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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: sinkspur on September 27, 2016, 11:14:29 pm
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Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
by DAVID FRENCH
September 27, 2016 2:39 PM
His insistence that NATO ‘could be obsolete’ is music to Putin’s ears.
Last night, it became crystal clear. The GOP nominated a dangerous, unfit man to be president of the United States. When it came to foreign affairs, where the president’s power is at its peak, Trump is showing himself to be ignorant, unprepared, and impulsive. Indeed, it’s hard to think of three worse qualities in a potential commander-in-chief.
In presidential elections, Americans understandably tend to focus on domestic policy. It has a more immediate effect on their lives, and the issues are far more familiar. Yet domestic policy is precisely the arena where the president faces his or her most profound limits. For all his undeniable expansion of presidential power, not even Barack Obama at his “pen and phone” worst has been able to implement vast segments of his domestic agenda. He’s ending two terms without cap and trade, without comprehensive immigration reform, and without new gun-control measures. His worst bureaucratic initiatives can be undone by any subsequent president.
But in foreign policy, the modern American president has become a virtual monarch. He or she can launch military actions without congressional approval (just ask Presidents Clinton and Obama), reach agreements with foreign nations, and establish or rescind diplomatic relations. The Constitution is supposed to check the power of the president to declare war or to enter treaties, but presidents have been shedding those restraints for generations. The president holds the power of war and peace in his or her hands, and the entire world — including our enemies — pays attention to the president’s every word and deed.
If you’re a geopolitical rival of the United States, Trump is a delight. He’s America’s leading Putin apologist, wasting several agonizing turns in the debate defending Russia from the charge of meddling in U.S. elections and bizarrely wondering if a “400-pound” man “sitting on their bed” hacked Democratic National Committee e-mails. He said he hasn’t “given lots of thought to NATO” and then went ahead and proved the truth of that statement by fundamentally misunderstanding the alliance. He treats it as a glorified protection racket whereby NATO countries allegedly pay us to defend Europe and they’re not paying what they owe. He even doubled down on his claim — an incredibly bizarre claim given Russia’s military resurgence — that NATO “could be obsolete.”
This is of course music to Vladimir Putin’s ears, but it’s deeply threatening to American national security. America isn’t in the NATO alliance out of altruism. Since the founding of this nation, each and every time there has been a general European conflict, America has been pulled into the fray. The Napoleonic wars were key in triggering the War of 1812, a stalemate of a conflict fought largely on American soil. The two world wars collectively cost more than half a million American lives, and our toll was light compared with that of our European allies. During the Cold War, NATO helped preserve the very existence of the free world, and now it is the primary check on Russian aggression. Obsolete? Hardly. It has saved countless American lives.
But Trump was hardly finished. Not content with defending Russia and trashing NATO, he went on a rant about Japan, South Korea, and, bizarrely, Saudi Arabia:
Nuclear is the single greatest threat. Just to go down the list, we defend Japan, we defend Germany, we defend South Korea, we defend Saudi Arabia, we defend countries. They do not pay us. But they should be paying us, because we are providing tremendous service and we’re losing a fortune. That’s why we’re losing — we’re losing — we lose on everything. I say, who makes these — we lose on everything.
Once again: We don’t enter into treaties merely out of the goodness of our hearts. We have established defense relationships with Germany, South Korea, Japan, and other nations (we don’t have a collective defense treaty with Saudi Arabia) in large part because American national security and the American way of life depend on global peace and security. In a connected world, we simply can’t retreat behind our borders and expect to remain safe or prosperous.
And while many of our allies can and should provide more resources for their own defense, they will always allocate a lower percentage of their gross domestic product for their militaries than the U.S. does, because they don’t have the same international reach. Given history, do we really want Japan and Germany to become global military superpowers? But that doesn’t mean our allies don’t have skin in the game. In the event of a second Korean conflict, the South Korean military would bear the brunt of the fighting — and take the vast majority of the allied casualties. Europeans make up the great majority of actual NATO boots on the ground in Europe, and our own deployment is a fraction of its former strength.
Treaties aren’t business deals, nor are they protection rackets. They have been the hallmark of bipartisan American foreign policy since 1945, because liberals and conservatives alike have understood the profound risks of true American disengagement. Even the Obama administration, for all its fecklessness, hasn’t raised the specter of American retreat to the same extent as Trump has.
Trump has been running for president for 15 months. Businessman or not, that’s more than enough time to understand our treaty obligations — including the reasons for the relationships that have helped keep America out of a catastrophic war. If Trump truly believed that “nuclear is the single greatest threat,” he’d be wary both of nuclear proliferation and of discarding key allies. Geopolitics, like nature, abhors a vacuum, and American retreat almost always triggers a rival’s advance.
A loud ignorant man is still ignorant. A blustering impulsive man is still impulsive. Last night an unprepared Trump proved that he’s not ready to be commander-in-chief. He’s most dangerous where he has the most power, and that should send a chill down every American spine.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440458/donald-trump-debate-foreign-policy-nato-allies-treaties-vladimir-putin?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=57eaf39d04d30108954670fe&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
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America cannot afford an ignorant, intellectually vapid president. Trump has no intellectual curiosity. He doesn't even care that he doesn't know and he is not interested in learning.
He's a 70 year old child.
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Trump demonstrated last night that not only is he dangerous to free trade and our alliances,
.. he also admitted he is a criminal tax cheat while doing everything he could to talk about how great he was and promoting his businesses.
He is far more dangerous to our liberties and possibly our lives than Hillary is, to be certain.
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not even Barack Obama at his “pen and phone” worst has been able to implement vast segments of his domestic agenda. He’s ending two terms without cap and trade, without comprehensive immigration reform, and without new gun-control measures.
Off the topic, but ...
Does anyone think this would be the case if we had two houses of Congress in Democrat control?
Those who say the Republicans in Congress have "done nothing" are off their rockers. Sure, there's no conservative supermajority, but it's also better than we'd have done with Dems in there.
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When Trump first started his run, I was amused by him. At the time, I thought his candidacy was a vanity thing, that very soon he would get bored and drop out. Well, Trump has stayed in and my amusement has been replaced with alarm. Trump should not be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.
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Off the topic, but ...
Does anyone think this would be the case if we had two houses of Congress in Democrat control?
Those who say the Republicans in Congress have "done nothing" are off their rockers. Sure, there's no conservative supermajority, but it's also better than we'd have done with Dems in there.
Oh I'd say considering gay marriage is a thing, Planned Parenthood is fully funded, BLM is shutting down law enforcement, the GOP has given Obama every funding extravaganza hes asked for, multiple investigations go nowhere, IRS heads remain unimpeached, Illegals and so called refugees stream unchecked across the border, people are thrown out of the military over Trannies and heaven forbid, killing the enemy, men in the women's bathrooms by presidential decree and about a thousand other things...
...that Barry's foreign/domestic/immigration agenda is moving along spectacularly under the GOP's ongoing support. I would further say that anyone thinking the Dems could have accomplished more than the Republicans have on Barry' behalf has a tough job ahead showing it.
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He also admitted that he uses the bankruptcy laws to line his own pocketbook and cheat others. That is not the intention of the law. I think the bankruptcy laws should be changed in a way that does not allow someone like Donald Trump to become a billionaire at the expense of the little guys.
Yup...it's called character. He sees no difference between "legal" and "ethical" or "moral".
Bankruptcy laws are meant to help someone get back onto feet and productive again. He used it like a handout to enrich himself.
We've all heard about people getting help when poor and then paying back when they strike it rich. If Trump has so much money, he should pay back those people he ripped off, rather than brag about stealing from them.
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When Trump first started his run, I was amused by him. At the time, I thought his candidacy was a vanity thing, that very soon he would get bored and drop out. Well, Trump has stayed in and my amusement has been replaced with alarm. Trump should not be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.
My feelings exactly and more eloquent. Thank you blij26
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Those who say the Republicans in Congress have "done nothing" are off their rockers. Sure, there's no conservative supermajority, but it's also better than we'd have done with Dems in there.
Is it?
I recall that Obama got more of his agenda and unConstitutional power grabs passed or ignored under a GOP controlled House and Senate than when Pelosi and Reid ran the show.
Not only the rubber stamping - but legitimizing the lawlessness itself with their kabuki theater surrenders and inaction.
What good is a guard dog when they invite the burglars in because they want to play or have a treat to share?
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Is it?
I recall that Obama got more of his agenda and unConstitutional power grabs passed or ignored under a GOP controlled House and Senate than when Pelosi and Reid ran the show.
Not only the rubber stamping - but legitimizing the lawlessness itself with their kabuki theater surrenders and inaction.
What good is a guard dog when they invite the burglars in because they want to play or have a treat to share?
It's just another way of empowering/promoting the idea of 'elect the lesser evil no matter what". Same disaster dressed in a different skirt.
It got us to where we are today so lets keep doing it!
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I just found it ironic that the man who sees not paying contractors as doing good business was on stage ranting about people not paying the US.
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I just found it ironic that the man who sees not paying contractors as doing good business was on stage ranting about people not paying the US.
And that is why I've abandoned this presidential election to the whims of fate.
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But in foreign policy, the modern American president has become a virtual monarch. He or she can launch military actions without congressional approval (just ask Presidents Clinton and Obama), reach agreements with foreign nations, and establish or rescind diplomatic relations. The Constitution is supposed to check the power of the president to declare war or to enter treaties, but presidents have been shedding those restraints for generations. The president holds the power of war and peace in his or her hands, and the entire world — including our enemies — pays attention to the president’s every word and deed.
According to the Constitution, Congress has the power to declare war. The era of strategic nuclear weapons led to Presidential power, simply because, given a half hour notice, most of Congress will be headed anywhere BUT Washington DC for a vote, and any response to a first strike will likely have to be in the air long before they could reach a quorum if they did.
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Off the topic, but ...
Does anyone think this would be the case if we had two houses of Congress in Democrat control?
Those who say the Republicans in Congress have "done nothing" are off their rockers. Sure, there's no conservative supermajority, but it's also better than we'd have done with Dems in there.
I think you're confusing 'conservative' with GOP. Currently, the GOP is NOT conservative but filled with members of the GOP who vote along with the liberals and let's not forget the terrible leadership under McConnell and Boehner. I guess I'm one of the crazies who thinks that the GOP should have gotten their crap together, grown a conservative pair and stopped the liberal progressive movement!
Take a look back in time as well. For 40 years the DEMS held the House and for 26 of those years the DEMS held both houses!!
Under 'W's reign, his last 4 years the DEMS held both Houses and we can see what an impact that had on his administration. There was a definite difference in conservatism during his first four years in office and his last four years in office.
As you are well aware, it's only been the last 2 years that we've held both Houses and we cannot afford to lose the Senate; especially if Hillary in control.
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I just found it ironic that the man who sees not paying contractors as doing good business was on stage ranting about people not paying the US.
I don't doubt he had ways of collecting his money, though. Maybe he can have some 'friends' quit picking up their garbage or something...then get them cited them for health code violations. Nice country you got there. It's be a real shame if sumpin' was to happen to it...
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I think you're confusing 'conservative' with GOP.
Nope.
Currently, the GOP is NOT conservative but filled with members of the GOP who vote along with the liberals and let's not forget the terrible leadership under McConnell and Boehner.
That's part of my point.
We have an election or two, putting in a chunk of critters to represent conservatism, into a sea of well entrenched liberals who have been building power over decades, and we expect miracles..? That's like a kid walking into a pet shop with his piggy bank and wanting a pony. Ya gotta be patient, and build and consolidate power like the Left does.
Take a look back in time as well. For 40 years the DEMS held the House and for 26 of those years the DEMS held both houses!!
GOP did. That doesn't mean they are all conservatives, as you point out. Plus, it's not a supermajority. Plus, we have an electorate that isn't aligned with conservatism to the extent that they wouldn't vote out some of the members next election.
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GOP did. That doesn't mean they are all conservatives, as you point out. Plus, it's not a supermajority. Plus, we have an electorate that isn't aligned with conservatism to the extent that they wouldn't vote out some of the members next election.
I recall it was like :banging: trying to get other people here to vote out the Dems and vote Republicans into Congress, (currently, split in the Senate, GOP in the House) because their Democrats had seniority. It took a long time of "What good is seniority if they're using it against you?" before that fog lifted.
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I recall it was like :banging: trying to get other people here to vote out the Dems and vote Republicans into Congress, (currently, split in the Senate, GOP in the House) because their Democrats had seniority. It took a long time of "What good is seniority if they're using it against you?" before that fog lifted.
Yup. One of the very few good arguments for the bad idea of term limits. Currently, there's little incentive for turnover.
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Excellent point.
Here's something else.
The idea that China and other countries are "stealing" our jobs is central to his campaign. Another boogeyman that's not playing "fair". Yet, he then turns around and admits that he manufactures his product in China because there are too many regulations and taxes here, while threatening to tax cheaper imported goods (which would raise prices to the consumer) in the name of defending those whose jobs were "stolen" by China et al, and whose prices would go up because of his tariffs.
THEN he talks about cutting taxes to the wealthy and brags about not paying taxes because he's smart.
This is what his supporters call "the everyman".
(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/facepalm.png)
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I just found it ironic that the man who sees not paying contractors as doing good business was on stage ranting about people not paying the US.
Why is that Luis...you don't think the US does a good job protecting Japan, S. Korea, Europe, KSA, etc?
Or are you just a little miffed that this happened in your back yard?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtZ7OyOWIAAyGPo.jpg)
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Why is that Luis...you don't think the US does a good job protecting Japan, S. Korea, Europe, KSA, etc?
Or are you just a little miffed that this happened in your back yard?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtZ7OyOWIAAyGPo.jpg)
My back yard?
As a typical Trump supporter, you can't respond to anything with any level of substance.
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I just found it ironic that the man who sees not paying contractors as doing good business was on stage ranting about people not paying the US.
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
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Plus, we have an electorate that isn't aligned with conservatism to the extent that they wouldn't vote out some of the members next election.
That is exactly why we don't have Cruz as our nominee ...
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
Trump tonight:
Trump expanding his campaign pledge to EVERYTHING: "We have 41 days to make possible every dream you've ever dreamed."
Like Huey Long, this sumbitch believes government can solve every problem and fulfill every desire.
Very Soviet.
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@Luis Gonzalez Was that your twin brother telling people that Trump was in for a rude surprise from...Romney voters in Florida?
Sure it was... :laugh:
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That is exactly why we don't have Cruz as our nominee ...
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
Never figured Cruz to become a Trump throne-sniffer. He's anathema to conservatives.
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
Interesting.
So now Trump supporters are supporting THEFT.
When I contract services - say having some high definition trade show banners and booths manufactured - and I take possession of the project and refuse to pay - even if I claim that they are not up to specs - then I can be arrested and charged for theft.
A contractor will usually make good on a service rendered if it is unsatisfactory. But if a service is contracted - and the contractor is unpaid, then that is theft.
But the Trump people excuse every single deviant behavior their prince displays. Same as Obama's worshippers do him.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
You do deserve him. He shares your lack of principles and support of a liberal.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
Look how quickly you embraced Cruz the moment he kissed the ring of your prince and bent over to be violated.
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
Then why did he invite same contractors to bid on the next project? Why did he not replace the work if it wasn't up to spec?
He flat-out stiffs contractors who can't afford to fight him...everyone in NYC knows that!
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
YOU have to create some kind of reason to excuse your support for Trump. so YOU are are fabricating a situation where Trump stiffing contractors on a regular basis is justified.
His business tactic have always included renegotiating contracts after the fact. A well-known fact long before he decoded to run for POTUS.
Support him if you will, you'll get no argument from me, but do not try to cover my eyes then tell me that it's night time.
Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot, in South Florida, has been waiting more than two years to get paid for his work at [a Trump golf resort called] the Doral. The Paint Spot first filed a lien against Trump’s course, then filed a lawsuit asking a Florida judge to intervene.
In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.
That, and other evidence, convinced the judge The Paint Spot’s claim was credible. He ordered last month that the Doral resort be foreclosed on, sold, and the proceeds used to pay Enriquez the money he was owed. Trump’s attorneys have since filed a motion to delay the sale, and the contest continues.
Enriquez still hasn’t been paid.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-didnt-pay-his-bills-for-decades.html
I'll be at the Doral tomorrow morning on unrelated business.
Stop in and we can go inspect the "shoddy work".
I'm sure that had trump complained about the quality of the work not meeting his standards, Enriquez would have been happy to make any corrections needed to satisfy his client.
Enriquez, BTW, is the kind of an American that Trump claims to want to represent.
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Another tidbit from the New Yorker article:
Trump allegedly withheld more than $83,000 from a Philadelphia cabinetry company that made “bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah’s at Trump Plaza.”
The owner of the company was informed of this, Reilly reports, at a bizarre meeting with Trump during which Trump told him that, while he wouldn’t be paid fully for the work because of its shoddiness (despite the fact that the casino’s general contractor had already approved it), his company “could work on other Trump projects in the future.” In other words, Your work’s no good — let’s work together again sometime. The owner’s son told Reilly that the shortcoming was a major hit to the company, and that “[a]fter standing up to Trump … the family struggled to get other casino work in Atlantic City.” The company went bankrupt in 1989.
Let me repeat the pertinent idea here:
Trump told him that, while he wouldn’t be paid fully for the work because of its shoddiness (despite the fact that the casino’s general contractor had already approved it), his company “could work on other Trump projects in the future.” In other words, Your work’s no good — let’s work together again sometime.
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He also admitted that he uses the bankruptcy laws to line his own pocketbook and cheat others. That is not the intention of the law. I think the bankruptcy laws should be changed in a way that does not allow someone like Donald Trump to become a billionaire at the expense of the little guys.
"It's called doin' business." Donald Trump.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
Amen to that. I'm disgusted with the dissing of Cruz here. I don't agree with what he did but I believe that he thought Trump might ... just might ... do better on judges than Hillary. And so he spoke out even though he knew full well that a lot of haters would disown him.
I think Trump has brought out the dark side in everyone.
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Why is that Luis...you don't think the US does a good job protecting Japan, S. Korea, Europe, KSA, etc?
Or are you just a little miffed that this happened in your back yard?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtZ7OyOWIAAyGPo.jpg)
That is a load of really stupid people right there. Sad to see.
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America cannot afford an ignorant, intellectually vapid president. Trump has no intellectual curiosity. He doesn't even care that he doesn't know and he is not interested in learning.
He's a 70 year old child.
@sinkspur
Sink, you are so right about this. I truly believe he will start a nuclear war due to his pervasive personality disorder and I still believe he has a learning disability and he MUST prove to himself he is the smartest, greatest, person who ever lived. He will, because he HAS TO, insult every country's leader and that will likely provoke a nuclear war. I have said it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court if you are dead. Plus, we have no idea who he really would put forward to be on the Supreme Court. That one reason for voting for him is a short sighted reason when compared to the danger he presents.
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
And what were those standards? 50% or more off the agreed upon contract price?
If no one came along later and tore it out and replaced it, either it was up to snuff, or Trump is selling second-rate construction. Hmmmmm.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
He isn't running for president, now. I couldn't vote for him if I want to.
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He isn't running for president, now. I couldn't vote for him if I want to.
I think someone (a lot of someones actually) is upset that all the talking points they had prepared to slam former Cruz supporters with went out the window when they discovered that we actually DO stand by our principles and not sellouts. Integrity confuses them.
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I think someone (a lot of someones actually) is upset that all the talking points they had prepared to slam former Cruz supporters with went out the window when they discovered that we actually DO stand by our principles and not sellouts. Integrity confuses them.
That, and the idea that we arrived at the same place, not by following someone else, but through our own thoughts, beliefs, and principles. After all that careful consideration (in some cases, decades of it), why would we abandon our principles because someone else made a choice we find questionable?
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If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.
Trump has no standards. That is why he is friends with the Clintoons, married to a whore and cites Sean Hanitty and Howard Stern in a Presidential debate.
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That is a load of really stupid people right there. Sad to see.
Snoopp Dog and Whiz Khalifa concerts draw 15 to 17 thousand attendees, depending on the venue's capacity.
Does that make them good musicians or does it make the crowd fans of crap?
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Let me repeat the pertinent idea here:
Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?
No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago. :shrug:
Trump or Clinton...pick one
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Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?
No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago. :shrug:
Trump or Clinton...pick one
Binary choice? It's two zeroes!
And yes, history matters.
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Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?
No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago. :shrug:
Trump or Clinton...pick one
YOU don't give a "duck". Some (many) do.
YOU have a self-imposed binary choice, I don't.
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You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
Principles are more important than any politician or personality
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And yes, history matters.
The breakdown in the Middle East matters, unfettered immigration matters, tax reform and economic growth matters, Scalia's replacement matters.
Not some 40 year old lawsuit allegation or whether some beauty contestant was called fat.
Clinton or Trump...pick one.
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The breakdown in the Middle East matters, unfettered immigration matters, tax reform and economic growth matters, Scalia's replacement matters.
Not some 40 year old lawsuit allegation or whether some beauty contestant was called fat.
Clinton or Trump...pick one.
Integrity, honesty and class are important. Trump's business dealings reflect the kind of president he will be. If he has lied and defrauded in the past, do you really think he will be honest as president?
The "fat" comments matter too. Is he going to call the wives of foreign dignitaries "fat" or "ugly" too? Diplomacy and tact are important qualities in a president. Trump doesn't have either. We have fences to mend with our allies. Trump's inability to keep his mouth shut will leave this country friendless and alone in the world.
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Integrity, honesty and class are important. Trump's business dealings reflect the kind of president he will be. If he has lied and defrauded in the past, do you really think he will be honest as president?
There are only two possible outcomes to this election...Trump or Clinton.
Trump beats Clinton on the question of honesty by a wide margin because the accusations in 40 year old lawsuits are inconsequential compared to the blatant lies told to the family members of the brave souls who died trying to save Ambassador Stevens and the perjury under oath in testimony about handling classified data to Congress and the FBI.
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There are only two possible outcomes to this election...Trump or Clinton.
Trump beats Clinton on the question of honesty by a wide margin because the accusations in 40 year old lawsuits are inconsequential compared to the blatant lies told to the family members of the brave souls who died trying to save Ambassador Stevens and the perjury under oath in testimony about handling classified data to Congress and the FBI.
I'm well aware of Hillary's lies, cheating, treason and, according to a number of conspiracy theories, possible complicity in murder. Yes they are heinous, and given her stints as senator and Secretary of State, she has proven that she is incompetent and not suitable to be President.
However, you have a lot of confidence in Trump's integrity as president despite numerous instances of his lies and fraud in his past. I guess that's where we part ways. Those past instances of his lack of integrity and honesty mean I cannot trust that as president, Trump will suddenly become George Washington or Abe Lincoln and become this honest, forthright statesman. It takes a very special person to repent the past, ask for forgiveness and work hard to become a better person. Trump doesn't have any of that in him.
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There are only two possible outcomes to this election...Trump or Clinton.
Trump beats Clinton on the question of honesty by a wide margin because the accusations in 40 year old lawsuits are inconsequential compared to the blatant lies told to the family members of the brave souls who died trying to save Ambassador Stevens and the perjury under oath in testimony about handling classified data to Congress and the FBI.
There you go again. Forty year old lawsuits? Trump is one of the most incontinent prevaricators in American politics, a considerable achievement considering he's only been (officially) a politician for about a year. Follow that trail back through his business life, just judging by the lawsuits, and you see a syndrome of chronic prevarication, not just a distant event.
So they are both liars. But one of them will piss off foreign heads of state (friend and foe) without even having to put forth effort. People who run their own nations don't tolerate buffoons well. Treat them like Trump treats 'little people' and they will tell you in no uncertain terms what highly improbable acts to engage in with yourself. That could have serious implications, both foreign and domestic.
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He isn't running for president, now. I couldn't vote for him if I want to.
Amazing.....how the flip-floppy Trump camp has changed their tune about Cruz now....lol. Suddenly, Cruz is a ""prize"" that we don't deserve. You just can't make this $hit up....it's too surreal.
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The breakdown in the Middle East matters, unfettered immigration matters, tax reform and economic growth matters, Scalia's replacement matters.
and Trump is no good on any of those issues. He is not trustworthy.
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Those past instances of his lack of integrity and honesty mean I cannot trust that as president,
They are not instances, they are his constant lifestyle
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@Smokin Joe so you prefer Clinton becomes President then...I get it.
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@XenaLee No greater than your isolated #nevertrumps 'hero to zero' reaction to Cruz's support for Trump.
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@Smokin Joe so you prefer Clinton becomes President then...I get it.
No, you don't get it.
You don't get it at all.
The people that you constantly harass for exercising their God-given right to decide how to cast their vote on any given election don't want either Hillary or Trump, so we choose "neither" leaving the rest of the people who created this absurd set of circumstances to pick which evil they best like for the country.
You mistakenly present this as a binary choice, when it isn't, there is always a third choice. I chose no evil over the lesser of the two standing before me.
To me, the most amazing thing is how many Trump supporters buy into this "binary choice" false argument. It's actually rather easy to see through it if one gives it any measure of serious thought, or approaches the question from a logical, intelligent point of view.
And to those reading this, I ask that you not misconstrue my post to make it appear as if I am alluding to a lack of intelligence or education among Trump supporters.
That's simply wrong.
I am not.
P.S. For Trump supporters, to misconstrue means to interpret something incorrectly and to allude means to refer or suggest to something indirectly.
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You mistakenly present this as a binary choice,
Wrong Luis, I correctly presented the election as a binary outcome.
Either Trump or Clinton will become President. (A or B)
#nevertrump is an expression of a preference for Clinton. (not A = B)
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Clinton or Trump...pick one.
As I said, you keep trying to make this a binary choice.
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Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?
Trump or Clinton...pick one
It isn't a binary choice, no matter what you keep saying.
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Wrong Luis, I correctly presented the election as a binary outcome.
Either Trump or Clinton will become President. (A or B)
#nevertrump is an expression of a preference for Clinton. (not A = B)
I don't have to justify my choices to you.
I choose neither.
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Thomas Sowell...'I'm voting against Clinton'.
He gets it.
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Thomas Sowell...'I'm voting against Clinton'.
He gets it.
I'm voting against Clinton AND Trump.
Get it?
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Thomas Sowell...'I'm voting against Clinton'.
He gets it.
Dr. Sowell has the right to his choice. But so do I. I choose neither.
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Thomas Sowell...'I'm voting against Clinton'.
He gets it.
I read a lot of these threads and try to keep my trap shut. (doesn't always work.) and i'm more never cankles than pro trump. But I'm seeing some of these never trump people are going to pull the lever for hillary and not just not vote.they should just move on to D.U .
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I read a lot of these threads and try to keep my trap shut. (doesn't always work.) and i'm more never cankles than pro trump. But I'm seeing some of these never trump people are going to pull the lever for hillary and not just not vote.they should just move on to D.U .
@Blizzardnh
That my Friend is the STUPIDEST thing I've Read today.
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I read a lot of these threads and try to keep my trap shut. (doesn't always work.) and i'm more never cankles than pro trump. But I'm seeing some of these never trump people are going to pull the lever for hillary and not just not vote.they should just move on to D.U .
lol.
I'm not voting for either. I doubt anyone on this site is actually voting for Hillary
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@Smokin Joe so you prefer Clinton becomes President then...I get it.
Oh horseshit, short mud. You ought to know better by now.
I don't want either one of them.
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I read a lot of these threads and try to keep my trap shut. (doesn't always work.) and i'm more never cankles than pro trump. But I'm seeing some of these never trump people are going to pull the lever for hillary and not just not vote.they should just move on to D.U .
Anyone who spends their waking hours attacking Trump and then sweetly claims they're voting their conscience is voting against Trump.
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Anyone who spends their waking hours attacking Trump and then sweetly claims they're voting their conscience is voting against Trump.
Damn right I'm voting against Trump.
Damn right I'm voting against Hillary.
BOTH of them deserve constant attacks on their foolish, dangerous, incoherent, blathering, waffling, Statist ideals and Big Government plans.
I plan to do so vociferously and without relent.
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Anyone who spends their waking hours attacking Trump and then sweetly claims they're voting their conscience is voting against Trump.
That's Brilliant @Longmire, when did you discover that sweet morsel?
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Anyone who spends their waking hours attacking Trump and then sweetly claims they're voting their conscience is voting against Trump.
If you ever post something coherent, please ping me or I'll never believe it happened.
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Anyone who spends their waking hours attacking Trump and then sweetly claims they're voting their conscience is voting against Trump.
Yes, I'm voting against Trump... and Hillary.
But I won't be so sweet about it, if that would help.
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I am voting against both Trump & Hillary on moral grounds.