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Mattis denounces Trump in blistering statement on protests
By Rebecca Klar - 06/03/20 06:19 PM EDT
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Former Defense Secretary James Mattis condemned President Trump for his handling of the protests over George Floyd’s death in a fiery statement released Wednesday.
“I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled,†Mattis wrote in a statement to The Atlantic.
“The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers,†he added.
Mattis went on to slam Trump as trying to divide the American public.
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try,†he wrote.
DEVLOPING
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501026-mattis-denounces-trump-in-blistering-statement-on-protests
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full article
James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the Constitution
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/)
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He may be a good general but his knowledge of internal event is frankly ignorant.
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But they don't want equal justice under the law.
Isn't that clear by now?
There's a group that wants to be above the law. Not comply with lawful orders. Resist arrest. To commit crime without consequence. Some of this group's top leaders, some of which are public officials, say that looting is just reparations for past deeds of dead people. That is it is justified. Where in the law is that exception for some people and not others?
Mattis just proved himself an idiot.
Ask those people who lost their live, stores and property if it was just "a few people".
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He may be a good general but his knowledge of internal event is frankly ignorant.
Beat me to it.
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Mattis is absolutely correct. Good on him!
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“I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled,†Mattis wrote to the outlet. “The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.â€
This makes me think I'm living on a different planet than Mad Dog. I too was angry and appalled (just ask my wife). While I was certainly disturbed by the video, I was more disturbed by the countless people I saw injured by the rioters, the organized lawlessness, the agitation, the outright dishonesty of a media that absolutely hates white people, the deaths and countless lives ruined, and the cynical manipulation of groups who are standing the grave of llyod george to advance pure chaos and anarchy, maybe in an attempt to sabotage the country before the Trump election.
But apparently I stand apart from much, if not most, of the country, who saw something completely different. I'm just sitting here stunned and wondering what is wrong with me? Why am I seeing things so differently from the rest of the country. Mattis was a guy I respected and this feels like a kick in the gut.
I don't know if Mattis remembers, but their were certainly many protests under Obama's leadership as well.
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Mattis is absolutely correct. Good on him!
Mattis is dead wrong. This entire BLM 'movement' is built on a myth.
Try looking into the facts yourself for a change.
Or not.
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Mattis is absolutely correct. Good on him!
Absolute correct means correct on everything.
And that is absolutely not the case.
The riots and destruction weren't just a "few people". How about we start there.
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Absolute correct means correct on everything.
And that is absolutely not the case.
The riots and destruction weren't just a "few people". How about we start there.
Protests prior to the bad cop being arrested and charged, ok. 9 days later? Hell no.
There are no riots without protests. Time to stop.
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Mattis is absolutely correct. Good on him!
No he's not this time.
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This makes me think I'm living on a different planet than Mad Dog. I too was angry and appalled (just ask my wife). While I was certainly disturbed by the video, I was more disturbed by the countless people I saw injured by the rioters, the organized lawlessness, the agitation, the outright dishonesty of a media that absolutely hates white people, the deaths and countless lives ruined, and the cynical manipulation of groups who are standing the grave of llyod george to advance pure chaos and anarchy, maybe in an attempt to sabotage the country before the Trump election.
But apparently I stand apart from much, if not most, of the country, who saw something completely different. I'm just sitting here stunned and wondering what is wrong with me? Why am I seeing things so differently from the rest of the country. Mattis was a guy I respected and this feels like a kick in the gut.
I don't know if Mattis remembers, but their were certainly many protests under Obama's leadership as well.
Try reexamining the situation. Thousands of people passionate for real changes. Most of them are peaceful protesters, but the crowd has a criminal element. That's sad but it doesn't undermine others rights to protest. They need to arrest the bad element and support the peaceful protesters.
Try watching this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/06/03/dc-protest-george-floyd-white-house/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/06/03/dc-protest-george-floyd-white-house/)
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Is this one of those things that happen when you put a microphone in front of an azzhole?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4#)
Lincoln project is a joke.
There are NG units specifically trained for what is going on. That's why the NG gets called up for stuff like this. Riot shields in the hands of NG soldiers isn't unusual except to the Liberal media.
Welcome back by the way. Long time no see.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4#)
Again, another lie. He saw what all of us saw, people looting, murdering, assaulting. It enraged him as it enraged me.
Only liars or the willfully dishonest believe he wan't to quell dissent.
He wanted to stop the riots.
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Most of them are peaceful protesters
You know, you say that, but then why is every time these protests turn into massive riots?
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Trump calls Mattis 'overrated' after ex-defense secretary issues scathing rebuke
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501060-trump-calls-mattis-overrated-after-ex-defense-secretary-issues
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Try reexamining the situation. Thousands of people passionate for real changes. Most of them are peaceful protesters, but the crowd has a criminal element. That's sad but it doesn't undermine others rights to protest. They need to arrest the bad element and support the peaceful protesters.
Try watching this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/06/03/dc-protest-george-floyd-white-house/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/06/03/dc-protest-george-floyd-white-house/)
What "real change" to they expect? The simple fact of the matter is a black criminal is more likely to be killed by a black cop than a white one. Are the black cops racist too?
A riot is a riot. Looting is looting. Either those large groups of people do something about those who are using violence among them or they get swept into what those individuals are doing. How much looting do you allow and peoples livelihoods destroyed so that looters can join your protest unmolested? Do you expect the cops to analyze each individual present at the scene of a riot to figure out who goes and who stays? Once the riot starts the streets are ordered to be cleared. If you decide to stay, you are part of the riot/looting problem and should expect to be treated as such.
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Trump calls Mattis 'overrated' after ex-defense secretary issues scathing rebuke
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501060-trump-calls-mattis-overrated-after-ex-defense-secretary-issues
Like a moth to a flame. Trump hired him, Trump fired him. What a shock, a guy you fired is now saying bad things about you.
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Most of them are peaceful protesters
You're clearly not watching the same video the rest of us are. You're just straight up sounding like MSNBC at this point.
You and I normally agree...but you're wandering way off the reservation right now.
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You know, you say that, but then why is every time these protests turn into massive riots?
Because criminals look for opportune times to take advantage. You have to separate protest from riot.
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You're clearly not watching the same video the rest of us are. You're just straight up sounding like MSNBC at this point.
You and I normally agree...but you're wandering way off the reservation right now.
We do. I respect you very much. Your posts are always truthful and your life experience make your messages very appreciated. But people do not always agree. I guess this is one of those times. I think Trump is stoking division and violence.
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Because criminals look for opportune times to take advantage. You have to separate protest from riot.
:shrug: It seems like there's a helluva lot of overlap to me. In the meantime a shit ton of innocent lives were ruined or even lost.
I don't buy the "they have righteous anger" crap to be honest. I think it's 99% virtue signaling.
Like I said, you, Mattis, and me must live on completely separate planets.
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Hmmm, lets review shall we....
It is already illegal to harm another person, police or otherwise,
It is already illegal to seal, loot or burn buildings,
Trump does NOT run the police departments around the country,
Trump is not the mayor of every city in the country,
Trump is not the governor of every state,
Trump has offered federal support to every governor, mayor and police department in the country and they have, for the most part refused.
So please enlighten me, how is Trump responsible for any of this again?
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No he's not this time.
He is not the CinC. Mattis should stay out of the news.
If he wants to he could talk privately with Trump.
If a military officer did what he is doing, that officer would be in trouble.
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He is not the CinC. Mattis should stay out of the news.
If he wants to he could talk privately with Trump.
If a military officer did what he is doing, that officer would be in trouble.
He's letting personal acrimony towards the President cloud his judgement on this.
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op. Trump has kept those hundreds of US Military in Washington; they did not go back to their base. There were 8-10 troop carriers carrying these soldiers to the White House area yesterday. I head/saw they are still there today.
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op. Trump has kept those hundreds of US Military in Washington; they did not go back to their base. There were 8-10 troop carriers carrying these soldiers to the White House area yesterday. I head/saw they are still there today.
You really need to do your research before you copy paste this junk....
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op. Trump has kept those hundreds of US Military in Washington; they did not go back to their base. There were 8-10 troop carriers carrying these soldiers to the White House area yesterday. I head/saw they are still there today.
Well when the Governor of Virginia refuses to send national Guard troops into the District to help quell the rioting what the hell do you think is supposed to happen?
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away
Fact check? Is this true? I thought it was secret service or the park agency or something?
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op. Trump has kept those hundreds of US Military in Washington; they did not go back to their base. There were 8-10 troop carriers carrying these soldiers to the White House area yesterday. I head/saw they are still there today.
Those citizens wanting nothing more than a return to normalcy probably appreciate those assets being there.
Some people, in their haste to trash the president, seem to have forgotten all about innocent people being ruined both financially and physically in all this ‘protesting’.
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens.
This hasn't happened since 1957.
It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op.
Nope. It was the Park Police. The easy way to tell is that they were wearing Park Police uniforms instead of military uniforms.
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Fact check? Is this true? I thought it was secret service or the park agency or something?
It was the Park Police. But when have facts ever mattered to Democrats?
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Statement from United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan about the actions taken over the weekend to protect life and property
Date: June 2, 2020
Contact: uspp_pio@nps.gov
The United States Park Police (USPP) is committed to the peaceful expression of First Amendment rights. However, this past weekend’s demonstrations at Lafayette Park and across the National Mall included activities that were not part of a peaceful protest, which resulted in injuries to USPP officers in the line of duty, the destruction of public property and the defacing of memorials and monuments. During four days of demonstrations, 51 members of the USPP were injured; of those, 11 were transported to the hospital and released and three were admitted.
Multiple agencies assisted the USPP in responding to and quelling the acts of destruction and violence over the course of the weekend in order to protect citizens and property.
On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.
To curtail the violence that was underway, the USPP, following established policy, issued three warnings over a loudspeaker to alert demonstrators on H Street to evacuate the area. Horse mounted patrol, Civil Disturbance Units and additional personnel were used to clear the area. As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls. No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park. Subsequently, the fence was installed.
Throughout the demonstrations, the USPP has not made any arrests. The USPP will always support peaceful assembly but cannot tolerate violence to citizens or officers or damage to our nation’s resources that we are entrusted to protect.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm (https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm)
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Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis.
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It was the Park Police. But when have facts ever mattered to Democrats?
So Victoria is a liar then?
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So Victoria is a liar then?
Keyleigh explains in the video...
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Mattis is just another version of Bolton.
Both Mattis and Bolton had very strong opinions on the way the military should be run and what should be done in the Middle East. Both were in favor of continuation and possible expansion of military forces while Trump was ordering a draw down. They could not accept this policy. And both were fired by Trump.
This is nothing more than another butthurt rant by an exemployee of Trump.
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Mattis is just another version of Bolton.
Both Mattis and Bolton had very strong opinions on the way the military should be run and what should be done in the Middle East. Both were in favor of continuation and possible expansion of military forces while Trump was ordering a draw down. They could not accept this policy. And both were fired by Trump.
This is nothing more than another butthurt rant by an exemployee of Trump.
Its disconcerting to me how easy it apparently was for the rat press to seduce these rock ribbed statesmen and generals.
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Mattis is absolutely correct. Good on him!
Yes, he is. Trump would be well advised to at least try and make the effort to speak to the whole nation.
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Yes, he is. Trump would be well advised to at least try and make the effort to speak to the whole nation.
*chuckle*
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Mattis is just another version of Bolton.
who hires these losers?
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So Victoria is a liar then?
I think she got hold of some bad info that wasn't vetted before she posted it. I would hope she wasn't intentionally trying to deceive anyone.
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Yes, he is. Trump would be well advised to at least try and make the effort to speak to the whole nation.
To Antifa?
To urban looters?
To residents, that just read BLM and/or Antifa planning to go to the suburbs, for whites?
And of course there's another army of government workers, that can make entire careers, on the payrolls.
And yet another army of medical industry folks.
And yet other armies of social media types, parsing every syllable for hints of offenses against their SJW customers.
Does he offend their sensitivities, for safe spaces, for microagressions, their diversity?
Will transvestites get thei fair share of air travel pat-down jobs?
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I think she got hold of some bad info that wasn't vetted before she posted it. I would hope she wasn't intentionally trying to deceive anyone.
Me too.
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To Antifa?
To urban looters?
To residents, that just read BLM and/or Antifa planning to go to the suburbs, for whites?
And of course there's another army of government workers, that can make entire careers, on the payrolls.
And yet another army of medical industry folks.
And yet other armies of social media types, parsing every syllable for hints of offenses against their SJW customers.
Does he offend their sensitivities, for safe spaces, for microagressions, their diversity?
Will transvestites get thei fair share of air travel pat-down jobs?
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â€Speak to the whole nation†means bend over for the radical fringe.
Trump was speaking for the rest of us when he stood in front of the church. We know how those imploring him to “speak to the nation†felt about that.
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â€Speak to the whole nation†means bend over for the radical fringe.
Trump was speaking for the rest of us when he stood in front of the church. We know how those imploring him to “speak to the nation†felt about that.
Oh yeah. I missed the media, from my list. They mostly talk among themselves, and write downmainly their own ideas.
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who hires these losers?
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Just remember, I always seem to find a way to get even. Best wishes, Donald J. Trump.â€
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327410-trump-to-cnn-boss-i-always-find-a-way-to-get-even
DONALD TRUMP PICKED HIS FAVORITE Bible verse recently.
“Show no pity for the guilty! Your rule should be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.†Deuteronomy 19:21
This law is actually older than Moses, the Hebrew lawgiver who some say wrote the book of Deuteronomy. The law shows up in wedge-shaped cuneiform letters chiseled onto an ancient stone from what is now Iraq. The set of laws is called the Code of Hammurabi, named after a Babylonian king. It’s on display in the Louvre Museum in Paris.
I don’t plan on dwelling on this, but that law is the absolute opposite of what Jesus taught:
“You know that you have been taught, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to try to get even with a person who has done something to you. When someone slaps your right cheek, turn and let that person slap your other cheek.†Matthew 5:38-39
Jesus essentially declared the old law obsolete.
https://stephenmillerbooks.com/2016/04/obsolete-favorite-bible-verse/
I think he is serious. He plans on getting even with anybody that doesn't toe the line.
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How stupid is a Mattis v. Trump dustup at this exact moment?
Whether you agree with Mattis or not right now is inmateriable. He is giving aid and comfort to Antifa. This couldn't have waited a few weeks?
And to POTUS.... You don't have to respond to every single critical Tweet or op-ed. You should have other more pressing matters on your platter......
GEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!
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â€Speak to the whole nation†means bend over for the radical fringe.
Trump was speaking for the rest of us when he stood in front of the church. We know how those imploring him to “speak to the nation†felt about that.
It was entertaining. He looked like a complete idiot trying to show the Bible in different positions. And I might say that old Bible doesn't look very well used.
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We interupt the regularly scheduled CD anti Trump rant with a special report......
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Chosen daughter’s knee must hurt from kneeling before blm.
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I think she got hold of some bad info that wasn't vetted before she posted it. I would hope she wasn't intentionally trying to deceive anyone.
@Weird Tolkienish
@Hoodat
I watched the 6-8 troop carriers bringing in the soldiers to Washington and the anchor said they were our military. Later, I saw the info. the soldiers were staying in Washington. This was at the time Trump was saying he was going to use our military to go to the states. He later said the military did a good job of removing the protestors so he could go to the church. Military to me means our US Military - maybe he meant the National Guard but the announcers were also calling them our military forces. If I made a mistake, it is the first time in my life to be wrong. :rolling: :silly:
The TVs at this house are on all the time; one in the kitchen and one in the library room where I work. Both Fox and CNN are on. Between the two, I can figure out what the truth is. Right now CNN is talking about our military and the Defense Secretary and Mattis.
Don't say I "Love" CNN and should not listen to them. I know from working in politics, you have to get info. from the opposition to know what they are thinking and doing. It is the same for Fox, get their info. and maybe it is the truth, maybe it isn't. If I hear the same info. three times on a news channel, it is usually correct.
Right now, CNN commercial is about men's razors. Now it is about Sesame St. (sp). If you men need a good razor, check out CNN commercials. Hopefully, at your ages, you don't need Sesame St. in your life, but I could be wrong again. 66minnie
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It was entertaining. He looked like a complete idiot trying to show the Bible in different positions. And I might say that old Bible doesn't look very well used.
@Chosen Daughter
One of the news people said the Bible was upside down when he stopped moving it for the picture.
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But they don't want equal justice under the law.
@DB
And THERE it is. They want to be "pampered pets" with special rights and privileges no one else has.
Mattis just proved himself an idiot.
No,but he did prove himself to be a whore for sale. He is trolling for a cabinet position in the next cabinet if a Dim wins.
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Is this one of those things that happen when you put a microphone in front of an azzhole?
@bigheadfred
Yes. Especially if that butt-hole is a whore for sale who misses being an important public official.
You know what a retired General is?
Someone drawing a retirement check,nothing more,and nothing that impresses anyone.
Not that I am saying flag officers have egos,you understand........
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:shrug: It seems like there's a helluva lot of overlap to me. In the meantime a shit ton of innocent lives were ruined or even lost.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
HEY! Those people are already broke,so why would they care about their stores or the stores they work in getting looted and set on fire? After all,what is important here is that a psycho cop KILLED (NOT "murdered") a criminal that just got caught trying to commit another crime,who fought back.
OOOOPS! A BLACK criminal. We ALL know they are the very bestest kind because the laws aren't supposed to apply to them. Blacks are "SPECIAL".
There are several generations of mostly black people who have never even HAD a freaking job,so why should anybody care about white people losing their stores and jobs?
Let's focus here,people! We need to officially declare that black criminals are National Pets,and not to be disturbed under the "Protected Species Act".
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Hmmm, lets review shall we....
It is already illegal to harm another person, police or otherwise,
It is already illegal to seal, loot or burn buildings,
Trump does NOT run the police departments around the country,
Trump is not the mayor of every city in the country,
Trump is not the governor of every state,
Trump has offered federal support to every governor, mayor and police department in the country and they have, for the most part refused.
So please enlighten me, how is Trump responsible for any of this again?
@EdinVA
"Orange Man Bad",as opposed to "Black Man Always Good".
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@Hoodat
The Pentagon ordered active-duty military police from the XVIII Airborne Corps at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to the D.C. area to await a request to assist with the Guard response, but so far U.S. Army officials have remained tight-lipped about the deployment.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/02/heres-what-you-need-know-about-pentagons-riot-response-and-martial-law.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/02/heres-what-you-need-know-about-pentagons-riot-response-and-martial-law.html)
THE ABOVE IS WHAT I SAW IN WASHINGTON - MILITARY TROOP CARRIERS WITH SOLDIERS IN THEM. See, I was right as usual. 333cleo
@Hoodat thanks for your posts.
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â€Speak to the whole nation†means bend over for the radical fringe.
No it doesn't. It means speaking to the majority who both warring political tribes ignore. According to a Reuters/Ispos poll released on Tuesday, 73% support "the peaceful protests and demonstrations that have taken place" and 79% believe looting and vandalism "undermine the original protests' case for justice".
The protests want an end to systemic racism, but looting does nothing but stoke racist tropes and fears. The latter undermine the former, because systemic racism is undergirded by the undeniable fact that a lot of white folks are scared of black people. It has taken 50 years to calm those fears since the last round of riots, and rebuild the communities shattered. Here in Philly, a guy named Jeff Brown did something no had done, ever, in black Philadelphia communities - build new, modern supermarkets that employed hundreds of folks in the community with good-paying, union jobs. Three of those supermarkets have been looted and destroyed. Brown complained that one store was looted for 15 hours straight with no help from the cops (the mayor's more concerned about taking down the Frank Rizzo statue).
These are thousands of minority voters who want both justice, and the return of sanity and safety. They are indeed, with so many of us, the core of a new silent majority.
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Some people, in their haste to trash the president, seem to have forgotten all about innocent people being ruined both financially and physically in all this ‘protesting’.
@skeeter
No,they didn't. They just don't care as long as they can score points against "Bad Orange Man".
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This hasn't happened since 1957.
@Hoodat
You must have slept through the 60's.
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No it doesn't. It means speaking to the majority who both warring political tribes ignore. According to a Reuters/Ispos poll released on Tuesday, 73% support "the peaceful protests and demonstrations that have taken place" and 79% believe looting and vandalism "undermine the original protests' case for justice".
The protests want an end to systemic racism, but looting does nothing but stoke racist tropes and fears. The latter undermine the former, because systemic racism is undergirded by the undeniable fact that a lot of white folks are scared of black people. It has taken 50 years to calm those fears since the last round of riots, and rebuild the communities shattered. Here in Philly, a guy named Jeff Brown did something no had done, ever, in black Philadelphia communities - build new, modern supermarkets that employed hundreds of folks in the community with good-paying, union jobs. Three of those supermarkets have been looted and destroyed. Brown complained that one store was looted for 15 hours straight with no help from the cops (the mayor's more concerned about taking down the Frank Rizzo statue).
These are thousands of minority voters who want both justice, and the return of sanity and safety. They are indeed, with so many of us, the core of a new silent majority.
@Jazzhead
So, it has been illegal for centuries to burn and pillage property and beat, stab and shoot people and these folks have decided that they are going to ignore the rule of law.
What makes you think that a 10 minute lecture from ANYONE is going to change that?
How are the rioters any different than the cops that "killed" Floyd?
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Mattis is just another version of Bolton.
Both Mattis and Bolton had very strong opinions on the way the military should be run and what should be done in the Middle East. Both were in favor of continuation and possible expansion of military forces while Trump was ordering a draw down. They could not accept this policy. And both were fired by Trump.
This is nothing more than another butthurt rant by an exemployee of Trump.
@240B
Well,that AND a desperate plea to be hired again if the Dims win.
If he can't get any promises,it wouldn't surprise me to see him running for public office come the elections.
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Its disconcerting to me how easy it apparently was for the rat press to seduce these rock ribbed statesmen and generals.
@skeeter
Another way of saying "attention whores".
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Yes, he is. Trump would be well advised to at least try and make the effort to speak to the whole nation.
@Jazzhead
"We iz da wurld........
We iz da peep-pulls........
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Its disconcerting to me how easy it apparently was for the rat press to seduce these rock ribbed statesmen and generals.
@skeeter
Field grade officers are just politicians in uniform.... Follow the money!
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No it doesn't. It means speaking to the majority who both warring political tribes ignore. According to a Reuters/Ispos poll released on Tuesday, 73% support "the peaceful protests and demonstrations that have taken place" and 79% believe looting and vandalism "undermine the original protests' case for justice".
The protests want an end to systemic racism, but looting does nothing but stoke racist tropes and fears. The latter undermine the former, because systemic racism is undergirded by the undeniable fact that a lot of white folks are scared of black people. It has taken 50 years to calm those fears since the last round of riots, and rebuild the communities shattered. Here in Philly, a guy named Jeff Brown did something no had done, ever, in black Philadelphia communities - build new, modern supermarkets that employed hundreds of folks in the community with good-paying, union jobs. Three of those supermarkets have been looted and destroyed. Brown complained that one store was looted for 15 hours straight with no help from the cops (the mayor's more concerned about taking down the Frank Rizzo statue).
These are thousands of minority voters who want both justice, and the return of sanity and safety. They are indeed, with so many of us, the core of a new silent majority.
@Jazzhead
Thanks for your post. It is the truth.
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No it doesn't. It means speaking to the majority who both warring political tribes ignore. According to a Reuters/Ispos poll released on Tuesday, 73% support "the peaceful protests and demonstrations that have taken place" and 79% believe looting and vandalism "undermine the original protests' case for justice".
The protests want an end to systemic racism, but looting does nothing but stoke racist tropes and fears. The latter undermine the former, because systemic racism is undergirded by the undeniable fact that a lot of white folks are scared of black people. It has taken 50 years to calm those fears since the last round of riots, and rebuild the communities shattered. Here in Philly, a guy named Jeff Brown did something no had done, ever, in black Philadelphia communities - build new, modern supermarkets that employed hundreds of folks in the community with good-paying, union jobs. Three of those supermarkets have been looted and destroyed. Brown complained that one store was looted for 15 hours straight with no help from the cops (the mayor's more concerned about taking down the Frank Rizzo statue).
These are thousands of minority voters who want both justice, and the return of sanity and safety. They are indeed, with so many of us, the core of a new silent majority.
Sure it does. Its obvious you've already surrendered to the marxist mob.
The 'systemic racism' trope lasts only up until one asks for examples of it and specific ways to end it.
There are none because it doesn't exist. There are individual racists - of all stripes - but there is no 'systemic racism'. That is the language of the mob. A means of ascribing guilt by association.
All blacks aren't out in the streets agitating for reform. MOST already have the reform they need - jobs and a opportunity to live free and improve one's own lot. As do all Americans. If 'systemic racism' exists how can this be possible?
Accepting the premise of the looters and rioters simply guarantees endless looting and rioting.
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Chosen daughter’s knee must hurt from kneeling before blm.
America is in political peril. Radical marxism is on the march. There’s turmoil on the streets of our cities. The fabric of our country is tearing apart.
Our police are under attack, capitalism under attack, race relations in tatters, the traditional family structure disparaged and discarded. The time for being polite to the enemies of liberty and freedom in the name of comity, is over.
I’m usually first to dismiss the idea that of one of our members might be a leftist pretending to be a conservative, who’s just offering up a different point of view. But not so with this one. She is a dishonest provocateur, a liar, stirring up shit, spreading disinformation and discord. She deserves only to be snubbed.
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@Weird Tolkienish
@Hoodat
He later said the military did a good job of removing the protestors so he could go to the church.
I would have to see the actual quote. I don't recall Trump thanking the military for clearing the street. Nor did I see any military members removing protesters. Park Police? Yes. Military? No.
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These are thousands of minority voters who want both justice, and the return of sanity and safety.
@Jazzhead
Yes,and they get NO attention at all because they don't have a bunch of Rev-Runds pimping them out.
"If it bleeds,it leads" is the mantra of the media and the professional fools and crooks we call politicians,and that DEFINITELY applies to protest rallies. No actual blood is even necessary,just the visual image of hundreds to thousands of "people who must NOT be criticized" chanting threats in the streets.
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I’m usually first to dismiss the idea that of one of our members might be a leftist pretending to be a conservative, .......
@aligncare
I KNOW I am going to get flamed for this,but Jesus was the original communist. That's why the cult of Marxism hated and feared Christianity so much. They couldn't stand the competition or the comparison between Marx and Jesus.
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America is in political peril. Radical marxism is on the march. There’s turmoil on the streets of our cities. The fabric of our country is tearing apart.
Our police are under attack, capitalism under attack, race relations in tatters, the traditional family structure disparaged and discarded. The time for being polite to the enemies of liberty and freedom in the name of comity, is over.
I’m usually first to dismiss the idea that of one of our members might be a leftist pretending to be a conservative, who’s just offering up a different point of view. But not so with this one. She is a dishonest provocateur, a liar, stirring up shit, spreading disinformation and discord. She deserves only to be snubbed.
Well said @aligncare :beer:
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@Chosen Daughter
One of the news people said the Bible was upside down when he stopped moving it for the picture.
It was absolutely ridiculous. He looked like he was straining to even touch it. His face was very awkward also. He looked as phony as he is.
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Chosen daughter’s knee must hurt from kneeling before blm.
Oh yes, just because I don't go along with Trump and his faker Christianity.
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Oh yes, just because I don't go along with Trump and his faker Christianity.
You apparently agree with Mattis with them then, don't you? I have many differences with Trump personally, on this one, I stand with him so far.
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@Hoodat
The Pentagon ordered active-duty military police from the XVIII Airborne Corps at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to the D.C. area to await a request to assist with the Guard response, but so far U.S. Army officials have remained tight-lipped about the deployment.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/02/heres-what-you-need-know-about-pentagons-riot-response-and-martial-law.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/02/heres-what-you-need-know-about-pentagons-riot-response-and-martial-law.html)
THE ABOVE IS WHAT I SAW IN WASHINGTON - MILITARY TROOP CARRIERS WITH SOLDIERS IN THEM. See, I was right as usual. 333cleo
@Hoodat thanks for your posts.
This from the Hill too
“The military moved them back. I guess they just reported there were no, what do you call them, the rubber bullets. There was none of that used,†Trump said in the interview, which was taped Wednesday morning.
“They just moved them back. They didn’t know until just shortly before that I was going there. Somebody suggested. I said, 'Let’s go. Let’s walk.' And we walked from the White House, and I think everything was handled very well,†Trump said. “Religious leaders loved it.â€
Trump has been criticized by religious leaders in Washington as well as by Democrats and some Republicans for staging the photo-op at St. John’s after protesters were forcibly cleared from the surrounding area of Lafayette Square. Widespread reports said that officers used chemical agents and rubber bullets in order to clear demonstrators.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501047-trump-says-removal-of-protesters-handled-very-well (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501047-trump-says-removal-of-protesters-handled-very-well)
I don't believe reports there was no tear gas or rubber bullets. I saw the evidence. A woman with red swelling around her eyes and a rubber bullet spot on her face.
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I’m usually first to dismiss the idea that of one of our members might be a leftist pretending to be a conservative, who’s just offering up a different point of view. But not so with this one. She is a dishonest provocateur, a liar, stirring up shit, spreading disinformation and discord. She deserves only to be snubbed.
Versus just listening to you and your group saying Trump is great ,Trump is good 24/7, 100% of the time?
No thanks.
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@Hoodat
You must have slept through the 60's.
@sneakypete
What did I miss? Lots of actions with National Guard troops. But not seeing any regular active duty US military units. Maybe I am missing something.
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Versus just listening to you and your group saying Trump is great ,Trump is good 24/7, 100% of the time?
No thanks.
@catfish1957
It only seems like that because the slander is 24/7
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@catfish1957
It only seems like that because the slander is 24/7
Quiet, you. You’re supposed suppress your support for our president. No defense necessary lest you be thought a mindless sycophant.
Just a small correction, though. It’s 24/7/365 x 4. Just to be accurate about the length and breadth of the coordinated attacks on our republican president.
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@catfish1957
It only seems like that because the slander is 24/7
The slander really pisses me off because it forces me to defend him. Trump makes enough mistakes every day to call him on. Yet these people are too lazy to do their homework and instead make up lies about what Trump did. And then when the actual truth is presented to them, they just move on to the next lie with zero acknowledgement that their previous claims were untrue.
It is precisely because of these relentless false attacks that I will be voting for Trump in November. Didn't do it last time. But seeing now how much liberals and establishment types hate him and are so willing to accuse him falsely, I know he must be doing something right.
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The slander really pisses me off because it forces me to defend him. Trump makes enough mistakes every day to call him on. Yet these people are too lazy to do their homework and instead make up lies about what Trump did. And then when the actual truth is presented to them, they just move on to the next lie with zero acknowledgement that their previous claims were untrue.
It is precisely because of these relentless false attacks that I will be voting for Trump in November. Didn't do it last time. But seeing now how much liberals and establishment types hate him and are so willing to accuse him falsely, I know he must be doing something right.
I prefer to vote FOR a candidate for what they do that is right and not based on what their enemies do that is wrong. We're screwed and getting more so daily. This is not the path to redemption.
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Where was it Mattis came from? George Soro's closet? Does Anyone have proof of the allegations made by former military commanders? Why is it so devastating to you that President Trump should carry a BIBLE while walking to a church? Promoting peace and prayer, is it not? Just like Obama, Bush, and Clinton did during their terms. Or wanted to do.
How disgusting that people would even THINK this!!! :patriot:
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One of the most powerful tools the media has is the power to ignore.
President Trump has made so many inroads on issues that never see the light of day. Unsexy issues. Issues that matter to our basic freedoms and to our every day lives and futures.
Too bad his critics only focus on Trump’s style and not the substance of what he quietly has accomplished for America.
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This is not the path to redemption.
There is no path to redemption when liars are empowered.
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The slander really pisses me off because it forces me to defend him. Trump makes enough mistakes every day to call him on. Yet these people are too lazy to do their homework and instead make up lies about what Trump did. And then when the actual truth is presented to them, they just move on to the next lie with zero acknowledgement that their previous claims were untrue.
It is precisely because of these relentless false attacks that I will be voting for Trump in November. Didn't do it last time. But seeing now how much liberals and establishment types hate him and are so willing to accuse him falsely, I know he must be doing something right.
I'll admit it - I've grown to love the guy, warts and all.
Not because he's done everything right. Because, in spite of the silly braggadocio, he is the closest thing to a truth teller I've seen in the white house in 40 years. And hell, I'm getting 70% of what I want.
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Why is it so devastating to you that President Trump should carry a BIBLE while walking to a church?
Think how bad it would have been if Trump had tried to heal someone on the Sabbath.
Luke 6:6-11 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A6-11&version=NKJV)
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Oh yes, just because I don't go along with Trump and his faker Christianity.
How does Trump's "faker Christianity" differ from yours?
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The slander really pisses me off because it forces me to defend him. Trump makes enough mistakes every day to call him on. Yet these people are too lazy to do their homework and instead make up lies about what Trump did. And then when the actual truth is presented to them, they just move on to the next lie with zero acknowledgement that their previous claims were untrue.
It is precisely because of these relentless false attacks that I will be voting for Trump in November. Didn't do it last time. But seeing now how much liberals and establishment types hate him and are so willing to accuse him falsely, I know he must be doing something right.
QFT
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@Chosen Daughter
is the only 'real Christian' on the board (according to her). Everyone else is a 'fake Christian' and a 'fake Republican'. Only CD is authentic and is purified by 'right think'.
If only, if only...I could be more like CD, correct in everything I think, say, and do. Then I too could be the perfect human being. But alas, my sins are too deep. Trump's sins are too deep to accept repentance.
We are all, all of us, doomed to be imperfect for the rest of our lives.
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Quiet, you. You’re supposed suppress your support for our president. No defense necessary lest you be thought a mindless sycophant.
Just a small correction, though. It’s 24/7/365 x 4. Just to be accurate about the length and breadth of the coordinated attacks on our republican president.
Trump is just a man, nothing more and nothing less.
He has strengths and weaknesses, as we all do.
I applaud his strengths and cringe his weaknesses, just like I do with my friends, kids and family....
Expecting perfection is nothing but a fools errand...
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Trump is just a man, nothing more and nothing less.
He has strengths and weaknesses, as we all do.
I applaud his strengths and cringe his weaknesses, just like I do with my friends, kids and family....
Expecting perfection is nothing but a fools errand...
You and I think a lot alike. But though perfection is not achievable, we need better from DJT. The margin of error is too small this fall.
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@sneakypete
What did I miss? Lots of actions with National Guard troops. But not seeing any regular active duty US military units. Maybe I am missing something.
@Hoodat
Well,the 101st went to Alabama in the early 60's for the school desegregation party,and either they or the 82nd went to Detroit and Chicago in the late 60's,and the 82nd went to DC during the 68 election.
I am sure there were others,but I can't remember them now.
I remember the 82nd going to DC during what,IIRC,was called "The Days of Rage" in 68 VERY well because I happened to be at Bragg between Asian tours at that time,and I remember being given strict orders to NOT participate in the training/evaluation exercise they conducted before sending the 82nd and a SF group to DC.
Some numbnuts decided it would be a good idea to use "Green Berets" for riot control duty,so they set up an exercise with Poohbahs from DC as judges. They designated one SF Group to be the rioters,and another SF Group to be the Riot Control soldiers.
What could Possibly go wrong with a plan like that,right?
I remember this well because I was given strict orders to NOT participate for some reason,so I just wore civilian clothes and wandered around to watch the fun.
Before the first day ended,two SF Officers went to the basic training area where the trainees were on lock-down in their barracks,and gave anti-war speeches and lecturers. Being SF officers,they came well-prepared,with projectors and news film footage.
The end result is at least one basic training company rioted,and by the end of the day there were barracks and overturned MP cars burning.
I remember seeing SF troops in "riot wedge" formations,designed to drive protesters off and break them up,with Sergeant-Majors behind the wedge giving orders. Most of all,I remember the SF "rioters" doing stuff like throwing dog turds in their faces,one of which hit a SGM in the face,and seeing him break through the wedge and trying to chase down the guy that threw it with,and stick him with the unsheathed bayonet on his M-16.
It was said that by noon Womack Army Hospital was overflowing with wounded patients,and sending soldiers out to civilian hospitals for treatment.
Pretty much everybody involved in that training mission had a ball,except for the geniuses that came up with that brain fart. Using SF troops for riot control was never even suggested again,never mind tried.
I am STILL a little pissed about those two SF officers being forced to resign over starting the riot,though. If you don't want realistic training,don't suggest to professionals that you want it realistic.
I miss being young.
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How does Trump's "faker Christianity" differ from yours?
@Hoodat
HER "fake Christianity" is better.
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Lindsey Graham fires back at Gen. Mattis’ criticism of Trump: ‘You’re missing something here, my friend’
June 4, 2020 | Jon Dougherty
South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham defended President Donald Trump’s threat to use the active-duty military if necessary to quell ongoing riots in several cities, pushing back against criticism from former Defense Secretary James Mattis that doing so would be unnecessary and divisive.
In a column for the Left-leaning magazine The Atlantic, Mattis, a retired four-star Marine general criticized what he called the “militarization†of Washington, D.C., and the president’s alleged “abuse of executive authority†in dealing with the rioting that began following the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police.
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,†Mattis, who was asked to leave his post in late 2018 after disagreeing with Trump over withdrawing forces from the Middle East, wrote.
more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/04/lindsey-graham-fires-back-at-gen-mattis-criticism-of-trump-youre-missing-something-930027 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/04/lindsey-graham-fires-back-at-gen-mattis-criticism-of-trump-youre-missing-something-930027)
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He noted further that then-President George H. W. Bush “used the military to support the police in Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict. The Insurrection Act has been used, but has been sparingly used,†Graham continued, referencing the U.S. statute that gives presidents the authority to deploy American forces domestically when certain civil conditions exist.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/04/lindsey-graham-fires-back-at-gen-mattis-criticism-of-trump-youre-missing-something-930027 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/04/lindsey-graham-fires-back-at-gen-mattis-criticism-of-trump-youre-missing-something-930027)
Paging 43 .... please pick up the white courtesy phone.
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FTA
Paging 43 .... please pick up the white courtesy phone.
We are living in a perpetual double standard world now. All I am saying is that if you are white and well off, you have a target on your back for the rest of your life.
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Lindsey was okay. But, if you let the video run past that interview, wait for the next vid, you’ll see Sen.Cruz on the Judiciary Committee review of the FBI Russia investigation grilling Rod Rosenstein. Cruz was awesome. It was good seeing that weasel Rosenstein squirming under tough questioning.
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We are living in a perpetual double standard world now. All I am saying is that if you are white and well off, you have a target on your back for the rest of your life.
I think the popular "knockout game" showed this is now purely about race; class or wealth no longer matter.
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I think the popular "knockout game" showed this is now purely about race; class or wealth no longer matter.
Maybe on the street. I am thinking along lines of laws, and statutes. It's all now going to be about SJW themes and wealth re-distribution.
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IMO, General Mattis is auditioning for the VP slot on the Democrat ticket.
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. It was our military that sent the protestors running away so Trump could walk across the street for his photo op. Trump has kept those hundreds of US Military in Washington; they did not go back to their base. There were 8-10 troop carriers carrying these soldiers to the White House area yesterday. I head/saw they are still there today.
Please think before you post.
U.S. Park Police are not the "US Military on US citizens". Neither are Arlington's or Alexandria's police departments "military".
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I think the popular "knockout game" showed this is now purely about race; class or wealth no longer matter.
Wow, reading your post just now brought back a memory I hadn’t thought about in decades.
1975, just married, on a cross country bus trip so my family could meet my bride.
At one point a rather large black dude’s voice got louder and louder from the front of the bus. He was cursing and demeaning someone in the seat next to him, hurling racial epithets and threats on this poor very old white guy next to him because apparently this gent’s arm touched his. He just keep going on and on about it, way out of proportion to the crime. It was a humiliating moment.
No one including the bus driver sought to intervene. Everyone in that bus was afraid to, including me. That guy had a lot of pent up hostility towards whites that he let loose on this poor guy.
Knock out game wasn’t invented yet, I guess.
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@Hoodat
Well,the 101st went to Alabama in the early 60's for the school desegregation party,and either they or the 82nd went to Detroit and Chicago in the late 60's,and the 82nd went to DC during the 68 election.
I am sure there were others,but I can't remember them now.
I stand corrected. Thanks for the info, @sneakypete .
1st Armored and 5th Infantry in Chicago in 1968. But since Johnson was the one who did it, that made it all legal and Constitutional.
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General Mattis is reacting to using US Military on US citizens. I
What about in 1992 when GHWBush used the military in Los Angeles, for the Rodney King verdict rioots?
The situation in the Los Angeles area was only resolved and ended after the California Army National Guard, the United States military,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mueJbS6q5mc#)
And military WAS USED in 1967 DETROIT RIOTS
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6DnAbCjnHw#)
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What about in 1992 when GHWBush used the military in Los Angeles, for the Rodney King verdict rioots?
The situation in the Los Angeles area was only resolved and ended after the California Army National Guard, the United States military,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots)
You are correct. 1st Marine Division and 7th Infantry Division (Light)
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Quiet, you. You’re supposed suppress your support for our president. No defense necessary lest you be thought a mindless sycophant.
Just a small correction, though. It’s 24/7/365 x 4. Just to be accurate about the length and breadth of the coordinated attacks on our republican president.
He isn't a Republican he's a populist president. He hijacked the party. Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.
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He isn't a Republican he's a populist president. He hijacked the party. Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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He isn't a Republican he's a populist president. He hijacked the party. Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.
Pretty much echo my thinking back in '16. But this isn't 2016 anymore.
Now fastforward to 2020. Any change in ticket is certain doom, as it admits failure. I understand your dislike of Trump. I don't like him either. But please explain what is the solution, or what should we do? Let Biden win? Just wondering.....
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Pretty much echo my thinking back in '16. But this isn't 2016 anymore.
Now fastforward to 2020. Any change in ticket is certain doom, as it admits failure. I understand your dislike of Trump. I don't like him either. But please explain what is the solution, or what should we do? Let Biden win? Just wondering.....
Pence would likely do better in the general but who really knows. I've not seen him act like a child when someone disses him which would be a serious improvement. I'm not really a fan though. There's still 5 months for practically anything to happen prior the election. Trump would probably get my vote if Barr was kicking ass and bringing serious charges for all the crap that went on under Obama/Clinton. So far he isn't and he's about out of time.
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Pence would likely do better in the general but who really knows. I've not seen him act like a child when someone disses him which would be a serious improvement. I'm not really a fan though. There's still 5 months for practically anything to happen prior the election. Trump would probably get my vote if Barr was kicking ass and bringing serious charges for all the crap that went on under Obama/Clinton. So far he isn't and he's about out of time.
Good points, but I am still afraid a ticket change might be construed as party failure, and the dims will exploit accordingly. OTOH, had this change taken place late last year, or even early this year, it may have been another matter. I see it as Trump's our horse, and we have to go into battle him.
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Please think before you post.
U.S. Park Police are not the "US Military on US citizens". Neither are Arlington's or Alexandria's police departments "military".
Some people think Trump lies and Barr covers for him.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404216.msg2224739.html#msg2224739 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404216.msg2224739.html#msg2224739)
They said they didn't use tear gas either.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/tear-gas-washington-dc-protests-st-johns-church/65-7e9a67c7-e40b-47a2-8060-3f7d908139dd (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/tear-gas-washington-dc-protests-st-johns-church/65-7e9a67c7-e40b-47a2-8060-3f7d908139dd)
(http://[url=https://media.wusa9.com/assets/WUSA/images/6777e1e3-417b-4dee-9883-74551c2520fe/6777e1e3-417b-4dee-9883-74551c2520fe_1920x1080.jpg]https://media.wusa9.com/assets/WUSA/images/6777e1e3-417b-4dee-9883-74551c2520fe/6777e1e3-417b-4dee-9883-74551c2520fe_1920x1080.jpg[/url])
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Good points, but I am still afraid a ticket change might be construed as party failure, and the dims will exploit accordingly. OTOH, had this change taken place late last year, or even early this year, it may have been another matter. I see it as Trump's our horse, and we have to go into battle him.
It is pretty unlikely Biden will there on election day.
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@Chosen Daughter
One of the news people said the Bible was upside down when he stopped moving it for the picture.
No, it wasn't upside down. The bookmark was on the bottom, as is the case with my Bible. This is just more infantile nonsense on the part of MSM.
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Oh yes, just because I don't go along with Trump and his faker Christianity.
Does, "judge not lest ye be judged..." ring a bell?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4#)
Go for it Washington has burned three times, now. Once by the British in the War of 1812.
Again in the 1960s by Communists masquerading as people protesting. They made quite a mess.
2020, you want it to burn again? Again by communists masquerading as protesters? (and their useful idiots).
In the 1960s a study was done on how much force was needed to stop riots like the one that left 14th street devastated. Yep, a callout of the National Guard was discussed in the report. You either stop this crap or you can have weeks of it. Trump chose not to pander, but to stop it. THis time, no one filled a stadium, no one was killed.
Start fires on my front lawn, and the bullets won't be rubber.
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Pretty much echo my thinking back in '16. But this isn't 2016 anymore.
Now fastforward to 2020. Any change in ticket is certain doom, as it admits failure. I understand your dislike of Trump. I don't like him either. But please explain what is the solution, or what should we do? Let Biden win? Just wondering.....
@catfish1957
I never did get that "I don't like him!" crap. What is this,Jr High school,where petty little jealousies and people's own personal insecurities matter more than what is not only best for the country,but in THIS situation,more important than the SURVIVAL of the nation?
Make no mistake about it. If the Dims take over the WH this election cycle,America is over. We will become even more of a tentacle of the global borg,and by 2004,so interconnected there will never be any turning back.
ALL HAIL THE CREATION OF THE NORTH AMERICAN ECONOMIC ZONE,AND PRAISE OUR MASTERS,THE UN!
Those who can't accept this,turn yourselves in to the re-education camp nearest you.
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How are the rioters any different than the cops that "killed" Floyd?
That's something we can debate. But one thing's for certain. The cop is being brought to justice. The perps who have shattered the windows and dreams of thousands will not.
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@Jazzhead
Thanks for your post. It is the truth.
Thanks for the support, @Victoria33 . I appreciate it.
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@catfish1957
I never did get that "I don't like him!" crap. What is this,Jr High school,where petty little jealousies and people's own personal insecurities matter more than what is not only best for the country,but in THIS situation,more important than the SURVIVAL of the nation?
@sneakypete
Pfffffff!!!!! How about "Serious Dislike", and uhhh... personal insecurities? Lol..that's my problem. :silly: You're pretty funny sometimes big guy!!!!
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That's something we can debate. But one thing's for certain. The cop is being brought to justice. The perps who have shattered the windows and dreams of thousands will not.
@Jazzhead
Life is all about choices, the cops made a bad choice, but floyd choice to escalate his situation and fight where there was no fight, just as the rioters, not protestors, have made a choice to break the law and escalate the situation. Every choice has consequences.
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@catfish1957
I never did get that "I don't like him!" crap. What is this,Jr High school,where petty little jealousies and people's own personal insecurities matter more than what is not only best for the country,but in THIS situation,more important than the SURVIVAL of the nation?
Make no mistake about it. If the Dims take over the WH this election cycle,America is over. We will become even more of a tentacle of the global borg,and by 2004,so interconnected there will never be any turning back.
ALL HAIL THE CREATION OF THE NORTH AMERICAN ECONOMIC ZONE,AND PRAISE OUR MASTERS,THE UN!
Those who can't accept this,turn yourselves in to the re-education camp nearest you.
Precisely. Our history is replete with examples of presidents who were not universally loved by the electorate. Yet, history records they did the right thing for the country. That’s what’s important. And what’s more important than the survival of America?
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Lindsey was okay. But, if you let the video run past that interview, wait for the next vid, you’ll see Sen.Cruz on the Judiciary Committee review of the FBI Russia investigation grilling Rod Rosenstein. Cruz was awesome. It was good seeing that weasel Rosenstein squirming under tough questioning.
Nah. That squirming was all an act. He was smiling and laughing the next minute. And such a laugh. A snide, evil laugh. Rod knows nothing will happen to him or anyone else in the deep state. It's all for show, as usual.
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He isn't a Republican he's a populist president. He hijacked the party. Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.
Uh....no. The GOP pretty much destroyed their own party when they nominated that flaming ahole McCain and then another RINO, Romney.... giving conservatives literally NO choice other than to just not vote at all. If anything, Trump has managed to bring more in (or back) to the fold.
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He isn't a Republican he's a populist president. He hijacked the party. Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.
I don't understand....
The objective of an election is to garner a larger support from the people than your competitor, right?
So Trump should have said/done/etc all the things that Romney/McCain said/did so the Republicans could lose another race? Is that about right?
If the Republican party has increased in size, as it has at least vote wise, then why is being popular, garnering more votes, such a bad thing?
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@Jazzhead
Life is all about choices, the cops made a bad choice,
@EdinVA . I
Maybe it's one of those "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" things,but I don't think they made a choice. I honestly think it is a "conditioned depraved indifference to any human life not wearing a cop uniform",thing. I have heard local cops in the rural area where I live flat-out state that "I don't care WHO dies as long as *I* get back home safely.
I have pissed them off by telling them in that case they have no business wearing a uniform with a badge because their SWORN DUTY is to protect the lives on innocents,NOT their own lives or the lives of their fellow cops,and they should quit and get safe jobs as mall cops,or school bus drivers.
It surprised me when there were no repercussions, but I had no choice but to say it. These SOB's. need to wake up.
I considered a job as an LEO for about 15 seconds after I got out of the army,and immediately realized I was not emotionally cut out for that job because I was too aggressive and too used to shooting. Professional LEO's are REQUIRED by the restraints of their job to show restraint,and I couldn't even rent restraint at that time.
If I can do it,so can they,and both them and the society around them would be better for it.
but floyd choice to escalate his situation and fight where there was no fight, just as the rioters, not protestors, have made a choice to break the law and escalate the situation. Every choice has consequences.
Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.
We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.
At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.
The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.
Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."
DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.
The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.
All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.
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I don't understand....
The objective of an election is to garner a larger support from the people than your competitor, right?
So Trump should have said/done/etc all the things that Romney/McCain said/did so the Republicans could lose another race? Is that about right?
If the Republican party has increased in size, as it has at least vote wise, then why is being popular, garnering more votes, such a bad thing?
Its a paradigm shift. Populist is good if you agree with the change. But I don't want his change. I don't like his WWE tactics. His way of replacing everyone with little clones of him. Its very fascist. Chuck Grassley is rightly so holding up two of Trump appointee's. Because Trump thinks he can replace everyone with someone he just likes. People that will sing his praises. And there is no telling what 4 more years of Trump will bring.
One thing is for sure. More grandstanding and soundbites in support of Trump. Regardless of what they are singing. Its like there is no limit to the ugliness.
When they were campaigning for Trump in 2016 Christians would say we're not hiring a pastor. We're hiring a president. So there was no expectation of character at all. They compared him to King Cyrus. There were Mark Taylor prophesies...….etc. But my Bible tells me to discern. And even though they said he didn't have to be a Pastor. Trump has said himself he is a Christian. But his actions say otherwise. And while we don't judge the world, because the world is sinful. We can and should be discerning Christians.
So I have long had disgust for the Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker type televangelists. Jim even did prison time for fraud. These are the types of ministers that Trump surrounds himself. His spiritual Advisor Paula White was under investigation (Chuck Grassley) can't remember when for fraud. Anyone discerning Gods Word would see that these kinds of ministries are about themselves. They take and take and take. Its no wonder they can't discern it is wrong to attack someone's character continuously. To bear false witness against people only because you feel like you must get even. Because everyone wrongs Trump and must be fired and dragged through the Trump mud forever.
Populist is just another word for left also. Deny it but Trump has signed for Socialism and amnesty. He's a big social spender. it isn't any wonder at all that nearly 50% of Trump rally attendee's are Democrats. Others ones that have never voted before.
Because Conservatives. Which Trump has labeled purists get nothing from Trump. Nothing he has, and nothing we want.
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Its a paradigm shift. Populist is good if you agree with the change. But I don't want his change. I don't like his WWE tactics. His way of replacing everyone with little clones of him. Its very fascist. Chuck Grassley is rightly so holding up two of Trump appointee's. Because Trump thinks he can replace everyone with someone he just likes. People that will sing his praises. And there is no telling what 4 more years of Trump will bring.
One thing is for sure. More grandstanding and soundbites in support of Trump. Regardless of what they are singing. Its like there is no limit to the ugliness.
When they were campaigning for Trump in 2016 Christians would say we're not hiring a pastor. We're hiring a president. So there was no expectation of character at all. They compared him to King Cyrus. There were Mark Taylor prophesies...….etc. But my Bible tells me to discern. And even though they said he didn't have to be a Pastor. Trump has said himself he is a Christian. But his actions say otherwise. And while we don't judge the world, because the world is sinful. We can and should be discerning Christians.
So I have long had disgust for the Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker type televangelists. Jim even did prison time for fraud. These are the types of ministers that Trump surrounds himself. His spiritual Advisor Paula White was under investigation (Chuck Grassley) can't remember when for fraud. Anyone discerning Gods Word would see that these kinds of ministries are about themselves. They take and take and take. Its no wonder they can't discern it is wrong to attack someone's character continuously. To bear false witness against people only because you feel like you must get even. Because everyone wrongs Trump and must be fired and dragged through the Trump mud forever.
Populist is just another word for left also. Deny it but Trump has signed for Socialism and amnesty. He's a big social spender. it isn't any wonder at all that nearly 50% of Trump rally attendee's are Democrats. Others ones that have never voted before.
Because Conservatives. Which Trump has labeled purists get nothing from Trump. Nothing he has, and nothing we want.
So, he is not Romney... at least I understand.. thanks
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Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.
We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.
At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.
The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.
Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."
DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.
The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.
All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.
@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.
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Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.
We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.
At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.
The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.
Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."
DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.
The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.
All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.
Maybe, maybe not.
If he was harming himself violently in the back of the police car, which may well be the case, they called an ambulance as soon as they removed him from the back seat and restrained him. Can't sit him up if he's trying to bash his head into things.
It looks like they were restraining him, at least in part, for his own safety while waiting for the ambulance to show up. Depraved indifference for life doesn't call an ambulance and doesn't care if you beat yourself silly.
People who are high on drugs (Fentanyl and meth) are not rational. They can't be negotiated with. Being able to talk is contrary to claiming there's too much pressure on the throat/airway. If you can talk your throat isn't severely restricted. His not being able to breath was likely caused by something else. Both the Fentanyl and a heart attack are well known to cause this.
Hopefully we will eventually know the actual facts and place the actual blame where it belongs.
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@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.
He was behind the wheel of a car on a public street shit faced high. You are leaving that detail out. Was he on parole?
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He was behind the wheel of a car on a public street shit faced high. You are leaving that detail out. Was he on parole?
Then add the fact that one of his prior 6 felonies was Aggrevated Robbery with a Deadly Weapon. Cop's had that info, and if I was a cop, I would be taking additonal precautions, especially with a guy that big who was resisting arrest.
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@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.
I have a 'Doctorate' in People. Some day when I'm on my deathbed, I'll explain. :laugh:
It's time to start doing some addition on the facts of the event that led to Floyd's death.
1) Erick Chauvin and George Floyd weren't strangers to each other. On his very first shift at the bar/club, George Floyd would have stood out to Erick Chauvin, if not formally introduced which I suspect. He's 6ft.6in and built to fight. It was no doubt why he was hired. His intimidation alone...
2) Two of the other officers were only on the job less than two weeks. Chauvin was loving his authority and was going to impress the rookies that showing favoritism as the rule is wrong, and here we had an aggressive George Floyd being 'charged' by the shop owner for passing a bum twenty dollar bill.
3) Floyd was "on something", as evidenced by the drugs found during the autopsy....despite the family's attorney claiming otherwise or other motive involved.
4) Ultimately, the other 3 officers are going to be found not guilty. Chauvin will be found guilty to the reduced plea of manslaughter. In the middle of winter when it's inconvenient to loot.
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Then add the fact that one of his prior 6 felonies was Aggrevated Robbery with a Deadly Weapon. Cop's had that info, and if I was a cop, I would be taking additonal precautions, especially with a guy that big who was resisting arrest.
Agree... But the cops should have done better... they went way overboard.
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Agree... But the cops should have done better... they went way overboard.
I agree too. Didn't these guys have tasers?
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I agree too. Didn't these guys have tasers?
Not sure... I read somewhere that even if they had used tasers it would have caused the heart attack so not sure the end result would have been different.
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You guys are arguing points that are no longer relevant, if they were ever relevant at all.
The Floyd/Chauvin incident was a pretext for kickstarting the revolution that’s been lurking in the background since the 60’s Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, People’s Liberation Army, the Weather Underground were first agitating.
Get with the program. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. It’s a revolution, baby!
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You guys are arguing points that are no longer relevant, if they were ever relevant at all.
The Floyd/Chauvin incident was a pretext for kickstarting the revolution that’s been lurking in the background since the 60’s Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, People’s Liberation Army, the Weather Underground were first agitating.
Get with the program. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. It’s a revolution, baby!
Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol
BTW, don't call me baby... :silly:
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Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol
BTW, don't call me baby... :silly:
Add to that that those cities are totally dependent on those rural areas to feed, power and provide water to them.
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@sneakypete
Pfffffff!!!!! How about "Serious Dislike", and uhhh... personal insecurities? Lol..that's my problem. :silly: You're pretty funny sometimes big guy!!!!
But here's the bottom line.
I have worked enough years in the oil patch to know there are times you work with people you don't like.
The question is one of if you are professional enough to put that aside and get the job done.
I don't have to like the people I work with, even though I quite commonly do.
We are there to get a job done, not to be twin brothers from different mothers.
America is in trouble, and there is a job to be done.
If you let your feelings stand in the way of doing the job, you aren't going to do the best work or get the best work done. So, let's get mission-oriented here.
Time to stop the riots (the first window breaks, that "peaceful demonstration" just crossed the line to criminal activity, and all who continue their association are accomplices); time to quit with the political manipulation of medical data which will only ensure the loss of lives now and in the future, unnecessary economic damage, or both; time to have the media contain at least a couple of percent of truth in their broadcasts, or at least brand their garbage as editorial content instead of pass it off as 'fact'.
I'd wager that the little Antifa types secretly hold in contempt many of the groups whom they use, as much as their bosses think lowly of the individual foot soldiers (aside from the tasks they complete and their competency).
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Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol
BTW, don't call me baby... :silly:
Nothing like being able to see them coming a mile or more away, which you can, here. Plenty of time to hang flagging in the brush for range and windage markers...
But seriously, how tough is this revolution going to be when the convenience stores are 20 or 50 miles apart instead of a couple of blocks?
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Kelly: ‘I Agree’ with Mattis on Trump — We Need to Look Harder at ‘Character’ of Who We Elect
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/05/kelly-i-agree-with-mattis-on-trump-we-need-to-look-harder-at-character-of-who-we-elect/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/05/kelly-i-agree-with-mattis-on-trump-we-need-to-look-harder-at-character-of-who-we-elect/)
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But here's the bottom line.
I have worked enough years in the oil patch to know there are times you work with people you don't like.
The question is one of if you are professional enough to put that aside and get the job done.
I don't have to like the people I work with, even though I quite commonly do.
We are there to get a job done, not to be twin brothers from different mothers.
America is in trouble, and there is a job to be done.
If you let your feelings stand in the way of doing the job, you aren't going to do the best work or get the best work done. So, let's get mission-oriented here.
Time to stop the riots (the first window breaks, that "peaceful demonstration" just crossed the line to criminal activity, and all who continue their association are accomplices); time to quit with the political manipulation of medical data which will only ensure the loss of lives now and in the future, unnecessary economic damage, or both; time to have the media contain at least a couple of percent of truth in their broadcasts, or at least brand their garbage as editorial content instead of pass it off as 'fact'.
I'd wager that the little Antifa types secretly hold in contempt many of the groups whom they use, as much as their bosses think lowly of the individual foot soldiers (aside from the tasks they complete and their competency).
There were parts of nascent America in the years leading up to and during the battles fought in the American revolution where colonists were oblivious to the political and social issues that were swirling around the centers of commerce and business and county seats and cities; but they were part of the revolution nonetheless.
That’s where I see us now. That’s the only thing that can explain why major corporations and foundations are donating huge sums of money to a radical group like Black Lives Matters? They have no awareness that the revolution is on. They just don’t know.
Never assign to malice that which can be explained by ignorance—I tell myself.
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There were parts of nascent America in the years leading up to and during the battles fought in the American revolution where colonists were oblivious to the political and social issues that were swirling around the centers of commerce and business and county seats and cities; but they were part of the revolution nonetheless.
That’s where I see us now. That’s the only thing that can explain why major corporations and foundations are donating huge sums of money to a radical group like Black Lives Matters? They have no awareness that the revolution is on. They just don’t know.
Never assign to malice that which can be explained by ignorance—I tell myself.
I try to remain open to the thought that malice may indeed be involved. Some folks are dumb like a fox, and I have dealt with enough passive-aggressive types to know it is found in corporate culture all the way to the top.
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EdinVa wrote:
"The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy."
I've been wondering about that too.
Floyd was arrested for "passing" a counterfeit $100 bill.
But... did he even KNOW that it was phony...?
If not... what a waste (and not only of his own life).
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So, he is not Romney... at least I understand.. thanks
What's that? Romney isn't running. But maybe you aren't aware but Trump supported Mitt Romney's idea to give every adult a check.
Trump supports Sen. Mitt Romney’s pitch to give checks to every American
By Thomas Burr
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Published: March 17
Updated: March 17, 2020
Washington •
President Donald Trump backs direct payments to Americans to help ease the impact of the coronavirus outbreak and stimulate the teetering economy, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Tuesday, backing a proposal floated by Sen. Mitt Romney, who suggested a $1,000 one-time check to every adult American.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/03/17/sen-mitt-romneys-cash/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/03/17/sen-mitt-romneys-cash/)
I don't know perhaps he thinks Mitt Romney had a bright idea that would bring votes?
Romney isn't running. But I feel honored to be in agreement with great people like Mattis, Flynn and Sasse.
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@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.
@EdinVA
True,but IIRC,the first reports and at least one video show him being belligerent and aggressive when the cops first approached him. He brought the rough take-down on himself because he was not sober and he was belligerent and aggressive. He was also a big guy. You really can't blame the cops for getting him under control given the circumstances.
IF the stupid SOB had done what ANYBODY without shouting range of normal had done,just told the cops he had no idea it was counterfeit ,I have no doubt they would have let him go. There was very little chance of them mistaking him for a criminal mastermind.
Not to mention the fact they had to know any counterfeit charges would have been thrown out of court because there was no way in HELL he was a printing money.
But no,the stupid SOB had to get pushy.
BTW,none of this justifies what happened next. If you are a cop and you can't emotionally deal with petty crooks running their mouths at you,you need to find another job,quickly.
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Maybe, maybe not.
If he was harming himself violently in the back of the police car, which may well be the case, they called an ambulance as soon as they removed him from the back seat and restrained him. Can't sit him up if he's trying to bash his head into things.
@DB
Of course they could. They have these things called "handuffs". They have them in multiples. They could have sat him on a curb and handcuffed his hands to his ankles.
It looks like they were restraining him, at least in part, for his own safety while waiting for the ambulance to show up.
AFAIK,they didn't call the ambulance until he stopped breathing.
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He was behind the wheel of a car on a public street shit faced high. You are leaving that detail out. Was he on parole?
@DB
What difference does that make?
Does it mean he deserved to die?
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EdinVa wrote:
"The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy."
I've been wondering about that too.
Floyd was arrested for "passing" a counterfeit $100 bill.
But... did he even KNOW that it was phony...?
If not... what a waste (and not only of his own life).
@Fishrrman
When was the last time YOU checked the money in your wallet to see if it was counterfeit?
I can tell you when I did. It was the 12th of Never.
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@Fishrrman
When was the last time YOU checked the money in your wallet to see if it was counterfeit?
I can tell you when I did. It was the 12th of Never.
I unknowingly tried to deposit a couple of bogus 20’s from our weekly receipts in my account once. The teller pointed it out to me and I ate the cost.
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@DB
What difference does that make?
Does it mean he deserved to die?
It was the primary reason for his arrest - duh. It means nothing more and nothing less.
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I unknowingly tried to deposit a couple of bogus 20’s from our weekly receipts in my account once. The teller pointed it out to me and I ate the cost.
@skeeter
Most of us have probably innocently passed a bogus 20 dollar bill or two in our lives.
You end up having to eat the cost and MAYBE face a little embarrassment,but it's not the end of the world,and it damn sure doesn't rate the death penalty.
Guy ran a red light this afternoon and smashed in a front fender on my 2016 pu as I was crossing a highway. He came up to me and the first thing he says was "I'm sorry man,are you ok?" in one of the most sincere tones of voice I have ever heard.
My reply to him was "Don't worry about it,bleep happens".
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@skeeter
Most of us have probably innocently passed a bogus 20 dollar bill or two in our lives.
You end up having to eat the cost and MAYBE face a little embarrassment,but it's not the end of the world,and it damn sure doesn't rate the death penalty.
Guy ran a red light this afternoon and smashed in a front fender on my 2016 pu as I was crossing a highway. He came up to me and the first thing he says was "I'm sorry man,are you ok?" in one of the most sincere tones of voice I have ever heard.
My reply to him was "Don't worry about it,bleep happens".
BTW pro tip - ‘I’m sorry’ the last thing anyone should say after a traffic accident. You owned that guy. :MiniGun:
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AFAIK,they didn't call the ambulance until he stopped breathing.
What I read is they called the ambulance when they saw blood coming from his mouth when they pulled him out of the back of the police car and were waiting for it to arrive.
And if someone is smashing their head into solid things, yes you have to restrain their head.
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BTW pro tip - ‘I’m sorry’ the last thing anyone should say after a traffic accident. You owned that guy. :MiniGun:
@skeeter
Didn't really care that much. The truck is nothing but a tin and plastic "tool",and I have insurance. The guy was from out of state,and had his wife and 3 young daughters in the car with him,and they were headed to the beach on vacation.
I saw no reason to make a big production out of it.
Now,if I had been driving my 51 Victoria,like I started to do, I would have maybe gotten steamed.
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You guys are arguing points that are no longer relevant, if they were ever relevant at all.
The Floyd/Chauvin incident was a pretext for kickstarting the revolution that’s been lurking in the background since the 60’s Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, People’s Liberation Army, the Weather Underground were first agitating.
Get with the program. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. It’s a revolution, baby!
My wife is 90% not into politics. But I mentioned something, and she brought up the Black Panters, SLA and she mentioned where is Patty Hearst.
Ofcourse we were half joking, but this is not really new. Nice castle at San Simeon, BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst
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Arthur Schwartz
@ArthurSchwartz
CNN person w/ direct knowledge: @andersoncooper has been planning a town hall for months w/ Gary Cohn, Jim Mattis, John Kelly & McMaster to air in September. They will make stuff up & say that Trump is unfit for office. Mattis & Kelly signed on. Cohn & HR on the fence.
11:30 AM · Jun 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1268928282990387200
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@Right_in_Virginia
I think mid-October is more likely. Closer to the election so no time is available for counters to be published and spread around.
MY prediction is that riots are going to happen after the election with charges it was rigged regardless of who is named the winner. Stock up on canned food and water before they happen.
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@Right_in_Virginia
I think mid-October is more likely. Closer to the election so no time is available for counters to be published and spread around.
MY prediction is that riots are going to happen after the election with charges it was rigged regardless of who is named the winner. Stock up on canned food and water before they happen.
My prediction was posted in the Member's forum a few weeks ago. I told you this was coming. This is cat1 now. I told you all something about myself to try and make you all understand something. I think you get it.
By November. We will have a choice.
People talk about the "greatest generation".
Yeah.
I had a college prof that told me a secret. He HAD to get in the war when he was 17. Marine in the South Pacific...(WWII)
Those people were all combatants. After the MAMS were dead. The women and children were left. These Marines were front line. There was no relief effort. And those people weren't going to surrender. So they killed them all.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? They killed every man, woman, and child. And moved on.
So be it.
HERE.
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There is no revolution, and there will be no revolution. What we are witnessing is nothing more than what happens when people are idle, not working, and with time on their hands, they demonstrate, get in trouble, destroy, etc.
The decisions made with this virus generated what is going on in the streets. A week ago, 28 people were killed in one week in Chicago, but no one gives a sh*t about it. With a country of 325 million, 10-15 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019, depending on the source. About half were attacking police, and the shooting labeled justified. In only two cases were the police indicted for a crime. There is no adult genocide, and there certainly is no concerted effort to cause harm to blacks in the USA today.
However, we do have genocide, and that is to kill as many of our unborn as we can. Planned Parenthood's mission has always been to contain the undesirables in our society. Many of those murdered via abortion are babies of color. But that is ok according to the liberal kooks that control our society.
There will be no revolution, unless the day comes we have no food and people are starving. That day is possible, but look what is happening. The shutdown is over in many states, and will soon be in the remaining shutdown states. We are not where we were when the virus hit in January. We know a good bit about it now, therapies that are effective in fighting it, etc.
Employment will increase each month leading to the election. Trump will win. How can anyone vote for a man one step away from needing assisted care? Biden is just another version of bad candidate. And the irony is that Biden is no friend to the black man. He is as phony as they get, and many people of color can see it.
And in regard to these generals, I thought it a HUGE mistake of Trump to surround himself with these over valued political warriors. Anyone that rose up during the Obama years should be questionable at best, so I do not value any of them. I hope Trump learned his lesson with that faulty mindset.
If any of you know the theories of Harry Dent, you know that much of this decade is destined to have a market that soars upwards to higher levels, records set through the decade, and it does not matter who is POTUS, unless we end up with an idiot like George W. Bush, who destroyed the market in the years he was POTUS.
I remain hopeful Trump will be POTUS and the Republicans will hold both houses of Congress.
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@jafo2010
Tell that to antifa and their millions of useful, violent idiots. The revolution is on.
I’ll amend that to say ten-twenty thousand that are violent. There’s millions of useful sympathizers, however.
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wink777
There is no revolution, and there will be no revolution. What we are witnessing is nothing more than what happens when people are idle, not working, and with time on their hands, they demonstrate, get in trouble, destroy, etc.
The decisions made with this virus generated what is going on in the streets. A week ago, 28 people were killed in one week in Chicago, but no one gives a sh*t about it. With a country of 325 million, 10-15 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019, depending on the source. About half were attacking police, and the shooting labeled justified. In only two cases were the police indicted for a crime. There is no adult genocide, and there certainly is no concerted effort to cause harm to blacks in the USA today.
However, we do have genocide, and that is to kill as many of our unborn as we can. Planned Parenthood's mission has always been to contain the undesirables in our society. Many of those murdered via abortion are babies of color. But that is ok according to the liberal kooks that control our society.
There will be no revolution, unless the day comes we have no food and people are starving. That day is possible, but look what is happening. The shutdown is over in many states, and will soon be in the remaining shutdown states. We are not where we were when the virus hit in January. We know a good bit about it now, therapies that are effective in fighting it, etc.
Employment will increase each month leading to the election. Trump will win. How can anyone vote for a man one step away from needing assisted care? Biden is just another version of bad candidate. And the irony is that Biden is no friend to the black man. He is as phony as they get, and many people of color can see it.
And in regard to these generals, I thought it a HUGE mistake of Trump to surround himself with these over valued political warriors. Anyone that rose up during the Obama years should be questionable at best, so I do not value any of them. I hope Trump learned his lesson with that faulty mindset.
If any of you know the theories of Harry Dent, you know that much of this decade is destined to have a market that soars upwards to higher levels, records set throught eh decade, and it does not matter who is POTUS, unless we end up with an idiot like George W. Bush, who destroyed the market in the years he was POTUS.
I remain hopeful Trump will be POTUS and the Republicans will hold both houses of Congress.
isolation
inclunation
inoculation
The first person that tells me inclunation isn't a word is going to get a fog of war story...
even better now
@Cyber Liberty
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wink777
isolation
inclunation
inoculation
The first person that tells me inclunation isn't a word is going to get a fog of war story...
even better now
@Cyber Liberty
LOL! If it isn't a word, it should be.
You made me look it up. Not there, according to google.
So...once upon a time......
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INCLUNATION...not in Dictionary.com, not found when searched on Google either. So, please enlighten us all! It is a rare event for me to encounter a new/unknown word.
The Constitution has stood for a long time, serving the people of America well. People are clamoring to come to this great nation because of what it represents, which is largely freedom. There will always be forces intent on its destruction. I just never envisioned one of the primary political parties to be intent on such an outcome.
Anyone that votes for ANY Democommie come November has sh*t for brains.
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The Constitution has stood for a long time, serving the people of America well. People are clamoring to come to this great nation because of what it represents, which is largely freedom.
@jafo2010
You misspelled "Free Stuff".
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@DCPatriot "If it isn't a word, it should be."
@jafo2010
This is the reason I got kicked from TOS.
They said you can't make shit up as you go.
We have laws
Rules
Regulations
Need I continue?
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There is no revolution, and there will be no revolution. What we are witnessing is nothing more than what happens when people are idle, not working, and with time on their hands, they demonstrate, get in trouble, destroy, etc.
The decisions made with this virus generated what is going on in the streets. A week ago, 28 people were killed in one week in Chicago, but no one gives a sh*t about it. With a country of 325 million, 10-15 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019, depending on the source. About half were attacking police, and the shooting labeled justified. In only two cases were the police indicted for a crime. There is no adult genocide, and there certainly is no concerted effort to cause harm to blacks in the USA today.
However, we do have genocide, and that is to kill as many of our unborn as we can. Planned Parenthood's mission has always been to contain the undesirables in our society. Many of those murdered via abortion are babies of color. But that is ok according to the liberal kooks that control our society.
There will be no revolution, unless the day comes we have no food and people are starving. That day is possible, but look what is happening. The shutdown is over in many states, and will soon be in the remaining shutdown states. We are not where we were when the virus hit in January. We know a good bit about it now, therapies that are effective in fighting it, etc.
Employment will increase each month leading to the election. Trump will win. How can anyone vote for a man one step away from needing assisted care? Biden is just another version of bad candidate. And the irony is that Biden is no friend to the black man. He is as phony as they get, and many people of color can see it.
And in regard to these generals, I thought it a HUGE mistake of Trump to surround himself with these over valued political warriors. Anyone that rose up during the Obama years should be questionable at best, so I do not value any of them. I hope Trump learned his lesson with that faulty mindset.
If any of you know the theories of Harry Dent, you know that much of this decade is destined to have a market that soars upwards to higher levels, records set throught eh decade, and it does not matter who is POTUS, unless we end up with an idiot like George W. Bush, who destroyed the market in the years he was POTUS.
I remain hopeful Trump will be POTUS and the Republicans will hold both houses of Congress.
QFT