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Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows
By: Leo Shane III   1 day ago
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We asked our active duty readers about everything from Space Force to their support of the president and whether we should keep sending forces to Iraq - and here's what they said.
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s approval rating among active-duty military personnel has slipped over the last two years, leaving today’s troops evenly split over whether they’re happy with the commander in chief’s job performance, according to the results of a new Military Times poll of active-duty service members.
About 44 percent of troops had a favorable view of Trump’s presidency, the poll showed, compared to 43 percent who disapproved.
The results from the survey, conducted over the course of September and October, suggest a gradual decline in troops’ support of Trump since he was elected in fall 2016, when a similar Military Times poll showed that 46 percent of troops approved of Trump compared to 37 percent who disapproved. That nine-point margin of support now appears gone.
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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/)
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I don't believe that. Trump has been supportive of the armed forces.
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Like I'm going to listen to the rabid communist rants of the Military Times!!!
The Troops don't like entertaining a bloated petulant brat? Then they are not invited to his next military parade.
If they can't appreciate the shmoozing Trump dazzled Kim Jong-Un, Putin, and Saudi King Abdulaziz with, then they are jealous haters and enemies of the people.
#Screw the Military #MAGA #Mattis is a rat
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Why do so many members here waste So much of everyone's time posting Alice In Wonderland, Democrat wishful thinking/PR?
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Why do so many members here waste So much of everyone's time posting Alice In Wonderland, Democrat wishful thinking/PR?
I dunno. They should be posting more baiting mantras like it did, proud boy.
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Why do so many members here waste So much of everyone's time posting Alice In Wonderland, Democrat wishful thinking/PR?
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Perhaps you’d be so kind as to provide a list of acceptable news sources?
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Why do so many members here waste So much of everyone's time posting Alice In Wonderland, Democrat wishful thinking/PR?
So you are claiming the Military Times is a pro-dim rag? Hmmmmmm
Did you see the graphic on same poll how loved Mattis is by the troops? Think they might be related?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sightline_Media_Group
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I can see that happening, maybe. The military today is so ultra-PC that many vets on this board would not recognize it today. With all the mandatory seminars on sexual harassment and homosexual appreciation etc., the crazy insane ROEs and such. It drives out a lot of patriots and Republicans.
I am not saying this is accurate, but it would not surprise me if it is.
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I am not saying this is accurate, but it would not surprise me if it is.
Final result doesn't surprise me, its the trend the past few years that does.
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I can see that happening, maybe. The military today is so ultra-PC that many vets on this board would not recognize it today. With all the mandatory seminars on sexual harassment and homosexual appreciation etc., the crazy insane ROEs and such. It drives out a lot of patriots and Republicans.
I am not saying this is accurate, but it would not surprise me if it is.
The leadership is way too PC but that is slowly being taken care of. Rank and file probably supports Trump, in my opinion.
And what is the point of a story like this which is unprovable and has no real-world meaning, except to try and discredit Trump which is an exercise in futility and annoying futility at that.
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And I'm supposed to swallow that This is representative of our entire military?
Polls can be designed to give the pollsters any outcome they want.
And I'm calling bs on this one.
The survey received 829 responses from active-duty troops. The IVMF used standard methodology to estimate the weights for each individual observation of the survey sample. The margin of error for most questions was roughly 2 percent.
The survey audience was 89 percent male and 11 percent female, and had an average age of about 31 years old. The respondents identified themselves as 76 percent white, 13 percent Hispanic, 9 percent African American, 5 percent Asian and 6 percent other ethnicities. Respondents were able to select more than one race.
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So you are claiming the Military Times is a pro-dim rag? Hmmmmmm
Did you see the graphic on same poll how loved Mattis is by the troops? Think they might be related?
I think it is undeniable that the troops love Mattis and he is the best of best in the military. I think Republicans were driving the oust of Mattis because he wanted to fill positions with Democrats.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/mattis-defense-hill-republicans-obama-236329 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/mattis-defense-hill-republicans-obama-236329)
Mattis responds:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jim-mattis-responds-to-trump-calling-him-sort-of-a-democrat-2018-10 (https://www.businessinsider.com/jim-mattis-responds-to-trump-calling-him-sort-of-a-democrat-2018-10)
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Is this the same military that is now nothing but a social experiment in faggotry, crossdressing and feeling good?
(https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/191/277/shared_link/GettyImages-457546456.jpg?1499731400)
Transgender Men in Women's Showers Must Get 'Dignity and Respect,' Says U.S. Army
https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army)
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Comments by Gingrich. Refers to Comrade O' Rourke
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkJ8imdlus&t=20s#)
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Is this the same military that is now nothing but a social experiment in faggotry, crossdressing and feeling good?
Yup, that's the one.
Wonder how many cross-dressing perverts and political appointees during the reign of His Heinous were responsible for providing the majority of the feedback in the poll?
I doubt the confused pervs in this photo are real big Trump fans.
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But who knows? Maybe they are?
That treat there second from left looks like the love child of Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Ruth Buzzi
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The leadership is way too PC but that is slowly being taken care of. Rank and file probably supports Trump, in my opinion.
And what is the point of a story like this which is unprovable and has no real-world meaning, except to try and discredit Trump which is an exercise in futility and annoying futility at that.
I was a member of the "rank and file", as you call it...I made it as far as Captain, and never considered myself more than an "average" officer. I respect the Office of President, but despise the bullying and amoral man that is Donald J Trump.
I voted for Carter, mainly because I detested the pardon that Ford gave Nixon. Although Carter was a weak and ineffective President, I never voiced my disdain for him. I was too busy as a lieutenant in the early days of the all volunteer force.
I did advocate for Reagan in the weeks leading up to the 1980 election, but only in discussions with my German neighbors at the neighborhood gasthaus. They were certain that Reagan would start WWIII. I was nearing the end of my 4th year in Germany, so my German was quite good by then. All of our discussions/debates were in German. Imagine that, a 26 YO American educating his middle aged German neighbors in their language.
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I was a member of the "rank and file", as you call it...I made it as far as Captain, and never considered myself more than an "average" officer. I respect the Office of President, but despise the bullying and amoral man that is Donald J Trump.
I voted for Carter, mainly because I detested the pardon that Ford gave Nixon. Although Carter was a weak and ineffective President, I never voiced my disdain for him. I was too busy as a lieutenant in the early days of the all volunteer force.
I did advocate for Reagan in the weeks leading up to the 1980 election, but only in discussions with my German neighbors at the neighborhood gasthaus. They were certain that Reagan would start WWIII. I was nearing the end of my 4th year in Germany, so my German was quite good by then. All of our discussions/debates were in German. Imagine that, a 26 YO American educating his middle aged German neighbors in their language.
Is that you, Barack? *****rollingeyes*****
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And I'm supposed to swallow that This is representative of our entire military?
Polls can be designed to give the pollsters any outcome they want.
And I'm calling bs on this one.
The survey received 829 responses from active-duty troops. The IVMF used standard methodology to estimate the weights for each individual observation of the survey sample. The margin of error for most questions was roughly 2 percent.
The survey audience was 89 percent male and 11 percent female, and had an average age of about 31 years old. The respondents identified themselves as 76 percent white, 13 percent Hispanic, 9 percent African American, 5 percent Asian and 6 percent other ethnicities. Respondents were able to select more than one race.
The demographics are not representative of the Army I knew. The ADA battalion I served in Germany was majority black and Hispanic, and much younger than 31 years old. We didn't discuss politics, we were too damn busy fulfilling our mission with beaten down, post Vietnam equipment, inadequate funds for training and maintenance, and operating at 80% manpower.
There were two things we had in our favor: our mission was airbase defense, so we enjoyed the amenities of being on an Air Force base. We were also 40 miles from battalion headquarters and 60 miles from group headquarters...during AF alerts, we fell under the direct command of the AF Wing Commander.
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Is that you, Barack? *****rollingeyes*****
Expected response from an Orange Brigadier. Is that the best you can do?
If you knew anything, you'd know that the current and previous President never served a day in the military. I'd say you're an idiot, but that would be demeaning to mentally deficient people.
It's aschelochen like you that make it difficult for Trump to expand his base.
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Expected response from an Orange Brigadier. Is that the best you can do?
If you knew anything, you'd know that the current and previous President never served a day in the military. I'd say you're an idiot, but that would be demeaning to mentally deficient people.
It's aschelochen like you that make it difficult for Trump to expand his base.
Jeffery Dahmer served in the Army. What's your point?
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Jeffery Dahmer served in the Army. What's your point?
Another example of "critical thinking" from Trumpland. :rolling:
Further undermining your post is the fact that Dahmer was issued a dishonorable discharge.
You Trumpsters are freaking pathetic.
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Another example of "critical thinking" from Trumpland. :rolling:
Further undermining your post is the fact that Dahmer was issued a dishonorable discharge.
You Trumpsters are freaking pathetic.
So you call critical thinking making a blanket statement that military service is some sort of indication of better person despite the fact that there are plenty of people who served and were total human debris.
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You Trumpsters are freaking pathetic.
You just have to resign yourself that there are few select here who do not have the ability to evaluate Trump objectively.
I'm getting where I just take it for what it's worth.
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And I'm supposed to swallow that This is representative of our entire military?
Polls can be designed to give the pollsters any outcome they want.
And I'm calling bs on this one.
The survey received 829 responses from active-duty troops. The IVMF used standard methodology to estimate the weights for each individual observation of the survey sample. The margin of error for most questions was roughly 2 percent.
The survey audience was 89 percent male and 11 percent female, and had an average age of about 31 years old. The respondents identified themselves as 76 percent white, 13 percent Hispanic, 9 percent African American, 5 percent Asian and 6 percent other ethnicities. Respondents were able to select more than one race.
That looks pretty representative. Are you arguing that it's not?
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That looks pretty representative. Are you arguing that it's not?
I think they have hit new lows...... The Military Times is out to get Trump. :silly:
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I think they have hit new lows...... The Military Times is out to get Trump. :silly:
We could be wrong, but it looks like they think that.
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And I'm supposed to swallow that This is representative of our entire military?
Polls can be designed to give the pollsters any outcome they want.
And I'm calling bs on this one.
Have you seen todays troops? Lotsa liberals, feminist, trans, gays in the ranks. I have plenty of friendson FB who are in the service or retired and they are bleeding heart liberals.
Todays military is a jobs program for inner city folks.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
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I think they have hit new lows...... The Military Times is out to get Trump. :silly:
5 Trump supporters posted their opinion on this thread. Less than half didn't believe the polling. Looks like we have more radically deranged Never Trump irrational spin again.
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5 Trump supporters posted their opinion on this thread. Less than half didn't believe the polling. Looks like we have more radically deranged Never Trump irrational spin again.
@Once-Ler
I'll start with Once-Ler's comment....
"Like I'm going to listen to the rabid communist rants of the Military Times!!!
The Troops don't like entertaining a bloated petulant brat? Then they are not invited to his next military parade."
Then there was another basically calling the poll fradulent.......
Spin away Frank.....
Also Frank, do my positive comments that I make about Trump man me a NT'er
Sheezzz... the koolaid is stout today.
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What were the percentages of political affiliation? I suspect a great many enlisted come from democrat households from inner city America, where Trump is a dirty word. Could skew results.
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Have you seen todays troops? Lotsa liberals, feminist, trans, gays in the ranks. I have plenty of friendson FB who are in the service or retired and they are bleeding heart liberals.
Todays military is a jobs program for inner city folks.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Spot on.
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What were the percentages of political affiliation? I suspect a great many enlisted come from democrat households from inner city America, where Trump is a dirty word. Could skew results.
Good point. Also, as the economy has improved, how much more of the military come from those of lesser means. That could skew the trend too.
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@Once-Ler
I'll start with Once-Ler's comment....
"Like I'm going to listen to the rabid communist rants of the Military Times!!!
The Troops don't like entertaining a bloated petulant brat? Then they are not invited to his next military parade."
LOL. You are citing Oncer as proof that Trump supporters think the poll is shit? I hate to break this to you but he is the band leader for you radically deranged Trump haters.
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LOL. You are citing Oncer as proof that Trump supporters think the poll is shit? I hate to break this to you but he is the band leader for you radically deranged Trump haters.
Well I missed that one, but your characterization of me as a "NT'er " is bull shit and you know it.
Versus, you who see him as God.
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I think it is undeniable that the troops love Mattis and he is the best of best in the military.
Mattis refused to implement Trump's common sense policy of not allowing transgenders into the
military. He is NOT the best of the best, he is also allowing standards to be lowered so the females
can get combat MOSes. All in all I am very disappointed in Mattis, he is way to PC. If I were in I'd be
thanking Trump everyday that I don't have to fight in North Korea.
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Is that you, Barack? *****rollingeyes*****
Is that you @Frank Cannon ?
It was a long time ago, but I remember pre-trump @DCPatriot was a lot more charming
Thank you for your service to America @Night Hides Not .
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Mattis refused to implement Trump's common sense policy of not allowing transgenders into the
military. He is NOT the best of the best, he is also allowing standards to be lowered so the females
can get combat MOSes. All in all I am very disappointed in Mattis, he is way to PC. If I were in I'd be
thanking Trump everyday that I don't have to fight in North Korea.
I did not realize @jpsb that it was Mattis who blocked the transgender ban, which was needed and totally sensible. We don't need head cases in the military. As for women getting combat, it would cause more trouble than it is worth.
Regarding the comment about the relatively poor and probably democrat background of many soldiers, that may be true.
But I still don't believe there is a lot of negative sentiment against Trump in the military.
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I wonder if the poll is what one would say is "scientific"; I'm not so sure about that. Well-written article still. Cites a Gallup poll. And polls are not always accurate.
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I did not realize @jpsb that it was Mattis who blocked the transgender ban, which was needed and totally sensible. We don't need head cases in the military. As for women getting combat, it would cause more trouble than it is worth.
Regarding the comment about the relatively poor and probably democrat background of many soldiers, that may be true.
But I still don't believe there is a lot of negative sentiment against Trump in the military.
What particular Trump policy/policies would be driving the "military" opinion of him downward?
I can't think of any. Maybe I just haven't been keeping up. Maybe one of those here who find this poll credible can provide some enlightenment.
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(https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/5kKOE6eeN9s6JydLqDeZjwJ7R3A=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VVSQLFYQRFDQDKN57HYYGXARK4.jpg)
U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, left, meets Ho Chi Minh City's communist party chief Nguyen Thien Nhan in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2018. (Kham/Pool Photo via AP)
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/16/mattis-trump-gave-him-100-percent-support-despite-president-saying-the-defense-chief-may-go-2/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/16/mattis-trump-gave-him-100-percent-support-despite-president-saying-the-defense-chief-may-go-2/)
It's not for pictures like this or transgender policy, things like this, I might want Matthis in there for but if he is getting the essentials right, that is what is important.
Ho Chi Minh statue?
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LOL. You are citing Oncer as proof that Trump supporters think the poll is shit? I hate to break this to you but he is the band leader for you radically deranged Trump haters.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDMCCLlGl4#)
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What particular Trump policy/policies would be driving the "military" opinion of him downward?
I can't think of any. Maybe I just haven't been keeping up. Maybe one of those here who find this poll credible can provide some enlightenment.
Somehow, I cannot see enlisted military giving a lot of thought to politics so if there is any anti-Trump sentiment, it is probably a family democrat thing. But how widespread was the participation in these polls. Aren't there any girls to chase or beer to drink on their free time?
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Somehow, I cannot see enlisted military giving a lot of thought to politics so if there is any anti-Trump sentiment, it is probably a family democrat thing. But how widespread was the participation in these polls. Aren't there any girls to chase or beer to drink on their free time?
Actually the article itself sends a completely different message than the headline. Per usual.
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Is this the same military that is now nothing but a social experiment in faggotry, crossdressing and feeling good?
(https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/191/277/shared_link/GettyImages-457546456.jpg?1499731400)
Transgender Men in Women's Showers Must Get 'Dignity and Respect,' Says U.S. Army
https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army)
Y’all are aware that not a one of those is a US uniform, right?
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Actually the article itself sends a completely different message than the headline. Per usual.
I need to make myself read the articles before I comment. They are so often different from the headlines.
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I need to make myself read the articles before I comment. They are so often different from the headlines.
It must be a deliberate tactic. They know most of us just read the headline and take away whatever it says. This way they can say they are reporting the news (in the body) and still shape public perceptions.
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The headline tells the tail of the story. You still failed to read it.
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The headline tells the tail of the story. You still failed to read it.
"new poll shows"?
Who are you talking to?
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"new poll shows"?
Who are you talking to?
Anyone who thinks the military isn't polled frequently enough because their opinions are more important than Hollywood.
Who are you talking to? Military hating Trump fans?
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Anyone who thinks the military isn't polled frequently enough because their opinions are more important than Hollywood.
Who are you talking to? Military hating Trump fans?
Well, that makes as much sense as the other stuff you say.
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Y’all are aware that not a one of those is a US uniform, right?
You're right. The US uniforms look like this......
(http://extras.denverpost.com/transgender/img/transgender-soldier-20106.jpg)
http://extras.denverpost.com/transgender/soldier.html (http://extras.denverpost.com/transgender/soldier.html)
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Well, that makes as much sense as the other stuff you say.
If you don't want to understand you won't
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Why do so many members here waste So much of everyone's time posting Alice In Wonderland, Democrat wishful thinking/PR?
888high58888
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If you don't want to understand you won't
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If you need help understanding his posts, this might help.....
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If you need help understanding his posts, this might help.....
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That does look helpful.
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Is this the same military that is now nothing but a social experiment in faggotry, crossdressing and feeling good?
(https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/191/277/shared_link/GettyImages-457546456.jpg?1499731400)
Transgender Men in Women's Showers Must Get 'Dignity and Respect,' Says U.S. Army
https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/transgender-men-in-women-s-showers-must-get-dignity-and-respect-says-u-s-army)
Yuck.
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Yuck.
A military where whether you say Yes Ma'am or Yes Sir is a trap.
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Mattis refused to implement Trump's common sense policy of not allowing transgenders into the
military. He is NOT the best of the best, he is also allowing standards to be lowered so the females
can get combat MOSes. All in all I am very disappointed in Mattis, he is way to PC. If I were in I'd be
thanking Trump everyday that I don't have to fight in North Korea.
I stand corrected. I would agree. Those are liberal policies that are destroying our military. Military should represent strength. Physically and mentally. I don't think of transgenders as strong. I think of them as weak and confused. Who wants hyper sexualized confused fighting next to them?