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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: ABX on February 06, 2019, 09:37:33 pm
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This is the reason outbreaks are occurring in Europe and the Americas -- vaccination coverage has dropped, which means not enough people are being vaccinated. At least 95% of a population must receive two doses of the measles-containing vaccine to stop the virus from spreading, and in many areas with outbreaks, this is not happening.
How vaccines stop diseases like measles
How vaccines stop diseases like measles 01:26
Failure to vaccinate has far-reaching consequences -- from financial hardship in the form of lost wages while caring for a sick child, to a child developing life-long disabilities or dying. Some suffer complications such as blindness, encephalitis (brain swelling caused by infection), severe diarrhea, dehydration, ear infections and pneumonia....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/opinions/measles-outbreak-vaccinate-everyone-mcgovern-calvin/index.html?no-st=1549488886 (https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/opinions/measles-outbreak-vaccinate-everyone-mcgovern-calvin/index.html?no-st=1549488886)
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There is no doubt I don't "get this".
Why did most people in the 50's, 60's and before the vaccine not die? Most of us kids had measles, mumps and chickenpox. We didn't kick the bucket.
Have we wrecked our immune systems with antiseptic hand wash and antibiotics?
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Over 50 cases of measles now in Washington (state).
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There is no doubt I don't "get this".
Why did most people in the 50's, 60's and before the vaccine not die? Most of us kids had measles, mumps and chickenpox. We didn't kick the bucket.
Have we wrecked our immune systems with antiseptic hand wash and antibiotics?
Runaway immigration from the third world.
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There is no doubt I don't "get this".
Why did most people in the 50's, 60's and before the vaccine not die? Most of us kids had measles, mumps and chickenpox. We didn't kick the bucket.
Have we wrecked our immune systems with antiseptic hand wash and antibiotics?
Look up the mortality rates from pre and post vaccination. Most didn't die, but an alarming number did. It peaked at almost 700k per year. Mortality had dropped to almost 0 before this new anti vaccination pseudoscience trend.
(https://vaccines.procon.org/files/1-vaccines-images/measles-deaths-1950-2013.PNG)
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My best fit curve prior to the vaccine shows a decrease in mortality even before the vaccine. That steepened considerably after the vaccine, but the trend is there.
That implies that the population was already slowly acquiring immunity through winnowing and exposure (thus gaining natural immunity). The exposed and unvaccinated group would have immunity from that.
So who are all these people dying, and where they from?
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@ABX @Smokin Joe
Two different opinions. Of course one is in line with mine.
I will reiterate...when I was a kid...if you got the measles...the world didn't shut down with "OH MY GOD...THEY ARE GONNA DIE!!!" You stayed home from school and got well. I never knew anyone that died from measles.
So I am stuck with my original opinion, we are wrecking our immune systems.
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@ABX @Smokin Joe
Two different opinions. Of course one is in line with mine.
I will reiterate...when I was a kid...if you got the measles...the world didn't shut down with "OH MY GOD...THEY ARE GONNA DIE!!!" You stayed home from school and got well. I never knew anyone that died from measles.
So I am stuck with my original opinion, we are wrecking our immune systems.
Or, we don't know how to treat a common childhood illness anymore because we haven't had to in over 50 years. There appears to be a link between low Vitamin A and severe measles illnesses and/or deaths.
These 109,000 people clearly are not in the US as we haven't had a measles death in the US since 2015.
My opinion is unchanged; vaccinate if you want to and otherwise mind your own business. Vaccination poses a risk as well and no one has the right to force that risk on someone else.
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Or, we don't know how to treat a common childhood illness anymore because we haven't had to in over 50 years. There appears to be a link between low Vitamin A and severe measles illnesses and/or deaths.
These 109,000 people clearly are not in the US as we haven't had a measles death in the US since 2015.
My opinion is unchanged; vaccinate if you want to and otherwise mind your own business. Vaccination poses a risk as well and no one has the right to force that risk on someone else.
What type of GD knuckle dragger are you? We are all going to die because of people like you!!!!
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What type of GD knuckle dragger are you? We are all going to die because of people like you!!!!
Good, my ultimate goal is to save the earth from you capitalist scum.
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Good, my ultimate goal is to save the earth from you capitalist scum.
So you are telling me I'm not going to die with you doing your thing?
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What type of GD knuckle dragger are you? We are all going to die because of people like you!!!!
Good Grief. She's an anti-vaxer! This is too much for me to handle.
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Or, we don't know how to treat a common childhood illness anymore because we haven't had to in over 50 years. There appears to be a link between low Vitamin A and severe measles illnesses and/or death
That's something I hadn't thought of...and probably a correct assessment.
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So you are telling me I'm not going to die with you doing your thing?
Nah, but I can make things very uncomfortable for you. I'm getting over the flu and would be happy to mail you some used tissues.
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Good Grief. She's an anti-vaxer! This is too much for me to handle.
Don't make me turn you into a casserole.
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Don't make me turn you into a casserole.
Tuna noodle?
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Tuna noodle?
I suppose I would be willing to sacrifice some noodles for you.
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I suppose I would be willing to sacrifice some noodles for you.
I'll send you some old moldy bread for you to make some penicillin. You do believe in penicillin don't you or are you anti-bacteriology?
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What type of GD knuckle dragger are you? We are all going to die because of people like you!!!!
Well, not all of us. Knuckle draggers will survive! :tongue2:
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Nah, but I can make things very uncomfortable for you. I'm getting over the flu and would be happy to mail you some used tissues.
Well as long as I'm never going to die, feel free. I got a lot of time on my hands now. Got to fill it up with new experiences to tell the great great great great great great great great grandkids.
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I'll send you some old moldy bread for you to make some penicillin. You do believe in penicillin don't you or are you anti-bacteriology?
Are there any diseases that penicillin actually still works for?
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@ABX @Smokin Joe
Two different opinions. Of course one is in line with mine.
I will reiterate...when I was a kid...if you got the measles...the world didn't shut down with "OH MY GOD...THEY ARE GONNA DIE!!!" You stayed home from school and got well. I never knew anyone that died from measles.
So I am stuck with my original opinion, we are wrecking our immune systems.
I don't doubt we are wrecking our immune systems. They're so bored they attack the people who have them.
Kids used to step barefoot in poo (not ideal, it sucked, but it happened), get skinned up, bruised, exposed to all sorts of germs. We got covered with dirt, mud, and worse, we fell in the creek (sometimes accidentally on purpose), climbed trees, ate berries off the plant or fruit right off the tree, caught tadpoles and frogs and snakes, and did all sorts of grubby kid things.
Now, life is too sterilized for all that. (Admittedly, there are some germs out there you don't want to catch, but the others that weren't lethal, that built immune systems up, are getting sanitized away, too.
Nutrition isn't as good as it used to be, despite all the science involved now, because the food just isn't the same quality as I recall. (We grew our own a lot more then, or it was local and picked fresh, not picked green, shipped in, and force ripened with ethylene).
But part of my point was that the deaths aren't taking place in the US. These deaths are happening elsewhere where not only are people imunocompromised, but often under nourished and suffering from God knows what else.
Measles were just a sort of rite of passage for us as kids, just a half century ago, (back when almost no one was allergic to peanuts).
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Are there any diseases that penicillin actually still works for?
Believe it or not, yes.
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I don't doubt we are wrecking our immune systems. They're so bored they attack the people who have them.
Kids used to step barefoot in poo (not ideal, it sucked, but it happened), get skinned up, bruised, exposed to all sorts of germs. We got covered with dirt, mud, and worse, we fell in the creek (sometimes accidentally on purpose), climbed trees, ate berries off the plant or fruit right off the tree, caught tadpoles and frogs and snakes, and did all sorts of grubby kid things.
Now, life is too sterilized for all that. (Admittedly, there are some germs out there you don't want to catch, but the others that weren't lethal, that built immune systems up, are getting sanitized away, too.
Nutrition isn't as good as it used to be, despite all the science involved now, because the food just isn't the same quality as I recall. (We grew our own a lot more then, or it was local and picked fresh, not picked green, shipped in, and force ripened with ethylene).
But part of my point was that the deaths aren't taking place in the US. These deaths are happening elsewhere where not only are people imunocompromised, but often under nourished and suffering from God knows what else.
Measles were just a sort of rite of passage for us as kids, just a half century ago, (back when almost no one was allergic to peanuts).
So you're saying if my dog goes out in the back yard and eats critter poop and then comes in and licks the kid in the face he's going to be healthy?
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Knuckle draggers will survive!
And Country Boys....
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So you're saying if my dog goes out in the back yard and eats critter poop and then comes in and licks the kid in the face he's going to be healthy?
Well, how's your kid? (I mean, aside from maybe bad breath?)
Some germs are generally to be avoided. That's usually why the things associated with them stink.
But one of the healthiest people I have known runs a 'honey dipper truck', cleaning out septic systems. He's probably been exposed to more pathogens than most humans, but never seems to get sick. :shrug:
I think the run of the mill germs in small amounts give the immune system something to work on, like exercise, that keeps it at the ready to deal with other stuff, too. Maybe my reasoning is flawed, but we exercise muscles so we can lift the heavy stuff--if we don't, we can't. Seems like the immune system would work much the same.
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So who are all these people dying, and where they from?
The rubeola virus causes "red measles," also known as "hard measles" or just "measles." Although most people recover without problems, rubeola can lead to pneumonia or inflammation of the brain (encephalitis).
My best friend in the first grade died from pneumonia related to measles. That was 1955.
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Well, how's your kid? (I mean, aside from maybe bad breath?)
Some germs are generally to be avoided. That's usually why the things associated with them stink.
But one of the healthiest people I have known runs a 'honey dipper truck', cleaning out septic systems. He's probably been exposed to more pathogens than most humans, but never seems to get sick. :shrug:
I think the run of the mill germs in small amounts give the immune system something to work on, like exercise, that keeps it at the ready to deal with other stuff, too. Maybe my reasoning is flawed, but we exercise muscles so we can lift the heavy stuff--if we don't, we can't. Seems like the immune system would work much the same.
Nah, I think you're right. Same is true for the guys I've known that have worked wastewater treatment plants. They were always sick for the first few weeks they worked there and then never sick again after that.
Kiddo got the flu a day before me. Projectile vomiting the first day, stayed in bed most of the next day, right as rain today. And I'm on track for the same schedule, thankfully no vomiting. But he's generally healthy. He's getting ready to turn 7 and that's the second sickness he's had that has caused vomiting. The first one he picked up from the hospital when we had to take him in to check for concussion.
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FYI, prior to the vaccine becoming available in 1963, the death rate from Measles in the US was 0.01% to 0.0167% based on CDC estimated number of yearly Measles infections and deaths.
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FYI, prior to the vaccine becoming available in 1963, the death rate from Measles in the US was 0.01% to 0.0167% based on CDC estimated number of yearly Measles infections and deaths.
People were too stupid to die from diseases back then. There was no Fakebook, Twit and Instascam to inform people they were living a lifestyle that would kill them. We know better now.
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When I was in Egypt the US Embassy sent out a memo to expats warning of the 'summer disease' season approaching. Some health tips to avoid cholera, typhoid, hepatitis, etc.
In that memo they said infant mortality in Egypt for babies up to one year old was 50%. That was 1981. Population density, at that time, was over 5,000 people per square mile of arable land. There were big outbreaks of those summer diseases.
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'Patient Zero' identified in Washington state measles outbreak
by Jeff Pohjola | KOMO Radio (https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/patient-zero-identified-in-washington-state-measles-outbreak?fbclid=IwAR3_xR9G-T_GQ85o-0mKAMDXnleK-SnHd20Nxz1YcixNIyf6cWNmuqDwF2U)
Wednesday, February 6th 2019
Vancouver, W.A. (KOMO) - State health officials say the first person to contract measles in the latest outbreak was someone from outside the country.
That person, according to State Epidemiologist Dr. Scott Lindquist, came into contact with a large group of un-vaccinated children.
"All those kids that were un-immunized went to public places like Ikea, Costco and a Portland Trailblazers game," he said. ...
:pondering: From where, I wonder.
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:pondering: From where, I wonder.
Maybe it was the other kids in the caravan...playing games with public health over a political agenda is not healthy for anyone.