The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Gefn on February 24, 2020, 06:22:26 pm
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Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump’s bid for a second term in office is giving Vice President Mike Pence an early edge in the race that’s already shaping up for the Republican nomination in 2024.
Pence has lately been a mainstay at Trump’s signature campaign rallies, seldom missing the opportunity to introduce the president while test-driving a few crowd-pleasing lines of his own. The vice president has his own political action committee and has been steadily expanding his travel as a surrogate for Trump, with a particular focus on Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
He’s scheduled to embark on a bus tour through Michigan on Tuesday without the president, who’s in India. It will include a speech to supporters in a hotel ballroom -- a sort of mini-rally
https://news.yahoo.com/mike-pence-2024-presidential-campaign-090000463.html
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I like Mike Pence. When Trump picked him as his VP, all of my conservative friends came back with BORING. Now admittedly, I did not know much about him. In listening to him, I liked him, and thought Trump made an excellent selection.
I have never heard Pence utter one thing I did not agree with 100%. He is my candidate for 2024.
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No
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Pence may well be the nominee by default - I don't see any viable candidates out there. But he strikes me as the next Dan Quayle. But who knows - maybe Trump will mellow and voters all across the fruited plain will be clamoring for a "3rd term"? Oh wait, that would be Don Jr.'s cue, not Pence's.
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Pence may well be the nominee by default - I don't see any viable candidates out there. But he strikes me as the next Dan Quayle. But who knows - maybe Trump will mellow and voters all across the fruited plain will be clamoring for a "3rd term"? Oh wait, that would be Don Jr.'s cue, not Pence's.
Agree PENCE is a RINO establishment stooge. But other than DON JR we will get a politician and that is the problem. They all are OWNED and dance to their owners tune and that is screw middle america BUT let them make enough to pay taxes that we can STEAL and live a lavish lifestyle. The UNIPARTY wins in 2024 if a POLITICIAN is the candidate. Party does not matter. :yowsa:
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Pence may well be the nominee by default - I don't see any viable candidates out there. But he strikes me as the next Dan Quayle. But who knows - maybe Trump will mellow and voters all across the fruited plain will be clamoring for a "3rd term"? Oh wait, that would be Don Jr.'s cue, not Pence's.
Ted Cruz would be the natural choice for nominee; however, the DEMS hate him almost as much as Trump.
As for Pence being the natural choice --- Trump just did him a disservice by appointing him to take on the coronavirus.
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Ted Cruz is the obvious choice. He was second to Trump in 2016 and has been a staunch supporter and defender of Donald Trump.
Ted is brilliant, a core conservative, attractive and fun. Pence is a nice guy, but Ted's the one.
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Good for Pence,and most likely,good for America.
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Something about Pence that I just don't trust.
Pence, tapped to lead coronavirus response, vows US ‘ready for anything’
Vice President Pence, on the heels of being named to lead the U.S. response to the coronavirus outbreak, on Thursday vowed that the federal government is prepared to confront any potential health crisis -- while also declaring “this is not the time for partisanship,†in a bid to contain the political infighting surrounding that response.
“We’re ready. We’re ready for anything,†Pence said, echoing President Trump's remarks a day earlier.
Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington, Pence attempted to assuage mounting concerns over the virus while calling for political unity as the country seeks to halt the spread of the outbreak that has already killed at least 2,800 people worldwide and infected around 82,000...........
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-tapped-to-lead-coronavirus-response-says-us-ready-for-anything (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-tapped-to-lead-coronavirus-response-says-us-ready-for-anything)
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I like Mike Pence. When Trump picked him as his VP, all of my conservative friends came back with BORING.
@jafo2010
What's wrong with boring? Granted,it took a personality like Trump to shake things up and get them flowing in the right direction,but after a second Trump term I suspect a boring,but actual conservative,like Pence will be just what the doctor ordered for most voters. If he ever needs to shake anything up on the campaign trail,he can always call on Trump to give a speech somewhere.
With any luck at all a 1,2 punch like that would make even more Dims suicidal,thus making America Great Again.
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No
@Chosen Daughter
That does it for me. If you don't like him,he has my support!
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Whoever decides to step into the breach they will be attacked mercilessly by the media wing of the democrat party.
Just musing here but Donald Trump and family may be the most thoroughly investigated family ever in American politics. That would make Don Trump Jr sort of a pre-screened candidate, making opposition research in him a likely dry hole.
The only way then to smear him would be to make shit up, or maybe set up some phony entrapment play. Either way, it would be more of the same ‘son of orange man bad’. But, by then the public will have been so conditioned by fake news, they’ll ignore the noise as nothing more than partisan politics.
Btw, imagine an articulate Donald Trump. That’s Don Jr.
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I like Pence, and I have seen no evidence he is a RINO, as mentioned above.
And I would gladly welcome one of Trump's sons running too. I think his sons are very impressive.
Sen Cruz will definitely run, and perhaps Jeb will give it another try. I also expect Rubio and Kasich to give it serious consideration too.
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I have liberal friends, who told me during the impeachment farce that they would be ok with Pence as president if Trump had been booted from the White House, although I expect they meant temporarily -- until a Dem wins the White House in November.
But I do think Pence is tolerable to the less radical wing of the Democrat party. Sadly, though the party is being taken over by the leftist radicals and those who are more even handed will ultimately be looking for another party to represent them. Just like true conservatives in the Republican party.
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Ted Cruz is the obvious choice. He was second to Trump in 2016 and has been a staunch supporter and defender of Donald Trump.
Ted is brilliant, a core conservative, attractive and fun. Pence is a nice guy, but Ted's the one.
If a politician is a candidate I agree Ted is the best, JMO :patriot:
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Whoever decides to step into the breach they will be attacked mercilessly by the media wing of the democrat party.
Just musing here but Donald Trump and family may be the most thoroughly investigated family ever in American politics. That would make Don Trump Jr sort of a pre-screened candidate, making opposition research in him a likely dry hole.
The only way then to smear him would be to make shit up, or maybe set up some phony entrapment play. Either way, it would be more of the same ‘son of orange man bad’. But, by then the public will have been so conditioned by fake news, they’ll ignore the noise as nothing more than partisan politics.
Btw, imagine an articulate Donald Trump. That’s Don Jr.
@aligncare
Yeah,but a family dynasty ain't going to happen here. It reeks of Royalty.
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@aligncare
Yeah,but a family dynasty ain't going to happen here. It reeks of Royalty.
@sneakypete
I'm one of those who says "Oh. Hell. No." to another Trump in the White House and no, it's not because of my alleged "hatred" for the old man. We had two Bushes as president, a third one ran in 2016 and more recently, I heard about one of the grandkids, Pierce Bush, running for congress and already touted as a future presidential candidate. Um... no. No royal families. No dynasties. Get someone else.
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I certainly hope the GOP can find a better candidate by 2024, but I'd gladly vote for Pence in 2020.
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Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.
And there is no other like him on the horizon.
Good Luck. /s
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Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.
And there is no other like him on the horizon.
Good Luck. /s
Well, actually, I sure hope not. But then again, I'm a "hater." *****rollingeyes*****
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I like Pence, and I have seen no evidence he is a RINO, as mentioned above.
And I would gladly welcome one of Trump's sons running too. I think his sons are very impressive.
Sen Cruz will definitely run, and perhaps Jeb will give it another try. I also expect Rubio and Kasich to give it serious consideration too.
Kasich and Rubio are RINO's with Kasich being an absolute buffoon. Each of them are despicable for different reasons. Rubio couldn't even win his home state and yet stayed in the race for a bit afterwards. Why?
I don't see Jeb trying again, he made an absolute fool out of himself the first time around.
Whether or not Cruz will run again is debatable, it really depends on if he wants to deal with all the mud slinging from the left. He has a clean record so, it would be a matter of dealing with false accusations.
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The political arena has gotten so bad a nice guy like Pence would get eaten alive.
I am afraid the only candidates that would be willing to get into the fight now will be the Trump's of the world, not to be construed as me having a problem with Trump so put your "gotcha's" back in your pockets.... lol
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Well, actually, I sure hope not. But then again, I'm a "hater." *****rollingeyes*****
Prove yourself otherwise.
I'll give you the same challenge I gave to Once-Ler: Defend your opposition to President Trump. Be articulate, be rational and provide ways that he HAS NOT governed as a Conservative.
If Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders ... an unrepentant Socialist/Communist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union and admires the Castro regime ... are your two real-word serious adult choices come November 3?
WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR????
(If it's "neither", then you are more contemptable than the Bernie Bros who actually support ... something).
'Fess up already. Where do you stand?
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Something about Pence that I just don't trust.
Pence, tapped to lead coronavirus response, vows US ‘ready for anything’
Vice President Pence, on the heels of being named to lead the U.S. response to the coronavirus outbreak, on Thursday vowed that the federal government is prepared to confront any potential health crisis -- while also declaring “this is not the time for partisanship,†in a bid to contain the political infighting surrounding that response.
“We’re ready. We’re ready for anything,†Pence said, echoing President Trump's remarks a day earlier.
Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington, Pence attempted to assuage mounting concerns over the virus while calling for political unity as the country seeks to halt the spread of the outbreak that has already killed at least 2,800 people worldwide and infected around 82,000...........
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-tapped-to-lead-coronavirus-response-says-us-ready-for-anything (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-tapped-to-lead-coronavirus-response-says-us-ready-for-anything)
It's a sad day when a pious, honorable man like Mike Pence is not "trusted".
What, it the world, would make you think that?
Politics really, really suck.
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Ted Cruz would be the natural choice for nominee; however, the DEMS hate him almost as much as Trump.
As for Pence being the natural choice --- Trump just did him a disservice by appointing him to take on the coronavirus.
That's what I thought as well. If this turns out to be a nothing in the US...it will help him. If it turns out to be huge...it is hung on his neck.
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Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.
And there is no other like him on the horizon.
Good Luck. /s
In both positive and negative ways. He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened. A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment. Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion. They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.
He has made some remarkable accomplishments and that is a positive. Whether or not those will be enough to get him re-elected remains to be seen, especially with the coronavirus b.s. being thrown right at him. Putting Pence in charge of that I think is going to prove to be huge mistake regardless of what happens. I don't know if he has the authority to fire people within the CDC, but if he does, his first stop should be to fire Rosenstein's sister. Coincidence? Absolutely not.
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Ted Cruz is the obvious choice. He was second to Trump in 2016 and has been a staunch supporter and defender of Donald Trump.
Ted is brilliant, a core conservative, attractive and fun. Pence is a nice guy, but Ted's the one.
I think Cruz would be a better president than Pence but I don't think either has what it takes to get elected. BTW, remind me - who was the last repub to get elected out of the Senate?
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@aligncare
Yeah,but a family dynasty ain't going to happen here. It reeks of Royalty.
Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times. Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.
No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.
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Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times. Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.
No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.
I would vote for Don Jr., IF he stood conservatively on issues. Never would I vote for him just because his last name is Trump. Riding on Daddy's coattails isn't going to cut it for me -- he has to be able to convey where he stands, which direction he's going to take this country and how he plans on getting us there.
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In both positive and negative ways. He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened. A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment. Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion. They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.
He has made some remarkable accomplishments and that is a positive. Whether or not those will be enough to get him re-elected remains to be seen, especially with the coronavirus b.s. being thrown right at him. Putting Pence in charge of that I think is going to prove to be huge mistake regardless of what happens. I don't know if he has the authority to fire people within the CDC, but if he does, his first stop should be to fire Rosenstein's sister. Coincidence? Absolutely not.
First, he never "proclaimed" to lock up Hillary. Are you serious? In what fantasy world do you envision Hillary Clinton being indicted by a DC Grand Jury from corrupt DC prosecutors or convicted at trial by a DC jury? C'mon.
Second, the FBI and DoJ have been totally cleansed of upper management. They're all gone except for Wray, who needs to be nuked as well. The NSA is being "treated" by pesticide experts as well. Again, wait on the Barr/Durham investigation to finish. If there is crime, I expect indictments. I don't care if they are "prosecutable" with a jury of retired/disabled Federal workers ... do it. Make them "pay" attorneys like the rapacious Mueller prosecutors made General Flynn and Carter Page pay. Bankrupt Strozk and Lisa Page.
And, the CDC? That's the only legitimate health organization on Earth. If we relied on the WHO, we'd all be DEAD from Ebola.
I do agree with one thing: The Democrats and Media are looking to "Katrina" Trump.
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Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times. Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.
No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.
Donald Trump Junior DEFINITELY has notions.
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That's what I thought as well. If this turns out to be a nothing in the US...it will help him. If it turns out to be huge...it is hung on his neck.
Why? He was a Governor, he's a manager and administrator of complex agencies and bureaucracies.
How about just being optimistic that he will succeed?
Hopefully, the "global warming' scourge that the Left always is harping on will show up and this virus, like most, will die.
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Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.
And there is no other like him on the horizon.
Good Luck. /s
This is the problem for the Pubs and an opening for the Rats.
I don't see a dynamic candidate on the horizon who can not only deal with the never ending lies of the Rats but also the smears of the media like Trump has. If I'm betting I would bet on the Rats winning in 2024. It's why I'm eliminating as much debt as possible by then. Once the Rats get back in you can bet the economy is going down and taxes are going up.
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This is the problem for the Pubs and an opening for the Rats.
I don't see a dynamic candidate on the horizon who can not only deal with the never ending lies of the Rats but also the smears of the media like Trump has. If I'm betting I would bet on the Rats winning in 2024. It's why I'm eliminating as much debt as possible by then. Once the Rats get back in you can bet the economy is going down and taxes are going up.
Well, I'm sure you realize that the economy is tanking right now. Regardless, the economy was Trump's ace in the hole, and that is no longer his safety net. No wall. Illegal immigration numbers have doubled. The swamps isn't drained. No one on the left has been held responsible ... so ... as of now the platform that he has is he's the alternative to socialism. The average Joe is going to suffer and social programs may start to look pretty darn good to most and that could very easily open the door for a DEM win in 2020. If that happens, you will not see a Pub seated for a very very long time. 2024 statistically is the DEMS to loose.
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Why? He was a Governor, he's a manager and administrator of complex agencies and bureaucracies.
How about just being optimistic that he will succeed?
Hopefully, the "global warming' scourge that the Left always is harping on will show up and this virus, like most, will die.
Even IF the virus dies out once the weather changes, the impacts have already been felt. Globally. It's going to be a slow recovery, and I use recovery very lightly. Even IF a vaccine is created, it's not going to be perfect. Just like the flu vaccine -- it's hit or miss if they guess which flu vaccine will be more effective for that particular flu season. Yes, there is argument that it's not a flu virus, however it acts and spreads just as rapidly.
They are hoping that warmer weather will make it disappear ... but if it doesn't, then this becomes a whole other ballgame.
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Well, I'm sure you realize that the economy is tanking right now. Regardless, the economy was Trump's ace in the hole, and that is no longer his safety net. No wall. Illegal immigration numbers have doubled. The swamps isn't drained. No one on the left has been held responsible ... so ... as of now the platform that he has is he's the alternative to socialism. The average Joe is going to suffer and social programs may start to look pretty darn good to most and that could very easily open the door for a DEM win in 2020. If that happens, you will not see a Pub seated for a very very long time. 2024 statistically is the DEMS to loose.
Hang in there, the economy is not tanking. The markets are down, but they will go back up as soon as the factories in China gear up. The coronavirus issue will pass in a couple months. The 2nd gtr gdp will be lower than hoped for, but the 3rd gtr will be great because of the ramped up production here and the supply chain being up to speed and those products will begin selling in big numbers.
You're right the swamp isn't drained and leftists are not being held accountable. A big problem!
However, we are getting more judges confirmed and increasingly the courts are ruling in Trump's favor. The recent rulings on immigrants being self sufficient and sanctuary cities not getting funds are good examples.
Also, lower income wages are rising.
We are much better off!
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Even IF the virus dies out once the weather changes, the impacts have already been felt. Globally. It's going to be a slow recovery, and I use recovery very lightly. Even IF a vaccine is created, it's not going to be perfect. Just like the flu vaccine -- it's hit or miss if they guess which flu vaccine will be more effective for that particular flu season. Yes, there is argument that it's not a flu virus, however it acts and spreads just as rapidly.
They are hoping that warmer weather will make it disappear ... but if it doesn't, then this becomes a whole other ballgame.
The coronovirus is not going to be the black plague. The death rates are wildly exaggerated because in China a lot of people who got it were never recorded as having it and recovered. The young and healthy appear to recover from it fairly easily. Lets put it in perspective, over 14,000 have died this year because of the flu. Right now the "sky is falling" crowd is leading a panic which the Rats and media are happy to exploit.
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The coronovirus is not going to be the black plague. The death rates are wildly exaggerated because in China a lot of people who got it were never recorded as having it and recovered. The young and healthy appear to recover from it fairly easily. Lets put it in perspective, over 14,000 have died this year because of the flu. Right now the "sky is falling" crowd is leading a panic which the Rats and media are happy to exploit.
:thumbsup:
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I don't see Jeb trying again, he made an absolute fool out of himself the first time around.
@libertybele
The Bush Crime Family are now rudderless with Babs dead. She was the brains in the family,and the "Alpha male".
I doubt any of the current generation will ever get elected to anything other than a minor office in Texas from this point forward.
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It's a sad day when a pious, honorable man like Mike Pence is not "trusted".
@ArneFufkin
Well,it IS possible to not be trusted for reasons other than character. Depends on what aspect of "trust" you are focused on. If you are going to focus strictly on his character,I have no doubt he will pass any test.
On the other hand,if you want to focus on his ability to get bills passed,get them kicked back,and to push the cause of conservatism/Americanism forward in order to be trusted,that is an unknown at this point because as far as I can tell,he has been pretty quiet and not known for liking to rock the boat.
I am NOT claiming he wouldn't be willing and able to do so,nor am I claiming he would be willing to do so. I am saying at this point no one seems to know a lot about him,but Trump seems to be giving him a little responsibility now to let the sun shine on him,and we will see how he handles himself when "at the point of the sword".
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Ted Cruz would be the natural choice for nominee; however, the DEMS hate him almost as much as Trump.
@libertybele
That is a GOOD thing. Cruz is clerly VERY bright and I WANT to like him,but there is just something about him I can't define at this point that causes me to not trust him. The Dims hating him is a DEFINITE positive in MY book,though.
As for Pence being the natural choice --- Trump just did him a disservice by appointing him to take on the coronavirus.
Maybe,maybe not. Time will tell. For all we know Pence has never risen to the top of the heap because he was never in a position to be challenged with leadership on anything important before this.
I am sure there are posters here who know him better than either of us,so let them speak before condemning him.
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In both positive and negative ways. He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened.
Huh? Has he already served two terms,is ready to leave office,and nobody woke me?
A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment. Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion. They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.
See the above.
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I think Cruz would be a better president than Pence but I don't think either has what it takes to get elected. BTW, remind me - who was the last repub to get elected out of the Senate?
@Snarknado
When was the last President elected who had never held public office before?
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Hang in there, the economy is not tanking. The markets are down, but they will go back up as soon as the factories in China gear up. The coronavirus issue will pass in a couple months. The 2nd gtr gdp will be lower than hoped for, but the 3rd gtr will be great because of the ramped up production here and the supply chain being up to speed and those products will begin selling in big numbers.
You're right the swamp isn't drained and leftists are not being held accountable. A big problem!
However, we are getting more judges confirmed and increasingly the courts are ruling in Trump's favor. The recent rulings on immigrants being self sufficient and sanctuary cities not getting funds are good examples.
Also, lower income wages are rising.
We are much better off!
@bilo
You trying to harsh the @libertybele buzz? Trump HAS to be failing or she just can't be happy.
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Huh? Has he already served two terms,is ready to leave office,and nobody woke me?
See the above.
??? Huh??? He would be more likely to be re-elected if he had built the wall and drained the swamp as promised. His strong suit has been the economy ... granted we are several months out ... but the market is heading into unknown territory with 1,000 pt. daily drops in a global economy. Not exactly the backdrop any president would want going into an election.
There is nothing that he can do to turn this economic downturn around. It is completely out of his control and you know as well as I do that the DEMS will blame him. If it gets to the point that people loose their jobs or loved ones, it will be Trump's fault in their eyes. Bernie's freebies will start looking pretty good.
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??? Huh??? He would be more likely to be re-elected if he had built the wall and drained the swamp as promised.
What color is the sky on your home planet? ANY President's goal is to accomplish as much as he can in his first term,while leaving himself with no strong opposition to a second term,when he can step on all the toes he wants because he won't be running again.
Given the current atmosphere he needed to focus as much as possible on the economy,and stopping the illegal alien invasion. NOBODY you can name could have accomplished more than he did with either. If the invasion wasn't slowed down there would be no need to have any more elections because America would disappear as an independent nation.
Creatures like Hillary,Hunter Biden,etc,etc,etc are going nowhere,and are issues that can be dealt with during a second term.
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What color is the sky on your home planet? ANY President's goal is to accomplish as much as he can in his first term,while leaving himself with no strong opposition to a second term,when he can step on all the toes he wants because he won't be running again.
Given the current atmosphere he needed to focus as much as possible on the economy,and stopping the illegal alien invasion. NOBODY you can name could have accomplished more than he did with either. If the invasion wasn't slowed down there would be no need to have any more elections because America would disappear as an independent nation.
Creatures like Hillary,Hunter Biden,etc,etc,etc are going nowhere,and are issues that can be dealt with during a second term.
The sky on my planet is the same color as yours. You and I understand and recognize what he's accomplished in light of the DEM opposition and obstruction. I completely and fully understand that if the invasion wasn't slowed that it would be mathematically impossible for another GOP to be seated... I get that. IF the left is seated, that will also become reality. That's not the point. The wall still isn't built, anyway you look at it. That's reality. Also, no one on the left has been held responsible, nor indicted. Their corruption hasn't ended -- obviously. Trump not being able to stop that corruption, may cost him his re-election. That is where you and I aren't seeing eye to eye.
He's not going to see a 2nd term if the economy tanks and we head into a recession. You and I are smart enough to know the corruption and aren't going to blame Trump --- but there are a lot of liberal mental midgets out there who perhaps were going to vote for him, that won't. He can't win without creating a larger voting base.
Back to him not being able to stop the corruption -- I still cannot help but question as I have from the very beginning why on earth he would appoint Rosenstein who was so tied to both Bammy and Clinton? It just plain doesn't make sense. Now Rosenstein's sister is head of the CDC's Respiratory Illnesses. Coincidence? Not in my books.
Just my opinion.
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Just no. Ted Cruz or Nikki Haley. I quite like her -- executive experience and she's the only person to serve in the Trump administration, without either being a Trump sycophant or leaving under a cloud from the point of view of hard-core Trump supporters. As an added bonus she'd give the identity-politics-driven Left fits between being a woman and her South Asian ancestry. Actually, I keep hoping Trump will find a way to shunt Pence aside and pick Haley as his running mate in 2020. Not going to happen, unless maybe the Pence-led coronavirus effort goes south and throwing Pence under the bus is way for Trump to minimize the fallout, which is not something I'd really like to see happen as a price for getting her on the ticket.
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Mike Pence may very well be elected president after Mr. Trump.
But... it will be like Bush 1 after Ron Reagan.
That is to say, Pence, although likable and well-meaning, will be ineffectual and end up a single-termer, accomplishing little. He hasn't the fire of Trump, and will not be able to hold up against the caterwauling assault of the leftists and the fellow-travelin' media.
I'm wonderin' who from the democrat-communists will win in 2028...?
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Just no. Ted Cruz or Nikki Haley. I quite like her -- executive experience and she's the only person to serve in the Trump administration, without either being a Trump sycophant or leaving under a cloud from the point of view of hard-core Trump supporters. As an added bonus she'd give the identity-politics-driven Left fits between being a woman and her South Asian ancestry. Actually, I keep hoping Trump will find a way to shunt Pence aside and pick Haley as his running mate in 2020. Not going to happen, unless maybe the Pence-led coronavirus effort goes south and throwing Pence under the bus is way for Trump to minimize the fallout, which is not something I'd really like to see happen as a price for getting her on the ticket.
The thought also ran through my head that this may be a way to get rid of Pence as he brings absolutely nothing to the table. Trump picks Cruz -- that's going to be a pretty hard ticket to beat and the two of them would be unstoppable -- he should have picked him from the get go. Trump/Haley would be good too. Perhaps even Trump/Huckabee.
Looking forward to the 2024 election -- Cruz/Haley or Cruz/Ernst would be a very strong ticket. That is provided that Trump wins re-election in 2020 -- if not, we won't see another GOP seated for quite a long time.
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The wall still isn't built, anyway you look at it. That's reality.
@libertybele
The REALITY is that a lot of it has been built. MUCH more than anyone else would have built because Trump wasn't shy about pulling money from other projects when the Dims tried to shut it down by diverting the money to other things.
Also, no one on the left has been held responsible, nor indicted. Their corruption hasn't ended -- obviously. Trump not being able to stop that corruption, may cost him his re-election. That is where you and I aren't seeing eye to eye.
Nobody was ever going to be indicted during a first term. To do so would have been a horrible mistake because that would be all the headlines would have been about,making him seem like a liar who is ineffective.
Trump was smart enough to see that coming,so he did what he could do by grabbing money from other areas the Dims didn't control,and got large sections of the Wall put up DESPITE them,making them look like the desperate fools they are.
Politicians have to pick their fights,and in all my life I have never seen a President who knows how to "play" the opposition like Trump does. This is why they were and are so desperate to impeach him. They know that if he gets a second term,the gloves are going to come off.
He's not going to see a 2nd term if the economy tanks and we head into a recession. You and I are smart enough to know the corruption and aren't going to blame Trump --- but there are a lot of liberal mental midgets out there who perhaps were going to vote for him, that won't. He can't win without creating a larger voting base.
Back to him not being able to stop the corruption -
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Nobody has been able to stop corruption in politics since the second day politics was created. I have no idea why you want to hold Trump to such an impossible standard. Name ONE candidate that would have accomplished even half as much.
I still cannot help but question as I have from the very beginning why on earth he would appoint Rosenstein who was so tied to both Bammy and Clinton? It just plain doesn't make sense. Now Rosenstein's sister is head of the CDC's Respiratory Illnesses. Coincidence? Not in my books.
I know nothing about that.
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Trump picks Cruz -- that's going to be a pretty hard ticket to beat and the two of them would be unstoppable -- he should have picked him from the get go.
@libertybele
What makes you so certain Cruz would accept?
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@The_Reader_David
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@libertybele
What makes you so certain Cruz would accept?
I don't and IMHO he probably wouldn't. I'm just thinking that they would make an unbeatable and unstoppable team. I always have.
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@libertybele
I know nothing about that.
During the Clinton Administration, Rosenstein served as Counsel [/u]to Deputy Attorney General Philip B. Heymann (1993–1994) and Special Assistant to Criminal Division Assistant Attorney General Jo Ann Harris (1994–1995). Rosenstein then worked in the United States Office of the Independent Counsel under Ken Starr on the Whitewater investigation into President Bill Clinton.
President George W. Bush nominated Rosenstein to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on May 23, 2005. He took office on July 12, 2005, after the U.S. Senate unanimously confirmed his nomination.[23][25] He was the only U.S. Attorney retained by President Barack Obama.
Rod J. Rosenstein was born in Philadelphia on January 13, 1965,[15][16] to Robert, who ran a small business, and Gerri Rosenstein, a bookkeeper and local school board president. He grew up in Lower Moreland Township, Pennsylvania.[17] He has one sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[18][19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein
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I would vote for Don Jr., IF he stood conservatively on issues. Never would I vote for him just because his last name is Trump. Riding on Daddy's coattails isn't going to cut it for me -- he has to be able to convey where he stands, which direction he's going to take this country and how he plans on getting us there.
You would? What do you like about him? He just looks like a guy that wants to chase tail.
Ben Sasse 2024
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Just no. Ted Cruz or Nikki Haley. I quite like her -- executive experience and she's the only person to serve in the Trump administration, without either being a Trump sycophant or leaving under a cloud from the point of view of hard-core Trump supporters. As an added bonus she'd give the identity-politics-driven Left fits between being a woman and her South Asian ancestry. Actually, I keep hoping Trump will find a way to shunt Pence aside and pick Haley as his running mate in 2020. Not going to happen, unless maybe the Pence-led coronavirus effort goes south and throwing Pence under the bus is way for Trump to minimize the fallout, which is not something I'd really like to see happen as a price for getting her on the ticket.
@The_Reader_David
I would vote for Nikki Haley if she runs.... smart and can be tough..
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@The_Reader_David
I would vote for Nikki Haley if she runs.... smart and can be tough..
Nope, Nikki is already spoken for
http://christianobserver.net/noachide-laws-nikki-haley-queen-of-sheba/ (http://christianobserver.net/noachide-laws-nikki-haley-queen-of-sheba/)
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/119651/sanhedrin-nikki-haley-commemorative-coin/ (https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/119651/sanhedrin-nikki-haley-commemorative-coin/)
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@bilo
You trying to harsh the @libertybele buzz? Trump HAS to be failing or she just can't be happy.
I think you're being a little too tough. @libertybele and I have gone back and forth on a bunch of things. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't, but she's a pretty solid conservative.
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The thought also ran through my head that this may be a way to get rid of Pence as he brings absolutely nothing to the table. Trump picks Cruz -- that's going to be a pretty hard ticket to beat and the two of them would be unstoppable -- he should have picked him from the get go. Trump/Haley would be good too. Perhaps even Trump/Huckabee.
Looking forward to the 2024 election -- Cruz/Haley or Cruz/Ernst would be a very strong ticket. That is provided that Trump wins re-election in 2020 -- if not, we won't see another GOP seated for quite a long time.
I agree with you, but the campaign was so rough that there was no way Cruz was going to run on the ticket with Trump. After Trump won Cruz did the big thing and put Texas first by setting aside his personal animosity and has worked with Trump. I suspect they might even get along now.
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https://www.amazon.com/Ben-Sasse-President-2024-Campaign/dp/B07K3Y71JT (https://www.amazon.com/Ben-Sasse-President-2024-Campaign/dp/B07K3Y71JT)
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@sneakypete
I'm one of those who says "Oh. Hell. No." to another Trump in the White House and no, it's not because of my alleged "hatred" for the old man. We had two Bushes as president, a third one ran in 2016 and more recently, I heard about one of the grandkids, Pierce Bush, running for congress and already touted as a future presidential candidate. Um... no. No royal families. No dynasties. Get someone else.
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Absolutely nothing wrong w/Royalty as long as they're not schmucks!
Hmm...............upon reflection let's forget about any more Trumpets.
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I think you're being a little too tough. @libertybele and I have gone back and forth on a bunch of things. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't, but she's a pretty solid conservative.
@bilo,you may be right and I may be wrong,but there seems to be a few around here who think Trump is the liberal Spawn of Satan because he took the presidency away from whoever their favorite RINO is.
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@bilo,you may be right and I may be wrong,but there seems to be a few around here who think Trump is the liberal Spawn of Satan because he took the presidency away from whoever their favorite RINO is.
Funny...no...comical, how no MOD showed up in here to remind everybody to stay on topic.
'President Cruz'...ROFL! You guys haven't learned anything in the past 4 years.
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@The_Reader_David
I would vote for Nikki Haley if she runs.... smart and can be tough..
@EdinVA
@The_Reader_David
Her stand to ban the Confederate Battle Flag on Capitol Grounds as governor, means she will get ZERO votes from me for the rest of my life.
The hell with her.
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@EdinVA
@The_Reader_David
Her stand to ban the Confederate Battle Flag on Capitol Grounds as governor, means she will get ZERO votes from me for the rest of my life.
The hell with her.
@catfish1957
Yea, that one kinda ticked me off also, but the capital ground is for official flags of a region/state and the battle flag is not an official flag, so i made peace with that one...
Out of the thousands of actions/decisions she has made over the years, I agreed with most and it is ok with me if we disagree over a few "bad" calls.
Ms. Haley, Trump and Pompeo are the only ones I have seen/heard lately that truley understand the words they say and the actions they take. We have had to many romney's, bushes, obama's, etc...
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@EdinVA
@The_Reader_David
Her stand to ban the Confederate Battle Flag on Capitol Grounds as governor, means she will get ZERO votes from me for the rest of my life.
The hell with her.
Nikki Haley took to New York’s diplomatic social scene and high-society cocktail parties like a fish takes to water—Sorry, I meant to say swamp.
Whatever good intentions she may have had as governor, as Ambassador to UN she went over to the dark side in New York.
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@EdinVA
@The_Reader_David
Her stand to ban the Confederate Battle Flag on Capitol Grounds as governor, means she will get ZERO votes from me for the rest of my life.
The hell with her.
@catfish1957
I couldn't agree more. Those who want to ignore history for PC reasons also tend to want to alter the future for PC reasons.
History is a record of what happened,the good,the bad,and the ugly. People who ignore those lessons are likely to have to deal with the reasons they became history in the future.
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@catfish1957
I couldn't agree more. Those who want to ignore history for PC reasons also tend to want to alter the future for PC reasons.
History is a record of what happened,the good,the bad,and the ugly. People who ignore those lessons are likely to have to deal with the reasons they became history in the future.
@sneakypete
Good points Pete. This bad descison is probably a good barometer of how she handle other SJW- ish gobbly goop. What I like about Trump best? His ability to give the finger to anyone who barks at his anti-PC moves
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And there is no other like him on the horizon.
Thank God for that.
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This is the problem for the Pubs and an opening for the Rats.
I don't see a dynamic candidate on the horizon who can not only deal with the never ending lies of the Rats but also the smears of the media like Trump has. If I'm betting I would bet on the Rats winning in 2024. It's why I'm eliminating as much debt as possible by then. Once the Rats get back in you can bet the economy is going down and taxes are going up.
Cruz/Lee '24
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Thank God for that.
I do, @txradioguy
...everyday. :cool:
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You would? What do you like about him? He just looks like a guy that wants to chase tail.
Ben Sasse 2024
Go back and read my post. I was very specific.
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Cruz/Lee '24
I used to like Lee but he has voted recently a couple of times that weren't so conservative in nature.
I think a conservative female like Ernst would be a better ticket and might attract more female voters. Haley has more name recognition but IMHO not quite as conservative.
Ideally Cruz needs to run with a conservative Hispanic female.
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@bilo,you may be right and I may be wrong,but there seems to be a few around here who think Trump is the liberal Spawn of Satan because he took the presidency away from whoever their favorite RINO is.
You couldn't be more right!
I know in 2016 Trump supporters were so fierce in their support of him that it was a big turn off. After Trump took office and actually started doing things it was obvious that he was what we needed, but some who fought with the Trump supporters just couldn't let their animosity go. I'm sure that's a big part of what we're seeing here.
I know I'd rather have the firing squad facing the enemy rather than in a circle facing inward. It seems pretty self defeating to denigrate Trump now after we have a pretty good track record.
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During the Clinton Administration, Rosenstein served as Counsel [/u]to Deputy Attorney General Philip B. Heymann (1993–1994) and Special Assistant to Criminal Division Assistant Attorney General Jo Ann Harris (1994–1995). Rosenstein then worked in the United States Office of the Independent Counsel under Ken Starr on the Whitewater investigation into President Bill Clinton.
President George W. Bush nominated Rosenstein to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on May 23, 2005. He took office on July 12, 2005, after the U.S. Senate unanimously confirmed his nomination.[23][25] He was the only U.S. Attorney retained by President Barack Obama.
Rod J. Rosenstein was born in Philadelphia on January 13, 1965,[15][16] to Robert, who ran a small business, and Gerri Rosenstein, a bookkeeper and local school board president. He grew up in Lower Moreland Township, Pennsylvania.[17] He has one sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[18][19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein)
A quick google search shows that Rosenstein's sister has been with the CDC since 1995, and has received a variety of promotions and positions within the CDC since then from both Republican and Democratic administrations. There appears to be very little evidence that she's anything other than a long-time expert on these things, and holds her current position for that reason. I know there are some who want to see Deep State conspiracy everywhere, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html (https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html)
@sneakypete
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Cruz/Lee '24
I've soured on Lee, but have always been a Cruz supporter.
Cruz has so many great qualities, especially significant to me was his willingness to work with Trump after the election. That alone indicated to me he would put the good of those he represents above any personal animosity. I doubt though he, or anyone else, will be able to deal with all the lies and attacks from the Rats and media as well as Trump has.
Trump has defied traditional thinking so many times and ended up not only winning on the issue, but gaining in strength. It's easy to see how he became so successful. He just won't quit.
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Cruz/Sasse Sasse/cruz
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Cruz+sasse&&view=detail&mid=E8971F13D681CC468B1BE8971F13D681CC468B1B&rvsmid=06CFC2D61654FB104E8E06CFC2D61654FB104E8E&FORM=VDQVAP (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Cruz+sasse&&view=detail&mid=E8971F13D681CC468B1BE8971F13D681CC468B1B&rvsmid=06CFC2D61654FB104E8E06CFC2D61654FB104E8E&FORM=VDQVAP)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-cant-defend-the-indefensible-ben-sasse-and-democratic-senator-clash-over-anti-infanticide-bill (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-cant-defend-the-indefensible-ben-sasse-and-democratic-senator-clash-over-anti-infanticide-bill)
https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/11/born-alive-abortion-bill-sasse/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/11/born-alive-abortion-bill-sasse/)
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=news&id=393 (https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=news&id=393)
https://flyheight.com/videos/f5njp6 (https://flyheight.com/videos/f5njp6)
Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse would be the Constitutional Conservative dream team.
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Remember this? LOL!
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Ted Social security
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Ted Cruz omnibus spending
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ted+cruz+spending+bill+video&&view=detail&mid=95BB37CCDE08EEDD5E6A95BB37CCDE08EEDD5E6A&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dted%2520cruz%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26qs%3DAS%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D3%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dted%2520cruz%2520spend%26sk%3DMM1AS1%26sc%3D4-14%26cvid%3DEBAC769AE8584020825C91690DE6AD1A (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ted+cruz+spending+bill+video&&view=detail&mid=95BB37CCDE08EEDD5E6A95BB37CCDE08EEDD5E6A&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dted%2520cruz%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26qs%3DAS%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D3%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dted%2520cruz%2520spend%26sk%3DMM1AS1%26sc%3D4-14%26cvid%3DEBAC769AE8584020825C91690DE6AD1A)
Ben Sasse we are going to be under attack again 2020
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ben+sasse+omnibus+spending+bill+video&&view=detail&mid=0506CAD2B74134AF49E70506CAD2B74134AF49E7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBen%2520sasse%2520omnibus%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVRMH%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dben%2520sasse%2520omnibus%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26sc%3D0-37%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DA7B544F858504F72804EDB6B11FF9025 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ben+sasse+omnibus+spending+bill+video&&view=detail&mid=0506CAD2B74134AF49E70506CAD2B74134AF49E7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBen%2520sasse%2520omnibus%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVRMH%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dben%2520sasse%2520omnibus%2520spending%2520bill%2520video%26sc%3D0-37%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DA7B544F858504F72804EDB6B11FF9025)
Oh, I fully expect blowback from that one!
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@sneakypete
What I like about Trump best? His ability to give the finger to anyone who barks at his anti-PC moves
@catfish1957
That IS a breath of fresh air,ain't it?
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You couldn't be more right!
I know in 2016 Trump supporters were so fierce in their support of him that it was a big turn off. After Trump took office and actually started doing things it was obvious that he was what we needed, but some who fought with the Trump supporters just couldn't let their animosity go. I'm sure that's a big part of what we're seeing here.
I know I'd rather have the firing squad facing the enemy rather than in a circle facing inward. It seems pretty self defeating to denigrate Trump now after we have a pretty good track record.
QFT! :beer:
"Ego is not your Amigo!" .... Mark Wahlberg (Mile 22)
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I used to like Lee but he has voted recently a couple of times that weren't so conservative in nature.
I think a conservative female like Ernst would be a better ticket and might attract more female voters. Haley has more name recognition but IMHO not quite as conservative.
Ideally Cruz needs to run with a conservative Hispanic female.
If you don't like a couple of the votes lately from Mike Lee you really won't like Joni Ernst.
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It seems pretty self defeating to denigrate Trump now after we have a pretty good track record.
@bilo The fact that American citizens are emitting those brain farts with the passion of conviction while claiming to be,and THINKING THEY ARE,"conservatives" gives me brain freeze.
It's like claiming up is down and water is dust. These people are either Dim shills,or RINO's confusing passion with intellect.
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I know there are some who want to see Deep State conspiracy everywhere, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
@Maj.Bill Martin
There is so much false information being pushed as factual every single day from so many sources,it's easy for any of us to fall into that trap,but you are right. Sometimes something is right BECAUSE it is right,regardless of how much it makes your knee OR my knee jerk.
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@bilo The fact that American citizens are emitting those brain farts with the passion of conviction while claiming to be,and THINKING THEY ARE,"conservatives" gives me brain freeze.
It's like claiming up is down and water is dust. These people are either Dim shills,or RINO's confusing passion with intellect.
Fair points.
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If you don't like a couple of the votes lately from Mike Lee you really won't like Joni Ernst.
Thanks for the info. I haven't really paid attention to her in quite awhile (since Cruz talked about her in '16). I'll have to check her record.
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Senator Ben Sasse Says "Sean Hannity's Business Model" Is NOT Good For America!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ben+sasse+immigration&&view=detail&mid=85EEE9E5E9BC7B66EDFB85EEE9E5E9BC7B66EDFB&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBen%2520sasse%2520immigration%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dben%2520sasse%2520immigration%26sc%3D2-21%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D6F84481C4FAC4A529C2555FDDE607CC7 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ben+sasse+immigration&&view=detail&mid=85EEE9E5E9BC7B66EDFB85EEE9E5E9BC7B66EDFB&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBen%2520sasse%2520immigration%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dben%2520sasse%2520immigration%26sc%3D2-21%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D6F84481C4FAC4A529C2555FDDE607CC7)
I like Ben Sasse because he would be good for America. Because he believes in good. He is a Constitutionalist Conservative that really cares.