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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: rangerrebew on February 17, 2020, 04:50:18 pm
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Elizabeth Warren Mocks Christian Men for Believing and Living by the Bible
Elizabeth Warren has been shooting up in the polls recently and shifting support away from Joe Biden in the process.
During the recent LGBTQ town hall event, Warren took time to insult men of Christian faith, suggesting that they would never find a woman to marry.
According to The Daily Wire,
https://freedomupdates.com/the-latest/elizabeth-warren-mocks-christian-men-for-believing-and-living-by-the-bible/
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The actual Daily Wire link, https://www.dailywire.com/news/at-cnn-lbgtq-event-elizabeth-warren-contemptuously-dismisses-men-of-faith (https://www.dailywire.com/news/at-cnn-lbgtq-event-elizabeth-warren-contemptuously-dismisses-men-of-faith) .
This wasn't recent:
OCTOBER 10TH, 2019
At CNN LBGTQ Event, Elizabeth Warren Contemptuously Dismisses Men Of Faith
By Hank Berrien
DailyWire.com
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You people are funny. That happens here on TBR. It isn't just liberals. And its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals. Trumpy needs those homosexual and liberal votes. Just another liberal.
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During the recent LGBTQ town hall event, Warren took time to insult men of Christian faith, suggesting that they would never find a woman to marry.
Just when you start to think "looney has reached it's limit...…"
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You people are funny. That happens here on TBR. It isn't just liberals. And its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals. Trumpy needs those homosexual and liberal votes. Just another liberal.
@Chosen Daughter
Are you saying homosexuals shouldn't have the right to vote?
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You people are funny. That happens here on TBR. It isn't just liberals. And its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals. Trumpy needs those homosexual and liberal votes. Just another liberal.
What homosexuals has he voted for anyway?
Is this just another of those 'throw it up on the wall to see if it sticks'?
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The actual Daily Wire link, https://www.dailywire.com/news/at-cnn-lbgtq-event-elizabeth-warren-contemptuously-dismisses-men-of-faith (https://www.dailywire.com/news/at-cnn-lbgtq-event-elizabeth-warren-contemptuously-dismisses-men-of-faith) .
This wasn't recent:
I knew I had heard this before....
Actually, it’s as much of a hit on Christian women as men. Her ‘humor’ implies that every woman believes in ‘gay marriage’ and wouldn’t marry a man who doesn’t.
It’s a very sexist anti-Christian joke.
Par for the course for a leftist....
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You people are funny. That happens here on TBR. It isn't just liberals. And its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals. Trumpy needs those homosexual and liberal votes. Just another liberal.
I can confirm that - I would vote for a gay conservative over a socialist in a heartbeat.
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I can confirm that - I would vote for a gay conservative over a socialist in a heartbeat.
Then, as I had confirmed a decade ago, there is nothing left in the Republican party for the Christian Right.
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Then, as I had confirmed a decade ago, there is nothing left in the Republican party for the Christian Right.
That is correct. Trump is at about 30% Democratic support. Probably another 20% have never voted in their lives. He is coming out of the closet on homosexual agenda. And he probably is going to be the next amnesty King too.
It is literally Democratic party against Democratic party at this point.
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It is literally Democratic party against Democratic party at this point.
winning. *****rollingeyes*****
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That is correct. Trump is at about 30% Democratic support. Probably another 20% have never voted in their lives. He is coming out of the closet on homosexual agenda. And he probably is going to be the next amnesty King too.
It is literally Democratic party against Democratic party at this point.
I must have missed something... I could have sworn this was an article about Warren...
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I must have missed something... I could have sworn this was an article about Warren...
Fooled you again. Its always about TRUUUMP.
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I can confirm that - I would vote for a gay conservative over a socialist in a heartbeat.
@Snarknado
Same here!
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I must have missed something... I could have sworn this was an article about Warren...
@EdinVA
It WAS,but like every other article on TBR,it is increasingly the playroom of the Anti-Trump Bible-Thumpers. You are a member of their Holier than Thou Cult,or you are sum kinda comminist trying to get in the way of their beloved religious police state,where we all have all the freedoms they are willing to allow us.
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Fooled you again. Its always about TRUUUMP.
@skeeter@sneakypete
Some of these folks need to be careful... Mental gymnastics cause injuries don't cha know...
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@skeeter@sneakypete
Some of these folks need to be careful... Mental gymnastics cause injuries don't cha know...
@EdinVA
MUST NOT COMMENT....
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@EdinVA
MUST NOT COMMENT....
888mouth
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BTW,am I the only one waiting to hear her mocking Muslim men for living by the Koran?
I'd pay cash money to be in the crowd when she says that.
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And its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals.
@Chosen Daughter
Can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals? I have not seen any instance where Trump has exhibited bigotry in that regard. Nowhere has he shown any indication that a candidate's sexual preference matters. Thanks in advance.
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@Chosen Daughter
Can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals? I have not seen any instance where Trump has exhibited bigotry in that regard. Nowhere has he shown any indication that a candidate's sexual preference matters. Thanks in advance.
@Hoodat
Good luck with that one! The entire More Moral than You Mafia is about to descend on you like a ton of bricks. You are now on their list of troublemakers.
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@Hoodat
Good luck with that one! The entire More Moral than You Mafia is about to descend on you like a ton of bricks. You are now on their list of troublemakers.
@sneakypete
'Bearing false witness' is also on that moral checklist. Sin is sin. Revelation 21:18 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21:8&version=NKJV) comes to mind. Basically, on one side we have a man who says he would not consider a candidate's sexual preference as a disqualifier for his vote. And on the other, we have someone giving a false account of what the man said.
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I must have missed something... I could have sworn this was an article about Warren...
GOPBR at its evolved TDS "best"
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Then, as I had confirmed a decade ago, there is nothing left in the Republican party for the Christian Right.
There is no Christian right anymore. Falwell's dead, his son is corrupt, Robertson's almost dead, Haggard was exposed as a mole... and the alphabet soup lobby has corrupted the millennials.
And each step we take closer to hedonism, the closer the apocalypse creeps. It won't be pretty.
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There is no Christian right anymore. Falwell's dead, his son is corrupt, Robertson's almost dead, Haggard was exposed as a mole... and the alphabet soup lobby has corrupted the millennials.
And each step we take closer to hedonism, the closer the apocalypse creeps. It won't be pretty.
We need another "See, I told you so" moment. None of them fellers were the movement, any more than Cruz or Pence or even Ron Paul are the TEA Party. There's a butt-ton of Reagan Social Conservatives, and they tend to have big families... I don't think they went down. They went up.
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@Chosen Daughter
Can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals? I have not seen any instance where Trump has exhibited bigotry in that regard. Nowhere has he shown any indication that a candidate's sexual preference matters. Thanks in advance.
She's alluding to this now closed thread. But as I pointed out in Reply #4, the title of the OP article of that thread (and the thread title) misrepresents what Trump actually said. Trump did not say that he would vote for a homosexual, and "wants to" is an even greater misrepresentation of what Trump said. But this seems to be a Facts Don't Matter circumstance; Bad Orange Man does not deserve honesty.
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@Chosen Daughter
Can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals? I have not seen any instance where Trump has exhibited bigotry in that regard. Nowhere has he shown any indication that a candidate's sexual preference matters. Thanks in advance.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/13/trump-could-support-gay-president-but-probably-not-buttigieg/4748705002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/13/trump-could-support-gay-president-but-probably-not-buttigieg/4748705002/)
I don't know if you are trying to split hairs here. If a person says they would vote for a homosexual they would. They would have to want to, to do that. *****rollingeyes*****
And reading his comments about some people is obviously directed at people of faith.
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@EdinVA
It WAS,but like every other article on TBR,it is increasingly the playroom of the Anti-Trump Bible-Thumpers. You are a member of their Holier than Thou Cult,or you are sum kinda comminist trying to get in the way of their beloved religious police state,where we all have all the freedoms they are willing to allow us.
Why are you even commenting in this thread? You do realize that you agree with Warren don't you? She mocks Christians just like you do. And this isn't the first time. So just give a cheer to Warren OK?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/13/trump-could-support-gay-president-but-probably-not-buttigieg/4748705002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/13/trump-could-support-gay-president-but-probably-not-buttigieg/4748705002/)
Are you wanting me to go behind the USA Today paywall, dig through that article, and find a citation that supports your claim? Really?
I don't know if you are trying to split hairs here.
I am not splitting hairs. I am simply asking you to provide the quote from Trump that backs up your claim. Again, can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals?
If a person says they would vote for a homosexual they would.
But that's not what you said. You said that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. Again, please show me Trump's exact statement that supports your claim.
Here is the difference between you and Trump. Trump is saying that he would not take the bigoted stance to vote against a candidate simply because that candidate is homosexual. And you would.
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Why are you even commenting in this thread? You do realize that you agree with Warren don't you? She mocks Christians just like you do. And this isn't the first time. So just give a cheer to Warren OK?
@Chosen Daughter
You are a liar,and have no shame. You equate me with Warren because I am not a bigot. You should be,but won't be,ashamed of yourself.
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Are you wanting me to go behind the USA Today paywall, dig through that article, and find a citation that supports your claim? Really?
You already know what he said.
I am not splitting hairs. I am simply asking you to provide the quote from Trump that backs up your claim. Again, can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals?
See below
But that's not what you said. You said that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. Again, please show me Trump's exact statement that supports your claim.
Here is the difference between you and Trump. Trump is saying that he would not take the bigoted stance to vote against a candidate simply because that candidate is homosexual. And you would.
You already know what Trump said and again I will tell you that if Trump is not opposed to voting for a gay president he is for it. Like I said in order to vote for a homosexual you would have to want to.
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@Chosen Daughter
You are a liar,and have no shame. You equate me with Warren because I am not a bigot. You should be,but won't be,ashamed of yourself.
You are right. I am not ashamed. Warren was using the exact same kind of tactics you do.
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Everyone should listen to Rush Limbaugh today. You know. Trumps medal of freedom recipient.
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You already know what Trump said
Yes, I do. And it does not reconcile with your claim that "its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals." Which is why I specifically asked you to provide the quote from Trump that does support your claim. And your refusal to do so leaves me no choice but to believe that you are intentionally making statements you know to be false about Donald Trump. (Deut. 5:20)
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Yes, I do. And it does not reconcile with your claim that "its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals." Which is why I specifically asked you to provide the quote from Trump that does support your claim. And your refusal to do so leaves me no choice but to believe that you are intentionally making statements you know to be false about Donald Trump. (Deut. 5:20)
Nothing false about it. If he says he would vote for a homosexual he would have to want to in order to do it. Nothing false. *****rollingeyes*****
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Nothing false about it. If he says he would vote for a homosexual he would have to want to in order to do it. Nothing false. *****rollingeyes*****
Show me the actual quote.
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Show me the actual quote.
"I think there would be some that wouldn’t – and I wouldn’t be among that group to be honest with you," Trump said.
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"I think there would be some that wouldn’t – and I wouldn’t be among that group to be honest with you," Trump said.
In no way does that quote equate to "its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals.". Not anywhere close. Trump is clearly stating that he is not a bigot who would vote against someone based solely upon their sexual preference. But clearly you are.
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Nothing false about it. If he says he would vote for a homosexual he would have to want to in order to do it.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/300x300/12579850.jpg)
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In no way does that quote equate to "its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals.". Not anywhere close. Trump is clearly stating that he is not a bigot who would vote against someone based solely upon their sexual preference. But clearly you are.
All you are doing is replacing would vote for with who would not vote against. Deceptive, and doesn't negate what I said.
Lets try this. Based on what he said suppose there is a homosexual Congressman or Senator running and Trump votes for them. Would you say he voted for them because he didn't want to? Of course not.
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All you are doing is replacing would vote for with who would not vote against. Deceptive, and doesn't negate what I said.
Uh, no. You are the one who is embellishing here.
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Uh, no. You are the one who is embellishing here.
Lets try this. Based on what he said suppose there is a homosexual Congressman or Senator running and Trump votes for them. Would you say he voted for them because he didn't want to? Of course not.
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Lets try this. Based on what he said suppose there is a homosexual Congressman or Senator running and Trump votes for them. Would you say he voted for them because he didn't want to? Of course not.
Based on Trump's statement, I would say that he did not take into account their sexual preference in his decision to vote. This of course directly contradicts your false claim that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. But hey, if you wish to double and triple down on bearing false witness, have at it. It's only your credibility that is in the trash.
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Fox News’s Geraldo Rivera asked Trump on an episode of his podcast released Thursday if Americans would “vote for a gay man to be president.â€
“I think so,†Trump said. “I think there would be some that wouldn’t, and I wouldn’t be among that group, to be honest with you.â€
“I think that it doesn't seem to be hurting Pete ‘Boot-edge-edge,’†Trump continued, using a phonetic pronunciation of former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg's (D) name. Trump has previously joked about the former mayor’s last name. “It doesn’t seem to be hurting him very much.â€
Trump added, “But there would certainly be a group. You know this better than I do. There would be a group that probably wouldn’t. But you and I would not be in that group.â€
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/483062-trump-reveals-he-would-vote-for-a-gay-presidential-candidate
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Based on Trump's statement, I would say that he did not take into account their sexual preference in his decision to vote. This of course directly contradicts your false claim that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. But hey, if you wish to double and triple down on bearing false witness, have at it. It's only your credibility that is in the trash.
He doesn't want to vote for homosexuals? How do you come to that conclusion?
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.
-Dwight Eisenhower-
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You want to see bigotry?
Vice President Mike Pence and other Christians who believe homosexuality is sinful are bigots tantamount to those who opposed civil rights and supported slavery, according to a well-known Washington Post columnist.
The newspaper’s Richard Cohen argues in a new column that the beliefs of Mike Pence and his wife, Karen, about sexuality are no different than the racist beliefs from America’s past.
“I have a question for those Republicans who, along with Democrats, demand the resignation of Virginia Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam for the abhorrent photo that appeared on his page in his medical school yearbook: If bigotry is repugnant, why not demand the resignation of Vice President Mike Pence for his ugly views on homosexuality?†Cohen asked. “And while they’re at it, why not insist that Pence’s wife resign her position at a school that discriminates against gays and lesbians?â€
Karen Pence is teaching at a private Christian school that affirms traditional biblical teachings on sexuality, as Christian Headlines previously reported.
https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/christians-such-as-mike-pence-are-bigots.html (https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/christians-such-as-mike-pence-are-bigots.html)
Bigots that call other people bigots.
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When Chick-fil-a president Dan Cathy said in public that he stands for Christian values and that his company is built on those values, the LGBT community and their supporters went nuts. All of a sudden an incredible firestorm of vitriol exploded forth. It began with negative reports in the media, continued with high profile entertainers uttering expletives and vowing to never again eat at Chick-fil-a, and climaxed with several big city mayors and influential council members vowing to use their influence to keep Chick-fil-a stores from opening in their cities. All this from the people who are calling Christians intolerant.
One of the real difficulties for Christians is that slowly, over the last two to three generations, a new set of beliefs has taken over as the dominant foundation of American culture. The shift has been rapid, but not sudden. It has basically slipped in and, piece by piece, pushed Christian values to the side. Because of this gradual shift, even many Christians have, without even realizing it, incorporated many of the non-Christian beliefs into their own value systems.
A great illustration of this is a Facebook post by a Christian who wrote, “I can’t tell if all of the people who posted pictures of Chick-fil-a today are anti-human rights, or pro-diabetes … either way, can we please stop wasting time discriminating.†You see, being opposed to “homosexual marriage†has been turned from sin into discrimination. The result is that Christians are now seen by many in the pop culture as being “bigots and homophobes.â€
http://www.marketfaith.org/are-christians-really-bigots-and-homophobes/ (http://www.marketfaith.org/are-christians-really-bigots-and-homophobes/)
November 2, 2014
What Do Gays Really Want From The Church?
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You can call me whatever you want. Its homosexual activism that says we shouldn't vote for homosexual presidents. Based solely on the abuse of power by the homosexual community to force it down everyones throats and make God a bigot in order to advance their agenda.
And you would be correct that I wouldn't vote for a homosexual for any office. Not in the school district. Not as Mayor, Governor, Congress or Senate. Nothing. I am not ashamed and I certainly don't care that the president thought he was above the others who wouldn't. It isn't any different than Warren and her diatribe. Republicans used to be the party for family.
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He doesn't want to vote for homosexuals? How do you come to that conclusion?
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.
-Dwight Eisenhower-
@Chosen Daughter
He's ok with me as long as he doesn't say he would vote for Church Ladies. We already have Communists in our government,and we don't need their Nazi pals.
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In no way does that quote equate to "its our president that wants to vote for homosexuals.". Not anywhere close. Trump is clearly stating that he is not a bigot who would vote against someone based solely upon their sexual preference. But clearly you are.
HoldOnNow... It is bigotry to obey YHWH?? Careful what you're steppin in there, @Hoodat
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Are you wanting me to go behind the USA Today paywall, dig through that article, and find a citation that supports your claim? Really?
I am not splitting hairs. I am simply asking you to provide the quote from Trump that backs up your claim. Again, can you please cite anything Trump has said in the past which would indicate that he wants to vote for homosexuals?
But that's not what you said. You said that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. Again, please show me Trump's exact statement that supports your claim.
Here is the difference between you and Trump. Trump is saying that he would not take the bigoted stance to vote against a candidate simply because that candidate is homosexual. And you would.
I support 100% your comments.
USAToday's headline is false journalism as he did not say what the headline says.
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HoldOnNow... It is bigotry to obey YHWH?? Careful what you're steppin in there, @Hoodat
Nope. Never said that. If you believe that Y-HW-H is telling you not to vote for a candidate specifically because that candidate is homosexual, then be obedient. However, no one up to this point has made that case. Instead, we have had one poster falsely accusing the President of doing the opposite without any instruction on what Y-HW-H wants him to do.
The frustration for me is the complete disdain for truth. It is the spiritual foundation upon which all discourse should be based. And when we are unable to acknowledge truth, then we should consider 'fear' as the root cause of that shortcoming. The Bible tells us 365 times 'Do not fear'. I would assume that Y-HW-H places considerable importance on that one, especially since it is stated 365 more times than 'Don't vote for homosexuals in a democratic-style election'.
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Hoodat: Based on Trump's statement, I would say that he did not take into account their sexual preference in his decision to vote. This of course directly contradicts your false claim that Trump wants to vote for homosexuals. But hey, if you wish to double and triple down on bearing false witness, have at it. It's only your credibility that is in the trash.
He doesn't want to vote for homosexuals? How do you come to that conclusion?
I didn't come to that conclusion. Perhaps you should consider what I actually wrote instead of intentionally replacing it with a false narrative. There is more than once choice here:
- Deciding not vote for someone because they are homosexual.
- Deciding to vote for someone because they are homosexual.
- Not take into account a candidate's sexual preference when making a decision to vote.
Trump chose option 3. So please stop giving a false account of what Trump said.
(See: Logical Fallacies - False Dilemma (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma))
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@Chosen Daughter
He's ok with me as long as he doesn't say he would vote for Church Ladies. We already have Communists in our government,and we don't need their Nazi pals.
Watch it, buster! My wife is a church lady. And she is definitely not a nazi. (But if she was running for office, she wouldn't be expecting your vote anyway, so no worries.)
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
-John 3:17-
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Nope. Never said that. If you believe that Y-HW-H is telling you not to vote for a candidate specifically because that candidate is homosexual, then be obedient. However, no one up to this point has made that case. Instead, we have had one poster falsely accusing the President of doing the opposite without any instruction on what Y-HW-H wants him to do.
@Hoodat
Aw, come on now. Knowing @Chosen Daughter as you do (and me as well), one might consider it an obvious inference that her Christian faith is the progenitor of her discernment rather than waggin around 'bigotry' in a deprecatory way... And I will raise up the will of Yah at this point, in the most technical and outright sense, since the polite but obvious inference seems to not be enough to speak about the elephant in the room.
In every case where election is the case, Yah has ALWAYS demanded choosing the exceptionally righteous. GOOD men. That an homosexual would be excluded goes without saying since homosexuality is assigned by Yah among the abominations... Sins so gross in the eyes of the Father as to be made particularly distinct.
To step back from that, away from the person, even to endorse the homosexual agenda is against Yah, against family, which is an important governing office to Yah, and against Torah (or the Way, in the Christian sense, same thing).
To wit, and in every sense: To accuse a daughter of Yah of bigotry for preaching or following Torah, is to accuse El Elyon Himself.
And to be quite clear, as you accuse her, you accuse me as well.
The frustration for me is the complete disdain for truth. It is the spiritual foundation upon which all discourse should be based. And when we are unable to acknowledge truth, then we should consider 'fear' as the root cause of that shortcoming. The Bible tells us 365 times 'Do not fear'. I would assume that Y-HW-H places considerable importance on that one, especially since it is stated 365 more times than 'Don't vote for homosexuals in a democratic-style election'.
As my reply above lines out, I think it picking nits.
To accuse Christians of bigotry where the Bible (and Torah particularly) are clear, IS accusing Yah.
Likewise, to defend Tump on this statement, where the inference is just as plain - Tump would have no problem breaking Torah (parting from the Way) to endorse (by vote) the unrighteous - whether in the person or the agenda.
If we are to be speaking truth, then let us speak plainly.
As to fear, fear YaHWeH.
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@Hoodat
Aw, come on now. Knowing @Chosen Daughter as you do (and me as well), one might consider it an obvious inference that her Christian faith is the progenitor of her discernment rather than waggin around 'bigotry' in a deprecatory way... And I will raise up the will of Yah at this point, in the most technical and outright sense, since the polite but obvious inference seems to not be enough to speak about the elephant in the room.
In every case where election is the case, Yah has ALWAYS demanded choosing the exceptionally righteous. GOOD men. That an homosexual would be excluded goes without saying since homosexuality is assigned by Yah among the abominations... Sins so gross in the eyes of the Father as to be made particularly distinct.
To step back from that, away from the person, even to endorse the homosexual agenda is against Yah, against family, which is an important governing office to Yah, and against Torah (or the Way, in the Christian sense, same thing).
To wit, and in every sense: To accuse a daughter of Yah of bigotry for preaching or following Torah, is to accuse El Elyon Himself.
And to be quite clear, as you accuse her, you accuse me as well.
As my reply above lines out, I think it picking nits.
To accuse Christians of bigotry where the Bible (and Torah particularly) are clear, IS accusing Yah.
Likewise, to defend Tump on this statement, where the inference is just as plain - Tump would have no problem breaking Torah (parting from the Way) to endorse (by vote) the unrighteous - whether in the person or the agenda.
If we are to be speaking truth, then let us speak plainly.
As to fear, fear YaHWeH.
@Hoodat is just splitting hairs. Trump wasn't just making a comment he was sending a political message. This has always been the liberals pushing homosexual "rights". Well Trump is courting liberals openly now. The number of Democrats at his rallies indicates what his message is going to be going into this campaign. I fully expect a new leaning left to draw more and more liberals. He is abandoning those with family values. Its plain and simple.
Most Christians know the damage that homosexual politicians can do. And just as liberals oppose Christian candidates, Christians should oppose homosexuals. Christians need to vote for leaders with morals.
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Most Christians know the damage that homosexual politicians can do.
No, EVERYBODY knows. Two words:
Boy Scouts.
And just as liberals oppose Christian candidates, Christians should oppose homosexuals. Christians need to vote for leaders with morals.
Of course they should. The Father demands it. Even common sense demands it. I am sick to death of this atmosphere where 'church ladies' are waived off as 'too doctrinaire'
That is a deprecation in itself.
I would hope some day to be worthy enough to be considered zealous by the Father. And that amount of zeal would surely be far more than doctrinaire to Men.
As to those around us trying to lower the bar on character and righteousness (largely to justify Tump), I will leave it in the observance of Alexis de Tocqueville... And everybody knows it is true in their hearts:
"I sought for the key to the greatness of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." -Alexis de Tocqueville
We are standing in the midst of it.
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@Hoodat
Aw, come on now. Knowing @Chosen Daughter as you do (and me as well), one might consider it an obvious inference that her Christian faith is the progenitor of her discernment rather than waggin around 'bigotry' in a deprecatory way...
Although the use of the word 'bigotry' was completely accurate by definition, I acknowledge that it is also an emotionally charged word, and therefore withdraw it going forward.
In every case where election is the case, Yah has ALWAYS demanded choosing the exceptionally righteous. GOOD men. That an homosexual would be excluded goes without saying since homosexuality is assigned by Yah among the abominations...
As are cowardice, idolatry, and lying. Sin is sin. G-d doesn't show preference. One either hits the mark, or one does not.
To wit, and in every sense: To accuse a daughter of Yah of bigotry for preaching or following Torah, is to accuse El Elyon Himself.
And to be quite clear, as you accuse her, you accuse me as well.
Again, my issue here has nothing to do with @Chosen Daughter 's stance regarding homosexuality and how it defines her voting choices. My issue has been the misrepresentation of what Trump said, even to the point of deception. Trump has demonstrated that he does not take a candidate's sexual preference into account when considering whether or not to vote for that candidate. Contrast this with Chosen Daughter's position where she does take into account a candidate's sexual preference. Contrast this also with a good number of Buttigieg supporters whose reason for voting for him is because he is a homosexual. Chosen Daughter is falsely accusing Trump of being in this last group. However, it is her that has more in common with that group because that group (just like her) use sexual preference as the determining factor for voting.
Personally, I share Trump's position here. For me, if a candidate vows to eliminate deficit spending, gives workers the power to invest Social Security taxes, etc., and that candidate also chooses to have sex outside of G-d's covenant of marriage between one man and one woman, I'll take the balanced budget and leave it up to G-d work on the sexual immorality part, just as he did with King David.
So far, I have found only one perfect person in the Bible. All the rest are flawed in one way or another. And I am reminded that it was G-d who put Nebuchadnezzer in power over Israel. Was Nebuchadnezzer righteous? Certainly not. But G-d used him anyway.
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Although the use of the word 'bigotry' was completely accurate by definition, I acknowledge that it is also an emotionally charged word, and therefore withdraw it going forward.
@Hoodat
Well, yes and no, and that is the reason I stood up. 'bigotry' is not merely emotionally charged, but rather, deprecatory - Used and over-used against those who rightly use a moral standard to exclude those seeking to liberalize sinful/immoral behaviors. It is technically false, not true. I am not a bigot for following Yah's commandments.
Whether the case, thank you for your withdrawing thereof.
As are cowardice, idolatry, and lying. Sin is sin. G-d doesn't show preference. One either hits the mark, or one does not.
A categorical error - In a sense you are right: in the personal sense. But I am speaking to the national sense - the things for which the land will spit you out (as a nation), as it were. That is the context in which this should be framed. And to be fair to the homos, adultery and fornication are also abominations of the same sort...
Again, my issue here has nothing to do with @Chosen Daughter 's stance regarding homosexuality and how it defines her voting choices. My issue has been the misrepresentation of what Trump said, even to the point of deception. Trump has demonstrated that he does not take a candidate's sexual preference into account when considering whether or not to vote for that candidate. Contrast this with Chosen Daughter's position where she does take into account a candidate's sexual preference. Contrast this also with a good number of Buttigieg supporters whose reason for voting for him is because he is a homosexual. Chosen Daughter is falsely accusing Trump of being in this last group. However, it is her that has more in common with that group because that group (just like her) use sexual preference as the determining factor for voting.
A false non-equivalence between those who are homosexual activists and those who merely accept homosexuality... There is no moral neutral.
Personally, I share Trump's position here. For me, if a candidate vows to eliminate deficit spending, gives workers the power to invest Social Security taxes, etc., and that candidate also chooses to have sex outside of G-d's covenant of marriage between one man and one woman, I'll take the balanced budget and leave it up to G-d work on the sexual immorality part, just as he did with King David.
Again, the national offense for which the land WILL spit you out. That is, in effect, what you are endorsing... Mussolini made the trains run on time.
So far, I have found only one perfect person in the Bible. All the rest are flawed in one way or another. And I am reminded that it was G-d who put Nebuchadnezzer in power over Israel. Was Nebuchadnezzer righteous? Certainly not. But G-d used him anyway.
A serious cop-out. Yah PUNISHED Israel with Nebuchadnezzar. And I think Tump will wind up a punishment too.
And to extend your statement to it's logical end would imply that character has no no place at all in selecting leaders, which opposes Yah in his demand to choose righteous leaders.
And in demanding the requirement for righteous leaders, that means that Yah says righteousness in leaders is possible - Not a requirement which cannot be met. Ponder that a while.
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How about adding this possibility to the mix in this discussion?
The homosexual sinner is repentant and living a celibate, chaste life, recognizing his sin?
Yes, homosexuality is a sin, as other aforementioned sins are, but it is possible to recognize it as such and try as we all do to live holy lives.
The man/woman is not part of the leftist agenda to brainwash people into believing it is just an "alternate lifestyle," but admits that to act on his urges would be wrong.
The issue for me is the repentance. I would not have as much of a problem with Trump if he had ever admitted his serial adultery or grabbing women was wrong. He has not, so for me, I would have less of an issue with the homosexual, not giving in to his sinful nature than a heterosexual who thinks there's nothing wrong with doing whatever he feels like doing.
btw, back to the main thread topic....... Elizabeth Warren, in her condemnation of both Christian men and women is disgusting.
@Hoodat @roamer_1 @Chosen Daughter
Also - I tend to be in agreement with Hoodat in the point that there is a difference in saying one would vote for a homosexual and saying one WANTS to vote for a homosexual. Whether or not Trump wants to do the latter is debatable. His being a social liberal makes it seem possible that he would, but he hasn't said so specifically.
I think he was just pandering like the politician he is.
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Please discuss the topic of the thread, Senator Warren's comment and what it means for her campaign and voters. Trump is not the topic, Pence is not the topic, and the Deity by any name is not the topic.
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I think he was just pandering like the politician he is.
There is the word we've been looking for. rats pander to the gay lobby. GOP panders to the gay lobby.
Two parties with one position. surrender
You got some great post this on this thread @Chosen Daughter
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How about adding this possibility to the mix in this discussion?
The homosexual sinner is repentant and living a celibate, chaste life, recognizing his sin?
Yes, homosexuality is a sin, as other aforementioned sins are, but it is possible to recognize it as such and try as we all do to live holy lives.
The man/woman is not part of the leftist agenda to brainwash people into believing it is just an "alternate lifestyle," but admits that to act on his urges would be wrong.
@musiclady
That's right! My own cross to bear is my silver tongue... If it were not for my highly overactive conscience, I would be a rich, rich man... And in that, as a type of potential thievery, I find thievery to be a kinda gray area... Not that I would take what ain't mine from someone personally - But I often think how easy it would be, and have to catch myself...
But that is not what this conversation is about - This is about accepting active 'thievery' or 'homosexuality' - Which is a different thing.
The issue for me is the repentance. I would not have as much of a problem with Trump if he had ever admitted his serial adultery or grabbing women was wrong. He has not, so for me, I would have less of an issue with the homosexual, not giving in to his sinful nature than a heterosexual who thinks there's nothing wrong with doing whatever he feels like doing.
Exactly so.
btw, back to the main thread topic....... Elizabeth Warren, in her condemnation of both Christian men and women is disgusting.
Yep. And false as the day is long too, btw.
Also - I tend to be in agreement with Hoodat in the point that there is a difference in saying one would vote for a homosexual and saying one WANTS to vote for a homosexual. Whether or not Trump wants to do the latter is debatable. His being a social liberal makes it seem possible that he would, but he hasn't said so specifically.
I can cede the point as you have framed it, but as a distinction without a difference. :shrug:
When one is willing to overlook blatant unrepentant sin, all bets are off for this nation. It is the same thing as endorsing immorality.
Look at adultery and fornication where we as a nation have already given in. Horrible sin that is now just part of the furniture...
I think he was just pandering like the politician he is.
YUP. :beer:
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Please discuss the topic of the thread, Senator Warren's comment and what it means for her campaign and voters. Trump is not the topic, Pence is not the topic, and the Deity by any name is not the topic.
Is calling Christian women Nazis the topic? :shrug:
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@Chosen Daughter
He's ok with me as long as he doesn't say he would vote for Church Ladies. We already have Communists in our government,and we don't need their Nazi pals.
Really @sneakypete....that post is uncalled for...
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Is calling Christian women Nazis the topic? :shrug:
No it's not....@sneakypete 's response was uncalled for and disgusting to even equate Christian women with Nazis
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No it's not....@sneakypete 's response was uncalled for and disgusting to even equate Christian women with Nazis
Thank you!
It's bad enough to know that Elizabeth Warren is badmouthing Christian women who still stand for morality, but to see it coming from a Briefer...... **nononono*
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@musiclady
That's right! My own cross to bear is my silver tongue... If it were not for my highly overactive conscience, I would be a rich, rich man... And in that, as a type of potential thievery, I find thievery to be a kinda gray area... Not that I would take what ain't mine from someone personally - But I often think how easy it would be, and have to catch myself...
But that is not what this conversation is about - This is about accepting active 'thievery' or 'homosexuality' - Which is a different thing.
Exactly so.
Yep. And false as the day is long too, btw.
I can cede the point as you have framed it, but as a distinction without a difference. :shrug:
When one is willing to overlook blatant unrepentant sin, all bets are off for this nation. It is the same thing as endorsing immorality.
Look at adultery and fornication where we as a nation have already given in. Horrible sin that is now just part of the furniture...
YUP. :beer:
No serious problem with anything you've said here, but I do see a slight distinction if someone is a homosexual who isn't giving in to the sin and someone who is carrying the torch for blatant immorality.
Not that it's likely to ever be an issue, because people who are wise and spiritually aware enough to recognize their own sin aren't likely to be advertising it.
The point I was making was that homosexuality is indeed a sin, as other sins are, but the argument that one must accept a politician who is homosexual because everyone is a sinner is to me, completely bogus. (And the parallel to dismissing the heterosexual sins of politicians because we are "all sinners" is equally bogus).
We don't have to do what society is pushing us to do and accept any kind of moral sin as acceptable because it's been forced on us as no big deal............ or even worse preferable to chastity.
What Warren said here, to me, is hideous. I hate more than anything the left's attempt to put all women in the same leftist box and pretend that there aren't women who think for themselves or still hold to values that are eternal.
Warren, in trying to mock moral men, is mocking us all, and the One who created us...... male and female.
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..........................Trump is clearly stating that he is not a bigot who would vote against someone based solely upon their sexual preference. But clearly you are.
I guess following one's faith falsely makes one a bigot.... A bigot I guess I was meant to be if the definition meant accepting every perverted thing as normal and not daring to call it for what it is.
I don't so much mind that Trump says he would (perchance of course) vote for a homosexual... but that he draws the line (or circle with presumable Christians of Biblical faith in it) and places himself squarely outside of it as if those inside the circle are somehow wrong...
This plays out in my mind (embellished here of course)... Inside the circle ---> Bigot... Outside the circle ---> Great Unbigotry and inclusive worldly guru of loving gracefulness that plays 8th dimensional political chess to win win win.
Trump of course has played coy on the subject before... The NY Values interview has him trying to play the middle ground (lukewarm) on homosexual issues... I understand the value of a political non-position on some issues... I also understand I demand a position on some things (this being one of them).... Trump tap dances on both homosexuality and abortion... it is part of the reason I remain a Never-Trumper ... Others have a more flowing line in the sand (some may not have a line it seems), they don't have to answer for me come judgement day... and that is ok.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc#)
If our president (and others) considers me a bigot... nothing new.. Matthew 10:22/Luke 6:22 ... I care for the homosexuals more than others that wouldn't dare to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. If I was heading to such an end, only those that don't care for me would avoid telling me of my destruction. It seems a lot of folks don't really care for some of their fellow men and use "tolerance" and "bigotry" as the means to excuse it.
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Warren is just another typical Socialist...there's no higher power than the Government...none.
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And now for something completely different.
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And now for something completely different.
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Thank you!
It's bad enough to know that Elizabeth Warren is badmouthing Christian women who still stand for morality, but to see it coming from a Briefer...... **nononono*
@musiclady
Maybe we should have TBR posters pledge a loyalty oath to fundie Christianity? After all,we don't need nunna that "free thinking stuff round here",do we?
I bet you pulled this stuff on Freak Republic,too.
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I guess following one's faith falsely makes one a bigot.... A bigot I guess I was meant to be if the definition meant accepting every perverted thing as normal and not daring to call it for what it is.
I don't so much mind that Trump says he would (perchance of course) vote for a homosexual... but that he draws the line (or circle with presumable Christians of Biblical faith in it) and places himself squarely outside of it as if those inside the circle are somehow wrong...
This plays out in my mind (embellished here of course)... Inside the circle ---> Bigot... Outside the circle ---> Great Unbigotry and inclusive worldly guru of loving gracefulness that plays 8th dimensional political chess to win win win.
Trump of course has played coy on the subject before... The NY Values interview has him trying to play the middle ground (lukewarm) on homosexual issues... I understand the value of a political non-position on some issues... I also understand I demand a position on some things (this being one of them).... Trump tap dances on both homosexuality and abortion... it is part of the reason I remain a Never-Trumper ... Others have a more flowing line in the sand (some may not have a line it seems), they don't have to answer for me come judgement day... and that is ok.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc#)
If our president (and others) considers me a bigot... nothing new.. Matthew 10:22/Luke 6:22 ... I care for the homosexuals more than others that wouldn't dare to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. If I was heading to such an end, only those that don't care for me would avoid telling me of my destruction. It seems a lot of folks don't really care for some of their fellow men and use "tolerance" and "bigotry" as the means to excuse it.
goopo
Well worth another read in case Christian disappointment in the leadership of President Trump is still a mystery.
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Warren is just another typical Socialist...there's no higher power than the Government...none.
The more I hear her, the less I like her. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict Elizabeth Warren gets zero votes from Breifers in 2020!!! Prove me wrong!
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There are more than a few Briefers that think Me & You will vote for her because of her Indian Heritage @Once-Ler wink777
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The very same Liberals who fanatically criticize Christians and Religious Jews as stupid lunatics, all melt and fawn over barbaric murderous Muslims because they are so 'brave' <-translates to primitives in Liberal speak. Don't know how it happened, but somehow Muslims have become one of the Left's protected classes. They have made themselves into victims, which of course means that they can do no wrong.
It's those evil White people you have to look out for (said the Whitest Liberals on Earth).
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The more I hear her, the less I like her. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict Elizabeth Warren gets zero votes from Breifers in 2020!!! Prove me wrong!
@Once-Ler Her voice reminds me of the shrill voice of the bank president's secretary on the "Beverly Hills Hillbilly" teebee show from the 50's or 60's.
I would rather be beaten with a club that have to hear that voice every day.
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There are more than a few Briefers that think Me & You will vote for her because of her Indian Heritage @Once-Ler wink777
@corbe They can't prove it, and if you want to keep receiving our big money Deep State pay-checks you'll continue to deny your true alliances.
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@Once-Ler Her voice reminds me of the shrill voice of the bank president's secretary on the "Beverly Hills Hillbilly" teebee show from the 50's or 60's.
I would rather be beaten with a club that have to hear that voice every day.
@sneakypete
I learnt my goes-intos from that show
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H8e0MMwUec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H8e0MMwUec#)
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Ed, could sure pick em.
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The very same Liberals who fanatically criticize Christians and Religious Jews as stupid lunatics, all melt and fawn over barbaric murderous Muslims because they are so 'brave' <-translates to primitives in Liberal speak. Don't know how it happened, but somehow Muslims have become one of the Left's protected classes. They have made themselves into victims, which of course means that they can do no wrong.
It's those evil White people you have to look out for (said the Whitest Liberals on Earth).
It's almost like everyone on the left secretly converted to Islam.
Though the more logical reason is probably because the Liberals apply "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to the Islamo-fascists since both hate America and what it stands for.
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It's almost like everyone on the left secretly converted to Islam.
Though the more logical reason is probably because the Liberals apply "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to the Islamo-fascists since both hate America and what it stands for.
@txradioguy
I could easily be wrong,but I honestly think the left leadership really and truly believe THEY are the "True Masters of the World" because THEY are so much smarter than the rest of us,and that the poor ignorant Muslim savages will realize this and bow at their feet after the revolution and beg them to be their new Masters.
Arrogance and Ignorance are a rare combination in adults because most people afflicted with both traits died early,but these goobers had wealth to protect them and nothing they ever did in life has ever had any negative consequences.
So why would they think their plans for world domination wouldn't work out for them like everything else has?
SOMBODIE gonna be getting a RUDE shock when they push this crap to the "Action Point".
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@txradioguy
I could easily be wrong,but I honestly think the left leadership really and truly believe THEY are the "True Masters of the World" because THEY are so much smarter than the rest of us,and that the poor ignorant Muslim savages will realize this and bow at their feet after the revolution and beg them to be their new Masters.
Arrogance and Ignorance are a rare combination in adults because most people afflicted with both traits died early,but these goobers had wealth to protect them and nothing they ever did in life has ever had any negative consequences.
So why would they think their plans for world domination wouldn't work out for them like everything else has?
SOMBODIE gonna be getting a RUDE shock when they push this crap to the "Action Point".
You're right
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How about adding this possibility to the mix in this discussion?
The homosexual sinner is repentant and living a celibate, chaste life, recognizing his sin?
Yes, homosexuality is a sin, as other aforementioned sins are, but it is possible to recognize it as such and try as we all do to live holy lives.
The man/woman is not part of the leftist agenda to brainwash people into believing it is just an "alternate lifestyle," but admits that to act on his urges would be wrong.
The issue for me is the repentance. I would not have as much of a problem with Trump if he had ever admitted his serial adultery or grabbing women was wrong. He has not, so for me, I would have less of an issue with the homosexual, not giving in to his sinful nature than a heterosexual who thinks there's nothing wrong with doing whatever he feels like doing.
btw, back to the main thread topic....... Elizabeth Warren, in her condemnation of both Christian men and women is disgusting.
@Hoodat @roamer_1 @Chosen Daughter
Also - I tend to be in agreement with Hoodat in the point that there is a difference in saying one would vote for a homosexual and saying one WANTS to vote for a homosexual. Whether or not Trump wants to do the latter is debatable. His being a social liberal makes it seem possible that he would, but he hasn't said so specifically.
I think he was just pandering like the politician he is.
I can see what you are saying but to me there is absolutely no difference. Would, want. Because in order to use a "would" vote you would have to "want' to. Nobody forces anyone to vote any way. In saying what he did he was in my eyes saying he "would" "want" to perhaps. Like me saying I wouldn't means I don't want to vote for any Homosexual.
But I appreciate our difference in opinion.
I also love your comments. There is a difference between knowing you have a weakness and giving into sin. We all are sinners and face temptation. Good post!
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I can see what you are saying but to me there is absolutely no difference. Would, want. Because in order to use a "would" vote you would have to "want' to. Nobody forces anyone to vote any way. In saying what he did he was in my eyes saying he "would" "want" to perhaps. Like me saying I wouldn't means I don't want to vote for any Homosexual.
But I appreciate our difference in opinion.
I also love your comments. There is a difference between knowing you have a weakness and giving into sin. We all are sinners and face temptation. Good post!
Thanks!
The difference in our opinions is minor, but I figured it didn't hurt to express a slightly different take on things.
I understand the "difference without a distinction" that roamer brought up, but I do see a difference myself.
That said, I do believe that the homosexual agenda has succeeded in shaking us from our moorings as a moral society (filled with sinners, of course, but understanding the ideal), and though it seems that the majority of Republicans were only giving lip service to the values they claimed they held, I am disappointed that now neither party defends the views that moral Conservatives have always held.
No one is standing up for us in Washington any more.
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Thanks!
The difference in our opinions is minor, but I figured it didn't hurt to express a slightly different take on things.
I understand the "difference without a distinction" that roamer brought up, but I do see a difference myself.
That said, I do believe that the homosexual agenda has succeeded in shaking us from our moorings as a moral society (filled with sinners, of course, but understanding the ideal), and though it seems that the majority of Republicans were only giving lip service to the values they claimed they held, I am disappointed that now neither party defends the views that moral Conservatives have always held.
No one is standing up for us in Washington any more.
Very true. And they say Trump has done more for Christianity. Take the Johnson Act. Especially in this day and age where there is so many social agenda's I think that the Johnson Act actually protected religious freedom. This is not the country of the past. He has opened the door to our churches for political activism. Not freedom! And when the church is promoting immoral leaders based on OT passages and comparing presidents to Biblical leaders of the past we are in trouble. Because they have propped Trump up to be a king. Comparing him to King Cyrus. The church is doomed to turning to worldly leaders instead of Jesus. And we have opened the door to our Houses of Worship for whatever agenda a politician has.
Its just another crack in our faith in God. A distraction from Biblical truth. And we know that Trump did stand on stage with his gay flag. The church is falling to the world and many Christians are leading the way.