This writer is clueless
This writer is clueless
I've heard the "if you don't vote for Trump, you're voting for Biden" spiel enough times to vomit. 9999hair out0000
People should vote for the candidate they think is the best possible choice regardless of party.
Don't listen to people like Schlichter. Vote your conscience.
Nope! @LMAO It's time to look in your bathroom mirror if you want to see "clueless". Take your principles and shove it! We've got a Republic to save.
The writer is clueless. And it isn’t just about principles but policy.
The writer believes that Republicans who are choosing not to vote for Trump are doing it as part of an emotional exercise
But, and as your post proves, many people voting FOR Trump are the ones doing it as part of an emotional exercise
Let's see... go back to 2016 or continue down this path to anarchy and Communism? :pondering:
You're damned right it's an emotional exercise, Sir!
Then, as someone said upthread, vote your conscience
But you don’t get to dictate how others vote or tell others to sacrifice their values just to appease you
I'm not. Vote as you wish.@DCPatriot
Ignore reality. But face the consequences of ignoring reality. :shrug:
@DCPatriot
I believe you are correct in this matter.
I don't understand the visceral Trump-hatred that emanates from otherwise sensible people; especially those who ought to know just how dangerous and dire is our current state.
Another Biden term, as managed and directed by the Marxist-Leninist radicals who are using him as their puppet -will be the end of our Republic.
With Trump, flaws and all - we might have a chance. For me, that's a chance worth taking.
@DCPatriot
I believe you are correct in this matter.
I don't understand the visceral Trump-hatred that emanates from otherwise sensible people; especially those who ought to know just how dangerous and dire is our current state.
Another Biden term, as managed and directed by the Marxist-Leninist radicals who are using him as their puppet -will be the end of our Republic.
With Trump, flaws and all - we might have a chance. For me, that's a chance worth taking.
Conservatives disdain Trump the same way Christians disdain Swaggert and Baker. A false prophet for our cause.
@DCPatriot
I believe you are correct in this matter.
I don't understand the visceral Trump-hatred that emanates from otherwise sensible people; especially those who ought to know just how dangerous and dire is our current state.
Another Biden term, as managed and directed by the Marxist-Leninist radicals who are using him as their puppet -will be the end of our Republic.
With Trump, flaws and all - we might have a chance. For me, that's a chance worth taking.
@andy58-in-nh @DCPatriot
From the perspective of someone who won't vote for Trump, on thing that concerns me about him is that there is nobody to stand in his way when he starts advancing big government ideas. At least with Biden, you'll get Republicans in Congress who will try to minimize the damage he does simply because they are the opposition. But with Trump, it'll be just like it was during the pandemic. The fact that he's at least nominally a Republican -- and one with a fair amount of die-hard support in Congress -- means that there won't be conservative opposition to him. I'm guessing a Democrat President who would have tried some of what Trump did during Covid would have been blisteringly attacked by a lot of Republicans. But because it was Trump, most Republicans didn't oppose him strongly, if at all.
@andy58-in-nh @DCPatriot
From the perspective of someone who won't vote for Trump, on thing that concerns me about him is that there is nobody to stand in his way when he starts advancing big government ideas. At least with Biden, you'll get Republicans in Congress who will try to minimize the damage he does simply because they are the opposition.
But with Trump, it'll be just like it was during the pandemic. The fact that he's at least nominally a Republican -- and one with a fair amount of die-hard support in Congress -- means that there won't be conservative opposition to him. I'm guessing a Democrat President who would have tried some of what Trump did during Covid would have been blisteringly attacked by a lot of Republicans. But because it was Trump, most Republicans didn't oppose him strongly, if at all.
In recent times, even when in the majority, Republicans have been unable to advance a Constitutionalist agenda or to halt the schemes of their adversaries
More damage was done to liberty and the displacement of our constitution under Trump than anyone in the last 30+ years. Biden is awful. Trump is no better.
No. 'unwilling' is not 'unable'. There is a difference.
True. Republicans have largely been unwilling. Their residual inability stems from a stubborn refusal to learn how to govern, once in power.
Tell that to all the school kids are far behind their grade level because the schools were shut down. Tell that to all the people who's businesses were destroyed because of the shut down. Tell that to all the people with health problems due to "operation warp speed". Tell that to all the people that were denied time tested low cost drugs that were affective because they were banned. All to pave the way operation warp speed. That was all policy driven from the executive branch of government. It was his job to know better and at a minimum be guided by the limits of the constitution.
More damage was done to liberty and the displacement of our constitution under Trump than anyone in the last 30+ years. Biden is awful. Trump is no better.
And Trump still believes he did a great job handling COVID.
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was worse in this respect than Barack Obama? Or, for that matter George W. Bush, who promoted the Patriot Act and the FISA courts, which in the name of a "War on Terror" have subjected millions of innocent Americans to unrestrained infringements on their privacy, free speech and freedom of travel?
Trump certainly erred in thinking he could rely on an Executive Branch whose members were nearly 100% of the other party, and who sabotaged him at every turn. I am quite literally praying that he has learned from the past. With Joe Biden, his will - such as it is - will be done.
I'm guessing a Democrat President who would have tried some of what Trump did during Covid would have been blisteringly attacked by a lot of Republicans. But because it was Trump, most Republicans didn't oppose him strongly, if at all.
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was worse in this respect than Barack Obama? Or, for that matter George W. Bush, who promoted the Patriot Act and the FISA courts, which in the name of a "War on Terror" have subjected millions of innocent Americans to unrestrained infringements on their privacy, free speech and freedom of travel?
Trump certainly erred in thinking he could rely on an Executive Branch whose members were nearly 100% of the other party, and who sabotaged him at every turn. I am quite literally praying that he has learned from the past. With Joe Biden, his will - such as it is - will be done.
the treacherous weirdos who make a living off of going on MSNBC and selling out their former allies.
YES - The single most egregious destruction of liberty in my life - Right down to my door posts. Your points are all fine and true, but never before was I so confined, so unable to help myself, so very at the whim of the system, than I experienced during Tumpy's lockdown.
Trump resists national shutdown, leaving it up to states
Politico, Apr 2, 2020
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is resisting calls to issue a national stay-at-home order to stem the spread of the new coronavirus despite his administration’s projections that tens of thousands of Americans are likely to be killed by the disease. One by one, though, states are increasingly pushing shutdown orders of their own.
Trump said Wednesday he wants to give governors’ “flexibility” on whether a stay-at-home policy is the best option for their constituents but acknowledged that he’s looking at limiting air and rail travel between hot spots within the United States. The Republican president remains hesitant to press a unified policy even after the White House released “sobering” new projections on Tuesday that 100,000 to 240,000 Americans will likely succumb to the coronavirus even if current social distancing guidelines are maintained.
More: https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-united-states-c90b24e60a4853cebe96ec995b626f9b
Which state did President Trump lock down?
By JEREMY B. WHITE
04/13/2020 07:40 PM EDT
President Donald Trump, hours after governors on both coasts announced regional plans for reopening their states, asserted “total authority” over decisions about when and how to emerge after coronavirus shutdowns.
“When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total,” Trump said at a press briefing Monday when asked about the governors’ plans. “And that’s the way it’s got to to be. It’s total. It’s total. And the governors know that.”
Which state did President Trump lock down?
I know you'd like to insulate him from his culpability, but there is no way you can. He was standing there right beside Fauxi. It was HIS PLAN.
43 states out of 50 locked down.
Thus...
Trump claims ‘total authority’ over state decisions
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/13/trump-claims-total-authority-over-state-decisions-1275506
Nope! @LMAO It's time to look in your bathroom mirror if you want to see "clueless". Take your principles and shove it! We've got a Republic to save.
43 states out of 50 locked down.
Thus...
Trump claims ‘total authority’ over state decisions
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/13/trump-claims-total-authority-over-state-decisions-1275506
Trump completes reversal, telling govs ‘you are going to call your own shots’ and distributes new guidelines
CNN, Apr 16, 2020
CNN— President Donald Trump unveiled new guidelines on Thursday meant to help states loosen their social distancing restrictions, but in a retreat from his onetime claim of “absolute authority” to restart the economy, he told governors on an afternoon telephone call it was their decision on when and how to reopen.
The new guidelines, meant to speed Trump’s goal of restarting the country, won’t be mandatory. Many governors have already extended restrictions into May or banded into regional collectives that will determine their own reopening plans. The newest consortium was created in the Midwest on Thursday by Democratic and Republican governors.
But Trump, eager to see a return to normalcy for housebound Americans, wants to provide at least a framework for how places can reopen despite warnings from all corners that testing capacity for coronavirus is still too small.
He said Thursday there were some states that, according to his new plan, could be ready to reopen tomorrow.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/donald-trump-reopening-guidelines-coronavirus/index.html
@corbe
Mugshot?
. His recommendation empowered our governor. And every federal building was shut off, and every national bank, and many national level networks.
Steve Bullock, your Governor locked down the state of Montana. That's what you get for electing a democrat.
Trump wanted to unilaterally OPEN US businesses. The democrats and media went bat shit crazy. Predictably, Republicans/principled conservatives stood down and helped governors keep businesses in their states closed.
President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.
"My administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, avoid discretionary travel and avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts," Trump said.
(snip)
A reporter asked Trump "how long all of this might last" and if he had "any kind of estimate, if Americans really were to band together, do what the White House is suggesting, how quickly we can turn this corner."
Trump said that "people are talking about July, August, something like that." He said he likes to say it "washes through" but "other people don't like that term."
(snip)
Asked if this was "the new normal until the height of summer," Trump replied: "We'll see what happens. But they think August, it could be July, could be longer than that."
President Donald Trump had direct praise for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at a press conference Tuesday: "Great governor. Knows exactly what he’s doing." Trump hailed Florida's response to the novel coronavirus outbreak as he answered a question about the Republican's resistance to issuing statewide stay-at-home restrictions for Floridians.
Now, less than 24 hours after the administration revealed sobering data with death toll projections in the U.S. between 100,000 to 240,000 with social distancing and proper mitigation measures in place, DeSantis reversed course and told citizens in his state Wednesday afternoon to stay home for the next 30 days.
(snip)
DeSantis said he spoke with the president and other White House officials about Wednesday’s decision to order Floridians to stay at home, prior to the announcement.
"I did consult with folks in the White House. I did speak with the president about it," DeSantis said Wednesday. "He agreed with the approach of focusing on the hot spots but at the same time, you know, he understood that this is another 30-day situation and you gotta just do what makes the most sense."
Total lies, typical of a Trump cultist. Trump was all for the lockdowns and had no clue when they would end. He also pressured DeSantis and others to go along with Fauci and Birx.
Are you stupid or something?
@Right_in_Virginia clearly showed it was AFTER the shutdown...when "Two Weeks to Stop The Spread" became two months plus.
The Democrats and the Media went batshit crazy!
SO...let me ask you @Timber Rattler Who's lying? RIV or you? :whistle:
March, 29, 2020, is a day that should live in infamy. The national mitigation plan against Covid-19, “15 days to stop the spread,” was about to expire. In the Rose Garden, President Trump declared that lockdowns would continue for another 30 days. I tweeted: “President Trump just lost the election.”
When Mr. Trump announced his 2024 campaign Tuesday, he didn’t apologize for the lockdowns or even mention them. I supported him in 2016, and during his tenure he did much to dredge the political swamps, but his decision to approve and extend drastic Covid interventions should disqualify him for a second term.
The White House Coronavirus Task Force, led by Vice President Mike Pence, Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx, put the Constitution into an induced coma. Mr. Trump’s decision to adopt Chinese Communist Party tactics and close down the country gave license to states to amplify and extend these terrible policies, to governors to wield unprecedented executive powers, and to school districts to shut students out for months or even years.
Mr. Trump did very little to constrain this overreach. His dramatic Covid order shut down your business, barred your kids from school, denied you access to your church, your gym and your coffee shop. It suppressed screenings and treatments for cancer and other illnesses and kept people from visiting loved ones in the hospital or attending their funerals.
The only stupid people around here are you and RIV.
Here's another one for you two Trumper fools.
Covid Lockdowns Disqualify Trump in 2024
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-lockdowns-disqualify-trump-15-days-slow-spread-fauci-birx-business-family-funerals-2024-reelection-desantis-11668625280
One of these days, you'll figure it out.
#1. I merely asked if you were stupid.
#2. You CALLED me "stupid".
Ergo...according to your Admiral, @roamer_1 that's an ad hominem attack.
See how that works? :tongue2: :silly: :beer:
You are "saving" nothing.
You just perpetuate the ongoing destruction of the Republic.
Bugger off, loser.
You are "saving" nothing.
You just perpetuate the ongoing destruction of the Republic.
Compared to Biden/Obama? Are you stupid, too? WTF is wrong with you people?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=99IoN2pymfE&pp=ygUqd2hhdCBkbyB5b3UgbWVhbiB5b3UgcGVvcGxlIHRyb3BpYyB0aHVuZGVy
That's fixed. And Gianforte opened the state immediately - AGAINST Tumpy's wishes.
Trump announces Montana will lift restrictions Friday; Bullock says plan not finalized
MTN News, Apr 18, 2020
https://www.ktvq.com/news/coronavirus/trump-announces-montana-will-lift-restrictions-friday-bullock-says-plan-not-finalized
The only stupid people around here are you and RIV.
Here's another one for you two Trumper fools.
Covid Lockdowns Disqualify Trump in 2024
One of these days, you'll figure it out.
Who made the decision to lockdown a state @Timber Rattler ----- the governor or the President?
Bonus question: Name the seven governors who told the President "I am keeping my state open".
Compared to Biden/Obama? Are you stupid, too? WTF is wrong with you people?
And the 7 states and governors were Arkansas (Asa Hutchinson), Iowa (Kim Reynolds), Nebraska (Pete Ricketts), North Dakota (Doug Burgum), South Dakota (Kristi Noem ), Utah (Gary Herbert), and Wyoming (Mark Gordon).
You must stop listening only to the voices in your head @roamer_1 --- Trump tried to reopen Montana beginning Apr 18, 2020.
But, you elected a democrat governor, TWICE. Well done, fiddler.
Trump left reopening up to the states. DeSantis took a lot of flack from many in FL. Now he is being praised.
Ultimately that final decision was up to the governors.
Trump came after DeSantis for opening too soon and said he was killing people.
All of the crap rained down from the executive branch of the federal government who was setting guidelines.
Trump came after DeSantis for opening too soon and said he was killing people.
All of the crap rained down from the executive branch of the federal government who was setting guidelines.
So, any governor could have kept his or her state open. ---- Thanks for playing 88888cool
Ergo...according to your Admiral, @roamer_1
Trump came after DeSantis for opening too soon and said he was killing people.
All of the crap rained down from the house executive branch of the federal government who was setting guidelines.
My 2 sons vote independent, hoping in the long term that a 3rd party will become the primary governing party. With such a long term goal, I feel I'm throwing my vote away voting for a 3rd party candidate. We've had a 2 party Govt for so long. So I try to vote for the party that I feel will instill less government control than the other party. That comes from my AnCap Pipe Dreams.
If you support the democrats or republicans out of spite for the opposition, neither party has the incentive to find better candidates. Just look at the Trump campaign. It's nothing but a hate-fest. MAGA is about fear and loathing of the radical left. They have no principles. Rank and file democrats are not happy with Biden either, but they don't have the balls to deal with him because they are united in opposition to MAGA, whatever that represents at any given time.
You must stop listening only to the voices in your head @roamer_1 --- Trump tried to reopen Montana beginning Apr 18, 2020.
But, you elected a democrat governor, TWICE. Well done, fiddler.
LOL! Probably because the Republican candidate wasn't sufficiently Conservative in his opinion. /s
So, any governor could have kept his or her state open. ---- Thanks for playing 88888cool
So, any governor could have kept his or her state open. ---- Thanks for playing 88888cool
That's right - The distraction of 'voting against' the other side leaves your side free to do whatever - with your approval. That is the exact problem.
Do you think about the crap you post? Or is it just an emotional high because you think you're so clever that the facts/details will be overlooked?
I didn't vote for the Democrat.
I understand the point, but I don't really buy it. Elections are generally decided by a narrow enough margin that every vote matters. Even if 80% of voters are only voting against the other side, that other 20% still matters a lot.
Also, we see lots of politicians pander to voters by voting in favor of various programs or policies. They're not just pointing at the other side's negatives.
I don't really agree with the larger point that politicians "learn" from elections. Generally, there are just too many different issues, and voters are motivated by such widely disparate and often contradictory reasons that it is very rare you can isolate a single issue as "the" reason for a loss. Abortion and immigration, maybe. But that's about it.
LOL, so you think that's some sort of endorsement of Trump because the governors didn't resist him enough in his push for massive loss of the freedom and economic damage...
Do you think about the crap you post? Or is it just an emotional high because you think you're so clever that the facts/details will be overlooked?
Ah, just setting the record straight @DB President Trump did not close --- in any capacity --- any state in the union; the only ones with the authority to do that were the governors.
I don't know who peed in your Cheerios, but, again, I'm just setting the record straight. You're the one sounding in need of a strong mood stabilizing medication.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249712413219397632
Total denial of reality. Trump stood before the country and said he is shutting down businesses and schools to flatten the curve for 15 days - which continued more than a year. The video has already been posted. You can lie all you want, that is what HE did.
Trump issues ‘Coronavirus Guidelines’ for next 15 days to slow pandemic
CNBC, Mar 16, 2020
President Donald Trump on Monday announced a strict set of guidelines for Americans to follow for the next 15 days to try to “slow the spread” of the coronavirus. The recommendations call on people to sharply limit their normal behaviors when it comes to eating out, shopping and socializing.
At the same time, stock market indices posted record-breaking losses as states and cities took dramatic actions in efforts to reduce the rate of transmission.
Read all the guidelines:
*Listen to and follow the directions of your state and local authorities.
*If you feel sick, stay home. Do not go to work. Contact your medical provider.
*If your children are sick, keep them at home. Do not send them to school. Contact your medical provider.
*If someone in your household has tested positive for the coronavirus, keep the entire household at home. Do not go to work. Do not go to school. Contact your medical provider.
*If you are an older person, stay home and away from other people.
"If you are a person with a serious underlying health conditionthat can put you at increased risk (for example, a condition that impairs your lung or heart function or weakens your immune system), stay home and away from other people.
*Even if you are young, or otherwise healthy, you are at risk and your activities can increase the risk for others. It is critical that you do your part to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
*Work or engage in schooling from home whenever possible.
*If you work in a critical infrastructure industry, as defined by the Department of Homeland Security, such as health care service and pharmaceutical and food supply, you have a special responsibility to maintain your normal work schedule. You and your employers should follow Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance to protect your health at work.
*Avoid social gatherings in groups of more than 10 people.
*Avoid eating or drinking in bars, restaurants, and food courts — use drive-thru, pick-up or delivery options.
*Avoid discretionary travel, shopping trips and social visits.
*Do not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities unless to provide critical assistance.
*Practice good hygiene.
*Wash your hands, especially after touching any frequently used item or surface.
*Avoid touching your face.
*Sneeze or cough into a tissue, or the inside of your elbow.
*Disinfect frequently used items and surfaces as much as possible.
(https://fm-static.cnbc.com/awsmedia/chart/2020/03/16/CDC%20guidelines%201.1584396062607.PNG?w=929&h=523&vtcrop=y)
(https://fm-static.cnbc.com/awsmedia/chart/2020/03/16/CDC%20guidelines%202.1584396077026.PNG?w=929&h=523&vtcrop=y)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/trumps-coronavirus-guidelines-for-next-15-days-to-slow-pandemic.html
But they can wait a little bit longer. Just a little bit. Not – not much. Because safety has to predominate. We have to have that.
IIRC eventually Trump did leave it up to the states after some governors such as DeSantis went ahead and re-opened anyways knowing that ultimately it should be a state issue.
"For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons."
-Donald J. Trump-
None of that matters - It's all strategery.
I am talking about the individual vote - What it means. To me, I am no longer willing to buy into the plastic bullshit on the stump. It means nothing. But it is there to influence the unwary - It sounds good, so they buy in. But then that candidate gets elected and goes about party business instead of his supposed promises. And party business is diametrically opposed to those promises.
But he'll sell bullshit every 4 to six years and get elected again
and again.
and again.
At some point you - I mean !YOU! - have to take responsibility for the shit they're really doing. Y'all keep putting them in there.
Well that's what I have done. I am no longer willing to blindly endorse anyone when the party is just as corrupt and hell bent on globalism as the Democrats are.
And with that, my vote - My endorsement - suddenly gained in value, because of its rarity. Because it is no longer inflated by party bullshit. It means something now.
Tumpy is no different than Romney. Same thing. Same big-city liberal mentality. Tie that with his record and there is no way in hell he gains my approval.
What he is is exactly the opposite of what I believe in, and he's selling liberalism... To the Right. There is nothing to be gained in stategery with that.
So why EXACTLY should I vote for the exact opposite of what I want?
How does that profit me, or my political fellows?
To what end, if I throw my vote away on that?
It's LESS than disenfranchisement. It's actively approving that to which I am diametrically opposed. My vote at that point is less than worthless.
What a damning statement.
Brings to mind Benjamin Franklin's famous quote that "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I agree with that. I just don't think that "sending a message" by not voting for someone works.
I agree with that. I just don't think that "sending a message" by not voting for someone works.
I agree with that. I just don't think that "sending a message" by not voting for someone works.
So vote for em when they are not even vaguely what you want? When they are diametrically opposed to your principles? Because that works?
Absolutely not. I'm totally fine with not voting for either of them. I certainly won't be.
All I'm saying is that not voting for someone doesn't "send a message". I'm not voting for either of them simply because I can't support what either of them stand for. I just don't expect any future politician to change their approach, etc., simply because some folks didn't vote for Trump.
The non-votes are just one data point that may suggest a different candidate could get more support.
Well, there's always RFk Jr. *****rollingeyes*****I'll either write-in so eone, or just vote down ticket. Not voting for RFK Jr.
I'll either write-in so eone, or just vote down ticket. Not voting for RFK Jr.
Absolutely not. I'm totally fine with not voting for either of them. I certainly won't be.
All I'm saying is that not voting for someone doesn't "send a message". I'm not voting for either of them simply because I can't support what either of them stand for. I just don't expect any future politician to change their approach, etc., simply because some folks didn't vote for Trump.
The non-votes are just one data point that may suggest a different candidate could get more support.
I sorta agree with that - Because the tea-leaf readers will see Tumpy's failure on the Right as a pro-moderate lean, because the narrative is that Tumpy represents Conservatism, and the option therefore, would be to send in the moderates in force after the failure... Figuring to move the needle 'leftward'. But in reality, that false signal begins in the idea that Tumpy represents Conservatives. He does not.
I think the magic happens far to the right of Tumpy, and very much to the right of moderates. The old question still applies: Can the candidate join the legs of the 'three-legged stool' together and ride a Conservative juggernaut? Because without it, the Conservatives do not come together, and fade back into the tossing waves of factional politics.
That has always been the case on the Right. That's when the needle moves. So non-votes are pretty common.
Personally, I don't see this country coming back from Joe & Co. They're not done dismantling this country yet.
Personally, I don't see this country coming back from Joe & Co.
I'll be voting down ballot as well and definitely not voting for RFK. Jr.
I do
Why do people believe we are being run by superhuman masterminds?
Let's look at the people currently in charge;
Biden, Granholm, Austin, Kirby, Harris, . We have survived wars, a Civil War, Economic Recessions and Depressions, civil unrests, presidential assassinations
Yet, Biden and his cabinet will be the end of us, somehow
Same here
Although someone mentioned writing in Milton Friedman. I might go that route
Biden and his handlers have them beat and I don't believe those you mentioned are running the country. I believe it is Obama, Soros and other globalists.
* I live in a State that Trump will take easily (Texas)
I live in a state that Biden will take but with a plurality of the popular vote(Wisconsin)
Gee, one would think that Trump supporters would be bending over backwards trying to get your vote. But all they do is insult and ridicule. Go figure.
I sorta agree with that - Because the tea-leaf readers will see Tumpy's failure on the Right as a pro-moderate lean, because the narrative is that Tumpy represents Conservatism, and the option therefore, would be to send in the moderates in force after the failure... Figuring to move the needle 'leftward'. But in reality, that false signal begins in the idea that Tumpy represents Conservatives. He does not.
I think the magic happens far to the right of Tumpy, and very much to the right of moderates. The old question still applies: Can the candidate join the legs of the 'three-legged stool' together and ride a Conservative juggernaut? Because without it, the Conservatives do not come together, and fade back into the tossing waves of factional politics.
That has always been the case on the Right. That's when the needle moves. So non-votes are pretty common.
It is my understanding if you write in someone who hasn't qualified to be on the ballot -- your ballot is tossed aside.I am a poll worker. That is 100% true. Write ins must be on the pre-approved list. I laugh at the idiots who write in Mickey Mouse or Jesus Christ. You just made your ballot worthless and you have just wasted your time
It is my understanding if you write in someone who hasn't qualified to be on the ballot -- your ballot is tossed aside.
That's exactly the point. There are simply too many possible explanations for why a candidate lost that the motive behind a non-vote can be spun a lot of different ways. To me, a non-vote is a decision of conscience, not "sending a message".
Also, pure conservatives are never going to be an absolute majority. The best we can hope for is to be a majority within the Republican caucus so that we can elect a conservative Speaker, and then hopefully hold together the rest of the GOP coalition so that we have a working majority in the House as a whole.
Unfortunately, I think this particular Congress has kind of taken an axe to the concept of respecting generally the leadership of the majority. So, the chances of holding together a conservative-led coalition in a different Congress have taken a nosedive. Much more likely that future minority factions within the GOP will refuse to stay with a conservative-led coalition.
To me, it's an unforgivable act which calls for tar and feathering.
Today's 'principled' Conservatives are Benedict Arnolds to the Republic...Pontius Pilates who think it absolves them of any guilt in the outcome...the further destrucion of our nation.
Who do think George Washington, Samuel Adams or Thomas Jefferson would agree with today...on the present 'battlefield' and current circumstances?
Perhaps we see you as a Benedict Arnold to the Republic. You’re supporting a candidate who helped finance the campaigns of many people who helped bring this country to the shape its in today.
But like I said upthread, there is a possibility I could change my no vote. But that’s up to Trump himself. His sycophants don’t have any right to demand votes for him
You're all selfish egotists who ultimately stand for nothing...given the OBVIOUS reality unfolding before all of us on a daily basis.
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Also, pure conservatives are never going to be an absolute majority.
I am a poll worker. That is 100% true. Write ins must be on the pre-approved list. I laugh at the idiots who write in Mickey Mouse or Jesus Christ. You just made your ballot worthless and you have just wasted your time
I've never demanded a thing from any of you.
And like I've been posting since the NT majority here washed up on our front porch...I don't give a bleep about your phony principles. Withholding your votes not only puts all of us at peril, it robs your children and grandchildren of their opportunity to live in a FREE America.
You're all selfish egotists who ultimately stand for nothing...given the OBVIOUS reality unfolding before all of us on a daily basis.
You're all selfish egotists who ultimately stand for nothing...given the OBVIOUS reality unfolding before all of us on a daily basis.
That’s funny. Exact description of Trump.
I think MAGA is just as sure to destroy this country as are the Democrats. Just more slowly.
The difference is that the Democrats aren't going anywhere - there is always going to be a left. Get rid of MAGA, and there is at least the possibility that an actual conservative opposition to the left may arise.
Trump has had eight years to prove that he isn't a populist buffoon with no understanding of this country's founding principles and documents. He failed. He got my vote twice, but I I won't go down that MAGA road again because it's getting worse, not better.
I’m just curious what principles we’re supposed to set aside in order to vote for Trump? I don’t want them to have control of an overbearing federal government that we no longer can pay for any more than I want the left to have control of an overbearing federal government that we can’t afford to pay for
Take Covid for example. It is true that Donald Trump did not use the power of the federal government to stop states from reopening. But he was critical of them doing such, and he attacked the Swedish model. He still believes that he did a great job and handling Covid
Is there any reason to believe that he won’t follow that same pattern should there be another pandemic? And is how we dealt with Covid going to be how we handle every pandemic?
I would dispute Trump didn't use the power of the federal government to shut things down. Schools, hospital, etc all fall under federal regulation so to not follow federal guidelines results in massive issues for the states with federal funding of all those things. It also opens up the states to litigation because they were no longer under the federal umbrella of no liability for whatever they were doing
Which of the seven states that chose to ignore all federal recommendations faced even the hint of litigation or massive issues with federal funding because of it?
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They did it in spite of Trump
So you are sticking with Trump gave orders that caused massive damage to the country but it was the fault of the governors that listened to him?
Which of the seven states that chose to ignore all federal recommendations faced even the hint of litigation or massive issues with federal funding because of it?
You've quite a twisted worldview on this. pointing-up
The governors were asking for guidance. The President simply said: "Here's what we recommend, governors. You know your state's circumstances, you decide what what works best for you."
Heres a sample of what Trump really said
Our gradual reopening plans are moving along and they're moving along very rapidly," the president said. "The governors are making their decisions, and want to make their decisions, and that's the way I want it to, and we will step in if we see something going wrong, or if we disagree, and some people say that's nice, and some people say I shouldn't be doing that, but we're going to do it if we see something wrong."
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-tells-governors-reopening-federal-step-in-disagree/
Telling states that you will let them open up, but the federal government will step in if they see something they don’t agree with or see something that’s wrong without defining what that is not leaving it up to the states.
And here’s another
I'm going to put it very simply: the president of the United States has the authority to do what the president has the authority to do, which is very powerful. The president of the United States calls the shots," Trump said Monday evening, pressed on his claim during a news briefing at the White House.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1182836
She knows all that. She's simply being untruthful, repeatedly, on purpose.
Has Trump come out and admitted that there were mistakes made during Covid from his administration and, knowing what we know now of the damage that it did, he would follow a different course?
To me, it's an unforgivable act which calls for tar and feathering.
Today's 'principled' Conservatives are Benedict Arnolds to the Republic...Pontius Pilates who think it absolves them of any guilt in the outcome...the further destrucion of our nation.
Who do think George Washington, Samuel Adams or Thomas Jefferson would agree with today...on the present 'battlefield' and current circumstances?
I've never demanded a thing from any of you.
And like I've been posting since the NT majority here washed up on our front porch...I don't give a bleep about your phony principles. Withholding your votes not only puts all of us at peril, it robs your children and grandchildren of their opportunity to live in a FREE America.
You're all selfish egotists who ultimately stand for nothing...given the OBVIOUS reality unfolding before all of us on a daily basis.
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I think MAGA is just as sure to destroy this country as are the Democrats. Just more slowly.
Which of the seven states that chose to ignore all federal recommendations faced even the hint of litigation or massive issues with federal funding because of it?
That’s funny. Exact description of Trump.
Feel free to answer the question @DB
A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE FOR WORLD CHAOS, IT IS A VOTE FOR WORLD WAR!
A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE TO DEVALUATE THE DOLLAR, IT IS A VOTE TO CRASH THE AMERICAN DOMESTIC ECONOMY!
A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE FOR LAWLESS CITIES WHICH REWARD CRIMINALS AND PUNISH VICTIMS!
A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE TO 'SHUTDOWN AND CRIMINALIZE' ANY AND ALL AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION!
A VOTE FOR TRUMP WILL ONLY BRING CHAOS, STARVATION, AND HARDSHIP, ON ALL THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR HIM!
A vote for Trump is a vote for unemployment, bankruptcy, massive illegal invasion, and worldwide wars!
Well, if you really want to know, all 50 States were subject to the federal government threatening to withhold funds from hospitals if doctors prescribed ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. And the same for pharmacies filling those prescriptions.
But then you knew that already before offering up that stupid strawman.
Which of the seven states that chose to ignore all federal recommendations faced even the hint of litigation or massive issues with federal funding because of it?
What the hell does this asinine interruption pointing-up have to do with the question on the table: -----
Wait!! What?? You're confusing me @Maj. Bill Martin
What Republicans have stood in Biden's way these past 3-1/2 years?
On the other side of your point...what Republicans supported President Trump's call to build the wall on the Southern Border?
He was stabbed in the back by Republicans in the West Wing. The renegade Intelligence agencies ran amok with no interference by the GOP.
You guys appear desperate throwing contrarian arguments against the wall. You seem absolutely terrified of a Trump presidency but not the least bit concerned with a Biden 2nd term.
Most of them. To the extent you disagree, ask yourself why things like mass amnesty, that $6T second stimulus bill, national pro-abortion legislation, a bill to bar Trump from running, etc., etc., etc. haven't passed.YOU @Maj. Bill Martin have a very faulty memory! Either that or you have another agenda.
Again, most of them. Trump himself screwed up by not even pushing it hard until the second half of his term when we'd lost the House.
Every single Republican in the West Wing was there because Trump wanted them there. He had the power to fire any of them, at any time. He was just too lazy and poorly read to stay on top of things, and also too concerned with short-term popularity to do anything controversial.
Same issue he has with Fauci.
Why not try actually refuting our criticisms of Trump instead of just labelling them contrarian". Anyway, I'm not "terrified" of either Trump or Biden. I just think both would be monumentally crappy Presidents who would accelerate the decline of the country, albeit in different ways.
FWIW, on election might, I'll probably be hoping for Trump to win. But I cannot bring myself to vote for him again.
YOU @Maj. Bill Martin have a very faulty memory! Either that or you have another agenda.
Why not try actually refuting our criticisms of Trump instead of just labelling them contrarian".
Because they can’t refute them.
And they know it
Several posters have refuted them here multiple times already I personally refuse to allow you people to jerk me around anymore. If you wish to see them YOU find them!
Like your claim that prices went down when Trump was president only to have another poster prove you wrong. Or how about you dismissing the idea that Obama deported more people than Trump and instead of providing data as a rebuttal, you simply attacked the sources
Yeah, I guess you can say many of the criticisms of Trump have been “refuted.” Its just the rebuttals have been wrong :shrug:
So try again
PS: I'm sick of democrats who claim to be Republicans![/size]
Yet, curiously, you’re voting for Trump wink777
Anyway, I'm not "terrified" of either Trump or Biden. I just think both would be monumentally crappy Presidents who would accelerate the decline of the country, albeit in different ways.
FWIW, on election might, I'll probably be hoping for Trump to win. But I cannot bring myself to vote for him again.
:yowsa: And you are not! Thereby opening the door for four more years of Democrat (read Communist) rule.
:yowsa: And you are not! Thereby opening the door for four more years of Democrat (read Communist) rule.
There was a time when conservatives understood that using government spending to prop up the economy worked for a short while.
So if Trump follows his economic model and inflation continues to be a problem or worse, we go into an economic crisis, who or what are his supporters going to blame? Biden? Obama? The deep state? The Media? The Democrats? Conservatives? Or perhaps all the above
So if Trump follows his economic model and inflation continues to be a problem or worse, we go into an economic crisis, who or what are his supporters going to blame? Biden? Obama? The deep state? The Media? The Democrats? Conservatives? Or perhaps all the above
The congress! Where the blame belongs!
The two previous posts outline the problem. They will not hold Trump accountable for anything. They’ll blame everything and everybody else
So I take it, based on your post, that you hold Biden blameless? Or is this just a carve out for Donald Trump?
My question is rhetorical
Jesus H. Christ, Himself, won't be able to get this economy back on track without the American People suffering excruciatingly high interest rates on borrowing money.
And if TBR NeverTrumpers insist on blaming him for the huge deficits incurred because of the Covid Stimulus handouts ($2800) to every registered citizen, they'll have orgasms blaming him for occupying the Oval Office during the next four years.
During Ronald Reagan's presidency, I sold real estate in Washington, D.C. when fixed 30 year rates were so high, they enacted usury laws. A fixed 15% 30 year rate was a 'bargain'...if you could find it.
And all you guyz can dance around the minefield all you want with your phony 'concern' for him being railroaded in the courts at the moment. You're all liars who can't hide your glee while typing posts claiming the opposite.
You all make me sick to my stomach.
NO! I don't hold Biden blameless! I hold him personally accountable for virtually everything he's done in office including reversing all of Trump's EOs as soon as he walked in. Joe Biden is a crook and has never been anything other!
you gave the answer that I thought you would. wink777
Jesus H. Christ, Himself, won't be able to get this economy back on track without the American People suffering excruciatingly high interest rates on borrowing money.
And if TBR NeverTrumpers insist on blaming him for the huge deficits incurred because of the Covid Stimulus handouts
During Ronald Reagan's presidency, I sold real estate in Washington, D.C. when fixed 30 year rates were so high, they enacted usury laws. A fixed 15% 30 year rate was a 'bargain'...if you could find it.
And all you guyz can dance around the minefield all you want with your phony 'concern' for him being railroaded in the courts at the moment. You're all liars who can't hide your glee while typing posts claiming the opposite.
You all make me sick to my stomach.
Absolute nonsense. The only thing required to get the economy back on track is for the federal government to stop spending money it doesn't have. Allow capital to flow to those who actually do create wealth instead of it being confiscated by an entity that creates no wealth. But then you are already on record here opposing that.
I can't speak for the small handful of Never-Trumpers here. But for us #NeverLiberals, we fully understand that not only does the Executive Branch have veto power over the Legislature, but said branch is also the one put in charge of all the spending. The President also has the advantage of the Bully Pulpit which can go a long way towards influencing Congress, especially with the Senate under GOP control for all four years of Trump's Presidency. Only a weak-ass feckless schmuck would let Congress run over him roughshod, that is unless that schmuck was fully on board with all that spending from the get-go like Trump was.
During Ronald Reagan's Presidency, the government actually borrowed money from the existing supply. In other words, they had to compete for those dollars. Hence, interest rates reflected that demand.
But during Trump's Presidency, the government didn't do that. Instead of competing for existing dollars, they simply printed up new ones to fund government, which allowed them to set interest rates near zero. And by doing so, they effectively stole the value of that money from everyone else through devaluation.
Show me where I lied.
If Trump came out and admitted that there’s been mistakes made by not only his administration, but administrations before him, and started sounding more like Javier Milei vs Bernie Sanders, I would reconsider my #NeverLiberal position
He has never repented to G_d for his mistakes (because he has done nothing to repent) do you think he will admit to any mistakes he made to voters?
He has never repented to G_d for his mistakes (because he has done nothing to repent) do you think he will admit to any mistakes he made to voters?
He has never repented to G_d for his mistakes (because he has done nothing to repent) do you think he will admit to any mistakes he made to voters?
No
More than that, he lauds himself. He sees no mistake. He thinks he's right.
He has never repented to G_d for his mistakes (because he has done nothing to repent) do you think he will admit to any mistakes he made to voters?
ROFL! Look in the danged mirror!
Project much??
If Trump came out and admitted that there’s been mistakes made by not only his administration, but administrations before him, and started sounding more like Javier Milei vs Bernie Sanders, I would reconsider my #NeverLiberal position
Same here. There are a lot of things about Trump that I like. But for the things that really matter, Trump is the enemy of Conservatism.
Nope. I don't give a crap what he 'sounds like'.
Because he can 'sound like' anything.
It's what he DOES that matters.
And that train has already left the building.
It's already written.
And that shows what he is.
The record does not lie.
Most of us knew what he was about before his infamous escalator ride without watching his reality tv show.
Correct. And his record is evidence of what a second term would be like.
That’s why he would have to admit to the mistakes of his first term and ask for penance.
Would he be bullshitting? Perhaps. But I would take that risk in the slight chance he was sincere.
Same here. There are a lot of things about Trump that I like. But for the things that really matter, Trump is the enemy of Conservatism.Humility is definitely not a word in Trump's very limited vocabulary. Maybe it's just innate or his parents put it into him, but he makes it very clear he thinks he's the greatest person in world history.
Most of us knew what he was about before his infamous escalator ride without watching his reality tv show.
Though Donald Trump's presidential campaign has thus far been a series of unfortunate events, this isn't the real estate mogul's first time at the election rodeo. Since the late 1980s, Trump has threatened, with varying degrees of seriousness, to enter the race.
Here is a timeline of Trump's history in politics:
1987-1988: Trump considers a run for president, while simultaneously juggling large debts stemming from his purchase of the Taj Mahal casino.
2000: Trump enters the presidential race as a Reform Party candidate and receives more than 15,000 votes in the party's California primary.
2003-2004: Trump begins hosting the reality show The Apprentice on NBC, which he also executive-produces. He again mulls a run for president, but ultimately decides not to join the race.
March 2011: A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Trump leading all presidential contenders, including Mitt Romney.
April 2011: Amid more research polls indicating that he would be the preferred Republican presidential candidate among voters, Trump repeatedly calls for President Obama to release his long-form birth certificate, questioning whether Obama was actually born in the United States. (Obama eventually complies and releases the birth certificate.)
May 2011: Trump officially announces that he will not run for president.
February 2012: Trump endorses Republican candidate Mitt Romney for president.
2013: Trump forms a presidential exploratory committee and, despite a strong backing from Republican voters, announces that he has no interest in running for governor of New York in 2014.
February 2015: Trump decides not to renew his Apprentice contract, fueling speculation that he's mulling a run for president.
June 2015: Trump formally announces that he's running for president in a speech delivered from Trump Tower in New York City. Almost immediately, corporations and individuals that have partnerships with Trump - including Macy's, NBC and Univision - begin to sever ties with the mogul because of disparaging comments he made about Mexicans in the speech announcing his candidacy.
July 2015: Trump comes under fire after revealing Republican rival Lindsey Graham's phone number of live TV and criticizing John McCain for being a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
Here's a Timeline of Every Time Donald Trump Ran for President [through July 2015]QuoteFebruary 2012: Trump endorses Republican candidate Mitt Romney for president.
Never been a sinner...never sinned. :laugh: