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Ted's a Conservative that still caucuses with the Republicans in spite of their bitterness toward him.
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Cruz is right, I'm proud I voted for him. He's showing loyalty to the party versus the jokers who always seem to find fault with the party. Go Ted Go!
"Loyalty to the party"? Tom, I don't know how to explain this to you so that you can understand it, but he's doing the right thing. His loyalty is to the truth, not the damned party.
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Ted being Ted, eventually he's gonna butt heads with President Trump and it's not gonna be pretty.
No, but it's going to worth watching!
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"Loyalty to the party"? Tom, I don't know how to explain this to you so that you can understand it, but he's doing the right thing. His loyalty is to the truth, not the damned party.
Exactly. Right is right. The party can #sand
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Thank God for this guy.
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Unlike the Donald, Cruz is a good man and is doing what is right, even though Sessions backstabbed him and supported the Donald. Cruz would have made a great President. One we could have been proud of.
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Cruz is right, I'm proud I voted for him. He's showing loyalty to the party versus the jokers who always seem to find fault with the party. Go Ted Go!
@TomSea
Lol, so you're back to being proud of him again? This week alone you've called him an amnesty supporter and said that his nasty campaign made you dump him.
Two days ago you posted a graphic of Cruz---for some unfathomable reason I don't care to hear about---as a kitten with little fuzzy ears, here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823)
But all it takes is a good word for one of Trump's cabinet picks and you're willing to support him?
See, this is why political parties can be damned, and why they deserve no "loyalty". When you twist yourself into a pretzel to serve them, you fall prey to partisan hackery.
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More proof that the wrong guy is getting sworn in as President in a couple weeks.
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@TomSea
Lol, so you're back to being proud of him again? This week alone you've called him an amnesty supporter and said that his nasty campaign made you dump him.
Two days ago you posted a graphic of Cruz---for some unfathomable reason I don't care to hear about---as a kitten with little fuzzy ears, here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823)
But all it takes is a good word for one of Trump's cabinet picks and you're willing to support him?
See, this is why political parties can be damned, and why they deserve no "loyalty". When you twist yourself into a pretzel to serve them, you fall prey to partisan hackery.
I think the word you're looking for is hypocrite.
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I think the word you're looking for is hypocrite.
@txradioguy
Sure does look like it.
Cruz will be back in the doghouse the moment he dares to criticize Trump.
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@txradioguy
Sure does look like it.
Cruz will be back in the doghouse the moment he dares to criticize Trump.
@CatherineofAragon I forsee plenty of times Cruz will place principal and the Constitution above party and draw the ire if Donny.
And people here who suddenly like him again.
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@TomSea
But all it takes is a good word for one of Trump's cabinet picks and you're willing to support him?
I don't think it was even a good word for a Trump cabinet pick, although I suspect Cruz added such a good word. It was an attack on Democrat hypocrisy *within the context* of considering a Trump cabinet pick. And apparently that is enough to turn on a dime, from waging an extended jihad against Cruz and even hijacking one's own unrelated threads to list *again* irrelevant anti-Cruz grievances, to proclaiming pride in having voted for Cruz. This is not indicative of sanity. And @TomSea is not alone in this, he is merely following Trump's own example.
Watch closely to see who stands next to Trump during the inaugural parade and festivities; they are likely to be airbrushed out of the photographs within a few months.
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@CatherineofAragon I forsee plenty of times Cruz will place principal and the Constitution above party and draw the ire if Donny.
And people here who suddenly like him again.
@txradioguy
This is why Cruz is worthy of support, IMO. He prioritizes what he knows is right and everything else can fall in line behind that.
George Washington warned about the mischief of the spirit of party.
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@HoustonSam
I don't think it was even a good word for a Trump cabinet pick, although I suspect Cruz added such a good word. It was an attack on Democrat hypocrisy *within the context* of considering a Trump cabinet pick. And apparently that is enough to turn on a dime, from waging an extended jihad against Cruz and even hijacking one's own unrelated threads to list *again* irrelevant anti-Cruz grievances, to proclaiming pride in having voted for Cruz. This is not indicative of sanity. And @TomSea is not alone in this, he is merely following Trump's own example.
Agreed, and thank you for the clarification; you're right.
Watch closely to see who stands next to Trump during the inaugural parade and festivities; they are likely to be airbrushed out of the photographs within a few months.
It's funny you should say that. A few days ago someone noted that those who supported Trump with the most dedication and fervor---Christie, Giuliani, Gingrich---ended up with nothing to show for it. Only Gingrich is still bothering to put himself in front of the cameras now and then.
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@TomSea
Lol, so you're back to being proud of him again? This week alone you've called him an amnesty supporter and said that his nasty campaign made you dump him.
Two days ago you posted a graphic of Cruz---for some unfathomable reason I don't care to hear about---as a kitten with little fuzzy ears, here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823)
But all it takes is a good word for one of Trump's cabinet picks and you're willing to support him?
See, this is why political parties can be damned, and why they deserve no "loyalty". When you twist yourself into a pretzel to serve them, you fall prey to partisan hackery.
(http://fscomps.fotosearch.com/compc/CLT/CLT001/z1581.jpg)
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"Loyalty to the party"? Tom, I don't know how to explain this to you so that you can understand it, but he's doing the right thing. His loyalty is to the truth, not the damned party.
Amen!!! Exactly. The truth is the truth. Party loyalty is not necessarily what is best for the people.
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@TomSea
Lol, so you're back to being proud of him again? This week alone you've called him an amnesty supporter and said that his nasty campaign made you dump him.
Two days ago you posted a graphic of Cruz---for some unfathomable reason I don't care to hear about---as a kitten with little fuzzy ears, here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.msg1185823.html#msg1185823)
But all it takes is a good word for one of Trump's cabinet picks and you're willing to support him?
See, this is why political parties can be damned, and why they deserve no "loyalty". When you twist yourself into a pretzel to serve them, you fall prey to partisan hackery.
@CatherineofAragon
If you wish to believe all that, go ahead, the saying I have heard is "they can dish it out but they can't take it."
Cruz endorsed Trump but he also endorsed Romney before; a lot of folks here, wouldn't even do that.
I voted for both, seems I'm following Cruz more than others.
Yes, "partisan hackery", sure, except when it comes to St. Cruz. Then we can disagree with him.
In the long run, as I said, Trump supporters support of Cruz may be more pragmatic and fulfilling of aims than just saying "I'm against everyone".
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@CatherineofAragon
If you wish to believe all that, go ahead, the saying I have heard is "they can dish it out but they can't take it."
Cruz endorsed Trump but he also endorsed Romney before; a lot of folks here, wouldn't even do that.
I voted for both, seems I'm following Cruz more than others.
Yes, "partisan hackery", sure, except when it comes to St. Cruz. Then we can disagree with him.
In the long run, as I said, Trump supporters support of Cruz may be more pragmatic and fulfilling of aims than just saying "I'm against everyone".
@TomSea
Support of Cruz, lol. You were vilifying him the day before yesterday.
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@HoustonSam
It's funny you should say that. A few days ago someone noted that those who supported Trump with the most dedication and fervor---Christie, Giuliani, Gingrich---ended up with nothing to show for it. Only Gingrich is still bothering to put himself in front of the cameras now and then.
I agree with Newt frequently - not always - but I think he's in front of the cameras because he enjoys it.
My low opinion of Trump notwithstanding, I'm willing to extend him some benefit of the doubt and figure that he distinguished between fervent campaign surrogates and Cabinet Secretaries, and recognized that loyalty in the former role does not predict success in the latter. But I wonder which of the paragons of success will be the first to leave and say something less-than-fawning, and then be derided as a "failure and horrible loser who begged me to hire him" in a Tweet. And then how long it will take for the Chorus of the Trump Infallibility Myth to change their tune about that outcast.
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Lyin' Ted at it again I see. Donny is going to have to do something about this loudmouth.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MErmxFOuSC8/hqdefault.jpg)
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Senator Ted Cruz - reigniting the promise of America. I have supported him in the past and will continue to support him for his run in 2018. This incident is a prime example of why we need Cruz in the Senate rather than serving as a justice. His extraordinary talent of an "audiographic memory" gives him a distinct advantage over most. In addition he is also a brilliant debater; that is what he does best. He argues on behalf of the truth! Go Ted!!! :patriot:
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@TomSea
Support of Cruz, lol. You were vilifying him the day before yesterday.
So you say, I am just recognizing what true conservatives are,
The one you just called a "cabinet pick" who is way more accomplished than Cruz per conservatism, Jeff Sessions, same thing for Mike Pence, way more of an accomplished Conservative.
But what did you say? Partisan Hackery? Yet, here is Cruz sticking up for Sessions, endorsing Romney and Trump.
I suggest one look up the word "hypocrisy"; though the Levinites would never recognize it, they have their checklist conservatism, that's what's important, not actually getting things done.
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@TomSea
Support of Cruz, lol. You were vilifying him the day before yesterday.
I'm not quite sure how to classify the change in comments and logic; mind boggling or just plain wishy-washy.
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@TomSea
Support of Cruz, lol. You were vilifying him the day before yesterday.
@CatherineofAragon
If I interpreted things like you, I'd say you are now calling Cruz a political hack.
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I'm not quite sure how to classify the change in comments; mind boggling or just plain wishy-washy.
Insane. And I don't mean that as hyperbole or insult.
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So you say, I am just recognizing what true conservatives are,
The one you just called a "cabinet pick" who is way more accomplished than Cruz per conservatism, Jeff Sessions, same thing for Mike Pence, way more of an accomplished Conservative.
But what did you say? Partisan Hackery? Yet, here is Cruz sticking up for Sessions, endorsing Romney and Trump.
I suggest one look up the word "hypocrisy"; though the Levinites would never recognize it, they have their checklist conservatism, that's what's important, not actually getting things done.
One day it may occur to you that Cruz has been the same solid, honest conservative all along; it was YOU who had it all wrong.
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Ted being Ted, eventually he's gonna butt heads with President Trump and it's not gonna be pretty.
Peeing in the punch bowl, already??
You're not a glass half-full kind of guy, huh?
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Peeing in the punch bowl, already??
You're not a glass half-full kind of guy, huh?
No we just know how petty and spiteful Trump is.
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No we just know how petty and spiteful Trump is.
The Donald's supporters are even worse than he is.
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No we just know how petty and spiteful Trump is.
This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
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@CatherineofAragon
If you wish to believe all that, go ahead, the saying I have heard is "they can dish it out but they can't take it."
Cruz endorsed Trump but he also endorsed Romney before; a lot of folks here, wouldn't even do that.
I voted for both, seems I'm following Cruz more than others.
Yes, "partisan hackery", sure, except when it comes to St. Cruz. Then we can disagree with him.
In the long run, as I said, Trump supporters support of Cruz may be more pragmatic and fulfilling of aims than just saying "I'm against everyone".
@TomSea us 'Cruzers' can take anything about Ted you can dish out, true or not, he is not 'our' messiah, a mere mortal that we can agree with 90% of the time and that's good enough for me.
As far as the rest of what your saying, it just didn't register, I tried, I read it twice.
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He argues on behalf of the truth! Go Ted!!! :patriot:
But he can't be. It was revealed in the Primaries that Ted is both Lyin' and owned by Goldman Sachs (by marriage)!
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
This thread is about Sen. Cruz doing the right thing and supporting the Donald's nominee, even though that nominee, a fellow Senator, did not support him for President. Therefore, this thread is also about the Donald.
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But he can't be. It was revealed in the Primaries that Ted is both Lyin' and owned by Goldman Sachs (by marriage)!
No Goldman Sachs is now good again since Trump appointed three of their alumni and a fourth by marriage. And the definition of "lyin'" is "sayin' somethin' that's inconvenient for Trump."
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So you say, I am just recognizing what true conservatives are,
The one you just called a "cabinet pick" who is way more accomplished than Cruz per conservatism, Jeff Sessions, same thing for Mike Pence, way more of an accomplished Conservative.
But what did you say? Partisan Hackery? Yet, here is Cruz sticking up for Sessions, endorsing Romney and Trump.
I suggest one look up the word "hypocrisy"; though the Levinites would never recognize it, they have their checklist conservatism, that's what's important, not actually getting things done.
@TomSea
I get it now, 'True Conservatives'.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243107.0.html)
(http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2016/03/lyin-ted-becomes-copycat-ted.jpg)
PS: It didn't bother me one bit, my skin is not that thin.
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
@DCPatriot
Yes he did, and that's the bottom line. The ball was moved our way and that's what counts.
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
Exactly right. The election is over. Donald Trump is going to be our President, and anyone who still cares about the future of liberty in America needs to understand that there is no "perfect" in politics or in life. Trump promises a far better potential future than Hillary and her radical associates would have, and I say that as one of his frequent critics. He deserves a chance to change this country's disastrous course away from Obamanism. I hope he proves to be amenable to wise counsel, and wish him nothing but success.
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Ted being Ted, eventually he's gonna butt heads with President Trump and it's not gonna be pretty.
You're right, but even if Sen Cruz loses he will still be right. We live in an age of celebrity not principal. Sen Cruz is ruled by principal, that's part of the reason so many Trump supporters think he's "preachy".
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Exactly right. The election is over. Donald Trump is going to be our President, and anyone who still cares about the future of liberty in America needs to understand that there is no "perfect" in politics or in life. Trump promises a far better potential future than Hillary and her radical associates would have, and I say that as one of his frequent critics. He deserves a chance to change this country's disastrous course away from Obamanism. I hope he proves to be amenable to wise counsel, and wish him nothing but success.
:beer:
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Ted being Ted, eventually he's gonna butt heads with President Trump and it's not gonna be pretty.
It is actually interesting right now to watch Cruz in action. So far he's publicly stated that he was voting for Trump, applauded Trump's cabinet picks so far and he's standing up for one of Trump's cabinet appointments. All this has helped to advance Trump and he should be counting his blessings that so far Ted seems to be on his side.
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Still hoping he's on the short list for one of the SCOTUS openings this next 4 years.
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Still hoping he's on the short list for one of the SCOTUS openings this next 4 years.
:amen:
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@TomSea us 'Cruzers' can take anything about Ted you can dish out, true or not, he is not 'our' messiah, a mere mortal that we can agree with 90% of the time and that's good enough for me.
As far as the rest of what your saying, it just didn't register, I tried, I read it twice.
Whew. Here I thought I was having comprehension problems and was back and forth on trying to categorize the commentary(s) between "mind boggling" or "wish-washy" ... "mind boggling" it is! Simply mind boggling! :shrug:
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
And that has been commented on. Feel free to comment on that as well.
However...
Potential clashes with Trump when Cruz stands up for the Constitution are a legitimate part of this conversation because we know that Trump is a Liberal at heart and there are things he will try to ram through Congress that will never get signed. Cruz and Lee will be leading the opposition.
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
Every thread becomes about bashing Trump.
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And that has been commented on. Feel free to comment on that as well.
However...
Potential clashes with Trump when Cruz stands up for the Constitution are a legitimate part of this conversation because we know that Trump is a Liberal at heart and there are things he will try to ram through Congress that will never get signed. Cruz and Lee will be leading the opposition.
I am hopeful, though doubtful, that to speed things along, Trump would confer with them first on Constitutional issues.
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Every thread becomes about bashing Trump.
No one here bashed him except in your imagination.
All that was brought up was a very real possibility.
How about contributing to the conversation instead of taking a dump on it?
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This thread isn't about Donald Trump.
It's about Ted Cruz undressing the Democrats for the world to see.
On this forum, EVERYTHING is about Trump.
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Democrats on the committee, especially Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. (F, 0%) had been grilling Sessions on whether he would uphold abortion laws in the United States if he becomes Attorney General.
What abortion laws? There are no federal abortion laws.
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More proof that the wrong guy is getting sworn in as President in a couple weeks.
And this adds to the conversation, how?
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[Cruz]'s showing loyalty to the party versus the jokers who always seem to find fault with the party.
BS. Cruz is showing loyalty to Conservatism and Truth. The Party will throw Sessions under the bus in a Manhattan minute.
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The one you just called a "cabinet pick" who is way more accomplished than Cruz per conservatism
St. Cruz
Now I know that's a record. You went from praising Cruz to denigrating him again on the same thread. I didn't think it would happen THAT fast.
@TomSea
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BS. Cruz is showing loyalty to Conservatism and Truth. The Party will throw Sessions under the bus in a Manhattan minute.
QFT
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Still hoping he's on the short list for one of the SCOTUS openings this next 4 years.
I think he has a future as a President or as a VP candidate. Being a leader is the Senate, helping with the tough going under Trump, he gains experience and name recognition.
The SC is kind of a lockout for those considerations. If he is as good as most feel he is, the SC might be a waste of talent.
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Unlike the Donald, Cruz is a good man and is doing what is right, even though Sessions backstabbed him and supported the Donald. Cruz would have made a great President. One we could have been proud of.
This is true. I am damn proud of Cruz. The jury is still out on Trump.
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No we just know how petty and spiteful Trump is.
Seriously ... are you still beating this dead horse @txradioguy? Even after the PEOTUS has made peace and forged alliances with those who wanted and worked for his defeat THIS is what you throw out here? Is there no better use of your time?? **nononono*
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Every thread becomes about bashing Trump.
Ain't that the truth ??
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But what did you say? Partisan Hackery? Yet, here is Cruz sticking up for Sessions, endorsing Romney and Trump.
Much better than cutting campaign checks to Chuck Schumer.
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On this forum, EVERYTHING is about Trump.
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
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Much better than cutting campaign checks to Chuck Schumer.
Or Hillary Clinton.
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I think he has a future as a President or as a VP candidate. Being a leader is the Senate, helping with the tough going under Trump, he gains experience and name recognition.
The SC is kind of a lockout for those considerations. If he is as good as most feel he is, the SC might be a waste of talent.
If he is as good? He is. No doubt about it. Listen to any of his speeches. Watch the videos of him grilling and destroying the Sierra Club and calling McConnell a liar. Without Cruz ..., Heller v. DC would have turned out a lot differently. He has made a name for himself already, otherwise he wouldn't continue to make headlines. When Ted Cruz talks; people now hear him.
I for one believe the SCOTUS would be a terrible waste of Ted's talents.
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Seriously ... are you still beating this dead horse @txradioguy? Even after the PEOTUS has made peace and forged alliances with those who wanted and worked for his defeat THIS is what you throw out here? Is there no better use of your time?? **nononono*
Work with people that didn't support him? You mean like what he did to the chairman of the Ohio GOP?
Is that the kind of teamwork you're talking about?
Oh and how's that swamp draining going?
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Ain't that the truth ??
No not really.
Have you thought of posting your own pro Trump threads?
Or are you only content to do that at TOS?
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Lyin' Ted at it again I see. Donny is going to have to do something about this loudmouth.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MErmxFOuSC8/hqdefault.jpg)
And don't forget that his father conspired to assassinate JFK /sarc
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And this adds to the conversation, how?
It's more substantial than anything you've posted.
Still waiting for you to actually put some effort into your posts.
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Fun Fact: The Trumpiest of Trumpettes have now gone from calling Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted" to "Lion Ted".....
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/10/lion-ted-cruz-challenges-media-champions-truth-through-far-lefts-smear-of-jeff-sessions/
What a bunch of disingenuous shitbags.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/7md6c25USTJPa/200.gif)
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The Trumpiest of Trumpettes have now gone from calling Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted" to "Lion Ted".....
The difference depends not on the truth of Cruz's statements (or anyone else's) but on how those statements reflect on Trump and his agenda. Trump has said plenty of things I agree with, but the intellectual dishonesty is more than I can accept. Had Trump and his followers not spent the first 5 months of 2016, and the week after the convention, slandering Cruz, we Cruz supporters wouldn't have such a hard time accepting this praise of Cruz at face value. And we would be much more able to work together with people who aren't disingenuous.
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The difference depends not on the truth of Cruz's statements (or anyone else's) but on how those statements reflect on Trump and his agenda.
I'm fully aware of that. I just like rubbing certain peoples noses in it.
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I'm fully aware of that. I just like rubbing certain peoples noses in it.
Sorry Frank, didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I always appreciate your take on things.
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The difference depends not on the truth of Cruz's statements (or anyone else's) but on how those statements reflect on Trump and his agenda. Trump has said plenty of things I agree with, but the intellectual dishonesty is more than I can accept. Had Trump and his followers not spent the first 5 months of 2016, and the week after the convention, slandering Cruz, we Cruz supporters wouldn't have such a hard time accepting this praise of Cruz at face value. And we would be much more able to work together with people who aren't disingenuous.
Cruz campaign accused Rubio of lying about the Bible, he said a lot of wrong things, campaigning about Israel before persecuted Christians, saying in Hawaii, Rubio was dropping out, saying in Iowa, Carson was dropping out, accusing Kasich of accepting Soros money which the campaign later apologized for.
And one is offended by intellectual dishonesty, we have it.
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It's really a cult; ignore the faults of one's own, to be vindictive against others, do not even criticize the one.
So much of this is grandstanding, oh, Cruz knows the constitution so well, while others don't; Megyn Kelly was so mean to Cruz but he was the champion debater.
Now we hear, Cruz who defended Sessions, endorsed Romney and Trump is okay to this and other things but others are called "partisan hacks" for going with the party, via @CatherineofOregon.
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Cruz campaign accused Rubio of lying about the Bible, he said a lot of wrong things, campaigning about Israel before persecuted Christians, saying in Hawaii, Rubio was dropping out, saying in Iowa, Carson was dropping out, accusing Kasich of accepting Soros money which the campaign later apologized for.
And one is offended by intellectual dishonesty, we have it.
Which of those did Ted Cruz actually say?
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Bush's ill-managed Iraq war saw persecution against Christians start up as early as 2003; authentic Christianity does not lie about what one said about the Bible or grandstand against persecuted Christians. We hear how these folks are so perfect and righteous but it flies in the opposite direction.
At least, Rev. Jeffress, Dr. Dobson recognized Christianity that wasn't just showboating; and they supported Trump.
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So basically, you are engaging in the exact same behavior that you are falsely accusing Ted Cruz of doing. The hypocrisy is strong in you.
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It's really a cult; ignore the faults of one's own, to be vindictive against others, do not even criticize the one.
So much of this is grandstanding, oh, Cruz knows the constitution so well, while others don't; Megyn Kelly was so mean to Cruz but he was the champion debater.
Now we hear, Cruz who defended Sessions, endorsed Romney and Trump is okay to this and other things but others are called "partisan hacks" for going with the party, via @CatherineofOregon.
Damn, if you're going to ping someone, show them the courtesy of getting their name right.
@CatherineofAragon
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Which of those did Ted Cruz actually say?
Our boy Tommy has trouble keeping his stories straight.
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Our boy Tommy has trouble keeping his stories straight.
Our boy Trump, just invited Mryle Shit to speak at his inauguration.
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Bush's ill-managed Iraq war saw persecution against Christians start up as early as 2003; authentic Christianity does not lie about what one said about the Bible or grandstand against persecuted Christians. We hear how these folks are so perfect and righteous but it flies in the opposite direction.
At least, Rev. Jeffress, Dr. Dobson recognized Christianity that wasn't just showboating; and they supported Trump.
Tom I was in Baghdad in 2003. Your claim about persecuted Christians during that time is completely false and totally inaccurate.
The Christian neighborhoods were living peacefully with the other areas.
The persecution of the Christians didn't start until Obama took over...his mismanagement of Iraq is what led to ISIS and the war on Christians.
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Tom I was in Baghdad in 2003. Your claim about persecuted Christians during that time is completely false and totally inaccurate.
The Christian neighborhoods were living peacefully with the other areas.
The persecution of the Christians didn't start until Obama took over...his mismanagement of Iraq is what led to ISIS and the war on Christians.
You call what he did to Iraq was "mismanagement"? You don't think it was calculated, given what he attempted in Egypt and accomplished in Libya?
Mismanagement implies it was a mistake in strategies.
It was purely a thought out process by a street agitator and anarchist.
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Our boy Trump, just invited Mryle Shit to speak at his inauguration.
Who?
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You call what he did to Iraq was "mismanagement"? You don't think it was calculated, given what he attempted in Egypt and accomplished in Libya?
Mismanagement implies it was a mistake in strategies.
It was purely a thought out process by a street agitator and anarchist.
@DCPatriot , @txradioguy
You're both correct. There is such a thing as "deliberate mismanagement." Very useful in large companies and bureaucracies because it allows the players to evade responsibility for failures.
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@DCPatriot , @txradioguy
You're both correct. There is such a thing as "deliberate mismanagement." Very useful in large companies and bureaucracies because it allows the players to evade responsibility for failures.
Whether Obama's policy in Iraq was evil or merely stupid is not related to @txradioguy 's point : he has first-hand knowledge that @TomSea is wrong about the beginning of current Christian persecution in Iraq. After claiming up-thread that he was proud to have voted for Cruz, TS is back to deriding him, this time with premises which have been factually rebutted by txrg.
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Our boy Trump, just invited Mryle Shit to speak at his inauguration.
Do you have a link for that? Google didn't turn anything for me first pass.
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I think he's talking about Meryl Streep
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Well done Ted Cruz
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Tom I was in Baghdad in 2003. Your claim about persecuted Christians during that time is completely false and totally inaccurate.
The Christian neighborhoods were living peacefully with the other areas.
The persecution of the Christians didn't start until Obama took over...his mismanagement of Iraq is what led to ISIS and the war on Christians.
Thanks you for your honest and unbiased input txradioguy. I really wish people wouldn't interject their factoids into this forum that they actually no nothing about.
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Thanks you for your honest and unbiased input txradioguy. I really wish people wouldn't interject their factoids into this forum that they actually no nothing about.
Christianity in Iraq
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/)...
After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, violence against Christians rose, with reports of abduction, torture, bombings, and killings.[14] Some Christians were pressured to convert to Islam under threat of death or expulsion, and women were ordered to wear Islamic dress.[14]
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Iraqi Christians have been victim of executions, forced displacement campaigns, torture, violence and target of Islamist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS. Since the 2003 Iraq war, Iraqi Christians have fled from the country and their population has collapsed under the Shiite-led Arab government.[29][30] Majority of Christians have either fled to the Iraqi Kurdistan or abroad.
In 2003, Iraqi Christians were primary target of extremist Sunni Islamists. Many kidnapped Christians were forced to leave Christianity or tortured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq)
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It's really a cult; ignore the faults of one's own, to be vindictive against others, do not even criticize the one.
So much of this is grandstanding, oh, Cruz knows the constitution so well, while others don't; Megyn Kelly was so mean to Cruz but he was the champion debater.
Now we hear, Cruz who defended Sessions, endorsed Romney and Trump is okay to this and other things but others are called "partisan hacks" for going with the party, via @CatherineofOregon.
Coming from the guy last summer who called us who didn't support Trump , the same as ISIS and AlQeda terrorist. Bubba.... you have no integrity or credibility here.
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Thanks you for your honest and unbiased input txradioguy. I really wish people wouldn't interject their factoids into this forum that they actually no nothing about.
Oh, please.....STOP!
"Unbiased", my butt.
It's no different that a rabid Cruz supporter over-estimating their influence and power for the past 1-1/2 years.
He was ONE soldier serving in Iraq. ....One who evidently didn't get out into the country very much.
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Fun Fact: The Trumpiest of Trumpettes have now gone from calling Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted" to "Lion Ted".....
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/10/lion-ted-cruz-challenges-media-champions-truth-through-far-lefts-smear-of-jeff-sessions/
What a bunch of disingenuous shitbags.
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You call what he did to Iraq was "mismanagement"? You don't think it was calculated, given what he attempted in Egypt and accomplished in Libya?
Mismanagement implies it was a mistake in strategies.
It was purely a thought out process by a street agitator and anarchist.
@DCPatriot I believe @TomSea was saying Bush mismanaged Iraq and caused the persecution of Christians.
I was simply saying g that's incorrect and it was the fault of the person you so accurately described.
And like you I believe what happened in the ME after W left was calculated and done on purpose.
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@DCPatriot I believe @TomSea was saying Bush mismanaged Iraq and caused the persecution of Christians.
I was simply saying g that's incorrect and it was the fault of the person you so accurately described.
And like you I believe what happened in the ME after W left was calculated and done on purpose.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq)
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Wikipedia? Really?
That's like relying on that debunked Lancet report on theb1,000,000 Iraqi civikians the U.S Army supposedly killed over there.
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Oh, please.....STOP!
"Unbiased", my butt.
It's no different that a rabid Cruz supporter over-estimating their influence and power for the past 1-1/2 years.
He was ONE soldier serving in Iraq. ....One who evidently didn't get out into the country very much.
A rabid Cruz supporter? Seems it's always ok to put Cruz and his supporters down, but if anything negative dare be said about Trumpsters you have a hissy fit. Well, DC, I'll put it very kindly this one time ... "Kiss My Grits"! Cruz was very influential in getting Trump elected; had he not stuck his neck out and said that he was going to vote for him, you may very well be having a hissy fit over Trump's liberal NY friend.
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DCP Cries credibility of others while citing wikipedia stories?
I just can't stop laughing. :silly:
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More proof that the wrong guy is getting sworn in as President in a couple weeks.
Well, the term "wrong" is relative - very subjective. There are widely varying magnitudes of wrongness. The wrongness of Hill-O-Lies being sworn in at president is a magnitude of difference from DJT or Ted Cruz being sworn in.
Also what a lot of pro-Cruz supporters are missing about the campaign (some references to him being "robbed" etc.) is that Cruz had significantly less popularity with non-aligned voters than DJT and it was the non-aligned (independent) voters who gave Trump the margin of victory in every swing state, not the conservative/Republican base. The base turned out strong in 2016 but that would not have been enough to get either Trump or Cruz elected without the self-described "moderate" voters.
The pre-election notion that Trump was one of the only candidates whom Hill-O-Lies could beat may have been exactly the opposite. It's possible that Cruz, being an idealist, would have lost that same self-described moderate voting block in crucial swing states that Trump was able to take away from Hill-O-Lies by a significant margin.
Cruz's best and worst trait as a candidate was his unapologetic ethical stridence. That made him an idealist to his supporters and an ideologue to the overwhelming numbers of non-aligned voters, who don't like ideologues of any slant much as a rule.
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A rabid Cruz supporter? Seems it's always ok to put Cruz and his supporters down, but if anything negative dare be said about Trumpsters you have a hissy fit. Well, DC, I'll put it very kindly this one time ... "Kiss My Grits"! Cruz was very influential in getting Trump elected; had he not stuck his neck out and said that he was going to vote for him, you may very well be having a hissy fit over Trump's liberal NY friend.
I've been reading BS and filthy lies about Donald Trump in here since June, 2015.
And haven't had a "hissy fit" since 8/15.
Cruz had absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump's victory. N O T H I N G!!! Don't attempt to take credit for it now, @libertybele
My only point was pointing out that you assign some kind of guru status to a member's opinion because he was in-country during or shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
....and that it's the same kind of thinking you're demonstrating right now.
Cruz is an honorable man. I've never said otherwise. NEVER.
And @txradioguy .....if you can refute the WIKI link with Facts.....show your hand, my friend.
You showed a helluva lot of nerve claiming what you did....that no Christians were murdered or even mistreated in Iraq, 2003.
....for as soon as that statue toppled in Baghdad...a lot of decades' old grudges and revenge were instigated.
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DCP Cries credibility of others while citing wikipedia stories?
I just can't stop laughing. :silly:
Links to prove otherwise? :whistle:
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Cruz had absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump's victory. N O T H I N G!!! Don't attempt to take credit for it now, @libertybele
Cruz and Pence barnstormed through Michigan for Trump the week before the election. Seeing as though Cruz did well enough in that very key state during the primaries and Trump unexpectedly won it by a mere 10k votes you'll understand if some of us are inclined to give Cruz a bit more credit than you are.
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DCP Cries credibility of others while citing wikipedia stories?
I just can't stop laughing. :silly:
Well, I'm not sure what is so funny about that. Wikipedia is uneven for sure and on some things( generally politically-slanted things), totally erroneous (most likely by design). That being said, making the blanket pronouncement that Wikipedia is a faulty source for all information is a cheap way of attempting to stultify an opposing opinion by innuendo and would not fly in any elementary-level debate. No points are awarded for posting childishly derisive emoticons. Negative points, however should be assigned for rudeness unworthy of this forum, IMO. I have no dog in this hunt but hurling insults (even by way of emoticons) and pretending that this somehow proves a substantive point is (forgive me) pretty low and says far more about the person using the technique than it does about the topic or the target of the insult.
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Cruz and Pence barnstormed through Michigan for Trump the week before the election. Seeing as though Cruz did well enough in that very key state during the primaries and Trump unexpectedly won it by a mere 10k votes you'll understand if some of us are inclined to give Cruz a bit more credit than you are.
Totally concur. It is nigh impossible to prove a negative and sort of outlandish to suggest that Cruz's support (or even a lack of opposition in the post-primary phase of the campaign) did not benefit Trump. It is and always probably will be arguable to what degree Trump was aided.
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Totally concur. It is nigh impossible to prove a negative and sort of outlandish to suggest that Cruz's support (or even a lack of opposition in the post-primary phase of the campaign) did not benefit Trump. It is an always probably will be arguable to what degree Trump was aided.
Trump won the state by .3 percent, so in this case a little bit of aid surely went a long way.
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Totally concur. It is nigh impossible to prove a negative and sort of outlandish to suggest that Cruz's support (or even a lack of opposition in the post-primary phase of the campaign) did not benefit Trump. It is and always probably will be arguable to what degree Trump was aided.
For the sake of argument, let's give Hillary Michigan's 16 electoral votes.
It still would show Trump with 290 instead of 306.
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Damn, if you're going to ping someone, show them the courtesy of getting their name right.
@CatherineofAragon
@Night Hides Not
LOL
"CatherineofOregon"...the English queen who hails from the Pacific Northwest!
Hey, it could happen. :pondering:
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@TomSea
It's really a cult; ignore the faults of one's own, to be vindictive against others, do not even criticize the one.
BS. I've criticized Cruz more than once and I'll do so again if he deserves it. You, on the other hand, have fawned over Trump and likened him to George Washington, Winston Churchill, and...I forget the third one. Charlemagne, probably.
So much of this is grandstanding, oh, Cruz knows the constitution so well, while others don't; Megyn Kelly was so mean to Cruz but he was the champion debater.
But you just said you're proud you voted for him. You're doing so many 180s on this thread that we have to wear a neck brace to watch you. It's like being courtside at Wimbledon.
Now we hear, Cruz who defended Sessions, endorsed Romney and Trump is okay to this and other things but others are called "partisan hacks" for going with the party, via @CatherineofOregon.
That's right. If party means everything to you, you're a partisan hack. That's the way it is.
And it's Aragon.
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Our boy Tommy has trouble keeping his stories straight.
Other than his droning refrain that Trump is more conservative than Reagan and more pro-life than anyone on earth..... **nononono*
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@Night Hides Not
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"CatherineofOregon"...the English queen who hails from the Pacific Northwest!
Hey, it could happen. :pondering:
Only if it's the Spanish part of Oregon.
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For the sake of argument, let's give Hillary Michigan's 16 electoral votes.
It still would show Trump with 290 instead of 306.
For the sake of argument; let's give Cruz credit for once where credit is due, as in; Ted Cruz Just Took the Dems' Jeff Sessions Confirmation Hearing Hypocrisy and Killed It With Fire!
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For the sake of argument; let's give Cruz credit for once where credit is due, as in; Ted Cruz Just Took the Dems' Jeff Sessions Confirmation Hearing Hypocrisy and Killed It With Fire!
Ah........so now we need to get back on topic, huh?
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Cruz also campaigned in IOWA w/Pence for another 7 electoral votes and Biden campaigned in Pennsylvania (21) so there's that.
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Only if it's the Spanish part of Oregon.
@musiclady
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For the sake of argument, let's give Hillary Michigan's 16 electoral votes.
It still would show Trump with 290 instead of 306.
Maybe. But getting Michigan certainly kept you from having to making several trips to the bedroom to change your shorts on election night.
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@musiclady
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@CatherineofAragon
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So you say, I am just recognizing what true conservatives are,
The one you just called a "cabinet pick" who is way more accomplished than Cruz per conservatism, Jeff Sessions, same thing for Mike Pence, way more of an accomplished Conservative.
You really think that a guy like Jeff Sessions, who eagerly endorsed Eric Holder as AG, is more conservative than Cruz?
What a laugh. We need to hope to God that as AG, Sessions is better at picking subordinates to the AG than his record of approving the AG.
But other Republicans said they would vote for Mr. Holder despite his acknowledged mistakes. Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, for example, said he was sure that Mr. Holder would be “a responsible legal officer and not a politician.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/us/politics/03holder.html?_r=0
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Oh, please.....STOP!
"Unbiased", my butt.
It's no different that a rabid Cruz supporter over-estimating their influence and power for the past 1-1/2 years.
He was ONE soldier serving in Iraq. ....One who evidently didn't get out into the country very much.
@DCPatriot I got out and about in Baghdad...to include the Christian neighborhoods...much more than you have...or ever will for that matter.
I don't bullsh*t or embellish what I saw or did over there. The only bias I display is one that favors the truth.
@musiclady
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@DCPatriot I got out and about in Baghdad...to include the Christian neighborhoods...much more than you have...or ever will for that matter.
I don't bullsh*t or embellish what I saw or did over there. The only bias I display is one that favors the truth.
@musiclady
BFD.....you got out and about Baghdad?
What about Tikrit, Fallajah, Mosul or Hillah? Or the dozens of other cities and towns?
You have to stop, @txradioguy . You cannot speak with any authority as a single individual who happened to have been in Baghdad, 2003.
This isn't about whose is bigger, my friend. I'm not arguing whether Saddam 'protected' his Christian population, but...
No Christian was safe in Iraq, once the Baathiss were sent scurrying for safety.
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BFD.....you got out and about Baghdad?
What about Tikrit, Fallajah, Mosul or Hillah? Or the dozens of other cities and towns?
You have to stop, @txradioguy . You cannot speak with any authority as a single individual who happened to have been in Baghdad, 2003.
This isn't about whose is bigger, my friend. I'm not arguing whether Saddam 'protected' his Christian population, but...
No Christian was safe in Iraq, once the Baathiss were sent scurrying for safety.
I can and I will speak on this subject from a position of authority because I know things about Iraq and what went on there that you'll never know. My job and the places I went for a year in Baghdad give me a wealth of knowledge you'll never have.
This is one of those times you need to really step back and take a breath before you look more foolish on this subject than you already have.
The majority of Christians in Iraq live in two places...Baghdad and in the North in the Kurdish controlled areas.
They weren't in those other areas that you mentioned.
In 2003 they were almost 7% of the population. They've dropped to less than 250,000 today according to the info I have access to.
That drop is due to the rise of Daesh which happened on Obama not W's watch.
Anyone who actually knows anything about the situation on the ground when we went in during the 2003 invasion would know those kinda things.
Which doesn't include you.
Look I know it really bruises your ego to not be able to act all superior to me on this topic and bluff and bluster your way to a "win"...but you're really out of your league this time.
Pick your battles more wisely next time.
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I can and I will speak on this subject from a position of authority because I know things about Iraq and what went on there that you'll never know. My job and the places I went for a year in Baghdad give me a wealth of knowledge you'll never have.
This is one of those times you need to really step back and take a breath before you look more foolish on this subject than you already have.
The majority of Christians in Iraq live in two places...Baghdad and in the North in the Kurdish controlled areas.
They weren't in those other areas that you mentioned.
In 2003 they were almost 7% of the population. They've dropped to less than 250,000 today according to the info I have access to.
That drop is due to the rise of Daesh which happened on Obama not W's watch.
Anyone who actually knows anything about the situation on the ground when we went in during the 2003 invasion would know those kinda things.
Which doesn't include you.
Look I know it really bruises your ego to not be able to act all superior to me on this topic and bluff and bluster your way to a "win"...but you're really out of your league this time.
Pick your battles more wisely next time.
Uh-huh.....and now you want us to believe you were some kind of 'James Bond'.
GTHO! :laugh:
Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there.
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"Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there."
And DC does such a wonderful job for this country. :silly:
GTH. And wipe down your Orange Trump kneepads while you are at it.
BTW....Thanks for going loony, and letting the forum know how narrow minded you really are.
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Uh-huh.....and now you want us to believe you were some kind of 'James Bond'.
GTHO! :laugh:
Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there.
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, it's usually wise to cease digging.
You've lost the argument by any rational measure, and insulting Texas isn't going to win you any friends.
@txradioguy
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Uh-huh.....and now you want us to believe you were some kind of 'James Bond'.
GTHO! :laugh:
Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there.
Sure,Sure, keep telling yourself that.
You may actually believe it one day.
Meanwhile. we will continue laugh at those who think the D.C. area is the center of the universe, as if there is some life-changing wisdom that comes out of there.
Kind of ranks up there with New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.
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Uh-huh.....and now you want us to believe you were some kind of 'James Bond'.
GTHO! :laugh:
Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there.
You've just reached double face palm, because one face palm is not enough for that level of stupidity.
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@DCPatriot I got out and about in Baghdad...to include the Christian neighborhoods...much more than you have...or ever will for that matter.
I don't bullsh*t or embellish what I saw or did over there. The only bias I display is one that favors the truth.
@musiclady
Loyalty to Trump makes the loyalists turn against Bush and everything he did, @txradioguy . In order to make Trump perfect, you have to pretend things. The meme of the Trumpists (mostly poor Tom) is that Bush killed Christians. It, of course, is a lie, but it's what they do.
For the record, your personal observance is far more valid that the anti-Bush propaganda of the Trumpists. Our son served two tours under CiC Bush, one traveling the Sunni Triangle, and one in Baghdad, and did not observe what the Trumpists (and leftists) are now claiming.
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@DCPatriot
Uh-huh.....and now you want us to believe you were some kind of 'James Bond'.
GTHO! :laugh:
What a wretched damn thing to say. Egregiously stupid, too. When you reach the point that you believe that a man who spent time on the ground in Iraq knows no more about the situation there than the rest of us, it's time to back away from the Trump fanboying. I suggest some fresh air to clear your head.
Must be something in that Texas water....seems all the 'nuts' on the forum come from there.
Considering that Texas manages to keep its electoral votes in the red column, and that Texans tend to hold conservative values, I'd say they're doing something right. I'm not about to disparage any of that. In fact, I congratulate them for it.
@txradioguy, those of us who are thinking appreciate & value your service.
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@DCPatriot
What a wretched damn thing to say. Egregiously stupid, too. When you reach the point that you believe that a man who spent time on the ground in Iraq knows no more about the situation there than the rest of us, it's time to back away from the Trump fanboying. I suggest some fresh air to clear your head.
Considering that Texas manages to keep its electoral votes in the red column, and that Texans tend to hold conservative values, I'd say they're doing something right. I'm not about to disparage any of that. In fact, I congratulate them for it.
@txradioguy, those of us who are thinking appreciate & value your service.
Amen!
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I think he has gall using the term "patriot" in his sn. What a puke.
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Loyalty to Trump makes the loyalists turn against Bush and everything he did, @txradioguy . In order to make Trump perfect, you have to pretend things. The meme of the Trumpists (mostly poor Tom) is that Bush killed Christians. It, of course, is a lie, but it's what they do.
For the record, your personal observance is far more valid that the anti-Bush propaganda of the Trumpists. Our son served two tours under CiC Bush, one traveling the Sunni Triangle, and one in Baghdad, and did not observe what the Trumpists (and leftists) are now claiming.
You're a laugh-riot, each minute, @musiclady
My point is that he's using the argument that since he served 'over there', in country, that he's the maven on all things regarding the persecution and slaughter of Christians in Iraq.
When he can provide a link...even from WIKI...clearly showing that no Christians were killed in Iraq in 2003, then I'll give @txradioguy kudos.
Furthermore....if he claims that the Wikipedia link I provided is bogus...perhaps he should edit it?
It boils down to taking the ridiculous position that since one never served in the military, that they concede all rights in discussing war and battle.
It's intellectually dishonest.
PS: I still love GWB, and I've never wavered. So....there's that you can shove where the sun don't shine, too.
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I think he has gall using the term "patriot" in his sn. What a puke.
Nice to know that I live in your head....rent-free, @catfish1957 :seeya:
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I'm sending out a sample.
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Considering that as I recall, Syria was one of the best places to live if you happened to be a Christian, I would posit that Obama and Hilary are responsible for killing more Christians than Bush. And since Trump was sure Hilary would do great job as secretary of state, then I believe using the same argument as against Bush, I would say Trump was complicit in that. Just trying to be consistent...
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I'm sending out a sample.
:laugh:
seems a lot of folks in here have lost their sense of humor.
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You're a laugh-riot, each minute, @musiclady
My point is that he's using the argument that since he served 'over there', in country, that he's the maven on all things regarding the persecution and slaughter of Christians in Iraq.
When he can provide a link...even from WIKI...clearly showing that no Christians were killed in Iraq in 2003, then I'll give @txradioguy kudos.
Furthermore....if he claims that the Wikipedia link I provided is bogus...perhaps he should edit it?
It boils down to taking the ridiculous position that since one never served in the military, that they concede all rights in discussing war and battle.
It's intellectually dishonest.
PS: I still love GWB, and I've never wavered. So....there's that you can shove where the sun don't shine, too.
You're an angry man, DC, and most of the time what you say makes no sense.
@txradioguy never said that NO Christians were killed in Iraq in 2003. You're setting up a false argument because you can't disprove what he's saying, since he WAS there, and you were not.
And the Bush stuff I said was mostly about your good buddy Tom, who lies repeatedly about him because he HATES him.
You should really get on Tom for his repeated lie that Bush killed Christians if you want to maintain any form of credibility.
btw, your crudity and stupid ad hominems aimed at me just make you look dumb. I never insult you personally, but you can't help yourself when you come after me.
Try refuting my argument without the juvenile personal stuff.....
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:laugh:
seems a lot of folks in here have lost their sense of humor.
Some people just aren't funny. You are one of them. :shrug:
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Some people just aren't funny. You are one of them. :shrug:
I've found that 9/10s of humor is in the timing.
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@txradioguy never said that NO Christians were killed in Iraq in 2003. You're setting up a false argument because you can't disprove what he's saying, since he WAS there, and you were not.
Here's @txradioguy 's post #85, @musiclady
Tom I was in Baghdad in 2003. Your claim about persecuted Christians during that time is completely false and totally inaccurate.
The Christian neighborhoods were living peacefully with the other areas.
The persecution of the Christians didn't start until Obama took over...his mismanagement of Iraq is what led to ISIS and the war on Christians.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 02:32:07 AM by txradioguy »
You need a drink, dear? Sip....and breathe.....breathe......
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I can and I will speak on this subject from a position of authority because I know things about Iraq and what went on there that you'll never know. My job and the places I went for a year in Baghdad give me a wealth of knowledge you'll never have.
This is one of those times you need to really step back and take a breath before you look more foolish on this subject than you already have.
The majority of Christians in Iraq live in two places...Baghdad and in the North in the Kurdish controlled areas.
They weren't in those other areas that you mentioned.
In 2003 they were almost 7% of the population. They've dropped to less than 250,000 today according to the info I have access to.
That drop is due to the rise of Daesh which happened on Obama not W's watch.
Anyone who actually knows anything about the situation on the ground when we went in during the 2003 invasion would know those kinda things.
Which doesn't include you.
Look I know it really bruises your ego to not be able to act all superior to me on this topic and bluff and bluster your way to a "win"...but you're really out of your league this time.
Pick your battles more wisely next time.
By the way ... Thank you very much for your service to this country! :patriot:
DC you've changed a lot since you climbed aboard the Trump train. :seeya:
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DC you've changed a lot since you climbed aboard the Trump train. :seeya:
Everybody does, it seems. One does not need to be a #NeverTrumper to see it. Makes me rather sad, actually. I lost a good friend to that, and it made exactly zero sense, the last PM I got from her.
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DC you've changed a lot since you climbed aboard the Trump train.
Yeah, I suppose so.....but I'm not the only one! :seeya:
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Everybody does, it seems. One does not need to be a #NeverTrumper to see it. Makes me rather sad, actually. I lost a good friend to that, and it made exactly zero sense, the last PM I got from her.
I feel ya.....
I could write a book. **nononono*
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Here's @txradioguy 's post #85, @musiclady
You need a drink, dear? Sip....and breathe.....breathe......
You clearly can't help yourself, can you? You can't post anything to me without a very stupid personal insult.
Such sanctimony and self-righteousness.......
I don't believe anyone displays more of it on this forum than you do. Why do you insist on bringing a forum that used to be a great place down? Why do you insist on lowering the standards here by being so condescending and snarky?
(Besides which, in your self-righteousness, you NEVER prove your point. This is yet another FAIL).
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I feel ya.....
I could write a book. **nononono*
Our friendship endures, you and me. I think it's because you know that I, while not on any train, am not a Never either. I'm a "Neither."
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You clearly can't help yourself, can you? You can't post anything to me without a very stupid personal insult.
Such sanctimony and self-righteousness.......
I don't believe anyone displays more of it on this forum than you do. Why do you insist on bringing a forum that used to be a great place down? Why do you insist on lowering the standards here by being so condescending and snarky?
(Besides which, in your self-righteousness, you NEVER prove your point. This is yet another FAIL).
OMG!!! You are a real piece of work.
YOU are the very epitome of sanctimony and self-righteousness in this forum.....and EVERYBODY knows it.
Just because a couple of lackeys come running to your defense all the time....don't be misled. They feel sorry for you.
I DON'T!
Furthermore....if I didn't absolutely LOVE this forum, I'd have left long ago.
Don't pull your typical sh*t....implying that I am dragging down the forum....hoping the PTB will intervene.
Go hug Fred.
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Everybody does, it seems. One does not need to be a #NeverTrumper to see it. Makes me rather sad, actually. I lost a good friend to that, and it made exactly zero sense, the last PM I got from her.
I've often wondered how that happens. Loving Trump (NOT just voting for him, but loving him) really does change people.
I don't buy that they were all angry and snarky before and this just brought it out. They've truly changed (and never for the better).
I've followed politics my entire life (more than 50 years of it, that is), and I've never seen loyalty to a politician (even a corrupt one like Trump) completely change a person's behavior like this.
It's sad to lose friends because of a creep like Trump.
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I've often wondered how that happens. Loving Trump (NOT just voting for him, but loving him) really does change people.
I don't buy that they were all angry and snarky before and this just brought it out. They've truly changed (and never for the better).
I've followed politics my entire life (more than 50 years of it, that is), and I've never seen loyalty to a politician (even a corrupt one like Trump) completely change a person's behavior like this.
It's sad to lose friends because of a creep like Trump.
Listen up, sweetheart.....and I use that term loosely.....
I've been on Conservative forums since USENET back in the mid-90's, and I've NEVER had a problem with other members.
I haven't changed. I saw Trump as being the best candidate and like you....I chose to be true to myself.
He won. I won. You lost. :laugh:
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I've often wondered how that happens. Loving Trump (NOT just voting for him, but loving him) really does change people.
I don't buy that they were all angry and snarky before and this just brought it out. They've truly changed (and never for the better).
I've followed politics my entire life (more than 50 years of it, that is), and I've never seen loyalty to a politician (even a corrupt one like Trump) completely change a person's behavior like this.
It's sad to lose friends because of a creep like Trump.
I don't think people change this dramatically, they just reveal their true natures.
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OMG!!! You are a real piece of work.
YOU are the very epitome of sanctimony and self-righteousness in this forum.....and EVERYBODY knows it.
Just because a couple of lackeys come running to your defense all the time....don't be misled. They feel sorry for you.
I DON'T!
Furthermore....if I didn't absolutely LOVE this forum, I'd have left long ago.
Don't pull your typical sh*t....implying that I am dragging down the forum....hoping the PTB will intervene.
Go hug Fred.
What?? You don't like being falsely accused of being sanctimonious just because of what you think?? You don't like being called names because of what you believe???
What a shock!
And yet you level that ridiculous charge at me ALL THE TIME.
Doesn't feel good, does it?
You also accuse people on a daily basis of bringing this forum down.
THAT doesn't feel good either, does it?
STOP your ridiculous personal attacks on people. Discuss your issues. Discuss how great Trump is.
But don't do to others what you HATE having done to you.
Thus ends the lesson............
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Reminder: the topic of this thread is:
"Ted Cruz just took the Dems' Jeff Sessions confirmation hearing hypocrisy and killed it with FIRE"
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Listen up, sweetheart.....and I use that term loosely.....
I've been on Conservative forums since USENET back in the mid-90's, and I've NEVER had a problem with other members.
I haven't changed. I saw Trump as being the best candidate and like you....I chose to be true to myself.
He won. I won. You lost. :laugh:
I would only have "lost" if I had wanted Hillary to win, and I didn't.
Are you repeating that lie, DC? Shame on you.
And if you think you haven't changed, you need to take a closer look. You cannot post to me without a dirty, ugly insult, no matter what I've said that you're responding to. You were never like that before.
You think everyone on this forum hates me. I know better. And I'm sure not changing my values because a handful of people don't like them, no matter how many time you call me names because my consistency makes you mad.
If I were that weak, I would have voted for Trump.
But I didn't. :patriot:
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I don't think people change this dramatically, they just reveal their true natures.
Yeah....over 28 years on internet forums, and suddenly I reveal my "true nature".
Nobody got along better with @sinkspur than I did. NOBODY!
And he was your 'Pope' in here on all things nevertrump.
Nobody else made a demonstrative effort to repair bridges and friendships with anti-Trumpers in here more than I did.
GTH, @Sanguine
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I don't think people change this dramatically, they just reveal their true natures.
Maybe so. Maybe they were just really good at hiding how mean they were before. :shrug:
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I would only have "lost" if I had wanted Hillary to win, and I didn't.
Are you repeating that lie, DC? Shame on you.
And if you think you haven't changed, you need to take a closer look. You cannot post to me without a dirty, ugly insult, no matter what I've said that you're responding to. You were never like that before.
You think everyone on this forum hates me. I know better. And I'm sure not changing my values because a handful of people don't like them, no matter how many time you call me names because my consistency makes you mad.
If I were that weak, I would have voted for Trump.
But I didn't. :patriot:
You made a big stink on people using the word "HATE" in here all during the heated campaign.
I never said anybody hated you. I said they laugh at your passive aggressive bullsh*t and your haughtiness in always claiming the moral high ground.
Try again. NOT!
PS: Hillary has nothing to do with it. You made a freaking career in here badmouthing Trump and his supporters. YOU LOST, baby.
BIG TIME!
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DC and musiclady...may I make a few suggestions...put ea other back on ignore, resolve your differences in pm's and stop subjecting the whole forum to your quarrels or just drop it altogether and move on.
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You made a big stink on people using the word "HATE" in here all during the heated campaign.
I never said anybody hated you. I said they laugh at your passive aggressive bullsh*t and your haughtiness in always claiming the moral high ground.
Try again. NOT!
I'm sure a few of your friends do laugh at me. That's not really a reason to change values and beliefs I've had my entire adult life, is it?
Or do you think I should give up what I value because a few people on the internet laugh at me? Do you think I should stop posting what I understand to be true, based on Scripture, because people are ridiculing me behind my back?
Obviously, I would prefer to be respected for maintaining my core beliefs and not ridiculed, even by those too weak to do it publicly, and who apparently PM you about how stupid I am, but the idea that I would say that adultery and sexual assault are fine because you laugh at me, the idea that I change my views that a society needs morality to survive because you laugh at me, is something I never could or would do.
So laugh on. My belief in the need for character in our leaders will not change. My belief that women deserve respect, that language should be clean, that a moral society is a better society, and every other value I hold, will not change.
Your laughter and ridicule do not hurt me, no matter how hard you try.
If I were so weak that I would lose my values because of pressure from ridicule, I would have done so long ago.
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DC and musiclady...may I make a few suggestions...put ea other back on ignore, resolve your differences in pm's and stop subjecting the whole forum to your quarrels or just drop it altogether and move on.
My apology for the disruption.
I don't need to put DC on Ignore, but I will ignore his out of the blue personal insults and not respond any further.
I've made my point here.
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DC and musiclady...may I make a few suggestions...put ea other back on ignore, resolve your differences in pm's and stop subjecting the whole forum to your quarrels or just drop it altogether and move on.
Yes, mam! :patriot:
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I would only have "lost" if I had wanted Hillary to win, and I didn't.
This is the crux of problem with the holier-than-thou branch of neverTrumps - - - they luxuriate in Hillary's defeat without thanking those who actually made it happen.
Just say "thank you" @musiclady to the Trump supporters who came out on November 8, carried him across the finish line and kicked Clinton to the curb --- while you did nothing but clutch your damn pearls and fan your moral vapors.
If you can't say "thank you" and move on--- then STFU. You represent a minority within a minority within a thimble for good reason. The world is sick to death of the self-righteous and useless prima donna nevertrumps---
@DCPatriot
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I don't think people change this dramatically, they just reveal their true natures.
Apparently so. It really becomes ridiculous when the topic is about Cruz and somehow the focus always circles back to Trump and how terribly those who supported Trump early on were wronged! It seems it has become an obsession.
At any rate. Go Ted!! Once again sticking up for the Truth and for Conservatism!! :patriot:
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If you can't say "thank you" and move on--- then STFU.
We have no intention to 'STFU' simply because we do not grovel at your feet and kiss your hind quarters in gratitude because you people have made a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who happened to run on the Republican ticket your king.
You represent a minority within a minority within a thimble for good reason.
Same sentiments were expressed to the editors of the Munich Post too. We don't hop into bandwagons of mass movements led by demagogues with little or no values that comport with ours. You are just party hacks and that is all the principles you people are governed by.
The world is sick to death of the self-righteous and useless prima donna nevertrumps---
Well, what do you intend to do about it? I plan on being a thorn in your prince's side every single time he gives me opportunity.
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Apparently so. It really becomes ridiculous when the topic is about Cruz and somehow the focus always circles back to Trump and how terribly those who supported Trump early on were wronged! It seems it has become an obsession.
At any rate. Go Ted!! Once again sticking up for the Truth and for Conservatism!! :patriot:
Hear! Hear!!
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A reminder didn't work. Pleas didn't work. Suggestions from the owner didn't work. The Mods have had it with the Trump Wars up to here (Picture my hand held flat and level at my eyes). This thread is locked, and our threshhold of tolerance for this crap has dropped significantly, you've all been warned.
I don't think anybody remembers what this thread was about, anyway. Maybe it was about Warren Beatty?