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Title: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 12:51:39 am
Decision to strike Syria
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 12:55:41 am
Here we go

Godspeed to all heading into danger...my prayers are with you
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 12:56:54 am
Thanks for the breaking news update. Egads.
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Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:02:33 am
(http://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-syria-tweets.jpg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:03:55 am
(https://i.elitestatic.com/content/uploads/2017/05/08121800/Trump-Syria-tweet-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:04:16 am

Phil Elliott
‏Verified account @Philip_Elliott
26s27 seconds ago

The President announces combined military operation with France and UK against "Syrian Dictator" Assad.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:04:26 am
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Mod5 on April 14, 2018, 01:04:37 am
It's starting now!  Posts stories here....
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Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:05:03 am
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 01:05:07 am

@AbaraXas

Now that warfare is underway, I'd hope you would temper your comments so that we are a united front.......
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:05:13 am

Oliver Darcy
‏Verified account @oliverdarcy
2m2 minutes ago

Trump says he has ordered military to launch strikes on Syria.
3 replies 20 retweets 10 likes


Oliver Darcy
‏Verified account @oliverdarcy
23s23 seconds ago

Trump calls the chemical attacks "crimes of a monster"
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:06:41 am


Tweets

    Rick Folbaum
    ‏Verified account @RickFolbaum
    38s38 seconds ago

Trump to Russia and Iran:  What kind of a nation wants to be associated with a mass murderer of innocent men, women and children?  @CBSMiami
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:07:23 am

Now that warfare is underway, I'd hope you would temper your comments so that we are a united front.......

Maybe when war is declared Constitutionally.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:08:38 am
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 01:08:55 am
:2popcorn:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:10:22 am
Some say, whether Bush, Al Gore, whomever is in power, Obama, look at Libya, that beyond them, is who is truly controlling things.  That was the Shadow Government. Sometimes I think we just need massive amounts of troops to take care of that whole troubled area.

Chemical weapons are a trip wire, wmd...

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:11:14 am
Reports of blasts in Damascus
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Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 01:11:15 am
Maybe when war is declared Constitutionally.

Agreed.  OTOH....Though this action may not be wise, it is time to rally behind our military, and give them our support.  Even if that means tempering our criticism of the CIC.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:11:20 am
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President has the right, this has been drilled into the news all day, of course, your going to find some jackass we've never heard of to say this.

Also, please reduce the size of this stuff for everyone.

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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 01:11:25 am
I am very pleased France and Great Britain are joining us in this action.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:12:27 am
Fox News, loud explosions in Damascus.
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Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 01:12:32 am
I think Trump is making a major mistake here.  Rule of thumb.... if morons like Little Lindsay Graham want you to do something, you really should either not do it or do the opposite.  Graham was also involved in crafting a bill to "protect" that snake Mueller if Trump were to fire him. 

This is a huge error on Trump's part, IMO.
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Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:12:35 am

Jacob Wohl
‏Verified account @JacobAWohl
4m4 minutes ago

REPORTS: US Tomahawk Missiles just hit their targets in Damascus, Syria
7 replies 129 retweets 126 likes
Josh Kraushaar Retweeted
Trey Yingst
‏Verified account @TreyYingst
1m1 minute ago

BREAKING: Large explosions heard in the Syrian capital of Damascus
0 replies 12 retweets 4 likes
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 01:12:50 am
Washington (CNN)  President Donald Trump announced on Friday he ordered strikes on the Syrian regime in response for a chemical weapon attack last weekend.

"I ordered the United States armed forces to launch precision strikes on targets associated with the chemical weapon capabilities of Syrian dictator of Bashar al-Assad," Trump said from the White House Diplomatic Room.

Trump said the strikes were in coordination with France and the United Kingdom.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/13/politics/trump-us-syria/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/13/politics/trump-us-syria/index.html)
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:13:25 am
Bush almost went into Syria, that's historic record. I thought we were fighting against Al Qaeda and many say Assad was involved with Al Qaeda, I thought we were fighting Al Qaeda, fighting terrorism.
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Post by: 240B on April 14, 2018, 01:13:31 am
Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria
President Trump on Friday announced that he has approved military strikes in Syria against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
The announcement follows a suspected chemical gas attack from the Assad regime on a rebel-held town near the Syrian capital last weekend.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/13/trump-announces-u-s-military-strikes-in-syria.html
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 01:14:10 am
 
Dennis Miller
‏Verified account @DennisDMZ
6m6 minutes ago

Before the day is over the Left will be telling you Assad is Pope John the 23rd and Trump is evil for going after him.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:14:41 am
Assad, the Iranians, even terrorists, killed American soldiers, coalition soldiers, there is even good reason to think Syria did not really fight ISIS or fight them much, same for Russia,  they only fought the rebels.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 01:18:52 am
Pentagon briefing coming up at the top of the hour.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:20:17 am
Oliver North was on Hannity last night, "when do the Russians lie", "when they move their lips", that is available at Fox News. So, let's see.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:21:32 am
We might only be hitting their 'chemical weapons facilities'....Israel hits them all the time, if Israel does it, is it that much more of a deal that we are? How about Israel hitting their nuclear plant a few years ago.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 01:22:18 am
Agreed.  OTOH....Though this action may not be wise, it is time to rally behind our military, and give them our support.  Even if that means tempering our criticism of the CIC.

Agreed, @catfish, we support our troops.

And, no one asked me or is likely to, but I'm against this action.  I'm praying this is as far as our involvement goes.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 01:22:29 am
Live link to Syrian TV


! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L1OnXJxChKs#)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 01:23:16 am
Agreed, @catfish, we support our troops.

And, no one asked me or is likely to, but I'm against this action.  I'm praying this is as far as our involvement goes.

At least... it was a coordinated strike with the UK and France, not just the US. 
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Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 01:24:20 am
At least... it was a coordinated strike with the UK and France, not just the US.

Yes, there is that.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: 240B on April 14, 2018, 01:24:53 am

BREAKING ALERT: PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCES U.S. Will Strike #Syria in Response to Syria’s Use of Chemical Weapons [VIDEO]

100% Fed Up
April 13, 2018

DEFENSE SECRETARY MATTIS MENTIONED PROTECTING CIVILIANS IN SYRIA AFTER THE GAS ATTACK:

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis just made it very clear that the U.S. is NOT going to focus on the civil war in Syria but will continue to focus on defeating ISIS…

Mattis spoke before the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee and would not discuss the U.S. military strategy process.

(more)
https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-president-speaks-at-9-pm-est-u-s-will-strike-syria-in-response-to-syrias-use-of-chemical-weapons/
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Post by: Slip18 on April 14, 2018, 01:27:25 am
May God watch over our servicemen now and always.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 01:28:25 am
Agreed, @catfish, we support our troops.

And, no one asked me or is likely to, but I'm against this action.  I'm praying this is as far as our involvement goes.

I am against it too, but vitriolic rhetoric is counterproductive right now.  We are in an active war that might escalate more than we realize.
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Post by: dfwgator on April 14, 2018, 01:28:25 am
FLASHBACK: When John Kerry Said Assad Destroyed "100 Percent" of His Chemical Weapons

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/04/07/flashback-when-john-kerry-said-assad-had-destroyed-all-of-his-chemical-weapons-n2310161
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 01:30:41 am
Per Sky News, Reuters source in Damascus says scientific research facility targeted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-explosions/reuters-witness-hears-large-blasts-in-syrias-damascus-idUSKBN1HL02I (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-explosions/reuters-witness-hears-large-blasts-in-syrias-damascus-idUSKBN1HL02I)
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Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 01:33:32 am
Per Sky News, Reuters source in Damascus says scientific research facility targeted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-explosions/reuters-witness-hears-large-blasts-in-syrias-damascus-idUSKBN1HL02I (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-explosions/reuters-witness-hears-large-blasts-in-syrias-damascus-idUSKBN1HL02I)

Meaning.... chemical weapons lab (thanks, Israeli Intel!) destroyed.  Let's hope no civilians were killed in the strike.


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Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 01:34:51 am
I am against it too, but vitriolic rhetoric is counterproductive right now.  We are in an active war that might escalate more than we realize.

Would be ironic... if WWIII were started on Friday the 13th.
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Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:35:14 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatOZZeW0AASLx0.jpg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:38:46 am
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 01:38:47 am
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/13/trump-announces-u-s-military-strikes-in-syria.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/13/trump-announces-u-s-military-strikes-in-syria.html)

President Trump on Friday announced that he has approved military strikes in Syria against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The decision follows a suspected chemical gas attack from the Assad regime on a rebel-held town near the Syrian capital last weekend.

Trump's announcement immediately preceded reports of loud explosions lighting up the sky in Damascus.

The United States launched the response, along with assurance from France and the United Kingdom, Trump stated.

At least 40 people died in the attack in Douma, about 10 miles east of Damascus, and over 500 people, mostly women and children, were injured and brought to medical centers. The attack occurred amid a resumed offensive by Syrian government forces after the collapse of a truce. Syrian activists, rescuers and medics said families suffocated in their homes.

Assad's actions, Trump said, "are not the actions of a man," but "are the crimes of a monster instead."

more at link

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b46rh4-2a1g#)
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Post by: Gefn on April 14, 2018, 01:38:58 am
May God watch over our servicemen now and always.

 :amen:

 :amen: too. Praying. @Slip18 @Cyber Liberty @everyone
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 01:40:53 am
Scooter Libby is free, Bolton is dropping bombs...It's like deja vu all over again.
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Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:42:40 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatOxKaV4AEJTLt.jpg)
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 01:45:38 am
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Syrian airspace at the moment. Getting ready for something? #Syria (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw) #SyriaStrikes (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaStrikes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw) #ChemicalAttack (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChemicalAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw) @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc^tfw) pic.twitter.com/tXoj7EZ774 (https://t.co/tXoj7EZ774)</p>— Linas Kojala (@LinasKojala) April 11, 2018 (https://twitter.com/LinasKojala/status/984057731177943040?ref_src=twsrc^tfw)





There was a story either last night or today about that.  ATCs around the world were clearing the Syrian airspace.
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Post by: truth_seeker on April 14, 2018, 01:47:22 am
Maybe when war is declared Constitutionally.
So says Barbara Lee Communist. CA as well

OTOH Reagan attacked Libya without such formality
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 01:47:29 am
Sky News reporting British Tornado interdiction/strike aircraft from Akrotiri air base in Cyprus used in Syrian strikes.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/RAF_Tornado_GR4_MOD_45155233.jpg/800px-RAF_Tornado_GR4_MOD_45155233.jpg)
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 01:49:48 am
:amen: too. Praying. @Slip18 @Cyber Liberty @everyone

Thank you, @Freya.  The Syrian skies belong to our Airmen tonight, and they could use the extra Wings of prayers....
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Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 01:50:46 am
So says Barbara Lee Communist. CA as well

OTOH Reagan attacked Libya without such formality

So said Trump in 2013.

In case you didn't figure it out, for the past few days, with probably two exceptions, everything I said about this potential was just copying Trump's own words- just not attributing them until this thread when I posted screenshots.
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Post by: Idiot on April 14, 2018, 01:54:34 am
I am against it too, but vitriolic rhetoric is counterproductive right now.  We are in an active war that might escalate more than we realize.
Yeah I know I'll sleep well tonight knowing my bed is 5 miles from where nuclear weapons are stored.  Here's praying we don't take out any Russian citizens by accident.

I'm with you....I'm not for this.
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Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 02:01:16 am
I do not think Russia and Iran are going to take this one sitting down if their rhetoric in the last few weeks has any worth among those they preach to.  What confirmation do we have that it was indeed Assad that gassed these people and not ISIS or other Caliphate wannabes?

Why would Trump want to grant Obama's biggest wish in toppling Assad?

It will be interesting to see if a debtor nation such as ours that has deficit spent itself into trillions in debt, with open boarders and having ignited a trade war with China can maintain an response status as world policeman.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:03:06 am
Trump may well know more than he did when he ran, a lot of us knew Russia and Syria too, weren't fighting ISIS too much.  He seemed to think, like a lot of people, they were. Russia and Syria have mainly been fighting Rebels, playing sides against each other.
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:03:14 am
Yeah I know I'll sleep well tonight knowing my bed is 5 miles from where nuclear weapons are stored.  Here's praying we don't take out any Russian citizens by accident.

I'm with you....I'm not for this.


They made similar bellicose statements in the run up to last year’s strike.  The Syrians have moved anything important to them to the Khmeimim Air Base and other Russian facilities in Latakia and Tartus.  Unless they directly engage us, there won’t be anything but words.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-intelligence/syria-repositions-air-assets-as-trump-hints-at-war-idUSKBN1HI2PN?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-intelligence/syria-repositions-air-assets-as-trump-hints-at-war-idUSKBN1HI2PN?il=0)
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:04:03 am
Yeah I know I'll sleep well tonight knowing my bed is 5 miles from where nuclear weapons are stored.  Here's praying we don't take out any Russian citizens by accident.

I'm with you....I'm not for this.

I would hope Putin is not thirsty enough for WW3 to fight it over Syria.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:05:14 am
The alt-right, who has some who love guys like Assad, are soiling their trousers tonight.   :thud:
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 02:06:27 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373581528405905408

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!
4:02 PM - 30 Aug 2013


Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
47 minutes ago

"Chemical weapons" - when "WMDs" just ain't so believable anymore.


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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:10:48 am
I would hope Putin is not thirsty enough for WW3 to fight it over Syria.


Probably not, but he’ll definitely use the fact that three big NATO countries were involved to stoke nationalist fervor.
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:14:34 am
The U.S. is reportedly conducting precision strikes with B1 bombers. At least two structures have been hit, according to reports.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/blasts-reported-syria-trump-launches-attack-monster-assad/
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:14:53 am
It almost sounds like it's over, strike the air bases and some potential factories....and that's all. Told the Russians we were going to so they wouldn't be in the way.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Victoria33 on April 14, 2018, 02:17:46 am
This update at 9:00 pm from pentagon says it is over.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:18:06 am

Probably not, but he’ll definitely use the fact that three big NATO countries were involved to stoke nationalist fervor.


I have no doubt of that.  It goes well with telling everybody to stock way up on peanut butter and crackers.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:19:20 am
This update at 9:00 pm from pentagon says it is over.

I usually don't fully believe the military at times like this, but I think you're right.  This is it.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:20:25 am
Tom Cotton:

Five years later, I'm glad we have a president who took my & Mike Pompeo's advice.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/984966457757970432
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Post by: Gefn on April 14, 2018, 02:23:14 am
[ :flag:quote author=Cyber Liberty link=topic=312044.msg1657951#msg1657951 date=1523670588]
Thank you, @Freya.  The Syrian skies belong to our Airmen tonight, and they could use the extra Wings of prayers....
[/quote]

I believe G-d listens to children and elders first along with animals.

G-d bless our airmen,  :patriot:
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:24:18 am
Tom Cotton:

Five years later, I'm glad we have a president who took my & Mike Pompeo's advice.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/984966457757970432

I wouldn't call the reception he got from TwitterWorld "warm and friendly."
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:25:07 am
Mattis says to expect a disinformation campaign from the opposition in the wake of the strike.  They’re probably propping up the signs, as we speak....


(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/ejgUSim.wUur6ZLc9F_B2g--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz02MTM-/http://pastdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Desert-Storm-Baby-Milk-Plant-resize.jpg.cf.jpg)
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:26:40 am
I wouldn't call the reception he got from TwitterWorld "warm and friendly."

Like I said, the alt-right-ers are all upset. Snowflakes.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 02:27:13 am
This update at 9:00 pm from pentagon says it is over.

If that's all there is, then good. (without Congress at least). What is concerning is the promise in the speech of 'sustained response until it is over' yet no mention of going to Congress.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 02:27:35 am
I wouldn't call the reception he got from TwitterWorld "warm and friendly."

Even freepville isn't happy.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Victoria33 on April 14, 2018, 02:28:40 am
Pentagon military said it is a one shot deal, not sustained.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:30:10 am
If that's all there is, then good. (without Congress at least). What is concerning is the promise in the speech of 'sustained response until it is over' yet no mention of going to Congress.

It's pan-dimensional Chess, so we'll have to wait until yesterday to find out...maybe even until last week. :pondering:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:31:45 am
Pentagon military said it is a one shot deal, not sustained.

That should be all it needs.  It's up to the others to make something out of it, and I just don't see the Russians going to war over Syria.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:32:40 am
Word... 'missiles are coming'...

(http://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/CONL74vUAAAJUI-1.jpg)
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Post by: 240B on April 14, 2018, 02:32:48 am
What war in Syria looks like.
(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/chemicalweapons.jpg?itok=7LSDRdYf)
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 02:33:01 am
Agreed.  OTOH....Though this action may not be wise, it is time to rally behind our military, and give them our support.  Even if that means tempering our criticism of the CIC.


Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
38 minutes ago

Predictably, America's foreign policy mavens are uniting to praise Trump. The most vivid reflection of the sickness of US political culture is how easy it is to get its elites to switch from "he's a maniacal monster with dementia" to "I'm behind our Leader": just bomb someone
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:36:53 am

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
38 minutes ago

Predictably, America's foreign policy mavens are uniting to praise Trump. The most vivid reflection of the sickness of US political culture is how easy it is to get its elites to switch from "he's a maniacal monster with dementia" to "I'm behind our Leader": just bomb someone

Glen Greenwald, thanks so much, I want to know what he thinks.

Quote
Unclaimed Territory and Salon

In October 2005, he began his blog Unclaimed Territory focusing on the investigation pertaining to the Plame affair, the CIA leak grand jury investigation, the federal indictment of Scooter Libby and the NSA warrantless surveillance (2001–07) controversy. In April 2006, the blog received the 2005 Koufax Award for "Best New Blog".[9]

In February 2007, Greenwald became a contributing writer for the Salon website, and the new column and blog superseded Unclaimed Territory, although Salon prominently features hyperlinks to it in Greenwald's dedicated biographical section.[16][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:38:49 am
Russia says Britain helped fake Syria chemical attack, calls for emergency UN meeting to 'avert danger of war'

In a televised briefing on Friday, Russia's Ministry of Defence repeated the Kremlin's stance that the attack was faked, adding that it had proof that Britain participated in its staging.

"We have … evidence that proves Britain was directly involved in organising this provocation," defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.

Mr Konashenkov said that Russia knew "for sure" that between April 3 and April 6, the White Helmets — a group which helps civilians in opposition-held territory in Syria — were "under severe pressure specifically from London to produce as quickly as possible this pre-planned provocation".



http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-13/russia-says-syria-chemical-attack-staged/9657314 (http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-13/russia-says-syria-chemical-attack-staged/9657314)



 *****rollingeyes*****
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 02:40:05 am

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
38 minutes ago

Predictably, America's foreign policy mavens are uniting to praise Trump. The most vivid reflection of the sickness of US political culture is how easy it is to get its elites to switch from "he's a maniacal monster with dementia" to "I'm behind our Leader": just bomb someone

They'll be back to "Maniacal monster" mode in no time at all.  Probably by Sunday morning, so the Monday morning water cooler talk will be all about how effed up Trump is as a person.  Relax.
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Post by: truth_seeker on April 14, 2018, 02:41:04 am
So said Trump in 2013.

In case you didn't figure it out, for the past few days, with probably two exceptions, everything I said about this potential was just copying Trump's own words- just not attributing them until this thread when I posted screenshots.

I noticed. As Social Media Advisor at GOPBR aka TBR, I noticed you are obsessed with your anti-Trump "gotcha" game & pursuits.

2018-2013=5 years.

BTW Nan Pelosi joined Barbara Lee; your policy-mates


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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 02:42:52 am
Glen Greenwald, thanks so much, I want to know what he thinks.

I care less about who is the source and more about the message.


Atrios@Atrios
1 hour ago

i thought trump was a crazed madman until he declared war against another state and then I thought "good man"
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 02:44:53 am
Looks pretty targeted ...

(https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_15/2398731/180413-damascus-sky-syria-attack-ac-1014p_d475f59ac615456a5a435d37997389b3.focal-1000x500.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatOxKaV4AEJTLt.jpg)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:47:00 am
Can we get a proclamation declaring April 13th ‘Soon Or Not So Soon At All’ Day?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:49:57 am
(http://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_large/public/images/conflict-syria-amap-april_12_1024.png)
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-announces-precision-strikes-syria-234653474 (http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-announces-precision-strikes-syria-234653474)
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 02:50:18 am
Quote
Josh Caplan ‏ @joshdcaplan 17m17 minutes ago
 BREAKING: Third wave of U.S.-led airstrikes hitting Qutaifah military base, north of Damascus - @arturaskerelis 

Quote
Partisangirl 🇸🇾 ‏ Verified account @Partisangirl 8m8 minutes ago
 #Damascus lights turned off full blackout. To lower Us target visibility #Syria 
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Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 02:53:10 am
As Social Media Advisor at GOPBR aka TBR,



(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iPPDi6ZMwpY/Udt46bbFG7I/AAAAAAAAUYc/iwB7yhPKK7I/s1600/barney-fife.jpg)

Social Media Advisor at GOPBR


Uh ohhh....were all skeered now!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: WilliamVA on April 14, 2018, 02:54:37 am
Can we get a proclamation declaring April 13th ‘Soon Or Not So Soon At All’ Day?

or "Surprise!!  not a single leak"   Boom!!!
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:54:39 am
Syria has hardly been able to shoot down Israeli missiles, they probably didn't get many if any of these.

(https://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2018/04/AP_18104064445262.sized-770x415xc.jpg)
https://pjmedia.com/trending/blasts-reported-syria-trump-launches-attack-monster-assad/
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 02:55:14 am
Quote
Local Sources: the US airstrikes targeted Hezbollah headquarters in Quseir, countryside of Homs

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/14-april-local-sources-the-us-airstrikes-targeted-hezbollah


Quote
REPORTS THAT HEZBOLLAH HQS IN AL-QUSAYR HAS BEEN BY US TOMAHAWK MISSILES تحيا الثورة أنقذوا درعا @VivaRevolt

Two birds, one stone.   ^-^
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 02:57:26 am
https://twitter.com/exjon/status/984969269816377344

jon gabriel @exjon

If any cable nets need a #Syria expert, I'll be through reading the Wikipedia page in 10 min.


Phineas Fahrquar@irishspy

Sorry, that makes you overqualified for MSNBC.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 03:01:28 am
Hope our 2000 troops in that area of Syria are kept safe. The Kurdish area.
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 03:04:52 am
https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/984980480234868736

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatgjyDVwAAN8tY.jpg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 03:05:22 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Datb0ZbW4AAdPcS.jpg)


http://fox59.com/2018/04/13/russian-ambassador-to-us-warns-of-consequences-following-airstrikes-in-syria/ (http://fox59.com/2018/04/13/russian-ambassador-to-us-warns-of-consequences-following-airstrikes-in-syria/)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:11:13 am
Syria has hardly been able to shoot down Israeli missiles, they probably didn't get many if any of these.


It depends on what systems they used.  They have the Russian Buk system, which is very capable.  The Israeli Deliliah cruise missile is air launched, so it's almost 3X shorter and 6X lighter than the Tomahawk.  The biggest problem they'll have with intercepts is the heavy jamming from US platforms.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 03:12:32 am
Quote

Sky News abruptly ends segment when former head of British Armed Forces questions Syria gas attack

April 13, 2018
By Kyle Olson

General Jonathan Shaw found out what happens when you don’t stick to the pro-war script.

The former commander of British Forces in Iraq was abruptly cut off and had his segment ended on Sky News when he questioned why Syrian leader Assad would launch a gas attack on his own people.

Read more at: http://www.theamericanmirror.com/sky-news-abruptly-ends-segment-when-former-head-of-british-armed-forces-questions-syria-gas-attack/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/sky-news-abruptly-ends-segment-when-former-head-of-british-armed-forces-questions-syria-gas-attack/)

I note, following tweets and the news, some Senators have not commented on this situation in the past few days. They may have every right to do just that, they may be up for reelection.  Nothing from Rubio yet.
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:13:01 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatW9ixXkAAm1b5.jpg)


That's from Iraq, 2003 - Shock and Awe.
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 03:14:14 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvveAGviJqo#)
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 03:17:59 am

That's from Iraq, 2003 - Shock and Awe.

Well, you certainly know your wars ... at least better than the media.

Thanks... I've removed it.
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Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2018, 03:20:55 am
God help us all.
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:20:56 am
Well, you certainly know your wars ... at least better than the media.

Thanks... I've removed it.


No problem.  Which outlet posted that?  I only recognized it because it was shown almost as much as 'mission accomplished' back then.
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Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 03:25:36 am
Russia's U.S. ambassador warns of consequences for Syria strikes


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia's ambassador to the United States on Friday warned that there would be consequences for the U.S.-led military strikes on Syria, adding that it was not acceptable to insult Russia's president.

"A pre-designed scenario is being implemented," Russian Ambassador Anatoly Antonov said on Twitter. "Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences."



Oh terrific.  Trade war.  Trillion dollar deficit spending.  World War III. 

Is this supposedly MAGA?  Bomb the shit out of a country we have no business in; questionable intel over who supposedly gassed those people; an ally of Russia; a great big push of helping Obama's plan to rid Syria of Assad; Putin and Iran are likely not going to sit idle.

This has the portent to get much bigger, very fast. 

This tonight and gas prices already spiking up big time this week BEFORE this news.
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:27:19 am
https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/984980480234868736

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DatgjyDVwAAN8tY.jpg)



I'm going to take a wild guess the response will be cyberattacks.  That's the only thing they could do against the three participants at once.
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Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 03:29:41 am
Russia's U.S. ambassador warns of consequences for Syria strikes


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia's ambassador to the United States on Friday warned that there would be consequences for the U.S.-led military strikes on Syria, adding that it was not acceptable to insult Russia's president.

"A pre-designed scenario is being implemented," Russian Ambassador Anatoly Antonov said on Twitter. "Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-u-ambassador-warns-consequences-syria-strikes-025729892.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-u-ambassador-warns-consequences-syria-strikes-025729892.html)

The Russian Ambassador is full of crap. Making any comparison to Hitler makes him an idiot.

On the fence as far as Trump's actions here. I don't know enough of the truth about what is really going on their to have an informed opinion. It isn't clear to me why Syria is in our national interest short of containing Iran. Iran is a problem, a problem that Obama majorly made worse.
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Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 03:31:10 am


I'm going to take a wild guess the response will be cyberattacks.  That's the only thing they could do against the three participants at once.

I really doubt they want to start a cyber war of any significance. They're on the short end of the technology stick to try it.
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Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 03:33:36 am


I'm going to take a wild guess the response will be cyberattacks.  That's the only thing they could do against the three participants at once.

We are talking about Putin here.  You might be right, but no military response will give him the impression of being weak.  Hope I'm wrong though.
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 03:33:50 am


I'm going to take a wild guess the response will be cyberattacks.  That's the only thing they could do against the three participants at once.

Will we war for cyber crimes?
With two egos like Trump and Putin...anything can happen.
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 03:36:39 am
Making any comparison to Hitler makes him an idiot.

I missed the comparison.  Can you explain please?
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:38:07 am
I really doubt they want to start a cyber war of any significance. They're on the short end of the technology stick to try it.


Our tech only works with power.

Russian hackers are conducting a broad assault on the U.S. electric grid, water processing plants, air transportation facilities and other targets in rolling attacks on some of the country’s most sensitive infrastructure, U.S. government officials said Thursday.

The announcement was the first official confirmation that Russian hackers have taken aim at facilities on which hundreds of millions of Americans depend for basic services. Bloomberg News reported in July that Russian hackers had breached more than a dozen power plants in seven states, an aggressive campaign that has since expanded to dozens of states, according to a person familiar with the investigation.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-15/russian-hackers-attacking-u-s-power-grid-aviation-fbi-warns (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-15/russian-hackers-attacking-u-s-power-grid-aviation-fbi-warns)


I’m thinking it’d be something harassing and more like the October 2016 incident.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dyn_cyberattack (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dyn_cyberattack)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:52:52 am
I noticed. As Social Media Advisor at GOPBR aka TBR, I noticed you are obsessed with your anti-Trump "gotcha" game & pursuits.

2018-2013=5 years.

BTW Nan Pelosi joined Barbara Lee; your policy-mates



Well, it’s not like Trump just said one or two things about it.  He has an extensive history, saying staying out of it completely was a big priority for him.

This is quite a list and it mentions some of the implications that are still true today.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/trump-list-not-involve-in-syria/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/trump-list-not-involve-in-syria/)
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Post by: GrouchoTex on April 14, 2018, 04:45:10 am
 I am not sure about all of this.

Yes, Syria has a bad guy, Assad. The news shows us pictures of gassed children, and we hate that, so we have to do something.
I guess gas gets us more upset than shooting or burning villages.
It must, because for the past decade or so, all over Africa, kids have been forced into service, to go into village after village and burn them down, but, at least it wasn't gas.
We are , once again, picking winners and losers on the world stage.
Syria, yes. Africa, no.
Why? Who benefits?

Who takes Assad's place?
ISIS?
Many Syrian christians say that Assad protects them.

Can you honestly say that Iraq and Afghanistan are much different that before we entered into those conflicts? Saddam Hussein was once "our guy".

Is Libya without Khaddafi better. Would Benghazi come up if Khaddafi was still there?
Reagan reined him in an he became a stabilizing influence and trading partner, in what became a fairly secular country. Not any more.

Arab spring in Egypt, Mubarak replaced, and Coptic christians are killed. Would they have been before?

As bad as the reality is, the alternative may be worse.

Be careful what you wish for.....
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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 04:46:17 am
Alex Jones, a great defender of heterosexual frogs, melted down tonight.  Tons of F-Bombs so beware.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cX6b_3mWc#)

Thank G-d he's taking vitamins for stress.

First rage then tears.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMhb4I9vHWM#)

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Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2018, 04:50:34 am
I am not sure about all of this.

Yes, Syria has a bad guy, Assad. The news shows us pictures of gassed children, and we hate that, so we have to do something.
I guess gas gets us more upset than shooting or burning villages.
It must, because for the past decade or so, all over Africa, kids have been forced into service, to go into village after village and burn them down, but, at least it wasn't gas.
We are , once again, picking winners and losers on the world stage.
Syria, yes. Africa, no.
Why? Who benefits?

Who takes Assad's place?
ISIS?
Many Syrian christians say that Assad protects them.

Can you honestly say that Iraq and Afghanistan are much different that before we entered into those conflicts? Saddam Hussein was once "our guy".

Is Libya without Khaddafi better. Would Benghazi come up if Khaddafi was still there?
Reagan reined him in an he became a stabilizing influence and trading partner, in what became a fairly secular country. Not any more.

Arab spring in Egypt, Mubarak replaced, and Coptic christians are killed. Would they have been before?

As bad as the reality is, the alternative may be worse.

Be careful what you wish for.....
Good points, all.
You don't get a stable country in a multitribal region without being the meanest dog in the junkyard. That has traditionally been what works. He can't be a nice guy and retain power in that situation. I just see this as a civil problem, internal to Syria, that we should be very careful about acting on without the express invitation of the lawful government there, which happens to be Assad.
How do you destroy chemical weapons stocks without liberating the very agents you didn't want used?
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Post by: GrouchoTex on April 14, 2018, 04:53:22 am
Good points, all.

How do you destroy chemical weapons stocks without liberating the very agents you didn't want used?

Joe,I don't know.
I just have this sinking feeling that we've seen this all before, live, on CNN. It made Wolf Blitzer famous.
These things just never worked out as planned.

Granted, with history as we know now it, I am Monday morning quarterbacking.
At the time of these events, some folks in power at the time, came out with some logical arguments for engaging. Looking back, was it worth it?


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Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 04:53:54 am
Emmanuel Macron @EmmanuelMacron
1 hour ago

Dozens of men, women and children were massacred using chemical weapons in Douma on Saturday, 7 April.
The red line has been crossed.
I have therefore ordered the French armed forces to intervene.
http://www.elysee.fr/communiques-de-presse/article/press-statement-by-the-president-of-the-french-republic-on-the-intervention-of-the-french-armed-forces-in-response-to-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-syria/ (http://www.elysee.fr/communiques-de-presse/article/press-statement-by-the-president-of-the-french-republic-on-the-intervention-of-the-french-armed-forces-in-response-to-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-syria/) …

Dozens of men, women and children were massacred in Douma on Saturday, 7 April using chemical weapons, in total violation of international law and United Nations Security Council resolutions.

There is no doubt as to the facts and to the responsibility of the Syrian regime.

The red line declared by France in May 2017 has been crossed.

Tonight, I have therefore ordered the French armed forces to intervene, as part of an international operation conducted in coalition with the United States of America and the United Kingdom against the clandestine chemical weapons arsenal of the Syrian regime.

Our response has been limited to the Syrian regime’s facilities enabling the production and employment of chemical weapons.

We cannot tolerate the normalization of the employment of chemical weapons, which is an immediate danger to the Syrian people and to our collective security. That is the meaning of the initiatives constantly promoted by France at the United Nations Security Council.

France and its partners will today continue their efforts at the United Nations to enable the creation of an international mechanism to establish responsibility, prevent impunity and obstruct any temptation on the part of the Syrian regime to repeat these acts.

Since May 2017, France’s priorities in Syria have been constant: finishing the fight against Daesh, enabling humanitarian assistance to civilian populations, and triggering collective momentum to bring about a peaceful settlement of the conflict so that peace can return to Syria and to ensure the region’s stability.

I will pursue these priorities with determination in the coming days and weeks.

In accordance with Article 35, paragraph 2 of the French Constitution, Parliament will be informed and a parliamentary debate will be organized following this decision to order the intervention of our armed forces abroad.
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Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 06:07:52 am
I missed the comparison.  Can you explain please?

I believe I mixed up the Russian ambassador with another Russian official:

'Alexander Sherin, deputy head of the State Duma's defense committee, says Trump "can be called Adolf Hitler No. 2 of our time — because, you see, he even chose the time that Hitler attacked the Soviet Union."'
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Post by: montanajoe on April 14, 2018, 07:23:45 am
As an NT I'm hopeful that I will be impressed by what we actually hit... :shrug:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-british-french-air-strikes-target-syrian-chemical-capabilities/ar-AAvRrWC?li=BBnb7K (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-british-french-air-strikes-target-syrian-chemical-capabilities/ar-AAvRrWC?li=BBnb7K)
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Post by: LauraTXNM on April 14, 2018, 07:56:37 am
Tom Cotton:

Five years later, I'm glad we have a president who took my & Mike Pompeo's advice.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/984966457757970432 (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/984966457757970432)

Interesting connection to Pompeo's op-ed calling Congress to support Obama re Syria: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-should-support-obama-on-syria/2013/09/03/e0bc23be-14aa-11e3-880b-7503237cc69d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28f4429d6cd5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-should-support-obama-on-syria/2013/09/03/e0bc23be-14aa-11e3-880b-7503237cc69d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28f4429d6cd5)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 08:55:50 am
Weapons the US, UK and France used to target Syria

(CNN)The United States combined with the armed forces of the United Kingdom and France early Saturday to carry out airstrikes against the chemical weapons facilities maintained by the regime of Syria. Here are some of the weapons they used:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/syria-airstrikes-weapons-used-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/syria-airstrikes-weapons-used-intl/index.html)



The Latest: Russia: Missiles aimed at Syrian air base downed

The Russian Defense Ministry said that 12 cruise missiles have been launched at the Dumayr air base east of Damascus. It said that Syria's air defense assets have downed all of them.

The ministry said that altogether more than 100 cruise and air-to-ground missiles were launched by U.S., British and French aircraft and navy ships. It did not mention the overall number of missiles intercepted by Syrian forces.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-address-nation-syria-54459519 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-address-nation-syria-54459519)
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Post by: kevindavis007 on April 14, 2018, 09:38:55 am
So I take it the Vodka drinking slugheads haven't responded yet. I think they are too drunk to do anything military wise.
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 10:39:36 am
Syria air strikes: Live updates as US, UK and France launch military response to chemical weapons attack in Douma

Russian has warned of "consequences" to air strikes which Prime Minister Theresa May says were "essential", "right and legal"


ByNatalie Evans
Charlotte Neal
 

The UK, US and France have launched co-ordinated air strikes in Syria in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack.

US president Donald Trump announced the "combined operation" on Friday night, as Prime Minister Theresa May said there was "no practicable alternative to the use of force".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/syria-air-strikes-live-updates-12360853 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/syria-air-strikes-live-updates-12360853)
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:40:44 am
@AbaraXas

Now that warfare is underway, I'd hope you would temper your comments so that we are a united front.......

That's rich coming from you, sir.   ^-^

We've been in a civil war with the Left since November 2016.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 10:41:10 am
I might be more supportive if I didn't have the nagging feeling that this invasion is a distraction from the Mueller investigation.   

Prayers for our fighting men and women and  the innocent children who are in harm's way.

Well, if things went your way, North Korea would be threatening to nuke us and the world and we'd be watching ISIS cut the heads off of people. So, I'm not supportive of your view.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 10:41:50 am
"Wag The Dog", Maddow raises the possibility as many liberals do.
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 10:42:36 am
Official Source at Foreign Ministry: Saudi Arabia Supports U.S., Britain, France's Military Operations on Military Targets in Syria
Saturday 1439/7/28 - 2018/04/14

Riyadh, Rajab 28, 1439, Apr 14, 2018, SPA -- An official source at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's full support of U.S., Britain, France's military operations on military targets in Syria.
The source added that these military strikes came as a response to the Syrian regime's use of chemical weapons against innocent civilians, including women and children. The use of such internationally prohibited weapons is a continuation of the horrid crimes the regime has been committing for years against the Syrian people.
The source said the regime bears responsibility for these military operations in light of the international community's failure to take strict measures against the Syrian regime.
--SPA
13:26 LOCAL TIME 10:26 GMT

www.spa.gov.sa/1751973 (http://www.spa.gov.sa/1751973)
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:44:36 am
I am very pleased France and Great Britain are joining us in this action.

Amen!

And don't think this attack isn't also for the benefit of certain people in Teheran.   Make them think TWICE!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: kevindavis007 on April 14, 2018, 10:44:51 am
I actually support Trump on this.
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 10:45:43 am

Russian Military: More Than 100 Missiles Fired into Syria

Published 14 April 2018 (2 hours 26 minutes ago)

by Bruno Sgarzini
 


Brig. Gen. Ali Mayhoub said the attacks “will not deter” the Syrian military from eradicating “armed terrorists.”

The United States, United Kingdom and France fired over 100 missiles into Syria, RIA Novosti news agency reported, adding that a significant number of the missiles where intercepted.


“More than 100 cruise missiles and air-to-land missiles were fired by the US, Britain and France from the sea and air at Syrian military and civilian targets,” the Russian defense ministry told RIA Novosti.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russian-Military-More-Than-100-Missiles-Fired-into-Syria-20180414-0002.html (https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russian-Military-More-Than-100-Missiles-Fired-into-Syria-20180414-0002.html)
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:47:28 am
Agreed, @catfish, we support our troops.

And, no one asked me or is likely to, but I'm against this action.  I'm praying this is as far as our involvement goes.

I'm sure he's limiting it to chemcal weapons/stockpiles.
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 10:47:41 am
Russia responds to airstrike with harsh words but no fire

By Anton Troianovski April 14 at 5:53 AM Email the author

MOSCOW — For the past week, Russian news media speculated dramatically about the looming onset of World War III. But soon after American cruise missiles finally slammed into Syria, Moscow made it clear it did not plan to escalate on the battlefield.

Russian officials from President Vladimir Putin on down condemned the strike as an act of aggression against a sovereign state carried out on the pretext of staged chemical attack. But reading between the lines, there was a second message: The incoming cruise missiles did not cross the threshold that would provoke a military response against Western forces

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-responds-to-airstrike-with-harsh-words-but-no-fire/2018/04/14/a02ce438-3f97-11e8-955b-7d2e19b79966_story.html?utm_term=.729faa09fa5f (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-responds-to-airstrike-with-harsh-words-but-no-fire/2018/04/14/a02ce438-3f97-11e8-955b-7d2e19b79966_story.html?utm_term=.729faa09fa5f)
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:48:12 am
Yes, there is that.

Well, then somebody tell @AbaraXas  ^-^
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:49:22 am
Meaning.... chemical weapons lab (thanks, Israeli Intel!) destroyed.  Let's hope no civilians were killed in the strike.

 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:52:19 am
I do not think Russia and Iran are going to take this one sitting down if their rhetoric in the last few weeks has any worth among those they preach to.  What confirmation do we have that it was indeed Assad that gassed these people and not ISIS or other Caliphate wannabes?

Why would Trump want to grant Obama's biggest wish in toppling Assad?

It will be interesting to see if a debtor nation such as ours that has deficit spent itself into trillions in debt, with open boarders and having ignited a trade war with China can maintain an response status as world policeman.

Who in the hell said he wants to "topple Assad"?   YOU??

You look like Chicken Little, running around here.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:53:37 am
I would hope Putin is not thirsty enough for WW3 to fight it over Syria.

Well....at least it puts to rest the complete bullshit about Russian-Trump collusion.   :cool:
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 10:53:57 am
Mattis says no US losses in Syria strikes

by The Associated Press

Friday, April 13th 2018

 

WASHINGTON (AP) —Defense Secretary James Mattis says the U.S. has no reports of suffering any losses during the initial airstrikes on Syria Friday.

Mattis says "right now this is a one-time shot" but is not ruling out further attacks. President Donald Trump had said earlier that the campaign against the regime of Bashar Assad could be "sustained."

http://newschannel20.com/news/nation-world/mattis-says-no-us-losses-in-syria-strikes (http://newschannel20.com/news/nation-world/mattis-says-no-us-losses-in-syria-strikes)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:54:46 am
I usually don't fully believe the military at times like this, but I think you're right.  This is it.

You finish the popcorn, then??    :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:58:27 am
I noticed. As Social Media Advisor at GOPBR aka TBR, I noticed you are obsessed with your anti-Trump "gotcha" game & pursuits.

2018-2013=5 years.

BTW Nan Pelosi joined Barbara Lee; your policy-mates

 888high58888
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 11:00:01 am
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iPPDi6ZMwpY/Udt46bbFG7I/AAAAAAAAUYc/iwB7yhPKK7I/s1600/barney-fife.jpg)

Social Media Advisor at GOPBR


Uh ohhh....were all skeered now!!!!!!!!!!

He means @AbaraXas .....note his avatar.     How long you been here?   :laugh:
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Post by: rangerrebew on April 14, 2018, 11:01:18 am

Mattis, Dunford Detail Attacks on Syrian Chemical Arsenal

By Jim Garamone

WASHINGTON, April 13, 2018 —

U.S., British and French air and naval forces launched attacks against the Syrian government’s chemical weapon arsenal in retaliation for the use of such weapons on civilians, Defense Secretary James N. Mattis and Marine Corps Gen. Joe Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon news conference tonight.


“As the world knows, the Syrian people have suffered terribly under the prolonged brutality of the Assad regime,” the secretary said. “On April 7, the regime decided to again defy the norms of civilized people showing callous disregard for international law by using chemical weapons to murder women, children and other innocents. We and our allies find these atrocities inexcusable.”

https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1493636/mattis-dunford-detail-attacks-on-syrian-chemical-arsenal/ (https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1493636/mattis-dunford-detail-attacks-on-syrian-chemical-arsenal/)
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Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 11:04:18 am
9999hair out0000

Which means.....   you hope civilians were killed?????   

(not surprised)
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Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 11:06:59 am
He means @AbaraXas .....note his avatar.     How long you been here?   :laugh:

I don't spend my time 24/7 trying to prop up an incompetent leader 33,000 + times.  So no I might not know the inside jokes
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 11:08:44 am
Which means.....   you hope civilians were killed?????   

(not surprised)

It means nothing of the sort.

It means "shit happens".
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 11:32:03 am
It means nothing of the sort.

It means "shit happens".

I'd respond with the J.Lawrence shaking head jif meme, but your not worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: aligncare on April 14, 2018, 11:48:33 am


Well, it’s not like Trump just said one or two things about it.  He has an extensive history, saying staying out of it completely was a big priority for him.

This is quite a list and it mentions some of the implications that are still true today.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/trump-list-not-involve-in-syria/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/trump-list-not-involve-in-syria/)

Yes, but facts can change. And when they do, responsible leaders adapt and change their response to the new circumstances.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 12:14:53 pm
I don't spend my time 24/7 trying to prop up an incompetent leader 33,000 + times.  So no I might not know the inside jokes

You mean an "inside joke" like your claim that you're an "Ultra-Conservative in exile"?    **nononono*
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 12:35:21 pm
Amen!

And don't think this attack isn't also for the benefit of certain people in Teheran.   Make them think TWICE!

Agree ... and I think one of the unstated benefits of this attack is destroying the chemical stockpile before Iran turns it on Israel.

I pray the good guys were successful in this!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: driftdiver on April 14, 2018, 12:36:17 pm
A guy on Tucker Carlsons show made an interesting comment.  He said that it's not about dems or Republicans.     Its about globalists and nationalists.  In DC there are far more globalists.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 12:38:48 pm
Agree ... and I think one of the unstated benefits of this attack is destroying the chemical stockpile before Iran turns it on Israel.

I pray the good guys were successful in this!

 :patriot:
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 12:43:09 pm
Royal Air Force Tornados join Syria strikes, launching Storm Shadow missiles
ITV/UK, Apr 14, 2018

Four Royal Air Force Tornados GR4s joined the strikes against Syria, launching Storm Shadow missiles at a base 15 miles west of Homs.

The Tornado is UK's primary ground attack jet and has been used to carry out numerous air strikes in Syria and Iraq in recent years.

Set to be retired from service next year after almost four decades on operations, the Tornado, with a maximum speed of Mach 1.3, has also seen action in Libya and Afghanistan.

The main Tornado squadrons are based at RAF Marham in Norfolk, which will become the new home of the cutting-edge of the F-35 Lightning stealth fighter jets.

There are currently six of the jets based at RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus, a location some 315 miles (510km) from Syria.

Described as a "long-range deep-strike weapon" by MBDA systems, which produces the missile, the company states on its website that it is "designed to meet the demanding requirements of pre-planned attacks against high-value fixed or stationary targets".


More: http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-14/raf-tornado-syria-gr4-homs/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-14/raf-tornado-syria-gr4-homs/)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 12:57:14 pm
Yes, but facts can change. And when they do, responsible leaders adapt and change their response to the new circumstances.


Except the situation was exactly the same when he took office.  Assad was still in power, Iran and Russia were still present, and certain factions in the rebel opposition still have agendas separate from our interests.  The only fact that had changed was it was now his call to make from behind the resolute desk, instead of the armchair. 
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Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2018, 01:01:31 pm
Mark Steyn on our "allies":
Quote
In the early hours of Saturday morning, US, UK and French forces struck Bashar Assad's regime in Syria. We'll see what, if anything, comes of that.

One notes that Germany did not participate in the attacks - which is odd, considering that the most significant event in German life this last half-decade has been the arrival of millions of young, male so-called "Syrian" so-called "refugees" fleeing the chaos of "their" benighted land, and inflicting a whole lot on their Teuton hosts. On the other hand, unless I've missed a walk-back, Mutti Merkel's official position remains the more "refugees" the better. So presumably she won't be satisfied till everyone flees everywhere and settles in Germany.
link (https://www.steynonline.com/8586/the-nation-as-insoluble-problem)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2018, 01:29:18 pm
Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
50 minutes ago

A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished!

Mission Accomplished Baby!!!  I guaran-damn-ty the next time President Trump announces the US is withdrawing from Syria, Assad will NOT gas his own people in an effort to keep America engaged militarily, or distracted from the antics of the colossal moron who sits in the oval office.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Concerned on April 14, 2018, 01:29:58 pm
Sounds like this was a very targeted attack focused on facilities that develop and store chemical weapons that dealt a "severe blow" against Syria. No US (or other allied) casualties. Great job by the President and our military!!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: aligncare on April 14, 2018, 01:30:16 pm

Except the situation was exactly the same when he took office.  Assad was still in power, Iran and Russia were still present, and certain factions in the rebel opposition still have agendas separate from our interests.  The only fact that had changed was it was now his call to make from behind the resolute desk, instead of the armchair.

What changed was Assad’s brazen use of chemical weapons in defiance of international norms, as if to say FU to America and the civilized world. A surgical response becomes necessary under such flagrant defiance. Anyway, I doubt this strike will result in protracted actions by the United States, and I believe President Trump will extricate our involvement in that region as he promised.
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Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 01:31:12 pm
Interesting connection to Pompeo's op-ed calling Congress to support Obama re Syria: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-should-support-obama-on-syria/2013/09/03/e0bc23be-14aa-11e3-880b-7503237cc69d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28f4429d6cd5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-should-support-obama-on-syria/2013/09/03/e0bc23be-14aa-11e3-880b-7503237cc69d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28f4429d6cd5)

So, what do you think @LauraTXNM, should we have done this or not?
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:39:43 pm
It really does seem France took the lead in the attack on Libya and then we fell in line too and uncharacteristically, Obama got involved as well... but this is just speculation.

It seems this time again, France took a bit of a lead but that is just on the periphery.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 14, 2018, 01:46:14 pm
Mission Accomplished?  Really - I feel better, then.

From what I know, which is probably worse than nothing, I did not support this action.  Now, I pray for its success.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:50:40 pm
Quote
By Jake Miller CBS News August 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
George W. Bush "not a fan" of Syrian President Bashar al Assad

Former President George W. Bush said Friday that he is "not a fan" of Syrian President Bashar al Assad, but he refused to be "roped in" to the debate over whether the U.S. should launch a military strike on Syria.

Bush, whose controversial push for war in Iraq and Afghanistan has been cited by some as a cautionary lesson as the U.S. mulls military engagement in Syria, told Fox News, "The president's got a tough choice to make, and if he decides to use our military, he'll have the greatest military ever backing him up."

Asked to reflect on his own dealings with Assad during his tenure in office, Bush said he's "not a fan" of the Syrian dictator: "He's an ally of Iran and he's made mischief."

More: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-w-bush-not-a-fan-of-syrian-president-bashar-al-assad/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-w-bush-not-a-fan-of-syrian-president-bashar-al-assad/)
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Post by: driftdiver on April 14, 2018, 01:52:32 pm


Made mischief?

What this really means is the puppet masters haven't told him what to think yet.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 01:52:47 pm
I doubt this strike will result in protracted actions by the United States, and I believe President Trump will extricate our involvement in that region as he promised.

@aligncare   Agree .... Here's the part of the President's speech from last night on this very issue:  (The full transcript of the speech is at the link included)

Quote
The United States has also rebuilt our friendships across the Middle East. We have asked our partners to take greater responsibility for securing their home region, including contributing large amounts of money for the resources, equipment and all of the anti-ISIS efforts. Increased engagement from our friends, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Egypt and others can ensure that Iran does not profit from the eradication of ISIS.

America does not seek an indefinite presence in Syria under no circumstances. As other nations step up their contributions, we look forward to the day when we can bring our warriors home. And great warriors they are.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/04/13/full-transcript-of-trumps-address-on-syria-airstrikes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26a9b286e209 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/04/13/full-transcript-of-trumps-address-on-syria-airstrikes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26a9b286e209)


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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:53:46 pm
Quote
Bush vetoes Syria war plan

Julian Borger in Washington, Michael White, Ewen MacAskill in Kuwait City and Nicholas Watt

Tue 15 Apr 2003 03.30 EDT
First published on Tue 15 Apr 2003 03.30 EDT

The White House has privately ruled out suggestions that the US should go to war against Syria following its military success in Iraq, and has blocked preliminary planning for such a campaign in the Pentagon, the Guardian learned yesterday.

In the past few weeks, the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, ordered contingency plans for a war on Syria to be reviewed following the fall of Baghdad.

Meanwhile, his undersecretary for policy, Doug Feith, and William Luti, the head of the Pentagon's office of special plans, were asked to put together a briefing paper on the case for war against Syria, outlining its role in supplying weapons to Saddam Hussein, its links with Middle East terrorist groups and its allegedly advanced chemical weapons programme. Mr Feith and Mr Luti were both instrumental in persuading the White House to go to war in Iraq.

Read more at: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/15/syria.usa (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/15/syria.usa)

It's pretty clear, the Bush admin saw the Assad regime as problematic as well, they, Syria, also harbored Saddam's brother for some time.
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Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 01:58:27 pm
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US Judge Rules Assad Helped Al-Qaeda Kill Americans
Home > World > Iran > US Judge Rules Assad Helped Al-Qaeda Kill Americans
By Ryan Mauro Monday, May 8, 2017

A district court judge ruled the Syrian regime — and specifically its ruler, President Bashar al-Assad — are liable for the murders of three Americans by al-Qaeda because of the regime’s massive support for the terrorist group’s branch in Iraq.

In addition to those three Americans, tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers, Iraqis and others have been killed or injured due to Assad’s sponsorship of al-Qaeda and other jihadists.

The lawsuit was filed by the families of Laurence Michael Foley, a U.S. diplomat in Jordan assassinated by al-Qaeda in 2002; Staff Sgt. Keith Matthew Maupin, killed in Iraq in 2004 and Pvt. Kristian Menchacha, who was killed in Iraq in 2006.

Read more at: https://clarionproject.org/us-judge-rules-assad-helped-al-qaeda-kill-americans/
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Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 14, 2018, 02:12:28 pm
Syria air strikes: UK confident of successful mission, says PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605)
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Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 02:21:29 pm
Sounds like this was a very targeted attack focused on facilities that develop and store chemical weapons that dealt a "severe blow" against Syria. No US (or other allied) casualties. Great job by the President and our military!!


While I was watching the Pentagon briefing by Gen. Dunford last night, a few things stood out.

1)  We didn't strike some facilities, due to high risk of collateral damage.
2)  A research facility was destroyed, resulting in lost equipment and data.
3)  Valuable precursors and a command center were destroyed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/pentagon-syria-strike-specifically-hit-targets-54461086 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/pentagon-syria-strike-specifically-hit-targets-54461086)

First, the fact some facilities remained untouched means they still have stores, precursors, production, or a combination of the three.  Also, while equipment may have been lost at the research facility, the entire WMD program can fit on a thumb drive in Assad's pocket.  They lost nothing, data-wise.  Besides, the specialized personnel are more valuable.  Finally, many precursors have dual use properties.  One of the aspects of Novichok was the fact it could be easily concealed among agricultural research and production, when the Soviets developed it.  The command center is easily rebuilt.  Competent command structure officers aren't as easily replaced.

There was about one year between the last two chemical attacks and subsequent US strikes.  Everything hit last night is easily replaced within 12 months.  From early reports, the execution was perfect.  However, the true damage won't be that severe, especially without a loss of critical personnel by the Syrians.  I suppose we can look forward to this as an annual springtime occurrence.
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Post by: 240B on April 14, 2018, 02:25:06 pm
Syria air strikes: UK confident of successful mission, says PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605)

It seems unlikely to me, that the mission could have been successful. They had several days warning that a strike was coming. Like any of us on this board, like any of us would have done, I have no doubt that whatever it is that they were doing, whatever they were working on, they evacuated the key critical components to a safe place out of the area that was bombed.

Given the numerous warnings that Trump and other Western power gave to Syria and Russia, it is like they wanted to be seen as doing something but they didn't want to actually hurt anybody. If this had been a real, serious strike, we would have never heard a single word about it until it was over.
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Post by: kevindavis007 on April 14, 2018, 02:30:07 pm
Sounds like this was a very targeted attack focused on facilities that develop and store chemical weapons that dealt a "severe blow" against Syria. No US (or other allied) casualties. Great job by the President and our military!!


and no response from the Russians.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 02:31:28 pm


Given the numerous warnings that Trump and other Western power gave to Syria and Russia, it is like they wanted to be seen as doing something but they didn't want to actually hurt anybody. If this had been a real, serious strike, we would have never heard a single word about it until it was over.

Exactly....Syria/Russia had almost a week to move anything of importance. We may have just bombed an empty building..time will tell.

Like @240B said..if you wanted to make any kind of *statement* that would hurt Assad, the bombing should have happened almost immediately after the gas attack..just my 2cents
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 02:32:20 pm
Israel has conducted dozens of strikes against Syria, Russia has called them out on the carpet for a number of those as well... per Russian warnings, this in part, could be for show.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2018, 02:56:38 pm
Sounds like this was a very targeted attack focused on facilities that develop and store chemical weapons that dealt a "severe blow" against Syria. No US (or other allied) casualties. Great job by the President and our military!!

 :amen:  I concur!

Something like this is what SHOULD have happened several years ago IMHO!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:01:08 pm

and no response from the Russians.


Not yet, anyway.   If they do anything at all, it'll be where they'd have an advantage.  Perhaps they'd start harassing Baltic states with military maneuvers, build up forces and equipment in Syria, or ramp things up with 'mercenaries' in places like Ukraine.  It likely wouldn't begin with a direct confrontation.  If it ever did come to that, keep this in mind from a couple weeks ago....

CHINA MILITARY TELLS RUSSIA 'WE'VE COME TO SUPPORT YOU' AGAINST U.S.

BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 4/3/18 AT 12:14 PM

China's military leadership has pledged its support to Russia as tensions between Moscow and the West further deteriorate into diplomatic isolation, economic sanctions and dueling defense drills.

In his first visit to Russia, newly appointed Chinese Defense Minister Wei Feng attended the seventh Moscow International Security Conference accompanied by a delegation of other high-level military officials. Emphasizing that his trip was coordinated directly with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Wei said that he had two major messages for Russia at a time when both nations were attempting to modernize their armed forces and strengthen their hands in global affairs in spite of U.S. fears.


http://www.newsweek.com/china-military-tells-russia-weve-come-support-you-against-us-870070 (http://www.newsweek.com/china-military-tells-russia-weve-come-support-you-against-us-870070)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 03:22:24 pm
Exactly....Syria/Russia had almost a week to move anything of importance. We may have just bombed an empty building..time will tell.

Like @240B said..if you wanted to make any kind of *statement* that would hurt Assad, the bombing should have happened almost immediately after the gas attack..just my 2cents

Well hey.... at least this time we didn't give them three months to clean up the sites, like we gave Saddam.  Only a week?  That's making them hustle! 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 14, 2018, 03:25:34 pm
Syria air strikes: UK confident of successful mission, says PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43763605)

Operation Desert Stormy is over already? That was fast.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 03:26:18 pm
Well hey.... at least this time we didn't give them three months to clean up the sites, like we gave Saddam.  Only a week?  That's making them hustle!

Primary goal, I'm sure, was to give Putin time to get his naval vessels and troops/advisors to safety.

You can be sure that they had 24/7 orbital cameras on Syria to make sure they could track movements of chemical weapons, etc..
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 03:27:20 pm
Operation Desert Stormy is over already? That was fast.

.....and how does that make you feel?  {{{pen in hand with writing pad}}}    :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 03:31:09 pm
Primary goal, I'm sure, was to give Putin time to get his naval vessels and troops/advisors to safety.

You can be sure that they had 24/7 orbital cameras on Syria to make sure they could track movements of chemical weapons, etc..

So....another Kabuki show? 

Figures.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:32:12 pm
Primary goal, I'm sure, was to give Putin time to get his naval vessels and troops/advisors to safety.


Why would any Russian personnel be in or near the facilities hit in the strike?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 03:36:21 pm

Why would any Russian personnel be in or near the facilities hit in the strike?

Lol!  You forgot the sarc tag.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 03:40:14 pm
We've been bombing terrorists in Syria since Obama's 2nd term. Why are some whining about it now?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 03:42:16 pm
Armada of US ships nearby too.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/13/armada-of-us-warships-steaming-toward-middle-east/
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 03:51:27 pm
So....another Kabuki show? 

Figures.

They went after the chemical weapons facilities.  They weren't going there to start WWIII.

How much you wanna bet Assad won't dare pull any stunt like this again.     Kabuki show........      **nononono*
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 03:52:17 pm
We've been bombing terrorists in Syria since Obama's 2nd term. Why are some whining about it now?

Who is whining, @TomSea?  I do see some, myself included, questioning the wisdom of getting further involved in a middle eastern civil war. 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 03:54:16 pm

Why would any Russian personnel be in or near the facilities hit in the strike?

'Advisor' capacity?

But they sure did rapidly get all their ships out of the port/harbors.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 03:54:39 pm
Who is whining, @TomSea?  I do see some, myself included, questioning the wisdom of getting further involved in a middle eastern civil war.

Neither the US, Great Britain nor France are any more involved in a middle eastern civil war than they were on Thursday.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 03:55:28 pm
'Advisor' capacity?

But they sure did rapidly get all their ships out of the port/harbors.

A reassuring sign that no one wants to start WWIII.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 03:55:44 pm
We've been bombing terrorists in Syria since Obama's 2nd term. Why are some whining about it now?

Awww....maybe they're ticked off that this POTUS means business?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 03:55:50 pm
They went after the chemical weapons facilities.  They weren't going there to start WWIII.

How much you wanna bet Assad won't dare pull any stunt like this again.     Kabuki show........      **nononono*

If it's true that we gave them a week's notice to get their ducks in a row (ie Kabuki show).... then I would bet that Assad will pull another stunt, and another.  What, exactly, is really stopping him?   :shrug:

The only thing that would stop him is for us to go in and destroy those chemical labs and chemicals without prior notice or warning.  Right?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 03:55:56 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/08/trump-warns-assad-big-price-to-pay-for-fatal-syria-attack.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/08/trump-warns-assad-big-price-to-pay-for-fatal-syria-attack.html)

Apparently, the 'big price' for this chemical attack by Syria will be paid by us.  The AGM-158 JASSM is is just over $1M per unit and the Block IV Tomahawk is $1.8M, plus the added cost of operations.  Good news if you own Lockheed and Raytheon shares.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 14, 2018, 03:56:12 pm
We've been bombing terrorists in Syria since Obama's 2nd term. Why are some whining about it now?

If we have been doing it that long, I think that answers your own question.
It does bring up others:

How long is too long?
What, or who, determines what is long enough?
What are we trying to achieve, and why?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 03:58:00 pm
Who is whining, @TomSea?  I do see some, myself included, questioning the wisdom of getting further involved in a middle eastern civil war.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312132.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312132.0.html)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-missile-attacks-on-syria-are-illegal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-missile-attacks-on-syria-are-illegal)

As a number of voices out there. You shouldn't think people are always talking about you.

@Sanguine
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 03:58:08 pm
Awww....maybe they're ticked off that this POTUS means business?

But... wouldn't "meaning business" have been going in immediately and destroying the chemical labs?  Just sayin/askin....

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 03:59:00 pm
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312132.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312132.0.html)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-missile-attacks-on-syria-are-illegal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-missile-attacks-on-syria-are-illegal)

As a number of voices out there. You shouldn't think people are always talking about you.

@Sanguine

You misread my question, Tom.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 03:59:09 pm
If it's true that we gave them a week's notice to get their ducks in a row (ie Kabuki show).... then I would bet that Assad will pull another stunt, and another.  What, exactly, is really stopping him?   :shrug:

The only thing that would stop him is for us to go in and destroy those chemical labs and chemicals without prior notice or warning.  Right?

Exactly my point
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:00:42 pm
'Advisor' capacity?

But they sure did rapidly get all their ships out of the port/harbors.


Of course they did.  What better way to monitor our naval operations and conduct their own drills.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 04:01:49 pm
69 missiles last time, this time? What? 103 or something... so almost double but as to how significant, I think this shows we will enforce some justice here, Fox has the UN on this morning, pretty exciting.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:05:51 pm
They went after the chemical weapons facilities.  They weren't going there to start WWIII.

How much you wanna bet Assad won't dare pull any stunt like this again.     Kabuki show........      **nononono*


Considering it was 1 year after the last one that resulted in limited military action, he either didn't actually do it or he didn't care.  I don't see how last evening made a difference in meaningful consequence.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 04:09:56 pm
.....and how does that make you feel?  {{{pen in hand with writing pad}}}    :laugh:

You know people laugh at people like you who appoint themselves "honorary hall monitors" 

You are so full of sh__.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:10:36 pm
69 missiles last time, this time? What? 103 or something... so almost double...


Yes and double the defense expenditures for not much more in results.  But, hey....he's got $700B to burn, some if it discretionary.  This is exactly the kind of thing Eisenhower warned about almost six decades ago.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 04:10:47 pm
But... wouldn't "meaning business" have been going in immediately and destroying the chemical labs?  Just sayin/askin....

Maybe, just maybe, "going in immediately" would not have allowed for a coalition to strike in a coordinated attack.   
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 04:12:22 pm

Yes and double the defense expenditures for not much more in results.  But, hey....he's got $700B to burn, some if it discretionary.  This is exactly the kind of thing Eisenhower warned about almost six decades ago.

Were they all US missiles this time @edpc ?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 04:13:43 pm
Who in the hell said he wants to "topple Assad"?   YOU??

No.

Obama did.  Hillary did.

The Democrats who pined for a Caliphate after Obama's own image did.

You look like Chicken Little, running around here. 

Right.  Because laws of economics only apply to the Soviets and lesser nations.  We can just print money out of thin air and spend whatever government wants to reach prosperity right?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:18:17 pm
But... wouldn't "meaning business" have been going in immediately and destroying the chemical labs?  Just sayin/askin....

And what makes you believe they didn't destroy said labs last night?

Whether or not they were moved...isn't only on President Trump.

If he would have acted immediately, people would be screaming he didn't form any coalition.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:18:44 pm
Maybe, just maybe, "going in immediately" would not have allowed for a coalition to strike in a coordinated attack.   

Yes... but.... the goal and aim of the attack is effectiveness... ie eliminating the chemical weapons labs and threat.  If the strike is ineffective ....due to having given the perps a week to prepare.... then what's the point?   :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:19:28 pm
Were they all US missiles this time @edpc ?


If 100 were launched, I’ll bet 85-90 were US ordnance.  Plus, the added operational costs from using B-1s in this mission.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:21:05 pm
Who in the hell said he wants to "topple Assad"?   YOU??

You look like Chicken Little, running around here.  :whistle:

I'm not for "toppling" anybody.  Not our job.  I don't like Russia propping people up, either.  It creates and emboldens tyrants, who in turn attack others until they eventually end up on our shores, knocking buildings full of innocent Americans ever.

This is the usual proxy thing we have vs Russia, and their job is considerably easier.  We're trying to settle the place down, and they're trying to destabilize it.  That's far easier to do in an inherently unstable region.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:21:06 pm
You know people laugh at people like you who appoint themselves "honorary hall monitors" 

You are so full of sh__.

Wasn't playing hall monitor, 'champ'.

I was playing psychiatrist.


.....or is that "chump"?    :shrug: 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 04:21:10 pm

If 100 were launched, I’ll bet 85-90 were US ordnance.  ....

So you're guessing.

Cool.   :cool:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:22:17 pm
And what makes you believe they didn't destroy said labs last night?

Whether or not they were moved...isn't only on President Trump.

If he would have acted immediately, people would be screaming he didn't form any coalition.   :shrug:

What makes me think they probably didn't destroy the labs is past history.  When giving the enemy enough time and warning and heads up .... the strike will not be effective.  You don't give the enemy a heads up that allows them to move or relocate those weapons.  Not if you're serious about combating the threat.

I realize that Trump is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't scenario.  I'm not questioning this action to ding Trump.  I'm questioning the action for ANY leader.  It makes no sense to me.  If it takes a friggin week to get a "coalition" together for the action, perhaps it's not an action worth taking.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:22:23 pm
Maybe, just maybe, "going in immediately" would not have allowed for a coalition to strike in a coordinated attack.   

Maybe we need a box of crayons to explain it to them?    :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:23:09 pm
And what makes you believe they didn't destroy said labs last night?

Whether or not they were moved...isn't only on President Trump.

If he would have acted immediately, people would be screaming he didn't form any coalition.   :shrug:

But now the three countries in the coalition are in place and prepared.  Lead time will be shorter next time because Trump is not going to let them get flaccid like Obama did.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 04:24:02 pm
This is the usual proxy thing we have vs Russia, and their job is considerably easier.  We're trying to settle the place down, and they're trying to destabilize it.  That's far easier to do in an inherently unstable region.

Syria was not unstable until Obama tried to do his Arab Spring thing there via toppling all the secular dictators in the Middle East and replacing them with Islamists.  The Assad opposition Obama spearheaded eventually became part of ISIS.  Not to mention they were supplied with heavy weaponry out of the Benghazi consulate if reports are true.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:24:48 pm
What makes me think they probably didn't destroy the labs is past history.  When giving the enemy enough time and warning and heads up .... the strike will not be effective.  You don't give the enemy a heads up that allows them to move or relocate those weapons.  Not if you're serious about combating the threat.

I realize that Trump is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't scenario.  I'm not questioning this action to ding Trump.  I'm questioning the action for ANY leader.  It makes no sense to me.  If it takes a friggin week to get a "coalition" together for the action, perhaps it's not an action worth taking.

Gee....IMO, a week is tantamount to a 30 second timeout in the waning seconds of overtime.

Takes time to get naval ships (and all supporting equipment) in position...would imagine.    ^-^
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 04:26:47 pm
.

I was playing psychiatrist.



Good.  Add that to your list of failures.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Machiavelli on April 14, 2018, 04:27:16 pm
Syria Air Strikes Get Mixed Reaction From Hollywood & Media (http://deadline.com/2018/04/reactions-mixed-to-president-donald-trumps-syria-attacks-1202364289/)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:27:53 pm
I'm not for "toppling" anybody.  Not our job.  I don't like Russia propping people up, either.  It creates and emboldens tyrants, who in turn attack others until they eventually end up on our shores, knocking buildings full of innocent Americans ever.

This is the usual proxy thing we have vs Russia, and their job is considerably easier.  We're trying to settle the place down, and they're trying to destabilize it.  That's far easier to do in an inherently unstable region.

Nope.....IMO, Putin saw the results in Libya with Obama and he's determined not to create bedlam in Syria.

Russian needs a somewhat stable Syria if they plan on having serious influence in the region in the future.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:28:18 pm
Syria was not unstable until Obama tried to do his Arab Spring thing there via toppling all the secular dictators in the Middle East and replacing them with Islamists.  The Assad opposition Obama spearheaded eventually became part of ISIS.  Not to mention they were supplied with heavy weaponry out of the Benghazi consulate if reports are true.

I think we can agree the "Arab Spring" was probably the worst thing Obama and Hillary ever did, in terms of f foreign policy.  We knew it at the time, too, but nobody would listen to us.  What a senseless waste of human life.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:28:24 pm
So you're guessing.

Cool.   :cool:


Confidently.  I know what the French Rafale and British Tornado can carry.  Do you?


https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/syria-airstrikes-weapons-used-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/syria-airstrikes-weapons-used-intl/index.html)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:28:59 pm
Maybe we need a box of crayons to explain it to them?    :laugh:

Now see.... it's crap snark like that.... that breeds yet more animosity on the forum.

Heckuva job, DC!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 04:29:23 pm
Syria Air Strikes Get Mixed Reaction From Hollywood & Media (http://deadline.com/2018/04/reactions-mixed-to-president-donald-trumps-syria-attacks-1202364289/)

Who gives a shiite what their reactions are?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:29:41 pm
Good.  Add that to your list of failures.

Look in the mirror.

I'm not the one here with reading comprehension issues.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:30:17 pm
Nope.....IMO, Putin saw the results in Libya with Obama and he's determined not to create bedlam in Syria.

Russian needs a somewhat stable Syria if they plan on having serious influence in the region in the future.

Probably true for Syria, but not anywhere else.  For one thing, they get to partner with Iran, and that's all good as far as Russia is concerned.  I think they want Iran even more than Syria.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:30:47 pm
Now see.... it's crap snark like that.... that breeds yet more animosity on the forum.

Heckuva job, DC!

Snark??


Why don't you share that thought with the likes of @catfish1957 ?

edited to add:   I have absolutely no issues with you @XenaLee   I was speaking about the collective handwringing.

The exercise is over.  No American casualities.    :beer:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:32:14 pm
Snark??


Why don't you share that thought with the likes of @catfish1957 ?

I'm addressing you here.  It's a bit juvenile for you to point to (blame) someone else, dontcha think.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:33:55 pm
I'm addressing you here.  It's a bit juvenile for you to point to (blame) someone else, dontcha think.

I'm guilty of finding myself always under verbal assault by more than one person at a time...so EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME please for being defensive.   :patriot:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:34:55 pm
I'm guilty of finding myself always under verbal assault by more than one person at a time...so EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME please for being defensive.   :patriot:

Lol!   Now... the victim card.   Soooooo predictable.

But by all means.... do carry on.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:35:38 pm
Probably true for Syria, but not anywhere else.  For one thing, they get to partner with Iran, and that's all good as far as Russia is concerned.  I think they want Iran even more than Syria.

Of course they do.....they need seaports to the South.   And don't forget the oil........    :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 04:35:43 pm
I think we can agree the "Arab Spring" was probably the worst thing Obama and Hillary ever did, in terms of f foreign policy.  We new it at the time, too, but nobody would listen to us.  What a senseless waste of human life.

This is what we are stuck dealing with now over there.  We have no accurate way of knowing whether Assad's regime actually gassed his own people near Damascus or not.  Secular dictators are always all about themselves and the their own preservation.  Why Assad would be stupid enough to gas civvies right when Trump was going to make an exit out of there - doesn't make logical sense. Islamists like ISIS have no qualms about killing their own women and children to try and pin the blame on their enemies.

I would have given Russia carte blanch to operate in Syria and deal with ISIS themselves in order to preserve Assad as their ally, informing them that if they cannot contain ISIS there that we will be back.  We have no real strategic reason to be involved with Syria. 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:37:02 pm
Lol!   Now... the victim card.   Soooooo predictable.

But by all means.... do carry on.

Were you portraying the "victim" when you cried that I was giving YOU snark? (when it wasn't directed at you personally)    :whistle:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:37:58 pm
This is what we are stuck dealing with now over there.  We have no accurate way of knowing whether Assad's regime actually gassed his own people near Damascus or not.  Secular dictators are always all about themselves and the their own preservation.  Why Assad would be stupid enough to gas civvies right when Trump was going to make an exit out of there - doesn't make logical sense. Islamists like ISIS have no qualms about killing their own women and children to try and pin the blame on their enemies.

I would have given Russia carte blanch to operate in Syria and deal with ISIS themselves in order to preserve Assad as their ally, informing them that if they cannot contain ISIS there that we will be back.  We have no real strategic reason to be involved with Syria.

Except that.... Russia is our real enemy there, and cannot be trusted.... proven over and over again.  Hell, it was Russia that assisted Saddam in moving their WMDs out of Iraq to Syria in the first damned place.  But... that's a whole nuther can of worms thread....lol.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:38:30 pm
Of course they do.....they need seaports to the South.   And don't forget the oil........    :laugh:

And other important minerals. 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 04:39:04 pm
If Syria uses toxic gas again, U.S. 'locked and loaded': U.N. envoy Haley

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States is "locked and loaded" to strike again if Syria's President Bashar al-Assad's government again uses chemical weapons, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley told the Security Council on Saturday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews (https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:39:52 pm
Were you portraying the "victim" when you cried that I was giving YOU snark? (when it wasn't directed at you personally)    :whistle:

I didn't take it personally.  I never do.  I was just remarking re: how/why the forum usually devolves into a smelly food-fight when you're around.   :tongue2:  :smokin: :nono:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:40:43 pm
If Syria uses toxic gas again, U.S. 'locked and loaded': U.N. envoy Haley

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States is "locked and loaded" to strike again if Syria's President Bashar al-Assad's government again uses chemical weapons, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley told the Security Council on Saturday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews (https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews)

IOW.....it won't take a "week" in the future.

@XenaLee @mystery-ak
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Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:42:43 pm
I didn't take it personally.  I never do.  I was just remarking re: how/why the forum usually devolves into a smelly food-fight when you're around.   :tongue2:  :smokin: :nono:

Yeah....if the likes of me and @Right_in_Virginia weren't around, this place would be SOOOOO much more interesting.    *****rollingeyes*****

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:43:00 pm
If Syria uses toxic gas again, U.S. 'locked and loaded': U.N. envoy Haley

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States is "locked and loaded" to strike again if Syria's President Bashar al-Assad's government again uses chemical weapons, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley told the Security Council on Saturday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews (https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-uses-toxic-gas-again-u-locked-loaded-154003633.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews)

And the patently obvious reality to that is.... the US can't and won't stay "locked and loaded" forever.  That takes money and resources we can ill afford, despite how the spendaholics in DC behave and think.   Anyone wanting to use chemical weapons in Syria again will obviously wait...

until the US "relaxes" that ready stance. 

(obligatory "duh" here)
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:43:33 pm
I'm guilty of finding myself always under verbal assault by more than one person at a time...so EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME please for being defensive.   :patriot:

Everybody gets defensive with the level of snark I've seen being tossed around here like manhole covers.  I don't hold that against anybody today, especially my old friends (like you).  Carry on, friend, I've known you for too long!  :beer:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:43:38 pm
I didn't take it personally.  I never do.  I was just remarking re: how/why the forum usually devolves into a smelly food-fight when you're around.   :tongue2:  :smokin: :nono:

So...you admit that you were compelled to remark, thereby starting shit?

Thanks for playing.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:44:13 pm
Yeah....if the likes of me and @Right_in_Virginia weren't around, this place would be SOOOOO much more interesting.    *****rollingeyes*****

Oh...so... now you're implying that we are boring????  Harumph!   22222frying pan
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:44:19 pm
Everybody gets defensive with the level of snark I've seen being tossed around here like manhole covers.  I don't hold that against anybody today, especially my old friends (like you).  Carry on, friend, I've known you for too long!  :beer:

Thanks buddy.....had more patience 10 years ago.   Not anymore.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 04:44:53 pm
Oh...so... now you're implying that we are boring????  Harumph!   22222frying pan

 :laugh:

You?   Never.   
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:45:17 pm
So...you admit that you were compelled to remark, thereby starting shit?

Thanks for playing.   :laugh:

Well....

somebody had to say it!    :whistle:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 04:45:54 pm
Except that.... Russia is our real enemy there, and cannot be trusted.... proven over and over again.  Hell, it was Russia that assisted Saddam in moving their WMDs out of Iraq to Syria in the first damned place.  But... that's a whole nuther can of worms thread....lol.

I didn't say anything about 'trusting Russia'.  However, Assad is their puppet - and preserving him means they have to help him put down ISIS, which is the only reason we have need to be there.

On top of the fact that we are BROKE, in debt to the tune of trillions and the world is beginning to move away from the US dollar as a reserve currency.  Petrol dollars in Yuan is beginning to make big moves.  We run the risk of collapsing like the Soviets did in terms of being able to maintain a projection of power.  Not to mention that critical hardware technologies that power our defense systems and the smartphone technologies we are dependent upon all come from a nation that just said they were willing to join up with Russia to thwart us.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2018, 04:46:57 pm
Thanks buddy.....had more patience 10 years ago.   Not anymore.   :shrug:

Ten years ago the country wasn't severely damaged by a rogue Muslim President.  I think a lot of patience has been worn thin.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:50:31 pm
I didn't say anything about 'trusting Russia'.  However, Assad is their puppet - and preserving him means they have to help him put down ISIS, which is the only reason we have need to be there.

On top of the fact that we are BROKE, in debt to the tune of trillions and the world is beginning to move away from the US dollar as a reserve currency.  Petrol dollars in Yuan is beginning to make big moves.  We run the risk of collapsing like the Soviets did in terms of being able to maintain a projection of power.  Not to mention that critical hardware technologies that power our defense systems and the smartphone technologies we are dependent upon all come from a nation that just said they were willing to join up with Russia to thwart us.

Well... then.... giving Russia "carte blanche" in Syria wouldn't be a good idea.  Right?

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I would have given Russia carte blanch to operate in Syria and deal with ISIS themselves ...

We have already given Russia too much wiggle room in the Middle East. They (along with Iran) are the unstablizing force, IMO.   Sure, we can't exactly stop them without a full-on (probably nuclear) war.  But acting as if they were actually doing something positive in the region is foolhardy and wrong.... and more of the same stupidity.  Just sayin....


Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 04:55:44 pm
Ten years ago the country wasn't severely damaged by a rogue Muslim President.  I think a lot of patience has been worn thin.

Bathhouse Barry damaged race relations more than any "enemy without" ever could have.  And he is still working his Soros dark magic from the sidelines.  We will probably never know the full impact of what he has done TO America.  But we know enough.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2018, 05:06:42 pm
Except that.... Russia is our real enemy there, and cannot be trusted.... proven over and over again.  Hell, it was Russia that assisted Saddam in moving their WMDs out of Iraq to Syria in the first damned place.  But... that's a whole nuther can of worms thread....lol.

 888high58888  Absolutely!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2018, 05:09:04 pm
Thanks buddy.....had more patience 10 years ago.   Not anymore.   :shrug:

Aw ... DC .... we luv ya just the same!   888heartkitty   :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: INVAR on April 14, 2018, 05:09:30 pm
Well... then.... giving Russia "carte blanche" in Syria wouldn't be a good idea.  Right?

We have no strategic interests in Syria.  Assad is Putin's bitch.  His preservation is to their benefit.  An ISIS theocracy is not.

Why wouldn't we let the Russkies do what they need to to prop up their client state?  It serves both our interests.  Ours, because we have none there except eradicating ISIS and bleeding Hezbollah and the zeal for a Caliphate.

We have already given Russia too much wiggle room in the Middle East. They (along with Iran) are the unstablizing force, IMO.   Sure, we can't exactly stop them without a full-on (probably nuclear) war.  But acting as if they were actually doing something positive in the region is foolhardy and wrong.... and more of the same stupidity.  Just sayin....

Iran and Turkey are going to be a much bigger problem for the world in the future.  The Arabs to the South already know and see this.  We cannot undo decades of stupidity there, especially the irreversible damage Obama and Hillary wrought and the stupid tidily winks played with the Palestinians and the Israelis.


Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 14, 2018, 05:17:03 pm
Thanks buddy.....had more patience 10 years ago.   Not anymore.   :shrug:

Did you lose patience because of a malpractice suit?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 05:18:35 pm
Chemical weapons are a tripwire, yes, maybe we should ask some of our regional allies to reimburse us, they have lots of money.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 05:25:35 pm
Planes, some at least, flew out from the shared base in Qatar.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2018, 05:31:34 pm
White House releases US assessment of suspected chemical attack in Syria. Read it here

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/read-white-house-assessment-of-suspected-chemical-attack-in-syria.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/read-white-house-assessment-of-suspected-chemical-attack-in-syria.html)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 05:33:12 pm
Planes, some at least, flew out from the shared base in Qatar.


That was nice of them, considering......


Countries move to prosecute Qatar for terrorism support

http://m.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/qatar/countries-move-to-prosecute-qatar-for-terrorism-support-1.2041731 (http://m.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/qatar/countries-move-to-prosecute-qatar-for-terrorism-support-1.2041731)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 14, 2018, 05:40:50 pm
This conclusion is based on descriptions of the attack in multiple media sources, the reported symptoms experienced by victims, videos and images showing two assessed barrel bombs from the attack, and reliable information indicating coordination between Syrian military officials before the attack.

The feds are relying on MSM reports? WTF type of garbage is that?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 05:44:41 pm
Did you lose patience because of a malpractice suit?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 05:48:11 pm
This conclusion is based on descriptions of the attack in multiple media sources, the reported symptoms experienced by victims, videos and images showing two assessed barrel bombs from the attack, and reliable information indicating coordination between Syrian military officials before the attack.

The feds are relying on MSM reports? WTF type of garbage is that?

Lol!   Psst!  They're on the same side....so.....
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 05:49:27 pm
The feds are relying on MSM reports? WTF type of garbage is that?


You’re missing the point of this report. Chlorine is some really dangerous shit. Next time, we will have a JDAM for every swimming pool in Syria, if they dare bomb civilians and not observe the 45 minutes after eating rule.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 05:58:32 pm
Quote
Kyle Orton
‏Verified account @KyleWOrton

Kyle Orton Retweeted Billy Bragg

Asad spent a decade assisting ISIS in Iraq, deliberately bolstered jihadists in the Syrian insurgency while murdering peaceful protesters, and let ISIS build its caliphate to force a binary choice -- the dictator or terrorists.

But sure, damaging Asad's CWMD is helping ISIS.

I think that last part is sarcasm.


Quote
Kyle Orton
‏Verified account @KyleWOrton

Kyle Orton Retweeted Anne-Marie Slaughter

Who defines this "international law"? The U.N. Security Council, a political body where two predatory dictatorships have vetoes? A group of judges in the Hague who have been hit with a sunburst of enlightenment denied to the rest of humanity?

https://twitter.com/KyleWOrton/status/985208025223979008

https://twitter.com/DrZuhdiJasser
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 06:00:37 pm
Yes, but facts can change. And when they do, responsible leaders adapt and change their response to the new circumstances.

What "facts" changed?

Not much of anything has changed in Syria since Obama wanted to bomb them. It was even for the same claimed reason.

You want it both ways. It won't play.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:04:27 pm
What "facts" changed?

Not much of anything has changed in Syria since Obama wanted to bomb them. It was even for the same claimed reason.

You want it both ways. It won't play.

Iran flies a weaponized drone into Israel, WMDs could cause mass casualties.

Also, Trump probably thought the Russians were earnestly fighting ISIS, that's a lot of people's impressions and many people say that is a false impression.  He probably thought he could actually work with them to fight terrorism.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2018, 06:05:08 pm
I'm addressing you here.  It's a bit juvenile for you to point to (blame) someone else, dontcha think.

Shades of his/her fearless leader.  Of course I'd be snippy too if I had to defend the orange fool 24/7.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2018, 06:22:44 pm
Syrian Scientific Research Centre after being hit by airstrikes  (nice shooting   :patriot: )


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8aGcX78qg#)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8aGcX78qg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8aGcX78qg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 06:27:55 pm
Iran flies a weaponized drone into Israel, WMDs could cause mass casualties.

Also, Trump probably thought the Russians were earnestly fighting ISIS, that's a lot of people's impressions and many people say that is a false impression.  He probably thought he could actually work with them to fight terrorism.

So in other words, nothing in Syria changed since Obama wanted to bomb them and Trump demanded he not bomb them for the same reason he's bombing them now.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 14, 2018, 06:28:01 pm
Lol!   Psst!  They're on the same side....so.....

Well as soon as I saw Johnny Bolton joining the team I knew it would be a matter of months until we were bombing the eff out of someone. Syria has been on Johnnies list for years so this one isn't a surprise.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:30:37 pm
So in other words, nothing in Syria changed since Obama wanted to bomb them and Trump demanded he not bomb them for the same reason he's bombing them now.

In other words, Trump wanted to work with the Russians against terrorism in Syria. Go ahead and believe nothing has changed in that as well.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: XenaLee on April 14, 2018, 06:33:03 pm

You’re missing the point of this report. Chlorine is some really dangerous shit. Next time, we will have a JDAM for every swimming pool in Syria, if they dare bomb civilians and not observe the 45 minutes after eating rule.

Yeah, but... supposedly, there was sarin gas used too.  However, the use of 'both' at the same time has never been done.  So who to believe....?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:38:23 pm
Lindsay Graham's statement:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DawiVDqVAAAP72o.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 06:39:06 pm
In other words, Trump wanted to work with the Russians against terrorism in Syria. Go ahead and believe nothing has changed in that as well.

Nothing has. The Russians lied providing cover for Assad, their ally. Anyone with a brain knew that. I don't recall Trump tweeting "give peace a chance"... He simply said it wasn't our problem and to butt out... The facts didn't change, only the guy looking for votes did.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 14, 2018, 06:40:48 pm
Lindsay Graham's statement:


I'm sure that creep was so excited bombs were dropping that his statement was sticky.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:41:04 pm
I'd have to look at exact statements, but some said Trump said "not go into Syria", a surgical strike may not qualify. Also, we are already in Syria fighting ISIS. I mean, what is the critics' point here? Not to fight terrorists? Trump also said he'd bomb the ____ out of them.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:43:26 pm
Nothing has. The Russians lied providing cover for Assad, their ally. Anyone with a brain knew that. I don't recall Trump tweeting "give peace a chance"... He simply said it wasn't our problem and to butt out... The facts didn't change, only the guy looking for votes did.

We're already in Syria. Does one not want us to fight terrorists? Trump said he was all for fighting terrorists. You just think you score on some linguistic point. We are already there, period.

Is a surgical strike going into Syria? I don't know, we are already there.

"anyone with a brain knew that", I'm not so sure the Breitbart/Infowars/SteveBannon people knew that. So, just an insult at others, I think many thought so.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 06:49:50 pm
We're already in Syria. Does one not want us to fight terrorists? Trump said he was all for fighting terrorists. You just think you score on some linguistic point. We are already there, period.

Is a surgical strike going into Syria? I don't know, we are already there.

"anyone with a brain knew that", I'm not so sure the Breitbart/Infowars/SteveBannon people knew that. So, just an insult at others, I think many thought so.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312044.msg1657872.html#msg1657872 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,312044.msg1657872.html#msg1657872)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: edpc on April 14, 2018, 06:57:30 pm
Yeah, but... supposedly, there was sarin gas used too.  However, the use of 'both' at the same time has never been done.  So who to believe....?


Exactly......who to believe.  I’m not a ‘false flag’ person, but that report, based on sourcing, can’t rule it out.  Large amounts of chlorine can be obtained from water treatment plants.  Sarin isn’t difficult to make.  The members of Aum made a crude, but lethal batch for their 1995 attacking the Tokyo subway and very little is required to kill someone.  Two important things:  What criteria will now constitute use of chemical weapons and how will we verify future attacks?  What if the Syrians used large amounts of CS gas to disperse groups or incapacitate rebels?  Technically, the bar could be lowered to make any explosives classify as ‘chemical’ munitions.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 06:58:20 pm
I'm not going to get into insulting dishonest arguments, one could easily say "Anyone with half a brain can see things have changed in Trump's perception of the situation", that Assad is gassing people, that Russia/the regime haven't been fighting ISIS that much. This same discussion has happened in this forum. If one feels the need to insult, you aren't winning your discussion and I would hope it can be discussion and not argument.

"In other words nothing has changed"... I'm sure one can talk to a wall somewhere.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 07:08:58 pm
Radio Poland:

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Polish president voices support for allied strikes on Syria

Grzegorz Siwicki 14.04.2018 19:55

Poland’s president on Saturday expressed his country’s support over punitive air strikes on Syria by combined US, UK and French forces.

Andrzej Duda said the overnight strikes “were needed” and added that “decent nations cannot allow innocent people to be killed with chemical weapons.”

"We are a member of the coalition, a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, and, of course, we back and support the actions of our allies,” Duda said.

He added that Poland had been kept informed and consulted ahead of the strikes.

Read more at: http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/358862,Polish-president-voices-support-for-allied-strikes-on-Syria (http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/358862,Polish-president-voices-support-for-allied-strikes-on-Syria)
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UN rejects Russian attempt to condemn US aggression in Syria
ABC News

The U.N. Security Council rejected a Russian resolution calling for condemnation of the "aggression" by the United States and its allies against Syria on Saturday.

The vote reflected support for the airstrikes on Syrian chemical sites but it also demonstrated again the paralysis of the U.N.'s most powerful body in dealing with the Syria conflict.

Russia's demand for condemnation and an immediate halt to "aggression" and "any further use of force" by the U.S., Britain and France got support from only two other countries on the 15-member council — China and Bolivia.

Read more at: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rejects-russian-attempt-condemn-us-aggression-syria-54471186 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rejects-russian-attempt-condemn-us-aggression-syria-54471186)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 07:19:35 pm
Excerpt:

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How the U.S. and Allies Attacked Syria
@ToluseO More stories by Toluse Olorunnipa

...

As images of sick or dying children flooded global media all week, the U.S. guided-missile destroyer USS Winston Churchill was en route to the Mediterranean to join a flotilla of allied warships, including another U.S. destroyer, the USS Donald Cook.

It was a ruse.

While both vessels carry as many as 90 Tomahawk missiles -- the main weapon used in the Friday evening strike on Syria -- neither ship in the end fired a shot. Instead, according to a person familiar with White House war planning, they were part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault Assad’s government could do little to defend itself against.

Read more at: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-14/warship-ruse-and-new-stealth-missiles-how-they-attacked-syria (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-14/warship-ruse-and-new-stealth-missiles-how-they-attacked-syria)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: GtHawk on April 14, 2018, 07:19:39 pm
Did you lose patience because of a malpractice suit?
****drummer
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 14, 2018, 07:21:43 pm
****drummer

I'm here every Friday and Saturday. Don't forget to tip your waitress on your way out.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: GtHawk on April 14, 2018, 07:36:42 pm
I'm here every Friday and Saturday. Don't forget to tip your waitress on your way out.
Now I'm confused, from anyone else I would have no problem with that statement, but from you...............(http://i65.tinypic.com/zsqkg.jpg)
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: LauraTXNM on April 14, 2018, 07:47:58 pm
So, what do you think @LauraTXNM, should we have done this or not?

@Sanguine  Yes, I think we need to have a fast directed response to any use of chemical weapons as a deterrent.  I agree with Pompeo, that Congress should have authorized an Obama strike -- even better, he shouldn't have waited for their approval.  Same thing here, Trump needed to act.  I wish it could have been done even faster.  (**So I guess Im not an official NeverTrumper now.**)

What do you think?  Was this a mistake?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 08:09:16 pm
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 14, 2018, 08:14:51 pm
I'm not going to get into insulting dishonest arguments, one could easily say "Anyone with half a brain can see things have changed in Trump's perception of the situation", that Assad is gassing people, that Russia/the regime haven't been fighting ISIS that much. This same discussion has happened in this forum. If one feels the need to insult, you aren't winning your discussion and I would hope it can be discussion and not argument.

"In other words nothing has changed"... I'm sure one can talk to a wall somewhere.

What anyone with a brain could see, which is what I said, was that Russia was covering for Syria when they claimed they would rid Syria of chemical weapons. Nothing dishonest about my statement whatsoever.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2018, 10:23:10 pm
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Sanguine on April 14, 2018, 11:47:53 pm
@Sanguine  Yes, I think we need to have a fast directed response to any use of chemical weapons as a deterrent.  I agree with Pompeo, that Congress should have authorized an Obama strike -- even better, he shouldn't have waited for their approval.  Same thing here, Trump needed to act.  I wish it could have been done even faster.  (**So I guess Im not an official NeverTrumper now.**)

What do you think?  Was this a mistake?

@LauraTXNM  Was this a mistake?  I don't know, and I guess we won't until later.  I remember a lot of people were very supportive of going into Iraq the second time.  Looking back, maybe it wasn't the best idea. 

I do appreciate that Trump is willing to make the hard decisions and act decisively. 
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2018, 11:48:48 pm
Saw this, I hate stories like this which we "possibly" might have done back in the 1980s, though this article is from 2013, the history pertains to today as well:

 Foreign Policy Mag  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy)
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Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
By Shane Harris and Matthew M. Aid

...

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.

 The intelligence included imagery and maps about Iranian troop movements, as well as the locations of Iranian logistics facilities and details about Iranian air defenses. The Iraqis used mustard gas and sarin prior to four major offensives in early 1988 that relied on U.S. satellite imagery, maps, and other intelligence. These attacks helped to tilt the war in Iraq’s favor and bring Iran to the negotiating table, and they ensured that the Reagan administration’s long-standing policy of securing an Iraqi victory would succeed. But they were also the last in a series of chemical strikes stretching back several years that the Reagan administration knew about and didn’t disclose.

U.S. officials have long denied acquiescing to Iraqi chemical attacks, insisting that Hussein’s government never announced he was going to use the weapons. But retired Air Force Col. Rick Francona, who was a military attaché in Baghdad during the 1988 strikes, paints a different picture

Read more at: http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/)

So, this was revealed through declassified CIA documents, like those that are being released about JFK, seems nothing has come of those.  Disturbing, even if one wants to make Iran to be a monster. The whole story could be more complicated.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 15, 2018, 12:10:08 am
Saw this, I hate stories like this which we "possibly" might have done back in the 1980s, though this article is from 2013, the history pertains to today as well:

 Foreign Policy Mag  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy)
So, this was revealed through declassified CIA documents, like those that are being released about JFK, seems nothing has come of those.  Disturbing, even if one wants to make Iran to be a monster. The whole story could be more complicated.

Which, has been my "be careful what you wish for" point all along.

Iran overthrew the Shah.

Iran Iraq war happens, and we want Iraq to defeat Iran.

Iraq launches chemical weapons against Iran.

Chemical weapons supplied by who? ( take a wild guess).

Iraq gasses its own people. (Wasn't supposed to happen).

USA attacks Iraq.

USA does it again after 9/11, claiming Iraq has Chemical weapons (Gee, I wonder where they came from?).

Inspectors search Iraq for chemical weapons.

Inspectors cannot find them.

Reports are, they were moved the Syria.

USA has been launching attacks against Syria, since the Obama administration, and are continuing it today.

Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2018, 12:21:43 am
Which, has been my "be careful what you wish for" point all along.

Iran overthrew the Shah.

Iran Iraq war happens, and we want Iraq to defeat Iran.

Iraq launches chemical weapons against Iran.

Chemical weapons supplied by who? ( take a wild guess).

Iraq gasses its own people. (Wasn't supposed to happen).

USA attacks Iraq.

USA does it again after 9/11, claiming Iraq has Chemical weapons (Gee, I wonder where they came from?).

Inspectors search Iraq for chemical weapons.

Inspectors cannot find them.

Reports are, they were moved the Syria.

USA has been launching attacks against Syria, since the Obama administration, and are continuing it today.



I think to be fair, perhaps Iran also ended up using chemical weapons;

But honestly, who knows? Just because it is on some webpage but from the little I have read, it appears they did not start doing it until Saddam was using them a few times. Something to research.

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-chemical-weapon-related-efforts (https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-chemical-weapon-related-efforts)

It shows one what a mess we are dealing with.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 15, 2018, 12:26:03 am
I think to be fair, perhaps Iran also ended up using chemical weapons;

But honestly, who knows? Just because it is on some webpage but from the little I have read, it appears they did not start doing it until Saddam was using them a few times. Something to research.

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-chemical-weapon-related-efforts (https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-chemical-weapon-related-efforts)

It shows one what a mess we are dealing with.

To be fair, I would agree.

Before anyone thinks I am just bashing our beloved Republicans, the Dems have many issues that are similar.

See Cuba, And Venezuela, just to name 2.

There are many.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2018, 03:52:34 pm
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Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: ABX on April 16, 2018, 08:26:11 pm
I haven't seen a report on this yet. Did Trump ever go to Congress w/ in the required 48 hour timeframe per the War Powers Act?  He did the first time around right w/ in the legally required time frame.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 18, 2018, 04:17:52 am
If Russia is in Syria, one would think, there being there, should or could possibly keep Iran (and Syria to a degree) and Hezbollah from some careless wild attack on Israel. Russia really should be a stabilizing influence.  Russia should have no intentions of hurting Israel. And Netanyahu and Putin have a fairly good relationship... but Israel attacks, so what do I know. I'm just thinking out loud a little. Daily in the news, there are articles that what Israel is apprehensive about is a heavy Iranian presence in Syria, right next door.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 18, 2018, 07:08:50 am
This was a stunning display of military might and planning.  If the government is to be believed, the destruction of those weapons facilities will save a lot of lives.  The announcement likely delayed construction in other facilities because Assad couldn't know what was being hit or when.  I am assuming that Team America has its facts correct.  If so, it is a testament to the quality of the team President Trump has and picked.   I think it is possible President Hillary could have chosen the same path and be greeted with support from the GOPe, but I don't think she could have chosen a better Military/Foreign Policy team.

Politically it looks like this was magnificent on President Trumps part. 

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia,  because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
3:57 AM - 11 Apr 2018

It would be hard to prove "collusion" with Russia to the average voter after reading that tweet, even though President Trump is essentially warning Putin to get his stuff out.  President Trump got a lot of political gain out of the chemical attacks and response.

My personal thoughts are that this was an effective, measured, swift, and justifiable response.  I don't know how it could have gone better.  Mission Accomplished.
 



Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: DB on April 18, 2018, 07:33:28 am
This was a stunning display of military might and planning.  If the government is to be believed, the destruction of those weapons facilities will save a lot of lives.  The announcement likely delayed construction in other facilities because Assad couldn't know what was being hit or when.  I am assuming that Team America has its facts correct.  If so, it is a testament to the quality of the team President Trump has and picked.   I think it is possible President Hillary could have chosen the same path and be greeted with support from the GOPe, but I don't think she could have chosen a better Military/Foreign Policy team.

Politically it looks like this was magnificent on President Trumps part. 

It would be hard to prove "collusion" with Russia to the average voter after reading that tweet, even though President Trump is essentially warning Putin to get his stuff out.  President Trump got a lot of political gain out of the chemical attacks and response.

My personal thoughts are that this was an effective, measured, swift, and justifiable response.  I don't know how it could have gone better.  Mission Accomplished.
 

Feeling a little sarcastic this morning?
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: WarmPotato on April 18, 2018, 07:42:49 am
TRUMP'S PULL OUT GAME WEAK!!!
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 18, 2018, 08:46:47 am
Feeling a little sarcastic this morning?
Not at all.  I approve of the strikes and I think President Trump improved his standing with more voters than he lost from the anti-globalist wing of the party.
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 19, 2018, 04:33:03 am

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Ankit Panda
‏Verified account @nktpnd
5h5 hours ago

Ankit Panda Retweeted Ankit Panda

#Syria fired 40 interceptors against the 105 US/UK/France guided missiles during Saturday's strikes. 38 of those interceptors were launched *after* all of the coalition's missiles had struck their targets.

https://twitter.com/KyleWOrton
Title: Re: Bombing in Syria is on NOW. BREAKING LIVE THREAD
Post by: TomSea on April 19, 2018, 04:37:20 am
I tend to doubt this; still, interesting, should we hear more.

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- AEJ خليل
‏ @anteebah_alSham
8h8 hours ago

#BREAKING
SU-22 warplane from #Dhumaiyr airbase carried out airstrikes with missiles filed with Toxic Gas Chemicals targeting #Petra area at 6:52pm, unknown casualties among civilians.
Eastern #Qalamoun cs #Syria April 18

https://twitter.com/anteebah_alSham