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Title: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:04:18 pm
Developing...

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Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:05:09 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:06:23 pm

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 15, 2016, 08:06:25 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-15/martial-law-declared-turkey-helicopters-military-jets-flying-over-capital-army-tanks (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-15/martial-law-declared-turkey-helicopters-military-jets-flying-over-capital-army-tanks)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:07:03 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:08:29 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: r9etb on July 15, 2016, 08:09:29 pm
A potential coup in Turkey. Military taking over government in a NATO member state... Looks like a dangerous situation

I think this could actually be a good thing.... if I'm correct in thinking that the Turkish military are not Islamist.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:10:05 pm
probably a real bad sign
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Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:10:29 pm


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:11:01 pm
I think this could actually be a good thing.... if I'm correct in thinking that the Turkish military are not Islamist.

maybe, maybe not....

The Turkish government had shown signs of backing off support of Islamist rebels in Syria in the last couple days
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:11:31 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:12:33 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:13:29 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:14:20 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:15:43 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 08:25:19 pm
If I recall correctly, The Turkish military was a moderate stabilizing factor in Turkey like the Egyptian Military was in Egypt.

They couldn't really be much worse than Edrogan.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Mom MD on July 15, 2016, 08:27:45 pm
Ruh Roh.   At least we can count on the petulant child in the White House to do exactly the wrong thing
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: flowers on July 15, 2016, 08:29:14 pm
Ruh Roh.   At least we can count on the petulant child in the White House to do exactly the wrong thing
Yep...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 08:29:36 pm
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXXBvekjGZ

Sound of jet fighters
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 15, 2016, 08:35:08 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3692693/Turkish-military-launch-attempted-coup-depose-government.html
BREAKING NEWS: Turkish military launch attempted coup to depose government as gunfire and low flying jets heard over Ankara

Here's another link to a story on this.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: truth_seeker on July 15, 2016, 08:36:26 pm
Turkey has been NATO member since 1952, and has had military coups (or memorandums as other interventions have been named) in 1960, 1971, 1980, 1993 and 1997.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Turkey
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: flowers on July 15, 2016, 08:37:14 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3692693/Turkish-military-launch-attempted-coup-depose-government.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Chieftain on July 15, 2016, 08:39:09 pm
If I recall correctly, The Turkish military was a moderate stabilizing factor in Turkey like the Egyptian Military was in Egypt.

They couldn't really be much worse than Edrogan.

Constitutionally, the military in Egypt is separate from the civilian government, and something like that in Turkey.  This is being described as a military coup de etat; it is yet to be seen if it will be a bloodless coup or not.  A lot depends on who wants what, and there is a lot going on in Turkey.

Stay tuned....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: flowers on July 15, 2016, 08:40:15 pm
If military does take over....White House will be real mad. I mean real mad. erdegon is obies bff.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:41:03 pm
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXXBvekjGZ

Sound of jet fighters

99 red balloons go by...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 08:43:10 pm
http://news.sky.com/watch-live
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:45:29 pm
Sky News has reported that AFP was told that the top General is being kept tied up as a prisoner on a base.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: livius on July 15, 2016, 08:46:03 pm
If military does take over....White House will be real mad. I mean real mad. erdegon is obies bff.
They just declared - and apparently it's been confirmed on the ground - that they are in charge now.  I have no idea where Edrdogan is, but you're right, Bambi the Islamist won't be happy. I read that US jets are overflying the city, FWIW.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:47:53 pm
Listening to Sky News makes it sound like a small faction tried to carry out a coup.

Hard to determine if the whole army is part of it or just a small part.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: flowers on July 15, 2016, 08:49:06 pm
They just declared - and apparently it's been confirmed on the ground - that they are in charge now.  I have no idea where Edrdogan is, but you're right, Bambi the Islamist won't be happy. I read that US jets are overflying the city, FWIW.
Where did you read US jets overflying
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 08:50:14 pm
Meanwhile at Trump's fortress of psychosis, aides nervously await Glorious Leader's psychotic and likely wrong comments on the reported coup in Turkey. :facepalm2:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:51:22 pm
They just declared - and apparently it's been confirmed on the ground - that they are in charge now.  I have no idea where Edrdogan is, but you're right, Bambi the Islamist won't be happy. I read that US jets are overflying the city, FWIW.

What aircraft does the US have over there, I know F-15's were pulled out in December
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:52:16 pm
Where did you read US jets overflying

I don't think the Turkish military would be allowing that.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: sinkspur on July 15, 2016, 08:52:48 pm
stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens  3m3 minutes ago
There is a coup attempt in NATO country. Meanwhile, an underwear model will be addressing the Republican convention
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 08:54:13 pm
I think the confusion is Turkey's Air Force uses US made F-16s, as well as most other planes in their Air Force they purchase from either us or the UK.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Wingnut on July 15, 2016, 08:54:14 pm
99 red balloons go by...

Luft Balloons?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:54:27 pm
stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens  3m3 minutes ago
There is a coup attempt in NATO country. Meanwhile, an underwear model will be addressing the Republican convention

the coup is apparently successful (so far)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 08:54:51 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/ergodan.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 08:55:15 pm
I think the confusion is Turkey's Air Force uses US made F-16s, as well as most other planes in their Air Force they purchase from either us or the UK.

Any US forces and personnel in Turkey would be confined to base under these circumstances
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Wingnut on July 15, 2016, 08:58:14 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/ergodan.jpg)

Erdogan is a lot like Trump.  He sues people for talking about him! 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 08:59:44 pm
From March of this  year

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/29/us-military-dependents-ordered-leave-turkey/82377984/

The total U.S. military force deployed at Incirlik has grown to nearly 2,500, up from about 1,300 last year, after the Turkish government agreed to let U.S. combat aircraft use the base as a key staging area for air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.

Yet the base's prominent role in the fight against the Islamic State group also raised new security concerns.

In July, worries about extremists targeting U.S. troops and their families prompted military officials to lock down the base and prohibit the roughly 5,000 American troops, civilians and dependents from venturing out to the "American alley" outside the installation's main gate, where troops for years have patronized kabob shops, carpet salesmen and local markets.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 09:00:09 pm
Fairly smart comment by John Kerry.  :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: SunkenCiv on July 15, 2016, 09:03:52 pm
It's about mo-fo'in' time -- and Erdogan and his entire party leadership should be given drumhead trials and executed on TV.  Live vid feed at the first link:

Live  Turkey coup: military attempt to seize power from Erdogan as low flying jets and gunfire heard in Ankara and bridges across Bosphorus in Istanbul closed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/)

'We have taken control': Turkish military launch coup to depose Islamist government of Recep Erdogan as troops round up police, attack the capital, seize all airports and put tanks on the streets (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3692693/Turkish-military-launch-attempted-coup-depose-government.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 09:06:34 pm
Erdogan is a lot like Trump.  He sues people for talking about him!

Have you seen this?
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/31/news-quiz-erdogan-event-trump-rally/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 09:12:47 pm
Remember this?

(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/obamaumbrella.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mlizzy on July 15, 2016, 09:13:25 pm
(((MichiganCruzer))) ‏@RichardJSunkle  21m21 minutes ago
Meanwhile at Trump's fortress of psychosis, aides nervously await Trump's comments on the reported coup in Turkey.

https://twitter.com/RichardJSunkle/status/754054498209923072
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 09:14:09 pm
(((MichiganCruzer))) ‏@RichardJSunkle  21m21 minutes ago
Meanwhile at Trump's fortress of psychosis, aides nervously await Trump's comments on the reported coup in Turkey.

https://twitter.com/RichardJSunkle/status/754054498209923072

That's me BTW :seeya:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:15:00 pm
Fairly smart comment by John Kerry.


shocking!!
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Post by: unknown on July 15, 2016, 09:15:40 pm
Oh really!

The only coup worth anything is one that will bring back the name Constantinople. Until then, it will still be a muslim cesspool!

"From its foundation in the 4th century to the early 13th century, Constantinople was the largest and wealthiest city in Europe." [According to, Norman John Greville, "An Historical Geography of Europe"]

Gee whiz, I wonder what happened in the 13th century that would have started the decline of the "largest and wealthiest city in Europe?"

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: unknown on July 15, 2016, 09:18:56 pm
“Ottomans [Muslims] Were The First to Reach The Moon,” says Turkish President

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottomans-were-the-first-to-reach-the-moon-says-turkish-president/ (http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottomans-were-the-first-to-reach-the-moon-says-turkish-president/)

Mr. Erdogan claimed that Muslim explorers reached the Moon more than 300 years before the beginning of the Apollo program, vowing to build a mosque “in the crater” where they landed.

“It is alleged that the first man to walk on the moon was Neil Armstrong in 1969,” Erdogan said. “In fact, Muslim space explorers reached our satellite 334 years before that, in 1635. Everyone knows the story of the famous aviator, Lagari Hasan Celebi, the “Ottoman Rocket Man”, who made the first successful manned rocket flight in 1633. What you might not know, is that he attempted to reach the moon, two years later, and could very well have succeeded!”

The Turkish President Erdogan continued after hearing snickers and whispers from the audience...

“Why do you not believe it? Because you’ve never believed that a Muslim can do such a thing, ...” “This claim is not new. A number of academics in Turkey and in the rest of the world have made this claim, and I believe they are right. NASA may have destroyed most of the physical evidence of the Ottoman’s success during the Apollo 11 mission, but we’ll try to find any evidence that might have escaped the cover up.”

 :bigsilly:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 09:20:03 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/delta.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mlizzy on July 15, 2016, 09:21:59 pm
That's me BTW :seeya:

Get out! Your Twitter is open on my computer all - day - long! You keep me laughing when everything else is so wrong.....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: ABX on July 15, 2016, 09:22:11 pm
(((MichiganCruzer))) ‏@RichardJSunkle  21m21 minutes ago
Meanwhile at Trump's fortress of psychosis, aides nervously await Trump's comments on the reported coup in Turkey.

https://twitter.com/RichardJSunkle/status/754054498209923072

yes, it is a joke
(http://i67.tinypic.com/30kbos2.jpg)
Title: Turkish Military Says It Has Taken Over Country
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on July 15, 2016, 09:22:12 pm
skynews
21:55, UK, Friday 15 July 2016

http://news.sky.com/story/turkish-military-says-it-has-taken-over-country-10503039


http://wulfanson.blogspot.com
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 09:23:35 pm
yes, it is a joke
(http://i67.tinypic.com/30kbos2.jpg)

LOL Perfect.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:26:20 pm
If they do not arrest the old government, including the supreme court then they aren't doing it right.

When you aim for the big guy, you better not miss
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 09:27:05 pm
yes, it is a joke
 


You had me for five seconds. lol
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mlizzy on July 15, 2016, 09:27:30 pm
yes, it is a joke
(http://i67.tinypic.com/30kbos2.jpg)

 :silly: :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Turkish Military Says It Has Taken Over Country
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2016, 09:27:45 pm
What a world we are living in; it's hard to say, I lean towards this being a good thing, the military is probably more secular. As when the Egyptian Military installed Sisi.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/

Hurriyet, where I go for Turkish news is offline now.

This might be a Valkyrie like strike, not necessarily so that the Govt. has been taken over but they are trying to.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:27:53 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/delta.jpg)

When the threat is highest, they are ordered to become sitting ducks apparently
Title: Re: Turkish Military Says It Has Taken Over Country
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:29:06 pm
also said there will be a new Constitution as soon as possible
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: livius on July 15, 2016, 09:29:36 pm
stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens  3m3 minutes ago
There is a coup attempt in NATO country. Meanwhile, an underwear model will be addressing the Republican convention

LOL! Sort of - I just got back from London, and people were asking me how I felt about our candidates and how, at a moment like this, we could have one who looked like she was or should be in her way to jail and one who could only get his foreign born former "escort" third wife to speak for him.

That said, the report on the US jets appeared briefly on a Twitter feed, but as someone here pointed out, it may have been simply a US made jet belonging to the Egyptian military.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:33:02 pm
"Nationwide Coup"...

How do we know that for sure. For all we know only Istanbul and Ankara are under military occupation
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:34:23 pm
When you demand that the people take to the street to stop the coup, it is a sure sign of desperation.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:37:31 pm
Sky News has a guy saying police might be standing against the military defending prime minister or something like that
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 09:39:29 pm
I think this could actually be a good thing.... if I'm correct in thinking that the Turkish military are not Islamist.

They've always been more secular had a really good working relationship with the U.S. military.

Erdogan has been systematically purging those generals and replacing them with Sharia types.

Sounds like the military decided to put a stop to Erdogan's attempt to play footsie with ISIS.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:40:18 pm
TRT, Turkey state TV is off the air.

Here are some Turkish TV live streams

http://wwitv.com/television/210.htm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 09:40:27 pm
Sky News has a guy saying police might be standing against the military defending prime minister or something like that

The cops won't stand a chance.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:42:51 pm
CNN Turk

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b4689.htm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 09:43:28 pm
Edrogan saying its a coup attempt by islamists but I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:44:36 pm
The cops won't stand a chance.

The Presidential Guard has 2,500 troops apparently. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2016, 09:44:59 pm
Quote
Erdoğan calls on citizens to streets, airports to resist against coup attempt

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said in a phone interview on broadcaster CNNTürk that a "minority group" in the military has attempted a coup.

Erdoğan said the parallel state, referring to the followers of the U.S.-based scholar Fethullah Gülen, has promoted the attempt.

"We will not leave the ground to them," he said, vowing to end the "occupation" by the group, called on nation to unite at squares and airports. Erdoğen said he would also be on the streets.

The move is not as part of the chain of command.

Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım said earlier that Turkey is facing an uprising attempt from inside the army, with the state-run Anadolu Agency reporting that Chief of General Staff Hulusi Akar is being kept as a hostage with a group. Erdoğan neither confirmed nor denied the information, telling that there was an "obscure atmosphere" of information.
More: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-calls-on-citizens-to-streets-airports-to-resist-against-coup-attemp.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101669&NewsCatID=341

Hurriyet came back online.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 09:45:27 pm
Edrogan saying its a coup attempt by islamists but I'm not buying it.

I'm not either. Hes been cozying up to the Islamists to include a helping ISIS sell their oil.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:46:18 pm
Twitter and Facebook etc were blocked for a while too, I don't know if they are up or not
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:47:27 pm
Erdogan making another FaceTime call.

lol
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:48:28 pm


Erdogan is calling for violence when he calls people to take to the street
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 09:48:50 pm
NATO's LANDCOM is headquartered in Izmir.

CG is a U.S. 3 Star General...there is a US Army suport company there to take care of the staff as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:50:32 pm
AFP reporting "strong explosion" heard in Ankara
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 15, 2016, 09:51:17 pm
“Ottomans [Muslims] Were The First to Reach The Moon,” says Turkish President

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottomans-were-the-first-to-reach-the-moon-says-turkish-president/ (http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ottomans-were-the-first-to-reach-the-moon-says-turkish-president/)

Mr. Erdogan claimed that Muslim explorers reached the Moon more than 300 years before the beginning of the Apollo program, vowing to build a mosque “in the crater” where they landed.

“It is alleged that the first man to walk on the moon was Neil Armstrong in 1969,” Erdogan said. “In fact, Muslim space explorers reached our satellite 334 years before that, in 1635. Everyone knows the story of the famous aviator, Lagari Hasan Celebi, the “Ottoman Rocket Man”, who made the first successful manned rocket flight in 1633. What you might not know, is that he attempted to reach the moon, two years later, and could very well have succeeded!”

The Turkish President Erdogan continued after hearing snickers and whispers from the audience...

“Why do you not believe it? Because you’ve never believed that a Muslim can do such a thing, ...” “This claim is not new. A number of academics in Turkey and in the rest of the world have made this claim, and I believe they are right. NASA may have destroyed most of the physical evidence of the Ottoman’s success during the Apollo 11 mission, but we’ll try to find any evidence that might have escaped the cover up.”

 :bigsilly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu
The Chinese might have made it first...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 15, 2016, 09:53:14 pm
That's me BTW :seeya:
I just followed.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:55:07 pm
Military says the nation is now governed by a "Peace Council"
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: unknown on July 15, 2016, 09:55:14 pm
They've always been more secular had a really good working relationship with the U.S. military.

Erdogan has been systematically purging those generals and replacing them with Sharia types.

Sounds like the military decided to put a stop to Erdogan's attempt to play footsie with ISIS.

And we have here in the US...
Obama has been systematically purging those generals and replacing them with ..

[Obama] Purging America’s military
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/12/gordon-transforming-the-us-military/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/12/gordon-transforming-the-us-military/)

Top generals: Obama is 'purging the military'
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/ (http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/)

Disaster: Today's Warrior Purge in the U.S. military  "197 officers purged in the five years [of Obama's presidency"]
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/disaster_todays_warrior_purge_in_the_us_military.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/disaster_todays_warrior_purge_in_the_us_military.html)

Military Purge: Barack H. Obama Says Obey Him, Not the Constitution!  "Obama is purging every branch of the US armed forces at an alarming rate."
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/military-purge-barack-h-obama-says-obey-him-not-the-constitution (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/military-purge-barack-h-obama-says-obey-him-not-the-constitution)



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:56:10 pm
Unconfirmed report by witness of gunfire from helicopter
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 09:58:35 pm
I just followed.

And I gotcha back :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 09:58:55 pm
Unconfirmed report by witness of gunfire from helicopter

Thryve got the W model of the Cobra amd some Apache's as well. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 09:59:08 pm
Tanks passing people holding large flag in roadway...

attached pic

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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:00:33 pm
Now reports of explosions (plural) in Ankara


EU Minister calling on soldiers to disobey orders....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 10:01:52 pm
Now reports of explosions (plural) in Ankara


EU Minister calling on soldiers to disobey orders....

I don't think this is going to go well for Erdogan.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:03:32 pm
I don't think this is going to go well for Erdogan.

He claims to be in charge while calling on the people to take to the streets. Very desperate.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 10:04:29 pm
I don't think this is going to go well for Erdogan.

He's claiming its just a small minority but they have considerable logistical support and air superiority. Its not just a few officers.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:05:14 pm
If the military doesn't arrest the Prime Minister and President, then they will probably fail
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:05:39 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/flynn.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:07:16 pm
Erdogan asks the people to thwart coup

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/asia/turkey-military-action/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:08:40 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/flynn.jpg)

Don't need them. The US should not get involved.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2016, 10:08:45 pm
He claims to be in charge while calling on the people to take to the streets. Very desperate.

If you're reduced to using Face Time to communicate with the citizens of you're NOT in control.

When there are tanks attack helicopters and CAP missions going on...its notnjust a small faction of the military making this happen. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2016, 10:09:40 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 15, 2016, 10:11:51 pm

@MusaabBalchi  1m1 minute ago
It seems that Erdogan is powerless. He is relying on civlians to gain his power back. #Turkey #TurkeyCoup
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:12:04 pm
Don't need them. The US should not get involved.

Uh, US is involved via NaTO.

When was the last time a NATO partner had a coup? Wouldn't that be never?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:12:55 pm
protests... maybe

gunfire took place before feed was cut

gunfire at airport

tanks fired on parliament building

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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:14:24 pm

When was the last time a NATO partner had a coup? Wouldn't that be never?

Turkey has had several.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 15, 2016, 10:14:47 pm

@haris_a1  37s38 seconds ago
Turkish president denied landing his plane at #istanbul airport #TurkeyCoup
#turkey
#tensed
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 10:15:09 pm
Uh, US is involved via NaTO.

When was the last time a NATO partner had a coup? Wouldn't that be never?

Turkey had 2 coups in the 90s alone.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:15:21 pm
Protesting crowds are increasing at the airport and other locations
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:19:03 pm
Erdogan blames coup attempt on the Gulenist movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement
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The Gülen movement is a transnational religious and social movement led by Turkish Islamic scholar and preacher Fethullah Gülen. The movement has no official name but it is usually referred to as Hizmet ("the Service") by its followers and as Cemaat ("the Community/Assembly") by the broader public in Turkey.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:20:12 pm
Turkey had 2 coups in the 90s alone.

Thanks. Any others?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:21:02 pm
reports suggest that loyalists may be regaining control
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:21:56 pm
Thanks. Any others?

    1913 Ottoman coup d'état
    1960 Turkish coup d'état
    1971 Turkish military memorandum
    1980 Turkish coup d'état
    1993 alleged Turkish military coup
    1997 Turkish military memorandum
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 15, 2016, 10:24:37 pm
Erdogan blames coup attempt on the Gulenist movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement

Thanks for the link! When I saw reports that Erdogan was blaming the Gulenists, I thought they might be more radical Islamists... but the Wiki entry makes them sound more like the fabled "moderate Muslims" that everyone keeps waiting for.   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:26:23 pm
The crowds in the live feeds are getting bigger.

Especially Taksim Square and the airport.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:27:54 pm
helicopters reportedly fired upon the National Intelligence building or something.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Wingnut on July 15, 2016, 10:32:30 pm
Have you seen this?
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/31/news-quiz-erdogan-event-trump-rally/

Oh My!  LOL.   Go figure.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
Islamist Edrogan apologist flapping her gums about a tiny minority staging a coup.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:34:34 pm
Islamist Edrogan apologist flapping her gums about a tiny minority staging a coup.

The crowds are getting quite large. Violence could follow.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: 240B on July 15, 2016, 10:36:29 pm
If this really is a takeover by moderate Muslims, you can be sure that Obama is already trying to find a way to stop them. It is clear to anyone with eyes to see that Obama supports and defends radical Muslim theocratic dictatorships as is enforced in Iran, and does not like moderate more Western regimes like in Egypt and Israel.

Obama does not support rule by Moderate Muslims and he certainly does not want any kind of 'rule by the people'. He is going to try to stop this popular movement and to put his Muslim Brotherhood in control somehow.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:38:20 pm
Sky News says it won't show any violence.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:38:52 pm
Sources told NBC News that Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish president, was seeking asylum in Germany amid the chaos. Erdogan’s office has declined to officially state his whereabouts but he is said to be safe.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/significant-military-presence-turkey-troops-block-bridges/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Wingnut on July 15, 2016, 10:39:57 pm
    1913 Ottoman coup d'état
    1960 Turkish coup d'état
    1971 Turkish military memorandum
    1980 Turkish coup d'état
    1993 alleged Turkish military coup
    1997 Turkish military memorandum

A classic model for a stable government in the middle east.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:43:01 pm
A classic model for a stable government in the middle east.

It sure is, even if they want to pretend to be more European than middle east
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:43:18 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/mosques.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Bigun on July 15, 2016, 10:43:55 pm
If this really is a takeover by moderate Muslims, you can be sure that Obama is already trying to find a way to stop them. It is clear to anyone with eyes to see that Obama supports and defends radical Muslim theocratic dictatorships as is enforced in Iran, and does not like moderate more Western regimes like in Egypt and Israel.

Obama does not support rule by Moderate Muslims and he certainly does not want any kind of 'rule by the people'. He is going to try to stop this popular movement and to put his Muslim Brotherhood in control somehow.

Absolutely right on all counts!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:44:22 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/mosques.jpg)

How helpful. not.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 10:45:39 pm
It sure is, even if they want to pretend to be more European than middle east

Seventh grade (some many years ago) they called Turkey The Sick Man of Europe.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 10:47:06 pm
How helpful. not.

The call for terrorism has gone out.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:47:49 pm
video showing people running, crouching behind cars as bus drives through traffic barricade (not a military barricade)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mystery-ak on July 15, 2016, 10:49:49 pm
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/turkey-coup-president-erdogan/2016/07/15/id/738944/

Turkey's Erdogan Urges Supporters to Take to Streets in Protest of Coup
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Gefn on July 15, 2016, 10:50:14 pm
(((MichiganCruzer))) ‏@RichardJSunkle  21m21 minutes ago
Meanwhile at Trump's fortress of psychosis, aides nervously await Trump's comments on the reported coup in Turkey.

https://twitter.com/RichardJSunkle/status/754054498209923072


Might they be "gobble gobble?" (I'm not a comedian, but I tried)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 10:54:29 pm
crowds drop at gunfire, then stand and boo and drop again when new shots fired

Maybe they needed to bring teargas
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 10:55:01 pm
Hell of a fitness routine they have going on there.

Gunfire erupts and everybody squats. Gunfire stops and everybody stand and raise their arms. Gunfire erupts....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:02:32 pm
Reuters reports NTV reports that pro-Erdogan fighter jet has shot down coup helicopter
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mystery-ak on July 15, 2016, 11:05:20 pm
Reuters reports NTV reports that pro-Erdogan fighter jet has shot down coup helicopter

Looks like this coup is falling apart...whoever started it better get the hell out of Turkey
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 15, 2016, 11:05:32 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/fire.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:06:23 pm
Looks like this coup is falling apart...whoever started it better get the hell out of Turkey

They seem to be losing control. They apparently were ill-prepared to disperse large crowds. They may have the air force against them.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: HonestJohn on July 15, 2016, 11:07:53 pm
Uh, US is involved via NaTO.

When was the last time a NATO partner had a coup? Wouldn't that be never?

1997... with the last coup in Turkey.

I'm pretty sure Greece is worried, though.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 15, 2016, 11:08:20 pm
Lots of propaganda flying now.

Going to be a while before we really know what's actually going on.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:10:13 pm
reports that some kind of Police HQ attacked by helicopter with 17 officers dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Lando Lincoln on July 15, 2016, 11:10:50 pm
Lots of propaganda flying now.

Going to be a while before we really know what's actually going on.

Yes. Both sides will be desparately ruthless in the meantime.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:13:40 pm
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/07/16/world/16turkey-blog-12/16turkey-blog-12-tmagArticle.jpg)

protesters climb on tank, attack Commander
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:16:02 pm

Political News
The Latest: Report: Planes target coup-makers' helicopters

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ANKARA, Turkey — The Latest on what appears to be an attempted military coup in Turkey (all times local):

2:00 a.m.

State-run Anadolu Agency says Turkish Air Force planes are flying above Ankara to strike at helicopters that are being used by those attempting the coup.

Private NTV television reported that F-16 jets have brought down a Sikorsky helicopter, but didn't provide any details.

NTV also showed what it said were images from a police station in Istanbul, showing military officers allegedly detained by police.

Meanwhile, the commander of Turkey's military special forces, Gen. Zekai Aksakalli, said "those who are attempting a coup will not succeed."

He told NTV television by telephone: "Our people should know that we will overcome this... We are in control of the situation."

Read more at http://www.wral.com/the-latest-report-turkish-military-says-it-s-taken-control/15854267/#dHtRMqYlGt2SR5Qd.99
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2016, 11:17:38 pm
It makes one wonder where the Kurds fit in this; they are probably for the coup I'd say. It sounds like they are oppressed.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:27:48 pm
Quote
We encourage U.S. citizens to shelter in place and do not go to the U.S. Embassy or Consulates at this time.

US issues statement to Americans in Turkey
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 15, 2016, 11:28:52 pm
It makes one wonder where the Kurds fit in this; they are probably for the coup I'd say. It sounds like they are oppressed.


My guess they are staying out of the coup..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 15, 2016, 11:31:09 pm

@AruAcid  2m2 minutes ago
Obama & Merkel have talked. The #TurkeyCoup will be definitely a #TurkeyCoupAttempt.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 15, 2016, 11:31:36 pm
So I guess THanksgiving is canceled?  8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:32:44 pm
I do not know how reliable this site might be...

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160716/1043083925/turkey-f16-helicopter-civilians-coup.html

Quote
Additionally, Turkish government officials report that a government F-16 has shot down a helicopter used by the military coup plotters. Ankara blames the coup attempt on Gulenists and says that it is a minority of the military who are behind this.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CncULbBXEAQygk1.jpg)

reported to be remains of pro-coup helicopter shot down by pro-regime fighter jet.

I'm calling this image FAKE


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:35:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB10FAzF9f0

supposed to be pro-coup helicopter attacking....

#undebunkable

(probably fake)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 15, 2016, 11:38:01 pm
Erdogan is proMuzzy right?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: truth_seeker on July 15, 2016, 11:38:56 pm
Uh, US is involved via NaTO.

When was the last time a NATO partner had a coup? Wouldn't that be never?

Five times, in Turkey, since Turkey joined NATO.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 15, 2016, 11:40:34 pm
Obama: All parties in Turkey should support Erdogan gov't

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2dcbe086e94145cbab93f5026270b44f/obama-all-parties-turkey-should-support-erdogan-govt (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2dcbe086e94145cbab93f5026270b44f/obama-all-parties-turkey-should-support-erdogan-govt)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Crazieman on July 15, 2016, 11:43:12 pm
Erdogan is proMuzzy right?

Very pro-muzzy.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 15, 2016, 11:44:28 pm
Very pro-muzzy.

So who should I be cheering for in that helicopter footage?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:46:31 pm
So who should I be cheering for in that helicopter footage?

I think it was fake, though.

It looks like at least one helicopter has been downed by pro-Erdogan Air Force jets
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 15, 2016, 11:47:25 pm
I think it was fake, though.

It looks like at least one helicopter has been downed by pro-Erdogan Air Force jets

Really? Looked real to me.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 15, 2016, 11:47:32 pm

‏@RudolfMaata  8m8 minutes ago
Ankara is turning into a shooting range. An attack on turkish parlament was launched. Is this start of a civil war? #TurkeyCoup #Turkey


@tholtmedia  9m9 minutes ago
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish national intelligence spokesman says coup attempt has been `repelled" #TurkeyCoup
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:50:58 pm
‏@RudolfMaata  8m8 minutes ago
Ankara is turning into a shooting range. An attack on turkish parlament was launched. Is this start of a civil war? #TurkeyCoup #Turkey


@tholtmedia  9m9 minutes ago
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish national intelligence spokesman says coup attempt has been `repelled" #TurkeyCoup


They need to make up their minds.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mystery-ak on July 15, 2016, 11:52:49 pm
FUBAR is all that comes to mind..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:54:30 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CncYzB4UEAARob4.jpg:large)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 15, 2016, 11:54:54 pm
All civilians in support of erdogan should be executed immediately.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:56:07 pm
Some Twitter users are saying the video of the attack was real, but I am not convinced
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Oceander on July 15, 2016, 11:58:12 pm


Viz. NATO:  will Turkey invoke the Treaty is self-defense?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:59:29 pm
some soldiers appear to have been "captured" by police

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnccH3cUAAAcPs5.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 15, 2016, 11:59:59 pm
Viz. NATO:  will Turkey invoke the Treaty is self-defense?

does not apply to internal matters
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 16, 2016, 12:00:21 am
Car getting run over by tank:

https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/754094815038636032
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: mystery-ak on July 16, 2016, 12:03:21 am
some soldiers appear to have been "captured" by police

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnccH3cUAAAcPs5.jpg)

Fox keeps showing those pics
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 12:08:22 am
I'm seeing one place calling it a failed coup now; we will see. So much has been at least, contemplated in this thread.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 12:15:52 am
Quote
El Servicio de Inteligencia de Turquía ha dado por fracasada la intentona golpista que ha vivido el país, aunque ha indicado que aún quedan algunas bolsas de resistencia por parte de los militares rebeldes, que serán juzgados por traición.
http://www.marca.com/mundo-marca/2016/07/15/57894e3f22601da8108b4592.html

Turkish Intellgence saying coup is failing but the intelligence is the government so they might say so, now that I think about it.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: sinkspur on July 16, 2016, 12:27:00 am
Well, the plotters decided to bypass the rules committee and go right for the coup.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 16, 2016, 12:27:07 am

@wikileaks
#TurkeyCoup attempt appears to have failed. State TV is back in government hands




If so, I think this is the worst coup ever.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 12:33:48 am
Parliament hit by 2 bombs; I'd heard that per Turkish news and now, on fox.

One has to remember, the govt. of course, will say the coup is failing. Good luck to the Army.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:03:04 am
Parliament building bombed - unconfirmed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nX7K9DYig


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CNN Turk evacuates studios as military arrives
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:03:56 am
Parliament hit by 2 bombs; I'd heard that per Turkish news and now, on fox.

One has to remember, the govt. of course, will say the coup is failing. Good luck to the Army.

everyone thinks jets but helicopter hellfire missiles etc could have been used
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 16, 2016, 01:04:55 am
Hate to admit this but if the coup leaders wanted to get on the side of the people they seem to have failed.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:07:00 am
was Parliament even in session or was this fake....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PStXcCMHsaQ
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Wingnut on July 16, 2016, 01:08:18 am
Hate to admit this but if the coup leaders wanted to get on the side of the people they seem to have failed.

So, would you call this a "coupe de gras"?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 16, 2016, 01:09:07 am
was Parliament even in session or was this fake....


The coup started in the middle of the night so they probably weren't in session.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:10:06 am
Prime Minister declares No Fly zone over Ankara
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:11:44 am
France 24 declares a running gunbattle inside the Presidential Palace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosts9vN6Os
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 01:12:17 am
Too bad.

Note this story says the "coup attempters got hit by a bomb at the Turkish Parliament".
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Situation largely under control after coup attempt: Turkish PM

Situation largely under control after Turkey coup attempt by a group of soldiers, Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım has said.

The press secretary of Turkish intel agency MİT also said the situation was “back to normal” after the attempt that emerged in key state and military buildings in both Istanbul and the capital city of Ankara. 

“The coup has been fired back,” Nuh Yılmaz said.

The state-run broadcaster, TRT, which was taken over by the coup plotters, was retaken by the security forces.

The plotters, who named themselves the “Peace in the Country Council,” had forced a TRT speaker to read a declaration, claiming to take the power in the country.
 
However, unrest continued in a few spots, including the Boshporus Bridge, which was closed by the plotters.

The coup attempters hit by bomb Turkish parliament, Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency said.

Deputies in parliament also confirmed an explosion.

More: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/situation-largely-under-control-after-coup-attempt-turkish-pm-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101669&NewsCatID=341

Again, Turkish Intelligence says this, so can we count on it really? Propaganda mentioned in this thread? Or just holding out hope?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:14:59 am
Then maybe the Air Force is still pro-Erdogan
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:16:44 am
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Breaking: Senior Turkey official says one journalist reported shot in takeover of @CNNTurk by coup plotters. Journalists' phones seized.

Pro-government protesters are now said to be taking over CNN Turk
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 01:17:51 am
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Former legal advisor Muharrem Kose 'mastermind' of coup attempt: State-run media

State-run media is reporting that a former legal advisor to the General Staff, which presides over the military, was behind the coup attempt.

Anadulo news agency named Col. Muharrem Kose, who was recently sacked, as the coup's "mastermind".

At least three other co-conspirators are believed to be complicit in the plot, the agency added.

Live Blog: Middle Eastern Eye: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/live-blog-military-coup-turkey-456377777
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:19:18 am
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Erdogan appears in public

Turkish President Erdogan has appeared among crowds of supporters outside Istanbul airport, NTV footage shows.

So that's where he was hiding.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Mom MD on July 16, 2016, 01:21:00 am
So that's where he was hiding.

I heard on Fox he had been vacationing outside the country and had just landed
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:21:18 am
Ralph Peters said God Bless the Coup... says those are the "good guys"

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:23:26 am
pulled off the Tweeter

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S K ‏@nolesfan2011 1m1 minute ago

Erdogan may have plotted a weak but believable coup against himself.. he's that much of a lunatic #turkey #turkeycoup
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:24:46 am
Live Blog: Middle Eastern Eye: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/live-blog-military-coup-turkey-456377777

I would say Col. Kose might want to pack a bag and move quickly
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 01:25:43 am
Too darn bad, one news outlet is declaring the Coup fails.    **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:31:51 am
3 Min ago


'Arrests under way'

Many arrests of military officers are under way and it will go higher up the ranks, Erdogan says. He says he will finish the cleansing of the military.



10 Min Ago
Erdogan addresses the media

After the earlier recorded statement from Erdogan, the president is now addressing the media.

He says the uprising was an act of treason and those responsible will pay a heavy price.

It was carried out by a minority within the military who can't stomach unity of the country, Erdogan says.

He says the uprising will be a reason to clean up the army.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:37:12 am
2:30AM
Coup 'directed from Pennsylvania'

He (Erdogan) reiterates that he is head of a democratically elected government and will never abandon it. He said coup plotters were "being told what to do from Pennsylvania" - a reference to the reclusive cleric Fethullah Gulen.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 01:50:39 am


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Parliament Speaker Ismail Kahraman says a bomb hit one corner of a public relations building inside the parliament complex, injuring some police officers.

He says there are no fatalities and that all legislators are safe at a parliamentary shelter.

Meanwhile in Istanbul, an official at the president's office says more than 50 military officers have been arrested in Istanbul and large crowds have carried out multiple citizen arrests.

Turkish TV channels are broadcasting scenes of soldiers being escorted away by policemen.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 02:19:58 am
130+ military personnel arrested, General Killed

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The Int'l Spectator (@intlspectator)
2 mins ago - View on Twitter
BREAKING: General who helped orchestrate Turkey coup attempt has been killed
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: SunkenCiv on July 16, 2016, 04:09:03 am
Erdogan was rumored to have fled the country, more likely seems like he was on his way somewhere and turned around when he learned of the uprising.

Turkish President Erdogan's FaceTime interview mocked as premier turned into dog with Snapchat meme (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkish-president-erdogans-facetime-interview-8431899?service=responsive)

Erdogan Has Nobody to Blame for the Coup But Himself (http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/15/erdogan-has-nobody-to-blame-for-the-coup-but-himself/)

Erdogan gives Turkish military immunity (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/turkish-military-given-immunity-as-erdogan-seeks-allies-3fcpwc2jk)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 04:17:56 am
Erdogan could have staged this weak coup himself to justify repression against his opponents too. I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Chieftain on July 16, 2016, 04:34:47 am
"Revolutions without firing squads are meaningless." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Let's see who get shot and who does the shooting....

 :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: The_Reader_David on July 16, 2016, 12:54:16 pm

The Turkish government had shown signs of backing off support of Islamist rebels in Syria in the last couple days

There have been Turkish coups before, and they were almost always to enforce Ataturk's notion of secular democracy.  In the present circumstance, with Erdogan threatening Ataturks' legacy, a coup in Turkey would probably be a good thing.

Unfortunately, what seems to have actually happened -- a failed coup -- is definitely a very bad thing.  It will allow a cull of the secularists in the Turkish army and put Erdogan's version of Islamism even more firmly in control.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: SirLinksALot on July 16, 2016, 02:12:59 pm
People's Power defeats Turkish military coup, 161 dead

SOURCE: http://www.abplive.in/world-news/peoples-power-defeats-turkish-military-coup-161-dead-382148 (http://www.abplive.in/world-news/peoples-power-defeats-turkish-military-coup-161-dead-382148)



Ankara: President Recep Tayyip Erdogan declared on Saturday he was in command of Turkey after thousands of civilians took on army units that had staged a coup, leaving 161 people dead and the country shaken.

Nearly 1,500 people, policemen included, were also injured in the coup attempt that began on Friday night. By Saturday morning, the military was beaten back by “People’s Power” and 2,839 officers and soldiers were detained, Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said.

President Erdogan called the attempted military coup against his government an “act of treason” and vowed to his supporters that the coup plotters will pay for the chaos.

After landing in Istanbul’s Ataturk Airport, he said in a televised speech: “This is a movement of treason and an insurgency. Let me tell you they will pay a heavy price for this treason.”

In a separate televised address, Yildirim dubbed the coup backers as terrorists and said the nation had answered their attempt effectively, the Guardian reported. “Turkish law will now deal with coup plotters.”

Chaos prevailed on Friday night amid reports that soldiers were trying to take control of bridges and key areas in major cities. Army helicopters began air strikes and shelled key locations in the capital Ankara.

Bombs struck near the Turkish Grand Assembly. Airborne shelling at several locations included the ruling AK Party headquarters, the presidential complex and the General Staff, Anadolu News Agency said.

A faction of the army had earlier declared that a “Peace Council” was running the country and there would be curfew and martial law. It said it launched the coup “to ensure and restore constitutional order, democracy, human rights and freedom”.

Media reports said most of the dead were civilians, who poured on to the streets in response to calls from the President and confronted the troops, who opened fire. The police also sided with the people.

The President blamed Fethullah Gulen, a high-profile political figure and religious scholar based in the US, for the coup, CNN reported.

“If you have the courage, come back to your country. If you can. You will not have the means to turn this country into a mess from where you are,” he thundered.

As Erdogan concluded his speech, thousands of people chanted and sang: “One nation, One flag, One motherland.”

Gulen, however, denied he was behind the attempted coup.

“I condemn, in the strongest terms, the attempted military coup in Turkey,” he said. “The government should be won through a process of free and fair elections, not force.”

Gulen’s movement promotes a version of Islam that embraces science, education and interfaith dialogue, earning him millions of followers but also the suspicion of many in Turkey’s establishment.

General Hulusi Akar, head of the armed forces, was taken hostage by the coup plotters but later freed. The Prime Minister earlier said Umit Dündar would be the new acting chief of military staff.

During the coup attempt, Istanbul’s Ataturk airport – where more than 40 people were killed in suicide attacks on June 28 – was seized by the rebels. But officers loyal to the government took it back.

Broadcaster CNN-Turk was back on air, having been closed down on Friday night when soldiers entered the building and ordered journalists to leave.

State broadcaster TRT was also taken off air by coup backers.

Later, the surrender of one unit of 60 soldiers on one of Istanbul’s bridges was shown live on TV on Saturday morning. This happened after one of the helicopters being flown by rebels was shot down in Ankara.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 02:20:46 pm
Ralph Peterson was saying you have a coup where you can arrest the leader, Erdogan. Not where he isn't around where he wasn't in this case.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: bolobaby on July 16, 2016, 03:48:36 pm
The failure of this coup is a crying shame. This will embolden Islamicists across the entire Middle East.

Or... maybe it's not...

Maybe the Islamicists need to be emboldened so that we can force the inevitable confrontation that is coming. Maybe this will allow them to rise just enough to be pushed HARD from their pedestal by Western powers.

God knows.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 16, 2016, 04:05:25 pm
The failure of this coup is a crying shame. This will embolden Islamicists across the entire Middle East.

Or... maybe it's not...

Maybe the Islamicists need to be emboldened so that we can force the inevitable confrontation that is coming. Maybe this will allow them to rise just enough to be pushed HARD from their pedestal by Western powers.

God knows.

My best guess is this another domino falling toward the inevitable world wide Holy War that will happen within the next 100 years.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 16, 2016, 04:30:29 pm
The failure of this coup is a crying shame. This will embolden Islamicists across the entire Middle East.

Or... maybe it's not...

Maybe the Islamicists need to be emboldened so that we can force the inevitable confrontation that is coming. Maybe this will allow them to rise just enough to be pushed HARD from their pedestal by Western powers.

God knows.

Seeing reports that at least some of the soldiers were beheaded so the tipping point may come sooner rather than later.

After all, millions of Turks oppose islamist rule and Edrogan is prodding a very tender spot.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 06:50:02 pm
There have been Turkish coups before, and they were almost always to enforce Ataturk's notion of secular democracy.  In the present circumstance, with Erdogan threatening Ataturks' legacy, a coup in Turkey would probably be a good thing.

Unfortunately, what seems to have actually happened -- a failed coup -- is definitely a very bad thing.  It will allow a cull of the secularists in the Turkish army and put Erdogan's version of Islamism even more firmly in control.

I am starting to think Erdogan did a fake coup as a pretext
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: bolobaby on July 16, 2016, 07:09:06 pm
Seeing reports that at least some of the soldiers were beheaded so the tipping point may come sooner rather than later.

After all, millions of Turks oppose islamist rule and Edrogan is prodding a very tender spot.

The shameful part is always that the "millions of muslims who oppose" are almost always dead silent when they are needed the most.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 16, 2016, 07:10:33 pm
The shameful part is always that the "millions of muslims who oppose" are almost always dead silent when they are needed the most.

10 years from now when they have a Iran type of government, I hope they remember today.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: geronl on July 16, 2016, 07:12:28 pm
The shameful part is always that the "millions of muslims who oppose" are almost always dead silent when they are needed the most.


very true
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Post by: Wingnut on July 16, 2016, 07:36:47 pm
Seventh grade (some many years ago) they called Turkey The Sick Man of Europe.
@don-o

I found this interesting and related to your school year yuteage! 
Turkey: The sick man of Europe, once again.
http://atimes.com/2016/07/the-sick-man-of-europe-once-again/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 16, 2016, 07:43:02 pm
@don-o

I found this interesting and related to your school year yuteage! 
Turkey: The sick man of Europe, once again.
http://atimes.com/2016/07/the-sick-man-of-europe-once-again/

In a few years 7th graders will know Turkey as the open barnyard gate of Islam.
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Post by: Cripplecreek on July 16, 2016, 07:57:43 pm
The shameful part is always that the "millions of muslims who oppose" are almost always dead silent when they are needed the most.

True but reason seldom acts with the same speed as blind emotion. Look at the way Egypt played out.

Emotion stirred millions to demand that Hosni Mubarak be removed from office with the emotion being reinforced from abroad (Obama in the jumbotron in Tahrir Square) With that emotion still being propped up from abroad, they foolishly elected Morsi. After the election of Morsi that outside influence began to fade and the voices of reason within Egypt began to grow and overwhelmed the muslim brotherhood and before they knew it, Al Sisi was in power.

(http://i.imgur.com/NUtYgiT.png)

In a sense its similar to the warning Sam Houston issued against the civil war in the USA. He said southerners are fiery and impulsive while calling northerners calculating and determined.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: don-o on July 16, 2016, 09:12:21 pm
@don-o

I found this interesting and related to your school year yuteage! 
Turkey: The sick man of Europe, once again.
http://atimes.com/2016/07/the-sick-man-of-europe-once-again/

Black Turks / White Turks. Very interesting.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 09:38:12 pm
@geronl

If it wasn't mentioned, it looks like the possible ploy of Erdogan staging the coup himself is in the mainstream press today and was mentioned by one forum member last night, 2 times. I am reading up on the posts now, so maybe others mentioned this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693729/Did-Erdogan-STAGE-coup-based-Turkish-cleric-facing-extradition-botched-rebellion-claims-president-orchestrated-plot-justify-clampdown-civil-rights.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2016, 09:41:27 pm
I am starting to think Erdogan did a fake coup as a pretext

Per above posting by me.

I guess it is possible, too bad leaders would actually sacrifice their own men.

Also, Russia is making up with Turkey, Israel and Turkey have relations.

Complex.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 16, 2016, 10:10:59 pm
My best guess is this another domino falling toward the inevitable world wide Holy War that will happen within the next 100 years.

My best guess is that Obama is assessing how to make the same changes in this country.

He would delight in rounding up all those conservatives he was unable to get to by the IRS and suspend their liberties.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a nationwide military martial law declared by Turkish Army.
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 16, 2016, 11:09:08 pm
My best guess is that Obama is assessing how to make the same changes in this country.

He would delight in rounding up all those conservatives he was unable to get to by the IRS and suspend their liberties.

I suspect Obama is figuring out how to deport Fethullah Gülen to Turkey for speedy execution. He's muslim cleric but has a long history of supporting a secular democracy in Turkey.

In other news...

Egypt blocks U.N. call to respect 'democratically elected' government in Turkey

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-un-idUSKCN0ZW0ZN?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563