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State Chapters => California => Topic started by: SZonian on September 03, 2020, 03:02:22 pm
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What a week. Rough for all Californians. Exhausting for the firefighters on the front lines. Heart-shattering for those who lost homes and loved ones. But a special “Truman Show†kind of hell for the cadre of men and women who’ve not just watched California burn, fire ax in hand, for the past two or three or five decades, but who’ve also fully understood the fire policy that created the landscape that is now up in flames.
“What’s it like?†Tim Ingalsbee repeated back to me, wearily, when I asked him what it was like to watch California this past week. In 1980, Ingalsbee started working as a wildland firefighter. In 1995, he earned a doctorate in environmental sociology. And in 2005, frustrated by the huge gap between what he was learning about fire management and seeing on the fire line, he started Firefighters United for Safety, Ethics, and Ecology. Since then FUSEE has been lobbying Congress, and trying to educate anybody who will listen, about the misguided fire policy that is leading to the megafires we are seeing today.
So what’s it like? “It’s just … well … it’s horrible. Horrible to see this happening when the science is so clear and has been clear for years. I suffer from Cassandra syndrome,†Ingalsbee said. “Every year I warn people: Disaster’s coming. We got to change. And no one listens. And then it happens.â€
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https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen?utm_source=pocket-newtab (https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen?utm_source=pocket-newtab)
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A pretty good article, but it doesn't go far enough... Prescribed burns, sure, but forest management, and grassland management is just as important. It is an entire ecology - Without the logging sales, there are no crews, and no machinery, and no roads for firebreaks and access. Without grazing pressure and haying, weeds out pace the grasses and can grow well into 10 feet high... All cracklin brown by the dog days of summer.
Even wildlife and ag husbandry get into the deal - The buckbrush all along this creek out back is ground pruned by the deer... There is literally not a single thing near the ground within the reach of a deer on it's back legs... So there is no dry fuels within 4 ft of the canopy... A fire could conceivably pass right under that brush and never light it up at all. Goats do the same. Heck, throw some hogs at a tangled mess of brushland, come back in a week or two, and it will all be gone. All of it.
And of course, mechanical removal wherever density calls for it. mow it down. Prune it up. park it out. Not only will it be far harder to catch fire, it will be far easier to control and put out.
This is purely bunny-hugger nonsense preaching to let it go wild. Especially in populated areas. but everywhere else too. The options are to manage it or watch it burn. That's really the only two choices.
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I think it's because they don't like any of the proposed solutions. Some Capitalists might make a buck.
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For years they have gone around and railed out (and burned) huge swaths of sagebrush and planted things like crested wheatgrass.
Other flora suffered. Fauna disappearing.
Guess what they are planting now?
Sagebrush.
I don't know if it is the law, but logging/timber companies tend to plant back more trees than they kill.
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I don't know if it is the law, but logging/timber companies tend to plant back more trees than they kill.
They tend their lands like orchards.
The basic problem is that over a period of something like 5 decades, the Enviros have been given the ability to prevent common sense land management. Until the Enviros - in NGOs and in government - are hamstrung and rooted out, all states will be plagued by them in some way and degree. In CA it's forest manglement and wildfires. In other states it's declaring a man-made pond a "navigable waterway of the United States". Etc., etc., etc. ......
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They tend their lands like orchards.
The basic problem is that over a period of something like 5 decades, the Enviros have been given the ability to prevent common sense land management. Until the Enviros - in NGOs and in government - are hamstrung and rooted out, all states will be plagued by them in some way and degree. In CA it's forest manglement and wildfires. In other states it's declaring a man-made pond a "navigable waterway of the United States". Etc., etc., etc. ......
I know all about it.
The federal government owns 61.65 percent of Idaho's total land, 32,635,835 acres out of 52,933,120 total acres. Idaho ranked sixth in the nation in federal land ownership.
There has been a problem here of people owning a piece of ground accessible through another piece of property. Someone will buy the first piece and block access to the other. Happened to one uncle. He won in court. Happened to some other people we know. Both pieces bordered BLM ground. My other uncle took his D6 Cat and made a road up to the back property. BLM guy showed up and asked what my uncle thought he was doing. My uncle said any GDed I want to. Road is still there.
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Like I said, Capitalists might make a buck, and we can't have that. It's far more important than stupid shit like Flora and Fauna.
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A pretty good article, but it doesn't go far enough... Prescribed burns, sure, but forest management, and grassland management is just as important. It is an entire ecology - Without the logging sales, there are no crews, and no machinery, and no roads for firebreaks and access. Without grazing pressure and haying, weeds out pace the grasses and can grow well into 10 feet high... All cracklin brown by the dog days of summer.
Even wildlife and ag husbandry get into the deal - The buckbrush all along this creek out back is ground pruned by the deer... There is literally not a single thing near the ground within the reach of a deer on it's back legs... So there is no dry fuels within 4 ft of the canopy... A fire could conceivably pass right under that brush and never light it up at all. Goats do the same. Heck, throw some hogs at a tangled mess of brushland, come back in a week or two, and it will all be gone. All of it.
And of course, mechanical removal wherever density calls for it. mow it down. Prune it up. park it out. Not only will it be far harder to catch fire, it will be far easier to control and put out.
This is purely bunny-hugger nonsense preaching to let it go wild. Especially in populated areas. but everywhere else too. The options are to manage it or watch it burn. That's really the only two choices.
While the so called environmentalists rage at clear cutting, while those newly planted trees are growing there is habitat diversity from the cut areas growing up in grasses, and birds like Spotted Owls (among a host of others) live along those forest margins, eating from the meadows, hunting in the meadows, and nesting in the trees. The very cries of biodiversity are muted by the howls for preservation, and the critters suffer. It takes diverse environmental niches to support a diverse fauna.
BTW, someone might burn that beetle killed wood in a fire place (the horror! :terror:, the CARBON! ***hair on fire) or worse yet, use it to make something....Or fire killed timber. So much timber is rotting on the hoof because of environmental proscriptions now, it isn't funny, adding to fuel load instead of being utilized. A really, really, big part of sustainable resources is that you use those resources, not let them go to waste to the eventual detriment of the ecosystem.
But someone hit that nail on the head. Instead of collecting $xx a month and handing out t-shirts, someone might actually make money utilizing resources! That's anathema to the Communist collective.
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Like I said, Capitalists might make a buck, and we can't have that. It's far more important than stupid shit like Flora and Fauna.
Its as simple as the average California resident goes ape shit over cutting down a tree. You cannot clear trees back from where you want to build a home without massive fines.
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Because the enviro-whackos are in charge of the climate.
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Its as simple as the average California resident goes ape shit over cutting down a tree. You cannot clear trees back from where you want to build a home without massive fines.
They, in particular, don't want timber companies harvesting the deadwood. They might make a buck, and that must NOT be permitted!! Better to bankrupt timber companies than let them do what comes naturally to clear the underbrush.
Heaven forbid somebody might make a buck.
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Because the enviro-whackos are in charge of the climate.
No, they aren't any more in charge of the climate than I could own a moon crater for a home site, although the latter is an eventual possibility. They are exerting power over people and resources they themselves will never use. It is the ultimate Dog in the Manger gig.
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They, in particular, don't want timber companies harvesting the deadwood. They might make a buck, and that must NOT be permitted!! Better to bankrupt timber companies than let them do what comes naturally to clear the underbrush.
Heaven forbid somebody might make a buck.
They don't want private entities cutting firewood, because, well, they'd rather burn it in the wild and smoke out people in States far away (Yes, even in North Dakota we had a few days of unreal haze from smoke from California wildfires). So they pollute our air rather than their own (and then bitch about fraccing). Typical Leftists.
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They don't want private entities cutting firewood, because, well, they'd rather burn it in the wild and smoke out people in States far away (Yes, even in North Dakota we had a few days of unreal haze from smoke from California wildfires). So they pollute our air rather than their own. Typical Leftists.
They feel good about themselves, and that's the important thing.
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They feel good about themselves, and that's the important thing.
Let the bloody wankers do what wankers do to feel good and leave the rest of the world out of it. They won't even have to drive/fly in to virtue signal, and the rest of the planet can have a life.
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Let the bloody wankers do what wankers do to feel good and leave the rest of the world out of it. They won't even have to drive/fly in to virtue signal, and the rest of the planet can have a life.
If you let them do what they want there would be rioting in the streets with no fear of retribution...
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If you let them do what they want there would be rioting in the streets with no fear of retribution...
Only in San Francisco. I meant 'wankers' when I said 'wankers'. Maybe they could have their mass debate online...
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They don't want private entities cutting firewood, because, well, they'd rather burn it in the wild and smoke out people in States far away (Yes, even in North Dakota we had a few days of unreal haze from smoke from California wildfires). So they pollute our air rather than their own (and then bitch about fraccing). Typical Leftists.
How about the federal government fine California for the massive air pollution they cause? It is preventable.
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Only in San Francisco. I meant 'wankers' when I said 'wankers'. Maybe they could have their mass debate online...
Oh. You meant wankers.
Mass debate online. Isn't that twitter?
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How about the federal government fine California for the massive air pollution they cause? It is preventable.
The same National government that decided it's OK to wipe out the last of the California Condors is going to decide whether California should be fined. How do you think that's going to go?
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The same National government that decided it's OK to wipe out the last of the California Condors is going to decide whether California should be fined. How do you think that's going to go?
Tough ?
Up in smoke.
Shot down in flames.
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Oh. You meant wankers.
Mass debate online. Isn't that twitter?
Yep! and fecebook, when they aren't scrubbed.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhblnokWkAI2b-5?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/kalpurrnia/status/1303481613880381444/photo/1
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A pretty good article, but it doesn't go far enough... Prescribed burns, sure, but forest management, and grassland management is just as important. It is an entire ecology - Without the logging sales, there are no crews, and no machinery, and no roads for firebreaks and access. Without grazing pressure and haying, weeds out pace the grasses and can grow well into 10 feet high... All cracklin brown by the dog days of summer.
Even wildlife and ag husbandry get into the deal - The buckbrush all along this creek out back is ground pruned by the deer... There is literally not a single thing near the ground within the reach of a deer on it's back legs... So there is no dry fuels within 4 ft of the canopy... A fire could conceivably pass right under that brush and never light it up at all. Goats do the same. Heck, throw some hogs at a tangled mess of brushland, come back in a week or two, and it will all be gone. All of it.
And of course, mechanical removal wherever density calls for it. mow it down. Prune it up. park it out. Not only will it be far harder to catch fire, it will be far easier to control and put out.
This is purely bunny-hugger nonsense preaching to let it go wild. Especially in populated areas. but everywhere else too. The options are to manage it or watch it burn. That's really the only two choices.
@roamer_1
Let's not forget controlled burns of brush and grass. The envio-whackos won't allowed controlled burns for "environmental reasons",but if you keep it burned,it doesn't grow and become a 20 foot wall of fire. The ONLY way to do this is to do it every year.
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I know all about it.
The federal government owns
@bigheadfred
You misspelled "Feral".
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Like I said, Capitalists might make a buck, and we can't have that.
@Cyber Liberty
Not true. SELECTED capitalists,as in those with the "right" political connections who have given "gifts" to the "right politicians" make plenty of money.
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@roamer_1
Let's not forget controlled burns of brush and grass. The envio-whackos won't allowed controlled burns for "environmental reasons",but if you keep it burned,it doesn't grow and become a 20 foot wall of fire. The ONLY way to do this is to do it every year.
That's right... We burn the ditches every year. It ain't the grass so much as the bachelor buttons, king thistle, milkweed, and kinnykinik. All that stuff is burned off in the spring so it won't add to the trouble in the fall.
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@Cyber Liberty
Not true. SELECTED capitalists,as in those with the "right" political connections who have given "gifts" to the "right politicians" make plenty of money.
Apparently there aren't any logging and timber companies on that list. The Environmental wackos managed to put them out of business, and the forest service access roads have gone fallow so it's difficult to log, were it permitted. Which it isn't.
It's not an issue of who gets graft, because nobody's allowed to touch the deadwood. They might make a buck at it.
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This is purely bunny-hugger nonsense preaching to let it go wild. Especially in populated areas. but everywhere else too. The options are to manage it or watch it burn. That's really the only two choices.
There's a reason why they are called 'wild' fires.
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Apparently there aren't any logging and timber companies on that list. The Environmental wackos managed to put them out of business, and the forest service access roads have gone fallow so it's difficult to log, were it permitted. Which it isn't.
It's not an issue of who gets graft, because nobody's allowed to touch the deadwood. They might make a buck at it.
@Cyber Liberty
You missed the unstated overall point,which is the globalists don't give a damn if all the forest burns away because in "Future World",where THEY are the Masters of the Universe,we will not need much timber because the population will have been "cut back to a reasonable level",and they will all live in cement buildings close to work.
Like in the old USSR,the ONLY people who will be allowed to live outside the designated work cities will be a few trappers,a few forest rangers,and the elites in management will of course,have their body guards,aides,house staff,etc,etc,etc.
Lumbering is a blue-collar "red neck" business,and rednecks are too independent to be allowed to live in the Murika of the future. Only cogs in the machine will be allowed to live.
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@Cyber Liberty
You missed the unstated overall point,which is the globalists don't give a damn if all the forest burns away because in "Future World",where THEY are the Masters of the Universe,we will not need much timber because the population will have been "cut back to a reasonable level",and they will all live in cement buildings close to work.
Like in the old USSR,the ONLY people who will be allowed to live outside the designated work cities will be a few trappers,a few forest rangers,and the elites in management will of course,have their body guards,aides,house staff,etc,etc,etc.
Lumbering is a blue-collar "red neck" business,and rednecks are too independent to be allowed to live in the Murika of the future. Only cogs in the machine will be allowed to live.
I didn't miss that point, I just wasn't making it. :shrug:
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California has set up government so that the city dwellers set rural policy.
The city dwellers set the rules on how farmers farm, ranchers ranch and the forests are managed.
All determined by people who have no clue on how their food arrives at their table or how nature works outside their local park.
And this is the result.
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California has set up government so that the city dwellers set rural policy.
The city dwellers set the rules on how farmers farm, ranchers ranch and the forests are managed.
All determined by people who have no clue on how their food arrives at their table or how nature works outside their local park.
And this is the result.
*FACTS*
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California has set up government so that the city dwellers set rural policy.
The city dwellers set the rules on how farmers farm, ranchers ranch and the forests are managed.
All determined by people who have no clue on how their food arrives at their table or how nature works outside their local park.
And this is the result.
How is CA's governance significantly different from other states? Other states' governors are not elected on a statewide one-person-one vote basis? Other states' legislative districts are not sized based on the basis of district population?
I agree that it is unjust that city-dwellers who are ignorant of agriculture can oppress and exploit farming/mining/rural regions of their state ( @Cyber Liberty ). I just disagree that California or "blue states" are uniquely constituted in a way that enables this.
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How is CA's governance significantly different from other states? Other states' governors are not elected on a statewide one-person-one vote basis? Other states' legislative districts are not sized based on the basis of district population?
I agree that it is unjust that city-dwellers who are ignorant of agriculture can oppress and exploit farming/mining/rural regions of their state ( @Cyber Liberty ). I just disagree that California or "blue states" are uniquely constituted in a way that enables this.
I would not say it's unique, but a matter of degrees. The state of California has an unusually high population all around, and that means enough legislative districts are concentrated in the cities to create one party dominance. What makes California almost unique is the "Jungle Primaries" where both candidates in the General Election could be Democrats. Louisiana has them too.
I would guess the Rats did that to California the day they got a veto-proof majority in the Assembly.
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To many college educated idiots making decisions the rest of us have to live with.
Our legislators, at every level, are passing laws they do not read, do not understand and have no interest in other than the money and votes that follow.
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How is CA's governance significantly different from other states? Other states' governors are not elected on a statewide one-person-one vote basis? Other states' legislative districts are not sized based on the basis of district population?
I agree that it is unjust that city-dwellers who are ignorant of agriculture can oppress and exploit farming/mining/rural regions of their state ( @Cyber Liberty ). I just disagree that California or "blue states" are uniquely constituted in a way that enables this.
The legislature punts putting items on the ballot that they should be handling. What other state legislates via the popular vote how big a chicken coop has to be, how big a pig pen has to be, how many cattle are allowed on an acre of land, etc? They've been setting the rules via people that have no clue how any of that works. It is all based on the emotions of city dwellers. It is exceedingly stupid way to run a state. It makes California farmers and ranchers less competitive relative to those outside the state that aren't constrained by those rules.
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Because the enviro-whackos are in charge of the climate.
DEWS...were used...again. There are some video's out there, proving that.
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To many college educated idiots making decisions the rest of us have to live with.
Our legislators, at every level, are passing laws they do not read, do not understand and have no interest in other than the money and votes that follow.
:thumbsup:
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DEWS...were used...again. There are some video's out there, proving that.
Hokey-tooter.
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@roamer_1
Let's not forget controlled burns of brush and grass. The envio-whackos won't allowed controlled burns for "environmental reasons",but if you keep it burned,it doesn't grow and become a 20 foot wall of fire. The ONLY way to do this is to do it every year.
Burning off the dead stuff allows for new growth, too. I would wager the critters would rather eat new grass than that dead dry stuff that's been there for years, otherwise, they'd have eaten it.
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How is CA's governance significantly different from other states? Other states' governors are not elected on a statewide one-person-one vote basis? Other states' legislative districts are not sized based on the basis of district population?
I agree that it is unjust that city-dwellers who are ignorant of agriculture can oppress and exploit farming/mining/rural regions of their state ( @Cyber Liberty ). I just disagree that California or "blue states" are uniquely constituted in a way that enables this.
BTW speaking of fires, it is damn near dark as night here in Santa Cruz right now, 4 pm. Never seen anything like it.
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The legislature punts putting items on the ballot that they should be handling. What other state legislates via the popular vote how big a chicken coop has to be, how big a pig pen has to be, how many cattle are allowed on an acre of land, etc? They've been setting the rules via people that have no clue how any of that works. It is all based on the emotions of city dwellers. It is exceedingly stupid way to run a state. It makes California farmers and ranchers less competitive relative to those outside the state that aren't constrained by those rules.
Absolutely right. The decisions should be made by people who have knowledge of the field and who will act in their interest. Ecowhackos are trying to maintain a static preservation of natural dynamic systems, something doomed to failure anyway. As for all this BS about "sustainability", farmers I have known are often working land that has been in or accumulated by generations in their families, and their interest aside from making a living is to preserve the means of production (the land and its fertility). Methods used and knowledge of the land itself (not in general,but that specific tract) have been handed down and improved on by those succeeding generations, or someone will get a shot at that when the operation fails. Those methods are similar over a broad area, perhaps, but are also unique to the varied characteristics of the land they are used on.
A one-size-fits-all requirement can only be administered successfully in the broadest sense, not down to minute specifics, or it will cause serious problems in food production, because one size does not fit all.
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BTW speaking of fires, it is damn near dark as night here in Santa Cruz right now, 4 pm. Never seen anything like it.
We got it easy this year... a couple hazy days where you could smell the smoke... But nothing really... A couple years ago we were socked in for the entire month of august, so thick I couldn't even see the mountain I live next to. I could see my neighbor's house, in the haze, but the one's across the creek and across the road were gone. For a month.
And that is our new normal for at least a decade... After the logging and mills were shut off the decade before. Now the woods all around are so thick and brushy and full of blow downs and dead snags that it is all just a matter of time. So it will continue.
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Apparently there aren't any logging and timber companies on that list. The Environmental wackos managed to put them out of business, and the forest service access roads have gone fallow so it's difficult to log, were it permitted. Which it isn't.
It's not an issue of who gets graft, because nobody's allowed to touch the deadwood. They might make a buck at it.
What the ecowhackos don't get is that even a tree has a use-by date. You either utilize that 'renewable resource' or it goes to waste. Funny how they want "efficiency" in the use of refined resources, but don't get that there is efficient use of sustainable (pardon the obligatory buzzword) natural resources.
As for the lack of water I keep hearing about, there is none. Seventy percent of the planet is covered with the stuff, it only has to have the salts and other contaminants removed.
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What the ecowhackos don't get is that even a tree has a use-by date. You either utilize that 'renewable resource' or it goes to waste. Funny how they want "efficiency" in the use of refined resources, but don't get that there is efficient use of sustainable (pardon the obligatory buzzword) natural resources.
Fact. I have walked through what they want... There are pockets of forest where no loggers go because it is too rugged, and where no fire can go because the trees are mature. Nothing grows under them.
But it is a fantasy to think that is the norm. Fire is part of the natural ecology. Nine times out of ten, if you leave that forest be, it will burn down in the next 20 years. That's just how it works. And I can prove it to you on millions of acres where logging has never been. Those ain't ancient trees so big around you;ll only get one butt on a logging truck. Most of em ain't 100 years old, heck most ain't 50. Even though Man ain't there, the cycle is always the same. It grows, becomes too dense, and a lightning strike sets a fire and burns it all down. Over and over, same ol song.
The problem comes where rural meets wilderness. Where forest meets town. Now you have investments on the land. you can't just let the thing burn though or a whole lot of damage will be done. Thankfully, you also have the logging industry that can mimic those fires in a more controlled fashion. Either parking vast tracts through selective cutting to produce larger more valuable trees, or by clear cutting and replanting whole tracts. This is what has kept those bad fires far away from human habitation.
The environmental whack jobs fail to see that reality, and now want natural forest right at the towns door. What they fail to understand is what happens, like what is happening to CA. You are inviting that fire to burn down everything. You are creating conditions that cannot be controlled. and suffering ensues.
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We got it easy this year... a couple hazy days where you could smell the smoke... But nothing really... A couple years ago we were socked in for the entire month of august, so thick I couldn't even see the mountain I live next to. I could see my neighbor's house, in the haze, but the one's across the creek and across the road were gone. For a month.
And that is our new normal for at least a decade... After the logging and mills were shut off the decade before. Now the woods all around are so thick and brushy and full of blow downs and dead snags that it is all just a matter of time. So it will continue.
Haze is one thing. This is dark. Cars had headlights on at 2 pm. Right now it is dusk, I mean 8:30 pm dusk, even though the sun should still be shining. Its really weird.
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Haze is one thing. This is dark. Cars had headlights on at 2 pm. Right now it is dusk, I mean 8:30 pm dusk, even though the sun should still be shining. Its really weird.
I know all about it. That's just about our every August.
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Most of the men, know about DEWS.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=l44Gfgh3paM&feature=emb_logo#)
OCT 2017
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=lN2IxvDMnHg&feature=emb_logo#)
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Most of the men, know about DEWS.
Digital Electonics Warfare System?
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Haze is one thing. This is dark. Cars had headlights on at 2 pm. Right now it is dusk, I mean 8:30 pm dusk, even though the sun should still be shining. Its really weird.
When I went out of the house this AM at 7:30 the light-controlled street lights were still on. At 8:20 the parking lights were still on at my dentist's office. From what I've read, we're getting upper atmosphere smoke from fires as far north as Oregon, including a large fire in Solano and Lake Counties.
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Digital Electonics Warfare System?
That's all wet...
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Digital Electonics Warfare System?
Development Economic Western Switzerland?
Delivering Environmental Web Services?
Drought Early Warning System?
Distant Early Warning Signs?
Directed Energy Weapons System?
https://www.acronymfinder.com/DEWS.html (https://www.acronymfinder.com/DEWS.html)
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Digital Electonics Warfare System?
Directed Energy Weapons - Tinfoil hokum.
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Directed Energy Weapons - Tinfoil hokum.
Depends on the type.
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Depends on the type.
The type that requires no evidence to believe.
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The type that requires no evidence to believe.
Oh. I was going to suggest ONR Division 351.
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Directed energy weapons are NOT starting fires in CA. Total BS.
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Directed energy weapons are NOT starting fires in CA. Total BS.
Right. Just a waste of ammo. :whistle:
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Right. Just a waste of ammo. :whistle:
LOL! :beer:
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I didn't miss that point, I just wasn't making it. :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty
Sorry. Nothing personal. I like to post things like that occasionally to remind people "where this trip will end" if the left takes over total control.
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Burning off the dead stuff allows for new growth, too. I would wager the critters would rather eat new grass than that dead dry stuff that's been there for years, otherwise, they'd have eaten it.
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@Smokin Joe
Don't try to tell that tot he typical bunny-hugger. You might hear something like "GRASS??? You make them eat GRASS??? OUTRAGEOUS! We need laws against things like that! They should eat healthy food like soy beans,like the rest of us!"
Sometimes I would swear I think some of those people thinks the Bugs Bunny cartoons are documentaries.
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Directed Energy Weapons - Tinfoil hokum.
@roamer_1
Ok,I will admit to being a GED graduate,but ain't ALL weapons "directed energy"?
I know al the weapons I own are,and I am the director.
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@Smokin Joe
Don't try to tell that tot he typical bunny-hugger. You might hear something like "GRASS??? You make them eat GRASS??? OUTRAGEOUS! We need laws against things like that! They should eat healthy food like soy beans,like the rest of us!"
Sometimes I would swear I think some of those people thinks the Bugs Bunny cartoons are documentaries.
I think they got their education and inspiration from Bambi (the cartoon, not any of a number of entertainers, who might have been better inspiration, but that is another discussion).
That and Captain Planet which spent about 15 seconds talking about "Evil Oil" before it was banned from my house (it would have been less time, but I couldn't find the remote).
Maybe the "Free-range, cage-free, grass-fed, vegan, no antibiotics, EVERRR, organic chicken egg" thing will get them to figure out that grass is food for some critters. (Green, leafy, things is what food eats!)
But I doubt it. I think these are the kids who had trouble connecting dots when they were little.... :shrug:
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@roamer_1
Ok,I will admit to being a GED graduate,but ain't ALL weapons "directed energy"?
I know al the weapons I own are,and I am the director.
@sneakypete
No, evidently this is sooper secret sh*t up in AK that combines moon beams, the holes in cheese, and unicorn farts, and turns em into a death ray, that if they bounce it just right off the atmosphere, can cause the newspaper in your hand to burst into flame from 42000 miles away. Unequivocally proven with stuff n' sh*t...
*****rollingeyes***** :shrug: :whistle:
EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah, they also cause earthquakes, tidal surges, tsunamis, and hurricanes. And maybe will set off Yellowstone.
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@roamer_1
Ok,I will admit to being a GED graduate,but ain't ALL weapons "directed energy"?
I know al the weapons I own are,and I am the director.
Pretty much. Except in this case they are specific to High Energy Lasers, High Powered Microwaves, etc.
Here is a link.
https://www.onr.navy.mil/en/Science-Technology/Departments/Code-35/All-Programs/aerospace-science-research-351/directed-energy-weapons-cdew-and-high-energy-lasers (https://www.onr.navy.mil/en/Science-Technology/Departments/Code-35/All-Programs/aerospace-science-research-351/directed-energy-weapons-cdew-and-high-energy-lasers)
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@sneakypete
No, evidently this is sooper secret sh*t up in AK that combines moon beams, the holes in cheese, and unicorn farts, and turns em into a death ray, that if they bounce it just right off the atmosphere, can cause the newspaper in your hand to burst into flame from 42000 miles away. Unequivocally proven with stuff n' sh*t...
*****rollingeyes***** :shrug: :whistle:
You are HAARPing.
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You are HAARPing.
Could be... :shrug:
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Maybe the "Free-range, cage-free, grass-fed, vegan, no antibiotics, EVERRR, organic chicken egg" thing will get them to figure out that grass is food for some critters. (Green, leafy, things is what food eats!)
@Smokin Joe
Speaking of "Smokin",I used to like smoking some "green leafy vegetables",back when I still had lungs that weren't full of water.
Still like eating them. I defy ANYONE to tackle a plate full of my mother's collard greens and say they don't want more.
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@sneakypete
No, evidently this is sooper secret sh*t up in AK that combines moon beams, the holes in cheese, and unicorn farts, and turns em into a death ray, that if they bounce it just right off the atmosphere, can cause the newspaper in your hand to burst into flame from 42000 miles away. Unequivocally proven with stuff n' sh*t...
*****rollingeyes***** :shrug: :whistle:
EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah, they also cause earthquakes, tidal surges, tsunamis, and hurricanes. And maybe will set off Yellowstone.
@roamer_1
Thanks! Good thing I don't read newspapers,huh? I am immune to their dastardly secret weapons system!
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@Smokin Joe
Speaking of "Smokin",I used to like smoking some "green leafy vegetables",back when I still had lungs that weren't full of water.
Still like eating them. I defy ANYONE to tackle a plate full of my mother's collard greens and say they don't want more.
You splash a bit of vinegar on them?
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You splash a bit of vinegar on them?
Sounds like the very best!
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Sounds like the very best!
Now I have a yen for beet greens.*sigh*
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Still like eating them. I defy ANYONE to tackle a plate full of my mother's collard greens and say they don't want more.
Oh how I miss collard greens... I got swiss chard to act like em sorta, but it ain't the same.
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Now I have a yen for beet greens.*sigh*
Been there for a few months. Or turnip greens. Didn't plant either, but I do got sweet potato greens going on... and chard and kale of course.
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You splash a bit of vinegar on them?
@bigheadfred
Is there any other way?
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@bigheadfred
Is there any other way?
Not to me. :shrug:
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Directed energy weapons are NOT starting fires in CA. Total BS.
Some were started by the Directed Energy Weapons of Zeus, I think. 333cleo yogi555
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Some were started by the Directed Energy Weapons of Zeus, I think. 333cleo yogi555
Some were started by arsonists, although I don't know about the current 'crop'.
I would not put it past the Communists or some of the jihadi types to do so.
(and yes, you can get lasers that could be misused that way, but it is more likely some garden variety matches would be used)
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@Cyber Liberty
Sorry. Nothing personal. I like to post things like that occasionally to remind people "where this trip will end" if the left takes over total control.
@sneakypete
:beer: :beer:
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Some were started by arsonists, although I don't know about the current 'crop'.
I would not put it past the Communists or some of the jihadi types to do so.
(and yes, you can get lasers that could be misused that way, but it is more likely some garden variety matches would be used)
An arsonist with a drone could cause major destruction.
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Antifa militant livestreams his own arrest after allegedly setting fire in Washington State
Mia Cathell
The Post Millennial
September 10, 2020 1:54 PM
An alleged Antifa arsonist charged for reckless burning in the second degree had reported a fire set in Washington and then filmed his subsequent arrest.
Jeffrey Acord, 36 of Pallyup, called 911 Wednesday evening to report a fire in the median of Highway 167 near Tacoma, Washington. After dialing dispatch services, Acord then livestreamed the incident to his Facebook page, providing constant narration. ... The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-activist-charged-for-fire-set-in-washington)
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Some were started by arsonists, although I don't know about the current 'crop'.
I would not put it past the Communists or some of the jihadi types to do so.
(and yes, you can get lasers that could be misused that way, but it is more likely some garden variety matches would be used)
I would assume we already know of certain subversives, that have set fires.
Instead of busting them at this time, use them to take us to their leaders and inside their organizations to find more members.
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I would assume we already know of certain subversives, that have set fires.
Instead of busting them at this time, use them to take us to their leaders and inside their organizations to find more members.
The Big Sur fire is the only one I'm aware of that is arson in California.
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Antifa militant livestreams his own arrest after allegedly setting fire in Washington State
Mia Cathell
The Post Millennial
September 10, 2020 1:54 PM
@mountaineer
This takes being an attention whore to a whole new level.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhiSYzYVkAAYvR7?format=jpg&name=360x360)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhiSYzWVkAIq0to?format=jpg&name=small)
Katie Daviscourt @KatieDaviscourt
BUCKLEY, WA—Reports of residents finding large vases with paper placed in brush. The glass acts as a magnifying glass and catches the paper on fire. #westcoastfires
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhiWwZ6U8AEa1oh?format=jpg&name=medium)
3:25 AM · Sep 10, 2020 from Seattle, WA
See also:Arson suspect arrested after allegedly starting multiple fires in Spokane on Monday (https://www.khq.com/news/arson-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-starting-multiple-fires-in-spokane-on-monday/article_62df8a40-f223-11ea-8a02-af6f5dca5965.html)
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Some were started by the Directed Energy Weapons of Zeus, I think. 333cleo yogi555
Very well could be. No kidding. The Perseids peaked not too long ago.
NEOs are of interest to me. What size of an undetected meteorite does it take to start a wildfire?
Anyway, a link to NEOs for 2020. Wikipedia. I'll link the NASA database or the ROES if people need to know.
NEO (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiey4C04t_rAhXBpZ4KHdOQClMQFjAMegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_asteroid_close_approaches_to_Earth_in_2020&usg=AOvVaw1n6Ye4wyzFj7GG1hyGM7ah)
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Very well could be. No kidding. The Perseids peaked not too long ago.
NEOs are of interest to me. What size of an undetected meteorite does it take to start a wildfire?
Anyway, a link to NEOs for 2020. Wikipedia. I'll link the NASA database or the ROES if people need to know.
NEO (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiey4C04t_rAhXBpZ4KHdOQClMQFjAMegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_asteroid_close_approaches_to_Earth_in_2020&usg=AOvVaw1n6Ye4wyzFj7GG1hyGM7ah)
The two big fires in the East Bay Area and Solano-Lake Counties were both caused by lightning. Trump-Zeus Collusion!
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The two big fires in the East Bay Area and Solano-Lake Counties were both caused by lightning. Trump-Zeus Collusion!
I believe that. There is a clip of several metorites, in the daytime, coming down in Brazil.
People take videos that show a line of light coming from the sky in the vicinity of a wildfire start and scream DEW. It may very well be a meteorite strike instead.
I want to know the truth.
Lightning.
Arson.
Meteorite.
DEW
Electrical. (downed power line)
and as a last resort
Satan.
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Pretty much. Except in this case they are specific to High Energy Lasers, High Powered Microwaves, etc.
Here is a link.
https://www.onr.navy.mil/en/Science-Technology/Departments/Code-35/All-Programs/aerospace-science-research-351/directed-energy-weapons-cdew-and-high-energy-lasers (https://www.onr.navy.mil/en/Science-Technology/Departments/Code-35/All-Programs/aerospace-science-research-351/directed-energy-weapons-cdew-and-high-energy-lasers)
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