The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 10, 2016, 01:17:44 am
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http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-cruz-birther-canada/2016/01/09/id/708864/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Donald Trump goaded a fellow Republican front-runner, Ted Cruz, over his eligibility to be president and professed bafflement that he's not beating him in Iowa polls as a delicate detente between the two became ever more frayed Saturday.
With Trump in Iowa for the first time in the new year, Iowans were seeing a sharp contrast between the grinding Iowa campaign of Cruz — whose five stops Saturday complete a six-day, 28-event bus tour — and the splashy mega-rallies that have become as much Trump's brand as his gilded hotels. Both have attracted overflow crowds: Trump at large halls and stadiums; Cruz in countless coffee shops, convenience stores, churches and diners.
The Texas senator and the billionaire have been quietly circling one another as they work to win over voters in the final stretch leading to the caucuses. The feud escalated Saturday as Trump lashed out at Cruz on multiple fronts before a packed 665-person capacity auditorium in Ottumwa, Iowa, with many more voters crowded into an overflow room.
"The polls are essentially tied. I don't get it," Trump said in the first of several references to Cruz in rambling remarks that spanned an hour.
The billionaire attacked Cruz's apparent shift on ethanol subsidies, the influence of wealthy campaign donors and renewed questions about the Texas senator's Canadian birth.
"He's got to straighten out his problem," Trump said just two minutes into his address. "You can't have that problem and go and be the nominee."
Trump late last year began efforts to undermine Cruz, questioning the senator's religion and accusing him at recent events of stealing his idea to build a wall along the Mexico border. The intensity escalated this past week when Trump questioned whether the Canadian-born Cruz was eligible to be president.
Cruz has been careful not to take on Trump directly even as a few other rivals have savaged him. He chalked up the comments about his eligibility to the political "silly season" and said it's a non-issue.
But he appeared to offer a counterpunch on Friday, when he suggested that Trump wasn't devoting the time and energy to wooing Iowa voters that history shows is needed to win.
"There is an Iowa way of campaigning and deciding caucuses," Cruz told supporters packed into a basement of a pizza restaurant in Decorah. "I believe the only way to compete and win in the state of Iowa is to come and spend the time asking the voters for their support. Looking them in the eye."
He's often asked how he can beat Trump.
"You know we are gonna continue doing exactly what we are doing," he said in a Charles City coffee shop Friday when the question came up again. "You come here, you have the humility to stand before the men and women of this state and answer your questions. And you have the strength and courage of your convictions to say I can defend my record. And I can answer the hard questions."
While Cruz has been traveling by bus, meeting people at one event after the next over jam-packed days, Trump typically holds a single major rally, then departs. While that's a break from tradition, his campaign says he's able to reach far more potential voters than candidates at smaller events can do.
Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said earlier in the week that Trump has a series of stops planned for the next three weeks leading to the caucuses, including multiple overnight stays.
In Ottumwa, Trump himself vowed to return. "I'm going to be here a lot over the next three weeks — a lot," he said.
Yet the usually confident Trump also acknowledged he might not ultimately win the state's leadoff caucuses next month.
"We've got to win Iowa, oh we've got to win it, otherwise we're wasting our time," he said. "If I don't make it I'm going to love you folks just as much."
Iowa voters have been mixed on Trump's approach.
"In Iowa, we need to press the skin," said Theo Boman, an undertaker from Webster City who backs Cruz and came to one of his recent events.
But Lars Johnson, a retired chiropractor who lives near Decorah, Iowa, said he wasn't concerned that Trump was sticking to massive rallies.
"Every person's got his own way of doing things," said Johnson, who lists Trump as his top choice, followed by Cruz. "I don't think Trump would be satisfied with a couple hundred people."
Meanwhile, Cruz has said he has no interest in getting into a war of words with Trump.
"Our friends in the media desperately want Donald and me to engage in a cage match," Cruz said on Friday. "I am not interested in throwing rocks at Donald Trump or any other Republican running for president."
Josh Jordan@NumbersMuncher
Trump: Cruz not eligible to be president.
Cruz: I love the Donald, this is the establishment attacking me.
T: Not eligible.
C: I love Trump.
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OMG, you mean Trump is trying to WIN? How dare he!
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OMG, you mean Trump is trying to WIN? How dare he!
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It looks like Sen Ted Cruz will be very happy when that happens.
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It looks like Sen Ted Cruz will be very happy when that happens.
I don't see that at all. When someone verbally attacks you unprovoked, unfounded and unwarranted, the best thing you can do is not to engage them and that's exactly what Cruz is doing. I really think it bothers Trump that Cruz is ahead of him in Iowa and is really grasping at straws in trying to stop him. I predict it may even show a different side of Trump that we haven't seen yet that just may indeed cause him to drop in the polls. In part Trump's success is because of his abruptness and crassness whereas; Cruz has not engaged any of the other candidates and merely brushes off their negative comments and moves forward. So far his positive approach and his record have allowed him to rise significantly in the polls and in IA he is leading. There may soon come a time where it will be Trump's personality vs. Cruz's record. I place my bet on Cruz's record...it speaks for itself and needs no abruptness and crassness to gain attention. Secondly and perhaps most importantly is Cruz is refusing to attack his fellow GOP running mates. Think back to the debate after he made the comments to the commentators in regards to them picking apart his fellow running mates. Not only did it significantly boost his ratings in the polls, but it showed true leadership as afterwards they all seemed to stand together. It was nice to see for a change a party united rather than a party divided and that's exactly what this country needs.
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The billionaire attacked Cruz's apparent shift on ethanol subsidies, the influence of wealthy campaign donors and renewed questions about the Texas senator's Canadian birth.
It's not an "attack" by a billionaire or otherwise. This is a political battle. Let Cruz answer the questions raised. :shrug:
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It's not an "attack" by a billionaire or otherwise. This is a political battle. Let Cruz answer the questions raised. :shrug:
The next GOP debate will be held Thursday. I'm sure Trump will be in 'attack' mode and it will be interesting to see how the moderators treat Cruz. I'm sure if the moderators don't raise these questions, Trump will. My hunch is Cruz will be well prepared and I predict the next debate may very well hurt Trump. It will also be interesting to see if the other GOPe candidates attack Cruz or if they try to take on Trump. The one candidate that I feel has the most to gain from questions raised by Trump of Cruz is Rubio.
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OMG, you mean Trump is trying to WIN? How dare he!
:dammit:
Remember he will implode at 80% :beer:
http://therightscoop.com/wow-20-of-democrats-would-switch-and-vote-for-trump-if-he-won-the-nomination/
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My hunch is Cruz will be well prepared and I predict the next debate may very well hurt Trump. It will also be interesting to see if the other GOPe candidates attack Cruz or if they try to take on Trump.
Well, you presume Trump will not be well prepared :pondering: And if others on the stage "attack" Cruz, so be it. Baptism by fire, my friend, baptism by fire.
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Really do not see TRUMP attacking CRUZ, maybe be the others because they are so low in the polls but TRUMP will be CRUZIN. Even if CRUZ goes after TRUMP he will do a CRUZ and answer politely and short and move on. The MEDIA have been trying to get a FIGHT between TRUMP and CRUZ for months now. Both will address the answers BUT both are to smart to let the MEDIA, RINOGOPe to WIN. The differences between TRUMP and CRUZ can be settled with a coffee break, if that long! :patriot:
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Really do not see TRUMP attacking CRUZ, maybe be the others because they are so low in the polls but TRUMP will be CRUZIN. Even if CRUZ goes after TRUMP he will do a CRUZ and answer politely and short and move on. The MEDIA have been trying to get a FIGHT between TRUMP and CRUZ for months now. Both will address the answers BUT both are to smart to let the MEDIA, RINOGOPe to WIN. The differences between TRUMP and CRUZ can be settled with a coffee break, if that long! :patriot:
??? Trump not attacking Cruz? He is now relentless in bringing focus on Cruz's eligibility. He had at one point made the comment that he would pick Cruz as his VP. So which is it Donald; at one point you think Cruz would be eligible to be your VP but now you are saying he is not eligible to be POTUS? If he's not eligible to be POTUS he isn't eligible to be VP. The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: be a natural-born U.S. citizen; be at least 35 years old and have resided in the U.S. at least 14 years.
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??? Trump not attacking Cruz? He is now relentless in bringing focus on Cruz's eligibility. He had at one point made the comment that he would pick Cruz as his VP. So which is it Donald; at one point you think Cruz would be eligible to be your VP but now you are saying he is not eligible to be POTUS? If he's not eligible to be POTUS he isn't eligible to be VP. The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: be a natural-born U.S. citizen; be at least 35 years old and have resided in the U.S. at least 14 years.
Trump just asked the question? If TRUMP was thinking of Cruz as the VP he or anyone else wants this over with ASAP ? Cruz has to do it and NOW. No one is picking on CRUZ it is just business. If TRUMP did not ask the question you don't think the DEMS would have not? If CRUZ is the candidate or VP this will be a issue like it or not. McCain and MITTENS could have done the same thing with OBAMA but that requires a pair and those were lost years ago in the RINOGOPe. MITTENS should be running for his second term if he had any courage but it takes a non POLITICAN to have a spine. :patriot:
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Read the article (link below). Actually things have gotten quite ridiculous; yet Trump has kept it a focus. Many of the GOP candidates (including Trump) eligibility has been challenged.
...Cullen Fergus, a former state GOP chairman, challenged Donald Trump’s ballot application, arguing that the billionaire businessman’s views don’t align with the Republican Party.
Another challenge came from Robert Laity, a resident of Tonawanda, N.Y., who describes himself as founding president of the Society for the Preservation of Democracy and Human Rights, and who has called Obama a traitor. He challenged four Republicans — Cruz, Sen. Marco Rubio, former Sen. Rick Santorum, and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal — on the grounds that at birth, each had at least one parent who wasn’t a U.S. citizen....
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/regardless-of-canadian-birth-ted-cruz-survives-ballot-challenge-in-new-hampshire.html/
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The Cruz thing is not going away no matter how much he laughs it off or his supporters. IT IS NOT GOING AWAY and CRUZ and his supporters are not dumb people. CRUZ better fix it because HILLARY will not? **nononono*
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The Cruz thing is not going away no matter how much he laughs it off or his supporters. IT IS NOT GOING AWAY and CRUZ and his supporters are not dumb people. CRUZ better fix it because HILLARY will not? **nononono*
...and you really think that the Supreme Court would rule on this in time for the election? Seriously?? You don't think Trump knows this? At this point, I think there is a possibility with all the drama now surfacing, if Cruz doesn't win Iowa or New Hampshire, I look for him to withdraw along with everyone else other than Rubio and Bush.
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...and you really think that the Supreme Court would rule on this in time for the election? Seriously?? You don't think Trump knows this? At this point, I think there is a possibility with all the drama now surfacing, if Cruz doesn't win Iowa or New Hampshire, I look for him to withdraw along with everyone else other than Rubio and Bush.
For those who think TRUMP is after Cruz, nonsense as usual. Other ways Liberty if he wants to?
http://conservativeread.com/trump-on-cruz-birther-issue-ted-has-to-get-this-problem-resolved/
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For those who think TRUMP is after Cruz, nonsense as usual. Other ways Liberty if he wants to?
http://conservativeread.com/trump-on-cruz-birther-issue-ted-has-to-get-this-problem-resolved/
Come on. This is a political maneuver to benefit Trump; not help Cruz as you had earlier implied. It wasn't until Cruz was leading Trump in Iowa and became a threat that Trump decided to make his eligibility a MAJOR focus.
...The lines of an attack on citizenship have been batted around inside the Trump camp for months, though advisers have been torn about how and when they should be employed. ..
...The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that 66% of Trump voters said they would consider supporting Mr. Cruz—far more than other major candidates....
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-targets-ted-cruz-1452420003
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Come on. This is a political maneuver to benefit Trump; not help Cruz as you had earlier implied. It wasn't until Cruz was leading Trump in Iowa and became a threat that Trump decided to make his eligibility a MAJOR focus.
...The lines of an attack on citizenship have been batted around inside the Trump camp for months, though advisers have been torn about how and when they should be employed. ..
...The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that 66% of Trump voters said they would consider supporting Mr. Cruz—far more than other major candidates....
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-targets-ted-cruz-1452420003
CRUZ supporters and TC better wake up and smell the coffee, this is not GOING away no matter how much you try to rationalize it away. It will beat him if he does not do something NOW. The RINOGOPe is laughing like hell at this and are not going to help CRUZ. They are delighted because if CRUZ does not do anything if he wins the nomination he gets a lawsuit by the DEMS and HILLARY. If he loses and this problem is not fixed TRUMP will not pick him as VP. Now that is really what scares the RINOGOPe and LIBS is the TRUMP VP nod. He would win the POTUS after 8 years of TRUMP. That would give 16 years of CONSERVATIVE rule and that would wipe out the RINOS and almost all the LIBS not DEMS but LIBS. If he does NOT address this do you think the SENATE especially the RINOGOPe and let him still have a SENATE seat? Lawsuits will follow , guaranteed. CRUZ is his own enemy and his supporters are helping by not demanding he fix this NOW! CRUZ is a great and good AMERICAN but he has to defend himself. The RINOGOPe could have done this with McCain and MITTENS to OBAMA but they did not have a pair and were afraid to death of the media or the same thing could have been done to OBAMA. Difference is the DEMS play to WIN the RINOGOPe just want to participate. :poohappen:
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The next GOP debate will be held Thursday. I'm sure Trump will be in 'attack' mode and it will be interesting to see how the moderators treat Cruz. I'm sure if the moderators don't raise these questions, Trump will. My hunch is Cruz will be well prepared and I predict the next debate may very well hurt Trump. It will also be interesting to see if the other GOPe candidates attack Cruz or if they try to take on Trump. The one candidate that I feel has the most to gain from questions raised by Trump of Cruz is Rubio.
You are right in assuming that Cruz will be well prepared. Even if Trump is, his knowledge of Constitutional law is nothing more than a spit in the bucket relative to Ted Cruz'.
I hope Cruz nails the ignorant one to the wall in the debate.
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CRUZ supporters and TC better wake up and smell the coffee, this is not GOING away no matter how much you try to rationalize it away. It will beat him if he does not do something NOW. The RINOGOPe is laughing like hell at this and are not going to help CRUZ. They are delighted because if CRUZ does not do anything if he wins the nomination he gets a lawsuit by the DEMS and HILLARY. If he loses and this problem is not fixed TRUMP will not pick him as VP. Now that is really what scares the RINOGOPe and LIBS is the TRUMP VP nod. He would win the POTUS after 8 years of TRUMP. That would give 16 years of CONSERVATIVE rule and that would wipe out the RINOS and almost all the LIBS not DEMS but LIBS. If he does NOT address this do you think the SENATE especially the RINOGOPe and let him still have a SENATE seat? Lawsuits will follow , guaranteed. CRUZ is his own enemy and his supporters are helping by not demanding he fix this NOW! CRUZ is a great and good AMERICAN but he has to defend himself. The RINOGOPe could have done this with McCain and MITTENS to OBAMA but they did not have a pair and were afraid to death of the media or the same thing could have been done to OBAMA. Difference is the DEMS play to WIN the RINOGOPe just want to participate. :poohappen:
But there is really nothing that Cruz can do now, aside from what he is currently doing.
There is no precedent to expect that any court will provide him with a declaratory judgement.
At this point it seems that the only way this moves forward, is *if* a court grants standing to a party that brings suit.
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But there is really nothing that Cruz can do now, aside from what he is currently doing.
There is no precedent to expect that any court will provide him with a declaratory judgement.
At this point it seems that the only way this moves forward, is *if* a court grants standing to a party that brings suit.
Excellent post! And spot on correct! This is NEVER going to be settled unless in court and it's possible even that wont suffice!
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The next GOP debate will be held Thursday. I'm sure Trump will be in 'attack' mode and it will be interesting to see how the moderators treat Cruz. I'm sure if the moderators don't raise these questions, Trump will.
Ah, then you have not been paying attention in the debates. Trump has not been bringing in new issues into the debates or going on the attack at all in them. At most, he's counter-punched but even that has been pretty much just picking on the weakling Bush (and that's probably because Bush is such an easy target and is so roundly disliked because of his last name). He's stayed away from taking direct shots at anyone else and has largely had tepid debate performances - merely picking back up his momentum after the debates are over. He's obviously determined that these debates are not a format that will propel anyone in the pack forward, so he lays back. I would be highly surprised if he does or says anything significant in the debate. He's just going to get through it and past it and then go back to his campaign. Debates will not be significant until they are one on one.
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But there is really nothing that Cruz can do now, aside from what he is currently doing.
There is no precedent to expect that any court will provide him with a declaratory judgement.
At this point it seems that the only way this moves forward, is *if* a court grants standing to a party that brings suit.
How do you know a court will no provide him a declaratory judgment. Play offense, if he tries to get a declaratory judgment on his status or eligibility for POTUS and no court will give him one for whatever reason, he is in one hellva better position by doing something and trying to make something happen than doing what he is doing now, NOTHING and laughing about it? Going and staying on DEFENSE is not going to work. If he was a DEM they would be fighting this by any means possible not doing the basic "Party of Stupid"thing in getting kicked in the arse and thanking then for doing it to him?? :shrug:
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How do you know a court will no provide him a declaratory judgment. Play offense, if he tries to get a declaratory judgment on his status or eligibility for POTUS and no court will give him one for whatever reason, he is in one hellva better position by doing something and trying to make something happen than doing what he is doing now, NOTHING and laughing about it? Going and staying on DEFENSE is not going to work. If he was a DEM they would be fighting this by any means possible not doing the basic "Party of Stupid"thing in getting kicked in the arse and thanking then for doing it to him?? :shrug:
Perhaps because he KNOWS that he is better off just doing what he is doing.
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How do you know a court will no provide him a declaratory judgment. Play offense, if he tries to get a declaratory judgment on his status or eligibility for POTUS and no court will give him one for whatever reason, he is in one hellva better position by doing something and trying to make something happen than doing what he is doing now, NOTHING and laughing about it? Going and staying on DEFENSE is not going to work. If he was a DEM they would be fighting this by any means possible not doing the basic "Party of Stupid"thing in getting kicked in the arse and thanking then for doing it to him?? :shrug:
The reason that it is highly unlikely, is that a petition for a declaratory judgement must typically satisfy the three requirements of constitutional standing.
Over the years, our cases have established that the irreducible constitutional minimum of standing contains three elements.
First, the plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact" -an invasion of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized, and (b) "actual or imminent, not 'conjectural' or 'hypothetical,'"
Second, there must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of-the injury has to be "fairly ... trace[able] to the challenged action of the defendant, and not ... thee] result [of] the independent action of some third party not before the court."
Third, it must be "likely," as opposed to merely "speculative," that the injury will be "redressed by a favorable decision."
Quick Reference: Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife 504 U.S. 555 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/504/555/case.html) (1992)
For any court to make this giant leap to grant standing in a highly charged matter such as this, before there are any actual litigants is just not something that one will reasonably expect.
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Perhaps because he KNOWS that he is better off just doing what he is doing.
Exactly!
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??? Trump not attacking Cruz? He is now relentless in bringing focus on Cruz's eligibility. He had at one point made the comment that he would pick Cruz as his VP. So which is it Donald; at one point you think Cruz would be eligible to be your VP but now you are saying he is not eligible to be POTUS? If he's not eligible to be POTUS he isn't eligible to be VP. The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: be a natural-born U.S. citizen; be at least 35 years old and have resided in the U.S. at least 14 years.
You can thank him after IOWA? :silly:
http://theresurgent.com/did-ted-cruz-pay-donald-trump-to-do-the-birther-attack/
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Trump's mother was born in Scotland and some are saying she hadn't yet been naturalized when she was born. Now you and I both know he is still an NBC, but we know the Democrats will bring this up so he better go ahead and address it. It is probably something he should get a court to settle before he goes any further.
(do I believe this, no, but just following the logic he used with Cruz)
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--This will NOT be settled in a court during this election cycle
--It WILL damage Cruz, probably enough to prevent him from gaining the nomination
--Assuming Trump is the nominee, he wouldn't have chosen Cruz anyway for his running mate, opting instead for better balance (Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Walker, Perry, somebody not mentioned yet, etc.)
My two cents' worth
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Trump's mother was born in Scotland and some are saying she hadn't yet been naturalized when she was born.
No worries. Trump's mother was a naturalized US citizen four years before his birth. So, Trump, born of the land with two American parents is a natural born American citizen.
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--This will NOT be settled in a court during this election cycle
--It WILL damage Cruz, probably enough to prevent him from gaining the nomination
--Assuming Trump is the nominee, he wouldn't have chosen Cruz anyway for his running mate, opting instead for better balance (Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Walker, Perry, somebody not mentioned yet, etc.)
My two cents' worth
it will do real damage to him. The left never stops once it has its teeth in anyone or anything. this will haunt him to his dying days.
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Even if the worst happens and Cruz doesn't get the nomination - he is going to make a magnificent Supreme Court judge for President Trump - and really, that has a much longer lasting effect.
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--This will NOT be settled in a court during this election cycle
--It WILL damage Cruz, probably enough to prevent him from gaining the nomination
--Assuming Trump is the nominee, he wouldn't have chosen Cruz anyway for his running mate, opting instead for better balance (Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Walker, Perry, somebody not mentioned yet, etc.)
My two cents' worth
"Oprah" ... you forgot "O". :silly: