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Title: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: flowers on May 19, 2014, 02:43:32 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/18/Harry-Reid-Vote-to-Amend-U-S-Constitution-to-Limit-Political-Speech

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On May 15, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) announced the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on June 3 on amending the U.S. Constitution to limit political speech. If ultimately adopted, it would mark the first time in American history that a constitutional amendment rescinded a freedom listed as among the fundamental rights of the American people.   

The proposed amendment was introduced by Sen. Tom Udall (D-CO) as S.J.R. 19 and if ratified would become the Twenty-Eighth Amendment. It provides in part that “Congress shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect [to] the Federal elections … [and] State elections.”

The proposed amendment includes a provision that “Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress the power to abridge the freedom of the press.” So Breitbart News, The New York Times, and the mainstream media would be able to say whatever they want, but citizens and citizen groups such as the National Rifle Association could not.

The American people have amended the Constitution 27 times in the nation’s history. Ten of those happened in a single package when the states ratified the Bill of Rights, and another three occurred between 1865 and 1870 following the Civil War, forbidding slavery and racial discrimination. 

Reid usually opposes amending the Constitution. In 2011, Reid voted against S.J.R. 10, a proposed constitutional amendment by Sens. Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee (R-UT) that would require the federal government to balance the federal budget. In 2004 Reid voted against S.J.R. 40 that would have protected marriage as the union of one man and one woman, which would not include same-sex partners or polygamous marriages of three or more people.

Only one amendment has modified a previous amendment. The Eighteenth Amendment was ratified in 1919 and empowered Congress to forbid alcohol nationwide. Then the Twenty-First Amendment was ratified in 1933 to repeal the Eighteenth Amendment and allow alcohol to flow once again.

But the right of Americans to fully engage in political speech is guaranteed by the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment. If S.J.R. 19 becomes part of the Constitution, it would be the first instance in which a right secured by a constitutional amendment was later scaled back.

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) promises that the full Senate will vote on the measure later this year.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: rangerrebew on May 19, 2014, 02:52:42 pm
My, my!  The Commiecrats are really getting bold in showing their true colors, aren't they?  The next obvious Amendment attack would be to get rid of the Second Amendment. 888bravo
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 02:53:39 pm
This has no legs.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 19, 2014, 03:20:29 pm
My, my!  The Commiecrats are really getting bold in showing their true colors, aren't they?  The next obvious Amendment attack would be to get rid of the Second Amendment. 888bravo

Which is why a convention of states isn't a great idea.  Do not give the left an opening!
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 03:21:41 pm
Their first target is talk radio. Then they will move to shut down sites like this and eventually attempt to intimidate Fox News.
 
The ultimate idea in this is that if I come on a web site and write something like, "I really like Ted Cruz." Then that would be considered what they are calling 'political speech' and would therefore be under the oversight of the FEC, with all the crap and headache that would rain down on the owner of the site. It is some real deal naziesque crap.
 
Of course none of these rules would apply to Liberal sites or to Democrats because the rules or laws never do.
 
But yes, there is no longer even a pretense of respect for the American system of government. The current administration is going full bore to establish a Cuban-ish style of communist authoritarianism.
 
Welcome to the third world everyone. We have arrived.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 19, 2014, 05:33:52 pm
Their first target is talk radio. Then they will move to shut down sites like this and eventually attempt to intimidate Fox News.
 
The ultimate idea in this is that if I come on a web site and write something like, "I really like Ted Cruz." Then that would be considered what they are calling 'political speech' and would therefore be under the oversight of the FEC, with all the crap and headache that would rain down on the owner of the site. It is some real deal naziesque crap.
 
Of course none of these rules would apply to Liberal sites or to Democrats because the rules or laws never do.
 
But yes, there is no longer even a pretense of respect for the American system of government. The current administration is going full bore to establish a Cuban-ish style of communist authoritarianism.
 
Welcome to the third world everyone. We have arrived.

Well since many here believe there's absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, I guess it will pass the Senate 100 to 0.   :pondering:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 06:03:37 pm
Well since many here believe there's absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, I guess it will pass the Senate 100 to 0.   :pondering:

DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!

(I stole that)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 06:11:58 pm
Well since many here believe there's absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, I guess it will pass the Senate 100 to 0.   :pondering:

I get and understand your point, but that is not how it works. What they do is work out between them who is going to vote which way. I was proud of how the Pubs voted on Obamacare, but that is a rare situation.
 
Normally they negotiate and know what the vote is going to be and who is going to vote which way for their political self-interest. That is what all the deals and pork is all about.
 
It is in all of their interests to work with each other, more or less, and to keep the game going. I'll vote for this if you will vote for that. Otherwise the Republicans would have no threat to extort favors.
 
You actually make a very good point in that if there was a vote like that then the gig would be up. They have to keep it respectable. But in the end, the Democrats almost always get whatever they want. No matter what.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 06:19:30 pm
You actually make a very good point in that if there was a vote like that then the gig would be up. They have to keep it respectable. But in the end, the Democrats almost always get whatever they want. No matter what.

MAC knows that. He or she isn't looking for education. MAC simply wants to poke people like me in the eye. And then wonder why he or she is treated rudely from time to time. MAC has very liberal sensibilities.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2014, 06:31:19 pm
People that sit on the 99 yard line, think somebody on the 85 yard line is on the enemy's side.

 
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2014, 06:39:32 pm
DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!

(I stole that)

Yes, you did.   A little bit...a little bit.   LOL!
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 06:41:23 pm
MAC knows that. He or she isn't looking for education. MAC simply wants to poke people like me in the eye. And then wonder why he or she is treated rudely from time to time. MAC has very liberal sensibilities.

Or a low tolerance for BS.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2014, 06:42:29 pm
Or a low tolerance for BS.

Took the words right out of my mouth.......  :laugh:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 06:43:32 pm
People that sit on the 99 yard line, think somebody on the 85 yard line is on the enemy's side.

C'mon, if you're going to bash, at least be clever about it.
(Hint, there is no 99 yard line).
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 06:45:13 pm
Or a low tolerance for BS.

Or an inability to distinguish? An opinion that doesn't fit with one's view of the political spectrum is BS?
Or perhaps that's the intolerance you seek?
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 06:52:13 pm
C'mon, if you're going to bash, at least be clever about it.
(Hint, there is no 99 yard line).

I think goes People on the 1 yard line think that people on the 10 yard line are playing for the other side. Well, yes, that is usually how it works.
 
Unless we are playing Rugby that is. Oh wait, no, it would be the same thing.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Chieftain on May 19, 2014, 07:29:20 pm
This is Harry Reid reverting to type....liberals are all about banning anything they consider politically incorrect, and speech heads the top of their list.  This is instructive for those who have open eyes and ears, because this US Senator is most certainly not about Freedom.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 19, 2014, 07:34:55 pm
MAC knows that. He or she isn't looking for education. MAC simply wants to poke people like me in the eye. And then wonder why he or she is treated rudely from time to time. MAC has very liberal sensibilities.

Actually JR, you're the only one here who has been out-and-out rude at least with respect to me.  And I certainly won't look to the likes of you to tell me anything about conservatism.  And if you want me to  :nometalk:, then talk to the owners, not me.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 07:50:02 pm
Actually JR, you're the only one here who has been out-and-out rude at least with respect to me.  And I certainly won't look to the likes of you to tell me anything about conservatism.  And if you want me to  :nometalk:, then talk to the owners, not me.

Nope, simply pointing out that your post was a sarcastic bash.
Where am I wrong?

If you see that as rude, sorry, reality bites for some people.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 19, 2014, 07:56:42 pm
Nope, simply pointing out that your post was a sarcastic bash.
Where am I wrong?

If you see that as rude, sorry, reality bites for some people.

Yeah, it's tough facing such reality.   8888crybaby
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 07:57:20 pm
Or an inability to distinguish? An opinion that doesn't fit with one's view of the political spectrum is BS?
Or perhaps that's the intolerance you seek?

Mac and I know BS when we smell it.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 07:59:03 pm
Took the words right out of my mouth.......  :laugh:

Meatloaf, 1977
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 08:03:33 pm
Mac and I know BS when we smell it.

And I know maggots when I see them.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 08:08:05 pm
Meatloaf, 1977

Best rock opera ever after The Who.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11MzbEcHlw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11MzbEcHlw)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 19, 2014, 08:13:48 pm
And I know maggots when I see them.

You should,  88devil
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 08:17:57 pm
Another rock opera, best in the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNHxTWOKvgM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNHxTWOKvgM)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 08:27:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGegoE3Kik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGegoE3Kik)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 08:33:42 pm
And I know maggots when I see them.

Most of us been around these forums for a long time, and because of that we're used to all kinds of sophomoric attacks from posters who believe that the ends all to end all in a debate is to toss out "liberal", "libtard" RINO" or such other nonsense. When I see that, I immediately equate it to a liberal losing an argument... you know... when the race card gets played. Escalating the attacks to include insecta and other assorted vermin just means that we have now added beer to the sophomoric behavior.

If you were ever to accuse me of having liberal tendencies, I'd say that you were right. I am very much a Liberal Classic, and sometimes I may even brush up against post modern liberalism insofar as I truly believe that short of engaging in activities which pick my pocket or breaks my leg, people should be left alone to do as they wish, with no coercion from either the State, the Church, or a self-anointed morally superior Omnipotent Majority.

So, should you decide to accuse me of having "liberal sensibilities", you will be correct, so don't bother trying to cast the insult. Insults only work when they mean something to the targeted recipient.

I have a long, established habit of considering the source before embracing the moment (and the insult) as it were.

 
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: 240B on May 19, 2014, 08:37:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-vgGuTD8A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-vgGuTD8A)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 19, 2014, 08:47:46 pm
Most of us been around these forums for a long time, and because of that we're used to all kinds of sophomoric attacks from posters who believe that the ends all to end all in a debate is to toss out "liberal", "libtard" RINO" or such other nonsense. When I see that, I immediately equate it to a liberal losing an argument... you know... when the race card gets played. Escalating the attacks to include insecta and other assorted vermin just means that we have now added beer to the sophomoric behavior.

If you were ever to accuse me of having liberal tendencies, I'd say that you were right. I am very much a Liberal Classic, and sometimes I may even brush up against post modern liberalism insofar as I truly believe that short of engaging in activities which pick my pocket or breaks my leg, people should be left alone to do as they wish, with no coercion from either the State, the Church, or a self-anointed morally superior Omnipotent Majority.

So, should you decide to accuse me of having "liberal sensibilities", you will be correct, so don't bother trying to cast the insult. Insults only work when they mean something to the targeted recipient.

I have a long, established habit of considering the source before embracing the moment (and the insult) as it were.

So, in your intolerant way, you've decided that you dictate what is playing fair, and what is an automatic disqualification.

Here's a clue, I find your posts to be something I'd expect from someone with an over inflated sense of self importance. Your pseudo intellectual dribble is dry, and offers very little in the way of value. You tend to snipe, picking at other posters as you see fit in your own little world. I seek neither approval or validation from someone such as yourself.

Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: mystery-ak on May 19, 2014, 08:51:34 pm
I've tried to stay out of this...please move on and get this thread back on track or I will lock it...
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 08:51:36 pm
So, in your intolerant way, you've decided that you dictate what is playing fair, and what is an automatic disqualification.

Here's a clue, I find your posts to be something I'd expect from someone with an over inflated sense of self importance. Your pseudo intellectual dribble is dry, and offers very little in the way of value. You tend to snipe, picking at other posters as you see fit in your own little world. I seek neither approval or validation from someone such as yourself.

Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.

You probably also don't like Roquefort or Limburger.

They are both acquired tastes.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2014, 08:54:16 pm
So, in your intolerant way, you've decided that you dictate what is playing fair, and what is an automatic disqualification.

Here's a clue, I find your posts to be something I'd expect from someone with an over inflated sense of self importance. Your pseudo intellectual dribble is dry, and offers very little in the way of value. You tend to snipe, picking at other posters as you see fit in your own little world. I seek neither approval or validation from someone such as yourself.

Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.

Come on guys....please??  It's only freaking Monday.   LOL!

IMHO, MAC was simply pointing out that when people....some in here lately...publicly say there's no difference between the two parties in terms of leadership and policy (which is laughable on its face), then any vote taken in Congress to go against somebody like what Harry Reid is proposing would be impossible.   Said by MAC in a sarcastic tone, of course.

Maybe his 'crime' was not adding the "[/s]" at the end.   

Let's all shake hands and try not to take everything so personally.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: EC on May 19, 2014, 09:09:31 pm
Gents? Are you going to continue frying sprats over a can of sterno or help land this whale?
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 19, 2014, 09:15:12 pm
Come on guys....please??  It's only freaking Monday.   LOL!

IMHO, MAC was simply pointing out that when people....some in here lately...publicly say there's no difference between the two parties in terms of leadership and policy (which is laughable on its face), then any vote taken in Congress to go against somebody like what Harry Reid is proposing would be impossible.   Said by MAC in a sarcastic tone, of course.

Maybe his 'crime' was not adding the "[/s]" at the end.   

Let's all shake hands and try not to take everything so personally.

(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/11733/11733,1295897690,1/stock-photo-businessman-wearing-a-hand-buzzer-wanting-to-shake-hands-69687055.jpg)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 20, 2014, 12:03:29 am
So, in your intolerant way, you've decided that you dictate what is playing fair, and what is an automatic disqualification.

Here's a clue, I find your posts to be something I'd expect from someone with an over inflated sense of self importance. Your pseudo intellectual dribble is dry, and offers very little in the way of value. You tend to snipe, picking at other posters as you see fit in your own little world. I seek neither approval or validation from someone such as yourself.

Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.

Relic, I sense you're probably a pretty decent person, with some deeply held values.  But so are we all.  This is a good forum because for the most part, people can take positions others don't.  Quit taking it personally and try defeating the argument rather than the poster.  Luis and I have differences, but I truly respect his intellectual approach to an argument.  His logic is what you need to debate.  If you can't then don't activate your keyboard.  He isn't "teaming up" with me; he's trying to explain to you that some of us have been around the block and have different opinions.  But in the end I think we all want to keep the Country from moving any farther to the left.  Others here have also tried to suggest that to you.  As Mystery suggested, Let's move on. 
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 01:44:25 am
Relic, I sense you're probably a pretty decent person, with some deeply held values.  But so are we all.  This is a good forum because for the most part, people can take positions others don't.  Quit taking it personally and try defeating the argument rather than the poster.  Luis and I have differences, but I truly respect his intellectual approach to an argument.  His logic is what you need to debate.  If you can't then don't activate your keyboard.  He isn't "teaming up" with me; he's trying to explain to you that some of us have been around the block and have different opinions.  But in the end I think we all want to keep the Country from moving any farther to the left.  Others here have also tried to suggest that to you.  As Mystery suggested, Let's move on.

And we all moved on, but you felt compelled to take one more bite at lecturing me.

You took a swipe at those of us who think there is little to no difference between the parties, that it's simply the political elite versus the rest of us. 240B posted to tell you what you already know. The political class is clever enough to make it appear as though there is real opposition. I believe that to be the general case, even if not always true.

That is the "debate". I hope I made it clear for you, because in spite of your pontification, you seem to miss some things.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 20, 2014, 02:12:48 am
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Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.

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240B posted to tell you what you already know.

Got it!
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Oceander on May 20, 2014, 02:44:24 am
Gents? Are you going to continue frying sprats over a can of sterno or help land this whale?

Jack Sprat could eat no fat,

His wife could eat no lean.

:silly:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 03:28:43 am
So, in your intolerant way, you've decided that you dictate what is playing fair, and what is an automatic disqualification.

Here's a clue, I find your posts to be something I'd expect from someone with an over inflated sense of self importance. Your pseudo intellectual dribble is dry, and offers very little in the way of value. You tend to snipe, picking at other posters as you see fit in your own little world. I seek neither approval or validation from someone such as yourself.

Your teaming up with MAC is kind of cute. Some of the little girls in elementary school used to be like that.

You never did answer the question on Roquefort vs Limburger.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: R4 TrumPence on May 20, 2014, 05:27:42 am
Mac and Luis teaming up? The world must be coming to an end, or I am in an alternate universe!  *bouche* 8888huh :cross: :mauslaff:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 05:43:43 am
Mac and Luis teaming up? The world must be coming to an end, or I am in an alternate universe!  *bouche* 8888huh :cross: :mauslaff:

(http://www.tin-god.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bizarro.jpg)
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: R4 TrumPence on May 20, 2014, 05:45:02 am
Luis  go to bed LOL
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 05:47:28 am
Luis  go to bed LOL

LOL!  Can't sleep either.

After watching a 15 inning NATS game which they lost 4-3, I remembered to watch tonight's episode of 24. 

....where I found myself shouting twice....at the POTUS' Chief of Staff.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 05:51:10 am
And we all moved on, but you felt compelled to take one more bite at lecturing me.

You took a swipe at those of us who think there is little to no difference between the parties, that it's simply the political elite versus the rest of us. 240B posted to tell you what you already know. The political class is clever enough to make it appear as though there is real opposition. I believe that to be the general case, even if not always true.

That is the "debate". I hope I made it clear for you, because in spite of your pontification, you seem to miss some things.

The point that you, and so many like you miss, is that it is "us" that is electing the political class. It's not perhaps an "us" that you and others want to be a part of, but it is "us" nevertheless, in the larger sense of the word.

I don't adhere to all the farcical arguments on voter fraud and  "unfair" primaries. Hell, the people at large and the polity are so blindly disconnected from the affairs of State that neither fraud nor "unfairness" in the electoral process is needed to maintain the ruling class in power.

We are getting exactly the government that we deserve. 
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 05:52:37 am
LOL!  Can't sleep either.

After watching a 15 inning NATS game which they lost 4-3, I remembered to watch tonight's episode of 24. 

....where I found myself shouting twice....at the POTUS' Chief of Staff.

That is EXACTLY what I just finished doing.

You could tell that those two hadn't been married long.

Someone married twenty years or so may have held out for a few more knuckles.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 05:56:09 am
The point that you, and so many like you miss, is that it is "us" that is electing the political class. It's not perhaps an "us" that you and others want to be a part of, but it is "us" nevertheless, in the larger sense of the word.

I don't adhere to all the farcical arguments on voter fraud and  "unfair" primaries. Hell, the people at large and the polity are so blindly disconnected from the affairs of State that neither fraud nor "unfairness" in the electoral process is needed to maintain the ruling class in power.

We are getting exactly the government that we deserve.

Absolutely agree, Luis.

Now I know how the Conservatives in Sodom and Gomorrah must have felt.

All 'that guy' (whose name escapes me) had to do was find TEN good men and God promised to spare the cities.   And he couldn't do it.

Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: R4 TrumPence on May 20, 2014, 05:57:54 am
LOL!  Can't sleep either.

After watching a 15 inning NATS game which they lost 4-3, I remembered to watch tonight's episode of 24. 

....where I found myself shouting twice....at the POTUS' Chief of Staff.
Dang!!! I forgot to watch 24 8888crybaby
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 05:59:31 am
That is EXACTLY what I just finished doing.

You could tell that those two hadn't been married long.

Someone married twenty years or so may have held out for a few more knuckles.

I thought for sure she was going to execute her daughter right in front of him.  A hammer and chisel for a knuckle?   :thud:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: R4 TrumPence on May 20, 2014, 06:01:47 am
I thought for sure she was going to execute her daughter right in front of him.  A hammer and chisel for a knuckle?   :thud:

Ok now I am going to bed, since you are posting spoilers and I haven't seen it yet :nono: :tongue2:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 01:03:16 pm
You never did answer the question on Roquefort vs Limburger.

Neither. Smoked Swiss or sharp cheddar please.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 01:08:54 pm
Neither. Smoked Swiss or sharp cheddar please.

I have never even SEEN Limburger cheese.

Closest I ever came was as a kid watching Saturday morning cartoons.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 01:15:06 pm
The point that you, and so many like you miss, is that it is "us" that is electing the political class. It's not perhaps an "us" that you and others want to be a part of, but it is "us" nevertheless, in the larger sense of the word.

I don't adhere to all the farcical arguments on voter fraud and  "unfair" primaries. Hell, the people at large and the polity are so blindly disconnected from the affairs of State that neither fraud nor "unfairness" in the electoral process is needed to maintain the ruling class in power.

We are getting exactly the government that we deserve.

Your reply smacks of a vague accusation of racism. "so many like you", "not perhaps an "us" that you and others want to be part of,". If I am reading things that aren't there, I apologize. But, you really don't know me, so to characterize me and "so many like me" is foolish.

I can't recall ever complaining about stolen elections. I am generally not a conspiracy theorist. I don't have tin foil hats, I don't visit stormfront, and I'm pretty sure we don't even own white sheets.

What I am sure of, is that if you watch the political class, you'll see quite a few surprising and confusing moves. The first, most logical explanation is money. Major donors drive policy decisions, regardless of the impact on America and Americans. In order to facilitate that flow of money, it makes good sense for the political class to collude. I have no proof, other than watching what they do, and don't do. I will freely admit that I could be wrong on the collusion part, (not on major donors driving policy). But, if you observe, and connect the dots, it's easy to believe there is a cooperative element in the political class that does not serve America.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 02:06:23 pm
Your reply smacks of a vague accusation of racism. "so many like you", "not perhaps an "us" that you and others want to be part of,". If I am reading things that aren't there, I apologize. But, you really don't know me, so to characterize me and "so many like me" is foolish.

I can't recall ever complaining about stolen elections. I am generally not a conspiracy theorist. I don't have tin foil hats, I don't visit stormfront, and I'm pretty sure we don't even own white sheets.

What I am sure of, is that if you watch the political class, you'll see quite a few surprising and confusing moves. The first, most logical explanation is money. Major donors drive policy decisions, regardless of the impact on America and Americans. In order to facilitate that flow of money, it makes good sense for the political class to collude. I have no proof, other than watching what they do, and don't do. I will freely admit that I could be wrong on the collusion part, (not on major donors driving policy). But, if you observe, and connect the dots, it's easy to believe there is a cooperative element in the political class that does not serve America.

Oh Lord!

Did you really just play the race card?

Do I have to explain what I mean by every generalization lest I be accused of engaging in racism?

When did I teleport onto Daily KOS?

By saying "so many like you" I was addressing that group of people whom you identified as "those of us" and "the rest of us" in your post:

"You took a swipe at those of us who think there is little to no difference between the parties, that it's simply the political elite versus the rest of us".

If you chose to self-segregate that's fine. Just don't accuse me of engaging in racism when I address your self-segregated crowd AS a segregated crowd.

I was just making the point that those that you yourself segregated are part of the larger, unsegragated "us" who elects the "ruling" class.

I can't recall ever complaining about stolen elections. I am generally not a conspiracy theorist. I don't have tin foil hats, I don't visit stormfront, and I'm pretty sure we don't even own white sheets.

Many here, who share your same distaste for the "ruling" class do, have and theorized as such.

My fault for lumping a different set of "those of us" with your "those of us" when making the larger point that we have exactly the government that "we" (the at-large "we") voted into place.

Quit playing the race card... it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 02:23:06 pm
Quit playing the race card... it's embarrassing.

After seeing the twist it got from you, how can I resist doing so in the future?

Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 02:31:12 pm
After seeing the twist it got from you, how can I resist doing so in the future?

Barack would be proud.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 02:43:37 pm
Barack would be proud.

Now I'm the liberal?
This is so awesome. I guess I need to get a "Ready for Hillary" bumper sticker?
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 02:47:14 pm
Just an observation, guys.  Please?  It's getting beyond silly.

It reminds me of "I know you are, but what am I?". 
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 02:47:33 pm
Now I'm the liberal?
This is so awesome. I guess I need to get a "Ready for Hillary" bumper sticker?

I prefer the "Vote for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife" one myself.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 02:49:10 pm
Just an observation, guys.  Please?  It's getting beyond silly.

It reminds me of "I know you are, but what am I?".

Relax.

I rather like Relic.

He's got spunk.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 02:55:01 pm
Relax.

I rather like Relic.

He's got spunk.

We're good. No animosity here.

I've learned a long time ago that communicating this way is hugely flawed.

Lou Grant: "You've got spunk. I hate spunk."
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 02:56:26 pm
I prefer the "Vote for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife" one myself.

You know that by the time the 2016 campaign rolls around, the social and economic climates are going to unrecognizable if compared to the current state of affairs.   Today will seem like Utopia.  I don't see how the Federal Reserve can sustain this multi-Billion dollar injection into Wall Street to keep long term rates low.   As it is, real estate sales have slumped despite below 5% 30 year fixed rates.

IMO, Hillary is going to campaign on the visual that "we're going back to "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow!" 

Elect me and 'you're' giving Bill Clinton a 3rd and possibly 4th term.

And like it not, Bubba is an iconic 'rock star' to the generation in charge at the time.
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 02:57:22 pm
Relax.

I rather like Relic.

He's got spunk.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: DCPatriot on May 20, 2014, 02:58:03 pm
We're good. No animosity here.

I've learned a long time ago that communicating this way is hugely flawed.

Lou Grant: "You've got spunk. I hate spunk."

Great to read that, Relic.

I'm crazy about the both of you.   :beer:
Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 20, 2014, 04:08:47 pm
Great to read that, Relic.

I'm crazy about the both of you.   :beer:

Excerpted from "The Life of Abraham Lincoln" by Henry Ketcham
Chapter XXXIV - Lincoln and Grant

Prominence always brings envy, fault-finding, hostility. From this Grant did not escape. The more brilliant and uniform his successes, the more clamorous a certain class of people became. The more strictly he attended to his soldierly duties, the more busily certain people tried to interfere,–to tell him how to do, or how not to do. In their self- appointed censorship they even besieged the President and made life a burden to him. With wit and unfailing good nature, he turned their criticisms. When they argued that Grant could not possibly be a good soldier, he replied, “I like him; he fights.”

Title: Re: Harry Reid: Vote to Amend U.S. Constitution to Limit Political Speech
Post by: Relic on May 20, 2014, 06:35:57 pm
Excerpted from "The Life of Abraham Lincoln" by Henry Ketcham
Chapter XXXIV - Lincoln and Grant

Prominence always brings envy, fault-finding, hostility. From this Grant did not escape. The more brilliant and uniform his successes, the more clamorous a certain class of people became. The more strictly he attended to his soldierly duties, the more busily certain people tried to interfere,–to tell him how to do, or how not to do. In their self- appointed censorship they even besieged the President and made life a burden to him. With wit and unfailing good nature, he turned their criticisms. When they argued that Grant could not possibly be a good soldier, he replied, “I like him; he fights.”

Good to know that according to Hank Ketcham, Lincoln didn't see Grant as a menace.
(Sorry couldn't resist).