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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: Applewood on July 19, 2018, 05:12:17 pm
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FDA plans to crack down on alternative "milk" products
Got milk? Maybe not.
Federal regulators signaled this week they intend to crack down on non-dairy products billing themselves as “milk†— reversing a trend that allowed soy and almond drinks to proliferate on supermarket shelves.
Federal rules, which have largely gone unenforced, define the mom-pleasing, bone-building milk as coming from the “milking of one or more healthy cows.â€
Word of the change came from the Food and Drug Administration’s top boss, Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, at an event in Washington D.C
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More at:
https://nypost.com/2018/07/18/fda-plans-to-crack-down-on-alternative-milk-products/
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God forbid one aspect of life is untouched and unregulated by the federal Beast in D.C.
And yet people wonder why it is that companies are moving their operations overseas.
I certainly would never start a business again in this country.
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I can agree with not using the term milk for soy and almond juice.
But I do not agree that the lactation production from mammary glands on mammals other than bovine cannot be called milk.
(https://www.delameredairy.co.uk/media/1202/img_1499sml.jpg)
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I can agree with not using the term milk for soy and almond juice.
Is that because people are too stupid to understand that you cannot milk an almond or a soybean and they need the government to keep them safe from wrong assumptions?
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I can agree with not using the term milk for soy and almond juice.
But I do not agree that the lactation production from mammary glands on mammals other than bovine cannot be called milk.
(https://www.delameredairy.co.uk/media/1202/img_1499sml.jpg)
The dictionary definition of milk also includes "any liquid resembling this, as the liquid within a coconut, the juice or sap of certain plants, or various pharmaceutical preparations.".
This is nothing more than lobbyists for one industry using the hammer of the government to try to stifle competition. No sane person will confuse Almond Milk with something that comes from a cow udder, but it is still by definition, milk.
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The dictionary definition of milk also includes "any liquid resembling this, as the liquid within a coconut, the juice or sap of certain plants, or various pharmaceutical preparations.".
This is nothing more than lobbyists for one industry using the hammer of the government to try to stifle competition. No sane person will confuse Almond Milk with something that comes from a cow udder, but it is still by definition, milk.
Technically speaking, the liquid within a coconut is "coconut water". Coconut milk is made from pulping the "meat" of the coconut.
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God forbid one aspect of life is untouched and unregulated by the federal Beast in D.C.And yet people wonder why it is that companies are moving their operations overseas. I certainly would never start a business again in this country.
@INVAR
At a point in my life, I opened my own private practice for counseling and psychological testing. Then, later, a surprise, got a tax bill from the city. They had charged me, sight unseen, for having a medical doctor's practice - charged me for having equipment that would be in a medical doctor's office. I had to contact them to get that changed. What got me was, without contacting me, not coming to my office, they decided what I had in my office.
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Unless you are a complete moron, you know that soy, almond, rice, coconut and hemp milks are not the same as cow's or goat's milk. So what's the problem?
I'm going to guess lobbyists in the dairy industry slipped the FDA a suitcase full of large denomination bills to enforce this crackdown. Even the article says the sale of dairy milk is slipping compared to the alternatives. So it makes sense for the dairy industry to use a government agency to crack down on the competition.
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FDA is charged with creating and enforcing "standards of identity". While it's certainly possible that dairy interests leaned on the FDA for business purposes, they are not out of line with trying to enforce the standards they set.
I'm no fan of regulations any more than anyone else here but take the lowly tomato as an example. There's tomato juice, sauce, paste and of course, ketchup. What's the difference? Mostly, just the amount of water in it. But how pissed off would you be if your bottle labeled "ketchup" poured out on your fries like juice or your super-healthy tomato juice was undrinkable because it was actually tomato paste. Standards of identity define how much water (among other things) can go into a given product so it can be properly labeled ketchup or juice or sauce and performs as expected at the point of use.
You can argue that the standard for what's called "milk" should be changed to remove lactation exclusivity but in an environment where we'll soon be eating "meat" grown in a lab I kinda like someone looking out for stuff like this.
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Technically speaking, the liquid within a coconut is "coconut water". Coconut milk is made from pulping the "meat" of the coconut.
"Coconut milk" is as clear as water, last I checked. It has been a long, long time (I was 12), so it may have changed.
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"Coconut milk" is as clear as water, last I checked. It has been a long, long time (I was 12), so it may have changed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_milk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_water
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"Coconut milk" is as clear as water, last I checked. It has been a long, long time (I was 12), so it may have changed.
Nope. It's milky white.
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Nope. It's milky white.
Well, it's been 48 years since I cracked open an actual coconut. It was clear, but evolution can move fast. :shrug:
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Well, it's been 48 years since I cracked open an actual coconut. It was clear, but evolution can move fast. :shrug:
Yeah, that liquid inside the coconut is mostly clear, but that's not the milk.
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Yeah, that liquid inside the coconut is mostly clear, but that's not the milk.
The "milk" appears to be some sort of mechanically produced product, not generally available on Gilligan's Island. I have a hard time believing that cute Mary Ann was lying to me...lol.
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The "milk" appears to be some sort of mechanically produced product, not generally available on Gilligan's Island. I have a hard time believing that cute Mary Ann was lying to me...lol.
The cute ones always get away with it.
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FDA is charged with creating and enforcing "standards of identity". While it's certainly possible that dairy interests leaned on the FDA for business purposes, they are not out of line with trying to enforce the standards they set.
I'm no fan of regulations any more than anyone else here but take the lowly tomato as an example. There's tomato juice, sauce, paste and of course, ketchup. What's the difference? Mostly, just the amount of water in it. But how pissed off would you be if your bottle labeled "ketchup" poured out on your fries like juice or your super-healthy tomato juice was undrinkable because it was actually tomato paste. Standards of identity define how much water (among other things) can go into a given product so it can be properly labeled ketchup or juice or sauce and performs as expected at the point of use.
You can argue that the standard for what's called "milk" should be changed to remove lactation exclusivity but in an environment where we'll soon be eating "meat" grown in a lab I kinda like someone looking out for stuff like this.
I don't want Government doing anything except securing the damn borders and safeguarding opportunity while leaving us the hell alone.
Standards of Identity are simply Lawyers and Marketing companies colluding to try and make their products exclusive by using government to grant them monopoly on terms. There are lots of food products like coconuts that are milky, because the term describes more than just a lactation product - it also identifies consistency.
We already have government regulations regarding labelling products 'Real Dairy' on the label. We do not need them to regulate the term 'milk'.
As Applewood noted, this is just an effort by the Taxpayer Subsidized and government-protected dairy industry to stem alternate products cutting into their profits. That is all.
Just another form of Fascism.
I don;t need nor want government regulating
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I don't want Government doing anything except securing the damn borders and safeguarding opportunity while leaving us the hell alone.
Standards of Identity are simply Lawyers and Marketing companies colluding to try and make their products exclusive by using government to grant them monopoly on terms. There are lots of food products like coconuts that are milky, because the term describes more than just a lactation product - it also identifies consistency.
How am I supposed to know that these don't produce real milk?
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The cute ones always get away with it.
If Ginger told me something I'd look it up to make sure. She is a snake in the grass. But if Mary Ann told me something I'd make book on it.
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I don't want Government doing anything except securing the damn borders and safeguarding opportunity while leaving us the hell alone.
If you're a dairy farmer and someone starts marketing chalk in water and calls it milk because it's white, wouldn't the enforcement of the "lactating" standard of identity be safeguarding your opportunity?
We already have government regulations regarding labelling products 'Real Dairy' on the label. We do not need them to regulate the term 'milk'.
So some regulation is OK? Where's that line drawn?
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I can agree with not using the term milk for soy and almond juice.
But I do not agree that the lactation production from mammary glands on mammals other than bovine cannot be called milk.
(https://www.delameredairy.co.uk/media/1202/img_1499sml.jpg)
From Websters Dictionary:
1 a : a fluid secreted by the mammary glands of females for the nourishment of their young
b (1) : milk from an animal and especially a cow used as food by people (2) : a food product produced from seeds or fruit that resembles and is used similarly to cow's milk coconut milk soy milk
2 : a liquid resembling milk in appearance: such as
a : the latex of a plant
b : the contents of an unripe kernel of grain
3 : lactation cows in milk
I report...you decide
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If you're a dairy farmer and someone starts marketing chalk in water and calls it milk because it's white, wouldn't the enforcement of the "lactating" standard of identity be safeguarding your opportunity?
No.
I do not trust the government to safeguard jack-shit except their own power, their gravy train of taxpayer money and lobbying revenue to feather their nests.
In an age of instant communications, revealing the fraud and snake oil garbage from charlatans is what the courts and social media are for. Let the market decide.
Unless you do not trust the free market and think we need government to regulate the markets moreso than they already do.
So some regulation is OK? Where's that line drawn?
No. Government has proven it cannot be trusted with fairness or justice. It simply picks winners and losers and punishes those they will help their contributors destroy - fascism.
Government destroyed any 'lines' - having proven themselves corrupt beyond redemption or trustworthiness.
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I like to get mine right from the source.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WBHLFGj9m-E/maxresdefault.jpg)
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@INVAR
Government destroyed any 'lines' - having proven themselves corrupt beyond redemption or trustworthiness.
In an age of instant communications, revealing the fraud and snake oil garbage from charlatans is what the courts and social media are for. Let the market decide.
"The courts" are government aren't they? If the government is corrupt beyond redemption, why involve them.
Look, this is a pissin' in the wind thing - hardly a hill to die on. This merely enforces previously unenforced existing food safety regs of identity standards. It just says you can't call it "milk". It can still be sold and the choices will still be available. I don't see that as a bad thing particularly in light of this:
The big challenge is making meat that looks, feels and tastes like the real thing. Mosa Meat uses a small sample of cells taken from a live animal. Those cells are fed with nutrients so that they grow into strands of muscle tissue. The company claims it could make up to 80,000 quarter pounders from a single sample.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302564/
Is that beef? I think not and I'd appreciate knowing that it's not quite the real thing before i get it home.
I enjoy your posts INVAR - have a lovely evening.
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@INVAR
"The courts" are government aren't they? If the government is corrupt beyond redemption, why involve them.
Look, this is a pissin' in the wind thing - hardly a hill to die on. This merely enforces previously unenforced existing food safety regs of identity standards. It just says you can't call it "milk". It can still be sold and the choices will still be available. I don't see that as a bad thing particularly in light of this:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302564/
Is that beef? I think not and I'd appreciate knowing that it's not quite the real thing before i get it home.
I enjoy your posts INVAR - have a lovely evening.
Genetic modification is a whole other issue.
The term "milk" is not exclusive to mamilian breast excretions according to definitions defined in various dictionaries.
If the "milk" or any other product has been genetically modified, that is another issue, and I believe it is one we have a right to know about..
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@INVAR
"The courts" are government aren't they? If the government is corrupt beyond redemption, why involve them.
Because bureaucrats are worse and unless you got buckets of money from big lobbying firms, our "Representatives" are not interested in 'the little people' unless it grows the state or their wallets.
Look, this is a pissin' in the wind thing - hardly a hill to die on.
I hear that about every single issue from abortion to guns to deficit spending involving the talons of the insatiable Statist beast in D.C.
I'm convinced there is no hill much of anyone in this country is willing to die on for liberty, except a few of us 'extremists' and nutjobs.
This merely enforces previously unenforced existing food safety regs of identity standards.
This has NOTHING to do with 'safety'. This has everything to do with punishing those not from the Dairy lobby who are hurting their profit margins as people are turning to alternatives instead of dairy.
It just says you can't call it "milk".
And you cannot call a transgendered by what's between their legs, you cannot call homosexual perverts or their behavior a sin, but you can be forced to bake them a wedding cake. It never ends with the government telling us what we are allowed to think, say and do. I'm freaking sick and tired of their fingers getting into all our pies.
It can still be sold and the choices will still be available.
Under what 'market' will it be allowed to be sold? Will Big Dairy get government to ban selling soy milk in the dairy case? I'm sure that's the next step.
Get government out of it. Let the manufacturers hammer it out in court.
I don't see that as a bad thing particularly in light of this:
I see anything government touches as a bad light.
Is that beef? I think not and I'd appreciate knowing that it's not quite the real thing before i get it home.
Is "meat" genetically grown from fecal matter a public health risk? Soy, coconut and almond milk is arguably not. So an entirely different situation.
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If you're a dairy farmer and someone starts marketing chalk in water and calls it milk because it's white, wouldn't the enforcement of the "lactating" standard of identity be safeguarding your opportunity?
So some regulation is OK? Where's that line drawn?
If I'm a dairy farmer, and someone calls chalk milk, I'm laughing my ass off,
Because people know the difference without government interference.
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If I'm a dairy farmer, and someone calls chalk milk, I'm laughing my ass off,
Because people know the difference without government interference.
Exactly what I was thinking; entertainment.
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If I'm a dairy farmer, and someone calls chalk milk, I'm laughing my ass off,
Because people know the difference without government interference.
I am assuming that these products will also have to be called something else so as not to upset the Dairy Lobbying Congress?
(https://medichere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Milk-of-magnesia-dosage2.jpg)
I mean, people are simply too stupid to know that magnesias cannot be 'milked' - henceforth we need a government agency to set regulations on what they are permitted to call their products.
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an environment where we'll soon be eating "meat" grown in a lab I kinda like someone looking out for stuff like this.
+1
Deceptive trade practices. The real problem is how long it went unchallenged.
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Deceptive trade practices. The real problem is how long it went unchallenged.
Really?
You didn't know and could not comprehend that soy, almond and coconut milk are not dairy products?
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The question is not whether or not people can figure out the difference (though I'm sure there would be plenty who can't), the question is when that is known. I bought tomato paste, it poured out like water. That ain't paste. I bought burgers that turned out to be chains of protiens. I bought a tube that said toothpaste but turned out to be caulk (but it was white and pasty). My friend kissed a woman but when he got her home it was really a man. Labeling and standards of identity matter. :cool:
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My friend kissed a woman but when he got her home it was really a man. Labeling and standards of identity matter. :cool:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2207/2074519206_13eb2cbe69_z.jpg?zz=1)
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The question is not whether or not people can figure out the difference (though I'm sure there would be plenty who can't), the question is when that is known. I bought tomato paste, it poured out like water. That ain't paste. I bought burgers that turned out to be chains of protiens. I bought a tube that said toothpaste but turned out to be caulk (but it was white and pasty). My friend kissed a woman but when he got her home it was really a man. Labeling and standards of identity matter. :cool:
Buyer beware.
When you live in an environment with deceitful merchants (as it was when I lived in India), you are a whole lot more careful when purchasing.
I'd rather take my chances than empower government to make sure everyone is 'safe'.
Government is the last entity anyone should trust with anything.
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My friend kissed a woman but when he got her home it was really a man. Labeling and standards of identity matter. :cool:
A classic case of deceptive trade practices.
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A classic case of deceptive trade practices.
Danny Bonaduce beat the living crap out of a fellow practicing "deceptive trade practices" on his dancing jellybean in Phoenix a couple decades back. Danny Partridge, we hardly knew ya!
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Danny Bonaduce beat the living crap out of a fellow practicing "deceptive trade practices" on his dancing jellybean in Phoenix a couple decades back. Danny Partridge, we hardly knew ya!
Rubin Kincaid would have been proud of the lil sprout!
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Rubin Kincaid would have been proud of the lil sprout!
I was, but everybody seemed to get so upset about it at the time. I said, "Hey! Way to go, Danny!" The male hooker found out the hard way Danny had a Black Belt.
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I was, but everybody seemed to get so upset about it at the time. I said, "Hey! Way to go, Danny!" The male hooker found out the hard way Danny had a Black Belt.
Fueled by a little roid rage IIRC!
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Fueled by a little roid rage IIRC!
Damn, you're good. And you don't even live in Phoenix, do ya?
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Damn, you're good. And you don't even live in Phoenix, do ya?
Scary... Ain't it!
Negatory on the AZ connection :cool:
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Danny Bonaduce beat the living crap out of a fellow practicing "deceptive trade practices" on his dancing jellybean in Phoenix a couple decades back. Danny Partridge, we hardly knew ya!
Proof that you do not need government regulators and government policy to deal with 'deceptive trade practices'.
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Proof that you do not need government regulators and government policy to deal with 'deceptive trade practices'.
No, that was a case of the practitioner of deceptive practices finding the government extremely useful. Bonaduce was charged, tried and convicted of aggravated assault for that.
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No, that was a case of the practitioner of deceptive practices finding the government extremely useful. Bonaduce was charged, tried and convicted of aggravated assault for that.
I don't know hwy I remember that, but I remember it happening.
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If I'm a dairy farmer, and someone calls chalk milk, I'm laughing my ass off,
Because people know the difference without government interference.
In this instance, you are replying to the wrong person, you should redirect to meldrew...however, "milk" as terminology has several definitions