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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: happyg on October 18, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
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Before Senator-elect Cory Booker comes to Washington, he plans to start the ball rolling on marriage equality in New Jersey by marrying several same-sex couples at 12:01 a.m. Monday, Oct. 21, BuzzFeed has learned.
Multiple advocates in New Jersey confirmed that the Newark mayor who just won election to the Senate on Wednesday plans to conduct weddings in the first floor rotunda of Newark City Hall after the clock strikes midnight.
The only remaining question is whether the New Jersey Supreme Court will issue an order before then putting marriage equality on hold while it considers an appeal of the trial-court decision that led to Booker’s plans.
According to information provided to BuzzFeed, wedding plans are moving forward at this time, with at least 10 couples and their families expected to attend the early Monday morning event.
The wedding planning is going into effect in Newark and other cities around New Jersey late this week as a result of Judge Mary Jacobson’s decision on Sept. 27 requiring that the state allow same-sex couples equal marriage rights. In her ruling, she stated that “ame-sex couples must be allowed to marry in order to obtain equal protection of the law under the New Jersey Constitution.”
In order “[t]o allow the State adequate time to prepare to effectuate this ruling or to pursue appellate remedies,” she wrote, “the court directs that it take effect on October 21, 2013.”
Although Gov. Chris Christie’s administration appealed the ruling and the state Supreme Court took jurisdiction of the appeal, the secondary question of whether Jacobson’s ruling will be put on hold during the appeal has not yet been resolved. Although the state Supreme Court is considering the Christie administration’s appeal of Jacobson’s denial of a request to stay the ruling during the appeal, it has not yet ruled, meaning Jacobson’s ruling is still scheduled to go into effect on Oct. 21.
Officials in Newark and a handful of other jurisdictions — including Asbury Park, Jersey City and Red Bank — have determined that Jacobson’s ruling, absent a stay, means that same-sex couples are allowed to marry beginning Oct. 21 and, as such, they are beginning to accept applications for marriage licenses prior to that date.
Asbury Park administrator Terence Reidy, for example, told the Star Ledger on Thursday that Asbury Park would issue applications on Friday.
The various jurisdictions’ plans are slated to go forward despite an email from a state health department official, reported by the Star Ledger as having been sent to municipal officials, stating that licenses are not to be issued “until you hear from this office that we have the authority to do so.”
Reidy, however, told the Star Ledger, “Absent a legally binding order not to issue these applications, it is our understanding of the law, that we have the right and obligation to begin issuing applications tomorrow. Please be clear, this is not a act of civil disobedience, but rather our interpretation of what the law permits at this time.”
In Newark, the couples being married by Booker are being required to fill out and sign the required marriage license application by 10 a.m. Friday, according to information provided to BuzzFeed. Media coverage, including interviews with the couples, is also being coordinated. The couples, who are invited to bring up to five guests, are being asked to arrive at Newark City Hall an hour prior to the ceremony.
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The only remaining question is whether the New Jersey Supreme Court will issue an order before then putting marriage equality on hold while it considers an appeal of the trial-court decision that led to Booker’s plans.
Actually, my question was "why," but I guess it doesn't matter. **nononono*
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I was going to question whether or not senators had the authority to issue marriage licenses, but then I realized that he hasn't been sworn in yet and is still mayor, which means he still can marry people.
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Booger is scouting for a menage a trois with Dirk and Rod.
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Maybe we should have listened to the Westboro Baptist crowd...
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Maybe we should have listened to the Westboro Baptist crowd...
No, because they would kill homosexuals if they could. God doesn't hate anyone, and we should be like him. The Fred Phelps Cult is the very antithesis of what Jesus preached.
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Maybe we should have listened to the Westboro Baptist crowd...
No, they're as wrong as the extremists on the other end.
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Maybe we should have listened to the Westboro Baptist crowd...
Yeah, pretty much never. They're the Occupy Wall Street of the far right, but thankfully much smaller.
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Maybe we should have listened to the Westboro Baptist crowd...
They're agents provocateurs on the FBI payroll. Their whole mission is twofold: discredit the anti-homosexual position, and provoke people into breaking the law. Hence why they typically target those the American public typically lionizes: military, religious leaders, children, victims of tragedies, and the like. They know the homosexual lobby is notorious for its strong counter-campaigns.
Regardless of whatever Mr. Booker's stance on same-sex marriage is, listening to Westboro is a bad idea, whether you are for or against it.
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No, they're as wrong as the extremists on the other end.
I was pretty sure he was joking when I first read his post. I hope he was.
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No, because they would kill homosexuals if they could. God doesn't hate anyone, and we should be like him. The Fred Phelps Cult is the very antithesis of what Jesus preached.
No they aren't. I watched the video of them on the Russell Brand show.
They were more civilized than the host, the audience and the token gays trotted out to oppose them.
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They're agents provocateurs on the FBI payroll. Their whole mission is twofold: discredit the anti-homosexual position, and provoke people into breaking the law. Hence why they typically target those the American public typically lionizes: military, religious leaders, children, victims of tragedies, and the like. They know the homosexual lobby is notorious for its strong counter-campaigns.
Regardless of whatever Mr. Booker's stance on same-sex marriage is, listening to Westboro is a bad idea, whether you are for or against it.
Yeah maybe they are. But if you listen to what they actually say instead of how the media portrays them, you might get a different opinion. I would say that the 'journalists' reporting what they supposedly say are more likely to be the ones on the FBI/CIA/NWO payroll.
This homosexual crap keeps getting shoved down our throats and it's getting really disgusting.
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Yeah maybe they are. But if you listen to what they actually say instead of how the media portrays them, you might get a different opinion. I would say that the 'journalists' reporting what they supposedly say are more likely to be the ones on the FBI/CIA/NWO payroll.
This homosexual crap keeps getting shoved down our throats and it's getting really disgusting.
How can you support someone who goes all out to protest a dead soldiers death - just to make an issue that had nothing to do with said soldier. Or a dead child's funeral - just because. Sorry.. this suggestion is a non-sequitur.
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How can you support someone who goes all out to protest a dead soldiers death - just to make an issue that had nothing to do with said soldier. Or a dead child's funeral - just because. Sorry.. this suggestion is a non-sequitur.
Did you watch the Russell Brand video?
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Yeah maybe they are. But if you listen to what they actually say instead of how the media portrays them, you might get a different opinion. I would say that the 'journalists' reporting what they supposedly say are more likely to be the ones on the FBI/CIA/NWO payroll.
This homosexual crap keeps getting shoved down our throats and it's getting really disgusting.
We have a heckuva lot more problems than homosexuality. Who is one group of people to tell us homosexuality is the wrath of God? I'm certainly not pro homosexual, but there was more than one commandment given to Moses. I imagine they are all equal in God's eyes. The Westboro crowd might score some points had they given their attention to pedophiles, or murderers, or the other assortment of sins that plague us? Why pick on dead soldiers and children?
I have seen some of the Westboro cult in interviews and found them nauseating. I would much rather spend my time with a homosexual who has hurt no one, than a minute with those hateful, evil people.
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Did you watch the Russell Brand video?
I have watched other interviews with those people. They are disgusting scum - with all due respect.
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I have watched other interviews with those people. They are disgusting scum - with all due respect.
Can you at least link to a video where they were being 'disgusting scum'?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEGLFJ-Nqq4
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Thanks, Happy.
Dan I do not care how "nice" they may have played on a program. You have not answered if you support them targeting military families when they are doing nothing more than burying their son or daughter who was killed in Afghanistan or Iraq.
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Here is the Russell Brand interview mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBA6qlHW8po&feature=player_embedded
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I'm not impressed.
BTW - Russell Brand was caught snorting cocaine while at a kid's soccer game in NYC filming "Get Him To The Greek"... I am not impressed with him, either.
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Hannity and Colmes were the ones calling her crazy, a nut and an abomination. They ask her to respond and then talk over her when she responds. She said nothing like that to them.
Did you listen to what *she* actually said, and not what Hannity and Colmes told you to think about her?
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Hannity and Colmes were the ones calling her crazy, a nut and an abomination. They ask her to respond and then talk over her when she responds. She said nothing like that to them.
Did you listen to what *she* actually said, and not what Hannity and Colmes told you to think about her?
I am against Gay Marriage. I am not against gay people. I have an uncle who is gay and in a very, very long-term relationship. This is between him and God when he meets HIS maker - not for me to judge.
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Dan I do not care how "nice" they may have played on a program. You have not answered if you support them targeting military families when they are doing nothing more than burying their son or daughter who was killed in Afghanistan or Iraq.
I know, nobody does care what they actually say. They would rather listen to what the commenters tell them to think.
Listen to what Ms Phelps actually *says* in the interview that happyg posted. If you can hear it over Hannity and Colmes talking over her.
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I am against Gay Marriage. I am not against gay people. I have an uncle who is gay and in a very, very long-term relationship. This is between him and God when he meets HIS maker - not for me to judge.
And neither is Ms Phelps, if you would listen to what she is saying. She is saying to repent and be obedient to God.
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And neither is Ms Phelps, if you would listen to what she is saying. She is saying to repent and be obedient to God.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=westboro+baptist+church+racism&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=AB8AB4BE065A56F3543006DA91816BE8AAD6C822&selectedIndex=6
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And neither is Ms Phelps, if you would listen to what she is saying. She is saying to repent and be obedient to God.
You do realize they aren't Christian and the 'god' they refer to are themselves. Although they use similar terminology to Christians and do use the Bible, they are actually a cult called known as Tachmonites who have their own scripture divided into two categories: “delectable epics” and “letters to heretics.” The “delectable epics” (the term is the group’s) are based loosely on Acts in the New Testament. The epics detail the Tachmonites’ various protests against gays, President Bush, Elton John concerts, and the military and portray the Tachmonites alternately as invincible “super heroes” and defenseless victims of brutal rage. Some of the epics are in prose, and some in poetry. They believe Phelps is “the last prophet,” with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell and are little gods.
Something interesting also to note is that the Dove World Fellowship group down in Florida who threatened to burn a Koran are friends with Phelps and have marched with him. I haven't looked up their theology, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are from the same mold.
Back in the 50s, Fred Phelps was a member of the Communist Party, has run as a Democrat for office several times, and has campaigned for Al Gore (the latter also has visited with Phelps and endorsed him back in the 80s).
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http://constitutionclub.org/2010/12/11/westboro-the-antithesis-of-christianity/
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I know, nobody does care what they actually say. They would rather listen to what the commenters tell them to think.
Listen to what Ms Phelps actually *says* in the interview that happyg posted. If you can hear it over Hannity and Colmes talking over her.
I heard what she said, and she didn't back anything up. She is not God, and is trying to take His place. Did you notice when asked what her sins were, she shut up and wouldn't answer? Maybe it's because she is full of hatred and sin, herself, but still judges others.
My first cousin is a lesbian. She does a lot for other people, and is a fiscal conservative. She doesn't get into politics about social issues because she is content with her life as it is. Right now, she has a brain tumor, and was told she has 6 months to live. I imagine she will live longer, and hopefully, beat the odds. She's a good person, and I love her as much as I do my sisters. What she does, feels, and how she lives is between her and God.
I don't recall God hating homosexuals, or even Jesus hating them. He is against the sexual acts between them, and believe it or not, not all homosexuals have sex. I don't want in their bedrooms any more than I want them in mine. I am against the homosexual agenda and activists who exploits gays, or gay marriage, but other than that, live and let live.
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I heard what she said, and she didn't back anything up. She is not God, and is trying to take His place. Did you notice when asked what her sins were, she shut up and wouldn't answer? Maybe it's because she is full of hatred and sin, herself, but still judges others.
If you know the Bible, everything that she said was Scriptural.
As for her sins, I believe she said earlier that no one was innocent. It was an attempt at diversion anyway. Hannity didn't want her to keep pounding on him.
My first cousin is a lesbian. She does a lot for other people, and is a fiscal conservative. She doesn't get into politics about social issues because she is content with her life as it is. Right now, she has a brain tumor, and was told she has 6 months to live. I imagine she will live longer, and hopefully, beat the odds. She's a good person, and I love her as much as I do my sisters. What she does, feels, and how she lives is between her and God.
I'm sure you do love her.
I don't recall God hating homosexuals, or even Jesus hating them. He is against the sexual acts between them, and believe it or not, not all homosexuals have sex. I don't want in their bedrooms any more than I want them in mine. I am against the homosexual agenda and activists who exploits gays, or gay marriage, but other than that, live and let live.
Yeah, well that's not what the Bible says. She was giving you what the Bible says straight up. A lot of people don't like that.
Defining someone as 'homosexual' who isn't engaged in homosexual acts is disingenuous. I had to defend a man dying of AIDS once against a group of homosexuals who desperately wanted him to believe that he hadn't changed. They came to him as he was dying to take away his hope in Christ. It didn't work.
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Why the Westboro Baptist Church is a Scam
by El_Camino_SS
|| Scam of the Decade
Fred Phelps does not believe what he is doing. This is a scam.
It's a business. They travel the country, set up websites telling you exactly when they'll be there, and using the most inflammatory statements all over the place, just to get someone to violate their rights for profit. Then they sue the military, the police force that was to protect them, and everyone that is around them for money. This is a sham, and it is a trap to get people sued. Every member of his family is an attorney. Phelps does not break the law. What he does is try to make you break the law by trying to punch your sensibilities about everything you hold dear, and then sue you and everyone municipality around him to the max.
This is a scam.
Whether he believes his posters or not is irrelevant.
He's using this as a moneymaking scheme.
Lay one finger on him, do one thing that violates him, and he will sue you, and more importantly, the city, the police department, the US Military, and any private property owner he happens to be standing on to make money off of it.
Let's look at the ways he's trying to get you up in a tizzy to violate his civil rights for profit:
•He says God Hates bleep, God hates the US Govt., that God hates the US Military, God Hates you, and God justifies the killing of others.
Phelps knows that saying 'God' and 'Hate' in the same sentence gets people worked up. He knows that. He knows that people have a knee jerk reaction to that.
•He says that the US Govt. and the United States are evil.
This is another hot button with people who love their country. It is intentional. It is designed to make you take a swing at him. He wants $50,000 from you. He wants a Powerball winner to swing at him so he gets 100 million dollars. It's that simple.
•He goes after homosexuals, he goes after people who are making sacrifices. Phelps intentionally targets people that are being victimized, or good people doing their jobs to create more outrage. He kicks people when they're down. He does that so someone will come up and defend them. Then he will sue you.
•His boards are laminated on hardwood, because he pulls them out of trucks at least five times a week. He also puts them in bright colors for attention, and makes absolutely sure that you can read them at all time. He's phishing you. Everyone must know that.
The most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.
See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.
Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.
Tell all your friends about this.
This man is a con artist, and he's not a man of religion whatsoever.
After all, he makes everyone around him a lawyer.
That should tell you right now he is not anything.
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How do I know that Fred Phelps is suing people? I can tell you I just have too much experience around him. I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, and work at a television station that works the Ft. Campbell area. As a television photographer and journalist, I have been trained in all of the rules of private property, verbal conversation, what is legal and what is not legal, etc. (what you can and cannot say, what you can get away with). Honestly, in the last few months, I have seen waaay too much of Mr. Phelps and his crew. Since the war began, I believe they think this is the moneymaking source of a lifetime.
So how am I sure? After the third run in, and not one slip, not one piece of paperwork out of line, I knew something was fishy. My newsman skepticism left me with the idea later that something was more phishy than fishy.
I will tell you where I got this truth about Phelps. I looked him in the eye. I saw that he was way too calm and collected for what he looked like in the media. I noticed that he never made personal statements against a person, which is verbal assault, and an out against a lawsuit. Also, for a religious fanatic, a group of people who pride themselves on personal attacks, he was running a protest so terribly by the books that I was impressed by it. He will not bait a person, ever. He will not make personal attacks. He will make blanket statements. He will look at a person in the crowd that he thinks is gay, walk over to his stack of signs, pull out the appropriate, well designed, easily read, laminated bright board, and hold it up and loudly proclaim that "gays are going to hell" or some such nonsense, and make eye contact, but he will never cross the line of telling that person that they're going to hell. That would be the part that would screw up the lawsuit. He just wants to get them after him, but wants to appear utterly blameless for damages.
They run too tight of a ship to slip up, and at that point, I realized that the objective of the group was not anything religious at all. Someone told me along the way that they were all turned into lawyers after he got disbarred. After that, the stench was just too intense for me. He makes money off of this. He does this so much he has everyone around him do the legal legwork so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.
The last time confirmed everything I suspected about them.
A few weeks later, I saw them again (they LOVE to come to big name funerals) and after I saw the laminated signs change for the audience, I knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
His 'crew' isn't a 'church' as you and I would know. The 'church' are more of a motley crew of family members. Some of them are six year old children that are doing what they're told. I have spoken to them, and they have a lawyers sensibility on them on how they speak to the public. They never make personal attacks. They never verbally assault anyone. For a group of people that are accusing damn near every group of people around them for going to hell, wouldn't that seem odd to you? Do you know any religious fanatics that don't make personal attacks? I don't.
They also don't stick around after the cameras roll. They have an itinerary like a semi truck driver. For them to get cleared for all of these press event protests they're doing, then they have to have someone at home doing all of the setup. For you to get the press clearances by the prescribed times? That's a lot of professional legwork. I should know, I've coordinated a newsrooms credentials when the President comes to town, and that's a lot of phone calls and faxes.
They probably file a load of civil rights violation lawsuits. If a police department looks them up and says, "we're denying your protest right," BOOYah. They just got to sue a police department for the very thing that Americans can't stand, rights violation. I am assuming that this is where they get almost all of their money.
See my previous post. Their beliefs are so riddled with inconsistency. The 'real inconsistency' is that every position that contradicts every other of their beliefs is designed to maximize the number of people that they offend. You cannot be saved to them. You are evil in their beliefs, no matter who you are, and God will punish you like the evil gays/soldiers/innocent people/people who love America/people who are black/everyone else we can think of.
Here's the proof. Who in the world makes a poster that says, "Thank God for IEDs" (Improvised Explosive Devices, aka Roadside Bombs). They are saying God is with the terrorists. Then they say God hates you. And homosexuals. Then when they see you looking patriotic with your American flag shirt, they point the sign at you and say, "Americans are going to hell for supporting this country!" and look you in the eye. NOTICE THOUGH, they never say, "You're going to hell." (That would give a judge an out to deny them their claim.)
http://kanewj.com/wbc/ (http://kanewj.com/wbc/)
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No we have posters defending the Westboro kooks. Well, we are looking for a Big Tent GOP, right?
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No we have posters defending the Westboro kooks. Well, we are looking for a Big Tent GOP, right?
Not plural. A poster.
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80 miles south of me on Sunday, these Westboro kooks are going to be at the funeral of a hero.
http://www.kezi.com/soldier-protest-met-with-opposition/
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Not plural. A poster.
You had more outrage over sinkspur than the guy defending the Westboro hatemongers, IMO.
If we're going to ban and suspend people here, how about those defending the indefensible? Westboro is the lowest of lows. Phony Christians being paid by the FBI (allegedly) to discredit the Christian churches in this country.
Front page story in the Portland paper at this point is how this "church" is disrupting a funeral.
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80 miles south of me tomorrow, these Westboro kooks are going to be at the funeral of a hero.
http://www.kezi.com/soldier-protest-met-with-opposition/
Exactly why I said I do not understand how anyone can support these people - no matter what platitudes they throw out on TV.
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Sink got suspended for a few days, not banned, for attacking Myst. It's never a good idea to attack the admin.
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Sink got suspended for a few days, not banned, for attacking Myst. It's never a good idea to attack the admin.
Yes, this is what our leaders tell us all of the time, even when they spit in our own face.
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Yes, this is what our leaders tell us all of the time, even when they spit in our own face.
When has Mystery EVER been anything but nice to YOU or anyone here?
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Back in the 50s, Fred Phelps was a member of the Communist Party, has run as a Democrat for office several times, and has campaigned for Al Gore (the latter also has visited with Phelps and endorsed him back in the 80s).
Another point of minor interest is that Fred Phelps made his money as a lawyer - frequently championing homosexual causes and cases.
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80 miles south of me on Sunday, these Westboro kooks are going to be at the funeral of a hero.
http://www.kezi.com/soldier-protest-met-with-opposition/
From the article:
“That’s not what we tolerate in Corvallis, especially not in our living room, that’s not what this campus is about,” said counter-protest organizer Mo Brethower.
That emotional reaction quickly turned into a community action. Several people–some who don’t even know Patterson–started making plans.
“I started reaching out to other people in Greek like in fraternities and sororities, and the response was overwhelming like yes, I’m going to be there,” said counter-protest organizer Michael Wallace.
Good. Make a human wall to let the family mourn in peace.
Just one thing. Westboro Baptist Scum makes most of it's money now by suing counter demonstrators. If you know or have contact with anyone planning on attending, Carling, can you please emphasize to them to keep it peaceful for the sake of their time and bank balance.
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From the article:
Good. Make a human wall to let the family mourn in peace.
Just one thing. Westboro Baptist Scum makes most of it's money now by suing counter demonstrators. If you know or have contact with anyone planning on attending, Carling, can you please emphasize to them to keep it peaceful for the sake of their time and bank balance.
I read that every one of them are lawyers for the sole purpose of lawsuits. They antagonize their victims into saying things that could be used in suits to extort money. In the past, some have paid to keep from going through the hassle, but have wizened up. Mostly, the cities and towns unite to keep them at bay, or the Patriot Riders interrupt their hatred.
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I read that every one of them are lawyers for the sole purpose of lawsuits. They antagonize their victims into saying things that could be used in suits to extort money. In the past, some have paid to keep from going through the hassle, but have wizened up. Mostly, the cities and towns unite to keep them at bay, or the Patriot Riders interrupt their hatred.
One thing I've always loved is disgust for the Westboro clan has united left and right. When I saw the wall of people around Chris Kyle's funeral at Texas Stadium keeping away the Westboro freaks, you had people from the left, right, and middle standing there together.